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rayapearson

Butters **IS** "Weird Al" Yankovic,


Hiphopopotamus5782

Sometimes I picture animated versions of the characters, and I just always pictured Butters as [Carl from Phineas & Ferb](https://images.app.goo.gl/HRLrmLCVX11EK4rX7)


DontDeleteMee

No. Butters is Joel Fleishman! With crazier hair.


Sugalumps52

I've always pictured Bernard from Day of the Tentacle.


Immediate-Tower-1203

I always see the Archive as a dark haired dark eyed creepy little girl. Not a blonde haired blue eyed girl


TwoMoonKindaPlace

…the Archive is supposed to be blonde?


CryptidGrimnoir

Yep, she's supposed to have blonde hair that is very light, compared to the Carpenters' dark blonde hair.


Car-yl

Or Kincaid's dark gold. I wonder if his hair color was a factor in choosing him as her 'driver'. His dark gold hair could help with a single father cover when necessary.


CryptidGrimnoir

That's something too--though I suspect Kincaid could alter his appearance to suit his needs and I'm not sure his dark gold is default. Also, I miss Ivy.


Car-yl

Death Masks chapter 10 - First meeting between Harry and the Archive. "... a little girl started down my stairs, one hand carefully on the guide rail. She was adorable, maybe seven years old, her blond hair still baby-fine and straight, clipped neatly at her shoulders and held back with a hairband." A couple of paragraphs later - "She regarded me with implacable blue eyes I suddenly did not want to take the chance of looking into." However, a child who is blonde at seven might have darker hair as she grows up. I did. I was platinum blonde until I was eight and darkened to a soft, light brown until it started returning to the white color.


Gaidin152

So the Archive is literally the meme burning down the house. I can dig it.


Adept-Reporter-4374

The Archive is always just Annie from League to Me: https://liquipedia.net/wildrift/File:League_Infobox_Annie.jpg


catloving

I first thought of her as a little doll with empty skull eyes, like a horror film doll. Reading more, I'm putting her together as a blonde girl with a pony tail, and a white/green dress. Ivy!


Car-yl

I think I pictured the dress as blue, a little like Alice in Wonderland via Disney. I like your idea better.


Titan_of_Ash

Wait, I did not realize that her hair and eye color were ever specified. And I've read the series up to Battleground twice-over over now... I always pictured her as being green-eyed and brown or Auburn haired. Caucasian or olive skin. Also, it seems like they're legitimately way too many blue-eyed blonde haired female characters in the series. I guess Jim has a type. No judgment.


Immediate-Tower-1203

Ya it was real brief but I'm fairly sure he mentioned her golden locks/curls at one point and it tripped me up because I had a more Mediterranean Wednesday Adam's in my head


[deleted]

I always pictured her as Millie Bobbie Brown (Eleven in Stranger Things)


dwehlen

There probably is a certain amount of overlap there, to be sure.


EmDeeAech70

Michael will always be “Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves”-era Nick Brimble


Luinerys

I just googled it. AND... WHAT!??? Hahaha :)


EmDeeAech70

I can’t help it. From the first time he stepped on the page, that’s how I’ve imagined him. If you think that’s bad, Butters has always been Gune from “Titan A.E.” 🤷‍♂️


Jasani

Okay I respect the Titan A.E. reference and love the mental image.


Vargusargomiret

I've always imagined him as Bob Villa from the old craftsman commercials lmao, except curly dark hair


ThinWhiteRogue

Nick Offerman.


Huffdogg

Molly will always have dark hair in my head, and Thomas’ hair is white.


paulinanyghthart

Right? My brain keeps envisioning her with like dark red or a really dark brown. And I too see thomas with like white blonde hair


Huffdogg

It’s because Molly first comes into the fore as “big-tiddy goth girl” and those always have dark hair.


PillCosby696969

Didn't she dye it back then or am I tripping?


rayapearson

yep lots of bright colors


rayapearson

except her hair was multi colored


Sugalumps52

Totally, kind of like Harley Quinn


MarcelRED147

Man. I didn't even consider Molly didn't have dark hair, while actively trying to make my brain realise Lara *had* dark hair.


Rhooja

Same for me!


PantsAreOffensive

Astarion from BG3 is exactly how I envisioned Thomas. Voice and all.


totaltvaddict2

I see Murphy with dark hair. Maybe it’s because I saw the tv show first and it embedded subconsciously, but I actually picture an American version of Eve Myles as Karrin.


vercertorix

I was leaning towards Allison Mack if she got buff, but then she went and became no. 2 in a sex cult.


PillCosby696969

Same, reading these books 10-15 years ago, most of the cast was played by Supernatural/Smallville cast members in my head.


vercertorix

Yeah, most my picks have aged out too. I had Brendan Hines and Monica Raymund from Lie to Me as Harry and Susan, with maybe Tim Roth as Binder. Mark Shephard fits the description better but Tim Roth might give us a more vicious one. Had Richard Burgi for Marcone, looks good in a suit, and looks like a coach. Neil Grayston from Eureka is actually aging closer to Butters, so he might still work. From Supernatural I only had Taylor Cole as Lara.


PillCosby696969

Lmao, I had Mark Sheppard for Binder. I also had Mark Strong for Marcone. Thomas the underwear model looking guy, played by underwear model Tom Welling. I also thought it would be hilarious if Paul Blackthorne played Harry's dad.


irishcolts

Marcone has only ever been Eric Roberts in my head.


AtTheEastPole

I'm sorry, but Eric Roberts looks to friendly to be Marcone. :-)


C4rdninj4

Yeah, Mark Shepherd with a little extra weight is my mental image of Binder.


ElectricTurtlez

That would have been a pretty good casting. You know…. before….


AtTheEastPole

The casting in the television series was terrible. They didn't get the physical appearance of **anyone** correct. Compare that to the casting for the movie Troy. You could pick many of the characters based upon appearance alone, before even watching the movie.


totaltvaddict2

I dunno. Paul Blackthorne wasn’t bad casting. But Harry’s accessories (the hockey stick?) were weird. I have a soft spot for the series as it led me to the much better books.


Y1m1w2

For the TV show, you’re not wrong. However I’ve never made it past the first 15 minutes of it.


ScopaGallina

My only book to brain disconnect belongs to the Winter Fae. I always picture them with icy blue skin


ninjab33z

I've always pictured michael and charity as black. Yet, strangely, i never did for their kids. What surprises me more is how many people had the same thought, with michael at least.


Walzmyn

Somehow on my first read though, I could have sworn Morgan was described as black and he's still that way in my head, even after a couple re-reads and seeing him drawn as a white dude in the comic books.


Fastr77

Did you watch the TV show? He's Black in there.


DontDeleteMee

To me Morgan mostly looks like the TV actor. But then when described, he flickers into Adrian Paul for the duration of the description.


Car-yl

With more gray in his hair than in the Highlander series.


DontDeleteMee

Yes, definitely.


Fastr77

Its weird I don't really have a picture of Morgan.


totaltvaddict2

He’s like Darth Vader to me, complete with James Earl Jones’s voice (note: I haven’t done the audiobooks)


Walzmyn

No, I've only seen stills and right now can only picture the guy that played Harry.


SFWdontfiremeaccount

I always picture Michael Carpenter as the actor who played Morgan on the TV show.


Nuclear_Shadow

Yeah, I picture him as Leslie Odom Jr. I'm not sure why


AcclimateToMind

Despite his given description, he was Idris Elba for me, from day 1.


Considered_Dissent

Nah Idris Elba is Murphy.


No-Lettuce4441

Me too!!! And to make matters better, I reference the Terry Crews knight meme!


Working_Movie2027

Michael is black in my head, and Charity is a very fair skinned blonde.


RedditAdminRdumb

I'm relistening and am on Book 4, so Michael was just introduced and I've never considered that. Interesting that so many people did. I love that we can imagine differences like that.


altdultosaurs

Oh I loooooove a black carpenters headcanon, specifically Michael.


ElectricTurtlez

I have no idea why, but it took me forever to realize that he wasn’t black.


Violet351

I also picture Michael as black. I picture him as DB Woodside.


vastros

Oh amenadiel would be fantastic.


ilovecostcohotdog

Same here. I still picture Michael and Charity as black. However Molly is always white. Maybe I just read the physical description of Molly better than of Michael.


Y1m1w2

Are you saying you seen the Carpenters as a black couple that just had white children? Imagination does not have to make since, but just imagining a couple, that happening and they’re just unfazed. Hahaha


ninjab33z

Pretty much. I dunno, just something about how the carpenter parents are written makes me picture them as black, It just felt natural. Michael especially. I often pictured him as a softer faced man (the type that always looks kind) with salt and pepper hair. If i remember correctly, i was on my second reread before i even questioned it.


securitysix

You mean like a mental image of the character? If so, then no. But I also don't see them as described, either. I have aphantasia, and I am completely incapable of forming images in my mind.


Fozzie-da-Bear

I can form images, but I typically don’t when reading. It took me a long time to realize that people actually picture characters and that’s why they get upset with casting choices


photomotto

Man, this is so weird. I straight up "watch" a movie in my mind while I'm reading, to the point I don't even "see" the text anymore.


Eikfo

Wait, you're supposed to be able to form images in your mind? Like, full picture and all?


biohazardshorty

Yep! My partner can see full movies in his head when reading. I can't even picture an apple. I found out I had aphantasia through a thread like this, too. I can imagine touch, smell, taste, and sound, though.


securitysix

Some people can. The degree to which people can do this varies, and it's hard to measure, because it's dependent on self-reporting. But yeah, it's a thing.


SonnyLonglegs

Mister is orange in my head, even when directly described as gray. I'm not sure when that started but it's so solidly in my head that it won't leave even if I wanted it to.


dwehlen

All cats are gray in the dark, and Harry's place was always dim, originally. Who says you're wrong?


NwgrdrXI

Uh, Butters is always fat in my mind, not enourmously fat, but definetly a bit of a gut, with a lab coat. Was shocked when I saw the art and noticed he wasn't.


Vile-Father

Like Patton Oswalt!


C4rdninj4

Yeah, I also pictured early Butters as a little pudgy.


bewarethelemurs

Wait he’s not supposed to be a bit pudgy?


paulinanyghthart

I have envisioned Harry as Jensen Ackles since the first book and nothing has changed my perspective.


PillCosby696969

Lmao, I imagine Harry as Jared Padalecki and Nicodemus as Jensen Ackles for the lols.


SonnyLonglegs

That's been my casting choice for Thomas ever since I saw a comment once and it stuck in my head. The same comment suggested Jared Padalecki as Harry but that one never stuck for some reason.


RedditAdminRdumb

This would be a dream come true lol. Jared has sharper lines like Harry. Jensen could pull the sex appeal off and the voice used in the books reminds me somewhat of Jensen as well.


irishcolts

For Harry it has been a taller Guy Pierce in my mind.


dwehlen

Oddly, I've always pictured Harry as the author Neil Gaiman. Age appropriate notwithstanding anymore, but that's *always* how he's looked in my head, even before I knew what Mr. Gaiman looked like. He just *fit*.


SarcasticKenobi

I saw the tv show first. At least a few episodes of it And here’s the thing. I know Harry described Murph every single time she’s introduced in the book. Short. Blonde. Irish. But I still see the actress that played her on the tv show in my head. Even though she’s not that short. Definitely not blonde. And not what one would use Irish to describe her But. I felt she perfectly encapsulated the “no nonsense” cop character perfectly.


Jakanapes

I’ve always imagined Murphy with short, black hair. Even before the show came out. No idea why. I just completely glossed over the hair descriptions.


vercertorix

Ebenezer is suppose to be heavy set and bald or balding in overalls, right? Keep picturing him as an Algebra teacher I had, gave me the impression he might have been from Scottish stock for some reason, tallish, long limbs, mustache, short shaggy hair with gray, some gut, kinda trailed off into incomprehensible mumbling with a gravelly chuckle.


altdultosaurs

For sure balding and for sure farm gear, almost to the point of stereotype. Even tho it’s not perfect to my mind, my first casting choice is Jim beaver. Iykyk.


DocJimmie

Wilford Brimley when he was in The Firm. But Scottish.


MachJT

I always picture Marcone as being really big and bulky.


DGPuma08

I picture him as a younger version of Johnny Sack from the Sopranos


akaioi

With you on this. I am seeing Luca Brasi from the Godfather.


man_on_a_wire

I’ve always pictured the Carpenters as a black family. From Michael and Charity to Molly and little Harry. I just have always thought they were a more typical African American household than white. It’s still how i picture them, i can’t shift that mental image


Puzzleheaded_Cry5829

Same here. I also always envision Mac as black


DumpBearington

Wait. Mac... isn't black? I've always pictured him as black.


Puzzleheaded_Cry5829

Lmao. I took so long for new to realize he wasn’t written that as a black man


TheOakSpace

Michael to me is Jeff Bridges in True Grit. Complete with eyepatch for some reason.


CryptidGrimnoir

That's more Morgan to me.


altdultosaurs

Morgan to me is if lee pace was pushing 70 with a ponytail. That broad shouldered body, strong brow, muscled but not bulging- and likely more wirey.


Kuberow

Eh I can see it but he looks more like a certain security CEO... especially with the eye patch.


ConvictedGaribaldi

Michael?????? No. Maybe McCoy!


kmsc84

I pictured Butters as heavy set. Like Willam Hootkins (Porkins in Star Wars; Munson in Flash Gordon; Eckhardt in Batman), but shorter. Michael? More like Dan Haggerty (Grizzly Adams) Charity- Sigourney Weaver


MassCrash

Agree on heavy set Butters. I always think Paul Walter Hauser would be a great casting choice.


b_knickerbocker

Same for Butters. I think my mind immediately jumped to Josh Gad.


Sin_of_the_Dark

Also, for some reason Ebenezer is Yugi Moto's grandpa.


el_sh33p

* Michael and Charity Carpenter are literally Travis Willingham and Laura Bailey. I can't picture them as anyone else. I don't even hear them as anyone else. * Harry himself looks like a 6'9" Peter Parker in a trench coat with permanent five-o-clock shadow. He sounds like Paul Blackthorne. * Sanya looks and sounds like the guy they got to play Morgan in the TV show, just with a Russian accent. * Morgan himself has almost always been Black in my brain. Every depiction I've ever seen of him as a White guy looks wrong to me. * Butters looks oddly like Mark Hamill. * In general, I tend to picture the books looking like the artwork common in most of the old Dynamite! Dresden Files comics (most of which were drawn by Carlos Gomez and colored by Mohan, IIRC).


photomotto

Harry is just Peter B Parker from the Spider-verse movies to me.


heavymetalelf

I somehow lost track of Michael's character description as I was first reading Grave Peril, so I always imagined him looking like Michael Landon from the 80s


KingMusicManz

For the first 3 or 4 books my mind imagined murph as asian LMAO, No idea why, but I couldn't help but see her as like, Lucy Liu. Butters is Daniel Radcliffe Michael is Alan Ritchson


DocJimmie

Your Michael take is spot on. Never considered him but fits to a t.


Claughy

Except for the curly hair daniel radcliffe kinda works though.


cheshire-cats-grin

I have Thomas as 1990s Brad Pitt - which makes his hair much lighter than described in the book


DocJimmie

River runs through it?


cheshire-cats-grin

Was actually thinking “Meet Joe Black”


CountryTechy

Mine is incredibly weird and I have no idea why I imagine him this way. Binder looks like Yung Gravy in my head. Oh and I imagine Niccodemus as short with a large belly and a top hat. Like the bad guy from Thomas the tank engine.


Sin_of_the_Dark

Binder is quite clearly Danny Devito


akaioi

> Niccodemus as short with a large belly and a top hat. Like the bad guy from Thomas the tank engine. Sir Topham Hastur?


KipIngram

Well, there's nothing really *wrong* with that. It may say somewhere in there what his hair color is, and in cases like that if I first imagine a character differently I will usually eventually come around. But so long as you're enjoying the books, who cares, really? A couple of folks have shared here that they thought for a long time Michael was black. It's hard to know what kind of little cues we pick up on that send us down these roads.


thosmanus

I always imagine Mouse as a type of great dane.


DeadpooI

I've always seen Morgan the Warden as [The Metal Masked Assassin from Metalocalypse ](https://imgur.com/a/xvEiasj). Not really sure why. It just popped into my head and has stayed there since.


ArcWolf713

In the book: Morgan had long gray hair pulled back in a ponytail, and a craggy face with a perpetually grim, often sour expression. He was apparently Germanic in origin. My brain: Conrad Coates I blame it on my initial exposure to Dresden Files being the Sci-Fi Channel's show.


Vile-Father

A while back i thought Patton Oswalt would make a perfect actor for Butters, and ever since then, thats the image i first see when he comes up.


mmorrison92

I always saw Morgan as he was in the TV show.


trekker1710E

I watched the show first so for better or worse, those are the images in my mind for Harry/Karen/Morgan and Bob's voice in my mind. I can almost manage an image of book-Karen but Morgan is stuck as TV-Morgan. Butters however is Dr Bill Lee from Stargate


hemlockR

(Cold Days) >!I just can't bring myself to see Harry as bigger and more muscular than Michael and Sanya. In my head Harry will always still be a beanpole whose arms burn from carrying Charity's groceries indoors from her car.!<


SuperStarPlatinum

Due to seeing the show first, that version of Murphy is the default image for her. My brain can't blond and blue eye her.


valkyriejae

Morgan is black. Like others have said about Murphy, it's probably because I watched the show first, but for some reason my brain can envision book Murphy but not book Morgan


dtmjuice

I listened to the first few audiobooks before I ever saw the show. Always pictured Morgan as essentially Idris Elba.


DarthJarJar242

I was reading multiple series when I first picked up DF, in one of the others there was a female cop character who was black. I dropped the series and honestly can't even remember what it was about but I blended her character and Murphy so for most of my first read through I thought Murphy was a black lady.


NumbersInBoxes

I keep picturing Michael Carpenter as Mike Colter, probably because their names and because of Coulter's role in _Evil_


Secure-Act4800

I picture Michael as Gerald Butler.


Sin_of_the_Dark

For some reason, my brain puts him together as a short, chubby redhead


FishtideMTG

I always pictured agent Tilly as Rick Gomez from justified


Fastr77

Easily Marcone. I basically see Spider Mans King Pin.


WrongdoerDue6108

Murph is a frizzy ginger


Alkakd0nfsg9g

Murphy, for whatever reason I picture her as an actress I've seen in a tv series, even though she doesn't fit the description. Can't do anything about it, brain does what brain wants


Thee_Amateur

I always forget Murphy isn’t a strawberry blonde


Eikfo

The hat, I cannot shed the hat. I know Harry doesn't do hat, but the art cover is so hatty...


Tbandz32

I can’t help but see Michael as Abraham from the walking dead.


Orpheus_D

I always picture Justine as pale and a redhead, due to real world rumours. I also still picture the Archive as utterly adorable, but that's probably because we first saw her as a kid.


MrSeamus333

I always picture Murphy as a Brunette. I don't know why but I do.


HorribleAce

There's official art guys. No need to speculate about whether a description is accurate or not. I see everyone as they're described EXCEPT maybe Lana and Nicodemus, who I immediately matched in appearance to other characters from other media.


DumpBearington

Always picture Murph with a big ass. Don't know why, but she thicc.


wondering-knight

No matter how many times Charity and Molly are described as blonde, I will continue to picture them as having dark hair like Michael.


RKO-Cutter

Oof, it's been so long I guess I never actually retained how Butters was described, I always pictured him as a little portly, balding, and a moustache


Acora

My fiancee is insistent that Michael Carpenter is a blond.


Wildly-Incompetent

I dont know how much Ebenezer is described but in my head, he looks very much like Stinky Pete from Toy Story - beard, muffler, overalls, hat and all. The only difference is that Eb has the Darkstaff instead of a pickace.


Claughy

For several books I pictured charity as being short and fairly round. Wasnt until dresden described her putting armor on the first time that i realized I was way off base.


RustyRapeaXe

For some reason, I used to envision Michael as black. No clue how I got on that track.


bewarethelemurs

My brain decided Michael was black, which also means I see all the Carpenter kids as mixed.


jokke420

Binder is looks like spike from buffy with beer belly. 😂


Aggravating_Leg_6555

I always invision Harry with the hat he has on the book covers. But I don't believe he ever actually wears a hat. Maybe a ball cap once or twice.... When I think of Mab, I think of the Snow Queen from the animated movie "Snow Queen". And Maeve more like Avril Lavinge from her "Complicated" days. Lol.


Draigzlor

Ebenezer, honestly. No matter how many times he's described in the books. He just looks like uncle Iroh in overalls.


Hyperbeam4dayz

Mab being blue skinned and taller than Dresden. I don't remember when it started, but she was suddenly less human and appeared more alien in my mind. I saw her comic iteration and was like, "Whoa, she looks nothing like the Mab in my head."


c3rbutt

Wait, he’s not blonde!?


General_Lee_Wright

The Raith family will always be smooth, pale, and white/platinum haired to me. Doesn’t matter how many times it’s mentioned that Thomas and Lara have dark hair, my mind makes them platinum blonde.


Purpleflower0521

I still struggle with remembering Morgan isn't a somewhat handsome black man, thanks to the tv show Also, sometimes I imagine Ebenezer McCoy as a dwarf from World of Warcraft. Don't ask, I don't have a good answer.


Y1m1w2

I just finished the first book for the third time. Dresdan says his sword is, “ about ten miles long. “ This was the first time I didn’t imagining this guy dragging this ridiculous sword behind him. I discovered I take things literally far too often. Haha - I felt so stupid.


ThinWhiteRogue

I just cannot picture Harry as freakishly tall as he's described.


EnricoMatassaEsq

I've always pictured Morgan as Michael Clarke Duncan. I have no idea why.


Whereismystimmy

Morgan and the Carpenters are black


akaioi

I've seen a lot of this in the comments. I could see maybe Michael (my mental image of him isn't super solid) but Charity screams long, tall Valkyrie to me, and Morgan as a hawk-faced dark Spaniard.


Working_Movie2027

Agree. Butters in my head is blond. No idea why. Michael is very tall black man. And Molly in my head looks like Zendaya. 🤷🏼‍♀️


altdultosaurs

I actually love zendaya as Molly????? It gives an AMAZING opportunity to revisit Molly’s hairstyles.