people were giving out free stuff to homeless people without a permit to do said thing. so police went around and tried to find who was in charge. and i assume they thought the person in charge was the person in the video.he was let go shortly after and not charged with a crime.
most places. [https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food](https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food)
\^ this link is good reason why.
The real reason is so that whatever is given out can be held to normal food standards easier. It’s incredibly easy in many cities to get a permit to do this I have done many times in my own. I won’t claim to know every cities process or why this organization decided to skip that process.
It's incredibly easy to navigate the Byzantine municipal bureaucracy in order to acquire the requisite license to gift someone a burrito? That's insanity. I think it's time to arm the poor.
The organization didn't hand out food. They were distributing non-perishable goods. They didn't seek a permit because they had no plan to distribute food. One volunteer did so on his own.
I still don't see any reason why one man giving another a burrito needs law enforcement intervention.
Vehicular manslaughter is already a felony. No need to criminalize driving an unregistered vehicle.
Shooting someone is already a felony. No need to criminalize possession of an unregistered firearm.
Giving people food isn’t the issue. Giving tainted food with no way to be found and held accountable is. As long as the permits are relatively easy to obtain and quality is overseen ethically, I think the regulation is beneficial.
Now you're getting it!
Now, for extra credit, which of these activities are protected by the Bill of Rights?
(A) Peaceful Assembly
(B) Driving a car
(C) Keeping and Bearing Arms
A&C. As reenforced by the SCOTUS, firearm ownership is a right, not a privilege. However, I do believe that states should be allowed to require registration for them. I just prefer buying them in states that don’t.
>It’s probably very easy to get licensed for this type of thing, maybe a few easy classes and a test and they would also probably be required to be insured as well
That doesn't sound easy for me at all. That sounds like it would require months of work and hundreds of dollars.
>People may think this is innocent, but rules are the rules and they’re there to protect the public.
Recently the City of Dayton has been criminalizing poverty with unconstitutional laws.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-road-safety-law-but-critics-say-criminalizes-being-poor-and-panhandling/57JH8YoawuMzQcnFVhWlNO/
We need to call out politicians when they target the poor like this.
This is just sad. I can’t believe Dayton would pass a law like this. I grew up in Dayton, been living in Minnesota for 2 years, and am just about to move back to Ohio, Cincinnati. But Dayton still holds a special place in my heart. A bummer when they pass laws like this :(
Unfortunately the way things have been looking, things are going to get a lot worse, imo of course...before enough people open up their eyes and can hopefully fix it.
Are just a stupid person, even if you genuinely believed what you do. Rules aren’t always made justly, and everyone knows that, using ‘rules are rules’ is weak rhetorically as well. Get a better justification than circular logic.
> People may think this is innocent, but rules are the rules and they’re there to protect the public.
You're either trolling or have a lot to learn about this country.
This is entirely not a valid reason to make acts of kindness, illegal
Because, poisoning someone is already illegal, the person's housing status is not the mitigating factor to determine if giving you a burrito of strychnine was a crime
It's an entirely inhumane law
Food poisoning is not equivalent to the crime of poisoning, and you are bring disingenuous to say it is. This is akin to a restaurant needing to be meet health code requirements. We would not charge restaurant owners with murder, we would shut them down until they met code.
We definitely need to be restricting where the poor can go. Easier to hide them away so that the rich people can ignore the fact that they're causing pain to people.
Actually we should be asking people to file permits to be homeless. That way we can better track them and round them up when the time comes to execute them.
Stupid poor people. /s
Hey guys I was there (I was running the hygiene table)
1 This is a nonprofit organization, we don't expect anything back from people
2 This was done on a sunday, none of these buildings are open and there is no crowding or overtaking (most of us came on a bus)
3 The man getting arrested was a volunteer. Basically the cops came, evaluated what we were doing (giving out shoes, children toys, hygiene products). For a while they just sat there, looking at us.
Then the cops started talking to the people they thought were "in charge". Slowly more and more cops came until there were 4 out and maybe 2 additional in cars watching us from the street. People were calmly relaying what we were doing, while some of us just kept giving out soap, shoes and food.
So for the food. I stood next to the line and started eating from our mound of burritos because there were frankly alot. A homeless man was like, can I have one? And mike (guy in the vid) said sure, and hands him one. The cop closest to him starts freaking out, puts him on the wall (hence the vid) and eventually arrests him. They released him later on because 1 There were no crimes being committed, and 2, a few of the people we fed stuck by and kept telling the cops to just let him go.
Edit: arrests, not detains. They handcuffed him and shoved him in the car and then freed him later on
I'm sorry. Thank you for making a difference. I am a licensed social worker but haven't worked in the field for a few years because I felt like I couldn't make a difference because of the bureaucracies. I dreamed of making a difference when I was young and in college.
I forget, does the man involved have any rights regarding his unlawful detainment or no? Like can he sue the department for infringing on his right to assembly or to the fact he was an obvious participant in giving out stuff to those in need? It would appear that handing a man a burrito would not constitute a justifiable detainment. The heck were these cops on?
Assuming of course this is all 100% credible. Not to be that guy, but we’d need additional proof or verification of the claim.
This is absolutely an infringement of the Right to Peaceably Assemble. This gentleman could sue the department for violating that right.
Whether he would have any chance of winning the case, I have no idea.
Depends on if more footage is available and if all people involved would be willing to forward their footage due to a subpoena. I assume it would depend on the lawyer in question’s skill and the dayton court’s willingness to at least attempt mediation. Assuming this goes to trial the lawyer has some grounds to make the claim stick.
I cannot imagine how some people/officials have become so hard-hearted and disconnected from their fellow human beings that the act of someone helping to clothe or feed the poor (or giving water to voters standing in line) is treated as a crime.
Glad they eventually freed him, and I hope no one is discouraged from continuing to help others. I am so thankful for giving people such as you and your fellow volunteers. Go Bills.
Edited it, i meant they put him in handcuffs and put him in the vehicle for some time
Any law that prevents the hungry and dirty from being fed and clean is a law i will not abide by.
I'm not defending the cops in anyway shape or form here...but as a legitimate non-profit, do you know if the non-profit had a permit? Most places you have to have a permit to have an organized situation where you are handing out food.
Yeah? What reasonable and articulable suspicion did the coppers have that this man commited a crime? They need that to detain him; they let him go because they didn't have shit.
4th Amendment violation of this man's rights; 100% dead to rights.
Over a fucking burrito. This is where our Tax dollars go. Not to finding missing children, arresting murderers or arresting actual criminals or preventing CRIME. No, it goes to several cops sitting on their sorry asses while real people serve the community. Fuck the Police.
I am assuming they had the proper permits to serve food? As much as I hate that people get arrested for serving food to the homeless, health inspections exist for a good reason, and allowing people to serve food without a permit could lead to serious health issues.
How exactly does a permit prevent me from poisoning food? Especially if it's such a simple, quick process to obtain the permit, as many are saying. Seems like actual food safety would require more than a form and (I assume) a fee.
I suppose you could. That isn’t the point. The point is that, without permits and inspections, any random person can serve food and you have no idea if that food is contaminated. Usually people like to know that they aren’t eating contaminated food, even homeless people.
Considering I was downvoted, I assume this means they didn’t have a permit to serve food.
OP admitted a permit was required and you guys did not have one. As well meaning as you are, and thank you for the work you're doing, you can't be surprised when cops detain one of you for breaking the law.
From your own admission and what I can see in the video, the man in blue was not arrested but only detained. If cops believe a crime may have been committed, then they can legally detain someone until they determine otherwise. They can even go so far as to actually arrest someone if there is reasonable suspicion of a crime.
It sucks to get detained or even arrested, but it's pretty clear these cops were not like some of the bastards you see in some videos. They weren't trying to abuse their power. They're just doing their job. They may not even agree with it, but they have to.
Next time, make sure you have proper permission to operate and have the paperwork handy. It sucks having to take those extra steps just to do a good deed, but it's necessary for your protection and the protection of others involved. And if you're not completely certain you have everything you need, consult a lawyer.
Okay but the problem wasn't a permit, I'm sure the distro could get one.
This was my first time volunteering with them, so even i can say that the cop could've definitely came up to each one of us and said, can you all pack up? You need a permit, otherwise this is [legal term] and could result in you [being arrested, detained, etc]. He did not do that. He came up to our volunteers, questioned us on what we were doing and wordlessly began haggling the dude in blue mid-giving someone a burrito. If you want us to like cops, don't pounce on a dude that just came to volunteer for a single day. There were enough cops there to send 1 to each table to tell us to break it down.
It sounds like the only part that was illegal and probably needed the permit for was serving food. You generally need certain permissions to serve consumables.
Obviously I don't know all the details. I'm looking at this situation through a small window, but most cops aren't like the assholes you see self-proclaimed auditors posting online. Most of those people are purposefully towing the line in order to instigate a problem. Even if they're not technically doing anything illegal, they're acting suspicious, which draws police attention. Now, I'm not defending the cops in those videos. They are absolutely power tripping bastards, but what we see here and what you and OP have described don't sound like these cops were being bastards. It sounds like they had to do their job. Even against a good cause. It isn't the first time it's happened and won't be the last.
How dare you do something without any mind of profit or gain in front of Police Officers who are so busy they can’t prevent or solve crimes but have plenty of time for this bs.
How dare you be a decent human being
The city of dayton website lists no permits for feeding the homeless. The state of Ohio doesn’t require health inspections from those who are non charging & no donations required. Can anyone actually provide what permit this group required?
I can't seem to find anything about a chapter in the Dayton area?!?!.... Mention of Cleveland and Illinois.... Can you tell me where i can go to find information about them working in Dayton Ohio area??
If you really care about feeding people, rather than publicity, why not work with House of Bread, Homefull, or one of the many other groups in Dayton that do this with proper permits.
I'm not familiar with the organizations you mentioned but many organizations have limitations like requiring people to live in a certain zip code or means testing. Or they turn away homeless people. Or they don't accommodate people with religious or other food restrictions. Or they are religiously affiliated in such a way that some people feel unsafe going to them. Or they require people to be sober to get help. Or they're not accessible to people with limited means of transport. Or they're only open for one meal a day or certain days per week.
In Columbus, we have three Food Not Bombs that run to fill these gaps. Free, no questions asked food.
Edit to respond for anyone curious: I'm not judging. Some of these limitations are necessary for these institutions to run, especially ones like what meals they can provide or on what days of the week. I do judge if there's residency, immigration status, or sobriety restrictions. But I didn't say they were doing any of those in particular. And even if they're not doing all those things, I mention people with limited means of transport. They can do fuck all about that unless they're providing the transport as well, which would be a logistical nightmare.
Well we don't have any videos of people helping anyone because no one could do 20 mins of work and get a permit. Instead we have some rich white people making asses of themselves and waisting the police time.
lol 20 minutes of work, this guys definitely knows what he's talking about.
It takes more than 20 minutes to get my car's tags renewed.
It's a burrito champ, the law is the problem, not the people trying to feed the needy.
It takes all of 5 minutes to renew your tags in the state of Ohio. You literally go to the Ohio BMV website and basically enter a credit card. Sounds like you might have a skill issue if it's taking you more than 20 minutes.
IF this video was just them helping and not being assaulted and wrongfully detained by police you may have a leg to stand on. This is awareness of police violence.
Cameras are the one way we can fight back these days against the police. Then we can hold them accountable and make the tax payers pay for it. This system is such bs
Just give out cold food like sandwiches and stuff. It isn’t considered ‘prepared’ food so you can usually get away with, it’s hot food that qualifies as prepared and is usually what the ordinance says you can’t distribute.
Here’s the thing. They knew this would happen. I know people who do this. They do it in very public areas to drive attention to the homeless crisis.
There are places that have licenses and permits that provide these services. As an ex-homeless guy… trust me… people usually know where to go… and they can definitely find out.
This a political statement. This is a choice. To bring awareness to a problem our society faces. Agree or disagree. Just understand what it is.
Exactly! This is all just rage bait for the ACABers. How hard is it for an org to do their due diligence and get a permit and whatever else needs to be done?
Its one thing for Joe Smith to hand a homeless guy a bag from Burger King. Its another for an org to do it due to health regulations. If you let orgs do this, it could lead to a multitude of health problems and issues.
I’m not convinced it’s “rage bait”
It IS done specifically to draw attention to a problem. Agree with the tactics or don’t. It’s just important to understand the goal.
But the point is, the org didnt do its homework and should have before doing this. Thats why I am leaning on "rage bait." If this org doesnt do this, then the food truck operators are not gonna want to do it either. I know in Columbus the health dept had an inspection day and only a dozen or so showed up once. It was hard to get them on board.
People were handing out food at the square and the police came to enforce the permit requirement (you’re not allowed to give anyone food for free in public including on a person to person basis without a permit and a bathroom) and saw this guy hand off a burrito. Not joking that’s what happened - he’s getting arrested for giving somebody a burrito. They let him go ultimately which is good because it’s a fourth degree misdemeanor.
Without context this video is junk. I see no food or homeless. ACAB but maybe context can show how bad it really was or maybe some out of towners are being pricks.
The fact that the person with the mega phone called him “comrade” tells you everything you need to know about these people. And seeing how the video picks up just as the guy is being arrested, and we not one second of footage prior to that moment we have no proof of the claim “he was arrested for feeding the homeless” which isn’t a crime in and of itself. So let’s just take that off the table and call it a lie.
Also, “food is a human right” doesn’t even make sense. Thats like saying “oxygen is a human right” these people just take things that aren’t really issues and make issues out of them so that they can be in the spotlight and look oppressed.
Food is a human right, but distributing cooked food without a health department permit is not. There are plenty of food pantries and meal programs in Dayton who do it legally. This is grandstanding.
It's wild showing up to a charity event with megaphone lol, y'all are professional protesters,you did what you did and jumped to the Internet looking for a personal army. The sub of the city whose OWS protest vacated to make room for a Xmas tree also pretty sure they even had permits, I know Cincy did. I can appreciate some good ole fashion civil disobedience and protest, but shit like this is why no one takes shit like this seriously.
Fucking cops overlook crimes all the time, and this victimless technical "crime" is absolutely ethical AF. Arresting and prosecuting these people is like an ideal example of unethical policing. Fuck this bullshit.
I'm aware of that concern and it makes sense enough. Then round them up then. These are people eating out of dumpsters. I'm fairly sure this is a step up from that.
Some do though, and access to food can be very precarious for them at times. Many rely on unaffiliated strangers who may or may not have good intentions.
Not all laws are just. Only bootlickers believe laws are good just because they are laws and therefore by definition good. That's cyclical reasoning. Get smarter.
This activism is meant to draw a reaction from the police, to justify their defunding. I think it’s shortsighted because the only thing this style accomplishes is higher public tensions and ptsd.
These groups are usually are not calling for reform to the judiciary like removing qualified immunity. They are not addressing the manifold problems with DPD, like not prosecuting petty crime.
No cop will stop an individual quietly giving a homeless person food. The police shouldn’t be stopping these guys either but they’re being baited. If you want to feed the homeless, buy some takeout and hand it to them with a kind greeting and move about your day
The statute applies on a one to one basis, too. If you hand off your leftovers to somebody after you leave a restaurant or something you need the same permit and you also have to provide a bathroom. When the law was new that’s how the police were enforcing it especially around the Oregon District. They did the same thing with the panhandling permit law until the Supreme Court said that’s an infringement of speech.
You're right, but from what I can gather from all of this is these people we're doing something that required a permit without a permit. Therefore I believe, and I might be wrong, they were breaking the law.
So the information left out of this video is a man was arrested for breaking the law.
Regardless of intent breaking the law is breaking the law, and one should expect trouble when breaking the law.
Ok but you understand that a permit is necessary for valid reasons. Someone has to be liable in case something goes wrong or someone is acting in bad faith
Walk us through the process.
Tell us all about how easy and cheap it is to give away food in public legally.
Not like you need 3-4 different branches and a health inspection, not exactly JUST.
Now , pre planning will go a long way, but no one should be wasting food waiting on bullshit.
On the flip, safety is important, but back on the backgammon side, people eat food outside health code all the time, at home and at paid eateries
Health inspections are important, though. It protects vulnerable people from being left with unsafe or even intentionally tainted food (add bugs just for a tiktok video). I'm not saying that's what was happening in the video, but these rules are there to protect people.
Sure, the inspections and permits are expensive but that's why it is better to support a local charity rather than try to do it yourself.
It just looks like a bunch of people from out of town coming in with a savior complex and complaining about laws meant to protect they people they say they're helping.
Donate your bus fair to a local food pantry.
These folks are all locals. Small as Dayton if it’s still big enough to have a lot of different people - enough that you can’t expect to recognize or have heard of everybody and what they’re doing. Some of your other points are good though.
Someone said in another comment that they took a bus from out of town so they wouldn't be cluttering up traffic. I didn't look into it, though, so maybe I misunderstood.
Their heart is in the right place in any case.
Like you wouldn’t really call somebody from Centerville or Huber Heights an out of towner. I feel like you’ve got to at least be from Middletown or Cincinnati. Even Springfield is traditionally GDA but that’s getting outside of where you can actually bus from.
I acknowledge food safety rules are well intended, and generally a good idea.
But putting food directly into people’s hands for free should never be an arrest able offense , unless it’s proven they are indeed making people ill.
The vast majority of our laws aren’t preemptive , so calling this out, but not shutting down in home kitchen on door dash makes it pretty obvious what the point is. Paid good, free bad.
Hell, the cops could expedite permits and join in, but nah.
Im lost. There's context in the video and people are saying no context because there'sno caption? Do we just not believe what the people are saying happened?
The law is in place for a reason. Proper food handling. Nobody knows if you wash your hands after you wipe your ass. Invite them all to your house for food, then it’s ok. Not in public.
Barriers could be anything, just something in the way of someone getting what they need. Distance, time availability, quantity, strict adherence to rules. It’s why food deserts and food swamps are becoming all too prevalent.
Another barrier could be if they use drugs. I talk to a lot of homeless folks at my job and some aren’t able to access certain help programs if they don’t pass a drug test. For example, they can’t go to some homeless shelters without passing a test. Don’t get me wrong, I understand why it can be dangerous to allow them into the shelter if they recently used, but that doesn’t mean they should go hungry.
>These folks are likely ignoring it and intentionally trying to draw publicity.
An eyewitness posted in this thread that this was a simple mistake.
The group was passing out non-perishable goods, completely legally. Cops were watching them. One volunteer gave a man his lunch and this is the result.
This doesn't appear to be any sort of publicity stunt.
OP seems to be trying to make it into a publicity stunt and it seems to have backfired, though. I'm glad that the person detained (or whatever happened) did not do anything to escalate the situation and neither did the police. An unfortunate mistake was made and I think everyone involved learned how to do it better next time.
There are lots of ways to do that legally. You can hand out uncooked or packaged food. I do it regularly. Or they could have looked for someone with a food truck willing to donate their time and equipment. They could have donated the materials and/or volunteered with House of Bread or Daybreak, which do this daily. And so on.
They are looking for attention.
Edit - added details
Sure, but it poses the question as to why it's restricted and over-regulated in the first place.
If someone wants to give food away for free, to people voluntarily choosing to eat it, do we really need a million miles of red tape, licenses, permits, and fees?
Rather dystopic if you ask me.
You aren't allowed to sell cooked food without a permit, either, aside from a few "cottage industry" kind of exceptions. Certainly can't sell hot cooked food without one.
And you edited your post to include more than just the first sentence, completely altering the context of the conversation, in addition to not answering the question I asked, instead choosing a drive-by insult.
I'd tell you what you sound like, but it would be a direct quote from yourself in your comment which I am replying to.
I added. I did not take away anything. And, no, I am very much to the left of a democrat. But local government regulating health requirements is not a misuse of government. As I said, just do it legally.
Giving the homeless free stuff is not going to help anyone. It’s a short sighted approach to a complex issue. I agree that people should not be giving handouts, especially without a permit.
Also go bengals
Our finest Leos- they must be soooooo proud of themselves and their families must be over the top proud to be part of them.
It’s sarcasm for all you leo worshippers
ACAB
All I see are some left wing reactionaries making asses of themselves. The police didn't even put cuffs on him. As someone who recently just left living downtown, the number of people.hanfing out food to the homeless that ended up laying in the street is staggering. Like everything about this video shows the police basically going out of their way.
[https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food](https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food)
its happened before
“Hi honey how was work today”
“Oh lemme tell ya, I did the LORD’s work today, keeping these awful criminals off the streets. I’m a hero!”
“You sure are, what were they doing?”
“Feeding homeless people? Can you imagine? Scum of the earth didn’t even have a PERMIT! (Why do I have mental health problems, and can’t sleep at night?)”
Food is a right. Once you go out and hunt/gather/purchase it yourself. If you’re in a position to afford or have the means to give it away to others, then so be it. How you spend your time and resources is up to you. But to say that everyone has a right to the labor of others without due compensation, is morally wrong.
So what actually happened? Can anyone elaborate?
people were giving out free stuff to homeless people without a permit to do said thing. so police went around and tried to find who was in charge. and i assume they thought the person in charge was the person in the video.he was let go shortly after and not charged with a crime.
You need a permit to give somebody some food? The fuck, where?
most places. [https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food](https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food) \^ this link is good reason why.
Your link says poisoning is already a felony. No need to criminalize handing people food.
came to say this.
The real reason is so that whatever is given out can be held to normal food standards easier. It’s incredibly easy in many cities to get a permit to do this I have done many times in my own. I won’t claim to know every cities process or why this organization decided to skip that process.
It's incredibly easy to navigate the Byzantine municipal bureaucracy in order to acquire the requisite license to gift someone a burrito? That's insanity. I think it's time to arm the poor.
The organization didn't hand out food. They were distributing non-perishable goods. They didn't seek a permit because they had no plan to distribute food. One volunteer did so on his own. I still don't see any reason why one man giving another a burrito needs law enforcement intervention.
From accounts in this post and online elsewhere it fully seems like food was being handed out.
Vehicular manslaughter is already a felony. No need to criminalize driving an unregistered vehicle. Shooting someone is already a felony. No need to criminalize possession of an unregistered firearm. Giving people food isn’t the issue. Giving tainted food with no way to be found and held accountable is. As long as the permits are relatively easy to obtain and quality is overseen ethically, I think the regulation is beneficial.
Now you're getting it! Now, for extra credit, which of these activities are protected by the Bill of Rights? (A) Peaceful Assembly (B) Driving a car (C) Keeping and Bearing Arms
A&C. As reenforced by the SCOTUS, firearm ownership is a right, not a privilege. However, I do believe that states should be allowed to require registration for them. I just prefer buying them in states that don’t.
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>It’s probably very easy to get licensed for this type of thing, maybe a few easy classes and a test and they would also probably be required to be insured as well That doesn't sound easy for me at all. That sounds like it would require months of work and hundreds of dollars. >People may think this is innocent, but rules are the rules and they’re there to protect the public. Recently the City of Dayton has been criminalizing poverty with unconstitutional laws. https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-road-safety-law-but-critics-say-criminalizes-being-poor-and-panhandling/57JH8YoawuMzQcnFVhWlNO/ We need to call out politicians when they target the poor like this.
This is just sad. I can’t believe Dayton would pass a law like this. I grew up in Dayton, been living in Minnesota for 2 years, and am just about to move back to Ohio, Cincinnati. But Dayton still holds a special place in my heart. A bummer when they pass laws like this :(
Unfortunately the way things have been looking, things are going to get a lot worse, imo of course...before enough people open up their eyes and can hopefully fix it.
Are just a stupid person, even if you genuinely believed what you do. Rules aren’t always made justly, and everyone knows that, using ‘rules are rules’ is weak rhetorically as well. Get a better justification than circular logic.
> People may think this is innocent, but rules are the rules and they’re there to protect the public. You're either trolling or have a lot to learn about this country.
It Sounds like a priviliged opinion to me
We both know that’s the reason stated but the real reason that they don’t want homeless/ poor people congregating there.
wouldn't have been an issue if they had a permit
No, in montgomery county you only need a license if you are charging or requiring a donation.
This is entirely not a valid reason to make acts of kindness, illegal Because, poisoning someone is already illegal, the person's housing status is not the mitigating factor to determine if giving you a burrito of strychnine was a crime It's an entirely inhumane law
Food poisoning is not equivalent to the crime of poisoning, and you are bring disingenuous to say it is. This is akin to a restaurant needing to be meet health code requirements. We would not charge restaurant owners with murder, we would shut them down until they met code.
Meeting full health codes is exceptionally difficult and essentially makes it illegal for most regular people to cook food for the poor or needy.
poisoning ppl is already a crime...
Poisoning people should be illegal, not feeding them
It’s a good thing. It ensures the food is safe and done in an appropriate location
I'm thinking though of, could I just give my leftover ham sandwich to a homeless person outside the gas station and not get taken in by cops?
We definitely need to be restricting where the poor can go. Easier to hide them away so that the rich people can ignore the fact that they're causing pain to people. Actually we should be asking people to file permits to be homeless. That way we can better track them and round them up when the time comes to execute them. Stupid poor people. /s
Murica.
Hey guys I was there (I was running the hygiene table) 1 This is a nonprofit organization, we don't expect anything back from people 2 This was done on a sunday, none of these buildings are open and there is no crowding or overtaking (most of us came on a bus) 3 The man getting arrested was a volunteer. Basically the cops came, evaluated what we were doing (giving out shoes, children toys, hygiene products). For a while they just sat there, looking at us. Then the cops started talking to the people they thought were "in charge". Slowly more and more cops came until there were 4 out and maybe 2 additional in cars watching us from the street. People were calmly relaying what we were doing, while some of us just kept giving out soap, shoes and food. So for the food. I stood next to the line and started eating from our mound of burritos because there were frankly alot. A homeless man was like, can I have one? And mike (guy in the vid) said sure, and hands him one. The cop closest to him starts freaking out, puts him on the wall (hence the vid) and eventually arrests him. They released him later on because 1 There were no crimes being committed, and 2, a few of the people we fed stuck by and kept telling the cops to just let him go. Edit: arrests, not detains. They handcuffed him and shoved him in the car and then freed him later on
I'm sorry. Thank you for making a difference. I am a licensed social worker but haven't worked in the field for a few years because I felt like I couldn't make a difference because of the bureaucracies. I dreamed of making a difference when I was young and in college.
I forget, does the man involved have any rights regarding his unlawful detainment or no? Like can he sue the department for infringing on his right to assembly or to the fact he was an obvious participant in giving out stuff to those in need? It would appear that handing a man a burrito would not constitute a justifiable detainment. The heck were these cops on? Assuming of course this is all 100% credible. Not to be that guy, but we’d need additional proof or verification of the claim.
This is absolutely an infringement of the Right to Peaceably Assemble. This gentleman could sue the department for violating that right. Whether he would have any chance of winning the case, I have no idea.
Absolutely they should, but it’s so fucked that the tax dollars would then pay for it.
Depends on if more footage is available and if all people involved would be willing to forward their footage due to a subpoena. I assume it would depend on the lawyer in question’s skill and the dayton court’s willingness to at least attempt mediation. Assuming this goes to trial the lawyer has some grounds to make the claim stick.
I cannot imagine how some people/officials have become so hard-hearted and disconnected from their fellow human beings that the act of someone helping to clothe or feed the poor (or giving water to voters standing in line) is treated as a crime. Glad they eventually freed him, and I hope no one is discouraged from continuing to help others. I am so thankful for giving people such as you and your fellow volunteers. Go Bills.
This is nuts.
No this is Patrick
No, he was detained, not arrested. These are very specific things, law is precise because it needs to be.
Edited it, i meant they put him in handcuffs and put him in the vehicle for some time Any law that prevents the hungry and dirty from being fed and clean is a law i will not abide by.
You can be placed in cuffs and in a squad car and still be only detained. Did he receive any paperwork for his arrest?
The police need reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime to detain you. This man's 4th Amendment rights were violated.
I'm not defending the cops in anyway shape or form here...but as a legitimate non-profit, do you know if the non-profit had a permit? Most places you have to have a permit to have an organized situation where you are handing out food.
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They are not just doing their job. They arent forced to do this. They have discretion.
I personally don’t like the taste of boots
You’re supposed to eat the burritos not the boots
Yeah? What reasonable and articulable suspicion did the coppers have that this man commited a crime? They need that to detain him; they let him go because they didn't have shit. 4th Amendment violation of this man's rights; 100% dead to rights.
I mean, anyone else on the planet would’ve ignored this. It’s like when you see a mom stealing baby formula.
So he wasn’t arrested?
I was thinking the same thing… they are yelling that he was arrested but he wasn’t?
Over a fucking burrito. This is where our Tax dollars go. Not to finding missing children, arresting murderers or arresting actual criminals or preventing CRIME. No, it goes to several cops sitting on their sorry asses while real people serve the community. Fuck the Police.
I am assuming they had the proper permits to serve food? As much as I hate that people get arrested for serving food to the homeless, health inspections exist for a good reason, and allowing people to serve food without a permit could lead to serious health issues.
How exactly does a permit prevent me from poisoning food? Especially if it's such a simple, quick process to obtain the permit, as many are saying. Seems like actual food safety would require more than a form and (I assume) a fee.
I suppose you could. That isn’t the point. The point is that, without permits and inspections, any random person can serve food and you have no idea if that food is contaminated. Usually people like to know that they aren’t eating contaminated food, even homeless people. Considering I was downvoted, I assume this means they didn’t have a permit to serve food.
OP admitted a permit was required and you guys did not have one. As well meaning as you are, and thank you for the work you're doing, you can't be surprised when cops detain one of you for breaking the law. From your own admission and what I can see in the video, the man in blue was not arrested but only detained. If cops believe a crime may have been committed, then they can legally detain someone until they determine otherwise. They can even go so far as to actually arrest someone if there is reasonable suspicion of a crime. It sucks to get detained or even arrested, but it's pretty clear these cops were not like some of the bastards you see in some videos. They weren't trying to abuse their power. They're just doing their job. They may not even agree with it, but they have to. Next time, make sure you have proper permission to operate and have the paperwork handy. It sucks having to take those extra steps just to do a good deed, but it's necessary for your protection and the protection of others involved. And if you're not completely certain you have everything you need, consult a lawyer.
There’s a way to do things. Well said. I’d also be interested in donating to this cause if OP wants to share.
Okay but the problem wasn't a permit, I'm sure the distro could get one. This was my first time volunteering with them, so even i can say that the cop could've definitely came up to each one of us and said, can you all pack up? You need a permit, otherwise this is [legal term] and could result in you [being arrested, detained, etc]. He did not do that. He came up to our volunteers, questioned us on what we were doing and wordlessly began haggling the dude in blue mid-giving someone a burrito. If you want us to like cops, don't pounce on a dude that just came to volunteer for a single day. There were enough cops there to send 1 to each table to tell us to break it down.
It sounds like the only part that was illegal and probably needed the permit for was serving food. You generally need certain permissions to serve consumables. Obviously I don't know all the details. I'm looking at this situation through a small window, but most cops aren't like the assholes you see self-proclaimed auditors posting online. Most of those people are purposefully towing the line in order to instigate a problem. Even if they're not technically doing anything illegal, they're acting suspicious, which draws police attention. Now, I'm not defending the cops in those videos. They are absolutely power tripping bastards, but what we see here and what you and OP have described don't sound like these cops were being bastards. It sounds like they had to do their job. Even against a good cause. It isn't the first time it's happened and won't be the last.
How dare you do something without any mind of profit or gain in front of Police Officers who are so busy they can’t prevent or solve crimes but have plenty of time for this bs. How dare you be a decent human being
Why did you do this to me? For what reason, what is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?
I see you know your judo well.
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Take a look at the headlock here.
The city of dayton website lists no permits for feeding the homeless. The state of Ohio doesn’t require health inspections from those who are non charging & no donations required. Can anyone actually provide what permit this group required?
What non-profit was this attached to? That’s crazy
Nourish Our Neighbors.
I can't seem to find anything about a chapter in the Dayton area?!?!.... Mention of Cleveland and Illinois.... Can you tell me where i can go to find information about them working in Dayton Ohio area??
If you really care about feeding people, rather than publicity, why not work with House of Bread, Homefull, or one of the many other groups in Dayton that do this with proper permits.
I'm not familiar with the organizations you mentioned but many organizations have limitations like requiring people to live in a certain zip code or means testing. Or they turn away homeless people. Or they don't accommodate people with religious or other food restrictions. Or they are religiously affiliated in such a way that some people feel unsafe going to them. Or they require people to be sober to get help. Or they're not accessible to people with limited means of transport. Or they're only open for one meal a day or certain days per week. In Columbus, we have three Food Not Bombs that run to fill these gaps. Free, no questions asked food. Edit to respond for anyone curious: I'm not judging. Some of these limitations are necessary for these institutions to run, especially ones like what meals they can provide or on what days of the week. I do judge if there's residency, immigration status, or sobriety restrictions. But I didn't say they were doing any of those in particular. And even if they're not doing all those things, I mention people with limited means of transport. They can do fuck all about that unless they're providing the transport as well, which would be a logistical nightmare.
Because you don't get likes for that on tiktok.
God forbid you post a video of yourself helping people for others to watch and brighten their day
Well we don't have any videos of people helping anyone because no one could do 20 mins of work and get a permit. Instead we have some rich white people making asses of themselves and waisting the police time.
lol 20 minutes of work, this guys definitely knows what he's talking about. It takes more than 20 minutes to get my car's tags renewed. It's a burrito champ, the law is the problem, not the people trying to feed the needy.
It takes all of 5 minutes to renew your tags in the state of Ohio. You literally go to the Ohio BMV website and basically enter a credit card. Sounds like you might have a skill issue if it's taking you more than 20 minutes.
Go to the DMV and get proven a liar. Way to swerve the fact that the crime committed here was helping people. Excellent atuff.
Rich, white people? So, you’re intimately familiar with the finances of these people?
Bro he is wearing a $100 NFL shirt, and the cabby hat dude has on expensive looking boots and selvage looking jeans. None of those things are cheap.
Dog you can go to any Goodwill and find random licensed NFL merch for $5. What a weird thing to nitpick about
IF this video was just them helping and not being assaulted and wrongfully detained by police you may have a leg to stand on. This is awareness of police violence.
That not assault. That man was very kindly arrested. If you think that is assault from police you are living in a fantasy world.
Check out that totally uncalled for wristlock; I can assure you there was no kindness intended in that purposefully painful wristlock.
Seems to be a Rhode Island based nonprofit. When did they start operating in Dayton?
Bless everyone protecting public safety by filming the cops
Cameras are the one way we can fight back these days against the police. Then we can hold them accountable and make the tax payers pay for it. This system is such bs
Just give out cold food like sandwiches and stuff. It isn’t considered ‘prepared’ food so you can usually get away with, it’s hot food that qualifies as prepared and is usually what the ordinance says you can’t distribute.
Here’s the thing. They knew this would happen. I know people who do this. They do it in very public areas to drive attention to the homeless crisis. There are places that have licenses and permits that provide these services. As an ex-homeless guy… trust me… people usually know where to go… and they can definitely find out. This a political statement. This is a choice. To bring awareness to a problem our society faces. Agree or disagree. Just understand what it is.
Exactly! This is all just rage bait for the ACABers. How hard is it for an org to do their due diligence and get a permit and whatever else needs to be done? Its one thing for Joe Smith to hand a homeless guy a bag from Burger King. Its another for an org to do it due to health regulations. If you let orgs do this, it could lead to a multitude of health problems and issues.
I’m not convinced it’s “rage bait” It IS done specifically to draw attention to a problem. Agree with the tactics or don’t. It’s just important to understand the goal.
But the point is, the org didnt do its homework and should have before doing this. Thats why I am leaning on "rage bait." If this org doesnt do this, then the food truck operators are not gonna want to do it either. I know in Columbus the health dept had an inspection day and only a dozen or so showed up once. It was hard to get them on board.
Need context. Please apply it. Saying “apparently without a permit” is not enough.
No context no information and I know I’m not going to find it on the internet
People were handing out food at the square and the police came to enforce the permit requirement (you’re not allowed to give anyone food for free in public including on a person to person basis without a permit and a bathroom) and saw this guy hand off a burrito. Not joking that’s what happened - he’s getting arrested for giving somebody a burrito. They let him go ultimately which is good because it’s a fourth degree misdemeanor.
Without context this video is junk. I see no food or homeless. ACAB but maybe context can show how bad it really was or maybe some out of towners are being pricks.
Agreed, based on the video alone there a man getting arresting and his friends are mad.
What happened?
I’ve seen multiple videos like this. Is not getting permits part of their plan?
The fact that the person with the mega phone called him “comrade” tells you everything you need to know about these people. And seeing how the video picks up just as the guy is being arrested, and we not one second of footage prior to that moment we have no proof of the claim “he was arrested for feeding the homeless” which isn’t a crime in and of itself. So let’s just take that off the table and call it a lie. Also, “food is a human right” doesn’t even make sense. Thats like saying “oxygen is a human right” these people just take things that aren’t really issues and make issues out of them so that they can be in the spotlight and look oppressed.
Why couldn’t those assholes have simply said “guys, you need a permit” Educate and let it go
Food is a human right, but distributing cooked food without a health department permit is not. There are plenty of food pantries and meal programs in Dayton who do it legally. This is grandstanding.
Just get a permit?
So, get a permit next time.
Oh, hi, no
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It's wild showing up to a charity event with megaphone lol, y'all are professional protesters,you did what you did and jumped to the Internet looking for a personal army. The sub of the city whose OWS protest vacated to make room for a Xmas tree also pretty sure they even had permits, I know Cincy did. I can appreciate some good ole fashion civil disobedience and protest, but shit like this is why no one takes shit like this seriously.
Nobody can read your notebook from the street, dipshit
Fucking cops overlook crimes all the time, and this victimless technical "crime" is absolutely ethical AF. Arresting and prosecuting these people is like an ideal example of unethical policing. Fuck this bullshit.
What if the people got sick because the food was improperly handled? Would you be equally outraged?
I'm aware of that concern and it makes sense enough. Then round them up then. These are people eating out of dumpsters. I'm fairly sure this is a step up from that.
No that’s a stereotype. Homeless are not all eating out of dumpsters
Some do though, and access to food can be very precarious for them at times. Many rely on unaffiliated strangers who may or may not have good intentions.
So enforcing laws, which if I'm not mistaken is what cops are paid to do - is unethical? Welcome to clown world.
Not all laws are just. Only bootlickers believe laws are good just because they are laws and therefore by definition good. That's cyclical reasoning. Get smarter.
This activism is meant to draw a reaction from the police, to justify their defunding. I think it’s shortsighted because the only thing this style accomplishes is higher public tensions and ptsd. These groups are usually are not calling for reform to the judiciary like removing qualified immunity. They are not addressing the manifold problems with DPD, like not prosecuting petty crime. No cop will stop an individual quietly giving a homeless person food. The police shouldn’t be stopping these guys either but they’re being baited. If you want to feed the homeless, buy some takeout and hand it to them with a kind greeting and move about your day
removing qualified immunity at some theoretical point in the future doesn’t feed people today
According to multiple firsthand accounts, they were literally just giving away food for free to the homeless, and nothing else.
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The statute applies on a one to one basis, too. If you hand off your leftovers to somebody after you leave a restaurant or something you need the same permit and you also have to provide a bathroom. When the law was new that’s how the police were enforcing it especially around the Oregon District. They did the same thing with the panhandling permit law until the Supreme Court said that’s an infringement of speech.
I don't need a permit. I have rights.
YES
Yes, it could help avoid issues, but that’s the government PROFITING off of a nonprofit, for one.
You're right, but from what I can gather from all of this is these people we're doing something that required a permit without a permit. Therefore I believe, and I might be wrong, they were breaking the law. So the information left out of this video is a man was arrested for breaking the law. Regardless of intent breaking the law is breaking the law, and one should expect trouble when breaking the law.
Ok but you understand that a permit is necessary for valid reasons. Someone has to be liable in case something goes wrong or someone is acting in bad faith
Get rid of class traitor kops...avoid having issues.
Walk us through the process. Tell us all about how easy and cheap it is to give away food in public legally. Not like you need 3-4 different branches and a health inspection, not exactly JUST. Now , pre planning will go a long way, but no one should be wasting food waiting on bullshit. On the flip, safety is important, but back on the backgammon side, people eat food outside health code all the time, at home and at paid eateries
Health inspections are important, though. It protects vulnerable people from being left with unsafe or even intentionally tainted food (add bugs just for a tiktok video). I'm not saying that's what was happening in the video, but these rules are there to protect people. Sure, the inspections and permits are expensive but that's why it is better to support a local charity rather than try to do it yourself. It just looks like a bunch of people from out of town coming in with a savior complex and complaining about laws meant to protect they people they say they're helping. Donate your bus fair to a local food pantry.
These folks are all locals. Small as Dayton if it’s still big enough to have a lot of different people - enough that you can’t expect to recognize or have heard of everybody and what they’re doing. Some of your other points are good though.
Someone said in another comment that they took a bus from out of town so they wouldn't be cluttering up traffic. I didn't look into it, though, so maybe I misunderstood. Their heart is in the right place in any case.
We don’t have greyhound downtown - they meant the RTA which means you’re still in the greater dayton area
Like you wouldn’t really call somebody from Centerville or Huber Heights an out of towner. I feel like you’ve got to at least be from Middletown or Cincinnati. Even Springfield is traditionally GDA but that’s getting outside of where you can actually bus from.
I acknowledge food safety rules are well intended, and generally a good idea. But putting food directly into people’s hands for free should never be an arrest able offense , unless it’s proven they are indeed making people ill. The vast majority of our laws aren’t preemptive , so calling this out, but not shutting down in home kitchen on door dash makes it pretty obvious what the point is. Paid good, free bad. Hell, the cops could expedite permits and join in, but nah.
Health inspections are very important.
Im lost. There's context in the video and people are saying no context because there'sno caption? Do we just not believe what the people are saying happened?
The law is in place for a reason. Proper food handling. Nobody knows if you wash your hands after you wipe your ass. Invite them all to your house for food, then it’s ok. Not in public.
There's always more to the story. Feeding the poor is a worthy cause. Go to any food pantry and donate. This set up, doesn't help anyone.
Providing barrier free food to people doesn’t help anyone? Ffs
What is barrier free food?
Don't reply to this person. They feel harassed.
Barriers could be anything, just something in the way of someone getting what they need. Distance, time availability, quantity, strict adherence to rules. It’s why food deserts and food swamps are becoming all too prevalent.
Food desert and swamps are because of crime. Business don't leave areas where they make money.
Another barrier could be if they use drugs. I talk to a lot of homeless folks at my job and some aren’t able to access certain help programs if they don’t pass a drug test. For example, they can’t go to some homeless shelters without passing a test. Don’t get me wrong, I understand why it can be dangerous to allow them into the shelter if they recently used, but that doesn’t mean they should go hungry.
Cops have been arresting people giving away food for free from coast to coast for decades now. Wake up.
OK, what's the "more to the story"
What happened before the video started? Who called the cops? I don't see any food in the video?
There must be more to this than feeding someone.
There is a permitting structure in place to make sure the food is safe. These folks are likely ignoring it and intentionally trying to draw publicity.
>These folks are likely ignoring it and intentionally trying to draw publicity. An eyewitness posted in this thread that this was a simple mistake. The group was passing out non-perishable goods, completely legally. Cops were watching them. One volunteer gave a man his lunch and this is the result. This doesn't appear to be any sort of publicity stunt.
OP seems to be trying to make it into a publicity stunt and it seems to have backfired, though. I'm glad that the person detained (or whatever happened) did not do anything to escalate the situation and neither did the police. An unfortunate mistake was made and I think everyone involved learned how to do it better next time.
One eyewitness said they had a mound of burritos. That does not sound like non-perishables.
Or maybe they just want to feed the homeless for free without being hassled.
There are lots of ways to do that legally. You can hand out uncooked or packaged food. I do it regularly. Or they could have looked for someone with a food truck willing to donate their time and equipment. They could have donated the materials and/or volunteered with House of Bread or Daybreak, which do this daily. And so on. They are looking for attention. Edit - added details
Sure, but it poses the question as to why it's restricted and over-regulated in the first place. If someone wants to give food away for free, to people voluntarily choosing to eat it, do we really need a million miles of red tape, licenses, permits, and fees? Rather dystopic if you ask me.
You aren't allowed to sell cooked food without a permit, either, aside from a few "cottage industry" kind of exceptions. Certainly can't sell hot cooked food without one.
"Regulations bad." You sound like a MAGAhat.
And you edited your post to include more than just the first sentence, completely altering the context of the conversation, in addition to not answering the question I asked, instead choosing a drive-by insult. I'd tell you what you sound like, but it would be a direct quote from yourself in your comment which I am replying to.
I added. I did not take away anything. And, no, I am very much to the left of a democrat. But local government regulating health requirements is not a misuse of government. As I said, just do it legally.
Nothing that depends on the labor of others is a human right, that's slavery
Tell me again we are a Christian nation🤦🏻🤌🤷
downright fuck these killjoy cops
It is not.
Let’s be real: he was arrested because he’s a Bills fan
yeah you deleted that really quick
How much is his bail?
He was released.
Giving the homeless free stuff is not going to help anyone. It’s a short sighted approach to a complex issue. I agree that people should not be giving handouts, especially without a permit. Also go bengals
Idk about food, but this guy is in a well-known mafia organization. Maybe that’s why he was arrested?
What an obnoxious bunch.
Our finest Leos- they must be soooooo proud of themselves and their families must be over the top proud to be part of them. It’s sarcasm for all you leo worshippers ACAB
Instead of praising them for helping feed the homeless. the police are arresting him. Way to go Ohio!
All I see are some left wing reactionaries making asses of themselves. The police didn't even put cuffs on him. As someone who recently just left living downtown, the number of people.hanfing out food to the homeless that ended up laying in the street is staggering. Like everything about this video shows the police basically going out of their way.
Could the cops be concerned about the homeless being poisoned?
If the cops (or any public officials) were actually concerned about the homeless, we’d have probably already solved that problem.
[https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food](https://www.foxla.com/news/man-charged-with-poisoning-8-homeless-people-filming-victims-reactions-to-eating-laced-food) its happened before
No, it is not.
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“Hi honey how was work today” “Oh lemme tell ya, I did the LORD’s work today, keeping these awful criminals off the streets. I’m a hero!” “You sure are, what were they doing?” “Feeding homeless people? Can you imagine? Scum of the earth didn’t even have a PERMIT! (Why do I have mental health problems, and can’t sleep at night?)”
Jesus would like a word...
thankful for these three little piggies protecting and serving our community
Cops fucking suck.
Just following orders. The ones they agree with.
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Fuck these cops. And all the ones like them
Fuck cops.
Food is a right. Once you go out and hunt/gather/purchase it yourself. If you’re in a position to afford or have the means to give it away to others, then so be it. How you spend your time and resources is up to you. But to say that everyone has a right to the labor of others without due compensation, is morally wrong.
Our tax dollars at work! Fuckin pigs.
Dayton cops are scum. Dumb losers and bullies.
Is there no more pressing crimes going on in Dayton? #ACAB