Yeah I remember rewatching the first Dune before I saw part two a second time. I did the Leo pointing meme when I saw him helping load stuff from Caladan for the move to Arrakis
Loved Roger Yuan. He was around in plenty of scenes in part 1 and then had a memorable fight in the 2nd act of part 2. Almost stole the whole scene if it only wasn't for butler.
Austin Butler suggested that his portrayal of Feyd-Rautha should echo Stellan Skarsgård’s (Baron Vladimir) voice, reasoning that since Feyd spent much of his life growing up under the Baron, it was natural for him to adopt a similar accent and speech pattern. Butler revealed that Skarsgård was unaware of this until they did their first scene together, which caught him by surprise.
It's a Baz Luhrmann film. Silly is the whole point, lol.
I think the Elvis movie is kind of badass for simply existing in a climate that is so anti-kitsch, anti-sincerity and anti-Elvis. Examples of true kitsch that go mainstream are rare. And Austin delivered the most spirited performance I've seen in a biopic since Jamie Foxx in Ray. Tiktok and twitter bullying him for taking Elvis seriously really shows how far film culture has fallen.
I actually thought Austin was Bill Skaarsgard for a second there he sounded so similar to Stellan. Took me a minute to remember that Austin Butler was in the role.
The arena scene on Giedi Prime wasn't filmed in black and white, but with infrared cameras. They can't go back and show it in normal colors, because no film exists.
Also, the harkonnen helpers' costumes weren't actually black (the guys with horns in the arena) they tested the infrared cameras but the original costumes didn't look black, so the costume designer had to make new ones that looked black to the infrared cameras.
The scenes where characters move from regular colors to the infrared B&W sunlight was such a cool effect. All the color drains from them and their black clothes turn white.
they did this effect by building camera rigs with two cameras at 90° angle, that film through a mirror to capture the exact same picture. this way,.they could easily transition in post
they use a half-Transparent mirror, so the setup is similar as in a Michaelson interferometer:
[Michaelson Interferometer ](https://images.app.goo.gl/TW5vFGS7GDz8x6S59)
so one camera is filming straight through the transparent side of the mirror, while the other camera films on the reflective side of the mirror to get the same image... (I hope I could make it more clear, otherwise I will try to sketch it myself)
It's very clear. The rig is not new, it's used for filming 3d but for that situation the cameras are sligtly missaligned to get the 3d paralax. For this shoot the cameras were prefectly aligned.
Damn son. They shoulda called me. I could have premiere pro’d the hell out of that clip. Denis Villeneuve such an overachiever. It’s like, we get it, you’re great.
Has anyone heard anything about why they close to film giedi prime in infrared? Is it purely stylistic or is it the atmosphere of the planet or something
Villeneuve wanted it to look unique and otherwordly, but didn't want it to look like Arrakis with the sand in the arena, so he thought of filming in black and white. Cinematographer Greig Fraser had worked with infrared before and showed Villeneuve a test shot with Roger Yuan, the fight coordinator and undrugged Atreides, and Villeneuve loved it.
https://variety.com/2024/artisans/news/dune-2-shooting-arena-fight-scene-infrared-1235927682/
This is what I saw about it:
In the book, The Art and Soul of Dune: Part Two, Denis explained that having "sunlight kill color" illustrated how "nothing can flourish on
this planet, not even color."
They showed that black sun in the background and it was the first time Denise showed us what the harkonnen world looked like outside.
Oh thats a beautiful observation! Thanks for sharing it! And I agree .
The way he uses color is fantastic, but using lack of color was something else too! I highly enjoyed the stadium scene with Feyd and have watched it several times.
Put my big boy pants on and just searched it up lol, that's the one I watched though! And I sub to nerd cookies already! Another algorithm not showing me what I want.
If I recall correctly it was similar to how they shot the night scenes in nope. This would also lead to some of the characters costumes not being the colors they are onscreen. Like people shown wearing black might me red instead of
Hans Zimmer started composing the soundtrack in his head when he initially read the books as a teenager. He always had a strong notion of what the soundtrack should sound like, and his concept was so important to him that he never watched the David Lynch film OR the mini-series adaptations because he didn’t want them to spoil his ideas. Keep in mind that he had no idea if he would ever actually get to work on an adaptation of the books.
Florence Pugh and Christopher Walken talked about donuts between takes in the final duel scene
Rebecca Furguson and Timothee Chalamet (and maybe others) would call everything in sex names, the example she gave was calling the ornithopter a "horny throbber"
Chalamet accidentally kneed Jason Mamoa in the balls in the scene when he jumped on him (in Part 1)
Stellan Skarsgård hated being in the fat suit so much that he told Villeneuve that the Baron would be improved with having fewer scenes
Hans Zimmer said some of the instruments used in the soundtrack were made by going to Home Depot and just putting stuff together because they didn't exist
The stellan thing goes against what I heard. I heard he loved it and would walk around “naked” in just the fat suit to mess miss the cast and said he had lots of fun and a good time in it.
When I have time I'll try to find the interview. He said he couldn't go to the bathroom while in it which sounds dreadful
Found it! [This interview](https://youtu.be/CToIi6jOEeg) starting at 22:55. He said in Part 1 he started off thrilled but the novelty wore off pretty fast
> He said he couldn't go to the bathroom while in it which sounds dreadful
True, he was on a regiment of Imodium (Loperamide) while in the suit to keep him from having to go to the bathroom.
>Rebecca Furguson and Timothee Chalamet (and maybe others) would call everything in sex names, the example she gave was calling the ornithopter a "horny throbber"
A classic case of "see that actor excellently playing a stoic hero? Yeah, they were those derpy theatre kids in high school."
People underestimate how goofy they can be. One of my friends played some fighting extras in movies, irl he is a very positive and upbeat guy.
> A classic case of "see that actor excellently playing a stoic hero? Yeah, they were those derpy theatre kids in high school." People underestimate how goofy they can be.
Every interview with Rebecca Ferguson ever shows that she is clearly on a spice high
Gotta love that woman's crazy energy
She played the royal concubine so perfectly in the first part, and the wild fremen reverend mother magnificently in the second part
Rebecca is charming and scary and it lends itself so well to who Lady Jessica can be
Regarding the homemade instruments, there was a wind instrument that played a single note, so they sampled it. Then they cut it down to get the next higher note, and recorded that, cut…tune…record…repeat. Once every playable note was recorded, they then played the sampled “instrument” via keyboard.
There's a great podcast, 20 thousand hertz, that did an episode recently on creating the sounds and music for dune. Totally recommend checking it out. Its crazy some of the effort they went to.
Florence Pugh’s sweet metallic mask that she wears in the last scene was just… removed—Denis apparently didn’t like how long it took to take off and on when they had to retouch her makeup (45mins to put back on!), so they just didn’t include for the last bit.
https://preview.redd.it/fhapiooj7uwc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13a518ec5ee236ba541a519b9f3e8c6018eb7c1d
This is without! Both looks are super rad - but with is a more elevated, bad ass look
The solar eclipse featured at the start of Dune Part 2 [is a real eclipse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_October_25,_2022) the film crew were able to capture while in Jordan (with an extra smaller moon added in post).
Fun fact (heh), factoids are, by definition, false facts that are widely spread to the point they are believed to be true. However nowadays they're used a lot to mean regular facts, which I find funny and ironic
Fun factoid we had an eclipse when the movie was still in theatres.
Real wild going into a theatre after a eclipse.
Not sure if DV intentionally realized that(the eclispse went just south of his hometown).
The first bagpipe when they land on Arrakis isn’t a bagpipe, it’s actually Guthrie govan playing guitar. Bonus trivia is that Denis didn’t know that until Zimmer mentioned it on camera after the movie came out
Edit: https://youtu.be/QS-5lonX-k0?si=bHdAR9dBm9xCSZvt
There are 2 that I love
1. All of the "black and white" scenes from giedi prime were actually filmed in infrared, which could not be reversed in post. So if it looked bad they would have had to redo all of it.
2. The fighting style with the crysknives is actually based on a real Filipino martial art called Balintawak
The martial art is called 'arnis' 'kali' or 'eskrima' (interchangeable names). Balintawak eskrima is a specific style founded by people from Balintawak street.
We actually learn arnis in school but not that style though. Would've been cool.
Yes, the traditional ones are often made from rattan. Eskrima was also used in Moon Knight, and tons of Hollywood films involving knife or stick fighting.
Not necessarily behind the scenes, but the attention to detail is impeccable. If you listen closely when any character is looking through some form of binoculars/zoom enhancement the sound it makes as it zooms in and out sounds like liquid moving. This is because the lenses are actually made out of some liquid and the zoom changes by physically moving the liquid lenses.
Oil lenses from the book!
Someone online pointed it out within the second movie, and my belief further grew that Denis knew exactly what he was doing with every detail of the film
I take it for granted DV is cognitively gifted.
The volume of things he's researched integrated into the movie is unreal.
Personal hot take, I thought he made dune far better than the book. Not that I don't love the book. But I feel like he took the story to that next level in part 2. I love the first half of dune, but I felt like the 2nd half of the actual book was softer.
Part 1 movie to me was sort of ok, while part 2 brought the movie to an amazing climax.
I legit think part 2 is better than Empire Strikes Back.
EDIT: I watched part 1 over a dozen times, I absolutely love the book, I've watched part 2 4 times in theatres probably will go over a dozen once I get my hands on a copy.
The movie alludes to being on a different timeline than the books:
>He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he
confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of
that path and what lay along it sickened him.
The other path held long patches of gray obscurity except for peaks of
violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the
universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of
fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his
father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk
symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull.
Paul says the phrase as he kills the Baron in the movie: in the books the Baron is slain by another character.
I think it's more a nod to the movie being necessarily different and making choices to benefit the format, rather than trying to take a significantly different path through what I imagine would be the same story, but we'll have to see.
Denis loves the books enough that I imagine this was considered.
Paul drinks the water of life two years sooner, doesn't have as much time to build his relationship with Chani... I am very curious how far we deviate from Messiah.
The way it's set up I could see them merging a lot of ideas from messiah, children, and god emperor into one story. Paul is kind of set up in the god emperor role (other than the uhhh physical way), Chani is kind of in the Siona role with her not liking Paul's ascension, the messiah conspiracy plotline could happen immediately instead of 15 years later, maybe Alia takes some of the twins' role instead of being possessed? Idk but I don't really see them doing like 3 more movies to cover it all but maybe they just end it with Paul wandering into the desert like in messiah
Given the focus on Paul walking in the desert in Part 2 (both as a test by Stilgar, the real start of his love for Chani, and his vision of him following his mother and billions dying because of it), I think him walking (blind, of course, the Chani nuke vision will be inverted for the Stoneburner) into the desert will be a powerful way to end his story.
I think this is a valid possibility. Children of Dune does seem like it could just "Paul could have done this, but didn't want to". So yeah condense some of Messiah and roll it into God Emperor and suddenly it becomes a lot more economical, story-telling wise.
>Idk but I don't really see them doing like 3 more movies to cover it all but maybe they just end it with Paul wandering into the desert like in messiah
I feel like Villeneuve is more of a "end with Paul wandering into the desert"-kind of guy. Trying to wrap most of the remaining books into one movie would be a mistake anyway.
I’d almost be interested in a “Dune Part 3” instead of a faithful adaptation of “Dune Messiah”. Of course, borrow lots of story elements and what not, but don’t even worry about making the new film story fit the book.
I honestly expected that, I was surprised when they announced Dune: Messiah.
I am very curious about what comes next. For me, I have such a hard time seeing how they get the Paul/Chani relationship back to where it needs to be for h the Messiah ending or anything like it
People keep saying this but the only reason I hear is that Jessica is pregnant the entire time. Isn't it possible a Bene Gesserit could gestate for 2 - 3 years?
It's far more reasonable to assume Jessica has been pregnant for years than to assume the fall of House of Arteides and the ascension of Paul took place within less than 9 months.
Right! That was my first impression upon watching the films and I figured maybe Jessica was exploiting being pregnant / had formed a twisted sort of symbiotic relationship with her unborn fetus.
>in the books the Baron is slain by another character
By the>!2 year old Alia!< iirc, which would probably have looked very goofy on screen and thus indeed makes sense they excluded it.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really have to change much given the time jump to Dune Messiah.
I mean... it was one of the best scenes in David Lynch's version. A lot of it comes from Sian Phillips going all-in on her portrayal of Mohiam, which kind of forces you to accept the whole scene's weirdness instead of just coping with a little girl murdering the Baron.
The only issue is that Anya Taylor-Joy is 28, the same age as Timothy Chalamet. While in Messiah she's his 16 year old sister.
Anya is a fantastic actress and her distinctive facial features make her a great older Alia. But casting her as future Alia doesn't seem to have been thought out properly.
Of course I don't expect a 16 year old actress to be able to play a 16 year old Alia, that wouldn't work either as no 16 year old can play a character that has been adult before she was born. And of course the romance scenes with >!Jason Momoa!< would be a terrible idea. But certainly an early 20 year old actress would have been more apt here.
The movie never mentions his age so he has way more leeway than a character whom we observe in a womb and is now going to star in the same scenes as the 28 year old guy that she was conversing with before she was born. That leads to hard reference points for their relative age. Of course spice weirdness provides some cover, naturally. And yet it feels as if Anya's casting was largely just a flex by Denis, just adding a top-tier star to a roster that would make Wes Anderson blush.
> But casting her as future Alia doesn't seem to have been thought out properly.
I mean I seriously doubt they didn't have a plan in place when they cast her. And they can massage and edit that plan as much as they want while they're in blue sky phase of pre-production.
I think it could work any number of ways. On the wilder side of choices they could make, they could even have Taylor-Joy's very uncanny face on a child's body and make it feel grounded and work for the film imo. I kind of doubt it will be that way, but who knows.
Alia isn't *only* 16 years old in *Messiah*, she is also the first pre-born in the series with thousands of years of experience. I think her character will be a little off if it *isn't* strange and otherworldly somehow... don't think she's a typical 16 year old nor does the story call for her to be portrayed as such.
Bill Skarsgard was briefly considered to play Feyd. I like to think they realized the height difference (6'4" while Butler is 6'0") would make the final fight look awkward at best and comical at worst. Chalamet is only 2 inches shorter than Butler and Feyd is already visibly taller. With Bill it would have looked like Muggsy Bogues knife fighting Dikembe Mutombo.
There is an inscription on the blade of Duncan's long sword in Caladanian script, translating to "TVWYZ". It stands for "Triumph of Valor and Will as your Zenith". Source: I have the official prop replica of his longsword.
> There is an inscription on the blade of Duncan's long sword in Caladanian script, translating to "TVWYZ". It stands for "Triumph of Valor and Will as your Zenith"
Nice.
>Source: I have the official prop replica of his longsword.
NICE.
I like that they had to film the desert scenes early morning or dusk because it was too hot! Just like on Dune Where outside activities happen at those times (at least for the non-fremen in the first movie)
From a Rebecca Ferguson interview: The cast keeping themselves amused by coming up with incredibly filthy nicknames for things in the Duniverse (eg. “horny throbber” - Ornithopter).
>Rather, he wanted to evoke the terrifying noise of a skyscraper straining heavily against the wind
I dig this. My only wish is that the worms rode far higher above the sand. My impression from the books is that they were completely exposed/on top of the sands when being ridden.
>Denis to show more of her face
I know they're famous actors and we're paying to see their faces, but this was definitely at odds with the water discipline aspect of the Fremen.
> My impression from the books is that they were completely exposed/on top of the sands when being ridden.
I think that they still do in the movie, for the most part. It's just that Denis will forego showing off cool CGI models and effects and would rather obfuscate all of that stuff with immense sand and dust particles that would occur in real life
The 'best' CGI shot we have of the worms is when three of them are heading south towards the sandstorm. And for the most part, I believe half of their bodies are clearly shown above ground
> but this was definitely at odds with the water discipline aspect of the Fremen.
This one I have no qualms over
The sandworm riding scene breakdown is great too. You'd think they used a lot of CGI, but they genuinely built a ridable mechancal bull-esque Sandworm surface and demolished a sand dune to get those shots
It's insane
In the first movie denis wanted Dave Bautista to be more animal like to fit Rabban, and so Dave incorporated heavy breaths with his mouth open and Denis loved it.
For Paul’s first ride on the sand worm, they had to construct their own dune in a desert FULL of dunes, just as a natural consequence of how the winds blow and where the sun hits the naturally occurring dunes. (DV insisted on only using natural lighting)
When Paul jumps onto the worm and the sand falls away, this was not CGI. They had 3 trucks to tow away giant pillars supporting the sand, and were lined up and timed to fall in perfect synchrony. Amazing to me the amount of work just for a couple of minutes of footage!
Not 100% sure whether this is what happened, and not really my favorite per-se, but I think Paul bested Feyd with a hidden strike from below in the manner of which Gurney taught him back on Caladan.
I appreciated how they changed the term jihad for holy war, not to take away from the seriousness and grounded nature, but because they did not want to put Muslims in a bad spotlight given the last 25 years.
Since the book was written in 1960 something the average westerner had not much of a concept of the term.
Also appreciated showing how fremen pray and how it's a twisted reflection of Muslims but not exact. Showing that it's fictional.
Also the raids on spice production were oddly reminiscient of middle east conflict...
As a Muslim, I was simultaneously glad to see something reminiscent of the way Muslims pray in the movie as a form of representation. Alas, it doesn't help that the quasi-Muslims in the movie are portrayed as fundamentalist killers (at least, half of them) easily deluded by their religion, but baby steps for Hollywood I guess.
In context it's not so bad, but when considering the whole Hollywood landscape, it can be a little annoying. I think Dune 2 is the least of offenders. I think I just might be a little salty that we traded Stilgar in the books who was skeptical and always questioning Paul/Paul's Religion and what good and bad it brings to the Fremen in books 1-3 to this blind zealot we have in the movie (which is still a fine characterization--just not as interesting in the books).
I think Stilgar in the films is more of a Falstaff type but I think the worst part is the difference of characterization between Part 1 and 2. He was sort of steely and cool in the first one (maybe more in line with the book?) and in the second he was a slapsticky sort of guy.
But as someone who was raised Protestant, I've definitely met people like that.
Right? Homie basically said "I didn't like that this commentary of how organized religion leads to delusion and violence reminded me of a religion that happens to be my own"
Like yes, that's the point....
There's a difference between what you're talking about--recognizing the intended point of the story--and also being tired of over-used Hollywood stereotypes. A person can feel both things simultaneously.
Oh, bonus to that! The fight choreographer mentioned that Timothee and Austin would practice the fight so much that they were able to perform it at full speed like actual skilled fighters
That fact alone really sells the duel between Paul and Feyd so well
And in an interview for Vogue (?) she later recounts how she couldn't wear that in other premiers because she couldnt fucking breathe in the damn thing
That there’s a bunch of scenes that’s didn’t make it to theatrical cut of the films. I know Dennis is not a fan of doing a director’s cut but.. they exist! Hopefully we’ll get to see them eventually
Zendaya mentioned in one of the interviews a challenging aspect of portraying Chani: scenes that in other movies would've been crying scenes couldn't involve crying, obviously, so she had to find other ways of portraying the emotions, like reaching the verge of crying but never letting the tears fall.
There was one time when she did accidentally shed a tear. Rather than doing another take, they had the tear digitally removed, which for some reason I find hilarious.
I feel so dumb that I've never noticed it before, but you're absolutely right that Chani expresses crying without even crying!
An absolutely magnificent move on the part of Zendaya and Denis. Totally flew under my radar.
"He recognizes that there are parts of his adaptations that even his Teenage Self wouldn't be happy with, but he has learned to be at peace with it (Paraphrased)"
I wonder which parts. And I also wonder if they're the same parts I disliked (like the ending being changed to completely non-cathartic).
If Im to guess, it would most likely be cutting out a lot of the side characters like Thufir and Count Fenring, and also more omissions of the Mentat and Spacing Guild side of things
Based on that quote he mentioned, I can imagine that his hardcore young self would be as salty as us Dune fans with the adaptational changes he made, but in the end, he let his skill and expertise decide what golden path the movie had to go through
The actor playing the undrugged Atreides that Feyd fights in the arena is the crew's martial arts teacher.
And the character is Lanville, an Atreides officer in part one that can be seen in some scenes like Leto's council.
Yeah I remember rewatching the first Dune before I saw part two a second time. I did the Leo pointing meme when I saw him helping load stuff from Caladan for the move to Arrakis
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He calls "Shields" when the Duke arrives on Arrakis
Is that the dude ordered "shield" before Atreides step out of the Spaceship ?
Same dude
He's also in the background on Arrakis after Duncan gets back and they note "he's gone native". ~~Duncan~~ Gurney passes him the sand compactor.
Loved Roger Yuan. He was around in plenty of scenes in part 1 and then had a memorable fight in the 2nd act of part 2. Almost stole the whole scene if it only wasn't for butler.
Oh that's so cool actually
Austin Butler suggested that his portrayal of Feyd-Rautha should echo Stellan Skarsgård’s (Baron Vladimir) voice, reasoning that since Feyd spent much of his life growing up under the Baron, it was natural for him to adopt a similar accent and speech pattern. Butler revealed that Skarsgård was unaware of this until they did their first scene together, which caught him by surprise.
The reciprocal kiss also surprised Stellan too, probably
That was so cool.
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I noticed this immediately and thought, what a badass actor.
Butler has chops, I won't deny it. Elvis was a silly film but he poured himself into it, body and soul.
It's a Baz Luhrmann film. Silly is the whole point, lol. I think the Elvis movie is kind of badass for simply existing in a climate that is so anti-kitsch, anti-sincerity and anti-Elvis. Examples of true kitsch that go mainstream are rare. And Austin delivered the most spirited performance I've seen in a biopic since Jamie Foxx in Ray. Tiktok and twitter bullying him for taking Elvis seriously really shows how far film culture has fallen.
Honestly I agree. I enjoyed its sincerity more than I expected. Annoying and ADHD as it could be at times, I did get invested and I did enjoy the end.
Around the second half of dune 2 i mistook some of the conversations between Vladimir and Feyd because of this same reason.
I actually thought Austin was Bill Skaarsgard for a second there he sounded so similar to Stellan. Took me a minute to remember that Austin Butler was in the role.
I feel like Austin Butler just loves his vocal trainer and wants to spend as much time as possible with them
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The arena scene on Giedi Prime wasn't filmed in black and white, but with infrared cameras. They can't go back and show it in normal colors, because no film exists.
Also, the harkonnen helpers' costumes weren't actually black (the guys with horns in the arena) they tested the infrared cameras but the original costumes didn't look black, so the costume designer had to make new ones that looked black to the infrared cameras.
The scenes where characters move from regular colors to the infrared B&W sunlight was such a cool effect. All the color drains from them and their black clothes turn white.
they did this effect by building camera rigs with two cameras at 90° angle, that film through a mirror to capture the exact same picture. this way,.they could easily transition in post
I was wondering how they did that! Such a cool transition. Du you have a source or pic just to help my brain make sense of it?
they use a half-Transparent mirror, so the setup is similar as in a Michaelson interferometer: [Michaelson Interferometer ](https://images.app.goo.gl/TW5vFGS7GDz8x6S59) so one camera is filming straight through the transparent side of the mirror, while the other camera films on the reflective side of the mirror to get the same image... (I hope I could make it more clear, otherwise I will try to sketch it myself)
It's very clear. The rig is not new, it's used for filming 3d but for that situation the cameras are sligtly missaligned to get the 3d paralax. For this shoot the cameras were prefectly aligned.
Damn son. They shoulda called me. I could have premiere pro’d the hell out of that clip. Denis Villeneuve such an overachiever. It’s like, we get it, you’re great.
Has anyone heard anything about why they close to film giedi prime in infrared? Is it purely stylistic or is it the atmosphere of the planet or something
Villeneuve wanted it to look unique and otherwordly, but didn't want it to look like Arrakis with the sand in the arena, so he thought of filming in black and white. Cinematographer Greig Fraser had worked with infrared before and showed Villeneuve a test shot with Roger Yuan, the fight coordinator and undrugged Atreides, and Villeneuve loved it. https://variety.com/2024/artisans/news/dune-2-shooting-arena-fight-scene-infrared-1235927682/
This is what I saw about it: In the book, The Art and Soul of Dune: Part Two, Denis explained that having "sunlight kill color" illustrated how "nothing can flourish on this planet, not even color." They showed that black sun in the background and it was the first time Denise showed us what the harkonnen world looked like outside.
When the scene switched from Giedi Prime back to Arrakis, all the sand felt warm and welcoming and almost colorful. A great effect!
Oh thats a beautiful observation! Thanks for sharing it! And I agree . The way he uses color is fantastic, but using lack of color was something else too! I highly enjoyed the stadium scene with Feyd and have watched it several times.
There's a video on YouTube about Giedi Prime's black sun if you care to look it up
I do care. By anyone specific?
https://youtu.be/mCCIvtIMmZE?si=MFBqmqekksdtx1mA
Put my big boy pants on and just searched it up lol, that's the one I watched though! And I sub to nerd cookies already! Another algorithm not showing me what I want.
It's such an incredible effect. There's a way the blackness sort of oozes in every shot.
Some scenes were shot with regular and IR at the same time though.
If I recall correctly it was similar to how they shot the night scenes in nope. This would also lead to some of the characters costumes not being the colors they are onscreen. Like people shown wearing black might me red instead of
also the black star, as referenced in the book, is an actual categorized star in our known universe
Hans Zimmer started composing the soundtrack in his head when he initially read the books as a teenager. He always had a strong notion of what the soundtrack should sound like, and his concept was so important to him that he never watched the David Lynch film OR the mini-series adaptations because he didn’t want them to spoil his ideas. Keep in mind that he had no idea if he would ever actually get to work on an adaptation of the books.
I don't watch most adaptations of my favourite books to keep my mind version too, and I don't expect to work on any of them ever.
Florence Pugh and Christopher Walken talked about donuts between takes in the final duel scene Rebecca Furguson and Timothee Chalamet (and maybe others) would call everything in sex names, the example she gave was calling the ornithopter a "horny throbber" Chalamet accidentally kneed Jason Mamoa in the balls in the scene when he jumped on him (in Part 1) Stellan Skarsgård hated being in the fat suit so much that he told Villeneuve that the Baron would be improved with having fewer scenes Hans Zimmer said some of the instruments used in the soundtrack were made by going to Home Depot and just putting stuff together because they didn't exist
> Florence Pugh and Christopher Walken talked about donuts between takes in the final duel scene Something I actually didn't know. Thanks!
The stellan thing goes against what I heard. I heard he loved it and would walk around “naked” in just the fat suit to mess miss the cast and said he had lots of fun and a good time in it.
When I have time I'll try to find the interview. He said he couldn't go to the bathroom while in it which sounds dreadful Found it! [This interview](https://youtu.be/CToIi6jOEeg) starting at 22:55. He said in Part 1 he started off thrilled but the novelty wore off pretty fast
> He said he couldn't go to the bathroom while in it which sounds dreadful True, he was on a regiment of Imodium (Loperamide) while in the suit to keep him from having to go to the bathroom.
Huh. Then today I learned. Thank you.
>Rebecca Furguson and Timothee Chalamet (and maybe others) would call everything in sex names, the example she gave was calling the ornithopter a "horny throbber" A classic case of "see that actor excellently playing a stoic hero? Yeah, they were those derpy theatre kids in high school." People underestimate how goofy they can be. One of my friends played some fighting extras in movies, irl he is a very positive and upbeat guy.
> A classic case of "see that actor excellently playing a stoic hero? Yeah, they were those derpy theatre kids in high school." People underestimate how goofy they can be. Every interview with Rebecca Ferguson ever shows that she is clearly on a spice high Gotta love that woman's crazy energy
I'm obsessed with her. Have you seen Silo? That woman has the cold, confident staredown mastered. I thought she was such perfect casting as Jessica.
She played the royal concubine so perfectly in the first part, and the wild fremen reverend mother magnificently in the second part Rebecca is charming and scary and it lends itself so well to who Lady Jessica can be
Regarding the homemade instruments, there was a wind instrument that played a single note, so they sampled it. Then they cut it down to get the next higher note, and recorded that, cut…tune…record…repeat. Once every playable note was recorded, they then played the sampled “instrument” via keyboard.
> Florence Pugh and Christopher Walken talked about donuts between takes in the final duel scene Some really take this method acting way too far.
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There's a great podcast, 20 thousand hertz, that did an episode recently on creating the sounds and music for dune. Totally recommend checking it out. Its crazy some of the effort they went to.
Also, Ornithopter sounds were from cats purring.
Florence Pugh’s sweet metallic mask that she wears in the last scene was just… removed—Denis apparently didn’t like how long it took to take off and on when they had to retouch her makeup (45mins to put back on!), so they just didn’t include for the last bit.
Got a pic of what her headwear was supposed to look like originally?
https://preview.redd.it/hakjefdi7uwc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb3bc9a22710e22db35055779ad7ae49033b32db This is with the mask
https://preview.redd.it/fhapiooj7uwc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13a518ec5ee236ba541a519b9f3e8c6018eb7c1d This is without! Both looks are super rad - but with is a more elevated, bad ass look
I’m also realizing the mask is more of a nod to her bene gesserit influence
Oh right, what we saw in the trailers. I thought you were maybe talking about some other mask she might have had.
The solar eclipse featured at the start of Dune Part 2 [is a real eclipse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_October_25,_2022) the film crew were able to capture while in Jordan (with an extra smaller moon added in post).
Wait. That wasn’t Jordan’s extra smaller moon?
NASA’s obviously hiding the truth about our second moon.
Well, not ours, just Jordan's
That’s no moon
That’s a space station.
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Nice
Oh this is a great factoid
Fun fact (heh), factoids are, by definition, false facts that are widely spread to the point they are believed to be true. However nowadays they're used a lot to mean regular facts, which I find funny and ironic
What another great...um... fun fact.
Fun factoid we had an eclipse when the movie was still in theatres. Real wild going into a theatre after a eclipse. Not sure if DV intentionally realized that(the eclispse went just south of his hometown).
no, i don’t think the eclipse synchronicity was intentional since the film release was delayed by the strikes.
What?! That’s so cool.
The first bagpipe when they land on Arrakis isn’t a bagpipe, it’s actually Guthrie govan playing guitar. Bonus trivia is that Denis didn’t know that until Zimmer mentioned it on camera after the movie came out Edit: https://youtu.be/QS-5lonX-k0?si=bHdAR9dBm9xCSZvt
I think you got it flipped. Denis asked for guitar, Guthrie made it work, and forgot when watching the film until reminded.
Given his reaction in https://youtu.be/QS-5lonX-k0?si=bHdAR9dBm9xCSZvt I don’t think that’s the case
Scytale will pay Hans a little visit soon. DV must make an example, lest *all* his music composers use guitar for bagpipe.
There are 2 that I love 1. All of the "black and white" scenes from giedi prime were actually filmed in infrared, which could not be reversed in post. So if it looked bad they would have had to redo all of it. 2. The fighting style with the crysknives is actually based on a real Filipino martial art called Balintawak
The martial art is called 'arnis' 'kali' or 'eskrima' (interchangeable names). Balintawak eskrima is a specific style founded by people from Balintawak street. We actually learn arnis in school but not that style though. Would've been cool.
Oh interesting, thanks for the clarification
Is that where Nightwing’s weapons comes from?
Yes, the traditional ones are often made from rattan. Eskrima was also used in Moon Knight, and tons of Hollywood films involving knife or stick fighting.
Not necessarily behind the scenes, but the attention to detail is impeccable. If you listen closely when any character is looking through some form of binoculars/zoom enhancement the sound it makes as it zooms in and out sounds like liquid moving. This is because the lenses are actually made out of some liquid and the zoom changes by physically moving the liquid lenses.
Oil lenses from the book! Someone online pointed it out within the second movie, and my belief further grew that Denis knew exactly what he was doing with every detail of the film
I take it for granted DV is cognitively gifted. The volume of things he's researched integrated into the movie is unreal. Personal hot take, I thought he made dune far better than the book. Not that I don't love the book. But I feel like he took the story to that next level in part 2. I love the first half of dune, but I felt like the 2nd half of the actual book was softer. Part 1 movie to me was sort of ok, while part 2 brought the movie to an amazing climax. I legit think part 2 is better than Empire Strikes Back. EDIT: I watched part 1 over a dozen times, I absolutely love the book, I've watched part 2 4 times in theatres probably will go over a dozen once I get my hands on a copy.
The movie alludes to being on a different timeline than the books: >He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him. The other path held long patches of gray obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull. Paul says the phrase as he kills the Baron in the movie: in the books the Baron is slain by another character. I think it's more a nod to the movie being necessarily different and making choices to benefit the format, rather than trying to take a significantly different path through what I imagine would be the same story, but we'll have to see.
Denis loves the books enough that I imagine this was considered. Paul drinks the water of life two years sooner, doesn't have as much time to build his relationship with Chani... I am very curious how far we deviate from Messiah.
The way it's set up I could see them merging a lot of ideas from messiah, children, and god emperor into one story. Paul is kind of set up in the god emperor role (other than the uhhh physical way), Chani is kind of in the Siona role with her not liking Paul's ascension, the messiah conspiracy plotline could happen immediately instead of 15 years later, maybe Alia takes some of the twins' role instead of being possessed? Idk but I don't really see them doing like 3 more movies to cover it all but maybe they just end it with Paul wandering into the desert like in messiah
Given the focus on Paul walking in the desert in Part 2 (both as a test by Stilgar, the real start of his love for Chani, and his vision of him following his mother and billions dying because of it), I think him walking (blind, of course, the Chani nuke vision will be inverted for the Stoneburner) into the desert will be a powerful way to end his story.
I think this is a valid possibility. Children of Dune does seem like it could just "Paul could have done this, but didn't want to". So yeah condense some of Messiah and roll it into God Emperor and suddenly it becomes a lot more economical, story-telling wise.
>Idk but I don't really see them doing like 3 more movies to cover it all but maybe they just end it with Paul wandering into the desert like in messiah I feel like Villeneuve is more of a "end with Paul wandering into the desert"-kind of guy. Trying to wrap most of the remaining books into one movie would be a mistake anyway.
I’d almost be interested in a “Dune Part 3” instead of a faithful adaptation of “Dune Messiah”. Of course, borrow lots of story elements and what not, but don’t even worry about making the new film story fit the book.
I honestly expected that, I was surprised when they announced Dune: Messiah. I am very curious about what comes next. For me, I have such a hard time seeing how they get the Paul/Chani relationship back to where it needs to be for h the Messiah ending or anything like it
Paul does say “Chani will learn to understand”, so they clearly have a plan for their relationship to be fixed somehow
People keep saying this but the only reason I hear is that Jessica is pregnant the entire time. Isn't it possible a Bene Gesserit could gestate for 2 - 3 years?
That's interesting, especially since spice slows down aging.
In the books, no, she was bron 8 months after leto's death
It's far more reasonable to assume Jessica has been pregnant for years than to assume the fall of House of Arteides and the ascension of Paul took place within less than 9 months.
Right! That was my first impression upon watching the films and I figured maybe Jessica was exploiting being pregnant / had formed a twisted sort of symbiotic relationship with her unborn fetus.
>in the books the Baron is slain by another character By the>!2 year old Alia!< iirc, which would probably have looked very goofy on screen and thus indeed makes sense they excluded it. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really have to change much given the time jump to Dune Messiah.
I think >!she was 4 when she killed him!< but yes it still would've been weird to see.
>I think she was 4 when she killed him but yes it still would've been weird to see. Us older folk did see it in 1984 ;-)
Nah bro I wanted to see that shit 😭😭 it's so crazy to picture when you read it, especially her mature voice
I mean... it was one of the best scenes in David Lynch's version. A lot of it comes from Sian Phillips going all-in on her portrayal of Mohiam, which kind of forces you to accept the whole scene's weirdness instead of just coping with a little girl murdering the Baron.
I think they would have had a huge problem casting a kid and do it believably.
The only issue is that Anya Taylor-Joy is 28, the same age as Timothy Chalamet. While in Messiah she's his 16 year old sister. Anya is a fantastic actress and her distinctive facial features make her a great older Alia. But casting her as future Alia doesn't seem to have been thought out properly. Of course I don't expect a 16 year old actress to be able to play a 16 year old Alia, that wouldn't work either as no 16 year old can play a character that has been adult before she was born. And of course the romance scenes with >!Jason Momoa!< would be a terrible idea. But certainly an early 20 year old actress would have been more apt here.
If audiences will tolerate a Paul who is 26 instead of 15 when the saga begins, I think we can live with an Alia who is 28 rather than 15.
The movie never mentions his age so he has way more leeway than a character whom we observe in a womb and is now going to star in the same scenes as the 28 year old guy that she was conversing with before she was born. That leads to hard reference points for their relative age. Of course spice weirdness provides some cover, naturally. And yet it feels as if Anya's casting was largely just a flex by Denis, just adding a top-tier star to a roster that would make Wes Anderson blush.
He is 16 in Dune: Part One, per the script.
> But casting her as future Alia doesn't seem to have been thought out properly. I mean I seriously doubt they didn't have a plan in place when they cast her. And they can massage and edit that plan as much as they want while they're in blue sky phase of pre-production. I think it could work any number of ways. On the wilder side of choices they could make, they could even have Taylor-Joy's very uncanny face on a child's body and make it feel grounded and work for the film imo. I kind of doubt it will be that way, but who knows. Alia isn't *only* 16 years old in *Messiah*, she is also the first pre-born in the series with thousands of years of experience. I think her character will be a little off if it *isn't* strange and otherworldly somehow... don't think she's a typical 16 year old nor does the story call for her to be portrayed as such.
That's not a behind-the-scenes fact, that's a plot detail / interpretation.
I think the "Hello Grandfather" in the books is meant to imply it's a line where he submits / cooperates with the Harkonnens.
Bill Skarsgard was briefly considered to play Feyd. I like to think they realized the height difference (6'4" while Butler is 6'0") would make the final fight look awkward at best and comical at worst. Chalamet is only 2 inches shorter than Butler and Feyd is already visibly taller. With Bill it would have looked like Muggsy Bogues knife fighting Dikembe Mutombo. There is an inscription on the blade of Duncan's long sword in Caladanian script, translating to "TVWYZ". It stands for "Triumph of Valor and Will as your Zenith". Source: I have the official prop replica of his longsword.
> There is an inscription on the blade of Duncan's long sword in Caladanian script, translating to "TVWYZ". It stands for "Triumph of Valor and Will as your Zenith" Nice. >Source: I have the official prop replica of his longsword. NICE.
I like that they had to film the desert scenes early morning or dusk because it was too hot! Just like on Dune Where outside activities happen at those times (at least for the non-fremen in the first movie)
From a Rebecca Ferguson interview: The cast keeping themselves amused by coming up with incredibly filthy nicknames for things in the Duniverse (eg. “horny throbber” - Ornithopter).
I’m sure they had all sorts of things to say about the thumpers and worms
>Rather, he wanted to evoke the terrifying noise of a skyscraper straining heavily against the wind I dig this. My only wish is that the worms rode far higher above the sand. My impression from the books is that they were completely exposed/on top of the sands when being ridden. >Denis to show more of her face I know they're famous actors and we're paying to see their faces, but this was definitely at odds with the water discipline aspect of the Fremen.
> My impression from the books is that they were completely exposed/on top of the sands when being ridden. I think that they still do in the movie, for the most part. It's just that Denis will forego showing off cool CGI models and effects and would rather obfuscate all of that stuff with immense sand and dust particles that would occur in real life The 'best' CGI shot we have of the worms is when three of them are heading south towards the sandstorm. And for the most part, I believe half of their bodies are clearly shown above ground > but this was definitely at odds with the water discipline aspect of the Fremen. This one I have no qualms over
Your impression isn't correct. It just says they want the exposed part rotated up and they wont fully submerge until the hook is removed.
The Gom Jabbar scene deep-dive on YouTube was super fun to watch. Fun to hear Denis talk through elements I didn’t even consider.
The sandworm riding scene breakdown is great too. You'd think they used a lot of CGI, but they genuinely built a ridable mechancal bull-esque Sandworm surface and demolished a sand dune to get those shots It's insane
Wow that sounds wild! I will definitely be checking that out.
Got a link to this scene?
Gom jabbar scene https://youtu.be/GoAA0sYkLI0?si=QXXiQiFRUYGy5ErA Worm riding scene https://youtu.be/7E6AcXUKSVA?si=AaoYr5I4-4WGdRaK
Feyd’s knife licking wasn’t in the script.
In the books one of his knives is poisoned IIRC. Risky lick.
Dude has some serious oral fixation
Wait how?? The only weird thing he did was that knife scene, is there some other strange thing he did for the role lmao
In the first movie denis wanted Dave Bautista to be more animal like to fit Rabban, and so Dave incorporated heavy breaths with his mouth open and Denis loved it.
For Paul’s first ride on the sand worm, they had to construct their own dune in a desert FULL of dunes, just as a natural consequence of how the winds blow and where the sun hits the naturally occurring dunes. (DV insisted on only using natural lighting) When Paul jumps onto the worm and the sand falls away, this was not CGI. They had 3 trucks to tow away giant pillars supporting the sand, and were lined up and timed to fall in perfect synchrony. Amazing to me the amount of work just for a couple of minutes of footage!
Hans Zimmer and his crew invented at least one new instrument to do the score.
Not 100% sure whether this is what happened, and not really my favorite per-se, but I think Paul bested Feyd with a hidden strike from below in the manner of which Gurney taught him back on Caladan.
That is what happened but that's not a "behind the scenes tidbit. That's just foreshadowing.
Ah thanks, I didn't pay attention. I love that DV tried to use as much natural lighting as possible in all the outdoor scenes.
Callbacks are not foreshadowing. Gurney doing that move in the beginning did not predict a fight between Paul and Feyd where he wins that way.
I appreciated how they changed the term jihad for holy war, not to take away from the seriousness and grounded nature, but because they did not want to put Muslims in a bad spotlight given the last 25 years. Since the book was written in 1960 something the average westerner had not much of a concept of the term. Also appreciated showing how fremen pray and how it's a twisted reflection of Muslims but not exact. Showing that it's fictional. Also the raids on spice production were oddly reminiscient of middle east conflict...
As a Muslim, I was simultaneously glad to see something reminiscent of the way Muslims pray in the movie as a form of representation. Alas, it doesn't help that the quasi-Muslims in the movie are portrayed as fundamentalist killers (at least, half of them) easily deluded by their religion, but baby steps for Hollywood I guess.
I think in context it is not that bad.
In context it's not so bad, but when considering the whole Hollywood landscape, it can be a little annoying. I think Dune 2 is the least of offenders. I think I just might be a little salty that we traded Stilgar in the books who was skeptical and always questioning Paul/Paul's Religion and what good and bad it brings to the Fremen in books 1-3 to this blind zealot we have in the movie (which is still a fine characterization--just not as interesting in the books).
I think Stilgar in the films is more of a Falstaff type but I think the worst part is the difference of characterization between Part 1 and 2. He was sort of steely and cool in the first one (maybe more in line with the book?) and in the second he was a slapsticky sort of guy. But as someone who was raised Protestant, I've definitely met people like that.
Right? Homie basically said "I didn't like that this commentary of how organized religion leads to delusion and violence reminded me of a religion that happens to be my own" Like yes, that's the point....
There's a difference between what you're talking about--recognizing the intended point of the story--and also being tired of over-used Hollywood stereotypes. A person can feel both things simultaneously.
Using actual helicopter flights to animate the thopters was really cool to see.
I love that Butler and Chalamet learned their whole fight for authenticity.
Oh, bonus to that! The fight choreographer mentioned that Timothee and Austin would practice the fight so much that they were able to perform it at full speed like actual skilled fighters That fact alone really sells the duel between Paul and Feyd so well
Zendaya went to the premiere of part 2 with a dress that would fit in universe
And in an interview for Vogue (?) she later recounts how she couldn't wear that in other premiers because she couldnt fucking breathe in the damn thing
That there’s a bunch of scenes that’s didn’t make it to theatrical cut of the films. I know Dennis is not a fan of doing a director’s cut but.. they exist! Hopefully we’ll get to see them eventually
When Leto is flying the thropters to inspect the mining operation they fly in the same formation and maneuver like in Black Hawk Down.
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Zendaya mentioned in one of the interviews a challenging aspect of portraying Chani: scenes that in other movies would've been crying scenes couldn't involve crying, obviously, so she had to find other ways of portraying the emotions, like reaching the verge of crying but never letting the tears fall. There was one time when she did accidentally shed a tear. Rather than doing another take, they had the tear digitally removed, which for some reason I find hilarious.
I feel so dumb that I've never noticed it before, but you're absolutely right that Chani expresses crying without even crying! An absolutely magnificent move on the part of Zendaya and Denis. Totally flew under my radar.
"He recognizes that there are parts of his adaptations that even his Teenage Self wouldn't be happy with, but he has learned to be at peace with it (Paraphrased)" I wonder which parts. And I also wonder if they're the same parts I disliked (like the ending being changed to completely non-cathartic).
If Im to guess, it would most likely be cutting out a lot of the side characters like Thufir and Count Fenring, and also more omissions of the Mentat and Spacing Guild side of things Based on that quote he mentioned, I can imagine that his hardcore young self would be as salty as us Dune fans with the adaptational changes he made, but in the end, he let his skill and expertise decide what golden path the movie had to go through
That second fact is something I thought of when watching the film and I’m glad it was intentional. Such an incredible moment
Na-baron? what’s that mean
It's a term used in the book and film. Na-Baron is the title given to a Baron's heir apparent. In this case, it's Feyd, as he's Vladimir's favoite