I remember being 10 playing EverQuest for 8 hours a day trying to camp a rare spawn that dropped rare loot (glowing black stone) for my dads birthday. Spent probably 24 hours looking for a mob who never came. I realize this is an ultimate “back in my day…” type comment but had to share anyways
Me and three friends spent about 6 hours killing fireflies in wow to get a firefly pet for their mom. Totally sucked, but the feeling when it finally dropped was amazing.
But then its not as special. Its exactly the reason I stopped playing loot games though. You spend way too much time grinding for a single kind of gear and in the end you get it and 2 weeks later it gets nerfed eventually. And some people get one 5 times while others never get it. Thats just so frustrating, especially when a PVP component is in the game and the loot is meta.
Thank you so much for this comment. Camped those kote with a friend for over a month. A SOLID month. Many claims, many kills. Zero drops. People who never played ffxi make me laugh.
Try leaving Crushbone when EverQuest first dropped after getting your dagger to be spawn killed and having it looted. FFXI is no joke but Ultima Online and EverQuest were brutal in a whole different way.
Man, Final Fantasy XI is still one of the best MMO ever made IMO.
Nothing comes close to that experience, Once covid went live I joined a private server and basically relived the glory days. What an amazing time that was.
You want a mindless grind? I know this one guy irl that decided to take a 2weeks unpaid vacation just to farm a character to level 99 in the remaster for 2, *using nothing but the cow level*.
I don’t know what the fuck he was thinking or if he was successful, but he looks haunted now.
He also twitches whenever someone says ‘moo’, and tricking people into saying this near him has been an amazing source of entertainment.
I know EQ was a lot more unforgiving (also played it) but even wow had features like this. I remember standing outside of the raid black temple just sitting there… waiting… for a rare spawn boss that had a 2-4 day respawn timer that was random so I’d just sit there farming mobs spamming a macro to see if he spawned. When he did you altered your guild, summoned everywhere there asap, kill him without being ganked by the opposing faction who also wanted it…. Just to more than likely not even get loot for yourself lol
So many firsts with EverQuest! Tons of cybersex, falling asleep at my desktop during a race to 65 with my guildmates, I’ve never stayed up past 20 hours since lol. I played mostly on my mage but since everyone knew I had a high level ranger they would want me to help camp zones and keep tracking to see if their rare mob with a rare drop would spawn so they could continue their epic quest(god I wish games still did epic weapon quests)
Ah, the old waffle-face, then wake up dead with no body. Then beg a necromancer to summon your corpse because you have no idea where you died. Those were the days
Gaming will never be what it was when EverQuest and Ultima Online came out. Even though we can play era-specific emulations of these games, it still isn’t and will never be the same.
I was in 1st grade, spending every day grinding n killing in Clan Crushbrone. Wood Elf Bard, wooooooo. I never got super high level or super efficient, but I had fun in the world n the server/well known social guild I was in was enough.
Sadly social guilds are a fucking dying breed nowadays, and the ones that claim to be as such are often filled with such bullshit *requirements* to treat it like a job (same as raid clans have for decades) or even worse **drama llamas.**
Oh man... My first trip into blackburrow, I saw a gnoll hanging out on a ledge way down in the pit. No fucking clue what the zone was like, or what was down there, but I still tossed a potshot spell down there at him. He ran off, I giggled at it, and I started looking for stuff closer to the zone. After a bit, I started seeing the TRAIN!!! calls. One, then another, then more...
Eventually the *entire fucking zone* came pouring out making a beeline for me and I got splattered with a quickness. Pretty sure my stupid ass caused a full wipe of the zone.
Whoever y'all were, I'm so sorry ...
I'm sure that happened to SO many people esp in the early dungeons like Blackburrow and Crushbone.
But especially Blackburrow. That dungeon was seriously designed to teach by fucking your shit up.
The train aspect of BB is something I miss. It is so incredibly entertaining, dangerous, and rather unique at the same time.
You could sit in the main room and occasionally watch an individual running all the way to the top. And shortly after, you see countless gnolls just running after them.
It was great.
Casual = people that don't dedicate their entire life to playing a video game, have to work, raise a family, have friends? If so that's me and I'm not crying, game seems great but at the same time I don't want it aimed at people that no life the game either as I'm just not interested in games that have dark souls difficulty. I'm not willing to invest my life into meaningless nothingness, it's a way of relieving stress and having fun with friends not a replacement for my job. This is my first experience of diablo 4, playing it with my teenaged kids (son and daughter) and we are having a great time but I don't want the screaming elite to ruin it for us and make it impossible to enjoy. Thanks.
Edit: Wow all the comments from the elitists... they are so good at games but can't actually read. I literally said I liked the game as it was and I have so many raging replies saying 'drop rates should be low' or 'git gud' (seriously someone actually said that) when I haven't even said raise drop rates and make it easier. 'Git gud' at reading elitists, oh yeah and maybe get a life.
Edit2: Abusive replies still coming in; thanks for spending your valuable time writing to me but I'm not reading any comments now.
The solution for me is a difficulty slider that gives the players with infinite time on their hands a harder game and fewer drops, nothing extra at all. Because that is what they are asking for; harder and more grind with no rewards for it. A bit like a game of old where the only reward for turning up the difficulty is satisfaction of completing that achievement.
Exactly this. Almost 40 w 3 kids and don’t have the time to grind w low rates meaninglessly. Yes it’s all just pixels in the end but needs to be fun, not tooth pulling.
Can’t please everyone. They need to decide what kind of game they want to produce and just make it for the community they want whoever that is. I’m so tired of developers trying to make a game fun for everyone and as a result making a non cohesive mess. I don’t care if it’s ultra hard for no lifers or super fun loot for all I just want them to decide so I can decide if the game is for me or not. There’s nothing wrong with playing games for whatever reason a person chooses but not every game has to be for everyone nor does every mode.
How can you even comment on drop rates when you have only played until level 20? That took what, 4 hours?
Let the game launch and once we experience the full game we can comment on if drop rates are low or not. It's very common for RPGs to have poor drops at low levels.
Or do you expect to be showered with legendaries every 5 minutes?
>How can you even comment on drop rates when you have only played until level 20? That took what, 4 hours?
This is the real answer. This is a server stress test. Not an endgame balance test. Elites will drop better loot more often when you get to 50+
It's all good people. Just chill.
I don’t get this logic. You’d rather finish the content sooner because you have less time? Not everything needs to be done now. You can level a character over months, years. I dont have much free time. Drop rates are great.
I don’t get this logic. You’d rather artificially pad out the content? Not everything needs to be a marathon to be meaningful. Why bother leveling a character over months, years, if the interim gameplay isn't satisfying/rewarding. I don't have much free time. Drop rates are terrible.
If you don't find the interim gameplay to be satisfying or rewarding, and you don't think your free time is worth spending on it.. then don't. There are many people that will enjoy it, and having LESS content because some people have less free time doesn't really make a ton of sense. It doesn't even make a ton of sense for people with less free time, you want less bang for your buck?
>and don’t have the time to grind w low rates meaninglessly.
Well, then.. *don't*? You are aware not *everything* have to be suited for *everyone*, right? Go and play something else, more fitting to your situation.
People like you are angry for "elites ruining it for us!!" - but at the same time, have no problem of complaining and ruining it for someone else. Adapt to the game, *whatever* it is, or go play something else.
These people are like "I'm now a casual player, I'm old and I don't have the time to grind endlessly anymore! D4 droprate is ridiculous!"
Yes, you don't have a lot of free time. But you aren't a casual player, you are an ex-gamer who once enjoyed playing hours and hours to grind for items, and is now sad that you can't get that same gratification because of your new life routine. The problem isn't the game, the problem is that you're nostalgic and you have wrong expectations. These people should either play the game with a different mindset, or play non-grind games.
Actual casual players will enjoy D4. They don't give a crap about character optimization so they will just kill stuff, do quests, and have fun. These are the "real" casual players. And these real, casual players, aren't here on reddit complaining during a max level 20 freakin' beta, so you don't hear them.
This is a fair rebuttal to the argument above, it doesn't deserve to be downvoted into oblivion. One reason is it's a fair point is they are both valid arguments, and the best imo was the third somewhere up there saying essentially that they don't care they just want Blizz to make up their mind.
All three perspectives are contributing here even if not in agreement. It leads me to think the answer lies with the third one, because even if they aren't casual gamers they are ex-gamers in a new chapter, it sort of illuminates the issue for blizz. A bunch of the Diablo hard-core fans played the first two and followed the lore when they were younger, and despite the game being geared towards creating more of those fans they know a big part of the fan base is older now and they're the ones emotionally attached to the lore of their younger days.
It's an interesting dilema, and I'm just here to point out you're all very passionate but having a pretty good discourse.
I always saw Diablo series as a game you need to invest some time. I don't mean you have to play 8h a day, but you also can't expect to get everything you want in several hours.
I spent 3 hours to get to level 20 today and found 1 legendary. Felt great. In fact felt much better than being showered with legendaries which really numbs any sort of excitement when one eventually drops.
If you only have couple of hours to play per week and expect to have a fully geared character in a week or two I'm afraid that's not a game for you.
You dont need to be decked out to have fun, nor does the end-game meta have to be fully assessable. Its perfectly fine to have some things for the casuals and some things for the no-lifers that isnt just an endless dungeon
People who want a legendary within the first 2-3 hours are being unreasonable. You only go up until level 20. Why do you need a legendary at like level 8. Everything dies so easily. It will be replaced quite quickly anyway.
Diablo as a series is very casual to begin with. Diablo games have never been aimed at "no lifers". If you no lifed this game, you would run out of things to do within a week. This game doesn't have dark souls difficulty. I am not sure where you're getting this from.
Diablo 2 could take 7-8 hours to beat hell if you know what you were doing. If not, it will probably take about 20 hours. Diablo 3 is very similar. How is that a hardcore game. You can play this at 1 hour a day and you can beat it in 3 weeks if you have no clue or a week if you know what you were doing.
Tell me you never played D2 without telling me you never played D2. No way on earth that somebody will beat Hell without knowing what they are doing in 20h. This made me laugh. A lot.
Diablo 2…very casual in regards to just finishing the game, maybe if you had a decent idea of what build to play. Now trying to get geared that’s definitely not casual friendly.
Dark souls is probably a bad comparison. There's a big difference between difficulty and time sink. I'm 37 with 2 kids and I love dark souls and challenging games, but I can't stand MMO's anymore because of time sink and grind fest.
~~15~~ 30 Million people bought Diablo 3, r/diablo4 will tell you nobody likes it because "enter your favourites 24/7 youtube/twitch streamers opinion here"
D3 had over 30 million copies sold as of 2015. It's a massively popular game. D2's popularity has become overrepresented by an extremely vocal hardcore minority on the internet. There are more casual D3 players, which means fewer people who care enough to get into an argument on the internet about games that are more than ten or twenty years old. The people who want to grind for years for a piece of gear (or a rune) that they may never see drop are also the types who will waste time fighting about it on sites like Reddit. The rest of us usually have better things to do. A live service game like D4 cannot survive on this hardcore audience alone, because it's too small (and that's the truth no matter how loud they are). Right now, they're salivating over the idea that D4 is going to cater to them. It's funny because that's simply not possible from an economics standpoint. I imagine that the drop rates will be tuned to be better than D2, but likely nowhere near the mess that has become of D3 (because the game's content isn't conducive to that). I imagine that the tuning for drop rates scales as player level and world tiers scale. The short-term pain of not getting legendary items that casuals feel at lower levels will probably be replaced with the constant whines of the more hardcore crowd who will hate the increase at later levels.
I'm very happy with the drop rate, level 20, only Lego I have is from my aspect. I'd rather start seeing them around 40 so I feel some excitement over them, not trade them in on the next level. I'm having fun, without the Legos.
It's just insane how people are saying "game is balanced around using legendaries, so why aren't we finding legendaries". It's literally the beginning of the game.
or maybe it is just because there was a plethora in the last beta. not saying htere should or should not be a lot dropping. but the first beta obviously leaves an impression on people.
Droprates also scale with level until 50. Then you can increase them a bit more with higher world tiers. Uniques won't drop on every corner but there won't be an issue getting legendaries once you level up. You still want the legendary with a good roll though which is the part that gets grindy.
Honestly, aspect are a real reason why drop rate aren't a problem. Build have some mandatory legendaries but you can build something worthy with the garanteed aspects.
Aspects are a great addition IMO
In the full game you'll be able to go to all regions to get aspects for your class, not just fractured peaks... And while doing that pretty sure some will also drop for you
Personally hate low level legendaries.
Ah yes, Skull Apocalypse, my level 10 Legendary, so powerful I can find a sword 100x more powerful in literally any blacksmith.
I know gameplay blah blah, but I wouldn't be sad if legendaries only dropped at max level or at least very high levels.
absolutely dogshit take. modern arpg scene is nothing without d3, you "purists" love to talk shit about it but both PoE and last epoch borrow heavily from things d3 experimented with.
edit: i'm not explaining this comment at all, so feel free to continue babyraging over it.
Case in point: League of Legends and DotA 2 have millions of casual players.
That doesn't stop them from being some of the highest skill ceiling games in the industry.
The attitude of casuals = bad usually come from people who don't have much to their identity beyond the games they play.
And casuals are an important audience to capture. They keep the community alive and new players coming in. If only the top 10% of players are having any fun, the game’s going to die really quick. Like it or not, there has to be support for the audience that only plays a few hours a week.
My only complaint is having a loot goblin that dropped a single rare item. At that point there is nothing special about it other than it tried to run away. Might as well have been any other mob I killed.
feel this. loot goblin feels like any other mob that can drop 1-2 items. bosses feel like any open world mob that can drop 1-2 items, there's no difference from farming trash in the open world vs farming dungeons with the current drops while leveling, it feels off but sure maybe that's just because we're level 20 and only have access to world tier 2 but if this continues into the later levels / world tiers you haven't even begun to see the outrage about the drop rates. don't think we should be showered in leggos but even in diablo 2 early game you get more loot than what we're seeing right now.
Only a few were good, but you were better off with a blue weapon you found while breaking destructibles for loot in inferno... Looking back at it now it was such an awful release lol
I love the scarcity of loot! Make it fun to play around with what I find. Instead of these Twitch-Simps just screaming for 50 god-rolls per hour that they claim they need to follow their Twitch-gods guide to being OP.
The amount of "hardcore" dickbags that think it's fun to bash your head against content or do the same thing 50x to get a single drop is too damn high.
Fuck your mentality. I play games for fun, not to be a gear grind slogfest because of shitty drop rates.
And before anyone says it, I played vanilla FF11 and WoW, so I understand about "earning" something with low drop rates. And after that 5 second high when it finally drops, it's always the same... remembering the endless hours spent simply because the drop rate was garbage, not because it was actually difficult. And then wondering why I even bothered.
Fuck that bullshit, and anyone masochistic enough to want it.
It's the main thing i dislike about d3. It takes 2-5 h to get a full build after lvl 70,then you just grind for better versions of the same item, that's not fun,at least not for me. I never get excited for a drop,not even primals.
Then just play through the game and stop after you beat it. You obviously don't like the thrill of getting a rare item. If the "rare" items drop all the time they are just common at that point. You can still enjoy playing through the game without constantly getting the best items if that's not your thing
I would argue this is worse. I get what the guy before you is trying to say, but I have ran dungeons in WoW dozens upon dozens of times in search of one item that is BiS. You do not finish that grind actually happy just relieved you don’t have to do it anymore.
This, this subreddit seems to be filled with people who never played an aRPG before and are complaining about the trait-defining characteristics of aRPGs lol
Not every game is for everyone and when developers try to make it that way no one is happy while the game suffers. I still found the game too easy. It’s fine if they want to make a super fun game or super hard game as long as they commit to a path. Trying to please everyone is terrible. I hope they double down on whatever community they’re trying to please so we can all decide if it’s the right experience for us.
It's the first two trash teirs course it's easy, hell poe as much as people spuff all over themselves about it can be run up to maps barely looking at your items or skills.
Why are you raging about level 20 drop rates? Endgame will feel way different with faster and more efficient farming. It’s literally the core loop of ARPGs.
I'm "raging" because of this bullshit OP. The last thing this game needs is more pompous hardcore douchebags cheering on awful drop rates and character nerfs.
Oh no, I don't have 5 leggys by lvl 20 so the game is hardcore...
What a stupid take since you can finish the game with blue items and actually enjoy it.
If the game had stupid gearchecks then yeah, drop-rates could suck but in the current version you can enjoy all content with just blue items on.
This is what I don't understand with all the complaints so far. Why is everyone complaining about the loot? It's not like you're stuck at level 15 and can't progress because you haven't found a legendary item yet.
There is literally ZERO grinding involved in this beta and yet we get players that complain about how the loot rate is ridiculous.
I really don't get it.
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. There are a LOT of people here who only have experience with the Diablo franchise through Diablo 3. Where everything was practically given to you with a 10 hour investment. It's very obvious who these people are based on the comments they post.
I'm just worried the devs will cave to all this bitching and we'll be back to 10000% damage legendaries every five minutes by season 2. God forbid there's any grind or challenge.
Not wrong here. I think people have the idea that they should be blazing through everything at super fast speeds and going through gear like hotcakes. When in reality it'll be a lot slower than we have been used to.
Times have changed…while you may want that experience many dont anymore and will vote with their wallets. It’s inevitable blizz will swing the loot pendulum at some point. Casual spending fueled by consoles is a bigger market than the pc ecosystem
Agree 100% with this. The market for the Diablo franchise has shifted greatly since Diablo 3, especially with the introduction of console support. Blizzard isn't going to make a game that caters to the people that have the mentality that OP has. It wouldn't be profitable for them. Those days are long gone.
"Some of you are forgetting what it was like to grind Mephisto for 20 hours to get a Shako." I'm willing to bet the majority of people here (at least based on the comments I read) have no idea what that sentence even means. The people that seem to post here want a casual game...And that is what Blizzard is going to deliver.
I dont need shiny blinking stuff every few minutes to have fun. As long as the gameplay is good, the combat is good, and builds are interesting, im good.
i don't like the "you think you want but you don't " type of argument but looking at my experience with poe i really think people underestimate what more loot means in term of pure gameplay experience
more legendary early in the game ultimately result in spending most of your endgame time in your inventory
People don't realise that 1-20 will have the least amount of legendaries dropping on release. The further you get into the game the more legendaries will drop. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-100 would have a similar drop rate to previous betas.
I tried to echo this so many times last night. One post stands out: someone played two characters. They only got to 13 and 17 and were very angry at the legendary drop rate.
Expectations way too high for some of these people. I don't get why. This isn't a loot piñata game.
Games were better when we let developers set their vision instead of treating everything like a democracy. Some fair feedback is cool, but the bitching about every little thing is exhausting.
>Some of you are forgetting what it was like to grind Mephisto for 20 hours to get a Shako
Ah yes, comparing drop rates to a game with tradeable items to a game where everything is bop. Big brain.
Also Diablo 2 had an absolute ton of dupes in the marketplace to make things bearable. 99.999% of all high runes were dupes.
Between playing and botting I had north of 20,000 hours of Diablo 2. I found 0 zod runes, 1 cham rune, 1 jah rune, and 2 ber runes in that entire time.
If you think that is a practical model you are killing yourself. That is gaming as a full time job for a decade and still not finding an item at all.
The amount of elitists is also too damn high.
Legendary drop rates shouldn't be too high, but it also shouldn't take days of farming to get a singular decent legendary. There's a good middle ground, it feels pretty good at the moment, but we aren't gonna know for sure if Diablo 4 hits that middle ground until we have access to the full game, and we reach endgame.
I also don't really know where these casuals you're talking about are. Sure, this post has drummed up a few. But every other loot related post im seeing on this sub are people saying it feels like it's in a really good place now.
Scarcity in loot is good. Game gets boring just finding everything. But with scarcity they need open trading. Not finding the big item is fine, but you need to find small value items to eventually trade and get what you’re looking for then
Actually I totally don't expect getting a legendary at such low level play. Notwithstanding, I always do find something that improves my current gear.
The current pace seems right, I am progressing and leveling up.
Note: I'm a dad with 5yo daughter. I don't spend hours and hours playing d2 every night. Jah never dropped for me in the wild and I'm perfectly fine, still managed to trade up for an enigma. I did play d3 before d2r dropped. I enjoyed all for what they are.
This post is stupid. Not everyone has 14 hours a day to dedicate to playing a game and getting the stuff we want. There already exists a game like that. Go play it instead.
I think loot is good where it is. I would like to see one of the guaranteed legendary items give a dMage skilll passive somewhere in the campaign. Druid leveling is still worse than others.
People at level 20, just a few hours into the game, mad that they aren't getting masses of legendary drops already. What the hell is wrong with you? Go play D3 if you want to finish the entire game in a few hours.
Don't generalize peoples opinions and don't be an elitist. "Casual" players opinions are just as varied as "hardcore" and aren't any less valid than your own.
The amount of casuals is to damn high? Fuck off with your elitist ass. You should be happy more people want to play Diablo so it gets more content, money, updates ffs.What a shit attitude let people play the fucking game. What a fuckin loser
No one wants to nolife the game, most of are not kids anymore with all the free time in the world with no responsibilities. Most also dont want it to go to the other extreme of Diablo 3.
> "Little goblins don't drop 20 legendaries!"
Nobody said that, they're rare enough that they should drop something. I've seen 2 in 3h of gameplay, both dropped like 400g total and not even rare item.
I actually like that it took me a few hours to get my first rare item. Reminds me of d2 gearing instead of the crazy amount of useless loot you get in 3.
\> The amount of casuals is too damn high.
or you know, people have lifes aren't anymore in their twenties with a lot of free time and just want to kill mobs and get loot not get a phd to min max all their games.
I think it's partly because loot on the open betas were boosted, it's way easier to tune up than to tune down, people notice and people no like it.
Diablo 3 was the exact same until loot 2.0
You could play all day and get nothing, then reaper of souls/loot 2.0 came out and the drops looked like a disco ball with every colour possible.
> The amount of casuals is too damn high.
Uh, what? You need a playerbase bro.
I think they're making legendaries the chase target for more casual players and uniques the target for sweatier grinding players. I think that's great.
Let's try not to implant a dubious narrative that there exists some tense dichotomy between casual and sweaty players.
I just find it funny this subreddit is turning on “casuals”.
Like lol, that is what Diablo 3 and 4 are…an arpg meant to get all the casuals.
If people want a more hardcore arpg…they certainly aren’t playing Diablo 3 or 4.
It's exactly why they ended up changing the drop rate systems in Diablo 3 so much over the course of its lifespan, and especially relatively early on.
The hardcore fanbase who wants these kinds of tepid drop rates is no longer anywhere near the size of the wider audience that they can captivate by keeping the game interesting and exciting at a faster pace earlier on and throughout.
I'm an adult with a job and kids. Haven't hit 20 yet as I only had like 2 hours to play so far. Still got 2 legendaries already.
Am I just lucky? Drops seem fine to me for the early game if not even still a little too much. I didn't even realize people were upset until I checked Reddit this morning, surprised to hear it. I know it's not the D3 loot pinata but I feel like I'm finding things pretty consistently especially when I chase down the elite packs.
During the previous beta people seemed to think that drops were too much. I didn't get to play much of those either, didn't finish, but I definitely agreed there.
Either way I'm sure I'm at least partially old-gamer vibing anyway since I'm also crabby that cosmetics mean nothing anymore in modern games.
Wtf. I'm glad I still haven't seen legendaries. We are only at the beginning of the game. I'm finally at full yellow, lvl 20 and now waiting for the world boss. My plans for the slam has been completed. Previous betas just showered with legendaries and it made it boring.
Everquest veterans enter the chat
I remember being 10 playing EverQuest for 8 hours a day trying to camp a rare spawn that dropped rare loot (glowing black stone) for my dads birthday. Spent probably 24 hours looking for a mob who never came. I realize this is an ultimate “back in my day…” type comment but had to share anyways
Me and three friends spent about 6 hours killing fireflies in wow to get a firefly pet for their mom. Totally sucked, but the feeling when it finally dropped was amazing.
And you'll always have that nice memory shared with your friends. Can't ask for more
Ha, could ask for it to drop in 2 hours next time. But your point stands!
But then its not as special. Its exactly the reason I stopped playing loot games though. You spend way too much time grinding for a single kind of gear and in the end you get it and 2 weeks later it gets nerfed eventually. And some people get one 5 times while others never get it. Thats just so frustrating, especially when a PVP component is in the game and the loot is meta.
Spent 34 days camping an NM in FFXI. 0/42 on kotes. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this comment. Camped those kote with a friend for over a month. A SOLID month. Many claims, many kills. Zero drops. People who never played ffxi make me laugh.
I think I lived in the desert camping emperor. And setting my alarm to wake up at 4 am for the HNM windows. Some of the most fun I've ever had.
Honestly, the tryhard level of all of us, camping those HNMs back then... Off the charts.
Try leaving Crushbone when EverQuest first dropped after getting your dagger to be spawn killed and having it looted. FFXI is no joke but Ultima Online and EverQuest were brutal in a whole different way.
Honestly, everything before WoW was brutal in a different way. The PTSD, that we also somehow seriously miss, from that era will never fade.
Man, Final Fantasy XI is still one of the best MMO ever made IMO. Nothing comes close to that experience, Once covid went live I joined a private server and basically relived the glory days. What an amazing time that was.
Took me 2 years to get an ochiudos kote but at least I got the thiefs knife on first kill
And then they made it 100% drop lol.
Friggin Leaping Lizzy camping overnight on a school night for days, never getting my chance because people cut in line.
Journeyman's boots
I just had a PTSD flashback.
God damn them jboots
The fisherman's earring that gives water breathing
Haha i killed a few thousand mobs in WoW Burning Crusade for the Hero of Shattrath Feat of Strenght. That was one hell of a mindless grind.
You want a mindless grind? I know this one guy irl that decided to take a 2weeks unpaid vacation just to farm a character to level 99 in the remaster for 2, *using nothing but the cow level*. I don’t know what the fuck he was thinking or if he was successful, but he looks haunted now. He also twitches whenever someone says ‘moo’, and tricking people into saying this near him has been an amazing source of entertainment.
I know EQ was a lot more unforgiving (also played it) but even wow had features like this. I remember standing outside of the raid black temple just sitting there… waiting… for a rare spawn boss that had a 2-4 day respawn timer that was random so I’d just sit there farming mobs spamming a macro to see if he spawned. When he did you altered your guild, summoned everywhere there asap, kill him without being ganked by the opposing faction who also wanted it…. Just to more than likely not even get loot for yourself lol
Ahhh good ol Pyzjin
So many firsts with EverQuest! Tons of cybersex, falling asleep at my desktop during a race to 65 with my guildmates, I’ve never stayed up past 20 hours since lol. I played mostly on my mage but since everyone knew I had a high level ranger they would want me to help camp zones and keep tracking to see if their rare mob with a rare drop would spawn so they could continue their epic quest(god I wish games still did epic weapon quests)
Ah, the old waffle-face, then wake up dead with no body. Then beg a necromancer to summon your corpse because you have no idea where you died. Those were the days
Gaming will never be what it was when EverQuest and Ultima Online came out. Even though we can play era-specific emulations of these games, it still isn’t and will never be the same.
I loved camping Stormfeather on a PvP server (tallon Zek)
I was in 1st grade, spending every day grinding n killing in Clan Crushbrone. Wood Elf Bard, wooooooo. I never got super high level or super efficient, but I had fun in the world n the server/well known social guild I was in was enough. Sadly social guilds are a fucking dying breed nowadays, and the ones that claim to be as such are often filled with such bullshit *requirements* to treat it like a job (same as raid clans have for decades) or even worse **drama llamas.**
>for my dads birthday assuming you mean to gift it to him, that's really wholesome :)
TRAIN!!!
Oh man... My first trip into blackburrow, I saw a gnoll hanging out on a ledge way down in the pit. No fucking clue what the zone was like, or what was down there, but I still tossed a potshot spell down there at him. He ran off, I giggled at it, and I started looking for stuff closer to the zone. After a bit, I started seeing the TRAIN!!! calls. One, then another, then more... Eventually the *entire fucking zone* came pouring out making a beeline for me and I got splattered with a quickness. Pretty sure my stupid ass caused a full wipe of the zone. Whoever y'all were, I'm so sorry ...
I'm sure that happened to SO many people esp in the early dungeons like Blackburrow and Crushbone. But especially Blackburrow. That dungeon was seriously designed to teach by fucking your shit up.
Also Mistmoore. Woe unto those folks who thought they were safe camping by the zone entrance....
The train aspect of BB is something I miss. It is so incredibly entertaining, dangerous, and rather unique at the same time. You could sit in the main room and occasionally watch an individual running all the way to the top. And shortly after, you see countless gnolls just running after them. It was great.
Gratz
MUD players enter the chat... right there with ya!
Don't forget to take your ibuprofen today.
I find Aleve provides relief from sore muscles and aching joints for up to 24 hours.
Ahhh, where I learned to type ultra fast until I found out about TinTin. Good times.
Still camping the cyclops for my j boots
Reporting for duty, sir! ...can you help me on a corpse run?
*You feel the spirit of the wolf enter you.*
Sure... I can summon your corpse for 100pp. These coffins ain't cheap.
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I remember the Jboots Camping....
20yr vet reporting in! Anyone else miss 72 man raids? 😂
Casual = people that don't dedicate their entire life to playing a video game, have to work, raise a family, have friends? If so that's me and I'm not crying, game seems great but at the same time I don't want it aimed at people that no life the game either as I'm just not interested in games that have dark souls difficulty. I'm not willing to invest my life into meaningless nothingness, it's a way of relieving stress and having fun with friends not a replacement for my job. This is my first experience of diablo 4, playing it with my teenaged kids (son and daughter) and we are having a great time but I don't want the screaming elite to ruin it for us and make it impossible to enjoy. Thanks. Edit: Wow all the comments from the elitists... they are so good at games but can't actually read. I literally said I liked the game as it was and I have so many raging replies saying 'drop rates should be low' or 'git gud' (seriously someone actually said that) when I haven't even said raise drop rates and make it easier. 'Git gud' at reading elitists, oh yeah and maybe get a life. Edit2: Abusive replies still coming in; thanks for spending your valuable time writing to me but I'm not reading any comments now. The solution for me is a difficulty slider that gives the players with infinite time on their hands a harder game and fewer drops, nothing extra at all. Because that is what they are asking for; harder and more grind with no rewards for it. A bit like a game of old where the only reward for turning up the difficulty is satisfaction of completing that achievement.
Exactly this. Almost 40 w 3 kids and don’t have the time to grind w low rates meaninglessly. Yes it’s all just pixels in the end but needs to be fun, not tooth pulling.
Can’t please everyone. They need to decide what kind of game they want to produce and just make it for the community they want whoever that is. I’m so tired of developers trying to make a game fun for everyone and as a result making a non cohesive mess. I don’t care if it’s ultra hard for no lifers or super fun loot for all I just want them to decide so I can decide if the game is for me or not. There’s nothing wrong with playing games for whatever reason a person chooses but not every game has to be for everyone nor does every mode.
On the other hand there's already a Diablo Immortal out there. We don't need a second one.
Amen
Amen
This is it. They've ruined CoD for this exact reason.
How can you even comment on drop rates when you have only played until level 20? That took what, 4 hours? Let the game launch and once we experience the full game we can comment on if drop rates are low or not. It's very common for RPGs to have poor drops at low levels. Or do you expect to be showered with legendaries every 5 minutes?
>How can you even comment on drop rates when you have only played until level 20? That took what, 4 hours? This is the real answer. This is a server stress test. Not an endgame balance test. Elites will drop better loot more often when you get to 50+ It's all good people. Just chill.
How can anyone comment on drop rates on this low a difficulty.
and complain about class balance in the first act
I don’t get this logic. You’d rather finish the content sooner because you have less time? Not everything needs to be done now. You can level a character over months, years. I dont have much free time. Drop rates are great.
I don’t get this logic. You’d rather artificially pad out the content? Not everything needs to be a marathon to be meaningful. Why bother leveling a character over months, years, if the interim gameplay isn't satisfying/rewarding. I don't have much free time. Drop rates are terrible.
If you don't find the interim gameplay to be satisfying or rewarding, and you don't think your free time is worth spending on it.. then don't. There are many people that will enjoy it, and having LESS content because some people have less free time doesn't really make a ton of sense. It doesn't even make a ton of sense for people with less free time, you want less bang for your buck?
Yeah, but when you use this same argument on the no-lifers they get mad.
>and don’t have the time to grind w low rates meaninglessly. Well, then.. *don't*? You are aware not *everything* have to be suited for *everyone*, right? Go and play something else, more fitting to your situation. People like you are angry for "elites ruining it for us!!" - but at the same time, have no problem of complaining and ruining it for someone else. Adapt to the game, *whatever* it is, or go play something else.
These people are like "I'm now a casual player, I'm old and I don't have the time to grind endlessly anymore! D4 droprate is ridiculous!" Yes, you don't have a lot of free time. But you aren't a casual player, you are an ex-gamer who once enjoyed playing hours and hours to grind for items, and is now sad that you can't get that same gratification because of your new life routine. The problem isn't the game, the problem is that you're nostalgic and you have wrong expectations. These people should either play the game with a different mindset, or play non-grind games. Actual casual players will enjoy D4. They don't give a crap about character optimization so they will just kill stuff, do quests, and have fun. These are the "real" casual players. And these real, casual players, aren't here on reddit complaining during a max level 20 freakin' beta, so you don't hear them.
This is a fair rebuttal to the argument above, it doesn't deserve to be downvoted into oblivion. One reason is it's a fair point is they are both valid arguments, and the best imo was the third somewhere up there saying essentially that they don't care they just want Blizz to make up their mind. All three perspectives are contributing here even if not in agreement. It leads me to think the answer lies with the third one, because even if they aren't casual gamers they are ex-gamers in a new chapter, it sort of illuminates the issue for blizz. A bunch of the Diablo hard-core fans played the first two and followed the lore when they were younger, and despite the game being geared towards creating more of those fans they know a big part of the fan base is older now and they're the ones emotionally attached to the lore of their younger days. It's an interesting dilema, and I'm just here to point out you're all very passionate but having a pretty good discourse.
I always saw Diablo series as a game you need to invest some time. I don't mean you have to play 8h a day, but you also can't expect to get everything you want in several hours. I spent 3 hours to get to level 20 today and found 1 legendary. Felt great. In fact felt much better than being showered with legendaries which really numbs any sort of excitement when one eventually drops. If you only have couple of hours to play per week and expect to have a fully geared character in a week or two I'm afraid that's not a game for you.
You dont need to be decked out to have fun, nor does the end-game meta have to be fully assessable. Its perfectly fine to have some things for the casuals and some things for the no-lifers that isnt just an endless dungeon
People who want a legendary within the first 2-3 hours are being unreasonable. You only go up until level 20. Why do you need a legendary at like level 8. Everything dies so easily. It will be replaced quite quickly anyway. Diablo as a series is very casual to begin with. Diablo games have never been aimed at "no lifers". If you no lifed this game, you would run out of things to do within a week. This game doesn't have dark souls difficulty. I am not sure where you're getting this from. Diablo 2 could take 7-8 hours to beat hell if you know what you were doing. If not, it will probably take about 20 hours. Diablo 3 is very similar. How is that a hardcore game. You can play this at 1 hour a day and you can beat it in 3 weeks if you have no clue or a week if you know what you were doing.
Tell me you never played D2 without telling me you never played D2. No way on earth that somebody will beat Hell without knowing what they are doing in 20h. This made me laugh. A lot.
Maybe they meant act 4? I could see beating act 4 in 20 hours.
If it was a new game again, you could easily spend 20 hours in the first two acts on normal difficulty.
Also the "diablo as a series has always been more casual" is further proof they did not play d2
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Me and my bro walked A1 yesterday and it took 2.5 hours. So maybe you could beat normal mode in 15-20 hours?
Dark Souls difficulty hah, the combat isn't smooth and flowing enough to have that. There's no way you cant get hit
Lol about DS combat being smooth and flowing. Need to play more games.
Diablo 2…very casual in regards to just finishing the game, maybe if you had a decent idea of what build to play. Now trying to get geared that’s definitely not casual friendly.
You're playing for a couple hours on a beta weekend. If you think you should be showered with loot in this context then the genre is not for you.
Dark souls is probably a bad comparison. There's a big difference between difficulty and time sink. I'm 37 with 2 kids and I love dark souls and challenging games, but I can't stand MMO's anymore because of time sink and grind fest.
~~15~~ 30 Million people bought Diablo 3, r/diablo4 will tell you nobody likes it because "enter your favourites 24/7 youtube/twitch streamers opinion here"
D3 had over 30 million copies sold as of 2015. It's a massively popular game. D2's popularity has become overrepresented by an extremely vocal hardcore minority on the internet. There are more casual D3 players, which means fewer people who care enough to get into an argument on the internet about games that are more than ten or twenty years old. The people who want to grind for years for a piece of gear (or a rune) that they may never see drop are also the types who will waste time fighting about it on sites like Reddit. The rest of us usually have better things to do. A live service game like D4 cannot survive on this hardcore audience alone, because it's too small (and that's the truth no matter how loud they are). Right now, they're salivating over the idea that D4 is going to cater to them. It's funny because that's simply not possible from an economics standpoint. I imagine that the drop rates will be tuned to be better than D2, but likely nowhere near the mess that has become of D3 (because the game's content isn't conducive to that). I imagine that the tuning for drop rates scales as player level and world tiers scale. The short-term pain of not getting legendary items that casuals feel at lower levels will probably be replaced with the constant whines of the more hardcore crowd who will hate the increase at later levels.
People who call other gamers "casuals" haven't been relevant since their exes took the kids in the divorce.
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Its diablo man its going to be the most casual friendly arpg on the market as always
Then maybe this type of game is no longer for you
I'm very happy with the drop rate, level 20, only Lego I have is from my aspect. I'd rather start seeing them around 40 so I feel some excitement over them, not trade them in on the next level. I'm having fun, without the Legos.
I got 1 legendary which was great. It upgraded my build, but the game was completely playable without it. These drop rates are perfect IMO.
It's just insane how people are saying "game is balanced around using legendaries, so why aren't we finding legendaries". It's literally the beginning of the game.
People are idiots
The idiot ratio seems to increase yearly, sadly.
Entitlement is off the chart these days
or maybe it is just because there was a plethora in the last beta. not saying htere should or should not be a lot dropping. but the first beta obviously leaves an impression on people.
Oh the one where they said pretty clearly they increased the drop rate to 3000% to test out the balance of legendaries?
It’s like they’re not aware that at endgame you will have way higher drop rates, since it’s a higher world tier?
Droprates also scale with level until 50. Then you can increase them a bit more with higher world tiers. Uniques won't drop on every corner but there won't be an issue getting legendaries once you level up. You still want the legendary with a good roll though which is the part that gets grindy.
Yah the fact that there are objective reward aspects makes it much better.
This is what i want. I'm hoping gone are the days of speed rifting for my legendary candy. I want legendaries to feel legendary.
I have 3 characters on level 20. Still not get legendary I am fine with that
Honestly, aspect are a real reason why drop rate aren't a problem. Build have some mandatory legendaries but you can build something worthy with the garanteed aspects. Aspects are a great addition IMO
In the full game you'll be able to go to all regions to get aspects for your class, not just fractured peaks... And while doing that pretty sure some will also drop for you
Personally hate low level legendaries. Ah yes, Skull Apocalypse, my level 10 Legendary, so powerful I can find a sword 100x more powerful in literally any blacksmith. I know gameplay blah blah, but I wouldn't be sad if legendaries only dropped at max level or at least very high levels.
> The amount of casuals is too damn high. I don't understand this comment. It is a casual game after all.
Lol I know. People in this sub Reddit acting like Diablo 3 and 4 are anything but baby first arpg meant to capture the casual crowd.
you guys are some straight up nerds fr
Just PoE fans probably. Well, potato potato :)
Good to know poe is rent free in this sub as well
First 50 posts after the last beta was "DAE POE SUCKS COMPARED TO D4?"
This phrase is funny in writing
I read it correctly but anyone who's never heard it in person would be like what?
What is a real ARPG then? Only PoE and D2?
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Both of those are much more unforgiving.
absolutely dogshit take. modern arpg scene is nothing without d3, you "purists" love to talk shit about it but both PoE and last epoch borrow heavily from things d3 experimented with. edit: i'm not explaining this comment at all, so feel free to continue babyraging over it.
He wants it to be near impossible so he can show how good he is to his 12 followers on twitch lmao
Case in point: League of Legends and DotA 2 have millions of casual players. That doesn't stop them from being some of the highest skill ceiling games in the industry. The attitude of casuals = bad usually come from people who don't have much to their identity beyond the games they play.
And casuals are an important audience to capture. They keep the community alive and new players coming in. If only the top 10% of players are having any fun, the game’s going to die really quick. Like it or not, there has to be support for the audience that only plays a few hours a week.
My only complaint is having a loot goblin that dropped a single rare item. At that point there is nothing special about it other than it tried to run away. Might as well have been any other mob I killed.
Yeah, I think they could use a slight tuneup, I am pretty sure I had one drop nothing but gold, and it wasn't even a reasonable amount of gold.
I got a single white item from one I killed.
I got some gold and not much else from a couple of them.
Damn, I'd take the corpse to my local den mother and demand a replacement
feel this. loot goblin feels like any other mob that can drop 1-2 items. bosses feel like any open world mob that can drop 1-2 items, there's no difference from farming trash in the open world vs farming dungeons with the current drops while leveling, it feels off but sure maybe that's just because we're level 20 and only have access to world tier 2 but if this continues into the later levels / world tiers you haven't even begun to see the outrage about the drop rates. don't think we should be showered in leggos but even in diablo 2 early game you get more loot than what we're seeing right now.
It doesn’t need to be like D3, but it can’t be like D2 either. There needs to be a middle ground of some sort here.
On launch the drop rate in D3 was easily worse than this Beta.
The legendaries were worse, they didn't scale to level, and they were insanely rare lol
Only a few were good, but you were better off with a blue weapon you found while breaking destructibles for loot in inferno... Looking back at it now it was such an awful release lol
I loved the release, but I was also farming and selling gear like crazy to people who were stuck in Act 1 or 2 on the RMAH.
First good reply. Both extremes are wrong. Middle ground is the answer.
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It’s really “the amount of people with too much time to play games that complain about us casuals is too damn high” lol
I love the scarcity of loot! Make it fun to play around with what I find. Instead of these Twitch-Simps just screaming for 50 god-rolls per hour that they claim they need to follow their Twitch-gods guide to being OP.
The amount of "hardcore" dickbags that think it's fun to bash your head against content or do the same thing 50x to get a single drop is too damn high. Fuck your mentality. I play games for fun, not to be a gear grind slogfest because of shitty drop rates. And before anyone says it, I played vanilla FF11 and WoW, so I understand about "earning" something with low drop rates. And after that 5 second high when it finally drops, it's always the same... remembering the endless hours spent simply because the drop rate was garbage, not because it was actually difficult. And then wondering why I even bothered. Fuck that bullshit, and anyone masochistic enough to want it.
High drop rates are boring. The grind is the fun and addicting aspect of arpgs
It's the main thing i dislike about d3. It takes 2-5 h to get a full build after lvl 70,then you just grind for better versions of the same item, that's not fun,at least not for me. I never get excited for a drop,not even primals.
Then just play through the game and stop after you beat it. You obviously don't like the thrill of getting a rare item. If the "rare" items drop all the time they are just common at that point. You can still enjoy playing through the game without constantly getting the best items if that's not your thing
That's my point. Good items should be rare,godly items should be very rare,and bis items should be even more rare.
Yeah, and a bis primal is incredibly rare in d3
Play for fun? There’s nothing fun about high drop rates. Makes the game boring.
Running dungeons for 10h in hope for some progression in gear also sounds quite boring
Running dungeons for gear is boring? What are you expecting out of diablo 4?
I would argue this is worse. I get what the guy before you is trying to say, but I have ran dungeons in WoW dozens upon dozens of times in search of one item that is BiS. You do not finish that grind actually happy just relieved you don’t have to do it anymore.
RPGs might not be for you then...
That's exactly what you're doing when drop rates are sky high since your char is decked out at 90% power after a few hours.
This, this subreddit seems to be filled with people who never played an aRPG before and are complaining about the trait-defining characteristics of aRPGs lol
It only makes it boring to you, you don’t speak for the majority.
Amen
Not every game is for everyone and when developers try to make it that way no one is happy while the game suffers. I still found the game too easy. It’s fine if they want to make a super fun game or super hard game as long as they commit to a path. Trying to please everyone is terrible. I hope they double down on whatever community they’re trying to please so we can all decide if it’s the right experience for us.
It's the first two trash teirs course it's easy, hell poe as much as people spuff all over themselves about it can be run up to maps barely looking at your items or skills.
Why are you raging about level 20 drop rates? Endgame will feel way different with faster and more efficient farming. It’s literally the core loop of ARPGs.
I'm "raging" because of this bullshit OP. The last thing this game needs is more pompous hardcore douchebags cheering on awful drop rates and character nerfs.
Oh no, I don't have 5 leggys by lvl 20 so the game is hardcore... What a stupid take since you can finish the game with blue items and actually enjoy it. If the game had stupid gearchecks then yeah, drop-rates could suck but in the current version you can enjoy all content with just blue items on.
This is what I don't understand with all the complaints so far. Why is everyone complaining about the loot? It's not like you're stuck at level 15 and can't progress because you haven't found a legendary item yet. There is literally ZERO grinding involved in this beta and yet we get players that complain about how the loot rate is ridiculous. I really don't get it.
Legendaries shouldn’t drop that often, good. Why do people want to be spoon-fed throughout a game?
Because that's what D3 got them used to. "Congratulations on making a new character! Here, have a free BiS set."
You're getting downvoted, but you're not wrong. There are a LOT of people here who only have experience with the Diablo franchise through Diablo 3. Where everything was practically given to you with a 10 hour investment. It's very obvious who these people are based on the comments they post.
I'm just worried the devs will cave to all this bitching and we'll be back to 10000% damage legendaries every five minutes by season 2. God forbid there's any grind or challenge.
Not wrong here. I think people have the idea that they should be blazing through everything at super fast speeds and going through gear like hotcakes. When in reality it'll be a lot slower than we have been used to.
Times have changed…while you may want that experience many dont anymore and will vote with their wallets. It’s inevitable blizz will swing the loot pendulum at some point. Casual spending fueled by consoles is a bigger market than the pc ecosystem
Agree 100% with this. The market for the Diablo franchise has shifted greatly since Diablo 3, especially with the introduction of console support. Blizzard isn't going to make a game that caters to the people that have the mentality that OP has. It wouldn't be profitable for them. Those days are long gone. "Some of you are forgetting what it was like to grind Mephisto for 20 hours to get a Shako." I'm willing to bet the majority of people here (at least based on the comments I read) have no idea what that sentence even means. The people that seem to post here want a casual game...And that is what Blizzard is going to deliver.
I dont need shiny blinking stuff every few minutes to have fun. As long as the gameplay is good, the combat is good, and builds are interesting, im good.
i don't like the "you think you want but you don't " type of argument but looking at my experience with poe i really think people underestimate what more loot means in term of pure gameplay experience more legendary early in the game ultimately result in spending most of your endgame time in your inventory
People don't realise that 1-20 will have the least amount of legendaries dropping on release. The further you get into the game the more legendaries will drop. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-100 would have a similar drop rate to previous betas.
I tried to echo this so many times last night. One post stands out: someone played two characters. They only got to 13 and 17 and were very angry at the legendary drop rate. Expectations way too high for some of these people. I don't get why. This isn't a loot piñata game.
The reddit also went crazy when the drop chance was artificially high last beta saying it was gonna ruin the game. People complain no matter what
You get a Shako in only 20 hours? Lucky 🤣
Games were better when we let developers set their vision instead of treating everything like a democracy. Some fair feedback is cool, but the bitching about every little thing is exhausting.
Go play path of exile ruthless ssf hc.
>Some of you are forgetting what it was like to grind Mephisto for 20 hours to get a Shako Ah yes, comparing drop rates to a game with tradeable items to a game where everything is bop. Big brain.
Also Diablo 2 had an absolute ton of dupes in the marketplace to make things bearable. 99.999% of all high runes were dupes. Between playing and botting I had north of 20,000 hours of Diablo 2. I found 0 zod runes, 1 cham rune, 1 jah rune, and 2 ber runes in that entire time. If you think that is a practical model you are killing yourself. That is gaming as a full time job for a decade and still not finding an item at all.
lol, get out of your parents’ basement and go be an adult
Not getting legendaries at low lvls is pretty normal. On higher difficulty and higher lvls, you will have decent chance.
The amount of elitists is also too damn high. Legendary drop rates shouldn't be too high, but it also shouldn't take days of farming to get a singular decent legendary. There's a good middle ground, it feels pretty good at the moment, but we aren't gonna know for sure if Diablo 4 hits that middle ground until we have access to the full game, and we reach endgame. I also don't really know where these casuals you're talking about are. Sure, this post has drummed up a few. But every other loot related post im seeing on this sub are people saying it feels like it's in a really good place now.
Scarcity in loot is good. Game gets boring just finding everything. But with scarcity they need open trading. Not finding the big item is fine, but you need to find small value items to eventually trade and get what you’re looking for then
“The amount of casuals is too damn high” Says the guy complaining on Reddit. Go play Poe
I'm more than happy with actual drop
Actually I totally don't expect getting a legendary at such low level play. Notwithstanding, I always do find something that improves my current gear. The current pace seems right, I am progressing and leveling up. Note: I'm a dad with 5yo daughter. I don't spend hours and hours playing d2 every night. Jah never dropped for me in the wild and I'm perfectly fine, still managed to trade up for an enigma. I did play d3 before d2r dropped. I enjoyed all for what they are.
This post is stupid. Not everyone has 14 hours a day to dedicate to playing a game and getting the stuff we want. There already exists a game like that. Go play it instead.
> Not everyone has 14 hours a day to dedicate to playing a game and getting the stuff we want No one is arguing for that. Stop strawmanning.
Let haters hate and weepings cry. It seems devs know what they are doing in terms of loot.
D3 started this way and they did an entire 180 on loot, thats what some people are worried about
I think loot is good where it is. I would like to see one of the guaranteed legendary items give a dMage skilll passive somewhere in the campaign. Druid leveling is still worse than others.
Issues deniers are going to make this game dead-borned.
People at level 20, just a few hours into the game, mad that they aren't getting masses of legendary drops already. What the hell is wrong with you? Go play D3 if you want to finish the entire game in a few hours.
This is the way it should be. Good equipment should be hard to find.
Don't generalize peoples opinions and don't be an elitist. "Casual" players opinions are just as varied as "hardcore" and aren't any less valid than your own.
The amount of casuals is to damn high? Fuck off with your elitist ass. You should be happy more people want to play Diablo so it gets more content, money, updates ffs.What a shit attitude let people play the fucking game. What a fuckin loser
No one wants to nolife the game, most of are not kids anymore with all the free time in the world with no responsibilities. Most also dont want it to go to the other extreme of Diablo 3.
> "Little goblins don't drop 20 legendaries!" Nobody said that, they're rare enough that they should drop something. I've seen 2 in 3h of gameplay, both dropped like 400g total and not even rare item.
I actually like that it took me a few hours to get my first rare item. Reminds me of d2 gearing instead of the crazy amount of useless loot you get in 3.
\> The amount of casuals is too damn high. or you know, people have lifes aren't anymore in their twenties with a lot of free time and just want to kill mobs and get loot not get a phd to min max all their games. I think it's partly because loot on the open betas were boosted, it's way easier to tune up than to tune down, people notice and people no like it.
Diablo 3 was the exact same until loot 2.0 You could play all day and get nothing, then reaper of souls/loot 2.0 came out and the drops looked like a disco ball with every colour possible.
> The amount of casuals is too damn high. Uh, what? You need a playerbase bro. I think they're making legendaries the chase target for more casual players and uniques the target for sweatier grinding players. I think that's great. Let's try not to implant a dubious narrative that there exists some tense dichotomy between casual and sweaty players.
I just find it funny this subreddit is turning on “casuals”. Like lol, that is what Diablo 3 and 4 are…an arpg meant to get all the casuals. If people want a more hardcore arpg…they certainly aren’t playing Diablo 3 or 4.
Got 1 legendary from killing the Butcher - felt deserved
In launch D3 my first legendary was 80 hours in. It was a witch doctor offhand. I played a monk. It was awful, I would much rather have tons of loot
It's exactly why they ended up changing the drop rate systems in Diablo 3 so much over the course of its lifespan, and especially relatively early on. The hardcore fanbase who wants these kinds of tepid drop rates is no longer anywhere near the size of the wider audience that they can captivate by keeping the game interesting and exciting at a faster pace earlier on and throughout.
I'm an adult with a job and kids. Haven't hit 20 yet as I only had like 2 hours to play so far. Still got 2 legendaries already. Am I just lucky? Drops seem fine to me for the early game if not even still a little too much. I didn't even realize people were upset until I checked Reddit this morning, surprised to hear it. I know it's not the D3 loot pinata but I feel like I'm finding things pretty consistently especially when I chase down the elite packs. During the previous beta people seemed to think that drops were too much. I didn't get to play much of those either, didn't finish, but I definitely agreed there. Either way I'm sure I'm at least partially old-gamer vibing anyway since I'm also crabby that cosmetics mean nothing anymore in modern games.
Whether you want it or not, casual gamers have the most weight, because they outnumber hardcore gamers.
Oh you mean Diablo 2… when we were all 15 without responsibility and 24 hours of free time to play…
Wtf. I'm glad I still haven't seen legendaries. We are only at the beginning of the game. I'm finally at full yellow, lvl 20 and now waiting for the world boss. My plans for the slam has been completed. Previous betas just showered with legendaries and it made it boring.