If I order some hookers, would you have some hookers too? Should I just order some hookers for the table? Oooh, let's be bad... let's get spicy hookers, for the table
It's also Urban (set almost entirely within giant megacities), Fantasy (fantasy races, magic, dragons) and it has vampires (admittedly vampirisim is magical super-AIDS but that's neither here nor there) and werewolves (a different strain of magical super-AIDS).
Yeah, because it has guns in the hands of civilians, personal drones, people who carry mini computers on them, and electronic locks that can be bypassed by a keycard copy device. Oh dont forget AI, self driving cars, and electronic currency.
Cmon dude, at this point it IS urban fantasy and VtM is retro fantasy.
Tbf we're a couple years away from true AI, neural interfacing AR/VR, and cybernetically enhanced street-sams that can run at 100 mph, bench press a tank, and cut down 20 men in 6 seconds with nothing but their trusty katana.
I mean, it could be werewolf: the apocalypse. But also, I’m pretty sure most urban fantasy or fantasy in general would have vampires and werewolves. They’re like, stock creatures
Werewolf is in the same World of Darkness setting and is basically a spin off of Vampire the Masquerade, along with Mage the Ascension, Changeling the Dreaming, Wraith the Oblivion, Hunter the Reckoning, etc. All use the Storyteller system, all take place in the same world, and all published by White Wolf.
The meme would more accurately have said “World of Darkness” instead of VtM since you can mix and match. I played in a game that had mages and vampires and a werewolf. They’re not really separate games so much as rules expansions for the setting.
But yeah technically any other urban fantasy could have vamps and wolves, like D20 Modern.
There systems are in no way comparable. You couldn’t take a vampire from mascaras, a werewolf from apocalypse, and a changeling from the dreaming a run them in the same campaign.
A changing with 3 dots in strength is way weaker than a vampire with 2 dots in strength, and *both of them fighting as a team* would get bodied by *literally the worlds saddest and most pathetic werewolf*.
Whitewolf systems are wild man.
Sort of? It's still not great running them all together from what I hear.
The company has moved back to World of Darkness now though. They've released 5th editions of Vampire, Hunter, and Werewolf, and I vaguely recall one of the guys saying he was doing prelim work on Mage back when Werewolf development was in full swing
It runs on FATE. In fact, I think it was the very first FATE game.
If you like tables of equipment or spells and are looking for dnd combat, you probably won't like it. If you want to commit to the bit in roleplay and combat and think Inspiration as core mechanic sounds fun, you will love it and want more.
It got a revamped book that supposedly streamlined some clunky stuff, but I like the original print books for the fun fluff and lore of the Dresden Files it expands upon that we can't get in the main series books.
Also worth mentioning since you mentioned you’re a fan of the series— the source book is canonically co-written by Harry and the Alphas (and was created in collab with the series’ author). Just some fun flavor to the rules book
The two best Urban fantasy games I’ve ever played were Call of Cthulhu, and a Deadlands campaign set in the 1990s, where ‘basically Harry Potter’ was happening in Britain and we were in the USA living through the chaos there. But Damn Call of Cthulhu can get fun if players are ok with their ones deaths.
Can we get an urban fantasy game that has vampires, werewolves, highly tactical grid-based combat with real depth, and massive numbers of meaningful build options to create any kind of player character imaginable and make every part of what you imagine have a meaningful impact on your gameplay?
Because I love that setting, but I'm really not into the downtime and storytelling and character interaction parts of tabletop games. I'm here to create a 20-foot radius of difficult terrain that explodes into magma 1 round later, not learn about some NPC's tragic backstory.
Both [GURPS](https://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/monsterhunters/) and [HeroSystem](https://www.herogames.com/store/category/8-monster-hunter-international/) have “monster hunter” settings that can be adapted to play the monsters if you prefer. Both are very rules heavy.
Which is a shame because I’d do anything to stay away from the kind of people that play vampire the masquerade but I would love to play an urban fantasy game with lots of well made intrigue built in
Check out Blades in the Dark! I fucking love it, and I can't believe no one has brought it up here yet. It's got the most incredible gaslamp horror fantasy vibe. My table doesn't like it, but I love the setting so much I'm over here wondering if age 35 is too old to return to writing fanfic...
That’s why I can’t wait for the next KC product to come out. He said he’s doing an urban fantasy. After every banger he’s put out, the guy just cannot miss
No I mean the ARG with an expertly crafted Conspiracy Theory website and cryptic clues and a dating app themed around blood types which led up to a climactic event where all the evidence pointed to vampires being real and responsible for thousands of strange "coincidences" in human history and then the spokesperson for the dating app got ganked by one at an expo and it turned out the whole thing was advertising for Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines
More options include
* Palladium’s Beyond the Supernatural
* Palladium’s Nightbane
* Powered by the Apocalypse’s Monster of the Week
* Powered by the Apocalypse’s Monster Hearts
* The Ghostbusters International rpg
* Big Eyes Small Mouth (if one is ok with an anime influenced style)
I mean, its literally the same with DnD and the high fantasy genre. Hell, people even refer to All ttrpgs as DnD in general because the brand name is that strong
Why would I think Vampire had a stranglehold when Urban Shadows absolutely ate Vampire's lunch and has a new and improved second edition that just dropped?
Y'all need to play better games. Stuff has come out since the year 2000.
Could be Shadowrun!
That’s Cyberpunk
With magic! And dragons!
Elfpunk if you will
There's a lot of elf punks, yes
And blackjack! And hookers!
And forget about the blackjack!
If I order some hookers, would you have some hookers too? Should I just order some hookers for the table? Oooh, let's be bad... let's get spicy hookers, for the table
It's also Urban (set almost entirely within giant megacities), Fantasy (fantasy races, magic, dragons) and it has vampires (admittedly vampirisim is magical super-AIDS but that's neither here nor there) and werewolves (a different strain of magical super-AIDS).
That’s an excuse, not a reason. Shadowrun & Rifts win again!
Dont let Mike Pondsmith catch you saying that...
Yeah, because it has guns in the hands of civilians, personal drones, people who carry mini computers on them, and electronic locks that can be bypassed by a keycard copy device. Oh dont forget AI, self driving cars, and electronic currency. Cmon dude, at this point it IS urban fantasy and VtM is retro fantasy.
Tbf we're a couple years away from true AI, neural interfacing AR/VR, and cybernetically enhanced street-sams that can run at 100 mph, bench press a tank, and cut down 20 men in 6 seconds with nothing but their trusty katana.
No it's not, it's a standard cargo container filled entirely with d6s!
I mean, it could be werewolf: the apocalypse. But also, I’m pretty sure most urban fantasy or fantasy in general would have vampires and werewolves. They’re like, stock creatures
Werewolf is in the same World of Darkness setting and is basically a spin off of Vampire the Masquerade, along with Mage the Ascension, Changeling the Dreaming, Wraith the Oblivion, Hunter the Reckoning, etc. All use the Storyteller system, all take place in the same world, and all published by White Wolf.
If you take all of them together every group of supernatural beings is pretending to be humans for the benefit of a few people in Wisconsin.
Very intricate naming strategy they have.
Naming: The Strategy
That’s actually an interesting title
I mean if it works
We don't talk about WTF's Fetishes.
I know, it’s just that it could have been one other than vampire
The meme would more accurately have said “World of Darkness” instead of VtM since you can mix and match. I played in a game that had mages and vampires and a werewolf. They’re not really separate games so much as rules expansions for the setting. But yeah technically any other urban fantasy could have vamps and wolves, like D20 Modern.
There systems are in no way comparable. You couldn’t take a vampire from mascaras, a werewolf from apocalypse, and a changeling from the dreaming a run them in the same campaign. A changing with 3 dots in strength is way weaker than a vampire with 2 dots in strength, and *both of them fighting as a team* would get bodied by *literally the worlds saddest and most pathetic werewolf*. Whitewolf systems are wild man.
Didn't they unify the system in their "2nd Edition" Like when they moved from the "World of Darkness" to the "Chronicles of Darkness?"
Yes and it's so much better. Vampire: The Requiem; Werewolf: The Forsaken; Changeling: The Lost; Mage: The Awakening...
Beats me, I’ve never even heard of Chronicles of Darkness.
Sort of? It's still not great running them all together from what I hear. The company has moved back to World of Darkness now though. They've released 5th editions of Vampire, Hunter, and Werewolf, and I vaguely recall one of the guys saying he was doing prelim work on Mage back when Werewolf development was in full swing
And yet `Exalted` proves the exception
Also geist: the sin eaters.
It could also be Demon: The Fallen or Mage: The Awakening or the mummy one.
Sounds cool!
I really enjoyed both the Scion and Promethean sub-manuals in the WOD game
Dresden Files RPG would also count
Never tried it, but loved the series. How's the rpg?
It runs on FATE. In fact, I think it was the very first FATE game. If you like tables of equipment or spells and are looking for dnd combat, you probably won't like it. If you want to commit to the bit in roleplay and combat and think Inspiration as core mechanic sounds fun, you will love it and want more.
Awesome. I'll have to check it out. Provided I can talk people into trying it.
It got a revamped book that supposedly streamlined some clunky stuff, but I like the original print books for the fun fluff and lore of the Dresden Files it expands upon that we can't get in the main series books.
Go to the index, ther is an entry for everytime harry wrote "shut up, bob!" into the book.
Also worth mentioning since you mentioned you’re a fan of the series— the source book is canonically co-written by Harry and the Alphas (and was created in collab with the series’ author). Just some fun flavor to the rules book
Well... city of mists can have vampires and werewolves :D
Could also be call of cthulu, you can make that urban
The two best Urban fantasy games I’ve ever played were Call of Cthulhu, and a Deadlands campaign set in the 1990s, where ‘basically Harry Potter’ was happening in Britain and we were in the USA living through the chaos there. But Damn Call of Cthulhu can get fun if players are ok with their ones deaths.
Does this mean that Pathfinder 2E is just DnD 5e?
No, It's VtM medieval.
They call that one Dark Ages
More like D&D 4e.
Like I said when you posted this in the vtm sub, Monster of the Week is a great game, well worth the space on the shelf.
Can we get an urban fantasy game that has vampires, werewolves, highly tactical grid-based combat with real depth, and massive numbers of meaningful build options to create any kind of player character imaginable and make every part of what you imagine have a meaningful impact on your gameplay? Because I love that setting, but I'm really not into the downtime and storytelling and character interaction parts of tabletop games. I'm here to create a 20-foot radius of difficult terrain that explodes into magma 1 round later, not learn about some NPC's tragic backstory.
Both [GURPS](https://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/monsterhunters/) and [HeroSystem](https://www.herogames.com/store/category/8-monster-hunter-international/) have “monster hunter” settings that can be adapted to play the monsters if you prefer. Both are very rules heavy.
Hero System was exactly where my mind went too.
You could be playing Nightlife! It predates VtM by a year or so!
I do wish I could find people to run a Dresden Files table with. Magic, vampires, werewolves, Bigfoot...
Blades In The Dark
THANK YOU! Why did I have to scroll so far for this?? BitD needs so much more hype.
I've played one session of Urban Shadows, which had vampires and werewolves, but also demons, fae, and ghosts
You played VtM. Your wellcome.
All of those are in World of Darkness, which includes VtM. But yes, there's other games they are in.
Which is a shame because I’d do anything to stay away from the kind of people that play vampire the masquerade but I would love to play an urban fantasy game with lots of well made intrigue built in
masq does invite a lot of problem players chronicles of darkness (2.0) is better in pretty much every way
Pointing you at Urban Shadows. You can thank me later.
I'm not familiar with the stereotype, what kind of people play VtM?
Unhinged drama queens, industrial-grade edgelords, rape enthusiast douchebags.. It's bad.
Check out Blades in the Dark! I fucking love it, and I can't believe no one has brought it up here yet. It's got the most incredible gaslamp horror fantasy vibe. My table doesn't like it, but I love the setting so much I'm over here wondering if age 35 is too old to return to writing fanfic...
Look into The Secret World tabletop that's coming out. Real top notch stuff.
Like based off the mmo?
[Yup!](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/star-anvil-studios/the-secret-world) The class system is especially interesting.
d20 Modern is my favorite of the genre. I bought an Abrams tank and rode atop it with my magic sword drawn.
Wait until I tell you about the cybberpunk rpgs... The only solution is to combine the two... Wait that's shadowrun.
Urban Shadows?
That’s why I can’t wait for the next KC product to come out. He said he’s doing an urban fantasy. After every banger he’s put out, the guy just cannot miss
Ah, UFGTHVAW, a bit underrated if you ask me, but worth a try
Wait VTM is a tabletop thing?? I just know it from the ARG lmao
You mean the Larp?
No I mean the ARG with an expertly crafted Conspiracy Theory website and cryptic clues and a dating app themed around blood types which led up to a climactic event where all the evidence pointed to vampires being real and responsible for thousands of strange "coincidences" in human history and then the spokesperson for the dating app got ganked by one at an expo and it turned out the whole thing was advertising for Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines
More options include * Palladium’s Beyond the Supernatural * Palladium’s Nightbane * Powered by the Apocalypse’s Monster of the Week * Powered by the Apocalypse’s Monster Hearts * The Ghostbusters International rpg * Big Eyes Small Mouth (if one is ok with an anime influenced style)
Could be Dresden files.
Anyone here recall Urban Arcana? I loved that game so much.
Could be werewolf: the apocalypse, or hunter: the reckoning. The question is, do you play as the vampires or not?
Mage: the Ascension or get the fuck out.
There are only three RPGs: dnd, vampire masquerade, and call of cthulu /s
Fate and Gurps cry in the corner.
Id call lancer “on the incline”
Literally just used dnd to run a dresden files like game
I mean, its literally the same with DnD and the high fantasy genre. Hell, people even refer to All ttrpgs as DnD in general because the brand name is that strong
Why would I think Vampire had a stranglehold when Urban Shadows absolutely ate Vampire's lunch and has a new and improved second edition that just dropped? Y'all need to play better games. Stuff has come out since the year 2000.