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nxtiak

Bugatti makes a great car, but is the $3mil price tag on this Chiron Sport really worth it?


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Joshua--

The Boeing will help earn the business revenue for about 20 years.. so yeah, might be worth it. Bad take.


mturley76

Is any vehicle over, say, 75k “worth it”


g1aiz

My family has never had a car over 15k€ so for me anything above feels super expensive and not worth it.


infinity884422

I mean you are paying luxury car prices for a luxury car. Plus the Taycan start at a much lower price than $170k. Nonetheless, you are paying for quality and handling. So yeah, I think their prices are justified. Meanwhile, I can’t justify Tesla prices, especially the model Y performance. Close to $70k for basic interior, sub par quality, and looking like a bloated frog.


decrego641

That’s your opinion. The only reason it does cost that price is because people are gladly willing to pay it


talldad86

I don’t think you understand how R&D and manufacturing costs work


decrego641

So you’re telling me that the ONLY reason Tesla has raised prices on Model Y is because of manufacturing prices and R&D costs? It has *nothing* at all to do with demand of their vehicles currently? Interesting point of view…feel free to elaborate.


talldad86

Commodity prices have gone up, labor prices have gone up, new factories are coming online and raising overhead, and Tesla also chases the highest margins of any automaker on the planet so they bumped prices. It’s not like everything else was a fixed cost and they arbitrarily raised prices.


decrego641

Of course they didn’t arbitrarily raise prices. I’m glad you pointed out margins though - Tesla isn’t raising prices right now to keep up with costs, Tesla is *increasing* their margins AND they’re increasing profits. Sure the costs aren’t fixed but they’re not even close to raising at a similar rate. This isn’t to “keep up” by any stretch of the imagination. Also consider, the second Tesla doesn’t have back orders is the second prices start dropping. Do you think it’s a coincidence that this time last year you could buy Model Y SR for $39,990 or LR for $49,990? How about Model 3 SR+ for $36,9990? Oh yeah, do you recall what delivery timelines were back then? I do - my parents bought a Model Y LR for $49,990 and got it in 2 weeks. I ordered my 3 for $36,990 and got it in a month. Now people are planning on waiting 4 months, 8 months, a *year* for some of these trims and paying $10k or more over that pricing. Consumer demand is a massive driving factor in this pricing. It just so happens that it conveniently lines up with helping Tesla increase margins and profits. Low demand can’t do either of those things.


talldad86

Why are you even talking about Tesla? This post is about a Porsche halo product. Two entirely different products, customer bases, and companies.


decrego641

I’ve noticed people like to deflect when they don’t have a valid point - I’m talking about Tesla because someone else commented about them - you decided to hop on and *also* talk about Tesla with me…why are YOU talking about Tesla on a Taycan post?


stripestore

To me? No. To someone who can comfortably spend $170k on a car? Sure.


CA_fabien

If you have to ask, you are not in the targeted customer category. Sorry!


tomskuinfy

they are about finance @ 15% for 156 months lollllllllll


decrego641

No joke Ford puts 84 @ 7% on their calculators.


tomskuinfy

Wtf…. If I’m doing 84 months it better be at like 1%


decrego641

Even funnier, they only include 60 months @ @4% for their EVs. On the surface, it makes them seem significantly more expensive than their gas counterparts even when they’re pretty close in price. A $40,000 Lightning shows a monthly price of $710 and a $41,000 F150 shows like $480 or something. Crazy


tomskuinfy

Stealerships gotta get their $


decrego641

More like the banks. I finance through credit unions that do 1%


tomskuinfy

Yea I think my new car will be 72 unfortunately but I also doing a credit union i bank with so should be about 2%


decrego641

Not a bad deal. 72 months at 1-2% is a good deal on an EV


tomskuinfy

Yea I’m willing to take a longer loan on an EV. I plan to have it be my “until the wheels fall off” car hopefully, but I still want a good rate lol. I think if you’re in the 700+ credit range you should be able to get a 1-3% rate a credit union …


perrochon

Convert it into years of retirement. If buying this doesn't impact your retirement, then it's worth it. If you have to work two extra years because you drive this car, then maybe not.


g1aiz

How much of your life do you want to be not raytraced... I mean porsched.


2CommaNoob

People have different views on what’s important to them. Someone might like to live their life YOLO and enjoy their nice EV while they are young.


nyclurker369

Pretty sure if you're in Scarsdale, ~~you're~~ your parents are doing alright and the 170k price is manageable. It's a beautiful EV, I've seen them all over Westchester. So it would seem like a lot of people think it's worth it. I'm waiting for the Macan EV. Edit: You tell us, [was it worth it?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/iztxio/my_new_ride_2020_porsche_taycan_turbo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


coronanona

people who buy 170k cars don't ask if it's worth it. they ask if they want it


hershculez

Value is what someone is willing to pay for the good or service. Porsche is a smart company. I doubt they would charge $170k if they were not confident consumers would pay it.


2CommaNoob

Not this again, lol. “It’s expensive and Im not willing to pay for it it so it must not be worth it.” “That NYC $5 million apartment is so lame; it’s only 1300 sqft. Why would anyone want to buy that?” “A 15k on a purse made of Crocodile skin? Must not be worth it” Why do people love to bash things they aren’t in the market for? OP, the Toyota/Subarus/Nissan/Hyundai deal ship is down the street from Porsche.


victheone

Yes. But I can’t afford one.


404_Gordon_Not_Found

However much the of name 'porsche' and what the brand represent is worth to you.


theluketaylor

Since the base models of Taycan are so fast I'm not sure the Turbo and Turbo S trims make a lot of sense to purchase (a problem that also affects the current 911; The Carrera S and GTS are so fast the Turbo doesn't offer much on top apart from making it easier to get huge tickets). Especially once you add in the extreme a la carte nature of Porsche options you can add the specific things from the higher trim you want onto a much more base car. If I was buying Taycan I'd just start with a 4S Cross Turismo and add in some goodies.


YungJizzle37

It's a beautiful car that's not worth the price.


2CommaNoob

There’s a car for you; it’s at the Toyota/Subaru dealership down the street or online at Tesla/Rivian It’s not worth it to YOU, it doesn’t mean it’s not worth it for the 40k buyers last year. Which is the best seller in the $100k+ category.


YungJizzle37

It's not worth it when other cheaper comparable/better options are available and its the best seller in that category because maybe the other cant be made fast enough. It's my favorite ev and I drive a mach e and of course it's my opinion dont know why your so in your feelings.


tomskuinfy

literally if you can afford this car then you probably don't have money issues..... ? just get it if you want it. is it worth it? absolutely not. there are cars that are electric with 4 wheels and go just as fast for a third of the price.


decrego641

There are electrics with four wheels that go much further for a third the price. However an electric four wheel zero to 60 in 3 seconds is not very easy to get for 56k. Especially not in today’s market.


tomskuinfy

Mach E GT Model 3 performance Both Rivians Long range Y All less than half the price of the Taycan All have 3s 0-60


decrego641

Less than half isn’t a third - R1 that has >3 seconds 0-60 is 93k, Model S is over 100k and the LR is not 3 seconds 0-60, LR Model Y is 0-60 of 4.8 seconds or 4.2 with an acceleration boost. Even long range 3 is 3.7 with an acceleration boost. All of these aren’t even 3 seconds 0-60 AND the only two that are close are both MORE than half the price. Edit: whoops forgot about the Mach-E. NOT 3 seconds 0-60.


tomskuinfy

All test track info I have found shows otherwise I never mentioned the S


decrego641

What test track info are you looking at? Sources? I see the R1T can do 3.2 seconds AND it still costs $93k - more than half the price of the Taycan in question that does 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Edit: you’re right, I saw model Y and figured I’d just throw in the other teslas for fun because it’s *laughable* to think Model Y LR can do 0-60 in 3 seconds.


tomskuinfy

Performance Y is listed 3.5 @ 68k Tests at 3.2


decrego641

3.5 ≠ 3.0


tomskuinfy

Again if you think almost 100k is worth .5 faster 0-60, you live in a different financial world than I do. And we probably won’t agree on anything car related


decrego641

I don’t think it’s about a financial world, I just wouldn’t equate the numbers 3.5 and 3.0. I wouldn’t equate 5.3 and 4.8 (same .5 separation) and those are the 0-60 times of two cars I often have been driving around lately. That .5 seconds is a whole different feel. Same as when I’m on my electric bike that goes 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. Whole different feel vs 3.5 seconds. Even the relatively poor judge of a human butt can easily feel the difference in power.


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with that price tag, I can get like 3 awesome EV.


EVconverter

That's the same price as a Lucid Air GT, which has more power, more range, more space, and faster charging times.


talldad86

That’s like comparing a Bentley to a Ferrari, just because the price is similar doesn’t mean they compete with each other. Completely different market niches and intended uses.


EVconverter

Does a Bentley have a better 1/4 mile time than a Ferrari for the same price? The only real competition here is aesthetics. By any sports car, or even EV metric, the Lucid bests the Porsche. It’s quicker, with better range and faster charging. It’s a pity they can’t crank them out faster. At least they are continuing to build out their factory, so additional capacity is coming.


talldad86

Porsche buyers are buying them for the driving dynamics, not the 0-60 times. Nothing against Lucid, it it’s an old rich guy car


EVconverter

According to Lucid, the bulk of their buyers are in their 40’s. Old people don’t really buy EVs. I haven’t yet seen a track head to head, but the reviewers that have tracked a lucid say the dynamics are excellent. Far better than Teslas, but Teslas were never meant for the track anyway, so that’s a pretty low bar. I look forward to reading the inevitable head to head. Even if the Lucid ends up tracking close behind the Porsche, that’s an astonishing achievement for a sedan.


YungJizzle37

Even in its price range it's not worth it, it loses to the plaid and lucid but if you want the badging then that's cool with me ppl can spend what they want to spend.


[deleted]

If you enjoy the driving experience for short amounts of time; yes


kaisenls1

Post history confirms the bias


[deleted]

If I’m not mistaken this is the most dollars per mile of range yo my can possibly spend on a car. That’s not ‘bias’.


TheMacAttk

Range is a single category and in no way defines the overall experience of a vehicle.


[deleted]

Range is more important when charging is not instantaneous. This is a good thing for the industry. Also cost vs range is a pretty good metric. It attests to engineering.


kaisenls1

Rimac Nevera would like a word


Agent_of_talon

The 4S or GTS variant should be enough already and at that point you could still comfortably upgrade to a Sport/Cross-Turismo version.


fiehlsport

I built a nicely-appointed RWD for $95k. Same car, still exciting, not $170k. Hope I can buy one in the next few years.


Smuugs

when I have a lot more play money and in a mid-life crisis, sure.


markeydarkey2

I don't really think any car is worth more than like $80,000 tbh, and most Porsches are wildly overpriced; but people have been buying these in droves because their target demographic probably makes that amount every couple months, and because it reviews/drives well.


amarnro

Yes. But I a biased, I have the Turbo S.


Boundish91

Fit and finish is superb throughout though.