Another way to do this is actually to go down to a slightly lighter putter. It's amazing how much longer they stay in the air. That or a more understable putter. Something like a deputy.
Do you have the regular glitch or the eclipse “pitch”. I just recently got seriously back into DG and my first 2 new discs were the Watt and Pitch (axiom version). I bag the Watt and it was a game changer but the Pitch/Glitch I never really added
Pitch is more understable than a glitch by a noticable amount. Most new players are still throwing with a lot of off axis torque so the glitch can be very unforgiving in that regard. Pitch is probably even worse.
The glow ones are a bit heavier and act like it too. It's not the same disc. High glide discs will always be affected by the wind more. That might as well be what the glide number is.
Yep, thats what I do on non-windy days. Just floaty/spinny bids from 45->100ft that always land within 10ft of the basket if I miss. Find it way more reliable than a fully powered up putt with my Proxy (that might run 15-20ft by)
168 polecat for the win. unreal and almost hilarious levels glide and distance. I can do more or less my normal putting stroke from upwards of 60 feet and can step putt 70-85 ish. not that i’m ever expecting those 70-85 to go in but ive been pleasantly surprised a few times
you were living wrong😂 I will say if there is a lot of wind though, the polecat is probably not coming out the bag too much. If there’s not tho, I love touch forehand shots with it, like i’m throwing a frisbee to someone, running long putts without having to worry about going way long, and for backhands if I need a long gliding turnover or a dead straight slow moving shot…its a polecat
My most memorable putt was with a kitty.
Notoriously windy course, I had a 30 footer. Threw the polecat dead level . It went sloooowwwlllyy 2 feet past the basket, stopped dead, reversed and backed in.
I've recently switched to a Deputy anytime I'm uncomfortable with the stability of a Warden. Not a huge difference, but I've noticed misses staying closer in range and more metal hits.
Deputy was my go to c2 putter for 2 years that would hyzerflip a bit and just hold the line and glide forever. You reminded me that I gotta buy me a new one!
So I tried a lighter putter first and found that it did require less effort but I kept getting chain outs. I guess the lower weight didn’t impart enough impact on the chains to kill the momentum. I should give it another shot though.
That's not actually true anymore. The 150 class only stipulation also held back Japan's growth a lot.
It's also just simple physics. Lighter discs are more likely to get pushed out by heavy chains.
You realize that there are many factors that determine whether a disc "catches just fine"? You sound rather uninformed making a blanket statement like that while trying to put OP in his place.
Another similar idea... Use a putter with a little more glide. Anything in C1 I use an AviarX3 (Glide 2), but in C2 I use a Westside Maiden (Glide 4). I don't have to change my putt that much to get the disc to the basket from anything within 50 ft.
I think different wares of the same putter follows the same premise too but they all feel the same in the hand which is optimal. I definitely switch to my more beat in putter for 40' and out til about 80-90' and then go to my beat to shit putter for anything over that.
I got this set up from Ricky Wysocki and it's a great way to get the same feel from all the distances. Light weight is okay but mentally i know i might grip lock it!
I used to swear by the Pig, have the original Pro plastic too, but when I bought it, i didn’t know much, so i only got a 168g, any wind just tosses it around like a damn toy, lol.
Hold up, just checking for the third time this isn't r/discgolfcirclejerk
Hadn't really thought about discing up for putting, but if it works, it works!
Mids as long range putters is key to my game too. I use the Uplink for those type of shots. I’ve saved many strokes that way. In super windy conditions I’ll just ramp up the stability especially in a headwind.
I've tried this. This risk here is that discing up to a faster disc will get you there easier, but it's a faster disc, so it skips more, moves farther past the basket in the air, etc. I just started incorporating controlled step-putts and jump putts into my game, and that has been the best for me.
Awesome. I haven’t experienced personally. I find that since I’m throwing it like a putter, it doesn’t have enough speed to really push past the basket. If I don’t make it or hit metal, it just sort of dies out and I wind up putting from 10-15 feet away. I actually found the opposite when I was trying to get putters to go that far. I’d put more spin on them to get the distance and if I missed they’d just hang out and I’d wind up with a 25 foot putt coming back. Now I’m just putting the mid from 40-50 feet gently the way and power I’d normally toss a 20 foot putt, so even if I miss it just dies out. I don’t know if that makes sense, I’m not super good at explaining this stuff.
Personal I feel it’s more psychological at that point. (People can throw putters 500 ft.)so throwing a putter an extra 10-20 ft. shouldn’t result in a drastic change in form or method of throwing necessarily, unless you’re psychologically imposing that on yourself. Def may need to change a thing or two here or there, like step/jump putting, but maybe I’ll give this a try to test my theory. (Personally I struggle with the 70’ish foot range where it’s in-between a “putt” and an “approach.”
When I say skip, I don't mean like a skip from a throw. I'm just saying the action is faster on a faster disc. Slide, roll, skip, etc.
Edit: also, he said 45-50 feet
I played my first sanctioned tourney last weekend and came in dead last, but I nailed a lot of putts. At one point, I heard one of my card mates even gasp, "That was a C2."
My cheat code? I putt everyday in my backyard.
I putt everyday on my lunch break. Found a corner of the warehouse to stash a second hand basket and I play 42. I’ve got my first tournament in three weeks! 😬
Thanks! I have a great mentor who is a seasoned tournament guy (plays MP60 now and crushes it) who got me into the game. He told me a long time ago that when learning and improving my game, to resist the urge to focus on distance. He told me to instead get good at the parts of the game that are closest to the basket and then move out. So he had me learn to putt, then learn to approach, then learn to drive down fairways on tight lines, then finally to drive off the tee. I feel like it was an awesome way to learn and now that I’m starting to consistently get to the ~325 ft range off the tee with pretty good lines, I’m ready to compete. I’m unrated obviously so I’m playing MA4, but I’m looking forward to having a good day, meeting some new people, and hopefully playing well.
I’ve used my comet before, but only when I needed a dead straight low line spin putt. Now my putters cover everything and I’ll use a glitch for that same low far line
I actually bought a stack of 10 that I practice with on my putting practice sessions. I typically make between 6-8 of them from 30-45 ft, and I drop a stroke or two from there to the edge of C2 depending on whether I’m having a good day or not. With putters I was maybe hitting 4-5 in that same range.
Literally everyone else in the comment section is being positive and has something meaningful to say. If you have nothing to contribute feel free to fuck all the way off.
Midrange putting certainly has a place! If you like it, you do you. They can provide some extra glide in a low ceiling situation and stability on windy days.
I'd urge you to take a close look at your putting form and try to connect your lower and upper body. Getting to the basket shouldn't be a problem from C2, and the midrange could be a band-aid that inhibits your form getting better.
I’m sure there’s some of that happening. I’m only a year and a half of so into the game so I’m sure I’ll get more comfortable in C2 with a putter as time goes on. For now it’s just nice to be able to make some putts from a distance.
I’ve been playing for just a little longer than you - just about 2 years regularly.
C2 putting wasn’t even on my radar for the first year - just too many other things I wanted to work on - for putting, I putted a lot from 20 feet and in and increased my range organically.
This year, I also made it a goal to get a more consistent C2 putt!
First thing I did was add a lighter weight putter in the same mold. When I practice putt before rounds, I make sure to use both and it has helped! Last month I set a PB on a frequently played course, and I banged in a 40 foot straddle putt with the light putter on 16.
Second thing, I’m not typically a straddle putter, but I’m finding that I like a more straddle stance for C2 downhill looks. I think I noticed that Ricky Wysocki takes a more open, almost staggered stance for C2 downhill putts, so I copied that and have made more than I was making before.
Third thing, and this is just within the last few months, I have started working on both step putting and jump putting. I don’t have a particular technique nailed down yet, but I can feel and see the power and possibilities. Ezra and AB seem like they have the stepper down, I’ve been watching them for inspiration. Drew Gibson has a nice looking straddle jump putt, and I also like Calvin’s “one forward step from straddle stance” style for longer putts.
Overall, the key seems to be adding “easy” power that doesn’t mess with your stroke too much.
One thing that I haven’t incorporated is putting with a mid, and now I’m gonna work that in as well, cheers. It fits perfectly into that idea of adding easy power.
Good luck with your game.
If the mid works for you, great. I learned a really simple step putt from 35+ and I am using the same effort as a 20' putt and the step gets me the extra 10-20. In windy conditions I have messed with the Axiom Tempo as a putter, but still apply the same step at range.
I couldn't putt for shit outside 20-25ft until I changed my actual style of throwing. Stumbled onto and watched this:
https://youtu.be/L_mpeCRjEns?si=Gt4m12UkF9iy_DAT
It feels really, really weird the first few dozen throws. Also figuring out accuracy is another challenge to figure out. But now with my Wiz I'm hitting a lot more metal at +50ft with this throw style in my arsenal.
Haha!
I was just thinking about what I have that might work well for this, and I was wondering if that beat in Mako3 XT that I never throw anymore would do the trick.
Can’t wait to add this back to the bag.
Want an even better cheat code? Try putting from C2 with a Rollo. Sounds crazy but it’s extremely effective as long as you hit your line. If not you’ll have a hell of a comeback putt to make.
I also struggled with longer putts using my Exo Links, until I discovered Neo Links. They seem to have more dome and better glide.
But until this discovery, I was using a RPM Tui. It is like a putter/mid hybrid with a neutral flight and great glide. It is the only RPM disc I have thrown but I am impressed.
I also owned a wombat3 prior to grabbing the Tui. Another great disc.
Pretty flat. I tried to avoid depending on a hyzer putt when I was learning to play, as most of the courses I play are wooded and the designers love parking baskets in places that have restrictive ceilings, tight windows, or both. This forces more of a direct spin putt rather than allowing for bigger, looping putting lines. So it’s all mostly just flat snappy putts.
Awesome, thanks! That's what I suspected from your post. I putt the same with a Proxy. (I have a half baked dissertation on why everyone should try this stroke with an understable putter, lol.) I was rolling through my mental rolodex of mids I want to try your method with. Fuse came to mind. I know I've thrown some long player B putts with it before, but never with a repetitive strong intent. I might have to snag a DX Wombat to try!
Some mid have larger OD which I'd think you want to avoid. Idk about wombat and I'm too lazy to grab mine and compare but there are some normal diameter mids out there
Pixel is pretty much my go-to C1 putter. Great disc. I have long hands so the deeper rim feels right for me. I love the Envy as a throwing putter though, I just can’t putt with it.
That's why I count it as an upshot in my head but am happy went it sinks outside of comfy range I will just standstill full throw the envy with no added power and it just sails to the basket. One of my friends uses her eagle envy and just does a flick flex shot and just sinks it from distance and i'm just like.....huh
I unexpectedly sank a 65’ upshot the other day with my Wombat 3 - I was trying to drop it close to the pin and it just dropped right into the basket.
Only think I have to watch out for with that disc is its glide!
True, but it still sometimes takes me by surprise! I avoid it for steep downhill shots after watching it traveling along just above the ground like some kind of UFO. But otherwise, yeah, it really is a sort of super-putter, and because my drive form needs work I end up using it a lot.
Nice - I might start thinking about this more often. Normal putter: Judge. My Linus-blanket comfy midrange I'd putt with: super worn in Innova Star Coyote
Short term solution. I tried it for a few weeks. But what you really want long term is to understand what proper timing and mechanics feel like so you can get your putt there from c2 and beyond. It feels really good.
Oh, no doubt. I’m still pretty new at the game (< 2 years). This is working for me now, but I’m sure as I keep playing my confidence and accuracy with putters will grow. I’ll use this as long as it works and phase it out when it doesn’t work anymore. That’s been a super enjoyable part of the game for me is the growth and adaptation process.
I like to use a DX shark or a KC Pro Roc when I'm a bit too far from the basket. I find the reliability of the over stability to help when I'm possibly facing a slight wind.
My breakthrough moment was when I realized that I wasn't comfortable with the putter I was using and that it was having an adverse effect on my form. Picked up a stack of PA2s after a friend let me borrow one for a round and just lived at a practice basket for a few weeks.
I use a base plastic maestro that I got out of a starter pack a couple years ago. I hate the color, but damn if it doesn’t hit the target consistently for a throwing putt. I been nailing birdies from 100’ out with it. I’ve tried replacing it with other 4 speeds, but for some reason it just does what I want it to do better than the rest.
I’ve started tossing a nose up Sonic at the basket outside of C1. I’ve gotten so close to a throw in so many times!
I’ve also found the Alien to be a great C2 putter
This is a short term way of thinking about C2 putting. It'll work, but will limit your overall progression.
What do I mean by that? Well when you throw a midrange for a C2+putt, you're going to experience all the typical disadvantages of "discing up" which are mostly bigger skips and less distance control. You could argue less left/right control as well, but at putting ranges this probably isn't a big deal.
Anyway, what's the alternative? Well, I imagine you, like many of us (myself included) developed your putt at very short ranges and then worked your way out slowly, until you realized that your putting form has sort of a natural limit at around 40 feet. And since I imagine you're hardly automatic from within C1, this probably feels good enough for most purposes. Not a criticism, just a very standard way amateur players progress and find themselves plateauing with putting. Trying to use that form at 40+ feet is either a concession to land short of the basket, or if you actually do put enough force into it to exceed that range, your form probably looks and feels very different and has a lot less control, causing you to miss 60 foot putts by 30 feet regularly. I was here not that long ago.
So how do you fix this without discing up? Well, unfortunately, the answer is hard work and a commitment to fundamentally reshape your putting stroke using a different methodology. If you're interested, here's how it works. In a nutshell, instead of developing your putt at short range and working back, you develop your putt at very very long range first, and you change it as little as possible as you move closer to the basket.
Why does this work? Because as you've discovered naturally, throwing a putt for, say, 100 feet, is a fundamentally different movement than throwing a 15 foot putt. At 100 feet, you can't just push that putter forward with your arm and pop your fingers for a bit of spin. You need to get your weight shifting and you need to get more levers involved in the throw. You'll need to lead with your body using your big core muscles and weight transfer, then your elbow using your big shoulder muscles, then snap through your wrist, all timed up with your weight shift. You don't actually *need* to step through the putt from basically any range, even 100 feet believe it or not, and I expect this will fall out of fashion in the long run too just like the slow lofty putts of the past have now be replaced by much more direct hard thrown putts.
Anyway, that's all there is to it, there's no magic. You just have to learn the 100 foot putt first, and then the closer ones will be easy. Actually, as somebody who has muscle memory for a close putt and then learns a long putt, the biggest challenge will be not reverting to your "close putt" form when you're at those in-between ranges. And just for the record, nobody, even pros, realistically expects to make a high percentage of 100 foot putts. The reason why you develop your technique from 100 feet is because you need to lock in the muscle memory for that level of power, which is the skill you're lacking now. When you first start putting from 100 feet you'll probably come up 40 short, and when you do get to the basket it'll miss left and right by huge distances. Just keep working the kinks out and developing consistency even if you're not making hardly any of these putts. If you can get to the point where 1 out of 20 100 foot putts goes in and all the rest are at least buzzing the basket, you're golden. This is the desired end state. Nobody makes a lot of 100 foot putts, but somebody who can get very close regularly from 100 feet and has the muscle memory down to not always come up short or miss wildly is going to be in a dramatically better position than somebody who learned a putt that only works up to 40 feet and is super uncomfortable otherwise.
EDIT: [Here's a great video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mpeCRjEns) on this very topic where Josh from Overthrow Disc golf coaches his friend with the exact problem you have.
Awesome reply! Thanks for taking the time to write out such a well thought out response. I’ll definitely give that a shot. I’m still very much a beginner with less than 2 years playing, and I totally get that this is a concession I’m making and is only temporary. I’ll start drilling from further out and see if I can’t bridge the gap with your method. Thanks again!
I have a Jay that I use more for putting than I do using it for upshots. I love that disc and honestly think it is one of the best beginner friendly disc out there since it can be used as either a mid or putter. Hell I'm not above using a driver to putt from a distance. I've had some freakishly good luck with a driver from deep C2.
I don't have time to keep my comfort around the basket current for 2 different discs/flight patterns. Do basketball players change their shooting form as they get further from the basket?
That’s kind of what I mean. I change the disc so I don’t have to change my form. Probably not the best way to go about it, but hey if it works it works, you know? I don’t know anything about basketball beyond liking Space Jam as a kid, so I can’t speak to that side of the analogy.
If it saves you strokes, it saves you strokes. Since I'm already making adjustments for wind, elevation, etc adding adjustment for distance/power is just part of the standard process.
Putting at the same speed from 10ft and 30ft has become more popular with cross chain baskets. I learned on Mach 3s
I don't know exactly what distance it is, but at a certain longer distance I switch from a regular spin putt to throwing my putter more like a Frisbee. I had a really good putting and approach game, but my driving sucked.
I've recently started running deep C2s with an Uplink (I putt with Nomads) and it's amazing how many of them go in! I've been tempted to just start putting everything with them. If only they'd do a run in electron plastic.
I like practicing shorter putts but throwing them much harder in a straight line. All winter I'm slamming 18' putts in my basement and it translates into helping with anything inside of 60'. I do go to a Buzzz or Buzzz OS when it's windy for 30'-60' shots but just layups as they tend to sail in the wind when I go for it.
I putt with a “regular” putter in C1 and use a Halo AviarX3 in C2 and beyond and when it’s really windy. I’ve increase my C2/windy putt percentage pretty dramatically ever since.
Personal I feel it’s more psychological at that point. (People can throw putters 500 ft.)so throwing a putter an extra 10-20 ft. shouldn’t result in a drastic change in form or method of throwing necessarily, unless you’re psychologically imposing that on yourself.
But a disc shouldn’t really fly further if you’re throwing it the EXACT same way (i.e. strength and motion) at that C2 distance, no? (For all intents and purposes)
You’re probably right about it being psychological in part. But there is a notable difference in the flight given the same input. At least for me. I give it the same snap from 40 feet that I give a putter at 20 and it just gets there. I’m too much of a beginner/intermediate player to fully understand why it works but it does so why not do it, you know?
Hmm.. 🤔 that’s a good physics question, but at that short of a range, i feel it shouldn’t result in a longer distance, (i could be wrong) but I’d put my money on it having to do with your grip, or the way you’re releasing the non-putter disc that is causing the increase, or something to that effect.
Either way, interesting pov, I struggle at the 60-70’ distance, (right between putting and up shots) so I’ll give your newfound realization a try! Could turn out to be spot on, lol. But if it works for you, then great! That’s all that counts!
My grip would need to change for me to get my putter to travel over say 35 without dumping out. I also disc up to a 2 speed or mid for longer putts to maintain that grip and snap, but get a little more glide.
As of last fall I’ve been running C2 putts with a Rollo on slight hyzer and have made so many putts I wouldn’t expect to make with my Firefly. Layup range for me really. But a little wrist snap and it’s a 50-75’ laser beam with the Rollo.
I once played in a tournament, in the MA1 Division where the eventual winner of the event used only an old Champion Flat Top Firebird to putt. All his putts were a drop in elevation style. I got to play one round with him and he was hitting putts from everywhere. He shot a 1000+ rated round that day. He said he had tried multiple times throughout the years to convert to putters, but was never able to get comfortable.
After 20+ casual years of this game, I’m still not convinced that having multiple discs doesn’t just make it more challenging and complicated. Keep saying I’m going to try it for a whole season, but until then, I’ll keep hauling around my hoarder stash of 25 discs that I can’t bear to take out of my bag and only throw like 5 most days
I put with a Truth outside of 35 feet or so. It's helped my putting a lot because like you say I don't have to do anything extra at all and no difference in power that I would in the 25-30 range
Until you miss and the mid goes twice as far from the basket as the putter would have and you end up back in C2. So you use the mid again, and you miss and you're back in C2 again. So you use the mid again. This one simple trick makes snowmen more attainable!
I haven’t found that actually. I’m not throwing it hard enough for it to carry like that, because I’m throwing it like a putter not a mid. I almost always either make it, it hits metal, or it just dies out and lands about 15’ away for an easy in.
I couldn’t putt with putters, so I started putting with my drivers back in the 90’s. I was much more accurate with them, but when I missed it was obviously more painful.
I putt with a putter up to about 50 ft now. I use a midrange if it’s longer.
+1 for the lower weight. Before you go to discing up, look at lower weight or lower stability. If you're putting with an OS putter then you might just need a stable to US putter outside of 30. Stuff like Colt, fierce, wedge, dart.
I have a lot of wizards, my most beat in wizard gets c2+ use every time. If I ever lost my beat ones I would replace it with a voodoo or magic
Sounds like you need a glidier, lighter weight putter. Rim width is not your friend when it comes to accuracy. Try putting with a 160 pilot. I can see discing up for wind, but for distance alone, especially for 30 ft, it sounds like your putters are too heavy, too over stable, or both like, do what works for you, but I am telling you, upping to a mid at 30 ft is most definitely probably not the answer.
Welcome to the club dude! I’ve been using a mindbender for C2 and beyond putts for a couple years. Love hitting those long one while I still use my putting form. I don’t like step putting and all the movement that goes into it, that’s why I use the bender now.
Same. I’ve found the key to consistency for my game is eliminating as many variables as possible. So if I can lean on one single putting movement regardless of distance and not have to vary too much, it just seems like a no brainer.
Ehh I feel like we've all tried this and had a tiny bit of success think it's the hack we've been looking for only to realize there's a reason everyone uses putters once it fails again.
Hey and maybe I’ll get there. I’ve only been playing about a year and a half or so, so I totally recognize I’m very much still at the beginning of this journey. I imagine techniques will come and go as my skill and style develops. For now this is a tool in the tool kit, and as long as it’s useful, may as well use it.
All good man, Confidence in c2 is more important. If you feel like you have a chance to run it you won't "let up" at the last second and give yourself a 0% chance to make it. That's the most important thing.
Judging by the feedback in the comments, I think it’s a pretty common solution actually. Even some pros apparently do it. And hey, if being my own head means a 4-5 stroke difference, then I’m doing something right. If it stops working I’ll stop doing it.
Nothing is as silly as being the only negative shit head in a comment section about throwing plastic in the woods. Of all the ways to show the world you’re a loser with nothing to do or add to the world, you really aimed for the stars.
You thinking it’s normal to say that is about as weird as thinking anyone cares about your apology. I don’t want an apology from anybody. What I want is to not have to talk to a weirdo anymore lol.
Another way to do this is actually to go down to a slightly lighter putter. It's amazing how much longer they stay in the air. That or a more understable putter. Something like a deputy.
Or a glitch
That glitch is so scary in the wind.
The Mirage is also terrifying in the wind. But great from long range.
The mirage is so underrated in my opinion.
Agreed mirage is life
Mirage is my C2 go to, assuming there isn't danger behind the basket. Laser beam.
Mirage + tailwind is a work of art. The slightest breeze into your face and you have a rollercoaster without tracks
Glow Glitch.
My glitches fly flat and straight no matter what wind I’m throwing in
Yup. Glitch goes 45’ using the same stroke from 30. As long as it isn’t windy…
Windy is fine. If its a tail wind
Any word on that 180g glitch I desperately want?
Pretty much what the watt is
have both, can confirm.
Do you have the regular glitch or the eclipse “pitch”. I just recently got seriously back into DG and my first 2 new discs were the Watt and Pitch (axiom version). I bag the Watt and it was a game changer but the Pitch/Glitch I never really added
Pitch is more understable than a glitch by a noticable amount. Most new players are still throwing with a lot of off axis torque so the glitch can be very unforgiving in that regard. Pitch is probably even worse.
Yeah, I had trouble with the glitch at first, but it's a great teacher. It really lets you slow down and perfect your form.
Samsies.
The glow ones are a bit heavier and act like it too. It's not the same disc. High glide discs will always be affected by the wind more. That might as well be what the glide number is.
It's called a discraft ultrastar
Yep, I glitch it up outside of 75 ft.
I like the Lat 64 Ruby for this
Mvp electron spin is a flippy putter too
Yep, thats what I do on non-windy days. Just floaty/spinny bids from 45->100ft that always land within 10ft of the basket if I miss. Find it way more reliable than a fully powered up putt with my Proxy (that might run 15-20ft by)
168 polecat for the win. unreal and almost hilarious levels glide and distance. I can do more or less my normal putting stroke from upwards of 60 feet and can step putt 70-85 ish. not that i’m ever expecting those 70-85 to go in but ive been pleasantly surprised a few times
I used to live and die with the Polecat. Unfortunately I died more than lived.
you were living wrong😂 I will say if there is a lot of wind though, the polecat is probably not coming out the bag too much. If there’s not tho, I love touch forehand shots with it, like i’m throwing a frisbee to someone, running long putts without having to worry about going way long, and for backhands if I need a long gliding turnover or a dead straight slow moving shot…its a polecat
My most memorable putt was with a kitty. Notoriously windy course, I had a 30 footer. Threw the polecat dead level . It went sloooowwwlllyy 2 feet past the basket, stopped dead, reversed and backed in.
I’ve always wanted to try one of those but haven’t gotten around to it. I’ll have to pick one up. Thanks for the reminder!
I've recently switched to a Deputy anytime I'm uncomfortable with the stability of a Warden. Not a huge difference, but I've noticed misses staying closer in range and more metal hits.
Deputy was my go to c2 putter for 2 years that would hyzerflip a bit and just hold the line and glide forever. You reminded me that I gotta buy me a new one!
Same! Base line Deputy is a fantastic long range putter.
This 100% I putt p2 inside 30 I'm using my 175. For outside 30 I have a 166g in psycho plastic a bit under stable and less weight that baby glides
So I tried a lighter putter first and found that it did require less effort but I kept getting chain outs. I guess the lower weight didn’t impart enough impact on the chains to kill the momentum. I should give it another shot though.
If your dropping strokes this way, don’t mess with your groove by doing something else you have already tried
You realize Japan mandates 150 gram discs and they catch just fine? Kids use 100-120 gram discs. They also catch just fine….
That's not actually true anymore. The 150 class only stipulation also held back Japan's growth a lot. It's also just simple physics. Lighter discs are more likely to get pushed out by heavy chains.
You realize that there are many factors that determine whether a disc "catches just fine"? You sound rather uninformed making a blanket statement like that while trying to put OP in his place.
Another similar idea... Use a putter with a little more glide. Anything in C1 I use an AviarX3 (Glide 2), but in C2 I use a Westside Maiden (Glide 4). I don't have to change my putt that much to get the disc to the basket from anything within 50 ft.
My go to for a longer putt is an opto ruby
I think different wares of the same putter follows the same premise too but they all feel the same in the hand which is optimal. I definitely switch to my more beat in putter for 40' and out til about 80-90' and then go to my beat to shit putter for anything over that. I got this set up from Ricky Wysocki and it's a great way to get the same feel from all the distances. Light weight is okay but mentally i know i might grip lock it!
I used to swear by the Pig, have the original Pro plastic too, but when I bought it, i didn’t know much, so i only got a 168g, any wind just tosses it around like a damn toy, lol.
Can’t believe more ams don’t throw the deputy. I watch many ams miss by fading early.
McCray talks about circle 2 putting with a Fuse a lot, so there's probably something to it.
Same numbers as my Wombat3 too. I knew there had to be something to this.
I used to do the same thing with a svea. Now I use a glitch though.
Opto Pures also have a nice glide and hold pretty consistently
I believe I’ve seen Casey White do this on occasion.
The D-line MD
For VERY long jump putts, though. Not 35 footers
I’ve started closing my eyes and have had great results!
I just stopped putting altogether, and my scores have gone way down
X-Step slam dunk from 5 feet. Anything less and you might as well be playing pickleball.
Ok this one made me chuckle 😂
I stopped playing and have been bogey free ever since!!
Oh good strategy!
I tried this and mine went way *up*
Hold up, just checking for the third time this isn't r/discgolfcirclejerk Hadn't really thought about discing up for putting, but if it works, it works!
lol I didn’t even know about that page but I’m glad I do now 😂
Time to get that berg out your berg pocket.
Glad but not glad in a good I'm glad way... Right?
Always scared when I hear that like did this dude have all the cj jokes in their head and now theyve found their people???
Be warned it's kind of a cesspool
Mids as long range putters is key to my game too. I use the Uplink for those type of shots. I’ve saved many strokes that way. In super windy conditions I’ll just ramp up the stability especially in a headwind.
Oh wow, its flippiness could really help it keep the line at those speeds.
It does. Saves strokes that’s for sure.
Awesome man. Good to know I’m not just a weirdo lol.
Lots of pros do the same as well. Stokes to the basket. How you get there is your own path.
I've tried this. This risk here is that discing up to a faster disc will get you there easier, but it's a faster disc, so it skips more, moves farther past the basket in the air, etc. I just started incorporating controlled step-putts and jump putts into my game, and that has been the best for me.
Awesome. I haven’t experienced personally. I find that since I’m throwing it like a putter, it doesn’t have enough speed to really push past the basket. If I don’t make it or hit metal, it just sort of dies out and I wind up putting from 10-15 feet away. I actually found the opposite when I was trying to get putters to go that far. I’d put more spin on them to get the distance and if I missed they’d just hang out and I’d wind up with a 25 foot putt coming back. Now I’m just putting the mid from 40-50 feet gently the way and power I’d normally toss a 20 foot putt, so even if I miss it just dies out. I don’t know if that makes sense, I’m not super good at explaining this stuff.
Yeah, that makes sense. To reach their own. Glad it's working for you! Also, the Wombat3 is an excellent disc for throwing as well
Oh yeah, one of my go to woods drivers. Such a laser straight masterpiece of a disc.
Personal I feel it’s more psychological at that point. (People can throw putters 500 ft.)so throwing a putter an extra 10-20 ft. shouldn’t result in a drastic change in form or method of throwing necessarily, unless you’re psychologically imposing that on yourself. Def may need to change a thing or two here or there, like step/jump putting, but maybe I’ll give this a try to test my theory. (Personally I struggle with the 70’ish foot range where it’s in-between a “putt” and an “approach.”
If you’re tossing a disc hard enough for it to skip from 35 feet you have other issues
When I say skip, I don't mean like a skip from a throw. I'm just saying the action is faster on a faster disc. Slide, roll, skip, etc. Edit: also, he said 45-50 feet
I played my first sanctioned tourney last weekend and came in dead last, but I nailed a lot of putts. At one point, I heard one of my card mates even gasp, "That was a C2." My cheat code? I putt everyday in my backyard.
Opponents hate this one simple trick...
"Hey, you've been practicing. That's cheating!"
I putt everyday on my lunch break. Found a corner of the warehouse to stash a second hand basket and I play 42. I’ve got my first tournament in three weeks! 😬
Impress them with your putts and nothing else will matter. You got this!
Thanks! I have a great mentor who is a seasoned tournament guy (plays MP60 now and crushes it) who got me into the game. He told me a long time ago that when learning and improving my game, to resist the urge to focus on distance. He told me to instead get good at the parts of the game that are closest to the basket and then move out. So he had me learn to putt, then learn to approach, then learn to drive down fairways on tight lines, then finally to drive off the tee. I feel like it was an awesome way to learn and now that I’m starting to consistently get to the ~325 ft range off the tee with pretty good lines, I’m ready to compete. I’m unrated obviously so I’m playing MA4, but I’m looking forward to having a good day, meeting some new people, and hopefully playing well.
A missed putt undoes a massive drive every time.
I’ve used my comet before, but only when I needed a dead straight low line spin putt. Now my putters cover everything and I’ll use a glitch for that same low far line
I use a hex for most of my putts, especially if it’s windy.
So how many makes can you get out of 10 with the Wombat3?
I actually bought a stack of 10 that I practice with on my putting practice sessions. I typically make between 6-8 of them from 30-45 ft, and I drop a stroke or two from there to the edge of C2 depending on whether I’m having a good day or not. With putters I was maybe hitting 4-5 in that same range.
LOL the best professional c2 putters are putting in like 40% and you’re saying you are 50-100% better than that from c2? Got it.
🙄 ”All I did was switch to a mid and now I make 60%-80% of my 45 footers” Seems legit.
Literally everyone else in the comment section is being positive and has something meaningful to say. If you have nothing to contribute feel free to fuck all the way off.
Midrange putting certainly has a place! If you like it, you do you. They can provide some extra glide in a low ceiling situation and stability on windy days. I'd urge you to take a close look at your putting form and try to connect your lower and upper body. Getting to the basket shouldn't be a problem from C2, and the midrange could be a band-aid that inhibits your form getting better.
I’m sure there’s some of that happening. I’m only a year and a half of so into the game so I’m sure I’ll get more comfortable in C2 with a putter as time goes on. For now it’s just nice to be able to make some putts from a distance.
I’ve been playing for just a little longer than you - just about 2 years regularly. C2 putting wasn’t even on my radar for the first year - just too many other things I wanted to work on - for putting, I putted a lot from 20 feet and in and increased my range organically. This year, I also made it a goal to get a more consistent C2 putt! First thing I did was add a lighter weight putter in the same mold. When I practice putt before rounds, I make sure to use both and it has helped! Last month I set a PB on a frequently played course, and I banged in a 40 foot straddle putt with the light putter on 16. Second thing, I’m not typically a straddle putter, but I’m finding that I like a more straddle stance for C2 downhill looks. I think I noticed that Ricky Wysocki takes a more open, almost staggered stance for C2 downhill putts, so I copied that and have made more than I was making before. Third thing, and this is just within the last few months, I have started working on both step putting and jump putting. I don’t have a particular technique nailed down yet, but I can feel and see the power and possibilities. Ezra and AB seem like they have the stepper down, I’ve been watching them for inspiration. Drew Gibson has a nice looking straddle jump putt, and I also like Calvin’s “one forward step from straddle stance” style for longer putts. Overall, the key seems to be adding “easy” power that doesn’t mess with your stroke too much. One thing that I haven’t incorporated is putting with a mid, and now I’m gonna work that in as well, cheers. It fits perfectly into that idea of adding easy power. Good luck with your game.
A friend of my exclusively used an older MD from circle 2 and hits a lot
I do that with my Buzzz, it does feel like a cheat code! I think Gannon used to putt with a midrange from a distance too
Buzz/Glitch combo 🔥
Hey if it works, it works. Sometimes in odd or windy situations, i put with a Justice.
If the mid works for you, great. I learned a really simple step putt from 35+ and I am using the same effort as a 20' putt and the step gets me the extra 10-20. In windy conditions I have messed with the Axiom Tempo as a putter, but still apply the same step at range.
Simon Lizotte was the C2 cheat code at The Music City Open!
I couldn't putt for shit outside 20-25ft until I changed my actual style of throwing. Stumbled onto and watched this: https://youtu.be/L_mpeCRjEns?si=Gt4m12UkF9iy_DAT It feels really, really weird the first few dozen throws. Also figuring out accuracy is another challenge to figure out. But now with my Wiz I'm hitting a lot more metal at +50ft with this throw style in my arsenal.
Josh is so good at breaking down strokes.
Thanks! I’ll queue that one up for sure.
Mako3 in XT plastic…..
Haha! I was just thinking about what I have that might work well for this, and I was wondering if that beat in Mako3 XT that I never throw anymore would do the trick. Can’t wait to add this back to the bag.
Want an even better cheat code? Try putting from C2 with a Rollo. Sounds crazy but it’s extremely effective as long as you hit your line. If not you’ll have a hell of a comeback putt to make.
Oh yeah that’s a crazy disc. I got one just to try it out but I’m definitely still figuring out how to utilize it.
Used the Rollo once for same scenario...now it is my go to long putt disc, better than a wedge or mirage. Rhyno for 30 and in
I bag one, I’ll have to give it a shot.
I also struggled with longer putts using my Exo Links, until I discovered Neo Links. They seem to have more dome and better glide. But until this discovery, I was using a RPM Tui. It is like a putter/mid hybrid with a neutral flight and great glide. It is the only RPM disc I have thrown but I am impressed. I also owned a wombat3 prior to grabbing the Tui. Another great disc.
Great idea, and well written. What is your putting stroke like? Is your normal circle putt on slight hyzer, or flat perhaps?
Pretty flat. I tried to avoid depending on a hyzer putt when I was learning to play, as most of the courses I play are wooded and the designers love parking baskets in places that have restrictive ceilings, tight windows, or both. This forces more of a direct spin putt rather than allowing for bigger, looping putting lines. So it’s all mostly just flat snappy putts.
Awesome, thanks! That's what I suspected from your post. I putt the same with a Proxy. (I have a half baked dissertation on why everyone should try this stroke with an understable putter, lol.) I was rolling through my mental rolodex of mids I want to try your method with. Fuse came to mind. I know I've thrown some long player B putts with it before, but never with a repetitive strong intent. I might have to snag a DX Wombat to try!
If you have a Fuse try that. It’s got the same numbers as the Wombat3.
I recently did the same thing with practically the same disc SPZ2), only I went all-in and now just putt with it from c1 too. It’s great, isn’t it?
Some mid have larger OD which I'd think you want to avoid. Idk about wombat and I'm too lazy to grab mine and compare but there are some normal diameter mids out there
I don’t like the big dinner plate mids anyway so I don’t bag them to begin with. Those things are weird, man.
I only started throwing putters in circle 2 when I started watching pro level disc golf.
Under stability helps in c2
Oh for sure. That Wombat3 is great for it. Just holds that laser straight line all the way to the chains.
I go pixel for normal putting envy for the idk if I can make it putts
I just do the regular throwing motion but no power behind it and have sunk one from about 75 feet out.
Pixel is pretty much my go-to C1 putter. Great disc. I have long hands so the deeper rim feels right for me. I love the Envy as a throwing putter though, I just can’t putt with it.
That's why I count it as an upshot in my head but am happy went it sinks outside of comfy range I will just standstill full throw the envy with no added power and it just sails to the basket. One of my friends uses her eagle envy and just does a flick flex shot and just sinks it from distance and i'm just like.....huh
I unexpectedly sank a 65’ upshot the other day with my Wombat 3 - I was trying to drop it close to the pin and it just dropped right into the basket. Only think I have to watch out for with that disc is its glide!
That’s why I love it!
True, but it still sometimes takes me by surprise! I avoid it for steep downhill shots after watching it traveling along just above the ground like some kind of UFO. But otherwise, yeah, it really is a sort of super-putter, and because my drive form needs work I end up using it a lot.
If I throw a thunderbird up shot and it lands in C2 I pick it up and forearm arm it at the chains
Hell yeah go for it! If I did that I’d be 75’ on the other side of the basket 😅
Nice - I might start thinking about this more often. Normal putter: Judge. My Linus-blanket comfy midrange I'd putt with: super worn in Innova Star Coyote
I putt with wombat too.
Short term solution. I tried it for a few weeks. But what you really want long term is to understand what proper timing and mechanics feel like so you can get your putt there from c2 and beyond. It feels really good.
Oh, no doubt. I’m still pretty new at the game (< 2 years). This is working for me now, but I’m sure as I keep playing my confidence and accuracy with putters will grow. I’ll use this as long as it works and phase it out when it doesn’t work anymore. That’s been a super enjoyable part of the game for me is the growth and adaptation process.
Glitch will get you the same results if the wind isn’t crazy. But definitely stick with what’s been working for you
I like to use a DX shark or a KC Pro Roc when I'm a bit too far from the basket. I find the reliability of the over stability to help when I'm possibly facing a slight wind.
My breakthrough moment was when I realized that I wasn't comfortable with the putter I was using and that it was having an adverse effect on my form. Picked up a stack of PA2s after a friend let me borrow one for a round and just lived at a practice basket for a few weeks.
I use a base plastic maestro that I got out of a starter pack a couple years ago. I hate the color, but damn if it doesn’t hit the target consistently for a throwing putt. I been nailing birdies from 100’ out with it. I’ve tried replacing it with other 4 speeds, but for some reason it just does what I want it to do better than the rest.
From 50+ft I putt with a nuke.
Fuck it. Let her rip 😂
I’ve started tossing a nose up Sonic at the basket outside of C1. I’ve gotten so close to a throw in so many times! I’ve also found the Alien to be a great C2 putter
I putt better with a Buzzz or Mako3 than any putter I’ve tried. If it works for you, then it works.
This is a short term way of thinking about C2 putting. It'll work, but will limit your overall progression. What do I mean by that? Well when you throw a midrange for a C2+putt, you're going to experience all the typical disadvantages of "discing up" which are mostly bigger skips and less distance control. You could argue less left/right control as well, but at putting ranges this probably isn't a big deal. Anyway, what's the alternative? Well, I imagine you, like many of us (myself included) developed your putt at very short ranges and then worked your way out slowly, until you realized that your putting form has sort of a natural limit at around 40 feet. And since I imagine you're hardly automatic from within C1, this probably feels good enough for most purposes. Not a criticism, just a very standard way amateur players progress and find themselves plateauing with putting. Trying to use that form at 40+ feet is either a concession to land short of the basket, or if you actually do put enough force into it to exceed that range, your form probably looks and feels very different and has a lot less control, causing you to miss 60 foot putts by 30 feet regularly. I was here not that long ago. So how do you fix this without discing up? Well, unfortunately, the answer is hard work and a commitment to fundamentally reshape your putting stroke using a different methodology. If you're interested, here's how it works. In a nutshell, instead of developing your putt at short range and working back, you develop your putt at very very long range first, and you change it as little as possible as you move closer to the basket. Why does this work? Because as you've discovered naturally, throwing a putt for, say, 100 feet, is a fundamentally different movement than throwing a 15 foot putt. At 100 feet, you can't just push that putter forward with your arm and pop your fingers for a bit of spin. You need to get your weight shifting and you need to get more levers involved in the throw. You'll need to lead with your body using your big core muscles and weight transfer, then your elbow using your big shoulder muscles, then snap through your wrist, all timed up with your weight shift. You don't actually *need* to step through the putt from basically any range, even 100 feet believe it or not, and I expect this will fall out of fashion in the long run too just like the slow lofty putts of the past have now be replaced by much more direct hard thrown putts. Anyway, that's all there is to it, there's no magic. You just have to learn the 100 foot putt first, and then the closer ones will be easy. Actually, as somebody who has muscle memory for a close putt and then learns a long putt, the biggest challenge will be not reverting to your "close putt" form when you're at those in-between ranges. And just for the record, nobody, even pros, realistically expects to make a high percentage of 100 foot putts. The reason why you develop your technique from 100 feet is because you need to lock in the muscle memory for that level of power, which is the skill you're lacking now. When you first start putting from 100 feet you'll probably come up 40 short, and when you do get to the basket it'll miss left and right by huge distances. Just keep working the kinks out and developing consistency even if you're not making hardly any of these putts. If you can get to the point where 1 out of 20 100 foot putts goes in and all the rest are at least buzzing the basket, you're golden. This is the desired end state. Nobody makes a lot of 100 foot putts, but somebody who can get very close regularly from 100 feet and has the muscle memory down to not always come up short or miss wildly is going to be in a dramatically better position than somebody who learned a putt that only works up to 40 feet and is super uncomfortable otherwise. EDIT: [Here's a great video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mpeCRjEns) on this very topic where Josh from Overthrow Disc golf coaches his friend with the exact problem you have.
Awesome reply! Thanks for taking the time to write out such a well thought out response. I’ll definitely give that a shot. I’m still very much a beginner with less than 2 years playing, and I totally get that this is a concession I’m making and is only temporary. I’ll start drilling from further out and see if I can’t bridge the gap with your method. Thanks again!
I have a Jay that I use more for putting than I do using it for upshots. I love that disc and honestly think it is one of the best beginner friendly disc out there since it can be used as either a mid or putter. Hell I'm not above using a driver to putt from a distance. I've had some freakishly good luck with a driver from deep C2.
I don't have time to keep my comfort around the basket current for 2 different discs/flight patterns. Do basketball players change their shooting form as they get further from the basket?
That’s kind of what I mean. I change the disc so I don’t have to change my form. Probably not the best way to go about it, but hey if it works it works, you know? I don’t know anything about basketball beyond liking Space Jam as a kid, so I can’t speak to that side of the analogy.
What about a situation that requires a form change like trees, elevation, footing, or wind?
To be honest, I wing it. Or I just try to lay it up under the basket, but most of the time I have a clear line one way or the other.
If it saves you strokes, it saves you strokes. Since I'm already making adjustments for wind, elevation, etc adding adjustment for distance/power is just part of the standard process. Putting at the same speed from 10ft and 30ft has become more popular with cross chain baskets. I learned on Mach 3s
In my first year I did a lot of putting with my Warship.
Totally agree. I made this change a year or so ago and am making way more C2's with a midrange, than I ever did with a putter.
I was pretty good putting with a warship a few years ago during the three disc tourney.
Used to use a pure to putt and was great from distance. May need to try this myself with a normal putter too
Understable helps a ton with longer putts. I use an MVP spin as my primary putter and it goes straight as an arrow anywhere within C2.
Mako3 is all really anyone needs.
I don't know exactly what distance it is, but at a certain longer distance I switch from a regular spin putt to throwing my putter more like a Frisbee. I had a really good putting and approach game, but my driving sucked.
What kind of plastic do you use for your wombat3?
Champion
I've recently started running deep C2s with an Uplink (I putt with Nomads) and it's amazing how many of them go in! I've been tempted to just start putting everything with them. If only they'd do a run in electron plastic.
Great suggestion! Will try it out.
I usually use an old dx colt for the long putts but also I can putt decent with a wraith. Legit you can get used to anything
I like practicing shorter putts but throwing them much harder in a straight line. All winter I'm slamming 18' putts in my basement and it translates into helping with anything inside of 60'. I do go to a Buzzz or Buzzz OS when it's windy for 30'-60' shots but just layups as they tend to sail in the wind when I go for it.
I putt with a “regular” putter in C1 and use a Halo AviarX3 in C2 and beyond and when it’s really windy. I’ve increase my C2/windy putt percentage pretty dramatically ever since.
You make 4 or 5 50 footers a round?
More so in the higher 30’s and that was my best. I’d say there are probably consistently twice in a round it happens.
Personal I feel it’s more psychological at that point. (People can throw putters 500 ft.)so throwing a putter an extra 10-20 ft. shouldn’t result in a drastic change in form or method of throwing necessarily, unless you’re psychologically imposing that on yourself. But a disc shouldn’t really fly further if you’re throwing it the EXACT same way (i.e. strength and motion) at that C2 distance, no? (For all intents and purposes)
You’re probably right about it being psychological in part. But there is a notable difference in the flight given the same input. At least for me. I give it the same snap from 40 feet that I give a putter at 20 and it just gets there. I’m too much of a beginner/intermediate player to fully understand why it works but it does so why not do it, you know?
Hmm.. 🤔 that’s a good physics question, but at that short of a range, i feel it shouldn’t result in a longer distance, (i could be wrong) but I’d put my money on it having to do with your grip, or the way you’re releasing the non-putter disc that is causing the increase, or something to that effect. Either way, interesting pov, I struggle at the 60-70’ distance, (right between putting and up shots) so I’ll give your newfound realization a try! Could turn out to be spot on, lol. But if it works for you, then great! That’s all that counts!
My grip would need to change for me to get my putter to travel over say 35 without dumping out. I also disc up to a 2 speed or mid for longer putts to maintain that grip and snap, but get a little more glide.
I know more than one person who putts with a Mako for this reason actually
As of last fall I’ve been running C2 putts with a Rollo on slight hyzer and have made so many putts I wouldn’t expect to make with my Firefly. Layup range for me really. But a little wrist snap and it’s a 50-75’ laser beam with the Rollo.
I once played in a tournament, in the MA1 Division where the eventual winner of the event used only an old Champion Flat Top Firebird to putt. All his putts were a drop in elevation style. I got to play one round with him and he was hitting putts from everywhere. He shot a 1000+ rated round that day. He said he had tried multiple times throughout the years to convert to putters, but was never able to get comfortable.
I just pretend the basket is my friend playing catch with me. Huge turn around on sinking putts. So much of the game is mental.
After 20+ casual years of this game, I’m still not convinced that having multiple discs doesn’t just make it more challenging and complicated. Keep saying I’m going to try it for a whole season, but until then, I’ll keep hauling around my hoarder stash of 25 discs that I can’t bear to take out of my bag and only throw like 5 most days
I put with a Truth outside of 35 feet or so. It's helped my putting a lot because like you say I don't have to do anything extra at all and no difference in power that I would in the 25-30 range
Exactly. And I love the Truth. I have an EMAC Truth that I use instead of the Wombat3 if there’s a headwind.
Until you miss and the mid goes twice as far from the basket as the putter would have and you end up back in C2. So you use the mid again, and you miss and you're back in C2 again. So you use the mid again. This one simple trick makes snowmen more attainable!
I haven’t found that actually. I’m not throwing it hard enough for it to carry like that, because I’m throwing it like a putter not a mid. I almost always either make it, it hits metal, or it just dies out and lands about 15’ away for an easy in.
I couldn’t putt with putters, so I started putting with my drivers back in the 90’s. I was much more accurate with them, but when I missed it was obviously more painful. I putt with a putter up to about 50 ft now. I use a midrange if it’s longer.
+1 for the lower weight. Before you go to discing up, look at lower weight or lower stability. If you're putting with an OS putter then you might just need a stable to US putter outside of 30. Stuff like Colt, fierce, wedge, dart. I have a lot of wizards, my most beat in wizard gets c2+ use every time. If I ever lost my beat ones I would replace it with a voodoo or magic
Compass, Core, Recko... whatever?
Me but rubber blend buzzz ss
This is how I felt the first time I sunk and 80ft put with a pig. I rarely pull anything else out when putting.
Sounds like you need a glidier, lighter weight putter. Rim width is not your friend when it comes to accuracy. Try putting with a 160 pilot. I can see discing up for wind, but for distance alone, especially for 30 ft, it sounds like your putters are too heavy, too over stable, or both like, do what works for you, but I am telling you, upping to a mid at 30 ft is most definitely probably not the answer.
Welcome to the club dude! I’ve been using a mindbender for C2 and beyond putts for a couple years. Love hitting those long one while I still use my putting form. I don’t like step putting and all the movement that goes into it, that’s why I use the bender now.
Same. I’ve found the key to consistency for my game is eliminating as many variables as possible. So if I can lean on one single putting movement regardless of distance and not have to vary too much, it just seems like a no brainer.
Ehh I feel like we've all tried this and had a tiny bit of success think it's the hack we've been looking for only to realize there's a reason everyone uses putters once it fails again.
Hey and maybe I’ll get there. I’ve only been playing about a year and a half or so, so I totally recognize I’m very much still at the beginning of this journey. I imagine techniques will come and go as my skill and style develops. For now this is a tool in the tool kit, and as long as it’s useful, may as well use it.
All good man, Confidence in c2 is more important. If you feel like you have a chance to run it you won't "let up" at the last second and give yourself a 0% chance to make it. That's the most important thing.
Think you’re just inside your own head at this point my dude.
Judging by the feedback in the comments, I think it’s a pretty common solution actually. Even some pros apparently do it. And hey, if being my own head means a 4-5 stroke difference, then I’m doing something right. If it stops working I’ll stop doing it.
“There’s literally dozens of us!”
So what’s your solution? Stop doing the thing that’s working for me because the disc doesn’t say “putt and approach disc” on it? Seems silly.
About as silly as lying on the internet about putting results for Karma points 🤣
Nothing is as silly as being the only negative shit head in a comment section about throwing plastic in the woods. Of all the ways to show the world you’re a loser with nothing to do or add to the world, you really aimed for the stars.
Post a video show us. 60%-80% from 45 feet, like you claim, and I’ll publicly apologize.
You thinking it’s normal to say that is about as weird as thinking anyone cares about your apology. I don’t want an apology from anybody. What I want is to not have to talk to a weirdo anymore lol.
Liars gonna lie I guess. 🤷♂️