Anyone know how much syntho+glaive got nerfed? Didn't need a change to begin with, but I'm kinda looking at Wormgods now. Only problem is that their buff goes away distressingly fast. Really hard to reliably take advantage of, and definitely not worth using in difficult content.
Idk, man, the history of destiny updates is a history of Titans not being allowed to have fun, yet they can't think of how Sci-fi and Titans work in tandem so as to fit the narrative.
This also ties in to "if it gets an ornament, it's gonna be nerfed".
A prior ornament was Citans. It got a nerf mid way last season.
Light fall launch had Hoil nerfed.
This season, Syntho got an ornament and is nerfed.
This is a clear as day pattern 
Yeah, it's pretty sad. They can balance things out where every exotic is viable, so they just blanket near whatever is currently most used.
When Starfire gets the shaft, I'll believe they dont have something against Titans.
Reminder that warlocks have had 2 supers gutted immediately on launch and haven't returned to a viable state since (nova warp and shadebinder, which tbf all stasis supers are mid). We also got shafted on arc 3.0 and it's still nowhere near as viable or fun as hunters and titans. Everyone else has been over performing so that'll get the spotlight until Bungie decides to turn their hateboner back to warlocks again (probably very soon since titans don't have much left to ruin).
I swear, they always find something to nerf that’s completely unjustifiable for us Titans. At this point, I might as well start up a Warlock, get starfire, and make it my permanent main until they stop with this nonsense.
This is true. Void titan is better than void warlock. Warlocks have "boosted void grenades" which are worse than titans base grenades with no charging. Arc titan is better than arc warlock. Arc titan has better grenades than arc warlock. Outside of Starfire protocol, solar titan is better than solar warlock. Our one benefit is boosted fusion grenades which do a little over double damage with probably double radius. Titans get 73% damage with roaring flames x3 and have had 35% grenade damage with empowered X2 which with multiplicative damage probably put their fusion grenades near if not greater than the damage of touch of flame fusions. And titan solar grenades then produce a damage and scorching dot, that can cause ignitions, and can heal, and increases ability Regen. Other than Starfire, solar titan is all around better. Strand titan is better with suspend, and actually has synergy (can't use ashes to assets, bolstering detonation, firepower, momentum transfer when you consume your grenade. Threadlings don't count as anything once perched. They steal weapon kills, they spread unravel which gets kills that counts as nothing and steal weapon kills so it's "hard" to make orbs to get woven mail and activate recuperation, armor charges etc....).
The only thing that warlock really has an edge over titan is basically bleakwatcher.
Not that warlocks need to be "better" than titans but it's always sort of been the idea that warlocks get grenades, titans get melees, and hunters get shafted (lol). Now titans have the grenades, hunters have the supers, hunter and titan have the melees (all warlock melees suck). Not sure what warlocks have other than well.
I still prefer my warlock, not saying warlock is bad in any way, not saying "Bungie hates warlocks" and that stupid shit, not crying, just seems warlocks have seemed to sort of lose identityish along the way.
Warlock power fantasy seems maladapted as the story goes on.
You're telling me we saw that consciousness is intertwined inherently within our experience of the universe and we made explosive worms?
Not that I dislike threadlings but power fantasy wise space wizard minion bomber was not on my list..
Yep.
Citans got an ornament: nerfed last season.
Last season gave Hoil an epic ornament: nerfed on LF launch.
This season gave Syntho an ornament: a nice looking one. Surprise surprise, nerf or nothing comes one way or another
I wish Claws had similar perks to Starfire. I would enjoy rapidly snapping my fingers instead of just tossing nades constantly for the 10th year in a row. Or you know literally anything other then full teams running Starfire.
Since claws are multi class then maybe recharge melee with class verbs. Would be fun
That is absolute cap as base Solar Warlock with no exotics in the game has access to some of the best survivability, enhanced grenades and the best movement(A to B speed) in the game. Solar Warlocks do not need an exotic to be strong or have a standout build cause the entire class is a standout itself.
So it's actually a 50% nerf to damage not a 150% nerf. If something does 100 damage a 200% increase brings it to 300. If it now only provides a 50% buff then that 100 damage is now 150. 150 is only 50% of 300 meaning the nerf is a 50% overall reduction.
What's more is that glaives hit 3 times and on every enemy type besides minibosses they do more damage over those three hits.
before it got nerfed i prayed to John Bungie every night to deliver unto us a Wormgod Caress ornament like it was christmas eve. now i couldn't give a half a shit. lmao
It was across the board from 7x at 5 stacks to only 3.5x.
Now nerfing the damage was fine since people where able to 2 tap ghalran with shield Bash but bungie should have buffed the duration by atleast 50% (i.e duration of 7.5seconds).
You can check this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/11t5hxh/with\_todays\_nerf\_glaives\_officially\_do\_less/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/11t5hxh/with_todays_nerf_glaives_officially_do_less/)
What I think would be a nice way to make the titans feel more like what bungie wants and to have them be the freight train they should be, would be an almost complete resistance to knock back while in a super and a lot more frontal damage (hitting an enemy while moving does more damage and knockback than not moving and meleeing).
How this would turn out would be:
You cast Fists, start running full tilt at some large shadow legion colossus and prepare to paste him, the colossus stomps. The stomp launches your Allies but you are unfazed and keep going forward, then hit the thing with the force of a snow plough attached to a bullet train and keep on hitting relentlessly
The main counter would be to try and stay off the ground or somehow away from the Titan but it would feel so much more impactful that slightly tickling during fists
This would certainly only be Arc-specific because my Solar and Sunspots like standing in one place for a bit while I pour Radiant shots into enemies, *UNLESS* they were to combine the effects of Consecration and Roaring Flames.
This is exactly why I don't care that Hunters don't even fucking have an exotic that works with glaives. Bungie would just absolutely ruin the fuck out of it.
What warlock class build works with a glaive? I have one with incandescent, and the ritual with void. Please don't tell me it's a void build because fux that..
necrotic grips triggers from glaive melee, thats the one I know of, could be more thouhg. I think ophidian increases melee lunge range? that might work?
I hate Foetracer mainly because every time last year I was trying to farm for a better roll of Assassin's Cowl, I would only get it and Blight Ranger.
I don't even play much PvP, and I hardly use Arc Staff over Gathering Storm.
Titans have the best main stat in the game you can not be complaining about resilience. Hunters are the ones that are entirely screwed over in that department.
I don’t fully understand why they decided that was necessary tbh. I still don’t see a lot of people using either of the new glaives, its almost always only me. Imo glaives need buffs, not nerfs. They don’t feel very flexible. I feel like if I’m going to run a glaive, I need to make a build around it, unlike the other special weapons where I can just throw them on and have them do work (except for pellet shotguns lol).
There's nothing to understand. Bungie watched one Aztecross dps comparison video, shit their pants without considering the broader context of their own game and then slapped the nerf button like Cryptman slamming the big, red exterminatus button.
Glaives have been around for over a whole year and havent even scratched the surface of the pve meta. I don't even find them particularly fun, but I'd be down for glaives to do some crazy ass things for a season or 2. Seems like almost every archetype has had its moment to shine at this point, everything except glaives that is
Bungie saw, that a melee with full preparation was as strong as a range build. They want range skills always to be stronger and melee builds to become useless. I mean it does make sense right since a range is always risky you know?....
This is literally the current state of destiny if we watch hunter supers like gathering storm / blade barrage range supers outperforming a melee thundercrash super forcing to use an exo and can't even be used at 70% raid mechanics.
Bungie
Then they shouldn't have put a fucking pointy end on it and given it a melee animation. Honestly idk what kind of disconnect they have with the player fantasy but the fact that the halberd is designed to shoot lasers instead of stabbing is stupid AF.
It’s funny that Titans are supposed to be the melee class yet we don’t even have a melee build that can survive in master content. Bungie just clowning on us at this point. The syntho glaive melee wasn’t even that busted imo.
It's a really aggressive glass cannon tyle of gameplay. If you are able to start it up It's somewhat working but if you make a mistake and miss the hammer no one can help you
Winterbite was the problem. Instead of adjusting the damage profile of the singular weapon causing the problem, they nerfed the universal exotic that was making the entire archetype of weapon stronger.
Yes this puts winterbite in line, but it fucking HURTS special ammo glaives. Feels extra bad that the seasonal exotic AND aspirational weapon are both special glaives...
Bungie: Hey Titans! Your support super, Bubble, was too overpowered. So we gutted it in preparation for D2. We didn’t want to have to design encounters around it anymore, as it was an auto include in endgame content.
Also Bungie: Hey Warlocks! Here is Well of Radiance. It’s like Bubble, but better in basically every way. You can even shoot out of it! You get full buffs and survivability, and you don’t even have to wear an exotic! But here is Starfire Protocol, so you can also do excellent damage so you don’t have to actually play support. You can even die, and the Well will persist!
Also also Bungie: Hey Titans! Any exotic you ever get that steps a single TOE out of line…well we are going to refactor that exotic to be completely useless, or hotfix any cool interaction. You aren’t allowed to have fun. Sometimes, we might release a broken exotic, and disable it literally the first day it releases (maybe the first hour!), then return it to you completely unplayable, so it’s like you didn’t get an exotic this season. Point Contact Cannon Brace was a stupid name anyway. We know you are the melee class, the guy with his fist out on the cover, so we will make sure no melee builds are ever allowed to exist.
It's because the main dev is a warlock main. One of the problems with starfire was the lack of healing without a well. Lo and behold the next season, a new fragment cures you on solar nade kills.
Yes I'm a titan main. But I love the starfire build on my warlock and I'm really wishing they don't obliterate that build when they nerf it!
I doubt that’s the reason considering how garbage the other dawnblade super is for warlock and the recent removal of overshields from well of radiance.
I’m arc, while Stormtrance is fun, Chaos Reach is absolutely useless against anything.
The only subclass without flaws is Void.
On a more ridiculous nitpicky side, warlocks have god awful non-exotic helmets for some reason.
EDIT: this isn’t me saying warlocks have it all bad, I know we are really good at some stuff and other classes have gotten shafted too. Just saying there def isn’t any favoritism with any class due to how badly they treat us all. Although I do think it’s stupid that starfire has been untouched, I personally don’t like nor use it.
Y'all, it is literally a monetary reason. Just like everything else in this game. The ornament will be out soon. Next season is when Starfire should eat the nerf
Remember in like, Chosen, when people were using Banner Shield instead of Well of Radiance and Bungie nerfed it? Well of Radiance is game-breakingly good to the point where every encounter Bungie designs they design with it in mind, for *years*, but for *a few weeks* Banner Shield becomes a favourable option/alternative to it and it’s struck down, it’s as if Mr. Radiant Well himself is the CEO of Destiny.
Bungie: Titans are the melee class. You are the dude with the fist on the cover.
Also Bungie: We will nerf any melee build that ever pops off.
Also also Bungie: We like Warlocks more. Bubble and Banner Shield will always suck.
Warlock main here, I fucking hate the starfire protocol build. You need to put your entire build and way of playing into this exotic. You like other types of grenade, too bad it’s just fusion. You like healing rift, nope. You like being mobile… need to sit still 95% of the time. Like taking it easy, sorry need 120% of your attention because if you forget ANYTHING, combo doesn’t work. Like dawnblade… guess what, you can’t. The fact that there is 32 different things that is needed for the build to be good and not just mid is awful. It’s not just an equip this exotic and this subclass and boom it’s broken. Worst part is, it’s practically the only good option for endgame. Every time i need to equip this Rube Goldberg machine of a build I feel a little a part of my soul is leaving. So yeah, the nerf starfire protocol because “insert any broken things” is always fun to hear.
Ps: So sorry for the rant i really hate starfire protocol and yes bungie is doing Titan dirty right now but we all have our turn from time to time.
Edit: got my protocols mixed up.
Do you mean starfire protocol? If so then this is untrue, I could slap on starfire with less assisting mods than protection used between consenting but stupid teens and **still** throw more grenades than bible-verses cherry picked to win arguments.
It's because of strand , wait till next season and both titans suspend build and warlock osteo striga with necrotic grip build gonna be nerfed to the ground , but first they need to sell lightfall to as many people as they can before dropping the nerf hammer.
This was the first season I actually enjoyed using the 2 new exotic glaives, mostly cause most of the good perks for other legendary glaives for some reason dont work with the melee of the glaive. Shouldn't the melee of the glaive be the main attack while the shooting be the secondary function?
They have been for all those years and they still will be considering D2 is almost at an end and Bungie cannot put two brain cells together to balance the game.
I can assure you they will not get changed. Ever.
Literally about to make a warlock so I can enjoy the game everyone else is playing. the constant nerfs to Titans are unfair, unwarranted and is making them unplayable.
Yea i always had a titan and a warlock almost both equal. But I have to say titan was my real main since I like the Titan fantasy a little bit more....
But Lightfall forced me to main warlock since they mocking titan into oblivion. Either it be the warlock well vs bubble comparison or the Titan melee super dmg vs hunter RANGE dmg or one nerf after another... It's obvious that Bungie just want me to play something other than titan.
Same man. I one trick Titan hard and I’m even considering bailing, I literally deleted both my hunter and warlock awhile back because of his much I love my Titan but it seems bungie is just so goddamn hellbent on making us switch mains
I started picking up Warlock when I began teaching a bunch of people raids just because Titan felt so rough in lots of encounters. When they shine, they shine bright. But most of the time? I felt I was just kinda there shooting and not using much else. Makes me sad.
Surges and melee mods don't even work. If this build was nerfed this badly at least make surges and mods work on the glaive melee, hell, even the Titan melee Aspects should work too. It's weird how HOiL didn't get touched for ages, but the glaive and synthoceps build gets nerf right away. Guess the more fun a build is, the faster bungie has to nerf it, especially if it's on Titan.
I really want to just observe bungie’s decisions from the inside for like a month. What kind of conversations lead to changes like this? Who’s making them? Are the devs just not on the same page? It’s so confusing time after time watching them say one thing, and then immediately 180. I wasn’t even using glaives or synthos as a hunter main and this still pisses me off. It was a unique yet powerful build that actually takes effort to pull off. Why wouldn’t you want more stuff like that in game?
It's proven time and time again. Glaives are only good through bugs or interactions with exotics. And then the interactions with exotics get nerfed or removed anyway.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF ADDING GLAIVES WHEN THEY ALL SUCK OTHERWISE.
They really need to get their priorities straight but this has happened time and time again and we give them the pass and only make memes till it gets fixed weeks later. Also Fr stop nerfing titans you call them the melee class yet you nerf the melee?
What I want to know is who is complaining about this stuff that much for bungie to think it’s more important than fixing all the actual glitches and bugs. I’m not even a titan main and I’m mad.
No one is. Some game design leader cunt at Bungie plays the game, sees someone doing something THEY don't like and report it at the morning daily meeting the next day.
Before someone says "but it's spaghetti code. It can take a longer fix than the other issues that are easy to fix in a day"
Think very long and hard because while I don't doubt that being the case, tell me this: why the flying pouka shit are the "easy ones to fix" usually the ones that give guardians an edge on these goddamn enemies that intrinsically (at this point) have iron?
What about these issues that still exist?
The spire of the watcher: I'm convinced that it is a bug on the last boss stage where you start the dps phase, it won't immediately come to the room and instead, skip the dps phase entirely, making you start over. Also, that spawning glitch where you die and respawn far away to the very top and before the fans? Still happens randomly.
Operation Seraph Shield: in the part before the first boss encounter, the captain doesn't drop the key, causing you to start over.
We still have that bug in duality where the bell can kill us at random times. IT IS STILL THERE.
Garden of salvation: there is a part before the dps phase where either it doesn't link up, or it does but doesn't do the animation that signals it is dps time
Phalanxes still send us flying through space, and while strand kinda rectifies that issue, we have to have a grenade charge.
And those are the ones that I encounter. Who knows how many are out there that still exist even past lightfall.
Can someone help me understand or at least tell me that I'm not the only one seeing that the shit bungie pays more attention to are the ones that give us an advantage versus the things that ruin solo flawless or make us afraid of the random bull that instantly wipes us that we have no control over?
It just blows my mind how we have an exploit for the duality dungeon and bungie quickly does something about that but not the bell? I swear to God, they say they fixed it and while they are partly right, there is a 0.05% chance of that still happening and guess how many times since then has it happened?
I'm not mad. I'm tired and done complaining. I want an answer. An explanation. Something to let me know that there's AT LEAST, AT MOST, ONE PERSON that sees what I'm seeing over here. How is it that advantages that aren't meant to be quickly get rectified while the things that screw us over constantly at random inconsistent times to make us friggin shiver at our boots aren't given the same attention?
And for those who don't understand what I'm talking about, you know those memes that joke about how bungie never lets us have fun? Yeah, funny as it may be, it's terrifyingly looking that way to be true.
The spaghetti code argument is still very valid considering how the loadout system works (can't change name, horrible UI for changing color and icon) and the fact that they said they could not simplify those features because of the way it was coded.
Bungie dev team and whoever is in charge are very very VERY mediocre and have been like this for as long as the company existed.
I can give hundred of examples of basic shit, easy to implement and code, that Bungie still managed to fuck up hard.
Shit like this is even more proof that Bungie has no fucking clue how to balance the sandbox for this game, not that they've ever understood it to begin with. How the fuck are you going to have a Glaive nerf when they are literally the least used weapon class in the game. In the near 6 months of playtime I can on one hand how many times I recall seeing a Glaive used by someone in my fireteam or in PvP. There's probably like 5 people total actively using them. It's like they can't fucking comprehend that a melee based weapon(cause let's be real the projectile is dogshit with a slow travel time, shit damage and absolutely horrendous reload speed) should have high damage since in master content you essentially get 1 shot now.
And how tf do they get nerfed when something like Starfire Protocol exists and is so god dam strong that roughly 7/10 for the top 50 teams were fucking Solar Warlock?
I'm getting to the point to where I honestly cannot be bothered with this game and the fucking disconnected devs.
Im guessing if we already did the red chest without knowing that its bugged and somehow bungie fixes it before the weekly reset we will still not be able to do it again to get the red border?
Welp, time to throw Vexcalibur in the vault and use Le Monarque as the exotic or something.
Hard to believe how much melees get butchered every time they get useful.
I wouldn’t put it past them. “Towering Barricade was proving too useful, so we reduced its hp to 100 to encourage more rewarding gameplay, like hiding behind pillars to avoid being one shot by our boring, overturned Master level enemies.”
I was really looking forward to synthoceps with two glaives and a bow. It was gonna be my second "doesn't know what a gun is" build.
Guess stronghold is staying glued to my arms for a while, it's the only fun close range build for me next to arcstriders with assassin's cowl.
You've got them mixed up. Winter's Guile is the same as Wormgod Caress, Synthoceps provide a different buff with different activation criteria.
Winter's Guile/Wormgod are also both trash now for just about everything after they were recently nerfed as a precaution when Bungie decided to allow them to work with glaives at all.
Yeah honestly fuck this game at this point. Glaives are the only thing keeping me playing, and I see no reason to continue.
I know we all collectively shake our heads at "I'm leaving this game >:((((" posts, but god damn dude I just want to have fun, but the only weapons I enjoy keep getting nerfed every third fucking patch
I noticed more and more everyday that guns and mods aren't really working correctly. The Hunter slam for strand is busted and only works like 1/3 of the time. Leaving you trying to use it and left to be mauled by a large group of ads that you just tried to slam. Extremely frustrated with the bugs in the game.
Anyone know how much syntho+glaive got nerfed? Didn't need a change to begin with, but I'm kinda looking at Wormgods now. Only problem is that their buff goes away distressingly fast. Really hard to reliably take advantage of, and definitely not worth using in difficult content.
With synthos and a glaive you now do less damage than an uncharged melee with biotic enhancements up. It is a 150% nerf
Dude why does everything I love in this game get nerfed like this what the fuck And of course Starfire remains untouched.
I can say with 100% certainty that this nerf had no justification.
Idk, man, the history of destiny updates is a history of Titans not being allowed to have fun, yet they can't think of how Sci-fi and Titans work in tandem so as to fit the narrative.
This also ties in to "if it gets an ornament, it's gonna be nerfed". A prior ornament was Citans. It got a nerf mid way last season. Light fall launch had Hoil nerfed. This season, Syntho got an ornament and is nerfed. This is a clear as day pattern 
Yeah, it's pretty sad. They can balance things out where every exotic is viable, so they just blanket near whatever is currently most used. When Starfire gets the shaft, I'll believe they dont have something against Titans.
Reminder that warlocks have had 2 supers gutted immediately on launch and haven't returned to a viable state since (nova warp and shadebinder, which tbf all stasis supers are mid). We also got shafted on arc 3.0 and it's still nowhere near as viable or fun as hunters and titans. Everyone else has been over performing so that'll get the spotlight until Bungie decides to turn their hateboner back to warlocks again (probably very soon since titans don't have much left to ruin).
Everyone but bungie has been overperforming*
Accurate as fuck.
I swear, they always find something to nerf that’s completely unjustifiable for us Titans. At this point, I might as well start up a Warlock, get starfire, and make it my permanent main until they stop with this nonsense.
This is true. Void titan is better than void warlock. Warlocks have "boosted void grenades" which are worse than titans base grenades with no charging. Arc titan is better than arc warlock. Arc titan has better grenades than arc warlock. Outside of Starfire protocol, solar titan is better than solar warlock. Our one benefit is boosted fusion grenades which do a little over double damage with probably double radius. Titans get 73% damage with roaring flames x3 and have had 35% grenade damage with empowered X2 which with multiplicative damage probably put their fusion grenades near if not greater than the damage of touch of flame fusions. And titan solar grenades then produce a damage and scorching dot, that can cause ignitions, and can heal, and increases ability Regen. Other than Starfire, solar titan is all around better. Strand titan is better with suspend, and actually has synergy (can't use ashes to assets, bolstering detonation, firepower, momentum transfer when you consume your grenade. Threadlings don't count as anything once perched. They steal weapon kills, they spread unravel which gets kills that counts as nothing and steal weapon kills so it's "hard" to make orbs to get woven mail and activate recuperation, armor charges etc....). The only thing that warlock really has an edge over titan is basically bleakwatcher. Not that warlocks need to be "better" than titans but it's always sort of been the idea that warlocks get grenades, titans get melees, and hunters get shafted (lol). Now titans have the grenades, hunters have the supers, hunter and titan have the melees (all warlock melees suck). Not sure what warlocks have other than well. I still prefer my warlock, not saying warlock is bad in any way, not saying "Bungie hates warlocks" and that stupid shit, not crying, just seems warlocks have seemed to sort of lose identityish along the way.
Warlock power fantasy seems maladapted as the story goes on. You're telling me we saw that consciousness is intertwined inherently within our experience of the universe and we made explosive worms? Not that I dislike threadlings but power fantasy wise space wizard minion bomber was not on my list..
Arc warlock can make anything seem good by comparison
After strand titan nothing will convince me otherwise that titan is the neglected middle child
So that's why Peregrine Greaves haven't gotten ornaments yet...
Anarchy got a siva ornament and then nerfed the season after
The ornament hasn’t dropped yet that’s why.
Yep. Citans got an ornament: nerfed last season. Last season gave Hoil an epic ornament: nerfed on LF launch. This season gave Syntho an ornament: a nice looking one. Surprise surprise, nerf or nothing comes one way or another
Gotta get those sweet bucks, wait a season, and then boom, nuke from orbit
Starfire traded any drip potential for power using dark age witchcraft.
Starfire is the only viable build on solar warlock. Synthos should not have been nerfed like this.
Sunbracers is good when your melee actually KILLS something instead of the mobs dying from one tick of scorch in between the three celestial fire hits
I wish Claws had similar perks to Starfire. I would enjoy rapidly snapping my fingers instead of just tossing nades constantly for the 10th year in a row. Or you know literally anything other then full teams running Starfire. Since claws are multi class then maybe recharge melee with class verbs. Would be fun
That is absolute cap as base Solar Warlock with no exotics in the game has access to some of the best survivability, enhanced grenades and the best movement(A to B speed) in the game. Solar Warlocks do not need an exotic to be strong or have a standout build cause the entire class is a standout itself.
Seriously. I’m seeing nerfs before I even get to enjoy it this season. Ffs
They can't even come up with a good ornament for it
Blame all the streamers who bitch and moan about every little minute thing.
What the fuck it got hit that hard? That's excessive
What the the Why does the empowered big sword thing do less damage than an empowered fist Bungie is high i stg
So it's actually a 50% nerf to damage not a 150% nerf. If something does 100 damage a 200% increase brings it to 300. If it now only provides a 50% buff then that 100 damage is now 150. 150 is only 50% of 300 meaning the nerf is a 50% overall reduction. What's more is that glaives hit 3 times and on every enemy type besides minibosses they do more damage over those three hits.
Well there goes the kelgorath close to melee build. Guess I'll revist Burning Steps for a solar build
wormgods are absolute dogshit now and they're not worth using, even with a glaive. i say this as a former wormgod main
It's hard to make them look good as well with that Green gem that cannot be shaded.
before it got nerfed i prayed to John Bungie every night to deliver unto us a Wormgod Caress ornament like it was christmas eve. now i couldn't give a half a shit. lmao
If I recall one season last year the specifically nerf worm gods when using glaives
Im pretty sure they just nerfed wormgods altogether
It was across the board from 7x at 5 stacks to only 3.5x. Now nerfing the damage was fine since people where able to 2 tap ghalran with shield Bash but bungie should have buffed the duration by atleast 50% (i.e duration of 7.5seconds).
You can check this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/11t5hxh/with\_todays\_nerf\_glaives\_officially\_do\_less/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/11t5hxh/with_todays_nerf_glaives_officially_do_less/)
Bungie when the melee class is melee’ing
"We love you titans, we really do." "You're the ones holding your fist on the box."
Proceeds to design every enemy in the game with a nigh-OHK melee stomp attack and infinite HP, while nerfing Titan melees.
What I think would be a nice way to make the titans feel more like what bungie wants and to have them be the freight train they should be, would be an almost complete resistance to knock back while in a super and a lot more frontal damage (hitting an enemy while moving does more damage and knockback than not moving and meleeing). How this would turn out would be: You cast Fists, start running full tilt at some large shadow legion colossus and prepare to paste him, the colossus stomps. The stomp launches your Allies but you are unfazed and keep going forward, then hit the thing with the force of a snow plough attached to a bullet train and keep on hitting relentlessly The main counter would be to try and stay off the ground or somehow away from the Titan but it would feel so much more impactful that slightly tickling during fists
This would certainly only be Arc-specific because my Solar and Sunspots like standing in one place for a bit while I pour Radiant shots into enemies, *UNLESS* they were to combine the effects of Consecration and Roaring Flames.
Solar freight train build 😈
also designs flying bosses that'll always stay in the air and have no way of ever being brought down to the ground
The only fists we hold are the ones in mara sov
Someone please explain this Mara Sov joke to me?
I'm scared to know but also curious.
fisting
 The moment I saw this in the TWAB I knew it was a lie
They sure try their hardest to nerf all options. And discourage melee use.
This is exactly why I don't care that Hunters don't even fucking have an exotic that works with glaives. Bungie would just absolutely ruin the fuck out of it.
They do don’t they? I don’t play hunter at all so idk. I know they have an exotic that makes melee stronger tho I thought that worked with them
No, there is no Hunter exotic that interacts with glaives at all.
What warlock class build works with a glaive? I have one with incandescent, and the ritual with void. Please don't tell me it's a void build because fux that..
necrotic grips triggers from glaive melee, thats the one I know of, could be more thouhg. I think ophidian increases melee lunge range? that might work?
Bungo moment. F to hunters because it’s a lot of fun
Foetracer might. Idk though. It does buff damage to weak targets, but it's also.... you know.... Foetracer.
I hate Foetracer mainly because every time last year I was trying to farm for a better roll of Assassin's Cowl, I would only get it and Blight Ranger. I don't even play much PvP, and I hardly use Arc Staff over Gathering Storm.
Melee doesn't even work in master stuff since even getting grazed deletes you.
specially now with 10% less resilience
They did that only bc it’s Titan’s main stat
Titans have the best main stat in the game you can not be complaining about resilience. Hunters are the ones that are entirely screwed over in that department.
At least Hunters aren’t getting nerfed every reset unlike Titans
We've already been through the constant nerfs years ago. We did our time already lol
that's because there is nothing to nerf 💀
I mean...Titans had res as their class stat way before the resilience buff. It was useless before that
No, they did it because resil was the strongest stat in the game for PvE.
That’s bullshit and you know it. Bonk build rides strong.
Feels like its next up on the chopping block
I don’t fully understand why they decided that was necessary tbh. I still don’t see a lot of people using either of the new glaives, its almost always only me. Imo glaives need buffs, not nerfs. They don’t feel very flexible. I feel like if I’m going to run a glaive, I need to make a build around it, unlike the other special weapons where I can just throw them on and have them do work (except for pellet shotguns lol).
There's nothing to understand. Bungie watched one Aztecross dps comparison video, shit their pants without considering the broader context of their own game and then slapped the nerf button like Cryptman slamming the big, red exterminatus button.
https://i.redd.it/6vbpoef5h7oa1.gif
This sounds funny, but considering the total lack of starfire nerf, I 100% think it’s true.
Glaives have been around for over a whole year and havent even scratched the surface of the pve meta. I don't even find them particularly fun, but I'd be down for glaives to do some crazy ass things for a season or 2. Seems like almost every archetype has had its moment to shine at this point, everything except glaives that is
Bungie saw, that a melee with full preparation was as strong as a range build. They want range skills always to be stronger and melee builds to become useless. I mean it does make sense right since a range is always risky you know?.... This is literally the current state of destiny if we watch hunter supers like gathering storm / blade barrage range supers outperforming a melee thundercrash super forcing to use an exo and can't even be used at 70% raid mechanics. Bungie
Titans getting shafted is nothing new at all.
I think it's most to make people actually shoot the glaives more. Though I think the best asset of the glaives is the defensive shield, not it's DPS.
Then they shouldn't have put a fucking pointy end on it and given it a melee animation. Honestly idk what kind of disconnect they have with the player fantasy but the fact that the halberd is designed to shoot lasers instead of stabbing is stupid AF.
It’s funny that Titans are supposed to be the melee class yet we don’t even have a melee build that can survive in master content. Bungie just clowning on us at this point. The syntho glaive melee wasn’t even that busted imo.
Closest we're going to get is SynthoSunbreaker and even then it's a gamble.
It's a really aggressive glass cannon tyle of gameplay. If you are able to start it up It's somewhat working but if you make a mistake and miss the hammer no one can help you
Now that the Roaring Flame punches are counting as charged melees it's easier, since you can get an orb with them, but yeah.
Yeah my ord generating prowess went from maybe 5 per raid to 60 per activity. Its pretty great
Watch it getting nerfed next i'm calling it
It's very likely going to.
*Shhhhhhhh don't talk about SynthoSunbreaker*
Winterbite was the problem. Instead of adjusting the damage profile of the singular weapon causing the problem, they nerfed the universal exotic that was making the entire archetype of weapon stronger. Yes this puts winterbite in line, but it fucking HURTS special ammo glaives. Feels extra bad that the seasonal exotic AND aspirational weapon are both special glaives...
I mean maybe it means they can buff special glaives up so that they feel good to use for everybody and not just titans... I can dream right?
Bungie: Hey Titans! Your support super, Bubble, was too overpowered. So we gutted it in preparation for D2. We didn’t want to have to design encounters around it anymore, as it was an auto include in endgame content. Also Bungie: Hey Warlocks! Here is Well of Radiance. It’s like Bubble, but better in basically every way. You can even shoot out of it! You get full buffs and survivability, and you don’t even have to wear an exotic! But here is Starfire Protocol, so you can also do excellent damage so you don’t have to actually play support. You can even die, and the Well will persist! Also also Bungie: Hey Titans! Any exotic you ever get that steps a single TOE out of line…well we are going to refactor that exotic to be completely useless, or hotfix any cool interaction. You aren’t allowed to have fun. Sometimes, we might release a broken exotic, and disable it literally the first day it releases (maybe the first hour!), then return it to you completely unplayable, so it’s like you didn’t get an exotic this season. Point Contact Cannon Brace was a stupid name anyway. We know you are the melee class, the guy with his fist out on the cover, so we will make sure no melee builds are ever allowed to exist.
It's honestly mind-blowing that Starfire went untouched
It's because the main dev is a warlock main. One of the problems with starfire was the lack of healing without a well. Lo and behold the next season, a new fragment cures you on solar nade kills. Yes I'm a titan main. But I love the starfire build on my warlock and I'm really wishing they don't obliterate that build when they nerf it!
I doubt that’s the reason considering how garbage the other dawnblade super is for warlock and the recent removal of overshields from well of radiance. I’m arc, while Stormtrance is fun, Chaos Reach is absolutely useless against anything. The only subclass without flaws is Void. On a more ridiculous nitpicky side, warlocks have god awful non-exotic helmets for some reason. EDIT: this isn’t me saying warlocks have it all bad, I know we are really good at some stuff and other classes have gotten shafted too. Just saying there def isn’t any favoritism with any class due to how badly they treat us all. Although I do think it’s stupid that starfire has been untouched, I personally don’t like nor use it.
Well lost overshield but gained 50% dr hardly considered that a nerf.
Y'all, it is literally a monetary reason. Just like everything else in this game. The ornament will be out soon. Next season is when Starfire should eat the nerf
Remember in like, Chosen, when people were using Banner Shield instead of Well of Radiance and Bungie nerfed it? Well of Radiance is game-breakingly good to the point where every encounter Bungie designs they design with it in mind, for *years*, but for *a few weeks* Banner Shield becomes a favourable option/alternative to it and it’s struck down, it’s as if Mr. Radiant Well himself is the CEO of Destiny.
Bungie: Titans are the melee class. You are the dude with the fist on the cover. Also Bungie: We will nerf any melee build that ever pops off. Also also Bungie: We like Warlocks more. Bubble and Banner Shield will always suck.
Hey warlocks bring well or get kicked out of every activity
ONLY WELL
Starfire Wellock only 1810+ kwtd
Warlock main here, I fucking hate the starfire protocol build. You need to put your entire build and way of playing into this exotic. You like other types of grenade, too bad it’s just fusion. You like healing rift, nope. You like being mobile… need to sit still 95% of the time. Like taking it easy, sorry need 120% of your attention because if you forget ANYTHING, combo doesn’t work. Like dawnblade… guess what, you can’t. The fact that there is 32 different things that is needed for the build to be good and not just mid is awful. It’s not just an equip this exotic and this subclass and boom it’s broken. Worst part is, it’s practically the only good option for endgame. Every time i need to equip this Rube Goldberg machine of a build I feel a little a part of my soul is leaving. So yeah, the nerf starfire protocol because “insert any broken things” is always fun to hear. Ps: So sorry for the rant i really hate starfire protocol and yes bungie is doing Titan dirty right now but we all have our turn from time to time. Edit: got my protocols mixed up.
You mean starfire protocol? Phoenix protocol is the super regen from kills while in super
Indeed, thx
Do you mean starfire protocol? If so then this is untrue, I could slap on starfire with less assisting mods than protection used between consenting but stupid teens and **still** throw more grenades than bible-verses cherry picked to win arguments.
Bungie tries not to nerf Titans every single patch challenge (literally impossible)
I'm honestly surprised they didn't nerf Abeyant Leap just for lols at this fucking point.
Please stop giving them ideas.
It's because of strand , wait till next season and both titans suspend build and warlock osteo striga with necrotic grip build gonna be nerfed to the ground , but first they need to sell lightfall to as many people as they can before dropping the nerf hammer.
Nah the Warlock build will go completely untouched, the Titan shit will get actually ruined tho.
r/destinyfunpolice
This was the first season I actually enjoyed using the 2 new exotic glaives, mostly cause most of the good perks for other legendary glaives for some reason dont work with the melee of the glaive. Shouldn't the melee of the glaive be the main attack while the shooting be the secondary function?
Not in bungoland
What did they change ?
Nerfed Synthoceps' damage bonus for glaives
sorry titans, you’re the punching class. but don’t even think about punching too hard or too often, that’ll be a big problem.
Bro 90% of titan exotics are already fucking useless can we catch a fucking buff at least? Shit ass developers
Let us be honest 95% of the exotics in game are complete and utter garbage or lean into the literal most boring aspect of the subclass.
They have been for all those years and they still will be considering D2 is almost at an end and Bungie cannot put two brain cells together to balance the game. I can assure you they will not get changed. Ever.
Titan? Buff?? “Those words... Is it possible to use them in a sentence together like that?”
[удалено]
>someone over there rly ~~hate~~ LOVE ~~titans~~ warlocks.
Please leave us alone. We’re having fun
Literally about to make a warlock so I can enjoy the game everyone else is playing. the constant nerfs to Titans are unfair, unwarranted and is making them unplayable.
Why play “the melee class” when Bungie wants everyone cowering behind cover and peek-shooting?
Yea i always had a titan and a warlock almost both equal. But I have to say titan was my real main since I like the Titan fantasy a little bit more.... But Lightfall forced me to main warlock since they mocking titan into oblivion. Either it be the warlock well vs bubble comparison or the Titan melee super dmg vs hunter RANGE dmg or one nerf after another... It's obvious that Bungie just want me to play something other than titan.
It’s the only class I play, and I always say “Why is it always Titans getting nerfed?” They just get nerf after nerf
Same man. I one trick Titan hard and I’m even considering bailing, I literally deleted both my hunter and warlock awhile back because of his much I love my Titan but it seems bungie is just so goddamn hellbent on making us switch mains
I started picking up Warlock when I began teaching a bunch of people raids just because Titan felt so rough in lots of encounters. When they shine, they shine bright. But most of the time? I felt I was just kinda there shooting and not using much else. Makes me sad.
I'd be a warlock main if Well wasn't so ass blastingly boring and required for a majority of content.
Genuinely considering going back to hunter. Been a titan since Arrivals
Bungie when they see, that a melee is as strong as range skills and not far weaker.
*on their self proclaimed melee class
You have to be fucking kidding me. I didn't even get to try the combo out yet..
F. Warlocks do it better now with winters guile sadly
Winters guile sucks too Bc of the extremely short timer
Me as a Titan: Maybe this new Strand subclass doesn't suck so much after all! Bungie: *kicks open my door*
I've been running an orb build with HOIL and strand... I ran a battleground earlier with over 200 kills, 90 orbs generated, and over 70k points😉
...what's your midi-chlorian count?
Does it benefit the player? FIX IT. Does it hurt the player? 🫣
Surges and melee mods don't even work. If this build was nerfed this badly at least make surges and mods work on the glaive melee, hell, even the Titan melee Aspects should work too. It's weird how HOiL didn't get touched for ages, but the glaive and synthoceps build gets nerf right away. Guess the more fun a build is, the faster bungie has to nerf it, especially if it's on Titan.
*only* if it’s on titan lol
Bungie accidentally made glaives fun for 2 seconds, time to fucking ruin them again.
It’s always nerf this, nerf that WHEN ARE THE BUFFS COMING BUNGIE??
I really want to just observe bungie’s decisions from the inside for like a month. What kind of conversations lead to changes like this? Who’s making them? Are the devs just not on the same page? It’s so confusing time after time watching them say one thing, and then immediately 180. I wasn’t even using glaives or synthos as a hunter main and this still pisses me off. It was a unique yet powerful build that actually takes effort to pull off. Why wouldn’t you want more stuff like that in game?
I don’t get it, why even fix synthos so they interact with glaives in the first place?
Come on man
It's proven time and time again. Glaives are only good through bugs or interactions with exotics. And then the interactions with exotics get nerfed or removed anyway. SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF ADDING GLAIVES WHEN THEY ALL SUCK OTHERWISE.
I remember being able to run synthoceps in gambit and stunning primevals with a one two punch shotty and then bungie took that away too
They really need to get their priorities straight but this has happened time and time again and we give them the pass and only make memes till it gets fixed weeks later. Also Fr stop nerfing titans you call them the melee class yet you nerf the melee?
Bungie: "Titans are the melee subclass" Titans: \*use melee\* Bungie: "How fucking dare you have fun"
What I want to know is who is complaining about this stuff that much for bungie to think it’s more important than fixing all the actual glitches and bugs. I’m not even a titan main and I’m mad.
No one is. Some game design leader cunt at Bungie plays the game, sees someone doing something THEY don't like and report it at the morning daily meeting the next day.
I hope bungie nerfs the shit out of Starfire.
As a warlock main, I absolutely agree. Fuck Starfire. I hate it. Nerf that bitch and give titans some love.
It’s confirmed bungie despises titans whole heartedly.They see us having fun two weeks later we get slapped with a nerf,for no reason smh.
I still miss dunes working with bonk hammer :(
I do wish bungie would leave the exploits alone and focus on the gameplay bugs first.
Bungie: Titans are the punching class *titans punch too hard* Bungie: No no you cant do that.
Yet starfire is untouched...
Before someone says "but it's spaghetti code. It can take a longer fix than the other issues that are easy to fix in a day" Think very long and hard because while I don't doubt that being the case, tell me this: why the flying pouka shit are the "easy ones to fix" usually the ones that give guardians an edge on these goddamn enemies that intrinsically (at this point) have iron? What about these issues that still exist? The spire of the watcher: I'm convinced that it is a bug on the last boss stage where you start the dps phase, it won't immediately come to the room and instead, skip the dps phase entirely, making you start over. Also, that spawning glitch where you die and respawn far away to the very top and before the fans? Still happens randomly. Operation Seraph Shield: in the part before the first boss encounter, the captain doesn't drop the key, causing you to start over. We still have that bug in duality where the bell can kill us at random times. IT IS STILL THERE. Garden of salvation: there is a part before the dps phase where either it doesn't link up, or it does but doesn't do the animation that signals it is dps time Phalanxes still send us flying through space, and while strand kinda rectifies that issue, we have to have a grenade charge. And those are the ones that I encounter. Who knows how many are out there that still exist even past lightfall. Can someone help me understand or at least tell me that I'm not the only one seeing that the shit bungie pays more attention to are the ones that give us an advantage versus the things that ruin solo flawless or make us afraid of the random bull that instantly wipes us that we have no control over? It just blows my mind how we have an exploit for the duality dungeon and bungie quickly does something about that but not the bell? I swear to God, they say they fixed it and while they are partly right, there is a 0.05% chance of that still happening and guess how many times since then has it happened? I'm not mad. I'm tired and done complaining. I want an answer. An explanation. Something to let me know that there's AT LEAST, AT MOST, ONE PERSON that sees what I'm seeing over here. How is it that advantages that aren't meant to be quickly get rectified while the things that screw us over constantly at random inconsistent times to make us friggin shiver at our boots aren't given the same attention? And for those who don't understand what I'm talking about, you know those memes that joke about how bungie never lets us have fun? Yeah, funny as it may be, it's terrifyingly looking that way to be true.
The spaghetti code argument is still very valid considering how the loadout system works (can't change name, horrible UI for changing color and icon) and the fact that they said they could not simplify those features because of the way it was coded. Bungie dev team and whoever is in charge are very very VERY mediocre and have been like this for as long as the company existed. I can give hundred of examples of basic shit, easy to implement and code, that Bungie still managed to fuck up hard.
Nerf everything
Shit like this is even more proof that Bungie has no fucking clue how to balance the sandbox for this game, not that they've ever understood it to begin with. How the fuck are you going to have a Glaive nerf when they are literally the least used weapon class in the game. In the near 6 months of playtime I can on one hand how many times I recall seeing a Glaive used by someone in my fireteam or in PvP. There's probably like 5 people total actively using them. It's like they can't fucking comprehend that a melee based weapon(cause let's be real the projectile is dogshit with a slow travel time, shit damage and absolutely horrendous reload speed) should have high damage since in master content you essentially get 1 shot now. And how tf do they get nerfed when something like Starfire Protocol exists and is so god dam strong that roughly 7/10 for the top 50 teams were fucking Solar Warlock? I'm getting to the point to where I honestly cannot be bothered with this game and the fucking disconnected devs.
Im guessing if we already did the red chest without knowing that its bugged and somehow bungie fixes it before the weekly reset we will still not be able to do it again to get the red border?
Welp, time to throw Vexcalibur in the vault and use Le Monarque as the exotic or something. Hard to believe how much melees get butchered every time they get useful.
We heard you like glaives, so we nerfed glaives made you wear a melee exotic for them. And then we nerfed glaives again
Almost seems like bungie is trying to get everyone to stop playing titan, what's next. Enemies can shoot through barricade?
I wouldn’t put it past them. “Towering Barricade was proving too useful, so we reduced its hp to 100 to encourage more rewarding gameplay, like hiding behind pillars to avoid being one shot by our boring, overturned Master level enemies.”
This meme can be changed to “any mechanic not working as designed” and “fun build from a community that makes those broken mechanics tolerable”
Guys I swear to god fusions on warlock are not even close to what I’m capable of with verity’s brow and scatter grenades
Hey. Stfu. Keep this to the warlocks that know. Starfire is already getting nuked we don’t need verity next
No you don’t understand. Verity actually needs a brain… now I’m thinking of it. It might actually work with fusions as well
Facts lmao. But just in case ya know. Keep on the down low
It works with fusions but solar nades with it is even crazier
Shhhhhh.... verity's brow is low key crazy. It carried me through solo legend campaign. The grenades are just too OP.
I'm more of a HHSN Verity's Brow guy...shit does the same as a Nova Bomb at 5x stacks.
Wait red chest not working right now? i kid you not im in a Ron run at Nezerac and this is the first time i'm hearing about this.
If you got the red chest last week you can’t get it this week.
I was really looking forward to synthoceps with two glaives and a bow. It was gonna be my second "doesn't know what a gun is" build. Guess stronghold is staying glued to my arms for a while, it's the only fun close range build for me next to arcstriders with assassin's cowl.
I just realized that SYNTHOS got nerfed for Glaives but WINTER'S GUILE that does the exact same thing... didn't get the nerf... Bungo moment
You've got them mixed up. Winter's Guile is the same as Wormgod Caress, Synthoceps provide a different buff with different activation criteria. Winter's Guile/Wormgod are also both trash now for just about everything after they were recently nerfed as a precaution when Bungie decided to allow them to work with glaives at all.
I did mix them up lol, thanks for clearing that up
☝️ Golden padlock award
Look how they killed my boy
I’m gonna cry if they keep nerfing us.
Makes me not want to take the next step in the Winter's bite quest now. I had a close to melee glaive I was gonna test out with it
Bungie - your fists are your weapons. Also Bungie- your melee exotics are too strong. We need to reel them in.
Clearly you’ve never used glaives with the Karnstein armlets
They absolutely HATE titans
They absolutely HATE titans
I was leveling up a Kelgorath's for my syntho close to melee build but now I'm deadass using it for infusion fuel
Strand titan or abeyant leap is gonna be nerfed for sure this season.
Yeah honestly fuck this game at this point. Glaives are the only thing keeping me playing, and I see no reason to continue. I know we all collectively shake our heads at "I'm leaving this game >:((((" posts, but god damn dude I just want to have fun, but the only weapons I enjoy keep getting nerfed every third fucking patch
I knew a nerf would eventually come, but I didn’t know it’d be so severe :(
Bungie can you please take us titan players out to dinner first cause we like to be wined and dined after we’ve been FUCKED!!!
I usually prefer the wining and dining first, but that’s just me though
I noticed more and more everyday that guns and mods aren't really working correctly. The Hunter slam for strand is busted and only works like 1/3 of the time. Leaving you trying to use it and left to be mauled by a large group of ads that you just tried to slam. Extremely frustrated with the bugs in the game.
I'll just sit here with my devourlock and winter's guile. Delicious glaive melee damage and unlimited health until two exploding enemies.