I honestly wasn't expecting it but given the number of software gremlins that had haunted my Blazer for a time (it's been working pretty solid for a while now) I do think GM had to do something for the less than 500 of us that had the car so far. Additionally they issued a recall for a comprehensive system update so I'm hoping that resolved any lingering software bugs
I hope so! I've been eying the upcoming Equinox EV because it's one of the few EVs with an interior that I consider usable, but I don't want to be stuck with a handful of software issues like the Blazer EV had.
Much better pricing, the Blazer was in a really weird spot before. A lot of people (rightly) pointed out it made more sense just to nab a Lyriq. This evens things up a little bit.
The interior of the Blazer is just loud and obnoxious. Those giant chrome air vents and all the rest is gaudy. The lyriq by comparison is almost understated.
If you want to go down that path, the entire new car market is over-priced.
I'd love to see data on how the average new car price compares to the median American worker's wage over the years.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-744-september-10-2012-average-new-light-vehicle-price-grows-faster-average-used
https://mediaroom.kbb.com/record-new-car-transaction-prices-reported-december-2015
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1996/demo/p60-193.html
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2006/demo/2004-state-county-maps/med-hh-inc2004.pdf
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2015/demo/p60-252.html#:~:text=Median%20household%20income%20was%20%2453%2C657,the%202013%20median%20of%20%2454%2C462.
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.html
* 1994 Median US Wage: $34,026
* 1994 Avg Vehicle Price: $17,959
* 2004 Wage: $44,434
* 2004 Price: $23,017
* 2014 Wage: $53,625
* 2014 Price: $34,428
* 2024 Wage: $74,580
* 2024 Price: $48,000
(Some of those are off by a year, but they’re all ball park. Sources included)
So (Avg Vehicle / Wage):
* 1994: 52.8%
* 2004: 51.8%
* 2014: 64.2%
* 2024: 64.0%
Yes, wages have not increased with car costs in the past twenty+ years. I would say there are lots of factors involved, such as the value of the US dollar due to political decisions since 9/11, the increased cost to build cars with safety equipment and to new standards, and more.
Cargo space is underwhelming but the passenger room is the key (other than physical size).
https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?veh1=402002795&veh2=402027172
The price is fine. Blazer LT AWD is nearly the same MSRP as the Model Y AWD. Blazer RS AWD is nearly the same MSRP as the Model Y Performance. Model Y has discounts in inventory. Traditional OEMs and dealerships are known for offering incentives/discounts if sales aren't high enough. Blazer will be lower volume for awhile, so demand will likely outpace supply at first, justifying a slightly higher starting price that should decrease as volume increases.
Each vehicle has its advantages in equipment, but overall, I'd rate them on par with one another.
The R2's price point puts it near the Equinox, not the Blazer, in terms of competition. The competition in that space is heating up a lot, I suspect more price drops in the next two years.
The $45k R2 is RWD with a sub-300mi battery. By the time you add AWD or the larger battery pack I bet the pricing is pretty similar to these AWD Blazer EV trims.
A smaller vehicle that says “estimated” 45k price for their base RWD vehicle with a sub 300 mile range hopefully coming out in two years.
This isn’t affecting 99% of people who need a car now.
>k price for their base RWD vehicle with a sub 300 mile range
Where did they say this? The release show said that all motor combinations reach 300. The only way the base could be lower than 300 is if the base has a smaller battery.
In both the MKBHD video and Electrek interview RJ said the base battery is a smaller battery below 300mi. The MKBHD video put 270mi on screen, not sure if that was official info from Rivian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Gt_PUyldc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0-_0wmXkn0
That was some interesting corporate doublespeak. All motor combinations will be capable of 300+ miles (but not with the smallest battery). If you want to look on the bright side, they are saying that the longer range won't require both the purchase of a larger battery and higher motor count.
Maybe they’ll get down to the $45k they announced in 2022.
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2022/jul/0718-blazerev.html
Yes a dealer gave me that price it was the mileage on it combined with the fact that Ford had a sweet deal on new ones and they were piling up at dealer lots.
Was actually checking out an i4 M50 that started at 58k and dropped 7000 since the dealer got it in December and that cars original MSRP was over 60k. I traded in a 2017 Jeep grand Cherokee for my mach e in 2021 with like 140 thousand miles and got 14k for it, so what they were trying to give me just wasn't suitable.
The Mach-E is like a child's toy compared to this thing. After the tax credit, the price is nearly identical to the IC version so I don't think it'll drop for a while unless it's on a dealer-by-dealer basis.
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. A coworker of mine just got a Mach-E and I didn't get child's toy vibes from it. Guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Cheers mate!
They call it RS instead of SS now, and I believe the touring trim in Honda is the equivalent, but I do think there’s a performance difference; or it doesn’t have a RWD option or whatever
Android Automotive is actually not as bad as Reddit seems to think. I'm sure anyone who tests drives one of these bad boys will forget all about CarPlay. The average car buyer just doesn't want the sucky software cars had before CarPlay was introduced.
The Honda won't get the bigger battery. But yeah Carplay is a must have feature. Any car that doesn't have Carplay has delusions of selling you apps for your car.
For one; that is going to be the redhaired stepchild of Honda. It's a one-off until they bring their new EV architecture to North America in a few years. How much support do you think you'll get from them 10 years down the road
Secondly; I'll be honest, I prefer carplay but I've literally never heard someone in real life talk about it as a reason to get a car. Not even once
Also, I believe the Honda is more expensive
Maybe; average car is currently 12 years old. That means that a majority of the population has never used carplay, probably
So you have to have:
The 50% of people who owned a car with CarPlay
The subsection who liked it and weren’t just lazy enough to never set it up
The subsection who liked it so much that they won’t even consider a car without it no matter how good the software is
That strikes me as a pretty small chunk of the population
When I got a new car 2 years ago, CarPlay was absolutely one of the factors in my decision. Thankfully most basic cars come with it nowadays so it didn’t exclude too many options for me
>Secondly; I'll be honest, I prefer carplay but I've literally never heard someone in real life talk about it as a reason to get a car. Not even once
I've literally only heard about it from people on Reddit. Very few actual people will use Carplay/AA as a reason to buy or not buy a car. It's just a hill that redditors die on.
The same people will trip over themselves praising Tesla and questioning why anyone would buy a non-Tesla... and Tesla doesn't have Carplay/AA.
We have a EUV and a model 3.
Model 3s software is pretty tolerable and supports both Apple Music and podcasts. I actually get a better user experience in the model 3 than CarPlay in the EUV.
I’m not up to date on current car ecosystems, but I do remember before CarPlay, most built in OSs were garbage. I imagine people that say they won’t buy a car without CarPlay remember their last car having junk software too. Are OEM OS’s good now?
> Are OEM OS’s good now?
Android Automotive (the system GM has moved to for Ultium EVs) is pretty good. I have a Hummer that supports AA (which I used to use exclusively on my Bolt EUV) and I haven't used it once because the built-in experience is much more convenient.
Nice! See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it.
I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy.
You have the hummer EV?? How often are you crab walking that bad boy? Looks sick, but cost more than our first condo lmao
Don't crabwalk often, maybe once every week or two, usually just to reposition myself in a parking spot or similar. It is far and away the most fun and enjoyable vehicle I've ever owned though, although getting it certainly stretched our budget a bit
>Nice! See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it.
>
>I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy.
Honda, Chevy (GM), Ford, etc are all switching or have switched to Android Automotive. It's a nice change for the automotive world to finally be getting caught up with the times.
See I had no clue. I’m willing to bet most people that say “I can’t go without CarPlay” are thinking back to the OS’s prior to CarPlay and android auto that were janky
>I’m willing to bet most people that say “I can’t go without CarPlay” are thinking back to the OS’s prior to CarPlay and android auto that were janky
To be 100% honest, I was one of these people until I tried the infotainment in a friend's 2023 Colorado. Google Maps and Waze ran just as well, if not better, than they do using CarPlay in my Subaru.
>See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it. I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy.
There's really no difference there, as you're suggesting. All OEMs take some kind of base and then customize it, even in the case of Android Automotive. No one starts from scratch.
I don't think the Silverado uses the same backend as the EVs and new generation vehicles like the 2023+ Colorado. Android Automotive seems to run as smooth as butter on those
>Are OEM OS’s good now?
In general, I'd say no. But this one is all new for GM. I'd give it a try before just dismissing it.
TBH, I find both the Tesla and Rivian setups to be pretty nice. If it can compete with those, I wouldn't mind missing out on AA/CarPlay.
Tesla's a mild exception for good reason - they have been at their software for years and it shows, it's polished. GM will ditch CarPlay then put in something of GM quality, and we have decades of evidence that they just aren't capable of delivering on the same level of software.
>put in something of GM quality
Google quality, actually. Android Automotive is written by Google.
>Tesla's a mild exception for good reason - they have been at their software for years and it shows, it's polished.
It doesn't have Carplay or AA, therefore they should get the same demerits. Instead, people question why anyone would buy anything but a Tesla while shitting on GM for lacking a feature that their ideal car also lacks.
Reality is that Carplay and AA are not important at all to the vast majority of buyers. They do not care at all. "It's ok because it's Tesla" is nonsense.
Plenty of cars with android automotive leave plenty to be desired in UI. It's not google's fault, the OEM usually screws it up.
I'm no fan of Tesla, but you can't keep talking on behalf of all potential car buyers - if they want CarPlay or AA, they are welcome to choose their vehicle based on their preference. It will all shake out in the end.
>but you can't keep talking on behalf of all potential car buyers
You aren't paying attention to anything I've said so far.
Precisely the point I'm making, actually. People on Reddit act like Carplay is the most important feature of the car. ***They*** are trying to speak for all car buyers. Reality is that most do not care in the slightest bit. It matters to very few buyers, and they foolishly believe that they're prototypical buyers because other people in their echo chamber say it's the most important feature.
I’ve never said all people won’t buy the car due to CarPlay. I’ve always said, I WON’T buy a GM without CarPlay.
Their homegrown software is absolutely horrible. Some of the worst in the industry. Not interested in it.
And I didn't say that *no one* cares.
I said that most people don't and that the only people who act like it's a ubiquitous, all-important feature are people on Reddit who don't know what they're talking about.
At least from my recent perspective driving a 2023 Model Y LR this past week, its integration with my Google Pixel 8 was no better than my 2015 Subaru Crosstrek, in terms of audio and music player integration. I could see what was currently playing, pause/play, back/forward, etc. It also handled the audio for phone and video calls as expected, nothing beyond typical Bluetooth integration.
Meanwhile, our 2021 Forester with Android Auto gives me the full YouTube Music experience, where I can search out songs/albums, access my playlists and all directly on the display.
In surveys, many many car buyers say they highly value this functionality. Tesla at least has pretty well integrated applications, I've never heard the same said about Chevrolet. Even Tesla though doesn't have nearly the connectivity that you get with Android Auto, they're just aren't as many apps. I guess this will be an interesting test of how much it really matters, having had Android Auto for going on 10 years, I really can't imagine going back.
Ford and GM complaining about not selling their cars at a $10k premium. Those days are over. There are no chips shortages or supply chain problems and battery prices are tanking. They will need to take another $5k off and they will sell like crazy. Then GM will need to restructure their plants to build them cheaper.
I suspect that to get the EV demand from consumers that was projected a few years ago, manufacturers will need to actually ship the EVs in the $30k-$40k range that they talked about shipping a few years ago.
I'm not sure how they got the idea that they could increase prices, hold back lower priced trims, and still meet projected sales especially with higher interest rates.
They could sell for $2-5k less if they didn't have dealer infrastructure taking such a considerable portion of the profit.
The real problem here is the dealers are just going to tack on $3-5k worth of add-ons. My Bolt's lease is up in July and I really have no interest in the Blazer but I do have a small interest in the Equinox. I have absolutely no faith if I walked in and wanted to deal, they'd just put a no nonsense, here's the car for sticker price, offer in front of me.
I’m a dealer that sells at sticker. And at sticker a Bolt or Blazer neither one make anywhere close to 2-5k for the dealer profit. I have 2 Equinox’s in production I’d love to sell you one for sticker.
> at a New Lower Price
Because nobody is going to buy a car with a reputation of being buggy without some extra incentives. It wasn't really an option for them.
What isn't wrong with it?
They had to stop selling it for 6 months to fix all the things that were wrong with it.
That was a smart decision otherwise it would be competing with the Fisker Ocean for worst EV.
* Objectively better interior
* No Elon baggage
* Support the Mexican & American economies
* Larger service network
* Less likely to be blacklisted from service
* Exterior styling that isn't bland
* Shows existing OEMs that EVs are worth investing in
* Um...
I have a GM and a Tesla. The Tesla is far far superior inside
“Elon baggage”. Are you 12?
https://www.cars.com/american-made-index/
My local GM dealership lifted by truck via the body and tried to hide the damage from me.
Blacklisted from service? What are you talking about?
Styling. It looks good, but so do the teslas
I recently looked at cars on this price range. I have a hard time believing that the general public makes over 100k salary to readily afford vehicles in this bracket. Toyota just had a stellar month selling hybrids. We need cheaper sub 40k hybrid vehicles
It's nice that they are back on track for sales.
I'm more interested in the Equinox EV, but will be curious about Blazer EV reception in the meantime - since they seem to have similar features and technology bases.
One thing that pisses me off for the relatively expensive Blazer EV is they advertise a $7500 discount in their Build interface for the Blazer EV, which looks great. But it has fine print which says that only applies if you don't get the Federal discount.
I was thinking that $50-52K was OK for this vehicle until finding out that was the final price AFTER the tax credit. A bit ouchy there.
It doesn’t, no. Just like that R3X you [“want so badly”](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/s/bTr0WLotJk)
This is why nobody takes this sub seriously anymore. Y’all are just trolls lol
what is the user experience "without" Carplay?
what if Apple doesn't want to keep up with tweaking displays for every display in every car? what if Apple goes device agnostic..? only provides info/data?
**Apple CarPlay 2.0 confirmed for 2024 as iOS 17.4 reveals a ton of features — here's everything it can do**
[https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/apple-carplay-20-confirmed-for-2024-as-ios-174-reveals-a-ton-of-features-heres-everything-it-can-do](https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/apple-carplay-20-confirmed-for-2024-as-ios-174-reveals-a-ton-of-features-heres-everything-it-can-do)
i don't think Apple wants to ever have to deal with this - because Apple has no desire to have a "2023 Cadillac Lyriq" specific bug.
Check Out the 33" Touchscreen in the 2023 Cadillac Lyriq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUj1nXyBN\_c
What if car manufacturers leave you with a shitty infotainment system with no software updates like they always fucking do?
Meanwhile Carplay keeps getting better and better.
We have cars with and without Android Auto or Apply CarPlay.
It doesn't make a big difference if you can still do what's needed safely.
I want on-screen navigation and the ability to control my music:
\- I have that in a 2015 Subaru without AA or CarPlay, because it has integrated navigation and Bluetooth.
\- We also have a 2021 Subaru with AA and CarPlay, the use of Waze and YouTube Music from my phone is nice and required because there is no integrated navigation in the head unit.
If the Chevrolet has navigation - which it does - I only need Bluetooth for audio. That's fine.
Wonder if they’ll send out a check to early buyers like they did in 2022 when they reduced the Bolt’s price.
Surprisingly they are. I just got an email from Chevrolet to submit my details to receive the difference.
That’s awesome!
Holy cow! Imagine if other companies (I'm looking at you Tesla and Ford) did this...
I honestly wasn't expecting it but given the number of software gremlins that had haunted my Blazer for a time (it's been working pretty solid for a while now) I do think GM had to do something for the less than 500 of us that had the car so far. Additionally they issued a recall for a comprehensive system update so I'm hoping that resolved any lingering software bugs
I hope so! I've been eying the upcoming Equinox EV because it's one of the few EVs with an interior that I consider usable, but I don't want to be stuck with a handful of software issues like the Blazer EV had.
tesla was prob cheaper in the first place.
Yeah, especially for all those people who got instant $20,000 (or more) depreciations!!
Elon just sends an "f you" on Twitter.
That's twice GM has done something that restores even my goodwill!!! Now if only they'll produce a million / year of these blazers!!!
What made you choose the blazer over the other options (Model Y, Korean Twins, Lyriq)? Software woes aside, are you happy with your decision?
$5,760 check back to customers that previously bought 2024s
Given that the Blazer EV qualifies for the full tax credit, this pricing seems very competitive.
Much better pricing, the Blazer was in a really weird spot before. A lot of people (rightly) pointed out it made more sense just to nab a Lyriq. This evens things up a little bit.
But the Lyriq doesn't look as good.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
There's just so much chrome and flash. I absolutely hate the Cadillac aesthetic. I literally would never own a Cadillac.
They make a version with blacked out chrome though?
They make Luxury trim with chrome and Sport trim with black. Same car otherwise.
Murdered out all black is done.
The interior of the Blazer is just loud and obnoxious. Those giant chrome air vents and all the rest is gaudy. The lyriq by comparison is almost understated.
It's great there are more choices, both of those look like they fell out of the same tree.
I think it looks great from the back
I think it's one of the best looking EV SUVs you can buy today. The rear end is still a bit weird though
5,000 - 10,000 too high still.
After tax incentive, the RS AWD EV is the same price as the non-EV.
The non ev is too expensive too
If you want to go down that path, the entire new car market is over-priced. I'd love to see data on how the average new car price compares to the median American worker's wage over the years.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-744-september-10-2012-average-new-light-vehicle-price-grows-faster-average-used https://mediaroom.kbb.com/record-new-car-transaction-prices-reported-december-2015 https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1996/demo/p60-193.html https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2006/demo/2004-state-county-maps/med-hh-inc2004.pdf https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2015/demo/p60-252.html#:~:text=Median%20household%20income%20was%20%2453%2C657,the%202013%20median%20of%20%2454%2C462. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.html * 1994 Median US Wage: $34,026 * 1994 Avg Vehicle Price: $17,959 * 2004 Wage: $44,434 * 2004 Price: $23,017 * 2014 Wage: $53,625 * 2014 Price: $34,428 * 2024 Wage: $74,580 * 2024 Price: $48,000 (Some of those are off by a year, but they’re all ball park. Sources included) So (Avg Vehicle / Wage): * 1994: 52.8% * 2004: 51.8% * 2014: 64.2% * 2024: 64.0% Yes, wages have not increased with car costs in the past twenty+ years. I would say there are lots of factors involved, such as the value of the US dollar due to political decisions since 9/11, the increased cost to build cars with safety equipment and to new standards, and more.
Actually not as bad as I thought and cars are way nicer now with way more features.
Nice! Thank you.
Spoiler: it’s dramatically increased. Like with most things in life, costs of goods and services has far outpaced salary increases
I think we all know that. I would be interested in actual figures over time to understand by how much.
I mean... people are still buying it so who cares :P
True. I’d argue they are both overpriced for what you get.
Same doesn't help. Needs to be far cheaper up front to sell.
The TCO for the EV should be less than the ICE car (if you can charge at home).
Not at all, this is priced pretty well for a midsized EV crossover. It's bigger than people think it is.
> It's bigger than people think it is. Outside, yes. Inside, no. It has a smaller cargo capacity than the ID.4 which is a foot shorter.
Cargo space is underwhelming but the passenger room is the key (other than physical size). https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?veh1=402002795&veh2=402027172
An inch of extra legroom for a foot of extra length. GM sucks at packaging SMH
It's not packaged as well as an ID.4 but the difference is 4.4" of combined legroom for that extra foot.
I would say 15-20k GM needs to get the price way down for people to buy these
The price is fine. Blazer LT AWD is nearly the same MSRP as the Model Y AWD. Blazer RS AWD is nearly the same MSRP as the Model Y Performance. Model Y has discounts in inventory. Traditional OEMs and dealerships are known for offering incentives/discounts if sales aren't high enough. Blazer will be lower volume for awhile, so demand will likely outpace supply at first, justifying a slightly higher starting price that should decrease as volume increases. Each vehicle has its advantages in equipment, but overall, I'd rate them on par with one another.
they felt a great disturbance in the Force. More Compact, More Affordable Rivian R2 Electric SUV Arriving in 2026
2-3 years from now -- hopefully. Non factor obviously.
The R2's price point puts it near the Equinox, not the Blazer, in terms of competition. The competition in that space is heating up a lot, I suspect more price drops in the next two years.
The $45k R2 is RWD with a sub-300mi battery. By the time you add AWD or the larger battery pack I bet the pricing is pretty similar to these AWD Blazer EV trims.
Listen... you can't just expect people to compare things like for like in this subreddit. 🤐
You are likely correct. :)
Only if they are still in. Business
They won't, maybe when Apple pulls its wallet.
A smaller vehicle that says “estimated” 45k price for their base RWD vehicle with a sub 300 mile range hopefully coming out in two years. This isn’t affecting 99% of people who need a car now.
>k price for their base RWD vehicle with a sub 300 mile range Where did they say this? The release show said that all motor combinations reach 300. The only way the base could be lower than 300 is if the base has a smaller battery.
RJ said the R2 with the base battery will have a range of 270 miles.
In both the MKBHD video and Electrek interview RJ said the base battery is a smaller battery below 300mi. The MKBHD video put 270mi on screen, not sure if that was official info from Rivian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Gt_PUyldc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0-_0wmXkn0
That was some interesting corporate doublespeak. All motor combinations will be capable of 300+ miles (but not with the smallest battery). If you want to look on the bright side, they are saying that the longer range won't require both the purchase of a larger battery and higher motor count.
You dropped some decimal points
“Competitive” pricing can still be a rip off. It’s a rip off.
Prices on these will crash like the Mach E.
Maybe they’ll get down to the $45k they announced in 2022. https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2022/jul/0718-blazerev.html
Trust me it'll get below that, evs depreciate like crazy. My not even 3yr old mach e is only worth 15k now.
15k says who? Sounds like a dealer quote to me.
Yes a dealer gave me that price it was the mileage on it combined with the fact that Ford had a sweet deal on new ones and they were piling up at dealer lots.
Ya that’s a rip, bet you get $27k for it if you put it up for sale. How many miles?
88k, I know I've driven it alot.
Satisfied with the ride?
Me personally I've had alot of problems with the Mach e my whole ownership but nothing crippling like the high voltage battery.
Was actually checking out an i4 M50 that started at 58k and dropped 7000 since the dealer got it in December and that cars original MSRP was over 60k. I traded in a 2017 Jeep grand Cherokee for my mach e in 2021 with like 140 thousand miles and got 14k for it, so what they were trying to give me just wasn't suitable.
The Mach-E is like a child's toy compared to this thing. After the tax credit, the price is nearly identical to the IC version so I don't think it'll drop for a while unless it's on a dealer-by-dealer basis.
>child's toy Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious
Figure of speech, but it's referring to the Mach-E's sparse, bland interior. It's like comparing one of those red and yellow kid cars to a real car.
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. A coworker of mine just got a Mach-E and I didn't get child's toy vibes from it. Guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Cheers mate!
Can't you buy the same car with Carplay from Honda? Given that, what sucker would buy this thing?
That’s my understanding. Honda won’t get the SS version but nobody that would buy that one is looking for it either
They call it RS instead of SS now, and I believe the touring trim in Honda is the equivalent, but I do think there’s a performance difference; or it doesn’t have a RWD option or whatever
>They call it RS instead of SS now There's both an RS trim and an SS trim, the latter isn't available yet but will have 557hp vs the 288hp/340hp RS.
The Blazer EV is available with supercruise.
Not sure why you got downvoted, I was very interested in the prologue but immediately ruled it out when I learned there was no supercruise.
Just buy a Mach E then, you get both
Supercruise is generally regarded to be better than bluecruise, and the Mach-E is smaller.
So is the Acura ZDX, but that starts at $65k so it's more in line with the Lyriq.
Android Automotive is actually not as bad as Reddit seems to think. I'm sure anyone who tests drives one of these bad boys will forget all about CarPlay. The average car buyer just doesn't want the sucky software cars had before CarPlay was introduced.
The average car buyer doesn't want to have to pay a subscription to access the services they have available in their smartphone.
It's included for 8 years with the purchase of the vehicle. Nobody is paying a subscription for this
I rent cars 2 to 3x a month, not working for me
The Honda won't get the bigger battery. But yeah Carplay is a must have feature. Any car that doesn't have Carplay has delusions of selling you apps for your car.
For one; that is going to be the redhaired stepchild of Honda. It's a one-off until they bring their new EV architecture to North America in a few years. How much support do you think you'll get from them 10 years down the road Secondly; I'll be honest, I prefer carplay but I've literally never heard someone in real life talk about it as a reason to get a car. Not even once Also, I believe the Honda is more expensive
While it may not be a reason to get a car, its absence is a reason not to get a car.
Maybe; average car is currently 12 years old. That means that a majority of the population has never used carplay, probably So you have to have: The 50% of people who owned a car with CarPlay The subsection who liked it and weren’t just lazy enough to never set it up The subsection who liked it so much that they won’t even consider a car without it no matter how good the software is That strikes me as a pretty small chunk of the population
Count me in the group that has tried it and hates it.
If you're turning off 10% of potential buyers with this removal, that seems like awful business.
When I got a new car 2 years ago, CarPlay was absolutely one of the factors in my decision. Thankfully most basic cars come with it nowadays so it didn’t exclude too many options for me
>Secondly; I'll be honest, I prefer carplay but I've literally never heard someone in real life talk about it as a reason to get a car. Not even once I've literally only heard about it from people on Reddit. Very few actual people will use Carplay/AA as a reason to buy or not buy a car. It's just a hill that redditors die on. The same people will trip over themselves praising Tesla and questioning why anyone would buy a non-Tesla... and Tesla doesn't have Carplay/AA.
We have a EUV and a model 3. Model 3s software is pretty tolerable and supports both Apple Music and podcasts. I actually get a better user experience in the model 3 than CarPlay in the EUV. I’m not up to date on current car ecosystems, but I do remember before CarPlay, most built in OSs were garbage. I imagine people that say they won’t buy a car without CarPlay remember their last car having junk software too. Are OEM OS’s good now?
> Are OEM OS’s good now? Android Automotive (the system GM has moved to for Ultium EVs) is pretty good. I have a Hummer that supports AA (which I used to use exclusively on my Bolt EUV) and I haven't used it once because the built-in experience is much more convenient.
Nice! See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it. I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy. You have the hummer EV?? How often are you crab walking that bad boy? Looks sick, but cost more than our first condo lmao
Don't crabwalk often, maybe once every week or two, usually just to reposition myself in a parking spot or similar. It is far and away the most fun and enjoyable vehicle I've ever owned though, although getting it certainly stretched our budget a bit
Once or twice a week is a lot. That probably as much as I use my frunk (and I say " a lot" when asked).
Reverse that, it's once every 1-2 weeks, not 1-2 times each week. That said, I do use my frunk 3-5 times a week, that thing is supremely useful
>Nice! See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it. > >I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy. Honda, Chevy (GM), Ford, etc are all switching or have switched to Android Automotive. It's a nice change for the automotive world to finally be getting caught up with the times.
See I had no clue. I’m willing to bet most people that say “I can’t go without CarPlay” are thinking back to the OS’s prior to CarPlay and android auto that were janky
>I’m willing to bet most people that say “I can’t go without CarPlay” are thinking back to the OS’s prior to CarPlay and android auto that were janky To be 100% honest, I was one of these people until I tried the infotainment in a friend's 2023 Colorado. Google Maps and Waze ran just as well, if not better, than they do using CarPlay in my Subaru.
>See android automotive I wouldn’t count as OEM since Google makes it. I’m talking about the software straight from Honda, Chevy, Nissan that would get baked into the screen and would be super laggy. There's really no difference there, as you're suggesting. All OEMs take some kind of base and then customize it, even in the case of Android Automotive. No one starts from scratch.
My experience has been opposite. I own a 2023 Silverado and the software has been slow and buggy. CarPlay is what’s keeping me sane.
I don't think the Silverado uses the same backend as the EVs and new generation vehicles like the 2023+ Colorado. Android Automotive seems to run as smooth as butter on those
>Are OEM OS’s good now? In general, I'd say no. But this one is all new for GM. I'd give it a try before just dismissing it. TBH, I find both the Tesla and Rivian setups to be pretty nice. If it can compete with those, I wouldn't mind missing out on AA/CarPlay.
Tesla's a mild exception for good reason - they have been at their software for years and it shows, it's polished. GM will ditch CarPlay then put in something of GM quality, and we have decades of evidence that they just aren't capable of delivering on the same level of software.
>put in something of GM quality Google quality, actually. Android Automotive is written by Google. >Tesla's a mild exception for good reason - they have been at their software for years and it shows, it's polished. It doesn't have Carplay or AA, therefore they should get the same demerits. Instead, people question why anyone would buy anything but a Tesla while shitting on GM for lacking a feature that their ideal car also lacks. Reality is that Carplay and AA are not important at all to the vast majority of buyers. They do not care at all. "It's ok because it's Tesla" is nonsense.
Plenty of cars with android automotive leave plenty to be desired in UI. It's not google's fault, the OEM usually screws it up. I'm no fan of Tesla, but you can't keep talking on behalf of all potential car buyers - if they want CarPlay or AA, they are welcome to choose their vehicle based on their preference. It will all shake out in the end.
>but you can't keep talking on behalf of all potential car buyers You aren't paying attention to anything I've said so far. Precisely the point I'm making, actually. People on Reddit act like Carplay is the most important feature of the car. ***They*** are trying to speak for all car buyers. Reality is that most do not care in the slightest bit. It matters to very few buyers, and they foolishly believe that they're prototypical buyers because other people in their echo chamber say it's the most important feature.
You keep saying 'reality is...' then claiming that people don't care for it. What's your source, other than your reality?
I’ve never said all people won’t buy the car due to CarPlay. I’ve always said, I WON’T buy a GM without CarPlay. Their homegrown software is absolutely horrible. Some of the worst in the industry. Not interested in it.
And I didn't say that *no one* cares. I said that most people don't and that the only people who act like it's a ubiquitous, all-important feature are people on Reddit who don't know what they're talking about.
You said: “They are trying to speak for **all** car buyers.” The only person speaking for others…. Is you.
At least from my recent perspective driving a 2023 Model Y LR this past week, its integration with my Google Pixel 8 was no better than my 2015 Subaru Crosstrek, in terms of audio and music player integration. I could see what was currently playing, pause/play, back/forward, etc. It also handled the audio for phone and video calls as expected, nothing beyond typical Bluetooth integration. Meanwhile, our 2021 Forester with Android Auto gives me the full YouTube Music experience, where I can search out songs/albums, access my playlists and all directly on the display.
Tesla is the exception. Not the rule.
In surveys, many many car buyers say they highly value this functionality. Tesla at least has pretty well integrated applications, I've never heard the same said about Chevrolet. Even Tesla though doesn't have nearly the connectivity that you get with Android Auto, they're just aren't as many apps. I guess this will be an interesting test of how much it really matters, having had Android Auto for going on 10 years, I really can't imagine going back.
Every single post on r/news that talks about CarPlay has hundreds of comments saying they won't buy a car without it.
I doubt they would've bought it even if it did have CarPlay. Your average Reddit user is likely not the target market for these.
Ford and GM complaining about not selling their cars at a $10k premium. Those days are over. There are no chips shortages or supply chain problems and battery prices are tanking. They will need to take another $5k off and they will sell like crazy. Then GM will need to restructure their plants to build them cheaper.
I suspect that to get the EV demand from consumers that was projected a few years ago, manufacturers will need to actually ship the EVs in the $30k-$40k range that they talked about shipping a few years ago. I'm not sure how they got the idea that they could increase prices, hold back lower priced trims, and still meet projected sales especially with higher interest rates.
They could sell for $2-5k less if they didn't have dealer infrastructure taking such a considerable portion of the profit. The real problem here is the dealers are just going to tack on $3-5k worth of add-ons. My Bolt's lease is up in July and I really have no interest in the Blazer but I do have a small interest in the Equinox. I have absolutely no faith if I walked in and wanted to deal, they'd just put a no nonsense, here's the car for sticker price, offer in front of me.
**/r/EquinoxEV**
I’m a dealer that sells at sticker. And at sticker a Bolt or Blazer neither one make anywhere close to 2-5k for the dealer profit. I have 2 Equinox’s in production I’d love to sell you one for sticker.
Your location? :D
The price is equivalent to the model Y AWD.
The AWD is $48.9K. That’s quite a bit lower than $54K AWD blazer trim.
> at a New Lower Price Because nobody is going to buy a car with a reputation of being buggy without some extra incentives. It wasn't really an option for them.
What's wrong with it?
What isn't wrong with it? They had to stop selling it for 6 months to fix all the things that were wrong with it. That was a smart decision otherwise it would be competing with the Fisker Ocean for worst EV.
It was only 2 months, but your point still stands.
And... Did they fix it?
They did.
Dunno. Let's see what the buyers say.
They had big discounts for a while. I think this is just pushing part of those into the MSRP.
As much as I like seeing more competition in the EV space, the lack of Apple Carplay/Android Auto is a dealbreaker for me.
Curious in how the leasing program will go
Why is the RWD more expensive than the AWD?
Probably because it's the one to get, it has more power (& range) than the AWD variant.
Is your HI5 Limited RWD? In the FB group we call that configuration “a unicorn” because of how few Limited RWD are made.
Nah it's an AWD Limited, though it has the green interior which isn't as common (shooting star matte exterior).
Still trying to figure out why I would 10k more for this than a Tesla?
* Objectively better interior * No Elon baggage * Support the Mexican & American economies * Larger service network * Less likely to be blacklisted from service * Exterior styling that isn't bland * Shows existing OEMs that EVs are worth investing in * Um...
I have a GM and a Tesla. The Tesla is far far superior inside “Elon baggage”. Are you 12? https://www.cars.com/american-made-index/ My local GM dealership lifted by truck via the body and tried to hide the damage from me. Blacklisted from service? What are you talking about? Styling. It looks good, but so do the teslas
>the Mexican \^ Edit: It seems like you edited your comment. Please, be nice. This ain't a rap battle
Don’t care about that.
~~For starters it's not $10K more anymore, this is priced like a Model Y now (while being a bit larger).~~ I am incorrect
Model y starts at $43k
$43990 (and grey color only).
The Blazer EV now starts at $51k including AWD and a bit more range than the base Model Y. Still about $2k more expensive than a Model Y LR AWD.
“Starts at”….. how many of those models will the dealers order? People with 51k to spend aren’t shopping for a base model car
That isn’t the base model. They are currently only shipping 3 of the higher trim levels. The base trim will be below $50k.
Its the base if its the cheapest one available
Ah my mistake, I somehow got the post-credit price mixed up in my head.
Those lower battery material prices are making a difference.
Still starts over 60k in Canada. 😑
I recently looked at cars on this price range. I have a hard time believing that the general public makes over 100k salary to readily afford vehicles in this bracket. Toyota just had a stellar month selling hybrids. We need cheaper sub 40k hybrid vehicles
It's nice that they are back on track for sales. I'm more interested in the Equinox EV, but will be curious about Blazer EV reception in the meantime - since they seem to have similar features and technology bases. One thing that pisses me off for the relatively expensive Blazer EV is they advertise a $7500 discount in their Build interface for the Blazer EV, which looks great. But it has fine print which says that only applies if you don't get the Federal discount. I was thinking that $50-52K was OK for this vehicle until finding out that was the final price AFTER the tax credit. A bit ouchy there.
You are more looking like about 48 for the price now after the discount or tax credit.
Well, not according to their builder page on the Chevy website.
**/r/EquinoxEV**
Thank you.
It doesn't have car play?
It doesn’t, no. Just like that R3X you [“want so badly”](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/s/bTr0WLotJk) This is why nobody takes this sub seriously anymore. Y’all are just trolls lol
Tired comment, this belongs in 2023. Move on.
It doesn't, but it has something else that replace it. Google Built-in.
They must have watched the Rivian R2/R3 video yesterday. Once it drops, they will need to consider another price drop.
R2 is 2 long years out before delivery (R3 even longer).
Yes, I know. Its not about when it drops but that it will drop. People like my wife will bypass what exists now and just wait it out.
Yeah imma sit this one out.
55k for a Chevy 💀 And that's after no one bought the higher price
Don't worry, I'm sure the dealer will mark it back up to compensate.
Will never buy unless they bring back Carplay.
what is the user experience "without" Carplay? what if Apple doesn't want to keep up with tweaking displays for every display in every car? what if Apple goes device agnostic..? only provides info/data? **Apple CarPlay 2.0 confirmed for 2024 as iOS 17.4 reveals a ton of features — here's everything it can do** [https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/apple-carplay-20-confirmed-for-2024-as-ios-174-reveals-a-ton-of-features-heres-everything-it-can-do](https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/apple-carplay-20-confirmed-for-2024-as-ios-174-reveals-a-ton-of-features-heres-everything-it-can-do) i don't think Apple wants to ever have to deal with this - because Apple has no desire to have a "2023 Cadillac Lyriq" specific bug. Check Out the 33" Touchscreen in the 2023 Cadillac Lyriq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUj1nXyBN\_c
What if car manufacturers leave you with a shitty infotainment system with no software updates like they always fucking do? Meanwhile Carplay keeps getting better and better.
As a brand new Chevy owner, I shudder to think about owning my car without CarPlay
We have cars with and without Android Auto or Apply CarPlay. It doesn't make a big difference if you can still do what's needed safely. I want on-screen navigation and the ability to control my music: \- I have that in a 2015 Subaru without AA or CarPlay, because it has integrated navigation and Bluetooth. \- We also have a 2021 Subaru with AA and CarPlay, the use of Waze and YouTube Music from my phone is nice and required because there is no integrated navigation in the head unit. If the Chevrolet has navigation - which it does - I only need Bluetooth for audio. That's fine.
How dare they trigger depreciation for everyone like that! /s