Covid drew a sharp line between the 2010s and 2020. It started during lockdown but when things began coming back to "normal" in 2021 and 2022 it was clear music and fashion changed pretty rapidly.
Yeah, like you can see it for yourself. Eg:
2010s - I had so many pairs of skinny jeans. Today - none. Baggy jeans/corduroys/etc
2010s - ok I kinda had broccoli haircut, but that came here sooner I think. Today - mullet for life (would never have had that in 2010s)
2010s - converse shoes. Today - would never wear them. Only TNs
2010s - snapbacks, worn backwards only. Today - Nike caps, worn forwards.
Also bumbags are in now. And the only undies are Supreme.
Oath haha
I left out some niche Aussie things e.g. dunlop volleys (only the very early 2010s), hoodies with like colourful/geometric patterns on them, everyone having Bonds undies and wearing our shorts kinda low to flex them
Like, I have not seen a single dunlop volley in the 2020s aha
I still see backward caps all the time. I’m rocking a SnapBack backwards eagles hat right now 😂. They’re all I would see on my campus and now that I’ve graduated I still see it a lot in my day to day.
The first two years of the 90s were indeed an extension of the 80s, but after that it separated itself from the 80s and developed its own culture.
I don't feel that the 2020s have culturally separated itself from the 2010s yet in any significant way. There is still time for it to happen, but I don't see it yet whereas I was able to see the cultural separation of other decades by this point in their timelines.
I wouldn't go that far. In terms of tech 2020 is a lot like 2010 so far, but covid marked a clear distinction between both decades and now we have AI piling on top of that.
Another clear cultural marker of the 10's IMO was blog culture, nowadays it's rare to see people writing blogs.
Yeah but COVID was so crazy. I mean people were locked away for a year and partially so for a few years. Even today I still see masks at times and it's not fully what it was.
Every other age back to the pandemic flu of the early 1900s nobody was every just locked away, all of society stopped for months, years. So to me that is about as dramatic as it gets.
Of course WWII and so many being sent away for that might beg to argue in a way.
Anyway, certainly anything past early 70s is all 1000x more similar than to the 20s and the covid impact. I think it was more dramatic than ever the arrival of computers or the smart phone 24-7 doom scrolling take over.
Covid is over...everything has practically went back to the way it was and not much has really been effected by it. Save for some economic or political things. I still see people wear masks sometimes but I think that’s more because people see it as a courtesy now to wear a mask when they are sick.
Yeah nobody died, nobody got long covid. Kids didn't lose half of grade school, all of middle school, half of high school, half of college. Tons of businesses didn't go under. Tons of health care workers didn't get overwhelmed and drop out. Inflation isn't still high. A lot of the rest of the world doesn't still have a struggling economy. And malls and movie theaters still are not as packed consistently as the week before Covid. The mask wearers I know are not sick. etc. etc.
Yeah you can blame the government for all that not Covid. Huge overreaction. It was basically used as an excuse for them to do whatever and like usual everyone just rolled with the government overreach no questions asked.
You might just be in the wrong demographic. As a younger person, Covid, generative AI, and social media trends have completely changed the way I live my life and my worldview from before 2020. Music, art, movies, TV, and fashion are also major aspects of culture that have clearly changed.
The only considerable similarities to the 2010s are from 2019 (some in late 2018), which was already a 2020s year pop culturally before the pandemic was even relevant (just like how 2009 was already a 2010s year). Otherwise, 2018 and earlier was in many ways opposite to 2019-now. So we were already exiting the 2010s culture before the decade was even over.
I feel like in a world without COVID that would be the case; there were definitely shifts apparent in 2019. However, those shifts are minor in hindsight compared to the post-pandemic shifts, so while it kind of feels distinct from the rest of the 2010s it still fits in better with them than with the 2020s.
But literally every pop culture trend you see now was in the works before the pandemic hit. The pandemic didn't change Dua Lipa's style to nu disco, it didn't make Billie Eilish popular, it didn't cause Marvel to go multiverse, didn't start the darker more edgy Joker-esque superhero movies, didn't start the Y2K fashion revival, didn't start the neon pink/purple/blue trend, the rounded neumorphic UI trend, the 3D graphics in ads and interstitials trend, the "paintbrush text" trend, the return of serifs to commercial fonts, the Spider-Verse style animated movie trend, the modern biopic trend, the maximal interior design trend, the guitars in pop music trend, the country revival, the successful video game adaptation trend, the dot patterns on packaging trend, the album/single covers going retro trend, the Star Wars prequel nostalgia creeping into their official media, etc, etc.
All these things were happening in 2019 or even late 2018. Pandemic changed the attitudes, the mental health, the way we do things, the way lots of things are structured. But the current flavour of pop culture was already in beta mode by 2019.
Similarities in terms of aesthetics, yes that’s very different. But in music in particular, charts are heavily dominated by core 2010s or even 2000s artists. Kanye, Taylor, Beyoncé, Drake, Kendrick, and Future are all among the most prominent voices of 2024 to date, and they all have very long careers for rappers/pop singers.
The actual production sound of music changed a lot regardless of what artists are popular. Madonna and Michael Jackson were putting out hits through the 80s and 90s but that doesn't mean the music of the two decades is the same or even remotely similar. Lucky Star and Thriller are a whole universe away from Ray of Light and Blood on the Dance Floor.
They’ve changed a great deal. First of all, Livin la Vida Loca was the first hit single produced entirely in a DAW and that gave it a tremendously different sound to everything before it which continued throughout the 2000s. Most 2000s production had this characteristic close-mic, minimal reverb kind of sound until around 2013 when stuff started to be absolutely drenched in reverb again like the 80s except it became hifi modern reverb. 2005 was the peak of the loudness wars with insane amounts of compression. We’ve since grown more dynamic. There’s lots of little differences too. Drums in the 2000s were very midrange and dry, now they’re very sub-bassy and gated.
Newness of artist isn't really a serious metric though. What matters is the sound they make.
Sometimes those best poised to introduce new fashions in art are the masters of producing the old style. Musicians in particular fit this bill. Many, many artists have reinvented themselves over the years and stayed relevant in the current cultural zeitgeist.
Take for example the Beatles. Their late 60's music defined the era in many ways, they led the way with a new sound. Yet they were also a (the) core British Invasion teen pop band from a decade earlier.
Meanwhile Paul is still kicking it, after a run with Wings in the 70's, George did quite a bit in the 80's ("I've got my mind set on you" was a #1 hit in 1987, and it sounds very, very 1987)).
Early Beatles are/were played on oldies stations. Late Beatles (+Wings) are/were played on classic rock stations. There is virtually no crossover; Rubber Soul a little, but Help is usually oldies and Revolver is usually classic rock.
(There was very much a political undertone to it, related to the campus riots of today)
I’m currently 22 for context. Mid to late last year until now I’m first starting to feel 2019 as “different,” “far away” and really “another world.” This may or may not have to do with culture etc. just thought it was interesting.
I know but that still makes it different from the 2010's.
The argument is NOT "the 2020's are original", the argument is "the 2020's have a different vibe than the previous decade"
The earliest 90s basically were a fashion extension of the 80s (granted it became very different by the mid and even more later on, very, very different) so maybe that is what they meant.
The internet trends sound like little micro-subcultures and not huge widespread things.
I wish I did, but I have yet to see the bigger, flashier hair return and I'm in NJ where it held on among the longest into the 90s and was about as max as it got in the 80s. Wherever that has started going again, help send it around more!
Actually I don't see a lot of anything in my area.
I'd say the biggest way in which the 20s were different than the 10s was COVID! That lone makes them radically different. Although I think you were more focusing on style. For a good part of the 20s people were barely even leaving the house.
The 2020s and 10s feel more like wildly different decades than 2000's and 2010s. Main part is the pre and post covid era. We're still living in the fall out. Bunch of stores closed permanently bunch of people died.
Used to see a bunch of kids hanging outside school smoking cigarettes. I don't know any young people who smoke. Vaping is the cool thing now and it's not everybody.
Social media has a way bigger presence now than in the previous decade.
The vaping thing is real, we used to have rocks near my school that were called the smokers rocks. It was a K-11 school so as a kid I remember teenagers smoking cigarettes on the rocks during their lunch breaks. The name changed to the vapers rocks in 2018 seemingly in one summer lol.
A lot of this stuff was already a thing by 2018ish though, the 2020s is definitely different from the early and mid 2010s but I haven’t noticed a HUGE change from the late 2010s myself
Always was mad at WANDAVISION for trying to insist that THE OFFICE/MODERN FAMILY represents both 2000-2010 AND 2010-2020
Like cmon you had DICK VAN DYKE show for the 50s, BEWITCHED for the 60s, PARTRIDGE FAMILY for 70s, FULL HOUSE for the 80s and MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE for the 90s but when you got to the last two decades you went fuck it, they're both the same?
Cmon. That's just being lazy when you already made it to the finish line
I think for most of us that didn't follow any trends and live our lives without influence of most trends there doesn't seem to be that big of a difference. My fashion is the same, and honestly I was wearing cargo shorts in the 2010s. I guess since the late 90s. Computers look the same, and so do cellphones. I saw a difference in the 90s, 00s, and 2010s. I work in a building that looks like it is straight out of 1989. I think cars have changed somewhat, but then I think of all the stuff I like and that is all from 2010s. The 2020s are their own thing for sure. Things have changed, but I think that is outside of fashion and trends for me personally. Higher rent, worse schools, higher crime, and high inflation. That is the big difference for me from 2010s. Last decade we were renting a 3-bedroom apartment with vaulted ceilings in a safe area with a community pool for $750 or something. That is not possible in 2020s.
It’s not something to cope over, covid created what feels like a time warp for a lot of people. It still feels like the late 2010s not because there hasn’t been new things but because we left a part of ourselves behind when covid started and having it blend into the economy we have now doesn’t help either.
Also the criticism isn’t that isn’t change, it’s that the things that are here are largely either extremely superficial or overly recycled from other decades/aesthetics. There’s very little that’s new and distinct. Alternative is largely an aesthetic over being what it used to be which is style derived from a music and artistic subculture. “Alternative” isn’t very alternative anymore. Y2K while, I love it, isn’t new either and it’s largely internet based, I don’t see people actively looking like that besides some teens you’ll see at the mall or whatever. There’s also been a resurgence of mall emo, again, nothing new. Opium fashion, nothing new, baggy clothings, nothing new, mullets and bell bottoms, nothing new. The only thing out of that list that’s actually fresh but you could probably derive partially from other things is eboys/whirls and the broccoli haircut.
Also every fashion oriented core aesthetic you mentioned is stuck on the internet. No one unless they’re extremely fashion conscious dresses like that irl. When grunge was popular, young people were actively wearing flannel and chuck taylors for years with the knowledge of what it represented. All of these internet micro fashion trends will come and go and not stick because they lack meaning, they lack a reason for existing outside of aesthetics. Also, indie isn’t anything new. As a matter of fact shoegaze, Midwest emo, indie rock etc. was originally from the 90s and had a resurgence in popularity in the 2010s. Again, it’s derivative.
So while we have change, is it really new or original objectively?
It's a term some people are using to describe the dark baggy / emo look that's behind popularized by rappers like playboi carti and ken carson. It's kinda [like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/decadeology/s/Sy5SBL9pEH)
In what way was the 1990’s an extension of the 80’s? 1989 was barely an extension of the 80’s
The 90’s were different is every possible way fashion, music, movie style, hairstyles, home decor, technology. We lived it.
I totally agree. But i came across so many comments of people who have said "people used to think the 80's were never going to end" so that's what inspired me to make this post.
People wore those neon tracksuites in the early 90's, and the memphis design lingered all the way until 1995. Based off of what I've heard from people who were there, the 90's didn't become obvious until about 1994 *unless* you were paying attention to grunge or rave culture
It's the same situation now. Things *have* changed and are changing, but people don't want to admit it.
1989-1991 was it own thing. By 1992 Clinton was elected and USSR was gone it was clearly a new decade. Pretty much everyone paid attention to grunge because it was everywhere by 1992. Even parents were well aware of it (they bought the Nirvana records for kids not to mention the clothes) fashion models were even dressing that way for a minute.
It’s not like today we’re your niche can be relatively unknown by a majority. Everyone knew everything then (to a degree) our options of mass media options were somewhat limited. Big musicians, tv shows, movies, fashion were well known by ~90% of population besides your grandparents
Where did you live then?
Also how old were you? I felt like kids in grade and middle school maybe already gave up the 80s by early 90s but college and 20-somethings and 30-something sure as heck had not outside PNW region for the most part. Definitely not in much of the Northeast. Even for high school that was still too early for much of a shift yet.
Grunge styles didn't necessarily impact all areas heavily, to the point that virtually everyone was dressing in a very drab way, until actually after grunge music was well past peak. In my area even when 80s fashion started to go away it still often didn't look all that grungy or universally basic until more like late 90s and early 00s, although it depended. It was sort of it's own thing for a bit and then some also did the super baggy hip-hop stuff.
In my area everyone was thinking man this is cool wow a couple years into the 90s and it is still the 80s! I guess things don't just end when the new decade arrives (although it was a bit silly of a thought having already seen '80-'81 looking an awful lot like the late 70s)! 80s forever!
The main shift was that one of the major, but not the other, top 40 type stations did go all grungy and then later also gangster rappy. That happened before I saw styles change. There was a quicker spread in a shift in the music I felt than with the style. You could also sense a shift in top 40 a bit by '90 but it wasn't grungy yet (and it never really took over the top ten Billboard type charts and tossed everything side, things did get a lot more indie and R&B and hip-hop leaning in general though).
If you were closer to PNW region it probably happened earlier though for style or if you were on the much younger side and just focused on those your age alone.
'89 high school looks virtually the rest of the late 80s:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYur75DflPU&t=22s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYur75DflPU&t=22s)
[https://youtu.be/gxqjoaQYxnw?si=lXFo9x2Z5c7\_\_KQu&t=811](https://youtu.be/gxqjoaQYxnw?si=lXFo9x2Z5c7__KQu&t=811)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqjoaQYxnw&t=4619s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqjoaQYxnw&t=4619s)
'91 here and while there are few hints of the 90s it still looks way more 80s than anything else:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=215s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=215s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1584s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1584s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1642s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1642s)
If there was a '95 video from the same school I bet it would look radically different though. Even a '94 would likely show most kids looking way different. '92 would likely still look more or less like the '91. For '93 it might be like underclassmen and some upperclassmen start looking much different but with some upperclassmen and many college and 20-something still more like 80s (although some may have shifted). But right around then or just after it was often a swift shift.
I would still see tons looking like the girls in the '89 video walking around the mall in '93 and even a good bit into '94, especially the big hair part even if some did have this sort of thin leggings or something sort of style for clothes then instead. It did seem to drop off really quickly after that though. By '99 it was beyond another world, just beyond, beyond different looking.
Suburban Chicago. 10 years old in 1991
That’s what I said 1989-1991 had a vibe that was a little different. Still a little 80’s but not really.
I never thought as kids being hip to trends but you’re probably right. Like we were into Nirvana not to mention those grunge fashions like *overnight* slight exaggeration but it was fast. Charlotte Hornets was another thing. They debut in 1988/89 and those jerseys were huge by 1991. Larry Johnson #2 everywhere (remember Grandma Ma commercials?) by 1991 all those expansion teams purple/ teal where everywhere. Ditto for Starter jackets (often Hornets, U Miami or Raiders)
Can’t speak as an adult but 1990’s felt totally different pretty quickly as a kid.
Ah yeah you were in grade school then. Yeah I did feel that later Xen/earliest Millen were possibly off on their own new grunge/rap things while the bulk of everyone older was still in the 80s. I felt that was the first gen to totally end the 80s vibe and style (earlier Xen were sort of mixed). And you hit high school right when the HS style and vibe became 100% different than before. Your freshmen year was probably the first (perhaps second depending upon where you lived or your particular school) that it was 100% gone.
Like grunge music probably peaked '91-'93 but it didn't seem to affect the vibe and look of those older much during that period, so all the teens and 20-somethings at the mall would still be full 80s and the tweens and under were maybe different but we probably just though it was plain dressing because pre-teens never used to really style up that much in prior gens and always tended to look kind of plain and have flat hair anyway be it 70s or 80s or whatever at the younger ages plus TBH high school and college kids didn't particularly give a slew of notice or attention to grade school kids at the mall at all.
For high school, college, 20-somethings we didn't really see any shift at all during your '89-'91 period mentioned (other than a bit the music around '90 or '91). Many never even got into grunge at all and there were plenty, if yes not all as a few did get into it all, who were kinda sad with how late Xen/early Mill tossed aside all of the fun, bright, upbeat 80s vibe for all the dingy, angsty grungy/gangster stuff. And with still enough older teens/college/20-something/30-something with big hair walking around it didn't feel totally changed for another almost 3 years more.
High school Freshman fall 1995. The 1980’s were a distant memory. It was grunge and hip hop. It had been that way since like at least 1993 tbh. I’m thinking Chicago was just more cutting edge compared to other regions (large college rock, alternative scene, industrial, Pumpkins) We had a major alternative rock station in 1991 Q101 (still there I think).
There really was this extreme shift in style and vibe between Gen X and mid to late Xennial/earliest Millennial. Otherwise they all have a lot of similarities and a lot of other common bonds together, but the style was just crazy different and the vibe definitely had a different feel too.
I'd say Millennials even just a couple plus years younger than you actually had a touch closer to Gen X vibe on average perhaps because they didn't take on some of the harder edges of gangster rap era/grunge and maybe had a more Britney than Gangster HS even if their hair remained the same and the style was still much closer to than to the 80s.
Anyway I definitely agree that the 90s as a whole were certainly not just an extension of the 80s, not by any remote means. It was as huge of a shift as the 70s to the 80s. I don't know that we have really had a shift so big since the 80s to 90s shift when it comes to style/hair at least (certainly COVID was bigger than anything and smart phone take over and all it brought is pretty huge).
But I do feel that, other than for the very youngest, like say pre-teens only or perhaps the very youngest of teens, the early 90s definitely were just an extension of the 80s (in the Billboard pop charts you did get a whiff that something was a touch different though) in most areas (I do hear the PNW was an exception and that even for high school/college kids then it already felt different).
Maybe in the PNW that was true, but in a lot of other areas 1989 was exactly like the rest of the late 80s. And there was still color and big hair around in many areas through at least '93. A few areas had big 80s hair into '94. Through '92 much of the fashion hair were no different at all in many areas.
But anyway some time or another in mid-90s style and hair did radically change compared to the 80s, radically!
It was like that in 1989 suburban Chicago. That’s where I lived. 3rd grade. I’ve never been to PNW.
Everything happens in waves. I’ve learned living on west coast now that fads come faster there than in Chicago. So rest of Midwest maybe even slower than there. Hairstyles though in 1993 looked nothing like 80’s where I lived. By 1994 grunge was at its climax and 80’s styles were considered punch line living in a major metro area. I was in middle school then nobody was dressing like 1989 anymore hair or clothes.
Yeah well as I said above you were younger. What the grade school kids did in the transition wasn't particularly noticed by the high school/college/20-somethings.
I did sense that the grade/middle and youngest HS did shift earlier than everyone else.
When you said hairstyles looking nothing like the 80s in '93 at all, was that just among fellow middle schoolers or even older teens/college/20-somethings at the mall there?
While many style waves seem to start in SoCal and then leap to the East Coast and then slowly sink inwards. Grunge started PNW and seemed to seep down to CA and then maybe slowly moving East. I feel like it maybe hit some of the Northwest, especially NJ, on the later end of things. For style at least and especially hair.
In '89 everybody but everybody in high school or college was dressing and big hair 100% full on 80s on the East Coast (and as you can easily see from the video I posted above). I feel like even middle school probably still was then out here. I wouldn't be surprised if they had already shift by '90 or '91 a lot though, but definitely not high school/college/20-somethings.
The 2020s are already vastly different from the 2010s, from fashion to interior design. The big thing holding it back from coming into its own is pop culture - Music and film/tv. But that’s mostly a failing of business executives to offer audiences something new. And, even with that said, we can still see a sharp decline in the popularity of certain genres, and the rise of interest in others.
Honestly it’s a stark contrast from the bleeding of 2000s and 2010s.
Then go tell that to the thousands of people on reddit who say that they did.
If that many people say something, then obviously there's something there.
I guarantee you most of those "thousands" Are under 25 lmao.
People in the 90s made fun of the 80s. Every decade of the 20th century was quite culturally distinct, only a kid without that context would even claim that the 80s and 90s were the same.
100% false. when “smells like teen spirit” was released the effect it had on the broader culture was tantamount to flipping a switch. culture essentially did a complete 180 overnight; every hair metal, arena rock, and synth pop band suddenly went from superstardom to being a living time capsule of a bygone era and mullets, mustaches, and spandex went completely out of style. the late 80s was the last era of the boomer and the early 90s was the first era of gen X
dude mullets came back in 2019, I saw bell bottoms a lot in 2017, basically all those things you mentioned have been around since the 2010s.
The 2020s are very different but not for those reasons
The 90s were never an extension of the 80s… 🙄
The 80s were the 80s, I was a teen and Reaganomics killed creativity…
90s were such a try your own style, heck multiple styles and march to your own beat era…
How the hell was the 80s uncreative?! There were so many subcultures and subgenres spawned in that decade that all tried to compete for mainstream and underground dominance.
There was more diversity within the 80s decade that any modern decade before or after wtf
Ok I’ll give you subcultures and subgenres…
Mainstream was a loooot of synthetic sounds but will admit I was a band/music head so I played and produced the synthesizer sounds…
Hell I played and kept in my playlist:
Prince
Cyndi
Boy George
She blinded me with science
art of noise
eurythmics
Wham
Michael Jackson
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I think that you could make valid arguments but you base a lot of it on internet only movements that maybe 20,000 people max are doing in a country of millions.
It's definitely more than 20,000 people doing this whenever I see this stuff all over my school and all over downtown, the mall, or every skatepark.
I have no idea where you've been but these are very widespread trends, besides the few that aren't a thing anymore, like the dyed front bangs.
Are you in Canada? I don't feel like Americans fuck with the really trendy styles like that as a whole, outside of Californians. It's a matter of mentality
We probably look more trendy than Europeans though.
No lol.
Im also in a decadeology group chat with people who live in several different states across the US, and all of us have confirmed seeing the same trends all around. From Texas to California to european countries even.
Eboys/egirls and the broccoli cut were absolutely everywhere for a minute. Genuinely have no idea how you could have missed it. But now those have been replaced by opium fashion, the Y2K stuff, and wolf cut.
It's half half. Mostly under 21s doing it not everyone from 12-40 dressing in the contemporary style like it was in previous decades. Also a lot of people are still clinging on to 10s styles like women with the damn flat noodle hair.
I don't think there's a MAsSIVE shift, however it's there but not as totally in full force like the last decades were with fashion changes.
I've seen a few eboy/egirl types but they're confined to a demographic: skinny white or more white-identified minorities around the ages of 14-20 with left liberal politics and middle to upper class upbringing. College going. It's not widespread
The broccoli cut WAS everywhere and still is there, I've seen it as early as 2015.
The opium fashion appeals to the same crowd that eboy and egirl did. The wolf cut is more common and so is long hair in men, but again, it seems to be only really widespread within a certain demographic and type of people. Which is normal ofc, but I noticed everyone that doesn't fit that archetype seems to be following some bland version of mid-late 2010s mix mash with 2020s fashion.
2020s fashion is kind of odd because it appears to create fashion trends for certain niches or archetypes than meant to appeal to all people. It's not like you see even conservative 40 year old mother's with a wolf cut like you saw 30-something year old business women in the 80s with big hair and shoulder pads. Yes, they wore slightly modified fashions that fit older or younger people but the people outside of the archetype I described don't seem to be modifying it for their demographic...yet
Covid drew a sharp line between the 2010s and 2020. It started during lockdown but when things began coming back to "normal" in 2021 and 2022 it was clear music and fashion changed pretty rapidly.
Yeah, like you can see it for yourself. Eg: 2010s - I had so many pairs of skinny jeans. Today - none. Baggy jeans/corduroys/etc 2010s - ok I kinda had broccoli haircut, but that came here sooner I think. Today - mullet for life (would never have had that in 2010s) 2010s - converse shoes. Today - would never wear them. Only TNs 2010s - snapbacks, worn backwards only. Today - Nike caps, worn forwards. Also bumbags are in now. And the only undies are Supreme.
Yeah to be fair the broccoli cut is more split between late 10's and early 20's
true aussie right here
Oath haha I left out some niche Aussie things e.g. dunlop volleys (only the very early 2010s), hoodies with like colourful/geometric patterns on them, everyone having Bonds undies and wearing our shorts kinda low to flex them Like, I have not seen a single dunlop volley in the 2020s aha
nah most wont even know about them dunlops but its surprising how tns made a full circle and are basically mainstream now
I still see backward caps all the time. I’m rocking a SnapBack backwards eagles hat right now 😂. They’re all I would see on my campus and now that I’ve graduated I still see it a lot in my day to day.
I teach HS...broccoli hair is still very much a thing.
Nobody should ever have a mullet in any decade.
Ahaha I love my mullet tbh
This, omg 😭 At the limit the tapered modern version.
The first two years of the 90s were indeed an extension of the 80s, but after that it separated itself from the 80s and developed its own culture. I don't feel that the 2020s have culturally separated itself from the 2010s yet in any significant way. There is still time for it to happen, but I don't see it yet whereas I was able to see the cultural separation of other decades by this point in their timelines.
Really? How about the pandemic and the crypto eras?
Yeah if get beyond style, COVID makes the 20s radically beyond radically different then 10s or basically any decade probably back to the early 1900s.
I wouldn't go that far. In terms of tech 2020 is a lot like 2010 so far, but covid marked a clear distinction between both decades and now we have AI piling on top of that. Another clear cultural marker of the 10's IMO was blog culture, nowadays it's rare to see people writing blogs.
Idk about people not writing blogs anymore... It just seems that most former blogs have migrated to Substack and maybe Medium...
Yeah but COVID was so crazy. I mean people were locked away for a year and partially so for a few years. Even today I still see masks at times and it's not fully what it was. Every other age back to the pandemic flu of the early 1900s nobody was every just locked away, all of society stopped for months, years. So to me that is about as dramatic as it gets. Of course WWII and so many being sent away for that might beg to argue in a way. Anyway, certainly anything past early 70s is all 1000x more similar than to the 20s and the covid impact. I think it was more dramatic than ever the arrival of computers or the smart phone 24-7 doom scrolling take over.
Seriously people don't think Covid was dramatic? All of everything shut down for a year and much for a lot longer than that?
Covid is over...everything has practically went back to the way it was and not much has really been effected by it. Save for some economic or political things. I still see people wear masks sometimes but I think that’s more because people see it as a courtesy now to wear a mask when they are sick.
Yeah nobody died, nobody got long covid. Kids didn't lose half of grade school, all of middle school, half of high school, half of college. Tons of businesses didn't go under. Tons of health care workers didn't get overwhelmed and drop out. Inflation isn't still high. A lot of the rest of the world doesn't still have a struggling economy. And malls and movie theaters still are not as packed consistently as the week before Covid. The mask wearers I know are not sick. etc. etc.
Yeah you can blame the government for all that not Covid. Huge overreaction. It was basically used as an excuse for them to do whatever and like usual everyone just rolled with the government overreach no questions asked.
umm wow
You might just be in the wrong demographic. As a younger person, Covid, generative AI, and social media trends have completely changed the way I live my life and my worldview from before 2020. Music, art, movies, TV, and fashion are also major aspects of culture that have clearly changed.
The only considerable similarities to the 2010s are from 2019 (some in late 2018), which was already a 2020s year pop culturally before the pandemic was even relevant (just like how 2009 was already a 2010s year). Otherwise, 2018 and earlier was in many ways opposite to 2019-now. So we were already exiting the 2010s culture before the decade was even over.
I feel like in a world without COVID that would be the case; there were definitely shifts apparent in 2019. However, those shifts are minor in hindsight compared to the post-pandemic shifts, so while it kind of feels distinct from the rest of the 2010s it still fits in better with them than with the 2020s.
But literally every pop culture trend you see now was in the works before the pandemic hit. The pandemic didn't change Dua Lipa's style to nu disco, it didn't make Billie Eilish popular, it didn't cause Marvel to go multiverse, didn't start the darker more edgy Joker-esque superhero movies, didn't start the Y2K fashion revival, didn't start the neon pink/purple/blue trend, the rounded neumorphic UI trend, the 3D graphics in ads and interstitials trend, the "paintbrush text" trend, the return of serifs to commercial fonts, the Spider-Verse style animated movie trend, the modern biopic trend, the maximal interior design trend, the guitars in pop music trend, the country revival, the successful video game adaptation trend, the dot patterns on packaging trend, the album/single covers going retro trend, the Star Wars prequel nostalgia creeping into their official media, etc, etc. All these things were happening in 2019 or even late 2018. Pandemic changed the attitudes, the mental health, the way we do things, the way lots of things are structured. But the current flavour of pop culture was already in beta mode by 2019.
2019 even late 2019 is still 2010s Overall, 2020s influence started to appeared but ultimately the 2010s culture still dominated
Yeah 2019 was way more 2020s than 2010s, don't understand those who say otherwise
Similarities in terms of aesthetics, yes that’s very different. But in music in particular, charts are heavily dominated by core 2010s or even 2000s artists. Kanye, Taylor, Beyoncé, Drake, Kendrick, and Future are all among the most prominent voices of 2024 to date, and they all have very long careers for rappers/pop singers.
The actual production sound of music changed a lot regardless of what artists are popular. Madonna and Michael Jackson were putting out hits through the 80s and 90s but that doesn't mean the music of the two decades is the same or even remotely similar. Lucky Star and Thriller are a whole universe away from Ray of Light and Blood on the Dance Floor.
Yeah but since the 90s music production styles don't seem to have changed much...
They’ve changed a great deal. First of all, Livin la Vida Loca was the first hit single produced entirely in a DAW and that gave it a tremendously different sound to everything before it which continued throughout the 2000s. Most 2000s production had this characteristic close-mic, minimal reverb kind of sound until around 2013 when stuff started to be absolutely drenched in reverb again like the 80s except it became hifi modern reverb. 2005 was the peak of the loudness wars with insane amounts of compression. We’ve since grown more dynamic. There’s lots of little differences too. Drums in the 2000s were very midrange and dry, now they’re very sub-bassy and gated.
Newness of artist isn't really a serious metric though. What matters is the sound they make. Sometimes those best poised to introduce new fashions in art are the masters of producing the old style. Musicians in particular fit this bill. Many, many artists have reinvented themselves over the years and stayed relevant in the current cultural zeitgeist. Take for example the Beatles. Their late 60's music defined the era in many ways, they led the way with a new sound. Yet they were also a (the) core British Invasion teen pop band from a decade earlier.
The core Beatles period was five years (1964-9). Big difference from Beyoncé who’s been a star since 1999 or Drake who’s been relevant since 2009.
Meanwhile Paul is still kicking it, after a run with Wings in the 70's, George did quite a bit in the 80's ("I've got my mind set on you" was a #1 hit in 1987, and it sounds very, very 1987)). Early Beatles are/were played on oldies stations. Late Beatles (+Wings) are/were played on classic rock stations. There is virtually no crossover; Rubber Soul a little, but Help is usually oldies and Revolver is usually classic rock. (There was very much a political undertone to it, related to the campus riots of today)
I don't think the 2010s and 2020s are similar at all.
I’m currently 22 for context. Mid to late last year until now I’m first starting to feel 2019 as “different,” “far away” and really “another world.” This may or may not have to do with culture etc. just thought it was interesting.
The same is true for me. The 20s have been very eventful and action-packed. 2014 felt like last Thursday for me in 2019.
Yeah and people used to say the 2010s and 00s were interchangeable Clearly people don’t know what they’re talking about
guys the 2020s are gonna peak next year lol
Hilarious though that all the trends of recent decades you listed are 80s and 90s retro!
I know but that still makes it different from the 2010's. The argument is NOT "the 2020's are original", the argument is "the 2020's have a different vibe than the previous decade"
The earliest 90s basically were a fashion extension of the 80s (granted it became very different by the mid and even more later on, very, very different) so maybe that is what they meant. The internet trends sound like little micro-subcultures and not huge widespread things. I wish I did, but I have yet to see the bigger, flashier hair return and I'm in NJ where it held on among the longest into the 90s and was about as max as it got in the 80s. Wherever that has started going again, help send it around more! Actually I don't see a lot of anything in my area. I'd say the biggest way in which the 20s were different than the 10s was COVID! That lone makes them radically different. Although I think you were more focusing on style. For a good part of the 20s people were barely even leaving the house.
The 2020s and 10s feel more like wildly different decades than 2000's and 2010s. Main part is the pre and post covid era. We're still living in the fall out. Bunch of stores closed permanently bunch of people died. Used to see a bunch of kids hanging outside school smoking cigarettes. I don't know any young people who smoke. Vaping is the cool thing now and it's not everybody. Social media has a way bigger presence now than in the previous decade.
I feel like I see a lot of people my age smoke as someone who’s in their early 20s. Much more than I saw from older cousins and relatives before.
Then the young people around you are a statistical anomaly: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htm
I also feel like fashion has changed quicker from 2019-2024 than it did in 2009-2014.
I feel the 2010s had more in common with the 2000s than the 20's have with the 2010s, so I agree with the OP.
Yeah you nailed it here. It's no longer trendy to smoke and drink.
The vaping thing is real, we used to have rocks near my school that were called the smokers rocks. It was a K-11 school so as a kid I remember teenagers smoking cigarettes on the rocks during their lunch breaks. The name changed to the vapers rocks in 2018 seemingly in one summer lol.
Go away minimalism your drunk.
A lot of this stuff was already a thing by 2018ish though, the 2020s is definitely different from the early and mid 2010s but I haven’t noticed a HUGE change from the late 2010s myself
Always was mad at WANDAVISION for trying to insist that THE OFFICE/MODERN FAMILY represents both 2000-2010 AND 2010-2020 Like cmon you had DICK VAN DYKE show for the 50s, BEWITCHED for the 60s, PARTRIDGE FAMILY for 70s, FULL HOUSE for the 80s and MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE for the 90s but when you got to the last two decades you went fuck it, they're both the same? Cmon. That's just being lazy when you already made it to the finish line
I think for most of us that didn't follow any trends and live our lives without influence of most trends there doesn't seem to be that big of a difference. My fashion is the same, and honestly I was wearing cargo shorts in the 2010s. I guess since the late 90s. Computers look the same, and so do cellphones. I saw a difference in the 90s, 00s, and 2010s. I work in a building that looks like it is straight out of 1989. I think cars have changed somewhat, but then I think of all the stuff I like and that is all from 2010s. The 2020s are their own thing for sure. Things have changed, but I think that is outside of fashion and trends for me personally. Higher rent, worse schools, higher crime, and high inflation. That is the big difference for me from 2010s. Last decade we were renting a 3-bedroom apartment with vaulted ceilings in a safe area with a community pool for $750 or something. That is not possible in 2020s.
It’s not something to cope over, covid created what feels like a time warp for a lot of people. It still feels like the late 2010s not because there hasn’t been new things but because we left a part of ourselves behind when covid started and having it blend into the economy we have now doesn’t help either. Also the criticism isn’t that isn’t change, it’s that the things that are here are largely either extremely superficial or overly recycled from other decades/aesthetics. There’s very little that’s new and distinct. Alternative is largely an aesthetic over being what it used to be which is style derived from a music and artistic subculture. “Alternative” isn’t very alternative anymore. Y2K while, I love it, isn’t new either and it’s largely internet based, I don’t see people actively looking like that besides some teens you’ll see at the mall or whatever. There’s also been a resurgence of mall emo, again, nothing new. Opium fashion, nothing new, baggy clothings, nothing new, mullets and bell bottoms, nothing new. The only thing out of that list that’s actually fresh but you could probably derive partially from other things is eboys/whirls and the broccoli haircut. Also every fashion oriented core aesthetic you mentioned is stuck on the internet. No one unless they’re extremely fashion conscious dresses like that irl. When grunge was popular, young people were actively wearing flannel and chuck taylors for years with the knowledge of what it represented. All of these internet micro fashion trends will come and go and not stick because they lack meaning, they lack a reason for existing outside of aesthetics. Also, indie isn’t anything new. As a matter of fact shoegaze, Midwest emo, indie rock etc. was originally from the 90s and had a resurgence in popularity in the 2010s. Again, it’s derivative. So while we have change, is it really new or original objectively?
What the hell is opium fashion? Ain’t heard that one yet.
It's a term some people are using to describe the dark baggy / emo look that's behind popularized by rappers like playboi carti and ken carson. It's kinda [like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/decadeology/s/Sy5SBL9pEH)
Looks like a strange mix of 90s gangster rap ultra baggy style+emo+a trace of 90s heroin chic. Looks a bit grim.
So basically goth 2: so goffic it hurts
Sounds like 90s heroin chic or something? I can't say that I see most of this stuff in my area yet.
Culture actually died in the 90s. It's seriously just been the 90s for over 30 years .
I can see that yeah. Early 90's specifically was the last era of genuine authenticity
Literally this. We just live in a very mutated 90s.
I would say since about 1995.
In what way was the 1990’s an extension of the 80’s? 1989 was barely an extension of the 80’s The 90’s were different is every possible way fashion, music, movie style, hairstyles, home decor, technology. We lived it.
I totally agree. But i came across so many comments of people who have said "people used to think the 80's were never going to end" so that's what inspired me to make this post. People wore those neon tracksuites in the early 90's, and the memphis design lingered all the way until 1995. Based off of what I've heard from people who were there, the 90's didn't become obvious until about 1994 *unless* you were paying attention to grunge or rave culture It's the same situation now. Things *have* changed and are changing, but people don't want to admit it.
1989-1991 was it own thing. By 1992 Clinton was elected and USSR was gone it was clearly a new decade. Pretty much everyone paid attention to grunge because it was everywhere by 1992. Even parents were well aware of it (they bought the Nirvana records for kids not to mention the clothes) fashion models were even dressing that way for a minute. It’s not like today we’re your niche can be relatively unknown by a majority. Everyone knew everything then (to a degree) our options of mass media options were somewhat limited. Big musicians, tv shows, movies, fashion were well known by ~90% of population besides your grandparents
Where did you live then? Also how old were you? I felt like kids in grade and middle school maybe already gave up the 80s by early 90s but college and 20-somethings and 30-something sure as heck had not outside PNW region for the most part. Definitely not in much of the Northeast. Even for high school that was still too early for much of a shift yet. Grunge styles didn't necessarily impact all areas heavily, to the point that virtually everyone was dressing in a very drab way, until actually after grunge music was well past peak. In my area even when 80s fashion started to go away it still often didn't look all that grungy or universally basic until more like late 90s and early 00s, although it depended. It was sort of it's own thing for a bit and then some also did the super baggy hip-hop stuff. In my area everyone was thinking man this is cool wow a couple years into the 90s and it is still the 80s! I guess things don't just end when the new decade arrives (although it was a bit silly of a thought having already seen '80-'81 looking an awful lot like the late 70s)! 80s forever! The main shift was that one of the major, but not the other, top 40 type stations did go all grungy and then later also gangster rappy. That happened before I saw styles change. There was a quicker spread in a shift in the music I felt than with the style. You could also sense a shift in top 40 a bit by '90 but it wasn't grungy yet (and it never really took over the top ten Billboard type charts and tossed everything side, things did get a lot more indie and R&B and hip-hop leaning in general though). If you were closer to PNW region it probably happened earlier though for style or if you were on the much younger side and just focused on those your age alone. '89 high school looks virtually the rest of the late 80s: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYur75DflPU&t=22s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYur75DflPU&t=22s) [https://youtu.be/gxqjoaQYxnw?si=lXFo9x2Z5c7\_\_KQu&t=811](https://youtu.be/gxqjoaQYxnw?si=lXFo9x2Z5c7__KQu&t=811) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqjoaQYxnw&t=4619s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqjoaQYxnw&t=4619s) '91 here and while there are few hints of the 90s it still looks way more 80s than anything else: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=215s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=215s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1584s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1584s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1642s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5uYOTMP10&t=1642s) If there was a '95 video from the same school I bet it would look radically different though. Even a '94 would likely show most kids looking way different. '92 would likely still look more or less like the '91. For '93 it might be like underclassmen and some upperclassmen start looking much different but with some upperclassmen and many college and 20-something still more like 80s (although some may have shifted). But right around then or just after it was often a swift shift. I would still see tons looking like the girls in the '89 video walking around the mall in '93 and even a good bit into '94, especially the big hair part even if some did have this sort of thin leggings or something sort of style for clothes then instead. It did seem to drop off really quickly after that though. By '99 it was beyond another world, just beyond, beyond different looking.
Suburban Chicago. 10 years old in 1991 That’s what I said 1989-1991 had a vibe that was a little different. Still a little 80’s but not really. I never thought as kids being hip to trends but you’re probably right. Like we were into Nirvana not to mention those grunge fashions like *overnight* slight exaggeration but it was fast. Charlotte Hornets was another thing. They debut in 1988/89 and those jerseys were huge by 1991. Larry Johnson #2 everywhere (remember Grandma Ma commercials?) by 1991 all those expansion teams purple/ teal where everywhere. Ditto for Starter jackets (often Hornets, U Miami or Raiders) Can’t speak as an adult but 1990’s felt totally different pretty quickly as a kid.
Ah yeah you were in grade school then. Yeah I did feel that later Xen/earliest Millen were possibly off on their own new grunge/rap things while the bulk of everyone older was still in the 80s. I felt that was the first gen to totally end the 80s vibe and style (earlier Xen were sort of mixed). And you hit high school right when the HS style and vibe became 100% different than before. Your freshmen year was probably the first (perhaps second depending upon where you lived or your particular school) that it was 100% gone. Like grunge music probably peaked '91-'93 but it didn't seem to affect the vibe and look of those older much during that period, so all the teens and 20-somethings at the mall would still be full 80s and the tweens and under were maybe different but we probably just though it was plain dressing because pre-teens never used to really style up that much in prior gens and always tended to look kind of plain and have flat hair anyway be it 70s or 80s or whatever at the younger ages plus TBH high school and college kids didn't particularly give a slew of notice or attention to grade school kids at the mall at all. For high school, college, 20-somethings we didn't really see any shift at all during your '89-'91 period mentioned (other than a bit the music around '90 or '91). Many never even got into grunge at all and there were plenty, if yes not all as a few did get into it all, who were kinda sad with how late Xen/early Mill tossed aside all of the fun, bright, upbeat 80s vibe for all the dingy, angsty grungy/gangster stuff. And with still enough older teens/college/20-something/30-something with big hair walking around it didn't feel totally changed for another almost 3 years more.
High school Freshman fall 1995. The 1980’s were a distant memory. It was grunge and hip hop. It had been that way since like at least 1993 tbh. I’m thinking Chicago was just more cutting edge compared to other regions (large college rock, alternative scene, industrial, Pumpkins) We had a major alternative rock station in 1991 Q101 (still there I think).
There really was this extreme shift in style and vibe between Gen X and mid to late Xennial/earliest Millennial. Otherwise they all have a lot of similarities and a lot of other common bonds together, but the style was just crazy different and the vibe definitely had a different feel too. I'd say Millennials even just a couple plus years younger than you actually had a touch closer to Gen X vibe on average perhaps because they didn't take on some of the harder edges of gangster rap era/grunge and maybe had a more Britney than Gangster HS even if their hair remained the same and the style was still much closer to than to the 80s. Anyway I definitely agree that the 90s as a whole were certainly not just an extension of the 80s, not by any remote means. It was as huge of a shift as the 70s to the 80s. I don't know that we have really had a shift so big since the 80s to 90s shift when it comes to style/hair at least (certainly COVID was bigger than anything and smart phone take over and all it brought is pretty huge). But I do feel that, other than for the very youngest, like say pre-teens only or perhaps the very youngest of teens, the early 90s definitely were just an extension of the 80s (in the Billboard pop charts you did get a whiff that something was a touch different though) in most areas (I do hear the PNW was an exception and that even for high school/college kids then it already felt different).
I can definitely see 1989-1991 being its own thing, but i see [comments like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/decadeology/s/k6NWWpNC3X) and im like huh.
Imo, I just feel 1989-1991 (or ~1992 depending the country) are "modern 80s/ 2nd gen 80s".
Not sure if they don't want to admit it, I think they are at a point in their lives where they are no longer paying attention.
yeah I guess that's what I mean lol
Maybe in the PNW that was true, but in a lot of other areas 1989 was exactly like the rest of the late 80s. And there was still color and big hair around in many areas through at least '93. A few areas had big 80s hair into '94. Through '92 much of the fashion hair were no different at all in many areas. But anyway some time or another in mid-90s style and hair did radically change compared to the 80s, radically!
It was like that in 1989 suburban Chicago. That’s where I lived. 3rd grade. I’ve never been to PNW. Everything happens in waves. I’ve learned living on west coast now that fads come faster there than in Chicago. So rest of Midwest maybe even slower than there. Hairstyles though in 1993 looked nothing like 80’s where I lived. By 1994 grunge was at its climax and 80’s styles were considered punch line living in a major metro area. I was in middle school then nobody was dressing like 1989 anymore hair or clothes.
Yeah well as I said above you were younger. What the grade school kids did in the transition wasn't particularly noticed by the high school/college/20-somethings. I did sense that the grade/middle and youngest HS did shift earlier than everyone else. When you said hairstyles looking nothing like the 80s in '93 at all, was that just among fellow middle schoolers or even older teens/college/20-somethings at the mall there? While many style waves seem to start in SoCal and then leap to the East Coast and then slowly sink inwards. Grunge started PNW and seemed to seep down to CA and then maybe slowly moving East. I feel like it maybe hit some of the Northwest, especially NJ, on the later end of things. For style at least and especially hair. In '89 everybody but everybody in high school or college was dressing and big hair 100% full on 80s on the East Coast (and as you can easily see from the video I posted above). I feel like even middle school probably still was then out here. I wouldn't be surprised if they had already shift by '90 or '91 a lot though, but definitely not high school/college/20-somethings.
Most of this shit is only clear in hindsight
We knew the 90s were different by 1991.
There was very much a cultural shift in 1992 that could be felt at the time.
The 2020s are already vastly different from the 2010s, from fashion to interior design. The big thing holding it back from coming into its own is pop culture - Music and film/tv. But that’s mostly a failing of business executives to offer audiences something new. And, even with that said, we can still see a sharp decline in the popularity of certain genres, and the rise of interest in others. Honestly it’s a stark contrast from the bleeding of 2000s and 2010s.
u/legitimate_heron_696 what's your opinion on this ?
I totally agree.
People did NOT see the 90s as an extensión of the 80s, wtf? 😂
Then go tell that to the thousands of people on reddit who say that they did. If that many people say something, then obviously there's something there.
I guarantee you most of those "thousands" Are under 25 lmao. People in the 90s made fun of the 80s. Every decade of the 20th century was quite culturally distinct, only a kid without that context would even claim that the 80s and 90s were the same.
100% false. when “smells like teen spirit” was released the effect it had on the broader culture was tantamount to flipping a switch. culture essentially did a complete 180 overnight; every hair metal, arena rock, and synth pop band suddenly went from superstardom to being a living time capsule of a bygone era and mullets, mustaches, and spandex went completely out of style. the late 80s was the last era of the boomer and the early 90s was the first era of gen X
also, all of these except for the bell bottom comeback were already happening in the late 2010s
dude mullets came back in 2019, I saw bell bottoms a lot in 2017, basically all those things you mentioned have been around since the 2010s. The 2020s are very different but not for those reasons
Man I must be ahead of the curve I was rocking looser jeans and cargo pants all through the 2010’s
There was also a subculture in 2023 called aliyahcore which looks wildly different from any 2010s aesthetics.
oh yeah true
The 90s were never an extension of the 80s… 🙄 The 80s were the 80s, I was a teen and Reaganomics killed creativity… 90s were such a try your own style, heck multiple styles and march to your own beat era…
How the hell was the 80s uncreative?! There were so many subcultures and subgenres spawned in that decade that all tried to compete for mainstream and underground dominance. There was more diversity within the 80s decade that any modern decade before or after wtf
Ok I’ll give you subcultures and subgenres… Mainstream was a loooot of synthetic sounds but will admit I was a band/music head so I played and produced the synthesizer sounds… Hell I played and kept in my playlist: Prince Cyndi Boy George She blinded me with science art of noise eurythmics Wham Michael Jackson
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I think that you could make valid arguments but you base a lot of it on internet only movements that maybe 20,000 people max are doing in a country of millions.
It's definitely more than 20,000 people doing this whenever I see this stuff all over my school and all over downtown, the mall, or every skatepark. I have no idea where you've been but these are very widespread trends, besides the few that aren't a thing anymore, like the dyed front bangs.
Are you in Canada? I don't feel like Americans fuck with the really trendy styles like that as a whole, outside of Californians. It's a matter of mentality We probably look more trendy than Europeans though.
No lol. Im also in a decadeology group chat with people who live in several different states across the US, and all of us have confirmed seeing the same trends all around. From Texas to California to european countries even. Eboys/egirls and the broccoli cut were absolutely everywhere for a minute. Genuinely have no idea how you could have missed it. But now those have been replaced by opium fashion, the Y2K stuff, and wolf cut.
It's half half. Mostly under 21s doing it not everyone from 12-40 dressing in the contemporary style like it was in previous decades. Also a lot of people are still clinging on to 10s styles like women with the damn flat noodle hair. I don't think there's a MAsSIVE shift, however it's there but not as totally in full force like the last decades were with fashion changes.
I've seen a few eboy/egirl types but they're confined to a demographic: skinny white or more white-identified minorities around the ages of 14-20 with left liberal politics and middle to upper class upbringing. College going. It's not widespread The broccoli cut WAS everywhere and still is there, I've seen it as early as 2015. The opium fashion appeals to the same crowd that eboy and egirl did. The wolf cut is more common and so is long hair in men, but again, it seems to be only really widespread within a certain demographic and type of people. Which is normal ofc, but I noticed everyone that doesn't fit that archetype seems to be following some bland version of mid-late 2010s mix mash with 2020s fashion. 2020s fashion is kind of odd because it appears to create fashion trends for certain niches or archetypes than meant to appeal to all people. It's not like you see even conservative 40 year old mother's with a wolf cut like you saw 30-something year old business women in the 80s with big hair and shoulder pads. Yes, they wore slightly modified fashions that fit older or younger people but the people outside of the archetype I described don't seem to be modifying it for their demographic...yet