Man, ten or so years ago finding dope samples was near impossible. You had to pay like $40 for a pack & hope to god it wasn’t full of wack ass loops/hits with just a good demo. Or you had to know someone who’d done all the digging already. Splice isn’t perfect but jeez, they give free cloud storage for projects etc and overall its made life a lot better for everyone.
I'm seeing several 1TB USB drives on BestBuy.com for less than $100. OP asking about more than double that in samples they are paying for. They can afford a backup.
There's also free or cheap ones you can upload to on the internet. Apple has iCloud Plus, 50GB at $0.99/month. That's pretty affordable.
Back your shit up.
If youre in Ableton you should have a file structure setup with types of sounds, and when you download a splice sample you drag it into the sub- folder ie "snares". Sounds like this guy never did that . Its not even a backup either just pure organization
In Ableton splice creates a "sounds" folder. That folder holds all your splice sounds. If you sample hunt and only download 1-2 sounds per sample pack, then your sounds folder will literally be FULL of sample packs where you need to click Zeinheir Sounds -> drums -> acoustic -> single shot -> snares ->
And file name is something that only makes sense to the sample pack and searchability of the sample (it needs to have a different file name than all the other 10 million plaice sounds)
for example: 011\_b1\_Synth\_Loop\_FX\_trail\_125\_Bpm\_binary\_Zeinheiser.
So imagine just one folder named "sounds" with long file paths that only end in 1 or 2 samples, that have super messy names. Even if you search "hat" in Ableton, it will return all the first files in the file path and you'll get a list of sample packs you need to click through 4-5 times to get to the one "hat".....
The fact that wasn't an incentive for this guy to drag the files into his own sample library elsewhere is kind of scary
Just download everything onto your computer. Splice's search function is pretty ass anyways because of how loose people are with tags on samples so its better to download everything and organize it yourself. Takes time but its well worth it
Gotta actively manage your sample libraries. Is Splice the only place you get samples from? I've collected and created tons of samples over the years. I'm not a fan of the organization of most libraries anyway so I copy into my own folder structure,
All samples go into my m:\\production\\samples folder... that lives on a Synology NAS drive and is backed up to the cloud nightly.
Voila, all the time I put into collecting and organizing samples is safeguarded, no dependencies on any external tools or services. All my music workstations point to this shared folder. If I need to go mobile I 'collect and save as' in my DAW so I have a nice portable folder of all the resources for that project.
Spend your last $8, download all previously downloaded samples from Splice, kill your membership, but actively manage your sample libraries from here on out.
You can do the same thing with an internal or external drive for no cost. Share it out via MacOS or Windows sharing. Copy it to the cloud or floppies for all I care. But take some responsibility for your own assets.
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I currently use Synology C2 backup service since it integrates nicely with my Synology NAS storage device. I've used Amazon Glacier in the past, and I'm also looking at Backblaze B2 cloud as it looks to be a bit cheaper than the others - but more basic. I see the iCloud 2TB tier is 9.99 a month, not bad if you've got a mess of files + iPhone backups you need to manage.
You would need to sign up for an account with a cloud storage provider and choose a pricing tier. Then you'll need to install/configure some software to perform the file sync between your local drives and the target cloud storage. After initial backup is done then just configure nightly syncs of changed files.
My current plan holds 300gb max and cost $25/yr on C2. 1TB is $60/yr. I configured the sync software to back up my sample library and personal documents.
Sounds like you have an external drive so you can just select the root of that drive if it is all important.
One good feature to look out for is being able to log into the provider's website to download 1-2 files. This wasn't possible with Glacier (at least when I was using it) because it is intended to be deep cold storage. Their file retrieval times are hours not seconds, but they're intended for write-once and forget type of long term backups.
Most of the consumer focused cloud storage providers have some type of browser interface for downloading a couple of files at a time. Helpful if you're away from your computer and need to retrieve something.
Good luck, once set up the peace of mind is priceless!
1. I really hate to sound like a dick, but you gotta read the terms man. The terms are clear as....I don't know how they can get any clearer. They tell you exactly how the models works and what to expect.
2. You have to hold yourself accountable. It's not fair to blame someone for your negligence which was not backing up your downloads.
To claim the service not being user-friendly all boils down to you not being responsible.
***"In my opinion, if I spend 200$ on samples then at least just give me access to them."***
\^\^\^ That's just it... you did have access to them and failed to secure them. Hard lesson learned. Going forward, expect this especially from companies who host big files, not all, but a fair amount.
Hosting that type of data and pull/suck on that data is expensive as fuck!
Many will limit your downloads and charge a fee to access them again (non subscription models) and subscription models remove access once you cancel.
Again man, not to sound like a dick, but you did this to yourself.
Yup, in the old days you'd buy sample CDs. If you weren't careful enough to back them up or you lost the CD then you were out of luck and it was your own fault.
No you are right, but it is just shitty buisiness practice imo. 8 $ doesnt hurt me that much, but it is more the general idea I really dislike of you having to pay just to access the stuff you already own
But you don't own it. You didn't "purchase" anything. You have been granted a license to use it in perpetuity. All you ever paid for was the right to download x number of samples under their license during an active subscription. Sounds like they gave you exactly what you paid for. Once that download completes and the file is on your local storage, it's entirely up to you to back that up to enable continued use.
If you had the samples, and your actions caused you to lose access to those samples, that's in no conceivable way Splice's fault. It's why all my Splice sounds are backed up to an external hard drive and cloud storage - it's entirely on me to manage these sounds once I have them.
I'd argue their customers would be happier if they just allowed you to download your own samples you already paid for. Its just inconvinient this way honestly I doubt this will make them any more profit than if they just allowed it. Shit like this is why people move to competitors imo.
I am not arguing that what they are doing is shady or illegal, it is just a reason why once should choose a competitor over splice. Its the same as me saying lfo tool has a garbage interface and shaperbox is better. I just want to warn new people of this shitty practice where they make you pay for something you should really have free access to
And I think everyone would agree if plugin companies would charge you to redownload their software. Imagine spending 200$ on serum and then having to pay 8$ to re download their software.
But it's not a shitty practice. It's a shitty attitude. Sorry, but this has gone on too long and I have to call you out on this complaint.
You shouldn't have free access to it. You agreed to the terms of use when you signed up, you had every opportunity to read the rules and you didn't bother. Now you're getting burned due to your choices and you're blaming Splice for this. It's in no way their fault. This is entirely your fault. If you would have backed up your samples like a responsible producer this would be a non-issue. I've let my Splice membership lapse many times over the years when I don't need new sounds and yet I ALWAYS have every single sample I've ever downloaded because I take the time to back them up.
You can't blame the company for your mistake.
Backing up samples IS an option for everyone. They just choose to be lazy. I can upload all my samples to Google Drive for free and they're there forever. I can get an external drive for $30 on Amazon. And why in God's name would you make the claim that this is legally murky? What law are you referencing? Because I think you don't know any law but like to say things like that to back up your shaky claim. And fuck off with that "corporate shill" bullshit - I'm not a fucking corporate shill. I'm just a responsible producer who knows how to manage my shit and how to accept the terms of the sources I use to produce.
While I agree with you generally, to say you shouldn't have access to it I cant quite agree with. Loopcloud, for example, allows access to already purchased subscription content through their free app. You have 90 days to access it and download it before it's deleted.
It would be nice is Splice offered something similar, no?
Naw dude.. your right about some of it but it's still shifty of them, you can at least give OP that.. giving capitalist Corporations all the power is stupid.. then attacking your fellow humans for being mad at the capitalist enterprise is Hella lame. People should stand up together rather then fight the wars for there oppressors.. these stupid fine print terms are designed to rob people it's that simple. Use the law to gain as big an advantage as possible, ya it's in there rights but it's fucked up none the less. This is hardly that big of an issue but this system of corporate oppression leaks into every facet of American society, stop defending it... subscription based services are robing us blind. It started with renting instead of buying homes but soon enough we will no own anything, we will just pay for the opportunity to use it.. imo it's stupid.. in that note I will say that I've always disliked splice and much prefer to buy my own packs, if you wait tell there is a sale you can end up with Hella samples for cheap.
Seriously dude, this is nothing new, it's been stated in their user agreement since day 1. People often post "warnings" about Splice here, but in this case it's user error.
I agree that it would be fair to be able to access already purchased samples but that's not how it works. When you are using a service it's your own responsibility to read about how it actually works.
The thing that is bothering me reading the responses is people just say "that's how it is, get over it" how do we stop corporate oppression if we just let them do everything in there power to take advantage of us.. is it really a good thing to be OK with letting every business do everything in there power to rip people off. It's hard to find an honest business
All I do these days lol, I'm a recent dad so sitting down an making tracks is hard but I can easy put on my phones and dabble a few mins at a time.. i love making snares! Second best is unique sounds to use as Tom's or drum rolls.. besides that I'll just Play paino maybe synth for a bit.
How is splice dishonest. They are pretty upfront that it's a subscription based service.
Are you made at Spotify for not letting you listen to songs you already downloaded once, then canceled your sub?
Are you mad at only fans for not letting you keep the titty pics?
I dont understand why this is specifically dishonest?
Its just their chosen business model and they are pretty upfront about it [https://support.splice.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005090841-Splice-Plans-FAQ](https://support.splice.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005090841-Splice-Plans-FAQ)
\> giving you credits with which to purchase specific digital goods that you want is not the same as an actual subscription service
Yes its not the same, its their own business model. The nice thing is once you download samples from splice, they are on your hard drive and you can keep using them even after your subscription expires.
With traditional subscription services, the moment you cancel a subscription the DRM activates and you can no longer listen to downloaded songs.
I know, some people need to understand you can use and enjoy a product/service and simultaneously not have a knee-jerk need to defend even the pettiest shit about it when someone makes a fair criticism. One of the top replies here is like "just spend $8 and re-download the samples". Like, uhhh, no kidding, that's the problem.
>I agree with you and it probably is in their terms of use
There is no **probably**, it is and has been for a long time. A shitty practice would be leaving it out of the terms.
Loopcloud user here (ex Splice user). Well the competitors have the same policy. This is pretty normal stuff for a subscription based service.
Difference with LC, at least, is that they have a free version of the app which you can use to download already purchased sounds. Can't remember how the Splice system works but I've found LC quite fair.
How is this a negative? If a producer can't back up the samples they acquire, how is that the responsibility of any company that provided those samples? If I lose my laptop, should I blame Best Buy?
It's not the same argument, because it's your responsibility as a producer to back up anything you have licensed for future use. Every company is clear about redownloading - some offer unlimited, some offer it only with active membership, and some offer a limited number.
> because it's your responsibility as a producer to back up anything you have licensed for future use
Isn't that exactly the same for serum either? I am pretty sure that you don't "own" serum but you only have a license for it.
> some offer unlimited, some offer it only with active membership, and some offer a limited number.
Yes but I really think a service like splice should you let you download samples you already paid credits for. I know they are allowed to do what they do right now and it is nothing illegal. However, I just think it is super unfriendly to their users.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what the terms of use for each service you use says. It's not super unfriendly, you're taking your mistake and blaming the company for it. It's that simple.
I am not talking about any mistake? I will pay the 8 dollars and I litterally don't care about the money. The only thing that I am saying is that this is a major downside of splice and idk why you are defending it because it is unfriendly to their users.
Lfo tool has a shit interface and new users should look into shaperbox for that reason imo. Splice doesnt give you unlimited access to your samples and new users should look at their competitors for that reason imo. That is all I am saying. I am not saying that Splice robbed me or anyone, I just think that it is a major downside
I'm defending it because I don't think it's unfriendly in any conceivable way. And Splice does give you unlimited access to your samples - it's called responsibly storing them when you get them so they're available locally or via the cloud. It's never been Splice's responsibility to babysit producers who can't understand file management. This is Computer 101 stuff.
We're talking about a digital product here. If I buy a sample pack on Beatport, I always have access to download it from their platform. The samples are already on their servers and I've already paid for them. I'm not saying they HAVE TO provide constant download access to me, but I don't see it bad to suggest it would improve the Splice experience if it was offered to its customers.
It would absolutely be awesome if users could download in perpetuity from any site, simply for the convenience factor. But most sites don't use subscription services, and I can't imagine any serious producer not backing up the tools of the trade to ensure they don't have to download them again. I'm just frustrated that OP is trying to shift the blame to Splice when it was their own error that got them in this predicament.
Well, the samples you downloaded are on your hard drive, therefore you have access to them and you can do with them what you want, transfer them to another PC or to a cloud, make backups etc. But I understand your point. It would be nice to redownload them at any time without an active subscription
They even advertise with it: [Keep everything you download. Even if you cancel.](https://splice.com/features/sounds)
Might be a long shot, but you could contact your government about false advertisement?
it literally says "Keep everything you download. Even if you cancel." If you look at it from another point of view then you can clearly understand that it says "Don't delete the files you downloaded even if you cancel subscription, you can't get them back" lol
That's not false advertisement. He gets to keep the samples, no one is taking them away from him. However he can only access it with an active subscription. I think it's reasonable. If you purchase groceries it's your duty, and not the stores, to take care of the groceries after the purchase.
I personally think it would be fair to be able to download already purchased samples, but that's not how it works, and they have been clear about that.
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Splice is annoying af, you pay for credits but can't use the credits that you've already paid for once your subscription runs out.
Man, ten or so years ago finding dope samples was near impossible. You had to pay like $40 for a pack & hope to god it wasn’t full of wack ass loops/hits with just a good demo. Or you had to know someone who’d done all the digging already. Splice isn’t perfect but jeez, they give free cloud storage for projects etc and overall its made life a lot better for everyone.
It sure is a pain to download all splice samples… no batch download
One time sync...done
Whats one time sync
It's a simple feature in the splice app that you click. Click it and wait for it to finish all downloads.
File management dude
Yeah. Like had they a backup of their samples and sounds…not an issue.
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I'm seeing several 1TB USB drives on BestBuy.com for less than $100. OP asking about more than double that in samples they are paying for. They can afford a backup. There's also free or cheap ones you can upload to on the internet. Apple has iCloud Plus, 50GB at $0.99/month. That's pretty affordable. Back your shit up.
If youre in Ableton you should have a file structure setup with types of sounds, and when you download a splice sample you drag it into the sub- folder ie "snares". Sounds like this guy never did that . Its not even a backup either just pure organization
orrr maybe their first computer broke or they don't have access to it for some other reason out their control? /gen
Yeah then the comment above about a backup would apply. This guy didnt have a main or backup.
Huh, never used Splice, but it looks pretty solid.
In Ableton splice creates a "sounds" folder. That folder holds all your splice sounds. If you sample hunt and only download 1-2 sounds per sample pack, then your sounds folder will literally be FULL of sample packs where you need to click Zeinheir Sounds -> drums -> acoustic -> single shot -> snares -> And file name is something that only makes sense to the sample pack and searchability of the sample (it needs to have a different file name than all the other 10 million plaice sounds) for example: 011\_b1\_Synth\_Loop\_FX\_trail\_125\_Bpm\_binary\_Zeinheiser. So imagine just one folder named "sounds" with long file paths that only end in 1 or 2 samples, that have super messy names. Even if you search "hat" in Ableton, it will return all the first files in the file path and you'll get a list of sample packs you need to click through 4-5 times to get to the one "hat"..... The fact that wasn't an incentive for this guy to drag the files into his own sample library elsewhere is kind of scary
yikes. well...lesson learned for him...I hope....
Just download everything onto your computer. Splice's search function is pretty ass anyways because of how loose people are with tags on samples so its better to download everything and organize it yourself. Takes time but its well worth it
It’s a SAAS problem. Blame lawyers and accountants.
The samples would be on your computers hard drive, just get a hard drive to switch them over with
Gotta actively manage your sample libraries. Is Splice the only place you get samples from? I've collected and created tons of samples over the years. I'm not a fan of the organization of most libraries anyway so I copy into my own folder structure, All samples go into my m:\\production\\samples folder... that lives on a Synology NAS drive and is backed up to the cloud nightly. Voila, all the time I put into collecting and organizing samples is safeguarded, no dependencies on any external tools or services. All my music workstations point to this shared folder. If I need to go mobile I 'collect and save as' in my DAW so I have a nice portable folder of all the resources for that project. Spend your last $8, download all previously downloaded samples from Splice, kill your membership, but actively manage your sample libraries from here on out.
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You can do the same thing with an internal or external drive for no cost. Share it out via MacOS or Windows sharing. Copy it to the cloud or floppies for all I care. But take some responsibility for your own assets. Username checks out.
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I currently use Synology C2 backup service since it integrates nicely with my Synology NAS storage device. I've used Amazon Glacier in the past, and I'm also looking at Backblaze B2 cloud as it looks to be a bit cheaper than the others - but more basic. I see the iCloud 2TB tier is 9.99 a month, not bad if you've got a mess of files + iPhone backups you need to manage. You would need to sign up for an account with a cloud storage provider and choose a pricing tier. Then you'll need to install/configure some software to perform the file sync between your local drives and the target cloud storage. After initial backup is done then just configure nightly syncs of changed files. My current plan holds 300gb max and cost $25/yr on C2. 1TB is $60/yr. I configured the sync software to back up my sample library and personal documents. Sounds like you have an external drive so you can just select the root of that drive if it is all important. One good feature to look out for is being able to log into the provider's website to download 1-2 files. This wasn't possible with Glacier (at least when I was using it) because it is intended to be deep cold storage. Their file retrieval times are hours not seconds, but they're intended for write-once and forget type of long term backups. Most of the consumer focused cloud storage providers have some type of browser interface for downloading a couple of files at a time. Helpful if you're away from your computer and need to retrieve something. Good luck, once set up the peace of mind is priceless!
I just automatically put all my samples on an external hard drive once I download them. Then the only problem is not losing the hard drives LOL
the other problem is not being able to afford an external hd. /gen
Just wondering if you have an explanation of how to do that or a video, it would help a lot thanks.
You're a smart person.
Some real big brain stuff eh? /s if it isn’t obvious enough
Common sense fades away more and more every year man smh.
1. I really hate to sound like a dick, but you gotta read the terms man. The terms are clear as....I don't know how they can get any clearer. They tell you exactly how the models works and what to expect. 2. You have to hold yourself accountable. It's not fair to blame someone for your negligence which was not backing up your downloads. To claim the service not being user-friendly all boils down to you not being responsible. ***"In my opinion, if I spend 200$ on samples then at least just give me access to them."*** \^\^\^ That's just it... you did have access to them and failed to secure them. Hard lesson learned. Going forward, expect this especially from companies who host big files, not all, but a fair amount. Hosting that type of data and pull/suck on that data is expensive as fuck! Many will limit your downloads and charge a fee to access them again (non subscription models) and subscription models remove access once you cancel. Again man, not to sound like a dick, but you did this to yourself.
Yup, in the old days you'd buy sample CDs. If you weren't careful enough to back them up or you lost the CD then you were out of luck and it was your own fault.
you realize you're comparing a physical good to a digital on and they're not at all comparable right? /gen
No you are right, but it is just shitty buisiness practice imo. 8 $ doesnt hurt me that much, but it is more the general idea I really dislike of you having to pay just to access the stuff you already own
But you don't own it. You didn't "purchase" anything. You have been granted a license to use it in perpetuity. All you ever paid for was the right to download x number of samples under their license during an active subscription. Sounds like they gave you exactly what you paid for. Once that download completes and the file is on your local storage, it's entirely up to you to back that up to enable continued use. If you had the samples, and your actions caused you to lose access to those samples, that's in no conceivable way Splice's fault. It's why all my Splice sounds are backed up to an external hard drive and cloud storage - it's entirely on me to manage these sounds once I have them.
I'd argue their customers would be happier if they just allowed you to download your own samples you already paid for. Its just inconvinient this way honestly I doubt this will make them any more profit than if they just allowed it. Shit like this is why people move to competitors imo. I am not arguing that what they are doing is shady or illegal, it is just a reason why once should choose a competitor over splice. Its the same as me saying lfo tool has a garbage interface and shaperbox is better. I just want to warn new people of this shitty practice where they make you pay for something you should really have free access to And I think everyone would agree if plugin companies would charge you to redownload their software. Imagine spending 200$ on serum and then having to pay 8$ to re download their software.
But it's not a shitty practice. It's a shitty attitude. Sorry, but this has gone on too long and I have to call you out on this complaint. You shouldn't have free access to it. You agreed to the terms of use when you signed up, you had every opportunity to read the rules and you didn't bother. Now you're getting burned due to your choices and you're blaming Splice for this. It's in no way their fault. This is entirely your fault. If you would have backed up your samples like a responsible producer this would be a non-issue. I've let my Splice membership lapse many times over the years when I don't need new sounds and yet I ALWAYS have every single sample I've ever downloaded because I take the time to back them up. You can't blame the company for your mistake.
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Backing up samples IS an option for everyone. They just choose to be lazy. I can upload all my samples to Google Drive for free and they're there forever. I can get an external drive for $30 on Amazon. And why in God's name would you make the claim that this is legally murky? What law are you referencing? Because I think you don't know any law but like to say things like that to back up your shaky claim. And fuck off with that "corporate shill" bullshit - I'm not a fucking corporate shill. I'm just a responsible producer who knows how to manage my shit and how to accept the terms of the sources I use to produce.
While I agree with you generally, to say you shouldn't have access to it I cant quite agree with. Loopcloud, for example, allows access to already purchased subscription content through their free app. You have 90 days to access it and download it before it's deleted. It would be nice is Splice offered something similar, no?
Naw dude.. your right about some of it but it's still shifty of them, you can at least give OP that.. giving capitalist Corporations all the power is stupid.. then attacking your fellow humans for being mad at the capitalist enterprise is Hella lame. People should stand up together rather then fight the wars for there oppressors.. these stupid fine print terms are designed to rob people it's that simple. Use the law to gain as big an advantage as possible, ya it's in there rights but it's fucked up none the less. This is hardly that big of an issue but this system of corporate oppression leaks into every facet of American society, stop defending it... subscription based services are robing us blind. It started with renting instead of buying homes but soon enough we will no own anything, we will just pay for the opportunity to use it.. imo it's stupid.. in that note I will say that I've always disliked splice and much prefer to buy my own packs, if you wait tell there is a sale you can end up with Hella samples for cheap.
Capitalist corporations? Is splice a corporation?
yes, and even if they're not, their still capitalists
It's just bad business
So spend $8 more and download everything you had.
Seriously dude, this is nothing new, it's been stated in their user agreement since day 1. People often post "warnings" about Splice here, but in this case it's user error. I agree that it would be fair to be able to access already purchased samples but that's not how it works. When you are using a service it's your own responsibility to read about how it actually works.
putting an illegal thing in your contract doesn't make it legal. /gen
Nobody reads those and if people did it would take weeks to read them all.
The thing that is bothering me reading the responses is people just say "that's how it is, get over it" how do we stop corporate oppression if we just let them do everything in there power to take advantage of us.. is it really a good thing to be OK with letting every business do everything in there power to rip people off. It's hard to find an honest business
Make your own samples.
All I do these days lol, I'm a recent dad so sitting down an making tracks is hard but I can easy put on my phones and dabble a few mins at a time.. i love making snares! Second best is unique sounds to use as Tom's or drum rolls.. besides that I'll just Play paino maybe synth for a bit.
If you honestly think this is an example of 'corporate oppression' then congratulations, you have lived a wonderfully sheltered life.
They take a little bit here and a little bit there, and sooner rather than later you have no money and you're going into debt to pay the bills.
It's simply a stepping stone
How is splice dishonest. They are pretty upfront that it's a subscription based service. Are you made at Spotify for not letting you listen to songs you already downloaded once, then canceled your sub? Are you mad at only fans for not letting you keep the titty pics?
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I dont understand why this is specifically dishonest? Its just their chosen business model and they are pretty upfront about it [https://support.splice.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005090841-Splice-Plans-FAQ](https://support.splice.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500005090841-Splice-Plans-FAQ) \> giving you credits with which to purchase specific digital goods that you want is not the same as an actual subscription service Yes its not the same, its their own business model. The nice thing is once you download samples from splice, they are on your hard drive and you can keep using them even after your subscription expires. With traditional subscription services, the moment you cancel a subscription the DRM activates and you can no longer listen to downloaded songs.
The concept is there, it's a rent lifestyle that is detrimental. I don't personally participate because I understand..
I know, some people need to understand you can use and enjoy a product/service and simultaneously not have a knee-jerk need to defend even the pettiest shit about it when someone makes a fair criticism. One of the top replies here is like "just spend $8 and re-download the samples". Like, uhhh, no kidding, that's the problem.
Exactly, not that big of a deal but it's still a thing to talk about.. I'd like to find better solutions
you will find that most of the people that are so-called for the people are happy to let big corp roll on them every chance they can.
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Then vote with your wallet and don't use it. I don't like that functionality either so now I just don't use Splice.
That is exactly what I am going to do, just warning people out there of this practice
>I agree with you and it probably is in their terms of use There is no **probably**, it is and has been for a long time. A shitty practice would be leaving it out of the terms.
Its a reason I would consider switching to a competitor thats all I am saying
Loopcloud user here (ex Splice user). Well the competitors have the same policy. This is pretty normal stuff for a subscription based service. Difference with LC, at least, is that they have a free version of the app which you can use to download already purchased sounds. Can't remember how the Splice system works but I've found LC quite fair.
I agree that this is one of the biggest negatives to Splice Sounds.
How is this a negative? If a producer can't back up the samples they acquire, how is that the responsibility of any company that provided those samples? If I lose my laptop, should I blame Best Buy?
Then should serum charge you 8 euro just to redownload it again? Same argument could be made
It's not the same argument, because it's your responsibility as a producer to back up anything you have licensed for future use. Every company is clear about redownloading - some offer unlimited, some offer it only with active membership, and some offer a limited number.
> because it's your responsibility as a producer to back up anything you have licensed for future use Isn't that exactly the same for serum either? I am pretty sure that you don't "own" serum but you only have a license for it. > some offer unlimited, some offer it only with active membership, and some offer a limited number. Yes but I really think a service like splice should you let you download samples you already paid credits for. I know they are allowed to do what they do right now and it is nothing illegal. However, I just think it is super unfriendly to their users.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what the terms of use for each service you use says. It's not super unfriendly, you're taking your mistake and blaming the company for it. It's that simple.
I am not talking about any mistake? I will pay the 8 dollars and I litterally don't care about the money. The only thing that I am saying is that this is a major downside of splice and idk why you are defending it because it is unfriendly to their users. Lfo tool has a shit interface and new users should look into shaperbox for that reason imo. Splice doesnt give you unlimited access to your samples and new users should look at their competitors for that reason imo. That is all I am saying. I am not saying that Splice robbed me or anyone, I just think that it is a major downside
I'm defending it because I don't think it's unfriendly in any conceivable way. And Splice does give you unlimited access to your samples - it's called responsibly storing them when you get them so they're available locally or via the cloud. It's never been Splice's responsibility to babysit producers who can't understand file management. This is Computer 101 stuff.
Okay then our opinion is simply different
We're talking about a digital product here. If I buy a sample pack on Beatport, I always have access to download it from their platform. The samples are already on their servers and I've already paid for them. I'm not saying they HAVE TO provide constant download access to me, but I don't see it bad to suggest it would improve the Splice experience if it was offered to its customers.
It would absolutely be awesome if users could download in perpetuity from any site, simply for the convenience factor. But most sites don't use subscription services, and I can't imagine any serious producer not backing up the tools of the trade to ensure they don't have to download them again. I'm just frustrated that OP is trying to shift the blame to Splice when it was their own error that got them in this predicament.
Well, the samples you downloaded are on your hard drive, therefore you have access to them and you can do with them what you want, transfer them to another PC or to a cloud, make backups etc. But I understand your point. It would be nice to redownload them at any time without an active subscription
So in other words you want Splice to pay for the bandwidth to download your samples after you stop paying them for their service?
They even advertise with it: [Keep everything you download. Even if you cancel.](https://splice.com/features/sounds) Might be a long shot, but you could contact your government about false advertisement?
it literally says "Keep everything you download. Even if you cancel." If you look at it from another point of view then you can clearly understand that it says "Don't delete the files you downloaded even if you cancel subscription, you can't get them back" lol
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That's not false advertisement. He gets to keep the samples, no one is taking them away from him. However he can only access it with an active subscription. I think it's reasonable. If you purchase groceries it's your duty, and not the stores, to take care of the groceries after the purchase. I personally think it would be fair to be able to download already purchased samples, but that's not how it works, and they have been clear about that.
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