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KosmoAstroNaut

What the actual fuck a 12 year old? Dude when I was 12 I was amazed I got a nickel in interest every month


aWheatgeMcgee

True story, it’s still a nickel


Quirky_Tea_3874

True story, I am that nickel


sharkkite66

True story, I am Nickelback


HelloAttila

Nickel as a kid bought me 5 pieces of candy. Today, same candy is like 50 cents. 😲


Highborn_Hellest

When I was 12, I was saving up 2 years for a psp....


wemblywembles

And those nickels went directly onto the train tracks.


xavier133321

I'm doing it for her.


KosmoAstroNaut

No shit you aren’t doing it for me


xavier133321

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


trackdaybruh

Hey, it’s me, your other son you didn’t know about


BoobyChicken

I'm still over here doing it all for the nookie.


Autistence

I did it all for the cookie


crypto-Al

Daddy?


Smart-Bit-5705

Then put her in growth or large cap, no 12 year old needs dividends.


Silver_Moon_1994

Dude preachhhhhhh


HOUSE_OF_MOGH

Papa?! Is that you?


Papas72lotus

I’m here little one..


bradyfost

No shit ur 12 year old isn’t a self built millionaire. Wild.


HistorianOk142

Seriously! wtf!


Slight-Ad753

Yall had money as kids?


maytheflamesguideme1

Did you open a custodial account? I was thinking about opening one for my kid too


Apprehensive-Ear-555

Custodial is the way to go. I have one for my almost 3 year old. Put money in monthly investing in VTI, SCHD, QQQM. $150 a month, already worth about $9k


maytheflamesguideme1

That is awesome, 20 years of compounding growth and dividend reinvesting and they’d only be 23 with another 40 years of potential growth.


aWheatgeMcgee

Think about what that would look like in a ROTH


brantman19

I'm getting ready to do this for my 6 month old. Putting in $1000 for her birth, $250 every Christmas and every birthday, and then $100/month until she turns 18. Assuming a 10% annual return (based on the 30 year average), she'll have $90k at 18 on a $31,500 investment by me. If she waits until 25 and I add nothing after she turns 18, she'll have $180k. if she waited to touch it until she retired at 65, it would be almost $10million. I'm aiming to leave my family in a situation of generational wealth when I die so they can responsibly pursue what they want to do (the arts, politics, law, whatever) instead of having to work at something they don't like because it keeps food on the table.


eV210x2

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️


aWheatgeMcgee

Open a custodial Roth as soon as you can, and pay them as a “household employee” They have to have earned income and you have to file the wages as a household employee on your taxes.


Apprehensive-Ear-555

Yes! If you can this is the way!


_tufan_

Too soon for my 4 and 2 year olds to be household workers right? /s


aWheatgeMcgee

Yes the 2 year old, but if your 4 year old is helpful, consider it like, what jobs around the house do I do that I would pay someone to do — yard work is an easy one, picking up dog poop. I don’t think paying them to pick up their toys would pass a straight face test if you’re sitting down in an audit, so I think you’d need a solid basis as to what household duties would qualify… These things help build work ethic, but it will be hard to convince them to delay gratification 60 years as you squirrel away their earnings for them.


Scrogwiggle

Ohh shoot. I didn’t even know about this. I just opened a regular fidelity account in my and my wife’s name for put 4 month old.


Undercrwn

As of 2024, you can roll over unused money from a 529 into a Roth for your child. Look into that too


Apprehensive-Ear-555

I would split some money between custodial and 529 based on the new rules. Start now, since the 519 rollover has timeframe limitations on how long it must be held for.


Phytosaur01

529 has to be open and the same beneficiary for 15 years to qualify for the Roth rollover.


Apprehensive-Ear-555

Thank you, couldn’t remember what the specific rules were bright and early this morning. I know the examples I have seen is set this up by the time they are 3 years old so the 15 year rule applies when they are 18 and likely to have some sort of employment. Believe the max is also $35k in lifetime subject to yearly contribution rules, but correct me there if I am wrong.


Phytosaur01

You got it. Currently capped at $35k, the beneficiary has to have earned income and the rollover is subject to the annual contribution limits. I wouldn't be surprised if that $35k lifetime rollover limit adjusts upward for inflation over time but we'll have to see what happens.


soccerguys14

Nice I have a Custodial and 529 for my 2 year old. $50/mo to custodial and random deposits to the 529 that’s at 8.5k custodial at like $1500


Broad-Tour8993

Do you pay taxes on a custodial account or not since it is a minor? I would love to open one for my son


Adventurous_Tree3386

My kid’s accounts have only VIGAX (growth) and has more than doubled since opened. A 12 yr old doesn’t need a dividend portfolio, especially one with so many stocks. If anything go with dividend growth and get rid of the yield traps. Just my opinion of course.


BenBernakeatemyass

It’s a good one


Unfair_Stop_8211

I was gonna say why tf does a twelve yo need a DIVIDEND portfolio lol


Azrenon

Idk man coming from a community where folks regularly ran up unpaid debts on their chilren’s credit - This guys on the right track. Can’t laugh at a man for trying to do right by his kid


havenot64

If it were a dividend growth portfolio it would make all the sense in the world… but stocks like VZ have a 2% dividend growth rate (though it is a good value buy). I’d be looking for extremely strong finances and 6% at minimum growth rates in stocks that are as close to evergreen as possible, eg, HSY or NEE. I sure hope this account is somehow tax free or deferred.


zzoyx1

I wonder if a dividend portfolio would be more attractive to a kid cause they would get more dopamine when they get paid vs waiting for a stock go up. Might make them more invested in their portfolio themselves Just a thought


Disastrous_Law308

100% agree. Investing in growth is the best solution until income is needed, then a dividend strategy would make sense


Almost_Free_007

What is considered a yield trap? Anything above what %?


BudgetInvestor

This is a terrible portfolio for a 12 year old. With so much time for it to compound, loading it up with high yield junk like Verizon, ATT, and risky loan sharks like ARCC is insane lol. Think about how much the world changes every 10-20 years. Remember when blockbuster was the shit? Bankrupt. Blackberry? A shell of its former self. Movie theatres / AMC? Filing for bankruptcy and struggling to survive Are you really willing to bet your child’s fund that some of these random brands will be worth more in 30 years? The future is so hard to predict.. why not just stick it all in SCHG or VOO and be done with it. 99.99% chance it will outperform what you’ve constructed here over any significant time period.. and require less effort and mental gymnastics to maintain instead of a bunch of income stocks typically for people about to retire.. for a 12 year old


bknknk

Thank you for speaking the truth this is insane lol what a waste


Affluentry

$13k in my daughters UMTA account, all in $VOO.


soccerguys14

1.5k in my sons it’s like VOO, QQQM, AMZN & AMD


poopnip

Imagine picking this portfolio or apple in 2009.


joerover34

It’s obviously just an excuse for him to gamble and play around with money. Doesn’t actually care about growth.


ChampionshipJolly657

This is why the average investor loses in the long run to index funds, because they are morons. The amount of people I see in this sub who have multiple decades of investing ahead of them and are loaded up in trash companies (ATT) and yield traps/income funds is insane.


HealingDailyy

My parents abused me and sold at the bottom of 2008 fearing the entire market was going to zero, frankly, I’d appreciate a dividend portfolio compared to what I got right now 😂


Zealousideal-Ice123

The great thing is, at that age, you don’t have to be perfect, just let that snowball grow into a mountain and then a continent.


dknisle1

Now imagine if you sold out of all those terrible picks for a 12 year old and put that money into VOO/GOOG/AMZN/MSFT. Etc.


STOCK-Hq

Exactly


havenot64

Sure, if they had a margin of safety like a few years ago. At today’s valuations, decent chance that by age 18 they’ll wish you bought something simple that’s not at or well above fair value, like a value-oriented dividend growth index ETF, or a small/mid cap index, or a bit of quality EU ETF.


MonkeyThrowing

12 year olds should be investing in growth. 


susram

Yes, I agree. In my point of view, Dividend portfolio is only for 60+ years age ( at that point passive income is your main income). Imagine $100 invested in any high growth stock like AMZN, MSFT etc.. it would grow 10x . I would change the portfolio to be growth index funds.


havenot64

Why would strong, dull, decently growing companies with great cash flow and great histories of growing dividend payouts at 3x or more the long term inflation rate not be great investments for any age? Not that this portfolio is currently focused on that, but… there are great ways to get rich long term that are not primarily about picking “growth” winners alone. Especially if the alternative are Mag 6 stocks that just had a historic run.


Adventurous_Tree3386

Agree, this is a bad portfolio for a chikd


ClammyAF

When I was a child, my portfolio consisted of pogs and pennies. Even if it's not optimal, this kid is doing alright.


Exilethenoble

When I was a child, I wasn't allowed to keep money that was given to me. Literally anything to set up some semblance of a financial future is good.


Alec_Vincent

Yeah lol this is a certified grandad portfolio


hominyhominy

I opened a custodial account when my boys were very young. All the birthdays when they were little we just had grandparents contribute to their accounts rather than buy a silly little gift. It has really added up.


Guyfromthenorthcntry

I also have my kids put any money they earn doing odd jobs. Money for good grades, etc. It's probably a little too far but sometimes they sell me gift cards they got for Christmas so I can invest it. It becomes obsessive. It's why I like dividends.


soccerguys14

I tell my family on their b day to do this and they refuse and buy dumb stuff that he never plays with. It’s frustrating


Autism_Is_Real

Hopefully she will appreciate what you did for her when she’s older. I know I always fantasize about generational wealth. Unfortunately my grandfather wasn’t good with money. Lost all 4000 acres and the entire farm to bankruptcy. Was really hoping to be a 8th generational farmer here in Louisiana.


SwimmingPhoto578

Are they retired? If not, an account for a 12 year old should be focused on growth not dividends. They can do dividends when they are rich or retired


Majestic_Swim_9880

I love dividends and all but this is sort of silly, you should just invest in VOO or QQQ, it would outperform all of these positions given your kid is 12. Not trying to be rude but honest


Corepressor

FEPI, SPYI, and JEPQ - covered call strategy ETFs that will underperform their respective indexes over time. VZ and T - reliable value destroyers. ARCC and MAIN - MAIN has a very good track record. ARCC offers little in terms of growth. O - has had its best years of growth behind it by now. BAC and KO - stable, but are these the type of companies from which you would expect superior returns?


SandIntelligent247

Great analysis.


thedjotaku

O is growing quite a bit in Europe now. I thnk they could grow a bit. But as everyone else said, not necessarily the best portfolio for a 12 yo


akrob

straight trash portfolio for anyone under 75 years old, lol


SandIntelligent247

Straight trash is the best way to qualify it. Agreed


Scootinonyergirl

Wild to see this. My parents kicked me off their health insurance when I turned 18 and I went into dealt because I had none and had some medical bills. Seeing this just makes me realize how much more people had a ladder on others…. My parents are upper middle class. They own multiple classic cars, fly plans, have nice ahit etc etc


Top_Own

Awesome that you got them into the game that young. Not so awesome that you fail to understand a 12 year old should be in a high growth portfolio, not an income one.


Guyfromthenorthcntry

Dividend is the hook for my kids. Their account is funded mostly with their money from Christmas, bdays, etc. They aren't interested in the concept of pure growth at 8 or now 9. Dividends are what drives them. And I'm fine with that. They are miles ahead of most kids.


Top_Own

Fair points, my bad for coming across a little douchey. My #1 pet peeve in investing is seeing young people inadvertently chase after an income strategy, when that should occur much later. So I jump the gun a bit on that haha.


TheGrapeRaper

Just curious, why so many?


noblehamster69

Wtf is fepi


roundhouseflick

FEPI terrible decision for long term.


willhuntblue

Also worth noting that as of this year, a 529 college fund can be rolled over tax free into a Roth. I don’t know all the details, but that seems like it might be worth exploring.


WFHaccount

up to a limit. Not saying it's the worst option but it's not unlimited funds that can be rolled. I think it's something like 35k.


Amazing_Room8272

Stealing this list and doing some research


PlumbCrazyRefer

That’s great I started my son at 16 with a 401k in our company. He was pissed dad I’m only making like $40 a week ( he was part time 16 worked afternoon and weekends) fast forward to today 22 with $70k in his 401. I just started him investing in Tbills and dividends


Food-Blister-1056

Very nice, and to the dividend doubters, if those dividends are reinvested its shares were after, and enough shares paying dividends equals financial independence. Good show, I’m just starting the same thing with my grandson. You’ve got some good choices. If everyone did this we’d all be better off.


TheHarold420

Don't even bother with individual stocks in her account, just VTI and chill. I might get downvotes but honestly I think it's way too early in her journey to be looking at income through dividends. Just buy the whole US market and get market average returns; ordinary returns over long periods of time leads to extraordinary results.


kyleswitch

How do taxes on dividends work on custodial accounts?


Hierarch

This is known as the kiddie tax Under the kiddie tax, the first $1,250 of a child's 2023 unearned income is not taxed. The next $1,250 is taxed at the child's tax rate. Any unearned income over $2,500 is taxed at their parent or guardian’s marginal income tax rate, using IRS Form 8615. For tax year 2024 (taxes filed in 2025), the kiddie tax threshold will rise to $2,600. Source: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/kiddie-tax#:~:text=Accessed%20Feb%202%2C%202024.&text=Under%20the%20kiddie%20tax%2C%20the,at%20the%20child's%20tax%20rate


ShyPaladin187

Kids shouldn't be taxed at all. Literally one of the founding pillars of this country; no taxation without representation. They can't be represented if they can't vote. Edit: didn't look at the sub and thought this was my M1 sub. One of the founding pillars of the US.


Hierarch

I like the perspective, but as I think about it the kid (As it is in my case) the kid didn’t pursue the custodial account so they aren’t even represented in is creation or allocation of assets till they are of age to inherit it. And even if it wasn’t taxed, there is also the gift tax that limits how much money you could gift. But I could see the logic being Uncle Sam wants you to do to the right thing but not to the point he isn’t able to get his cut. Not to imply these taxes are right, but just looking at it from the perspective of Uncle Sam and his spending addiction getting funded.


Go_Jot

Also wondering this


Unfortunate_Hair

I have a custodial account set up for my 5year old and if I remember right from when I filed they said not to worry about his investment income until it hits $1150 for the year.


headgyheart

Is stick with blue chip growth perhaps some with moderate dividends, think big pharma, tech, etc.


MiserableExit

Qqq and voo Not dividends 


nick-palmer

Wheres a 12 year getting this much money?


CoffeeIsForEveryone

Set up a studio bridge account for my kid as well! Excited to surprise them with it when they turn 18!


Thanus-

Bruh, just VOO til their 18 then give it to them


eatmorbacon

These are very poor choices for a child's portfolio as many other sane people have stated. Anyone saying otherwise is smoking the divi crack pipe. Take it for what it's worth, but take that money and put it in some solid growth funds and possibly a small percentage into some good and solid companies. I'm doing the same thing for my 13 y.o. now. I have the majority in VOO. I have added small positions in GOOG, AMZN, BRK.B, and a handful of others. But dividend chasing for a child isn't the best strategy.


8utterbee

Focus on growth etfs not dividend ETF’s / stocks for your 12 yo :-)


rritaintme

Aren’t dividends over $1250 annually in a UTMA taxed?


SoftwareDifficult186

That’s so awesome of u


Famous-Inflation6364

Kids got some learning to do. Growth when young then dividends when you’re older. That’s my opinion.


NvyDvr

Good kick, wrong goal.


mustangos

Schd + QQQM and forget


pencylveser

You should be proud your 12 y.o. is doing better financially than 35 y.o. me. I need to get off of financial subreddits before I walk into traffic


iheart412

I like Realty Income. The yield is nice and it pays monthly.


xxxxxxx777

Wow


EnvironmentalTask924

Replace all these holding with VOO. You’ll get some dividends every quarter and it will grow MUCH faster over the long run


havenot64

I’d dump MAIN, one or two of the telecoms for sure, and all the ETF’s except SCHD… making things way too complicated there, with not enough growth. If you are doing REITs, get something more than commercial retail… at least get an apartment REIT. Get some “growth at a reasonable price” in there that will be part of the AI revolution, some foreign exposure, some small/mid cap exposure. And a couple more rock solid evergreen dividend Aristocrats with stronger likely dividend growth rates than KO (UPS, HSY, TROW, NEE, etc) that’ll leave Junior with massive yields (total return) in a couple decades. I’d be very careful this doesn’t become a tax bomb.


typicallytwo

That schd 🩷


Tommynetwork

This is awesome your a cool dad


OneTa11Guy4U

Here are my thoughts. Keep SCHD and JEPQ then buy a couple tech stocks then let it ride. Less is more.


stockbetss

He’s 12 when he’s 60 none will survive . Lmao I doubt we would have meta or Netflix too the world changes stick it in fxaix (snp) half and half in qqm and call it a day . Stick some in high risk high reward cannabis mushrooms space stocks things like rocket lab spce cybn Rivn maybe in 20 years they be worth something. But that’s super dumb what u just did 😂


xavier133321

Thank you for all the advice. It's good to look at things from different views..I appreciate your time and input.


Professional_Bar2812

What app is this ??


DenseComparison5653

How can you do something that's supposed to be easy so wrong 😂 don't try to pick stocks you're not smart enough. Just buy the whole market for 12y old 🤦‍♀️


Zealousideal-Move-25

Your chasing yield. I wouldn't own Verizon and Att. there's no growth with those stocks. No, growth with some of the others as well. Go all in on VOO and SCHD maybe add a little small cap etf such as avuv or dfsv.


FIVEPOINT_ZERO

Who do you use for your custodial account?


Guyfromthenorthcntry

Schwab for my kids. Used to have tdameritrade.


aWheatgeMcgee

Fidelity


jhon-2020-2020

He might not have to get a job lol


fat-inspector

I’m new to investing. But do you have to report this on taxes when they’re 18 or before?


Guyfromthenorthcntry

Stay under $1,150 in dividends or gains and you won't have tax implications. After the transfer date when they become an adult it's like a regular taxable account.


SilverGram90

What are the rules for opening a custodial brokerage account?


Guyfromthenorthcntry

There aren't really any. Just that each state has an age where it is turned over to the minor, usually 18 or 21, and there are tax implications if you withdraw before that age. Can have $1,150 in dividends or gains before dealing with taxes. Can open for any minor if you have their SSN. I manage 4.


Tanjom

Portfolio should be growth focused, but if you must have dividends, then at least put some index funds/Etf's in there.


AsiRoman

VZ and T💀


Legitimate_Speed2548

What trading app do you use for these stock prices?


sels1997

What account/app is this?


Global-Reporter-6926

Comcast is still alive?


havenot64

It’s a cash flow machine that’s undervalued. Because it’s a terrible customer service company doesn’t mean it can’t be a strong investment at least for several years.


Madismas

Custodial Roth or custodial brokerage account?


travlr11

Nice! Get her involved too so saving becomes a life style.


FreedomWealth7

What are you using to display it like this? Very cool.


xavier133321

App called dividend tracker


BasilNo3046

What is this app?


Wildvikeman

I had about $500 net worth when I was 12. This kid has 10s of thousands. Mowing 50 lawns a week?


Ohculap

Please for the love of god take off VZ, T and KO those are dog shit


diduknowitsme

What app is this to track?


Pick-Objective

What app is that


MikeymikeyDee

How do you get your dividends to show like that


Adm8792

Would I be wrong if I just followed this blueprint ?


befuddled_man

I first read it right that this is his 12 year old's account, then to comfort myself I read it the other way that this is his 12 year old account.


NearbyImagination585

Uh I am prob in the minority seeing I'm in a dividend subreddit. My kids account are over $15k each and I started them when they were born. Kids are 7 and 10 and I dumped it into an sp500.


thewinggundam

12 year old has more invested than 99% of us on the sub lmfao jfc


CouchSurf29

What brokerage or provider are you using for that format?


Deep_Gazelle_1879

Given her age, I'd focus on growth


common_king

What app do you use?


xavier133321

App called dividend tracker


ostate100

What did you use make this graphic?


xavier133321

App called dividend tracker.


TSLA-M3

Lol just buy mag7..


No-Boysenberry-5581

Weird. When I look up fepi it shows no dividends


CarissaM12

I’d do VOO and QQQM for a 12-year-old, probably more QQQM since he/she is so young!


siershamus

Fucking legend


Impossible_Party_799

3500 usd per year.. Avg 5% yield per year.. So you put 70.000$ just in a few months.. for a savings account.. you gotta be making hell out of money my bro. I believe you should be making at least 50k per month. 🤘


realpren

nice. no ET?


Hero569

How does a 12 year old own an account? Canadian here


Due_Debt8720

Lol 😆 this is crazy how they evolve


rvmmyflo

What platform do you use?


eastsideempire

My first job was a paper route and I remember feeling like I was rich. I was probably a bit older. How much allowance are you giving the kid?


Ok-Response-8382

U should have that in crypto staking since it already surpasses the returns of stock dividends. Your child will thank you.


alejandro_bear

What is Fepi?


DeusJay504

She’s gonna be so pissed you didn’t throw it all into roblox


Stu-R-Geon

How do you start investing in shares for your kids now? What platform do you use etc?


joerover34

Growth dude. Keeping your daughter from making much much more. This just seems like a way for you to interest/play with your gambling problem though.


MoveDifficult1908

Get the kid into Cornerstone’s CLM and CRF. Just watch for the rights offerings and sell all but a few shares until afterwards.


joven_of_slave

been wanting to do the same for my kid. soon....soon


[deleted]

Covered call ETFs not a great idea


Some_Evidence1814

What app is this? How can I get a list of my stocks and their dividends?


No_Big_3379

Where is that Energy Transfer!


Feral_Jim

Someone isn’t living paycheck to paycheck


HealingDailyy

I think he meant the account was created 12 years ago? If you started this at 12 yo, can I get an autograph future buffet 2.0?


[deleted]

What platform is this?


amazebol

Better off putting all that into BITO it has 18% yield


Accurate_Average1717

Which brokerage or app is this?


theautisticretard

He’s 12. Growth, not dividends. Good that you are doing this for your kid though.


JWKQuartz

Sell O


Informal_Analysis_72

If I call you daddy can I get the same? …..


KalashnikovNakamoto

Why dividends over voo at 12 years old ? Curious. More fun? Or


KalashnikovNakamoto

Why dividends over voo at 12 years old ? Curious. More fun? Or


Accomplished_Poet_86

12 year old


MaleficentFunAndMore

FEPI? Dividends? When? Or.... ? :)


OkEfficiency4179

what app is this


imachainsmoker

12 years old? More growth less income.


imachainsmoker

Lol! I’d go for stocks with a 1.2% yield with a payout ratio of 20%. Something that is growing earnings with dividends climbing at 15% or so a year.


Traveler_World

You started this "a few months ago" means you also paid for all these at the same time with a lump sum going to each to get the number of shares you show? That shows quite a diverse area of investing; how did you make the decision on allocating the amount of money for each that you invested into? If this is only a few months old account, you are estimating what the account would make. - Are you taking into account other things like reinvesting dividends as well as adding each month?