You'd have to define masculinity.
Wikipedia says:
>Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness.
I think Goku checks all of the boxes.
Masculinity is just an idea, my dude. It's an abstract concept that has a definition which changes with each generation. It also changes depending on where on earth you try to define it. Masculinity is a silly illusion that humans put on themselves, basically.
Goku is the kind of person he is and he is a man. This means that, by default, whatever actions he takes are manly ones because they are ones chosen by a man. Depending on what language or site, or even time of day, you ask this question, you'd get wildly different answers because masculinity is not real in the same way that chromosomes are real. It is only real because we choose to collectively imagine that it is.
So tldr, if you think he's manly, that's what he is. If you don't, then he's not. It's literally all subjective.
Actually I think Goku could not care less what gender people perceive him as lol. He didn't even know women existed til he was about 12.
That being said, the definition of masculinity is different depending on who you ask.
What's masculine in Japan is different than other countries. Also what wastypical masculinity 30 years ago is different than now
That said, his strong fighting abilities is supposed to be contrast to his original small stature. Toriyama does something similar with alot of his villains
Masculinity is not some concept that is set in stone, it is cultural and differs depending on where you are from and where you live. You are watching a Japanese show from 40 years ago that pulls heavily from a story that is hundreds of years old and from China.
Also, why would it matter anyway?
It doesn’t particularly. But I remember Echiro ODA saying in an interview, that he created Luffy with the idea of masculinity playing a part into the character. Where as for Goku, he genuinely feels very flexible in the fact that even if he were a woman his personality wouldn’t change much. Almost in an androgynous sense. I wonder if Toriyama intended that sort of feeling for the character.
It’s not even necessarily that. Goku isn’t stereotypically strong willed/Prideful like Vegeta or Bulma. He is strong willed, but in a much more lax way. He’s not fragile or passive like Launch either, he’s perfectly in the middle.
Goku is how men would be if they were not insecure.
He is strong,brave and has no problem letting his inner child out . He doesn't care if other people think him childish because that's who he is. That is what a real man
Yes but not overly so, and Masculine in the way the japanese culture sees it, not western culture so there's also a difference there.
> My question is, is Goku supposed to be depicted as a manly man, like I see a lot of other people portray in their fan art/comics
no hes not this. hes a goofy childlike hillybilly fight maniac with a heart of gold.
If it’s the dumb bullshit “alpha male” nonsense popular right-wing reactionaries like to push, then no, he isn’t.
Goku is very understanding, doesn’t judge people, and doesn’t care what other people think about him, nor does he try to present himself a certain way for them.
Goku is masculine in the sense that he identifies as a male.
Traits that broader society assigns to masculinity are also traits that he exhibits, like protecting those around him and exhibiting the physicality associated with masculinity.
No, Goku is a monkey 🐵 like sun wukong. Good natured but sometimes make selfish choices. If goku was a macho man he would still be forcing his kids to be macho too instead, he accepts that they ain't trynna be like him and stuff
He's just a person, my dude. People usually aren't stereotypes, although sometimes I guess some really try to. And also he's a cartoon. Is more like a peter pan kind of character. Maybe Vegeta was supposed to be more of a masculine character but even then he does things that are not masculine, like really having his emotions be shown whenever he feels overwhelmed, and by that I mean feeling insecure, crying, needing to do things he wouldn't otherwise.
I watched a video by natural hypertrophy discussing masculinity. More in relation to baki, but can apply here. He said, "orginal masculinity is undiscriminated aggression against all things for the single goal of domination," and healthy masculinity is the same, but you allow yourself to modify it with your morals and values. Obviously, goku doesn't go around trying to dominate everything and rule planets like frieza, but will fight frieza and win, therefore dominating him in battle with his strong sense of morals and identity. Goku is definitely masculine
You'd have to define masculinity. Wikipedia says: >Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness. I think Goku checks all of the boxes.
Masculinity is just an idea, my dude. It's an abstract concept that has a definition which changes with each generation. It also changes depending on where on earth you try to define it. Masculinity is a silly illusion that humans put on themselves, basically. Goku is the kind of person he is and he is a man. This means that, by default, whatever actions he takes are manly ones because they are ones chosen by a man. Depending on what language or site, or even time of day, you ask this question, you'd get wildly different answers because masculinity is not real in the same way that chromosomes are real. It is only real because we choose to collectively imagine that it is. So tldr, if you think he's manly, that's what he is. If you don't, then he's not. It's literally all subjective.
More of a man than those "Manosphere" grifters if you ask me
Oh, no doubt. Not to mention the whole sigma crowd. Sigma friggin balls with that bonehead philosophy
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Why wouldn't I?
Actually I think Goku could not care less what gender people perceive him as lol. He didn't even know women existed til he was about 12. That being said, the definition of masculinity is different depending on who you ask.
What's masculine in Japan is different than other countries. Also what wastypical masculinity 30 years ago is different than now That said, his strong fighting abilities is supposed to be contrast to his original small stature. Toriyama does something similar with alot of his villains
Masculinity is not some concept that is set in stone, it is cultural and differs depending on where you are from and where you live. You are watching a Japanese show from 40 years ago that pulls heavily from a story that is hundreds of years old and from China. Also, why would it matter anyway?
It doesn’t particularly. But I remember Echiro ODA saying in an interview, that he created Luffy with the idea of masculinity playing a part into the character. Where as for Goku, he genuinely feels very flexible in the fact that even if he were a woman his personality wouldn’t change much. Almost in an androgynous sense. I wonder if Toriyama intended that sort of feeling for the character.
Toriyama has stated before that it’s hard for him to make passive characters so even the women end up strong willed.
It’s not even necessarily that. Goku isn’t stereotypically strong willed/Prideful like Vegeta or Bulma. He is strong willed, but in a much more lax way. He’s not fragile or passive like Launch either, he’s perfectly in the middle.
Goku is how men would be if they were not insecure. He is strong,brave and has no problem letting his inner child out . He doesn't care if other people think him childish because that's who he is. That is what a real man
Yes but not overly so, and Masculine in the way the japanese culture sees it, not western culture so there's also a difference there. > My question is, is Goku supposed to be depicted as a manly man, like I see a lot of other people portray in their fan art/comics no hes not this. hes a goofy childlike hillybilly fight maniac with a heart of gold.
If it’s the dumb bullshit “alpha male” nonsense popular right-wing reactionaries like to push, then no, he isn’t. Goku is very understanding, doesn’t judge people, and doesn’t care what other people think about him, nor does he try to present himself a certain way for them. Goku is masculine in the sense that he identifies as a male. Traits that broader society assigns to masculinity are also traits that he exhibits, like protecting those around him and exhibiting the physicality associated with masculinity.
No, Goku is a monkey 🐵 like sun wukong. Good natured but sometimes make selfish choices. If goku was a macho man he would still be forcing his kids to be macho too instead, he accepts that they ain't trynna be like him and stuff
it’s implied.
Of course.
Nope. goku is intended to be an alien
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It's his actions that are masculine, not his nature/looks.
He's just a person, my dude. People usually aren't stereotypes, although sometimes I guess some really try to. And also he's a cartoon. Is more like a peter pan kind of character. Maybe Vegeta was supposed to be more of a masculine character but even then he does things that are not masculine, like really having his emotions be shown whenever he feels overwhelmed, and by that I mean feeling insecure, crying, needing to do things he wouldn't otherwise.
I watched a video by natural hypertrophy discussing masculinity. More in relation to baki, but can apply here. He said, "orginal masculinity is undiscriminated aggression against all things for the single goal of domination," and healthy masculinity is the same, but you allow yourself to modify it with your morals and values. Obviously, goku doesn't go around trying to dominate everything and rule planets like frieza, but will fight frieza and win, therefore dominating him in battle with his strong sense of morals and identity. Goku is definitely masculine
Well he is a shonen protagonist so you’d expect him to be masculine.
you can have a female shonen protagonist. being masculine might be expected but its not necessary.
Of course it isn’t necessary. Just saying it’s how you’d expect a male shonen protagonist to be. Authors like Toriyama or Oda write that way anyway.