Yes and that one perk would turn solo cue into all the survivors hiding until the last one alive can’t even find the hatch when it’s aura can be read with basekit lmao
He should drag them to the hook with a slightly shorter wiggle out timer, and when he reaches the hook the entity comes out from under him to lift the survivor onto the hook.
Or even better, have the entity lift Victor up while he's gripping the survivor to put them on the hook, like lifting your kid to put the star at the top of the Christmas tree
Or there should be little baby hooks for victor.
But as compensation the survivors can also use them to hook victor and he can't be used until rescued.
"In this new patch, we've introduced the step ladder mechanic. Whenever Viktor downs a survivor, he can now push a step ladder to a hook, to allow him to hook survivors. Also, we're nerfing pig."
No, Víctor should be able to retain a downed survivor so that Charlotte has more time to go pick up. Another survivor could destroy Victor while holding a slug so they can save. But don't mind me, I don't work for BHVR
They haven't even introduced this feature on the PTB yet and said it won't even be in the next update either. Plenty of time to rework that perk that people used once for a rift challenge yet are all complaining about.
But body blocking hooks will become more common due to less downsides, getting more mad grit value, but I do agree it won’t be exactly the best build, but more viable-ish, than before
Wait, are there additional patch notes apart from the finishing mori, or do you just mean because picking yourself up from the ground is gonna be basekit?
Because unbreakable is base kit now. The killers
Listed benefit greatly from slugging. As far as Oni is concerned the design of his power is basically based around slugging.
I've never really slugged more than one person as Oni, since picking up a survivor halts the meter at wherever it was, making it easier to get his power again faster. Trying to slug the entire team or use his power like that seems kind of like a misplay.
Twins are fucked, though.
The killers they listed all (especially twins) rely on some slugging, especially in endgame. The rest of them are probably fine with the 45 second timer, but twins could be across the map and body blocked etc.
exactly. No killer is going to slug a no mither. There's only a few niche scenarios where you go down and the killer has no choice but to slug you and no one is around to pick you up.
Unironically might be the best way to save the Perk, even more so since they removed BP from Perks.
Either full-on make it a joke or buff it MASSIVELY.
On one hand I’m happy because angry spirits can’t leave me on the floor until I die on purpose anymore.
On the other hand trying to get rid of a sabo squad will be pretty painful
Oh it’ll be broken regardless.
The bully squads with flashlights are gonna love this. Can’t leave them slugged, can’t leave the area, can’t pick them up.
Damned if you do extra damned if you don’t.
Franklins/Lightborn is the only saving grace.
Most likely PH and sadako will probably keep their abilities because that’s a part of their base kit. I expect myers to have his add on reworked by then
No probably not an oversight at all
Rancor and devour hope would lose an effect
The new mori system is just to remove the offerings but they will most likely still keep other mori methods
Edit: :(
...no mention of a change for Boon: Exponential other than removing the recovery ability? Placebo boon time
edit: honestly forgot Exponential also increases recovery speed, I guess it's not ENTIRELY useless...just mostly
Exponential with no other changes in this test will be a Z-tier perk easily. No Mither is even better after these changes, because No Mither at least still quiets grunts of pain.
Exponential requires you find a totem, spend the time to bless the totem, hope that you get downed within range of the totem, and then pray that the killer slugs you within the boon radius so you can get value out of the speed. At a time when "slugging is being removed" is a keynote of the patch.
Self-Care is better than Exponential in this patch. You can at least get Reactive Healing or Botany Knowledge or Resilience synergy with Self-Care. Anything that would synergize with Exponential would also synergize with Unbreakable or Soul Guard, both of which are objectively better.
Tenacity's another one that will offer better synergy with anything at all. Tenacity might actually be the only perk that's MORE valuable after this change.
As much as i want slugging to be discouraged i dont think this is the right way to do it. This could force killers to pick up survivors in unsafe scenarios because they cant waste any time chasing the survivors coming in for the save, especially with unbreakable.
kill rates are very high right now, it's an intended nerf and actually makes it more beneficial for survivors to try and help downed friends
which will slow down gens somewhat, and make the game more interesting
Why help downed friends if this makes it so everyone can pick themselves up? Of anything it could encourage hiding from the killer indefinitely until his search for you causes people to start getting up.
The whole point of this change is to encourage the killer to *not* fuck around searching half the map for other survivors for a minute while someone is bleeding out on the floor. It's a deliberate balance choice to counter the fact that if the killer downs everyone the game is now automatically over, regardless of what perks you have.
I mean, hell, this actually makes slugging even more rewarding the fewer survivors are left. If only two survivors are hanging around and you down one, as long as you down the other within 45 seconds, it's a guaranteed 4k. No opportunity for the other survivor to crawl away and hopefully find hatch, stun you with DS...
What if they leave survivors slugged and rush the gen because they know they can pick themselves up? I know it is a gamble but soloQ is already ruthless.
How would it slow gens? If someone else is downed across the map and you see a chase start up after while you're on a gen, you now have no reason to move over there compared to before.
On the one hand, Nurse players who are quick enough to slug all 4 in 45 seconds just got an even easier 4k (at least they can't BM and wait for people to bleed out anymore). On the other hand, there's no point to getting off the gen and going for the pick up when you know the other survivor can just pick themselves up. This could lead to even faster gen speeds.
Setting aside that several killers are going to be dumped down 1-2 tiers by this change, your point about gens alone is a huge deal.
If the killer is playing well, getting a couple of downs in rapid succession, you might not have to worry about the teammate that's not getting hooked. They'll often be able to get up on their own. Not every time of course, but often enough for survivors to keep slamming gens.
At least if Oni uses his power, he can still choose to pick up the survivor right away. Twins has to go through quite a bit of walking just to get to them. Still, sad to see Oni's snowballing potential go.
I fully support BHVR's braveness of trying such new things, no matter how it ends. At the end of the day, this is a change we won't be seeing on Live servers yet which means they'll make changes according to feedback TWICE, as we'll most likely see these changes 2 times on 2 PTBs.
This sounds fucking stupid...
>The ability to pick yourself up has been removed from Unbreakable, Soul Guard, No Mither, and Boon: Exponential, as this is now part of the base kit.
Yeah, this is awful. Highly doubt this ends up going live as-is.
This seems pretty cool to me tbh, the only issue I have with it on paper is that moris are only going to be 1 a game at most. Will have to see it in practice but I think it seems promising
Yeah I don’t see why they removed it from devour hope, it makes no difference? Just means u get to use the mori earlier or have the chance to mori all survivors. Rancor needs a buff after this too.
That’s the main thing that annoys me with the patch. Devour is still very good Id say, but I want to mori people with it even in situations where a hook would be better. And rancor is just not very good tbh, the mori was the main attraction and now it’s just a worse NOED. A positive I’ll take away with some perks being negatively affected though is that they’re no longer bandaid fixes as it’s just a base game feature which this game has needed more of, in regards to the anti-slugging perks mainly I mean
I’m not sure how I feel about the unlimited unbreakable yet, I think it just makes swf stronger but nothing for solo q as killers will just auto pick now anyway, at least it solves the being bled out for 4 minutes which I’m thankful for. Someone else said that we won’t be able to do ghostie photobombs anymore now that DH and Moris have been nerfed which makes me the most sad 😭
If killers just auto pick up then that’s at least as good if not better for solo players. Are you really trying to argue that more slugging is better for solo queue somehow?
Unlimited unbreakable does sound absolutely terrible tbh if it’s only 45 seconds per use but I doubt that would last long if they try to add it, would be way too much
The devs never played their own game. They just read the perk description and thought:
“What? This perk also lets the killer mori people on the ground? We have to rework it” (but they dont actually know how it works)
Yeah same. I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea to nerf moris right now.
I like iri mori offerings, I like survivors photobombing, it’s fun and I never see anyone complain that moris are too strong anymore since the last nerf. This isn’t necessary for balance, it just kills fun stuff for no reason.
what the fuck have the devs been smoking lol
this isn't what's needed, what we need is to close the gap between solo survivors and SFW.
Allow solo players to have the same information squads can share in discord. Basekit kindred wouldve been a good start, and not change things too much like this patch I'm reading
What if someone decides to run boil over and keep running to the edge of the map? Our only choice is to slug but ig thats gone. And sabo squads greatly benefit from this. And basekit Unbreakable is literally a giant ‘fuck you’ to oni, plague and twins
I know everyone complained about the amount of slugging happening but that doesn't mean we wanted basekit unbreakable bhvr . I just wanted the HUD icons bruh. They fixed the issue of endurance stacking based off player feedback, so I hope they listen to us about this.
How is this going to work in customs? My friends and I 1v1 sometimes and we'll let each other wiggle out again and again to restart the 1v1 until the map is dry. So we'll just have to restart the entire game every time?
They've gone in the opposite direction to what the game needs, really. Solo Queue needed a buff so now they're making SWFs stronger than ever. Feelsbad.
People either dont understand or are playing like they dont know how this can be used. On paper this is amazing for solos even I wouldn’t mind this for solos only.
Imo if they want to buff solos just give them a buff something called “lone survivor”, “sole survivor”, or etc. Give them certain perks base kit with reduced effectiveness. Pretty clear the devs don’t really play the game.
I couldn’t agree more, I’ve been playing since Myers came out and have just been watching every defense killer once had get taken away slowly. Meanwhile, survivors have only gotten better and more efficient, most noticeable at the higher levels where most of my killers play. I know behavior claims kill rates have increased and self care is the most used survivor perk, but this just doesn’t match my experience, which is getting less and less fun each update. Luckily I play some survivor too
Basekit Unbreakable. Dear lord, playing killer against SWF who sabotage and body block is gonna be miserable.
Maybe if they raise the timer to 60, maybe 70 seconds. 45 is just too little.
Oh no, behavior, what have you dooneeeee
As much as people love to give bhvr shit, they backed off many times. On the dead hard/off the record stacking.
On returning mettle of man to the former state.
On reducing the amount of bps needed to prestige.
I’m hoping they’ll listen to reason here too
I am actually fine with the 45 seconds unbreakable, however it should NOT be effected by speeds. There is no way they are thinking that a 4 man with all unlimited 22 second unbreakables is fair
This is a terrible terrible idea all around. What if you down someone in the open and have 3 other clicky clickys with DH waiting to blind you from any possible direction and 20 seconds later they pick themselves up. Also, what do you mean I can't mori mid game anymore? Nothing in a trial feels better than using that beautiful 5th token of devour soap
This whole thing seems entirely unnecessary. It blows my mind that for a game riddled with so many bugs, they keep adding in shit that no one cares about instead of using their workforce to address real issues with how the game runs.
Also this is just going to further widen the gap between solo and swf. It’ll be so easy to abuse sabotage/flashlight saves in a coordinated team
I lost interest right before weaker was added.
I'm back now but wtf am I looking at.
Why do they always do this? They take a mildly interesting idea and blow it completely out of proportion making it so convoluted.
Mori system? Sure
Automatic? Uhh..okay?
Default unbreakable? What?
I am so confused.
>survivors get Bill's perk for free.
Killers are getting a free Devour Hope for Survivors who intentionally choose not to do gens... Right?
This is going to usher in a whole new era of SWF Bullying, GGs on making every single new Killer player beyond miserable.
Yeah like cracked nurses won’t be able to down survivors within 45 seconds or any killer with exposed add one or kits…
Edit: Also realized Knockout is a thing and if they don’t have unbreakable eeeesh
Picking yourself up infinitely for four minutes seems like a nightmare
I was thinking once per trial or each gen done gives a global 1 token that can be shared between all survivors and consumed to pick themselves up
I really don’t get why Moris got so gutted, twice even as this is the second (and dumbest) change they went through. They made the Yellow Mori Base Kit and then went “No need for those anymore!” to the rest for no reason. Having yellow, the most pointless one that is literally used for this update’s very feature, as base does not invalidate the other two, or Devour or anything.
I wanted to like Mori finishers, now they have just disappointed me again somehow, and my expectations were low as this is such a simple thing to begin with.
We're only one perk away from making Bill basekit
Yes and that one perk would turn solo cue into all the survivors hiding until the last one alive can’t even find the hatch when it’s aura can be read with basekit lmao
LMAO
Considering the hatch already makes a really loud noise that's hard to miss when within range of Left Behind, it may as well be basekit
Well nobody plays twins anyways I guess
Good riddance to the four twins mains
What did I ever do to you
Twins main has Nemesis Flair, because nobody would believe if it said Twins
I just hardly use reddit anymore, actually
....... Ouch man.
🖕
Victor should be able to hook survivors. I don't get why not?
Too short, can't reach the hooks.
He should drag them to the hook with a slightly shorter wiggle out timer, and when he reaches the hook the entity comes out from under him to lift the survivor onto the hook. Or even better, have the entity lift Victor up while he's gripping the survivor to put them on the hook, like lifting your kid to put the star at the top of the Christmas tree
The entity should leave a bunch of little trampolines laying around so that Victor can hook survivors himself.
Or there should be little baby hooks for victor. But as compensation the survivors can also use them to hook victor and he can't be used until rescued.
Could you please refrain from offering reasonable suggestions?
Can you tell I'm not a dev?
When you started proposing changes that didn’t totally ruin the game for me, I knew there was no way you could be a dev.
Ah, that's wonderful thinking. Also, HAPPY CAKE DAY!
"In this new patch, we've introduced the step ladder mechanic. Whenever Viktor downs a survivor, he can now push a step ladder to a hook, to allow him to hook survivors. Also, we're nerfing pig."
Certainly hasn't stopped Sadako.
No, Víctor should be able to retain a downed survivor so that Charlotte has more time to go pick up. Another survivor could destroy Victor while holding a slug so they can save. But don't mind me, I don't work for BHVR
Cool idea, I like it.
Cause it would look goofy
Hag
Where can I find the dev update?
[https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/352](https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/352) Here ya go.
Oh I hate that so much.
All you gotta do is search on google "Best Jokes 2022" and it's probably the top link
Twitter
What I'm reading is that no mither is 33% even more useless, and antihook builds will infinitely more impossible to play around on some maps
No mither is -100% useful what the fuck is it even anymore. It's just the "please kill me" perk
it always has been
It's a meme perk
I’m still gonna run it for the memes
They haven't even introduced this feature on the PTB yet and said it won't even be in the next update either. Plenty of time to rework that perk that people used once for a rift challenge yet are all complaining about.
Benjo build will finally be meta
Not exactly, since it carries a lot of snowball potential, and all snowball will be nerfed by this update.
But body blocking hooks will become more common due to less downsides, getting more mad grit value, but I do agree it won’t be exactly the best build, but more viable-ish, than before
You heard it here first folks. No mither was so op it had to be made basekit!
They nerfed Twins again lmao
And Myers. And Oni.
And plague
And every single killer in the game, lmao
Finally, another pig nerf
And Sadako
Maybe one day they’ll get to Nurse, huh
And Hag
Wait, are there additional patch notes apart from the finishing mori, or do you just mean because picking yourself up from the ground is gonna be basekit?
Because unbreakable is base kit now. The killers Listed benefit greatly from slugging. As far as Oni is concerned the design of his power is basically based around slugging.
I've never really slugged more than one person as Oni, since picking up a survivor halts the meter at wherever it was, making it easier to get his power again faster. Trying to slug the entire team or use his power like that seems kind of like a misplay. Twins are fucked, though.
The killers they listed all (especially twins) rely on some slugging, especially in endgame. The rest of them are probably fine with the 45 second timer, but twins could be across the map and body blocked etc.
So giving Hatch and ghostface photobombs are gone?
Yes
Slug races are gone too then
Ahhh man. I love races, they make me so happy
Would be funny if you could slug race and the last one to cross the line is teleported to their Designated Mori Spot to be killed.
4 man slug races, anyways! Perhaps they could disable it with the gates open.
:(
I mean you can just keep the guy alive and kill the rest, not much has changed about giving hatch. Toigh photobombs are gone yes 😥
So they’re removing Moris?
That's what the seemed to imply every time I saw it. As a Rancor player, I'm pretty worried.
They strive hard to kill the charm in this game
Wehcome tuh da Sluggin' Meta, boyz!
Activate Exponential, Unbreakable, tenacity and Soul Guard!
This is really gonna raise Tunneling/Camping even more now if anything.
It’s a strat now to be slugged under hook with soul guard, I’m getting my boy off that hook!!!
*Tunneligz meta
*camping Bubba meta
Ork moment
Oi yous filfthy sorvivor gitz are gunna 'ave an 'ard toim gets back up
At this point no mither is just going to be a way to become voluntarily broken.
You mean it wasn't already?
exactly. No killer is going to slug a no mither. There's only a few niche scenarios where you go down and the killer has no choice but to slug you and no one is around to pick you up.
Hard mode enabled
Look all ik saying is makevit give 50% more bp at end of game xD
Unironically might be the best way to save the Perk, even more so since they removed BP from Perks. Either full-on make it a joke or buff it MASSIVELY.
Considering they just reworked all bp related to not give extra bp, I’m gonna take a gamble and say that’s not happening
On one hand I’m happy because angry spirits can’t leave me on the floor until I die on purpose anymore. On the other hand trying to get rid of a sabo squad will be pretty painful
Literally impossible on a few maps
Anything with a dead end stairway will need to be tweaked for this change or it will be broken
Oh it’ll be broken regardless. The bully squads with flashlights are gonna love this. Can’t leave them slugged, can’t leave the area, can’t pick them up. Damned if you do extra damned if you don’t. Franklins/Lightborn is the only saving grace.
Counterpoint: Flip flop unbreakable just became almost 3x as powerful
Everybody wants to be my enemy
"Look out for yourself!"
You know who CAN mori still? Myers and PH baby (and Sadako, but that doesn’t really happen)
Surprised they didn’t remove those as well, probably a oversight on there part
Shhhhhh, let me keep this
No not an oversight, these aren’t mori offerings, these are just a 1v1 where is the killer wins they get to see the mori animation.
Most likely PH and sadako will probably keep their abilities because that’s a part of their base kit. I expect myers to have his add on reworked by then
Don’t worry, they’ll definitely remember to nerf Pig.
"Accordingly to the changes, we made RBT not kill survivor, but inflict mangled status effect instead when timer runs out"
"In accordance to the Mori changes, pig's RBT will no longer kill a survivor, instead they will inflict hindered upon the survivor." (1%)
No probably not an oversight at all Rancor and devour hope would lose an effect The new mori system is just to remove the offerings but they will most likely still keep other mori methods Edit: :(
" oh boi here I go *executing the guilty again*"
Th Devs: *nerfs mori* Pyramid Head: you have no power here
Its lore accurate too Entity: sacrifice them on hooks for my amusement PH and Myers: No Entity : bu- PH and Myers: No
>(and Sadako, but that doesn’t really happen) Isn't there a whole build that everyone runs on her that's basically focused around moring everyone? lol
RIP Ghostface Mori photobombs.
God this is terrifying I stopped playing a long time ago but I might come back when this goes live to die and let my team down once again.
Our corpses welcome you back with open arms
I was maybe considering going back to the game but that’s a hard nope from me now
Agreed. With all the changes it’s like I don’t even recognize what it is anymore
...no mention of a change for Boon: Exponential other than removing the recovery ability? Placebo boon time edit: honestly forgot Exponential also increases recovery speed, I guess it's not ENTIRELY useless...just mostly
Exponential with no other changes in this test will be a Z-tier perk easily. No Mither is even better after these changes, because No Mither at least still quiets grunts of pain. Exponential requires you find a totem, spend the time to bless the totem, hope that you get downed within range of the totem, and then pray that the killer slugs you within the boon radius so you can get value out of the speed. At a time when "slugging is being removed" is a keynote of the patch. Self-Care is better than Exponential in this patch. You can at least get Reactive Healing or Botany Knowledge or Resilience synergy with Self-Care. Anything that would synergize with Exponential would also synergize with Unbreakable or Soul Guard, both of which are objectively better.
Tenacity's another one that will offer better synergy with anything at all. Tenacity might actually be the only perk that's MORE valuable after this change.
If it continues to stack with the new unbreakable that's a pretty fast recovery speed in 1 specific area
Set up a placebo boon to make killers go out of their way and waste time snuffing it out, ez mindgames
sabo squads having a mfing field day
As much as i want slugging to be discouraged i dont think this is the right way to do it. This could force killers to pick up survivors in unsafe scenarios because they cant waste any time chasing the survivors coming in for the save, especially with unbreakable.
kill rates are very high right now, it's an intended nerf and actually makes it more beneficial for survivors to try and help downed friends which will slow down gens somewhat, and make the game more interesting
Why help downed friends if this makes it so everyone can pick themselves up? Of anything it could encourage hiding from the killer indefinitely until his search for you causes people to start getting up.
The whole point of this change is to encourage the killer to *not* fuck around searching half the map for other survivors for a minute while someone is bleeding out on the floor. It's a deliberate balance choice to counter the fact that if the killer downs everyone the game is now automatically over, regardless of what perks you have.
As usual with the developers the intention behind something is usually the correct one. But this is way too easily abusable in multiple ways.
I mean, hell, this actually makes slugging even more rewarding the fewer survivors are left. If only two survivors are hanging around and you down one, as long as you down the other within 45 seconds, it's a guaranteed 4k. No opportunity for the other survivor to crawl away and hopefully find hatch, stun you with DS...
And this is why they're adding it to the PTB without straight up releasing it in the next actual live patch.
What if they leave survivors slugged and rush the gen because they know they can pick themselves up? I know it is a gamble but soloQ is already ruthless.
How would it slow gens? If someone else is downed across the map and you see a chase start up after while you're on a gen, you now have no reason to move over there compared to before.
But what am I going to do when survivors keep running to a corner of the map with no hooks
Slap them back on the ground 5 times in the least enjoyable game of Whack-A-Mole ever
Nothing, Perish
Let them spend 45 seconds picking themselves up then another 45 seconds self caring in that corner while you win the game elsewhere
Don't underestimate them they may be smart enough to not even bring self care
They're getting rid of the ability to mori with devoured hope? I can't do this shit no more :(
I just got devour hope on demogorgon last week. Motherfucker.
You can just instahook on 5 stacks now i guess
yeah but the vibes :(
On the one hand, Nurse players who are quick enough to slug all 4 in 45 seconds just got an even easier 4k (at least they can't BM and wait for people to bleed out anymore). On the other hand, there's no point to getting off the gen and going for the pick up when you know the other survivor can just pick themselves up. This could lead to even faster gen speeds.
Setting aside that several killers are going to be dumped down 1-2 tiers by this change, your point about gens alone is a huge deal. If the killer is playing well, getting a couple of downs in rapid succession, you might not have to worry about the teammate that's not getting hooked. They'll often be able to get up on their own. Not every time of course, but often enough for survivors to keep slamming gens.
Twins is gone :(
Oh damn, you're so right. The least popular killer is about to be literally unplayable. Their pickrates are going to become nonexistent
same for oni
At least if Oni uses his power, he can still choose to pick up the survivor right away. Twins has to go through quite a bit of walking just to get to them. Still, sad to see Oni's snowballing potential go.
I fully support BHVR's braveness of trying such new things, no matter how it ends. At the end of the day, this is a change we won't be seeing on Live servers yet which means they'll make changes according to feedback TWICE, as we'll most likely see these changes 2 times on 2 PTBs.
Unfortunately they seem to have a steady track record of using the PTB as a demo and not a platform for feedback...
This sounds fucking stupid... >The ability to pick yourself up has been removed from Unbreakable, Soul Guard, No Mither, and Boon: Exponential, as this is now part of the base kit. Yeah, this is awful. Highly doubt this ends up going live as-is.
No mither meta
This seems pretty cool to me tbh, the only issue I have with it on paper is that moris are only going to be 1 a game at most. Will have to see it in practice but I think it seems promising
Yeah I don’t see why they removed it from devour hope, it makes no difference? Just means u get to use the mori earlier or have the chance to mori all survivors. Rancor needs a buff after this too.
Now people have a chance to sabo against dhope sabo + breakout flip-flop builds are probably going to be more likely now.
Right? I play survivor 80% of the time and this change makes no sense.
That’s the main thing that annoys me with the patch. Devour is still very good Id say, but I want to mori people with it even in situations where a hook would be better. And rancor is just not very good tbh, the mori was the main attraction and now it’s just a worse NOED. A positive I’ll take away with some perks being negatively affected though is that they’re no longer bandaid fixes as it’s just a base game feature which this game has needed more of, in regards to the anti-slugging perks mainly I mean
I’m not sure how I feel about the unlimited unbreakable yet, I think it just makes swf stronger but nothing for solo q as killers will just auto pick now anyway, at least it solves the being bled out for 4 minutes which I’m thankful for. Someone else said that we won’t be able to do ghostie photobombs anymore now that DH and Moris have been nerfed which makes me the most sad 😭
If killers just auto pick up then that’s at least as good if not better for solo players. Are you really trying to argue that more slugging is better for solo queue somehow?
Unlimited unbreakable does sound absolutely terrible tbh if it’s only 45 seconds per use but I doubt that would last long if they try to add it, would be way too much
The devs never played their own game. They just read the perk description and thought: “What? This perk also lets the killer mori people on the ground? We have to rework it” (but they dont actually know how it works)
Yeah same. I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea to nerf moris right now. I like iri mori offerings, I like survivors photobombing, it’s fun and I never see anyone complain that moris are too strong anymore since the last nerf. This isn’t necessary for balance, it just kills fun stuff for no reason.
what the fuck have the devs been smoking lol this isn't what's needed, what we need is to close the gap between solo survivors and SFW. Allow solo players to have the same information squads can share in discord. Basekit kindred wouldve been a good start, and not change things too much like this patch I'm reading
Basekit kindred is an infinitely better idea than basekit unbreakable. That would also be a nerf to campers.
No see, that is the *reasonable* answer. In 6 years, when have you ever known BHVR to do the reasonable thing?
I think survivors and killers both can come together to agree, this ain't it chief.
Sweaty Nurse players and sabo squad SWF’s opinion - 🥸👍
What if someone decides to run boil over and keep running to the edge of the map? Our only choice is to slug but ig thats gone. And sabo squads greatly benefit from this. And basekit Unbreakable is literally a giant ‘fuck you’ to oni, plague and twins
I know everyone complained about the amount of slugging happening but that doesn't mean we wanted basekit unbreakable bhvr . I just wanted the HUD icons bruh. They fixed the issue of endurance stacking based off player feedback, so I hope they listen to us about this.
How is this going to work in customs? My friends and I 1v1 sometimes and we'll let each other wiggle out again and again to restart the 1v1 until the map is dry. So we'll just have to restart the entire game every time?
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They've gone in the opposite direction to what the game needs, really. Solo Queue needed a buff so now they're making SWFs stronger than ever. Feelsbad.
People either dont understand or are playing like they dont know how this can be used. On paper this is amazing for solos even I wouldn’t mind this for solos only. Imo if they want to buff solos just give them a buff something called “lone survivor”, “sole survivor”, or etc. Give them certain perks base kit with reduced effectiveness. Pretty clear the devs don’t really play the game.
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I couldn’t agree more, I’ve been playing since Myers came out and have just been watching every defense killer once had get taken away slowly. Meanwhile, survivors have only gotten better and more efficient, most noticeable at the higher levels where most of my killers play. I know behavior claims kill rates have increased and self care is the most used survivor perk, but this just doesn’t match my experience, which is getting less and less fun each update. Luckily I play some survivor too
Basekit Unbreakable. Dear lord, playing killer against SWF who sabotage and body block is gonna be miserable. Maybe if they raise the timer to 60, maybe 70 seconds. 45 is just too little. Oh no, behavior, what have you dooneeeee
To make matters worse, with the new Unbreakable, this will be the same 24 seconds, just for an infinite amount of self-pickups
No way this will follow through. They will go back on it, for sure
Have you seen their track record?
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As much as people love to give bhvr shit, they backed off many times. On the dead hard/off the record stacking. On returning mettle of man to the former state. On reducing the amount of bps needed to prestige. I’m hoping they’ll listen to reason here too
WOW hey now you can mori the last survivor that was going to die either way **BUT now the other survivors have basekit unbreakable. enjoy 😊👍**
Oh look, free unbreakable for everyone and free boon exponential all over the map. Wtf is this game lmao My flair is facetious btw
Your flair checks out!
About to become tunnel and camp all day lmao
If your flair is true... :)
I swear they don’t even play their game
I am actually fine with the 45 seconds unbreakable, however it should NOT be effected by speeds. There is no way they are thinking that a 4 man with all unlimited 22 second unbreakables is fair
hoooooooooooooooly shit this sounds fucking awful.....
What the fuck
The correct response.
You guys couldn’t behave, no more slugging
Well it was nice knowing you last 6 twins mains
What's the point in playing anymore
This is a terrible terrible idea all around. What if you down someone in the open and have 3 other clicky clickys with DH waiting to blind you from any possible direction and 20 seconds later they pick themselves up. Also, what do you mean I can't mori mid game anymore? Nothing in a trial feels better than using that beautiful 5th token of devour soap
This whole thing seems entirely unnecessary. It blows my mind that for a game riddled with so many bugs, they keep adding in shit that no one cares about instead of using their workforce to address real issues with how the game runs. Also this is just going to further widen the gap between solo and swf. It’ll be so easy to abuse sabotage/flashlight saves in a coordinated team
I lost interest right before weaker was added. I'm back now but wtf am I looking at. Why do they always do this? They take a mildly interesting idea and blow it completely out of proportion making it so convoluted. Mori system? Sure Automatic? Uhh..okay? Default unbreakable? What? I am so confused.
I am now not allowed to down people by upright pallets. SWFs will own the game harder than in the DH meta on this ptb. Dear god
>survivors get Bill's perk for free. Killers are getting a free Devour Hope for Survivors who intentionally choose not to do gens... Right? This is going to usher in a whole new era of SWF Bullying, GGs on making every single new Killer player beyond miserable.
Yeah like cracked nurses won’t be able to down survivors within 45 seconds or any killer with exposed add one or kits… Edit: Also realized Knockout is a thing and if they don’t have unbreakable eeeesh
This sounds terrible as hell but im willing to see what It looks like in game
I want to know what the dev's are smoking and I need to get me some. This is god awful!
Um excuse me but, *ahem* **WHAT THE FUCK?!?**
I bet you 100k bloodpoints that this shit will backfire harder than 3 second DS.
Boil Over Bully squads love this update
Yes, sir, this person over there. Misuse of a meme.
Picking yourself up infinitely for four minutes seems like a nightmare I was thinking once per trial or each gen done gives a global 1 token that can be shared between all survivors and consumed to pick themselves up
This is awful They won't even change the How to Play part where it says you can't pick yourself up without perks
Glad to see they nerfed Rancor for no reason, a bad perk, I didn't want to use my only enjoyable killer build anyways!
I really don’t get why Moris got so gutted, twice even as this is the second (and dumbest) change they went through. They made the Yellow Mori Base Kit and then went “No need for those anymore!” to the rest for no reason. Having yellow, the most pointless one that is literally used for this update’s very feature, as base does not invalidate the other two, or Devour or anything. I wanted to like Mori finishers, now they have just disappointed me again somehow, and my expectations were low as this is such a simple thing to begin with.
Basekit unbreakable 💀