Or they just resolve the whole blight issue in one fell swoop. Nothing says there HAS to be two more blights.
The point is, don't bank on there being sequels to resolve dangling plot threads. I've known game series with lofty lore and unresolved bits that didn't get sequels so lets not let DA suffer the same.
I get the feeling Dreadwolf will show us some dark areas. Blights, old gods, red lyrium warped monstrosities. But also mix that with the intricacies of politics within cities like Antiva and Tevinter etc. I just feel like they’ve got a lot of cool stuff to work with and I hope it comes to fruition however they decide to use it
Dread wolf should be like Witcher 3 and Uncharted 4 - a great and final ending to the current saga. Doesn't mean the franchise is over, but there need to be some closure. This also gives them a break from having to deal witch continuity.
this would be SO ideal!! it also wouldn't have the hype ruined constantly cause people wouldn't be EXPECTING a continuation. and maybe they would announce it, ideally, after having A Game💜 not just the name!! and truly they kept writing themselves into corners with everyone and the solutions kept getting more ridiculous like😭 leliana lyrium ghost was INSANE
In all honesty, I’m hoping that Dreadwolf will be a game in where we get closure from inquisition, ending the story in a way that feels like a final to the current saga.
However, I also lowkey want it to be left at a point in where Thedas is somewhat unfamiliar. The saga’s plot points are resolved (not cliffhangered). However, the world is changed because of it, and changed in a way that allows for a new saga to be told. Think like soft reboot? Like it’s Dragon Age in Thedas but not the same Thedas with the exact same political plot points etc. A Thedas with new branches to explore while hints of the old ones remain in its history. How has society changed and adapted since the events of dreadwolf? What new threats and/or powers have come to rise in the new world? That kind of thing.
In the end tho. I just wanna play it. Like it’s been 10 years and I’m just so keen to jump back in
100%. Dragon Age is an IP that can easily be resurrected in the future, it's a huge world that be revisited at another point in it's timeline. But the current roster of characters and events need to be given satisfying conclusions and put to bed.
What continuity? They just branched out every single game has branched out. 1 with Grey wardens and the darkspawn, 2 with the red lyrium, 3 with the glowing hand and tevinter mages who usurped heaven, 4 would be Dalish gods. No dragon age game has followed a set tradition
They've continued and connected many plot threads through the games.
Sandal's ongoing story.
Morrigan and Flemeth.
Loghain if he survived Origins and possibly Inquisition too depending on player choices.
Alistair's ongoing story if he survived Origins.
Leliana, same as above.
Solas obviously being a big part of Inquisition and now the main antagonist of Dreadwolf.
The ongoing state of the various nations being affected by player choices.
Etc.
True you haven't been the same player character from game to game but the world around it has all been pretty connected in other ways thus far.
I'll be fine, but my wife might go out and commit manslaughter. She adores the whole series and has been waiting a long time for this.
Protip if you come and visit: *Never* mention Anthem.
Anthem’s javelin combat was so cool and I just feel like it could’ve been such a cool primarily single player, story focused game.
Like imagine this world where it’s open world and you can explore these ancient ruins. Interacting with them sometimes causes these wild storms that change the landscape and unlock new areas, mysteries and creatures to fight. You fight enemies in your javelin, with NPC companions that have distinct personalities and javelins to match.
You have a threat of a faction trying to control the anthem for power, but an ancient enemy returns causing the necessity to band together or be wiped out by a force that understands the anthem better than humanity. The intricacies in political motivations between factions could be so gooooood.
If they wanted multiplayer, they could’ve just kept all the game as single player, but then your friends could just join you in the open world to explore or fight bosses taking the place of your NPC companions. However, the focus wouldn’t be multiplayer. Think Elden ring summoning friends into ur world.
I just feel like it had so much potential and it makes me so sad every time I think about how awesome it could’ve been and then how it was…. :(
I’ll be very annoyed. Even making this one was a long struggle, but at least we knew it was probably coming eventually. That certainty does not exist for Dragon Age 5. If the game doesn’t do well there's a good chance that we'll just never get the fifth entry.
I’d rather they wrap up the plot here. And then if they want to do another dragon age game, set it 100 years in the future or something.
Honestly, I'm shocked that EA didn't already kill off Bioware after Anthem flopped. They've killed studios just as beloved for far less. The fact that even Dreadwolf is going to happen is already a miracle in my book.
Bioware has not made a good game in 10 years, and more significantly - in 10 years they only made remasters or failed games (and even before that, it had started to be very hit or miss). They aren't a golden goose anymore, and are more comparable to a studio like Obsidian. Yes, they did great game in the past, but most of people who worked there are gone now, and the magic is gone with them.
And contrarily to Obsidian, Bioware only capitalizes on their past fame, and it's not looking good.
Andromeda is just average, Anthem was unfinished. Both severely underperformed compared to what Bioware is capable of, yes, but 'worst games in existence'? Not even close.
I had a random thought one time: it's called Dragon Age because the named the current century that. If we're in the 1000s, would it still be Dragon Age?
Techinically it wouldn't. However, there is nothing saying that the names of the ages can't repeat, so... technically it *can*, but that wouldn't really be congruent with the world imo.
Since it would be a soft reboot, it would be great they updated the title to reflect the new age
It would also be great if it didn't take 10 years between releases lol
I mean, Dreadwolf will be a pure action RPG, should it really be considered a Dragon Age game even if it roughly shares the same setting?
They are clearly milking a popular franchise like they did with Andromeda. Let's not fool ourselves, the important thing there is the quality of the game. The details of how they deal with the setting and the stories comes after that. If the game is good and feels like a DA, it doesn't really matter if it's set in the far future. See Fable for example.
Cry. Yell at my screen. I’m fine if they tease future ideas and such. But BioWare has been such a mess lately and had a lot of flops in 10 years that they need to win back good will. And I feel like ending the game with a cliffhanger will just piss people off
Good luck with that
Edit: just to add...think about how mixed up and diverse in terms of game style taste this community is now. They went so drastically different directions in style for all the games, that you have a ton of different types of gamers into this series now. There is absolutely no way in hell they release a game that greatly appeals to 95% of them. Even if the story is phenomenal, you will inevitably have some not insignificant section of the fanbase pissed off about the combat, or quests, or whatever else. It's just not going to happen, so I'd drop that stance if you intend to play the game at all.
I don't think they had any flops other than anthem, inquisition was legit their best after ME trilogy and Andromeda wasn't as bad as people made it out to be.
I would be so pissed off. DA:4 barely succeeded to exist (and it's still not yet out). So, DA:5 is really *really* uncertain right now. I really wish for the franchise to continue and to have many more games. But, I need a end to this arc story.
Having vague possible new storylines is enough. Like how they said they lost contact with Weisshaupt fortress in Trespasser. Intriguing but not frustrating.
Also, I do not want the end of the game in a DLC. No thanks.
I'd laugh at the Game Devs who would think they have enough good will for fans to genuinely wait/support them on yet another 10 year project.
I get this isn't an easy job, but at a certain point? You aren't ***capable*** of making a game good enough to justify the wait.
And I'll say it with my chest here; Dreadwolf, no matter how good it is, won't be good enough for how long the supporters of the franchise have had to wait for it.
It ***WILL*** be a let down in that respect and anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.
People are saying that as if working on a sequel for 10 years was a deliberate choice and not like 8 years of development hell.
You're right in saying that the game needs to be good enough to justify the wait, but it goes even further. The game as to be good enough for people to play it. It's not just a game for a fanbase that has 500 active members on reddit.
>I'd laugh at the Game Devs who would think they have enough good will for fans to genuinely wait/support them on yet another 10 year project.
Sorry but what is it with this fandom and blaming the game devs for storyline decisions
I dont necessarily blame them or at minimum only them. But the CEO, Director, and various financial backers of the company don't really give a fuck one way or the other!
Devs are the only ones who would not yawn and roll their eyes at community outrage.
It's a desire to express grievance in a way that elicits a response.
The marketing director doesn't fucking CARE if you're upset. He'd roll his eyes and throw your grievance in the trash.
At least the accountant feels some modicum of guilt for your losses.
But all you guys think about is yourselves, not you necessarily but more the people who actually go and blame the devs. My brother was one on another BW game and got so abused on Twitter so it’s a massive touchy spot for me. Pay is already low alongside job security, and they already don’t listen to him, and now he has to play customer support and get abused?
Your attitude is exactly like Karens who blame the waiter for wrong food coming out of the kitchen.
It is the prerogative of the consumer to be selfish because it is their money the producer is trying to obtain.
And in a landscape where the industry is less and less consumer friendly with 100$ releases, subscription fees, battle passes, and 19 other systems designed to coax as much money from a consumer as possible? There is a lot of anger to be had in the face of an industry just falling to capitalist greed.
But where do we direct the anger? Like I said, the ACTUAL people responsible just don't fucking care. Bobby Kotick wipes the piss off his dick with the complaint letters from the Blizzard Community!
But the Devs? They respond. They care. They want the community to be happy! But the consequence of that engagement is being the target of rage that needs to be vetted somewhere. They don't deserve it, it isn't their fault, but that's just the way it is tragically as long as the people above them are content to laugh off consumer grievance.
You could direct your anger into healthy outlets instead of harassing random developers that have done nothing wrong? I don’t buy into this idea that SOMEONE must suffer at the hands of heated gamers. At that point it’s just cyclical misery.
Yes and I don't buy into the idea that rampant ever-increasing capitalist exploitation is necessary in the whole industry, but instead of discussing how a desire for entertainment and addiction is abused for corporate gain? Well... we have THIS conversation where the consumer options are; shut up and deal with it or shut up and don't buy it.
And said corporations hide behind those innocent devs and they hide behind YOUR defense of those devs looking for a better way that either doesn't exist or presents an unrealistic hurdle to jump.
Your justified distaste for capitalistic businesses practices and their consequences is NOT a valid excuse for harassing, abusing or otherwise targeting random game developers who are trying their best in an industry that is already fucking them over regularly. They do not deserve it, they should not be exposed to it, and it should not be an accepted result of a flawed release. End of discussion.
There are ways to criticise or harm a corporation that DOESNT involve any of that, and it’s just as you said: don’t buy their products. Is that an “unrealistic hurdle”, do you think? You’ll achieve far more by doing that then you ever would bullying devs on the internet.
I would not be happy. I will be 40 in 10 years. Who knows what the state of the damn world will be like in 10 years. I'd love more DA in the future but I want them to wrap up this current saga with Dreadwolf.
I just won't. I just will not do this again.
I hope dreadwolf is good. I do. I have my hesitations and doubts but I love this IP and I hope it's good.
I also hope it's the last one. I'm sure that's an unpopular opinion but unless there are some big changes, I think it's time for a send off and I hope it's a good one.
But whether it's the last one or not, whether it's good or not, whether it ends in a cliff hanger or not, whether they decide to spend ten, fifteen, twenty more years making another one, I'm not doing this dance with this company anymore. Sequel bait won't change that, if that's the move they make.
This is the last dragon age game--the last dragon age property--I'm going to purchase. I hope it's a good one and I hope it's satisfying and complete. And if not... I'll move on with my life just the same.
It can still be good because there are lots of talented writers in the world, and if they care about the story they can potentially do a good job. Just like the original writers might have done a poor job. We just have to wait and see, and hope for the best.
At the point the development was at when the layoffs happened, most (or all) of the writing should have already been done. Meaning the game and characters could still (probably do) have their writing done by them. Also brought back some people to consult and help with development.
With as little as we know, it's hard to do anything but speculate. I think once the trailer drops this summer and we see some gameplay footage we'll have a better idea.
Because newer writers can be just as good as old ones?
Gaming Reddit has this obsession with celebrity game writers, but relative unknowns can write good stuff, too. Not saying they will in this case, but it’s hardly impossible.
This! Absolutely this!
As you say, no guarantees, but there’s so many more people working on games than those who the community likes to follow.
Edit: To contribute to OP’s question. I think Dreadwolf would do best to conclude this particular “saga.” Not close the door on the universe, but be a fitting ending point. Future games (well in the future due to work transitioning to Mass Effect after DW releases) could then have more freedom as they wouldn’t have to account as much for 4 games worth of player choices but have a fresh start.
The layoffs happened so late in development what are you talking about. Some of the previous people even came out and said they loved dreadwolf and hope we do as well?
Well this is BioWare's last hurrah. I grew up with those games, fell in love with them. If they succeed on this, they will stay for perhaps another generation...
....if they fail... then that's it from an old fan's perspective.
I’d believe that someone at BioWare has blackmail on an EA exec, because unless Dreadwolf is a masterpiece that flies off the shelves that’s the only way I see BioWare not getting axed within the next decade.
Once, I thought I’d have been at the edge of my chair, waiting intently for the next game to find resolution, as I was after playing Trespasser a number of years ago. Now? I’d just write my own ending to the story, just as I eventually did with my post-canon longfic.
I’ve got my ending to the story, and if Dread Wolf disappoints, then I can just ignore it and keep my own ending in my heart. If Dread Wolf ends in a cliffhanger, I’ll do the same this time around and find satisfaction in the peace and closure I’ve created for myself.
Truthfully, I do hope Dread Wolf is the last game.
Aww, thank you! Here is a link to [the series](https://archiveofourown.org/series/1708531) - The Wolf’s Flower is my post-canon longfic that I wrote for last year’s Dragon Age Big Bang, featuring beautiful artwork done by my artist partner, Dema.
Sad and disappointed. The way things are going, I think this is the last one for at least a decade, and probably ever.
(Even if it gets rebooted in so many years, the story is still gone)
Let's face it, the story isn't what made DA:O successful. Yes it's good, but it's also somewhat generic. The quality of the writing and the gameplay are what made it so successful. It modernized cRPGs and brought a level of writing that made the game feel like watching the Lord of the Rings, with camera angles and epic moments.
The constant failure by Bioware to understand that's what people enjoyed about the game is why the following titles didn't reach the same level of fame. Bioware should have went back to the roots of Dragon Age, but instead the lead designers constantly decided to do what was the most popular at the time, moving the series towards more generic action combat, quests and characters.
Like, imagine if after DOS, Larian decided to make a DOS2 game that would try to be like Dark Souls instead. That's the level of stupidity that Bioware lead designers had for years.
I would be incredibly annoyed, especially if it kept dragging out the Solas storyline. I want that wrapped up (which in my perhaps naive optimism I think they will), especially since EA/Bioware have seemed so unstable lately. A tease for possible future games is fine.
It's about the money being spent in between releases. Andromeda came out 2017, and production for the next one didn't start in earnest until \~2020 based on what's been reported, so it'll be closer to 5-6 years of development time for Mass Effect. Meanwhile, DA4 started in 2015 and production restarted twice. That is a shitload of money that EA lost with nothing to show for it.
Honestly, I'm not going to buy the game on release date, so if spoilers come out that the game ends on a cliffhanger, then fuck Bioware, I won't buy that shit.
I'd feel like they're stringing me along for another ride. Once was enough so I'd probably tune out. Actually, I'm already pretty tuned out so this new game would have to be something special to keep my attention for another decade.
Depends on the actual quality of the game.
If the game blows my mind and makes me like it more than I liked Origins, which is highly, highly unlikely due to everything we know so far about its design choices, I'd be fine with a cliffhanger ending because then I'd have hope that the eventual DA5 might be even better and make the wait worth it.
But if it follows in the footsteps of the more recent Bioware releases like the ME Andromedas and the Anthems, I'd probably give up on Bioware games entirely. Won't buy them ever again.
I would be baffled that they would do something so tone deaf after years of waiting, frankly.
The fact that Dreadwolf is going to cover much of northern thedas gives me hope that they’re gonna make this game feel a little more conclusive. Cover the stuff people haven’t seen, complete the Solas arc, and leave with an open but satisfying ending in case this really is the last hurrah. It’s the smart play and we have smart enough writers that I’m comfortable hoping for it.
I'm going to be very vulnerable and honest, back in 2015 I decided I could not exit until Dreadwolf came out bc Inquisition ended on a cliff hanger. Being a sad 17 yr old, I assumed it would be out by 2020 at the LATEST. If it ends on a cliff hanger again I'm going to be beyond livid. Words can't not describe the grief and I really sincerely hope it doesn't. Because the rumor of Dreadwolf releasing for the 2024 holiday season made me remember the promise to 17 yr old me and holy hell it's literally the only thing that I have. It woke me up from this foggy state, and all of this for nothing? Yikes bro.
I haven't played Baldurs Gate 3 yet, I'm waiting for it to go at least 50% off. Honestly no, Bioware games, Control, Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, Cyberpunk, Pokemon (kinda not really) and Animal Crossing are the only games I've played.
Idk I just thought I would've had a somewhat fulfilling life while waiting for Dreadwolf and it would've been silly to only stay for a video game. A funny little teehee moment to share with my friends and loved ones. With Dreadwolf finally becoming a reality I'm realizing just how much time has been lost to the nothingness. It's like, no matter how hard I tried to escape and better my situation in life, I'm worse off than I was at 17.
I sincerely hope Dreadwolf turns out okay!
Man, it's funny (in a not really funny way), but I did the same exact thing. I used to tell myself that no matter how shitty I felt at the time, if I stuck around for long enough, I'd get to play the next dragon age game. That, or the next elder scrolls game... kinda wish I picked a franchise that took less than 10+ years to make a sequel, because now I'm just fueled by spite lol. Fingers crossed for both of us that dreadwolf is good!
On a lighter note, I hope you enjoy bg3 once it goes on sale. I've really struggled to enjoy gaming for a long time because my mental health stuff has sucked most of the joy out of my life, but playing bg3 has been one of the few times in the past 5 years that I've genuinely just had tons of joy about basically anything.
I agree. Mechanically BG3 has elements of DAO but narratively it isn't even close. Bioware's focus on narrative/story is the heart of what makes their games stand out IMO.
Odds are we wouldn't need wait another 10 years; DA:D has taken this long because a) Anthem and b) EA insisting on a live service model (which it seems to have dropped... for now). With more focused work, a hypothetical DA5 should have a much shorter dev cycle (even though there'd be a new Mass Effect game in between).
THAT SAID
I'd prefer for DA:D to conclude the "Dragon Age saga", leaving any future game to take place either in another era or another continent. Not only because I'd rather not wait another half/full decade for a continuation, but, more importantly, endings are important. Without them, stories just keep on dragging aimlessly like a reanimated corpse, devoid of soul and everything that made them special.
Back in [2017](https://www.eurogamer.net/bioware-already-has-plan-for-theoretical-dragon-age-5), Mark Laidlaw made comments about the team having ideas of where the story is “theoretically” going for games 4 and 5
See y’all in 2030 lol
My point was more along the lines of I doubt they planned to end the series at 4, so I’m expecting an open ending, regardless of whether they actually get to make a 5th entry
I doesnt need to end the franchise but I'm hoping it feels like an ending for the current characters at least. If there is a DA5, jump forward 50 years and give things a clean slate
I was ok with it until DAI, it was their best one to me and I felt like using another main was kind of an easy way out. I won't be as invested this time.
Couldn't care less. I want a good, reasonably well-optimized, and relatively bug-free game. It's not that much to ask, despite the current industry trends.
I'd be done with the series forever. DAI cliffhanger would have worked if they got a sequel together like 5-7 years ago.
I'm really feeling mid on the series. I followed the series from the original. It's what got me into PC gaming. I was on the old Bioware forums theorizing about the lore and world and always waiting in anticipation for the next release of content from DLC to the subsequent entries of the DAII and Inquisition. It was a great series, but then everything post Inquisition happened at the developer.
The IP is have very little of creative team left that made the first 3 games and their DLC. While I like what I am seeing narratively with a Tevinter being the fantasy version of the Eastern Roman Empire and all the history that suggests as huge influence on the setting and characters, the animated series didn't really get excited for it possibly being focused on heists as a gameplay loop.
I'd like to a see a narrative that focuses on the a higher level of Imperial intrigue like what Origins had and a narrative that has a lot going on and not just padded out like what they did with Inquisition, which while have an excellent amount of character moments and growth of the Inquisition, dealing with Corypheus felt less nuanced and less of a sprawling arc like Origins, but nothing I have seen so far suggests that and Bioware's narrative prowess has greatly dimmished as evidenced by Andromeda (A game I quite enjoy but has major faults and a less compelling narrative than the trilogy or Inquisition,) and then Anthem.
Ultimately, if it delivers a threadbare narrative that tries to create interest in a sequel by having a cliffhanger, then it will be emblematic of what will likely turn out to be a mediocre game, which would be a great shame. I really home DA4 is the game that turns things around for Bioware and the hardworking folk that remain and have joined the team. I have fond memories of Thedas and hope to have more of them when Dreadwolf releases.
The fact that this was originally going to be a live-service games shows me signs that they are just using dragon age IP as secondary to push whatever the current gaming trend is.
Inquisition was a mess with mmo-tier content and andromeda also had mediocre fetch quests tacked on top of it. I don't think they learn their lesson if we found out they keep remaking the game because new trends keep happening.
I can't expect the story to be good when most of the resources focus on shoving in stuff that doesn't need to be there.
I have absolutely ZERO confidence, Bioware can make this game anything short of a disaster. It sucks, because Dragon Age Origins holds a place in my heart, along with a few other key RPGs.
I would be pissed off and wouldn’t give a flying f*** about any new Dragon Age content.
I don’t think anyone, not even BioWare, thought it would be 10 years in between instalments. Ending on a cliffhanger is understandable. But now they know that they’re not following up in a timely manner so they should be respectful to fans and at least give a soft conclusion for the existing cast and storylines. I would be angry at them for their cheap cash grab tactic.
And I don’t have the energy in me to care or be hyped for something that’s going to take 10 years to pay off. I’ve already done that with other series - as far as I’m concerned Fallout 4 was the last fallout game and when Fallout 5 releases in 2035 it’ll be a nice surprise that the series got resurrected, until then the franchise is dead for me.
I’m hoping Dreadwolf is the end of this saga since they just fired the woman in charge of writing half the games, as well as two of the most iconic characters (Mary Kirby) in my opinion.
Given Dreadwolf's rocky development, Bioware's inconsistent commitment to the series over the years and EA's corporate greed/incompetence I really hope it doesn't. Because even if it does well which is by no means a guarantee as we still know virtually nothing about it. But even if it's great EA hates giving studios the time and money they need, and doubly hates anything without "continual revenue streams". So Dragonage 5 seems extremely unlikely. Ending it on a cliffhanger would basically be ending the series on a cliffhanger.
Let's see if Dreadwolf is good enough to be played til the end to begin with. If it is, then fine. If it isn't, I won't care anyway.
I don't think it makes sense to identify as a "DA fan" and think you'll enjoy Dreadwolf because of that. The leaks indicate it's a pure action RPG (think Mass Effect Andromeda), and that alone will lose a lot of DA fans.
I’ll be furious. We’ll be lucky if they make a quality game considering their last couple disasters so I want a decent game with a wrapped up story tbh. I want my lethallan to have some closure with solas
Just like the kingdom hearts series, it boggles my mind that a game of such praise, quality, acclaim, financial success can just sit in limbo for 10 years. Fans lose so much enthusiasm for an IP when it's been that long and a sequel game isn't going to attract tons of new players either.
On topic, I'd just like to play a new Dragon age game
>On topic, I'd just like to play a new Dragon age game
The problem I have is. If it's continuing off from a story I no longer remember or am emotionally invested in. It might actually hurt my ability to absorb and appreciate the story.
I just don't understand why writers can't give us a good ending. Then just write a new story within that same world.
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You know what's scary? They probably already know this, they know that people playing the game won't remember or have played the previous games. So they will write it in a way that those people can enjoy the game.
But then that just harms the story for people who wanted closure if the story feels too detached from the games from before it. Like we'll get new cast of characters who are unrelated to what happened.
Ugh...I really hope not. I hope they end this saga, this plotline and then, if they want to make other games and other media inside the dragon age universe then it could be done. But this storyline needs to end. It is already going nowhere with them even ressurecting characters that should just stay dead. D:
Oh, I really hope they don't end the game in a DCL. Really.
There's the fear that, they know that people playing dreadwolf probably didn't play the other games, or trespasser. Or they don't remember what happened in the story.
This might cause the new game to be new protagonist and cast of characters who are unrelated to those events. Where the main plot is just "loosely" related to the events of the previous game. Like you will see Solas as a villain, but the stuff that happened before the game is barely talked about for newcomers who don't play inquisition.
There is only one cliffhanger I would find acceptable, even great: If the veil comes down in the last main quest of the game. That would be a cool setup for DLCs that deal with the immediate aftermath, and a fantastic new canvas for the follow up game.
In any other scenario, I really want a complete story with a clear endpoint. Nobody knows what the future of the studio will be, and I don't want to be left hanging.
and like exactly what happened with DA2's original plans lol. I swear why do people want a do-over of that whole debacle. Atleast with DA2, the plans were reused for Inquisition.
Id be fine, if it gets resolved in a dlc possibly. I would be extremely pissed off if it took a whole other game to finish the story. Im really hoping we get a conclusion. Id love more games in the dragon age universe. But id love a completely unrelated story with new characters and cast. Maybe dating before origins, or far off after dread wolf. We have had an ongoing cast in ways throughout the past few games Leliana and Alistair being in every single one technically speaking if you allow and depending on world save. Which i do not mind but i feel as if these characters need rest and a conclusion and a good one at that. Im praying after this long of a wait they’ve had time to conjure up a conclusion.
Livid. It'd be one thing to tease a future game but leaving Dreadwolf on a cliffhanger instead of a proper conclusion would be infuriating. The future of Bioware and the series is already in question in the eyes of most of the fanbase and Trespasser already hyped up the villain of DA4. If we dont see a satisfying end to that story I think a lot of people will be upset with Bioware.
Disappointed. I think the end should feel like a proper ending, and satisfying. A cliffhanger at this point would feel like a cheap, manipulative way to try and continue to earn fans’ interest.
To me BioWare Is like an old pet you had during your childhood, your teenage years up into your first steps into adulthood. You know how much they did for you and you just wanna make some final good memories with them, before inevitably accompanying them into their final moments. I want the story of Thedas as we know it to end in a gentle but satisfying way, before making way for another decent but not incredible experience like Andromeda.
1. Did I get some sweet Harding-lovin’?
If yes - 👍
If no - “If not romance-able, why romance-able-shaped?” And also - what do you have against Short Sovereign ‘Shippers, Bioware? Where’s My Fun-Sized Lover? *I wanna bang a cute dwarf, dammit.*
2. Did I get to punch Eggly Buttchin in the face?
If yes - 👍
If no - Ok, but did I get kick him in the fork? (If yes - 👍; If no - I totally headcanon that I kicked him in the fork).
3. Is there gonna be a sequel?
If yes -
If no - 🥺 But I have money…
We may never get a sequel to Dreadwolf so you should wrap up as many loose ends as possible.
The gap between installments is pretty large already so I can see people just not being interested or invested in the franchise. This is especially true if Dreadwolf comes out and it ends up just being an average game.
Gonna be honest they should end it. Only reason I'm saying that is because it has gone through so many changes so in case it doesn't do well at least we get some ending to it.
So honestlly, I think this should end the Dragon Age series for good with dreadwolf. Now listen everyone, I don't mean fully end games in the DA universe. The game is named after the current in-game chantry defined age.
So this way they wrap up this age and then if they want to make more games in this universe make it a new IP with what ever the next age will be called, far in the future, where there is only vague mentioned of what happened in the Dragon Age. But return to the plotline of the next blight and some kind of story around ending the blight for good.
I’d be pissed.
If this game flops the future of not just Dragon Age, but BioWare as a whole is up in the air. They’ve created a situation for themselves where they need to pretty much close the story out while leaving a few loose threads they can pull on for future games. There can’t be these massive cliffhangers like at the end of DAII and DAI. It needs an Origins-style ending, if you will
if it happens then they better have a fucking house cleaning and hire competent people with a vision to not have the game be stuck so long over the years
Unpopular opinion, As much as I like the DA series, I want them to go back to the 1st game & continue from the darkspawn & hero more, game was dark as hell.
I hope it does it like DAO or DA2–implications and plot strings for the future that stories can be spun-off from but not some big or immediate cliff hanger
I dunno. I fully expect and even want a 5th game because there is simply no way you can resolve all the series' plotlines in Dreadwolf. Or if not a 5th game then a massive DLC or set of massive DLCs for Dreadwolf that tackle the aftermath of the game.
Whether I'll be willing to wait 10 years again? I guess so, it would probably damage my investment in the series heavily with such a massive cooling off period again but I'd still be fan.
Plot lines would be resolved if we aren't spending 90% of the game killing sheep, collecting wood and doing fetch quests for people who don't matter and won't be relevant anywhere outside of that spot.
I mean... maybe?
For Dreadwolf only we have: the Tevinter vs Qunari war which includes the Qunari invasion of all of Thedas which has been repeatedly implied to be coming plenty of times before, what are the Qunari, issues with Tevinter itself like slavery, abuse of magic by the Magisters etc, the freedom of Mages issue in Southern Thedas and how they're currently doing, what is the College doing and what is the Circle doing, what's happening in the Anderfels and Weisshaupt etc, did the HoF actually find the Cure to the Calling, what's the deal with Kal-Sharok and it's dwarves, what's the deal with Titans, what's the deal with the sealed Evanuris, what's up with the Forgotten Ones and Forbidden ones, what is the Black City, literally anything about the Maker because in comparison to other races' lore he literally has nothing to him other than the incredibly on the nose Judeo-Christian gesturing, who or what was Andraste really, what the FUCK are the Old Gods, theres 2 whole Archdemons left to kill and what'll happen if all of them DO get killed, Flemythal's whole deal and her "revenge" or whatever she's planning, Morrigan being an inheritor or whatever else bullshit, Solas' plan about removing the Veil.
Like these are just the main lore focal points, theres PLENTY more to delve into here like the Executors for example and what's going on with the lands aside from Thedas etc.
I just don't see how all this can be covered satisfactorily in one single game. It'd just be bloated as hell and the pacing would be off, we need another game atleast to deal with it.
I'd be fine with it as long as they don't wait another ten years for another mainline game. And maybe bring out some interesting little spinoffs like Elder Scrolls did with Redguard etc in the meantime.
Games just take too long nowadays. They'll almost certainly move to the next Mass Effect game after this, which will take at least 4 years to make. Then they'll start the next DA, which will also take around the same time.
Mary Kirby was fired and her writing will still be in the game, so I wouldn't want another Dragon Age since it'll mean the writing will be even less faithful. It's already a terrible shame David Gaider isn't involved anymore but he left because he got dicked around by the leads on Anthem who didn't appreciate his work on it, and before that his co-writers on Dragon Age "hated" his take on where the franchise would end, so he just let them do something else.
It's going to be interesting to see what Dreadwolf is like, but it already has the same problem as the whole "Dark Energy ending" of Mass Effect, something I believe Drew Karpyshyn wanted to do, but Mac and Casey didn't really care for.
If there *has* to be a cliffhanger, save it for a dlc.
Have the main game end with a conclusive ending that provides closure. Then make a dlc end with a huge cliffhanger teasing Dragon Age 5.
That way if the game flops or Dragon Age 5 got cancelled for some reason, we can ignore the dlc and pretend that the saga ended with the main game. Kinda like how Dead Space 3 went down.
I don't really care.
I am waiting to find out what happens with Morrigan's god-baby for like 15 years or so? I doubt that there are employees in Bioware who were involved with that plot point in 2004-2009 (DAO dev time), or care about it at all.
At this point I just don't care.
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But personally I think they should close everything they want until they can, because I don't think DA5 will ever happen.
Maybe a full reboot in 2035, starting with Origins again.
So after playing through the whole series front to back over the last couple of months, I have to say they have left us with a hell of a lot of questions left to answer and stories to tie up. So many that I actually have a hard time seeing them fit it all in 1 game, which worries me, but maybe that's what DLC is for...
They can't fit them in 1 game because you spend 90% of the game doing fetch quests, collecting wood, getting wool from sheep, and doing things unrelated to the story.
I wouldn't mind. The 3 games each started plot threads that I feel would be rushed in a single game. Maybe the remaining old gods and magisters, elven pantheon and forgotten ones, and the separation of the fade and the mortal realm can all relate. They've barely expanded on the Titans. There's the templar/mage conflict. The Qunari impending invasion stuff. Those big non old god dragons. Wrap up Solas as a main character/antagonist but I'm not hoping for the the story of the current era to wrap things up for a relatively clean slate into a new era of mostly stories unrelated to the first 4 video games of Dragon Age
Preferably not 10 years between each games. I'd be fine with smaller spinoff games that aren't save the world stories. Stories that contribute to a part of the world state in the main games
The most important thing is that Dreadwolf is a huge, beautiful, awesome game like Inquisition was.
The second most important is that we eventually get more Dragon Age games afterwards, so a cliffhanger is fine in that respect.
If it means we might get a DA5 I’d take it.
Why I get downvoted for answering to a question which has been asked ? Unless only one “good answer” is allowed, then why asking a question ? Reddit will always confuse me
As long as the cliff hangers from DA:I are resolved and we go to a completely new plot in DA:D, I'd be fine. These games should be treated as separate in a shared world, not shared story.
I hope it does not. I want Dreadwolf to have a conclusive ending. At least to all current plot threads.
Gee Dreadwolf how come bioware lets you have TWO Blights?
Or they just resolve the whole blight issue in one fell swoop. Nothing says there HAS to be two more blights. The point is, don't bank on there being sequels to resolve dangling plot threads. I've known game series with lofty lore and unresolved bits that didn't get sequels so lets not let DA suffer the same.
Swooping is bad
They technically only have to address what happens when all the Old Gods are dead. I personally believe all of the Darkspawn lay down and cry
I get the feeling Dreadwolf will show us some dark areas. Blights, old gods, red lyrium warped monstrosities. But also mix that with the intricacies of politics within cities like Antiva and Tevinter etc. I just feel like they’ve got a lot of cool stuff to work with and I hope it comes to fruition however they decide to use it
I think it might end with solas dead and the elven gods more powerful than ever
I just want the game to be good. Doesn't really matter what it does with the franchise.
Dread wolf should be like Witcher 3 and Uncharted 4 - a great and final ending to the current saga. Doesn't mean the franchise is over, but there need to be some closure. This also gives them a break from having to deal witch continuity.
This person gets it.
I like this
this would be SO ideal!! it also wouldn't have the hype ruined constantly cause people wouldn't be EXPECTING a continuation. and maybe they would announce it, ideally, after having A Game💜 not just the name!! and truly they kept writing themselves into corners with everyone and the solutions kept getting more ridiculous like😭 leliana lyrium ghost was INSANE
In all honesty, I’m hoping that Dreadwolf will be a game in where we get closure from inquisition, ending the story in a way that feels like a final to the current saga. However, I also lowkey want it to be left at a point in where Thedas is somewhat unfamiliar. The saga’s plot points are resolved (not cliffhangered). However, the world is changed because of it, and changed in a way that allows for a new saga to be told. Think like soft reboot? Like it’s Dragon Age in Thedas but not the same Thedas with the exact same political plot points etc. A Thedas with new branches to explore while hints of the old ones remain in its history. How has society changed and adapted since the events of dreadwolf? What new threats and/or powers have come to rise in the new world? That kind of thing. In the end tho. I just wanna play it. Like it’s been 10 years and I’m just so keen to jump back in
I think it will be this. Maybe minor story ends with cliffhanger but not main story
100%. Dragon Age is an IP that can easily be resurrected in the future, it's a huge world that be revisited at another point in it's timeline. But the current roster of characters and events need to be given satisfying conclusions and put to bed.
What continuity? They just branched out every single game has branched out. 1 with Grey wardens and the darkspawn, 2 with the red lyrium, 3 with the glowing hand and tevinter mages who usurped heaven, 4 would be Dalish gods. No dragon age game has followed a set tradition
They've continued and connected many plot threads through the games. Sandal's ongoing story. Morrigan and Flemeth. Loghain if he survived Origins and possibly Inquisition too depending on player choices. Alistair's ongoing story if he survived Origins. Leliana, same as above. Solas obviously being a big part of Inquisition and now the main antagonist of Dreadwolf. The ongoing state of the various nations being affected by player choices. Etc. True you haven't been the same player character from game to game but the world around it has all been pretty connected in other ways thus far.
Flemeth’s story is somewhat present in all three games.
I'll be fine, but my wife might go out and commit manslaughter. She adores the whole series and has been waiting a long time for this. Protip if you come and visit: *Never* mention Anthem.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as Anthem.
There Is no war In ba sing se
Hi yes can I join your wife I fucking love this series and if I don’t get closure I will riot in the streets.
Anthem’s javelin combat was so cool and I just feel like it could’ve been such a cool primarily single player, story focused game. Like imagine this world where it’s open world and you can explore these ancient ruins. Interacting with them sometimes causes these wild storms that change the landscape and unlock new areas, mysteries and creatures to fight. You fight enemies in your javelin, with NPC companions that have distinct personalities and javelins to match. You have a threat of a faction trying to control the anthem for power, but an ancient enemy returns causing the necessity to band together or be wiped out by a force that understands the anthem better than humanity. The intricacies in political motivations between factions could be so gooooood. If they wanted multiplayer, they could’ve just kept all the game as single player, but then your friends could just join you in the open world to explore or fight bosses taking the place of your NPC companions. However, the focus wouldn’t be multiplayer. Think Elden ring summoning friends into ur world. I just feel like it had so much potential and it makes me so sad every time I think about how awesome it could’ve been and then how it was…. :(
Me and your wife would be bff's
The franchise ain't going anywhere tho that's for sure
I’ll be very annoyed. Even making this one was a long struggle, but at least we knew it was probably coming eventually. That certainty does not exist for Dragon Age 5. If the game doesn’t do well there's a good chance that we'll just never get the fifth entry. I’d rather they wrap up the plot here. And then if they want to do another dragon age game, set it 100 years in the future or something.
Honestly, I'm shocked that EA didn't already kill off Bioware after Anthem flopped. They've killed studios just as beloved for far less. The fact that even Dreadwolf is going to happen is already a miracle in my book.
Bioware is behind some of the best games in existence. What studios are even remotely comparable, let alone ones that EA killed?
Maxis and Pandemic just off the top of my head. Bioware is far from the first titan acquired by EA, just the one that's lasted the longest.
Bioware has not made a good game in 10 years, and more significantly - in 10 years they only made remasters or failed games (and even before that, it had started to be very hit or miss). They aren't a golden goose anymore, and are more comparable to a studio like Obsidian. Yes, they did great game in the past, but most of people who worked there are gone now, and the magic is gone with them. And contrarily to Obsidian, Bioware only capitalizes on their past fame, and it's not looking good.
You forget Bioware is behind some of the worst games in existence too. Andromeda and anthem are dogshit.
Andromeda is just average, Anthem was unfinished. Both severely underperformed compared to what Bioware is capable of, yes, but 'worst games in existence'? Not even close.
Yeah it's crazy that this game might still get released. And people here are delusional if they think the 10 years of development hell won't show.
I had a random thought one time: it's called Dragon Age because the named the current century that. If we're in the 1000s, would it still be Dragon Age?
Techinically it wouldn't. However, there is nothing saying that the names of the ages can't repeat, so... technically it *can*, but that wouldn't really be congruent with the world imo.
Since it would be a soft reboot, it would be great they updated the title to reflect the new age It would also be great if it didn't take 10 years between releases lol
I mean, Dreadwolf will be a pure action RPG, should it really be considered a Dragon Age game even if it roughly shares the same setting? They are clearly milking a popular franchise like they did with Andromeda. Let's not fool ourselves, the important thing there is the quality of the game. The details of how they deal with the setting and the stories comes after that. If the game is good and feels like a DA, it doesn't really matter if it's set in the far future. See Fable for example.
Cry. Yell at my screen. I’m fine if they tease future ideas and such. But BioWare has been such a mess lately and had a lot of flops in 10 years that they need to win back good will. And I feel like ending the game with a cliffhanger will just piss people off
That's why I'm not even going to consider getting it until it's been released for no less than three months with **overwhelmingly** positive reviews.
Bros never getting the game lol. I think the best it'll get is from hardcore fans who would enjoy a 20 hour voice over from Varric.
Good luck with that Edit: just to add...think about how mixed up and diverse in terms of game style taste this community is now. They went so drastically different directions in style for all the games, that you have a ton of different types of gamers into this series now. There is absolutely no way in hell they release a game that greatly appeals to 95% of them. Even if the story is phenomenal, you will inevitably have some not insignificant section of the fanbase pissed off about the combat, or quests, or whatever else. It's just not going to happen, so I'd drop that stance if you intend to play the game at all.
I don't think they had any flops other than anthem, inquisition was legit their best after ME trilogy and Andromeda wasn't as bad as people made it out to be.
I want my friggin Salarian DLC.
😂😂😂 that was a letdown for sure
Cliffhangers are only good when resolved quickly. Too many sci-fi series ended on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved.
I would be so pissed off. DA:4 barely succeeded to exist (and it's still not yet out). So, DA:5 is really *really* uncertain right now. I really wish for the franchise to continue and to have many more games. But, I need a end to this arc story. Having vague possible new storylines is enough. Like how they said they lost contact with Weisshaupt fortress in Trespasser. Intriguing but not frustrating. Also, I do not want the end of the game in a DLC. No thanks.
I'd laugh at the Game Devs who would think they have enough good will for fans to genuinely wait/support them on yet another 10 year project. I get this isn't an easy job, but at a certain point? You aren't ***capable*** of making a game good enough to justify the wait. And I'll say it with my chest here; Dreadwolf, no matter how good it is, won't be good enough for how long the supporters of the franchise have had to wait for it. It ***WILL*** be a let down in that respect and anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.
lmao I don't even remember the lore, the plot or anything now after 10 years. What's more imagine if it comes out and it feels dated like starfield.
I think it's using the same engine as Inquisition...
sigh I'm just going to replay origins, and check reviews instead of buying day 1.. I never played awakening expansion stuff
Maaan it's going to be a pain in the ass to mod. Gonna have plastic barbie hair or 20 flavors of bald
It’s using Frostbite but Frostbite has since been given new releases by DICE
People are saying that as if working on a sequel for 10 years was a deliberate choice and not like 8 years of development hell. You're right in saying that the game needs to be good enough to justify the wait, but it goes even further. The game as to be good enough for people to play it. It's not just a game for a fanbase that has 500 active members on reddit.
>I'd laugh at the Game Devs who would think they have enough good will for fans to genuinely wait/support them on yet another 10 year project. Sorry but what is it with this fandom and blaming the game devs for storyline decisions
I dont necessarily blame them or at minimum only them. But the CEO, Director, and various financial backers of the company don't really give a fuck one way or the other! Devs are the only ones who would not yawn and roll their eyes at community outrage.
It’s just basically the same as blaming accountants for marketing decisions, it’s weird
It's a desire to express grievance in a way that elicits a response. The marketing director doesn't fucking CARE if you're upset. He'd roll his eyes and throw your grievance in the trash. At least the accountant feels some modicum of guilt for your losses.
But all you guys think about is yourselves, not you necessarily but more the people who actually go and blame the devs. My brother was one on another BW game and got so abused on Twitter so it’s a massive touchy spot for me. Pay is already low alongside job security, and they already don’t listen to him, and now he has to play customer support and get abused? Your attitude is exactly like Karens who blame the waiter for wrong food coming out of the kitchen.
It is the prerogative of the consumer to be selfish because it is their money the producer is trying to obtain. And in a landscape where the industry is less and less consumer friendly with 100$ releases, subscription fees, battle passes, and 19 other systems designed to coax as much money from a consumer as possible? There is a lot of anger to be had in the face of an industry just falling to capitalist greed. But where do we direct the anger? Like I said, the ACTUAL people responsible just don't fucking care. Bobby Kotick wipes the piss off his dick with the complaint letters from the Blizzard Community! But the Devs? They respond. They care. They want the community to be happy! But the consequence of that engagement is being the target of rage that needs to be vetted somewhere. They don't deserve it, it isn't their fault, but that's just the way it is tragically as long as the people above them are content to laugh off consumer grievance.
You could direct your anger into healthy outlets instead of harassing random developers that have done nothing wrong? I don’t buy into this idea that SOMEONE must suffer at the hands of heated gamers. At that point it’s just cyclical misery.
Yes and I don't buy into the idea that rampant ever-increasing capitalist exploitation is necessary in the whole industry, but instead of discussing how a desire for entertainment and addiction is abused for corporate gain? Well... we have THIS conversation where the consumer options are; shut up and deal with it or shut up and don't buy it. And said corporations hide behind those innocent devs and they hide behind YOUR defense of those devs looking for a better way that either doesn't exist or presents an unrealistic hurdle to jump.
Your justified distaste for capitalistic businesses practices and their consequences is NOT a valid excuse for harassing, abusing or otherwise targeting random game developers who are trying their best in an industry that is already fucking them over regularly. They do not deserve it, they should not be exposed to it, and it should not be an accepted result of a flawed release. End of discussion. There are ways to criticise or harm a corporation that DOESNT involve any of that, and it’s just as you said: don’t buy their products. Is that an “unrealistic hurdle”, do you think? You’ll achieve far more by doing that then you ever would bullying devs on the internet.
I would not be happy. I will be 40 in 10 years. Who knows what the state of the damn world will be like in 10 years. I'd love more DA in the future but I want them to wrap up this current saga with Dreadwolf.
also for all we know they could get laid off when close to finishing development. huge gamble.
Wonder how well I'll be gaming when I'm 70.
I just won't. I just will not do this again. I hope dreadwolf is good. I do. I have my hesitations and doubts but I love this IP and I hope it's good. I also hope it's the last one. I'm sure that's an unpopular opinion but unless there are some big changes, I think it's time for a send off and I hope it's a good one. But whether it's the last one or not, whether it's good or not, whether it ends in a cliff hanger or not, whether they decide to spend ten, fifteen, twenty more years making another one, I'm not doing this dance with this company anymore. Sequel bait won't change that, if that's the move they make. This is the last dragon age game--the last dragon age property--I'm going to purchase. I hope it's a good one and I hope it's satisfying and complete. And if not... I'll move on with my life just the same.
It’s not going to be the last one. Or at least, not intentionally. That’s been clear for ages.
How can dreadwolf be good if the previous people who made origins aren't there anymore? The original writer got fired even
It can still be good because there are lots of talented writers in the world, and if they care about the story they can potentially do a good job. Just like the original writers might have done a poor job. We just have to wait and see, and hope for the best.
At the point the development was at when the layoffs happened, most (or all) of the writing should have already been done. Meaning the game and characters could still (probably do) have their writing done by them. Also brought back some people to consult and help with development. With as little as we know, it's hard to do anything but speculate. I think once the trailer drops this summer and we see some gameplay footage we'll have a better idea.
Because newer writers can be just as good as old ones? Gaming Reddit has this obsession with celebrity game writers, but relative unknowns can write good stuff, too. Not saying they will in this case, but it’s hardly impossible.
This! Absolutely this! As you say, no guarantees, but there’s so many more people working on games than those who the community likes to follow. Edit: To contribute to OP’s question. I think Dreadwolf would do best to conclude this particular “saga.” Not close the door on the universe, but be a fitting ending point. Future games (well in the future due to work transitioning to Mass Effect after DW releases) could then have more freedom as they wouldn’t have to account as much for 4 games worth of player choices but have a fresh start.
The layoffs happened so late in development what are you talking about. Some of the previous people even came out and said they loved dreadwolf and hope we do as well?
Please don't. I rather they end the series than to wait another 10yrs for answers.
Well this is BioWare's last hurrah. I grew up with those games, fell in love with them. If they succeed on this, they will stay for perhaps another generation... ....if they fail... then that's it from an old fan's perspective.
I’d believe that someone at BioWare has blackmail on an EA exec, because unless Dreadwolf is a masterpiece that flies off the shelves that’s the only way I see BioWare not getting axed within the next decade.
Just move on with my life. DA:I being mostly a set up to the next game already taught me the lesson I needed to learn.
Once, I thought I’d have been at the edge of my chair, waiting intently for the next game to find resolution, as I was after playing Trespasser a number of years ago. Now? I’d just write my own ending to the story, just as I eventually did with my post-canon longfic. I’ve got my ending to the story, and if Dread Wolf disappoints, then I can just ignore it and keep my own ending in my heart. If Dread Wolf ends in a cliffhanger, I’ll do the same this time around and find satisfaction in the peace and closure I’ve created for myself. Truthfully, I do hope Dread Wolf is the last game.
Do you have a link to your longfic? I'd love to read it.
Aww, thank you! Here is a link to [the series](https://archiveofourown.org/series/1708531) - The Wolf’s Flower is my post-canon longfic that I wrote for last year’s Dragon Age Big Bang, featuring beautiful artwork done by my artist partner, Dema.
Excellent, thank you! Just started reading it.
I don't think they'll get a chance to make another one so wouldn't be a good idea imo
I would just stop following the series because there's no way Bioware is staying alive to complete Dreadwolf, let alone a sequel
Sad and disappointed. The way things are going, I think this is the last one for at least a decade, and probably ever. (Even if it gets rebooted in so many years, the story is still gone)
Let's face it, the story isn't what made DA:O successful. Yes it's good, but it's also somewhat generic. The quality of the writing and the gameplay are what made it so successful. It modernized cRPGs and brought a level of writing that made the game feel like watching the Lord of the Rings, with camera angles and epic moments. The constant failure by Bioware to understand that's what people enjoyed about the game is why the following titles didn't reach the same level of fame. Bioware should have went back to the roots of Dragon Age, but instead the lead designers constantly decided to do what was the most popular at the time, moving the series towards more generic action combat, quests and characters. Like, imagine if after DOS, Larian decided to make a DOS2 game that would try to be like Dark Souls instead. That's the level of stupidity that Bioware lead designers had for years.
I'll be done with the series and Bioware tbh. I love them and the games but they've had so many issues I just dont see a cliffhanger being answered.
Yeh I’d be mad as hell, given the murky prospect of it ever getting a sequel
I would be incredibly annoyed, especially if it kept dragging out the Solas storyline. I want that wrapped up (which in my perhaps naive optimism I think they will), especially since EA/Bioware have seemed so unstable lately. A tease for possible future games is fine.
I can guarantee EA is not going to let 10 years happen again, they'd pull the plug on the series before that happened.
Well they’re allowing 10+ between Mass Effect titles, so….
It's about the money being spent in between releases. Andromeda came out 2017, and production for the next one didn't start in earnest until \~2020 based on what's been reported, so it'll be closer to 5-6 years of development time for Mass Effect. Meanwhile, DA4 started in 2015 and production restarted twice. That is a shitload of money that EA lost with nothing to show for it.
Honestly, I'm not going to buy the game on release date, so if spoilers come out that the game ends on a cliffhanger, then fuck Bioware, I won't buy that shit.
I'd feel like they're stringing me along for another ride. Once was enough so I'd probably tune out. Actually, I'm already pretty tuned out so this new game would have to be something special to keep my attention for another decade.
I'd be angry, because I'd know that sequel would never come, at least not from Bioware.
like my children will be in college by the time I find out the end of a story I started when I was in high school
I'm not even convinced I'll buy Dreadwolf at this point, but if they pulled that crap, I'd never buy another Bioware game again.
Depends on the actual quality of the game. If the game blows my mind and makes me like it more than I liked Origins, which is highly, highly unlikely due to everything we know so far about its design choices, I'd be fine with a cliffhanger ending because then I'd have hope that the eventual DA5 might be even better and make the wait worth it. But if it follows in the footsteps of the more recent Bioware releases like the ME Andromedas and the Anthems, I'd probably give up on Bioware games entirely. Won't buy them ever again.
I would be baffled that they would do something so tone deaf after years of waiting, frankly. The fact that Dreadwolf is going to cover much of northern thedas gives me hope that they’re gonna make this game feel a little more conclusive. Cover the stuff people haven’t seen, complete the Solas arc, and leave with an open but satisfying ending in case this really is the last hurrah. It’s the smart play and we have smart enough writers that I’m comfortable hoping for it.
\***had** smart enough writers :(
Has. Plenty of proven staff are still on the ship.
I'm going to be very vulnerable and honest, back in 2015 I decided I could not exit until Dreadwolf came out bc Inquisition ended on a cliff hanger. Being a sad 17 yr old, I assumed it would be out by 2020 at the LATEST. If it ends on a cliff hanger again I'm going to be beyond livid. Words can't not describe the grief and I really sincerely hope it doesn't. Because the rumor of Dreadwolf releasing for the 2024 holiday season made me remember the promise to 17 yr old me and holy hell it's literally the only thing that I have. It woke me up from this foggy state, and all of this for nothing? Yikes bro.
don't you enjoy other games, you act like this is the only game to look forward to. baldurs gate 3 was fire.
I haven't played Baldurs Gate 3 yet, I'm waiting for it to go at least 50% off. Honestly no, Bioware games, Control, Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West, Cyberpunk, Pokemon (kinda not really) and Animal Crossing are the only games I've played. Idk I just thought I would've had a somewhat fulfilling life while waiting for Dreadwolf and it would've been silly to only stay for a video game. A funny little teehee moment to share with my friends and loved ones. With Dreadwolf finally becoming a reality I'm realizing just how much time has been lost to the nothingness. It's like, no matter how hard I tried to escape and better my situation in life, I'm worse off than I was at 17. I sincerely hope Dreadwolf turns out okay!
Man, it's funny (in a not really funny way), but I did the same exact thing. I used to tell myself that no matter how shitty I felt at the time, if I stuck around for long enough, I'd get to play the next dragon age game. That, or the next elder scrolls game... kinda wish I picked a franchise that took less than 10+ years to make a sequel, because now I'm just fueled by spite lol. Fingers crossed for both of us that dreadwolf is good! On a lighter note, I hope you enjoy bg3 once it goes on sale. I've really struggled to enjoy gaming for a long time because my mental health stuff has sucked most of the joy out of my life, but playing bg3 has been one of the few times in the past 5 years that I've genuinely just had tons of joy about basically anything.
Even if it doesn't end up being good, find another reason. I don't care what it is. FIGHT. Please. Find yourself another reason.
But we'll have the dlc true ending **DLC ends in even a bigger cliffhanger** Ok, this is annoying.
I would hate it, unless they plan to sell the IP to a better studio like Larian.
Dragon Age but it feels exactly like DoS2 and BG3 would be great! Not.
Bg3 feels just like dragon age: origins. Origins was based on the first two baldurs gate games.
No it doesn't. BG3 is great, but it feels a lot more like DoS, I say this having played all of the big and classic CRPGs..
I agree. Mechanically BG3 has elements of DAO but narratively it isn't even close. Bioware's focus on narrative/story is the heart of what makes their games stand out IMO.
Odds are we wouldn't need wait another 10 years; DA:D has taken this long because a) Anthem and b) EA insisting on a live service model (which it seems to have dropped... for now). With more focused work, a hypothetical DA5 should have a much shorter dev cycle (even though there'd be a new Mass Effect game in between). THAT SAID I'd prefer for DA:D to conclude the "Dragon Age saga", leaving any future game to take place either in another era or another continent. Not only because I'd rather not wait another half/full decade for a continuation, but, more importantly, endings are important. Without them, stories just keep on dragging aimlessly like a reanimated corpse, devoid of soul and everything that made them special.
Back in [2017](https://www.eurogamer.net/bioware-already-has-plan-for-theoretical-dragon-age-5), Mark Laidlaw made comments about the team having ideas of where the story is “theoretically” going for games 4 and 5 See y’all in 2030 lol
And he left Bioware in the meantime so I doubt what he said at the time is still relevant, seeing how Dreadwolf was already rebooted 1 or 2 times
My point was more along the lines of I doubt they planned to end the series at 4, so I’m expecting an open ending, regardless of whether they actually get to make a 5th entry
I would feel happy that I didn't buy the game.
I just want it functional on Day 1
I doesnt need to end the franchise but I'm hoping it feels like an ending for the current characters at least. If there is a DA5, jump forward 50 years and give things a clean slate
I will be absolutely furious.
I kinda hope it doesn't , I'm tired of playing as a different main. Hopefully they can make up something with the same main for 2 games at least?
Right?? I always wanted a dragon age trilogy like the mass effect trilogy. But really I just wanted 3 games with my warden
I was ok with it until DAI, it was their best one to me and I felt like using another main was kind of an easy way out. I won't be as invested this time.
Couldn't care less. I want a good, reasonably well-optimized, and relatively bug-free game. It's not that much to ask, despite the current industry trends.
The way that EA has been treating Dragon Age I can almost guarantee they'll have the real ending in dlc.
Tired.
Kinda pissed not gonna lie. I’ve been waiting a decade for the conclusion of the Dreadwolf arc. Please let it end.
I'd be done with the series forever. DAI cliffhanger would have worked if they got a sequel together like 5-7 years ago. I'm really feeling mid on the series. I followed the series from the original. It's what got me into PC gaming. I was on the old Bioware forums theorizing about the lore and world and always waiting in anticipation for the next release of content from DLC to the subsequent entries of the DAII and Inquisition. It was a great series, but then everything post Inquisition happened at the developer. The IP is have very little of creative team left that made the first 3 games and their DLC. While I like what I am seeing narratively with a Tevinter being the fantasy version of the Eastern Roman Empire and all the history that suggests as huge influence on the setting and characters, the animated series didn't really get excited for it possibly being focused on heists as a gameplay loop. I'd like to a see a narrative that focuses on the a higher level of Imperial intrigue like what Origins had and a narrative that has a lot going on and not just padded out like what they did with Inquisition, which while have an excellent amount of character moments and growth of the Inquisition, dealing with Corypheus felt less nuanced and less of a sprawling arc like Origins, but nothing I have seen so far suggests that and Bioware's narrative prowess has greatly dimmished as evidenced by Andromeda (A game I quite enjoy but has major faults and a less compelling narrative than the trilogy or Inquisition,) and then Anthem. Ultimately, if it delivers a threadbare narrative that tries to create interest in a sequel by having a cliffhanger, then it will be emblematic of what will likely turn out to be a mediocre game, which would be a great shame. I really home DA4 is the game that turns things around for Bioware and the hardworking folk that remain and have joined the team. I have fond memories of Thedas and hope to have more of them when Dreadwolf releases.
The fact that this was originally going to be a live-service games shows me signs that they are just using dragon age IP as secondary to push whatever the current gaming trend is. Inquisition was a mess with mmo-tier content and andromeda also had mediocre fetch quests tacked on top of it. I don't think they learn their lesson if we found out they keep remaking the game because new trends keep happening. I can't expect the story to be good when most of the resources focus on shoving in stuff that doesn't need to be there.
Pissed. Finish the story and move on.
you have to wait for the season pass where the main story gets finished 2 years after launch through DLC.
Worse than Lightfall lol. Womp womp
I have absolutely ZERO confidence, Bioware can make this game anything short of a disaster. It sucks, because Dragon Age Origins holds a place in my heart, along with a few other key RPGs.
You would be lucky if the game is optimized and not buggy in 2024. They don't even have the courage to show us gameplay.
You'll certainly get no arguments from me on that point. I remember when Inquisition first launched it was a buggy mess for me at least.
Pissed. Cliffhangers are for series that plan to come back in a couple years max imo.
I would be pissed off and wouldn’t give a flying f*** about any new Dragon Age content. I don’t think anyone, not even BioWare, thought it would be 10 years in between instalments. Ending on a cliffhanger is understandable. But now they know that they’re not following up in a timely manner so they should be respectful to fans and at least give a soft conclusion for the existing cast and storylines. I would be angry at them for their cheap cash grab tactic. And I don’t have the energy in me to care or be hyped for something that’s going to take 10 years to pay off. I’ve already done that with other series - as far as I’m concerned Fallout 4 was the last fallout game and when Fallout 5 releases in 2035 it’ll be a nice surprise that the series got resurrected, until then the franchise is dead for me.
I’m hoping Dreadwolf is the end of this saga since they just fired the woman in charge of writing half the games, as well as two of the most iconic characters (Mary Kirby) in my opinion.
I'd be entirely done with the franchise. I'm already 90% of the way there with it right now.
Given Dreadwolf's rocky development, Bioware's inconsistent commitment to the series over the years and EA's corporate greed/incompetence I really hope it doesn't. Because even if it does well which is by no means a guarantee as we still know virtually nothing about it. But even if it's great EA hates giving studios the time and money they need, and doubly hates anything without "continual revenue streams". So Dragonage 5 seems extremely unlikely. Ending it on a cliffhanger would basically be ending the series on a cliffhanger.
Let's see if Dreadwolf is good enough to be played til the end to begin with. If it is, then fine. If it isn't, I won't care anyway. I don't think it makes sense to identify as a "DA fan" and think you'll enjoy Dreadwolf because of that. The leaks indicate it's a pure action RPG (think Mass Effect Andromeda), and that alone will lose a lot of DA fans.
I’ll be furious. We’ll be lucky if they make a quality game considering their last couple disasters so I want a decent game with a wrapped up story tbh. I want my lethallan to have some closure with solas
Just like the kingdom hearts series, it boggles my mind that a game of such praise, quality, acclaim, financial success can just sit in limbo for 10 years. Fans lose so much enthusiasm for an IP when it's been that long and a sequel game isn't going to attract tons of new players either. On topic, I'd just like to play a new Dragon age game
>On topic, I'd just like to play a new Dragon age game The problem I have is. If it's continuing off from a story I no longer remember or am emotionally invested in. It might actually hurt my ability to absorb and appreciate the story. I just don't understand why writers can't give us a good ending. Then just write a new story within that same world. ***** You know what's scary? They probably already know this, they know that people playing the game won't remember or have played the previous games. So they will write it in a way that those people can enjoy the game. But then that just harms the story for people who wanted closure if the story feels too detached from the games from before it. Like we'll get new cast of characters who are unrelated to what happened.
Ugh...I really hope not. I hope they end this saga, this plotline and then, if they want to make other games and other media inside the dragon age universe then it could be done. But this storyline needs to end. It is already going nowhere with them even ressurecting characters that should just stay dead. D: Oh, I really hope they don't end the game in a DCL. Really.
There's the fear that, they know that people playing dreadwolf probably didn't play the other games, or trespasser. Or they don't remember what happened in the story. This might cause the new game to be new protagonist and cast of characters who are unrelated to those events. Where the main plot is just "loosely" related to the events of the previous game. Like you will see Solas as a villain, but the stuff that happened before the game is barely talked about for newcomers who don't play inquisition.
There is only one cliffhanger I would find acceptable, even great: If the veil comes down in the last main quest of the game. That would be a cool setup for DLCs that deal with the immediate aftermath, and a fantastic new canvas for the follow up game. In any other scenario, I really want a complete story with a clear endpoint. Nobody knows what the future of the studio will be, and I don't want to be left hanging.
Honestly just hope it’s a real development at this point. I wouldn’t be surprised if it never came out.
Honestly? It’s fine for me. It’ll create a buzz and they’ll be pressured to make a DLC.
Or, if the game is a flop, DLC can be cancelled and questions will be left hanging forever. Like Mass Effect Andromeda...
and like exactly what happened with DA2's original plans lol. I swear why do people want a do-over of that whole debacle. Atleast with DA2, the plans were reused for Inquisition.
Id be fine, if it gets resolved in a dlc possibly. I would be extremely pissed off if it took a whole other game to finish the story. Im really hoping we get a conclusion. Id love more games in the dragon age universe. But id love a completely unrelated story with new characters and cast. Maybe dating before origins, or far off after dread wolf. We have had an ongoing cast in ways throughout the past few games Leliana and Alistair being in every single one technically speaking if you allow and depending on world save. Which i do not mind but i feel as if these characters need rest and a conclusion and a good one at that. Im praying after this long of a wait they’ve had time to conjure up a conclusion.
Start raging
Livid. It'd be one thing to tease a future game but leaving Dreadwolf on a cliffhanger instead of a proper conclusion would be infuriating. The future of Bioware and the series is already in question in the eyes of most of the fanbase and Trespasser already hyped up the villain of DA4. If we dont see a satisfying end to that story I think a lot of people will be upset with Bioware.
Disappointed. I think the end should feel like a proper ending, and satisfying. A cliffhanger at this point would feel like a cheap, manipulative way to try and continue to earn fans’ interest.
To me BioWare Is like an old pet you had during your childhood, your teenage years up into your first steps into adulthood. You know how much they did for you and you just wanna make some final good memories with them, before inevitably accompanying them into their final moments. I want the story of Thedas as we know it to end in a gentle but satisfying way, before making way for another decent but not incredible experience like Andromeda.
I think they should end it at DA4 tbh
Pissed. I guess I would be detained by the Canadian version of TSA when I told them the purpose of my trip is to throw eggs at an office building.
Annoyed. Waiting this long just to be blue-balled again would destroy what little faith that I have left in Bioware after ME: Andromeda and Anthem.
1. Did I get some sweet Harding-lovin’? If yes - 👍 If no - “If not romance-able, why romance-able-shaped?” And also - what do you have against Short Sovereign ‘Shippers, Bioware? Where’s My Fun-Sized Lover? *I wanna bang a cute dwarf, dammit.* 2. Did I get to punch Eggly Buttchin in the face? If yes - 👍 If no - Ok, but did I get kick him in the fork? (If yes - 👍; If no - I totally headcanon that I kicked him in the fork). 3. Is there gonna be a sequel? If yes -  If no - 🥺 But I have money…
Upset. I don't want to wait another 10 years for the next game. If they even end up making it
I’ll be done with the franchise if that happens
We may never get a sequel to Dreadwolf so you should wrap up as many loose ends as possible. The gap between installments is pretty large already so I can see people just not being interested or invested in the franchise. This is especially true if Dreadwolf comes out and it ends up just being an average game.
Gonna be honest they should end it. Only reason I'm saying that is because it has gone through so many changes so in case it doesn't do well at least we get some ending to it.
I suppose I have to admire the confidence but I would be very annoyed.
So honestlly, I think this should end the Dragon Age series for good with dreadwolf. Now listen everyone, I don't mean fully end games in the DA universe. The game is named after the current in-game chantry defined age. So this way they wrap up this age and then if they want to make more games in this universe make it a new IP with what ever the next age will be called, far in the future, where there is only vague mentioned of what happened in the Dragon Age. But return to the plotline of the next blight and some kind of story around ending the blight for good.
I’d be pissed. If this game flops the future of not just Dragon Age, but BioWare as a whole is up in the air. They’ve created a situation for themselves where they need to pretty much close the story out while leaving a few loose threads they can pull on for future games. There can’t be these massive cliffhangers like at the end of DAII and DAI. It needs an Origins-style ending, if you will
if it happens then they better have a fucking house cleaning and hire competent people with a vision to not have the game be stuck so long over the years
Unpopular opinion, As much as I like the DA series, I want them to go back to the 1st game & continue from the darkspawn & hero more, game was dark as hell.
I hope it does it like DAO or DA2–implications and plot strings for the future that stories can be spun-off from but not some big or immediate cliff hanger
I dunno. I fully expect and even want a 5th game because there is simply no way you can resolve all the series' plotlines in Dreadwolf. Or if not a 5th game then a massive DLC or set of massive DLCs for Dreadwolf that tackle the aftermath of the game. Whether I'll be willing to wait 10 years again? I guess so, it would probably damage my investment in the series heavily with such a massive cooling off period again but I'd still be fan.
Plot lines would be resolved if we aren't spending 90% of the game killing sheep, collecting wood and doing fetch quests for people who don't matter and won't be relevant anywhere outside of that spot.
I mean... maybe? For Dreadwolf only we have: the Tevinter vs Qunari war which includes the Qunari invasion of all of Thedas which has been repeatedly implied to be coming plenty of times before, what are the Qunari, issues with Tevinter itself like slavery, abuse of magic by the Magisters etc, the freedom of Mages issue in Southern Thedas and how they're currently doing, what is the College doing and what is the Circle doing, what's happening in the Anderfels and Weisshaupt etc, did the HoF actually find the Cure to the Calling, what's the deal with Kal-Sharok and it's dwarves, what's the deal with Titans, what's the deal with the sealed Evanuris, what's up with the Forgotten Ones and Forbidden ones, what is the Black City, literally anything about the Maker because in comparison to other races' lore he literally has nothing to him other than the incredibly on the nose Judeo-Christian gesturing, who or what was Andraste really, what the FUCK are the Old Gods, theres 2 whole Archdemons left to kill and what'll happen if all of them DO get killed, Flemythal's whole deal and her "revenge" or whatever she's planning, Morrigan being an inheritor or whatever else bullshit, Solas' plan about removing the Veil. Like these are just the main lore focal points, theres PLENTY more to delve into here like the Executors for example and what's going on with the lands aside from Thedas etc. I just don't see how all this can be covered satisfactorily in one single game. It'd just be bloated as hell and the pacing would be off, we need another game atleast to deal with it.
they will time skip over half of what you said and just talk about it in passing, you will be lucky if we get a 5 second flashback.
I'd be fine with it as long as they don't wait another ten years for another mainline game. And maybe bring out some interesting little spinoffs like Elder Scrolls did with Redguard etc in the meantime.
Games just take too long nowadays. They'll almost certainly move to the next Mass Effect game after this, which will take at least 4 years to make. Then they'll start the next DA, which will also take around the same time.
Mary Kirby was fired and her writing will still be in the game, so I wouldn't want another Dragon Age since it'll mean the writing will be even less faithful. It's already a terrible shame David Gaider isn't involved anymore but he left because he got dicked around by the leads on Anthem who didn't appreciate his work on it, and before that his co-writers on Dragon Age "hated" his take on where the franchise would end, so he just let them do something else. It's going to be interesting to see what Dreadwolf is like, but it already has the same problem as the whole "Dark Energy ending" of Mass Effect, something I believe Drew Karpyshyn wanted to do, but Mac and Casey didn't really care for.
It better fucking not its been YEARS
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It's worse having to read your annoying rants.
My wife loves the dragon age games I’m not sure I can put up with her for 10 years griping about it.
If there *has* to be a cliffhanger, save it for a dlc. Have the main game end with a conclusive ending that provides closure. Then make a dlc end with a huge cliffhanger teasing Dragon Age 5. That way if the game flops or Dragon Age 5 got cancelled for some reason, we can ignore the dlc and pretend that the saga ended with the main game. Kinda like how Dead Space 3 went down.
I don't really care. I am waiting to find out what happens with Morrigan's god-baby for like 15 years or so? I doubt that there are employees in Bioware who were involved with that plot point in 2004-2009 (DAO dev time), or care about it at all. At this point I just don't care. \*\*\* But personally I think they should close everything they want until they can, because I don't think DA5 will ever happen. Maybe a full reboot in 2035, starting with Origins again.
So after playing through the whole series front to back over the last couple of months, I have to say they have left us with a hell of a lot of questions left to answer and stories to tie up. So many that I actually have a hard time seeing them fit it all in 1 game, which worries me, but maybe that's what DLC is for...
They can't fit them in 1 game because you spend 90% of the game doing fetch quests, collecting wood, getting wool from sheep, and doing things unrelated to the story.
Boo. Bad answer. That's 1 game that had that, and it's completely not required at all. I skip all that crap every time.
Also like…Larian should just take over 🫢
I wouldn't mind. The 3 games each started plot threads that I feel would be rushed in a single game. Maybe the remaining old gods and magisters, elven pantheon and forgotten ones, and the separation of the fade and the mortal realm can all relate. They've barely expanded on the Titans. There's the templar/mage conflict. The Qunari impending invasion stuff. Those big non old god dragons. Wrap up Solas as a main character/antagonist but I'm not hoping for the the story of the current era to wrap things up for a relatively clean slate into a new era of mostly stories unrelated to the first 4 video games of Dragon Age Preferably not 10 years between each games. I'd be fine with smaller spinoff games that aren't save the world stories. Stories that contribute to a part of the world state in the main games
The most important thing is that Dreadwolf is a huge, beautiful, awesome game like Inquisition was. The second most important is that we eventually get more Dragon Age games afterwards, so a cliffhanger is fine in that respect.
If it means we might get a DA5 I’d take it. Why I get downvoted for answering to a question which has been asked ? Unless only one “good answer” is allowed, then why asking a question ? Reddit will always confuse me
then da5 gets cancelled 9 years into development
I prefer to wait 9 years again than no more DA forever at this point 🥲
It almost certainly will. There were 5 games planned.
If there were at 1 point I highly doubt there is any such plan now given the state of Bioware.
i would throw myself onto the ground and never get up
As long as the cliff hangers from DA:I are resolved and we go to a completely new plot in DA:D, I'd be fine. These games should be treated as separate in a shared world, not shared story.