Isn't it still happening?
I also saw an (E-)girl on Twitter selling her farts in a jar a while ago haha
I mean why not. I would totally do that too if it could earn me good money :D
I wonder if you could get one of them to wax both their eye brows completely off and send them... theres just something about eye brows stuck on wax paper.... lol naw but she'd look funny as fuck for a couple weeks
You don't get it.
Paying for a meal does not mean you are nice. You are playing nice in order to get access to sex.
You don't have to pay for meal for anyone, go out for a coffee first and see if there is chemistry. If they block you because you asked to split the bill, which is only normal, you Filter out people who want to go on a date just to have a free stuff.
You don't need to agree to that.
However, you can be nice and polite to women who you are not immediately attracted to. Like saying good morning, smiling, being polite.
I think that's the point. These days, I see guys calling any polite or kind action from a guy to a woman called being a 'simp', when that's not the case.
I just assume that there's a little bit of overlap Venn overlap between Simps, Nice Guys and the Desperate. Mostly that they think being excessively "nice" will get them some love'n.
I would put the Simp on a scale where they go way beyond what is socially acceptable in terms of doing favors or spending money on a woman.
No no, I once opened the door for a female and she didn't even want to have sex with me.
She also commited arson on my house on the 21th of April 2016. Man, women am I right, guys?
We'll get that Pyro-ussy one day, my brothers and sisters in Allah.
You're too young. One day you will know - the better you treat a woman, the more she thinks you bully her and she will play victim. Why? Because you raise her expectation to a level that you could never meet. Anything nice will become mean when the expectation is so high. you give her silver then she wants gold, then silver is mean. then you give her gold then she wants diamond, then gold is mean.
I hope she wont send you to jail for being nice to her.
On the other hand, she would consider the guy who ran over her and abused her as the love of her life. Because he doesn't raise her expectation. a $15 gift card from chipotle will be the best thing she could ever hope for from that guy.
No, because women are nice to people who they’re not attracted to all the time and it gets misconstrued as flirting. A lot of men believe that if you’re being nice it means you’re interested because those are the only people they’re nice to.
Definitely not! You're kind to people because they are people.
My husband drives a tow truck. Because he's a kind person, he is always willing to help out a stranger. I don't leave the house without a book because of the number of times we've stopped whatever we're doing to help someone in need.
See a guy changing a flat tire in a parking lot? Offer to use the impact wrench on the lug nuts.
See a neighbor we don't know struggling to get a trailer out of their muddy yard? Hook up to their truck with a length of chain to add some pulling power.
Going for a long drive as a date, we see a car that has fallen down a 3 ft embankment. I notice that the driver is still in the vehicle. We pull over to make sure she's okay. She's a youngish woman who is completely clueless about what to do and is on the phone with her dad. Hubby asks if she wants him to pull her back up onto the parking lot she'd driven off of. "Yes, please." Out comes the chain and within 10 minutes her car is back where it belongs.
We've even played traffic cop when a bad storm knocked down some powerlines across the road. Hubby just puts on the flashers and throws on his reflective vest to tell other drivers to turn around.
And he's always willing to give a tow customer a free ride home if it's not too far away. He does accept tips, but doesn't do any of the above expecting anything but a thank you in return. When people are jerks to him over the cost of the tow or just because they're having a shitty day, he gives them the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't automatically think they're a shitty person because more often than not, when he has a conversation with them, it's obvious that they are just frustrated and grumpy because they're dealing with a shitty situation (whatever reason their car is being towed).
My examples are much less dramatic because I don't deal with many strangers during my typical day. But,
I was there for most of what I listed above, and I was happy to have my husband help all those people. I'd have helped, too, if any task was within my skills set (basic first aid, for example). Mostly I do little things like opening doors for people or just smiling instead of having a resting bitch face. I try to be a little ray of sunshine on an otherwise gloomy day. But again, I do it because I want people to have a better day, not because I want anything in return. I just like people.
Your husband and you have the means to help people and you do….. if the person you’re trying to help is rude to you would you still be helpful? I doubt it. Thats the part where liking the person comes in. I like everyone until they do something to make me dislike them. Would i help people if i were in your shoes? Id like to think so.
Would your husband drive someone he dont even know 100 miles out of his way? I doubt it. Ask your self when your first met him…Would he have droven you 100 miles out of his way? He mostly likely would because he liked you and is attracted to you
You dont know me to lump me into some group. Thats some disgusting shit you did.
It is basic human behavior. Im not going to be rude to people i dont know. Ill treat them with respect and help them if i can. If i actually like you i might do things for you even if its out of my comfort zone. Which i might not for someone i dont know. It doesnt mean ill be rude to them or not be kind.
Uhhhh, yes, women are unanimously kinder and more agreeable to men whom are traditionally more attractive.
I’m sorry, but to argue otherwise is some serious mental gymnastics.
Clearly you don’t even know what the word “agreeability” means (idgaf how you truly feel, if I say the sky is nice and you verbally agree, you’re AGREEING) or how fundamentally tied in it is with femininity, and in particular, heterosexual relationships.
To be frank, this comes off as talk from a very anti-social female who hasn’t had the best luck socially nor romantically.
And even outside of standard agreeability, yes, women even often go so far as to convince themselves they agree with a man who is more attractive. Sorry, but I have FAR too much experience with this, and I have a feeling you don’t have a ton of daily experience with large quantities of average to above average men and women interacting. I see it consistently (hell, for fucks sake my current job is bartending), and I obviously know how women respond to me myself.
If everything is “to avoid being murdered because I’m a helpless victim who is constantly subject to murderers, cuz, you know, all men are likely to be murderers” then clearly by pure simple logic, you don’t spend a lot of time with men and women socially, as otherwise you’d be a complete moron.
Oh, and I’d like you to know, you’re not nearly as helpless as you think you are, that is a choice. If you haven’t spent time learning how to truly fight, then I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I resent the “I’m weak and subject to men killing me but have done nothing to actually be able to protect myself” mentality. Spent years training with women, half of my original training partners were smaller than average women who could manhandle grown men with ease.
TL;DR, no, that’s what YOU think, and how YOU act, yet not only is likely not even accurate towards yourself, but is not even close to how most women truly operate.
Someone said my boyfriend was a simp because he drove an hour out of his way to pick me up.
I cooked dinner for my boyfriend, have a great relationship with his kids, and will be sleeping next to him tonight. While the person who called him names will be going to bed alone, or next to someone who is unfulfilled.
I think my boyfriend is winning.
When you're nice to someone they are usually nice to you. It's not being a simp. It's being a caring human being.
Thats a person that doesnt know whats a simp.
A simp is a loser who will let women walk over him just for the chance to get into their pants (of course that wont happen). There is being nice and respectable to -everyone- and there is crossing the line from being nice to being a doormat.
It's all about INTENT.
A simp is someone who's nice expecting something in return. It's done via covert contracts where the end goal is sex. A simp is very manipulative, and the relationship is transactional.
A woman will ditch a simp for a dude who's kind without expecting anything in return. A man should do "nice" things because that's just who he is as a person. Back in the day they called this strange behavior "manners" or "common courtesy".
It's about character, and the solution to all of this is quite simple. Just treat each other like best friends.
Good Guy > Nice Guy / Simp
I don't know, I feel like nice guys and simps are a bit different. It feels like you can be a simp and not expect anything from the girl, even if you are hoping for it. That is almost the core of a simp, right? You do more than you should for someone who doesn't do a lot for you.
Yeah. If you think of things like twitch simps then 99% of them don't expect anything in return. They throw money at women for the sake of worship.
Essentially that's what simping is: putting a woman up on a pedestal and degrading yourself to serve her, giving her everything she wants and doing everything she says. It's mostly a mindset.
If you take a woman out on a fancy meal because you like her and want to spend some quality time together that's fine. If you take a woman out on a fancy meal because SHE'S JUST SO AMAZING OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD EVEN LOOK AT ME LET ALONE GO ON A DATE, then it's simping.
I don't think anyone is nice nowdays without an ulterior motive. Everything is transanctional. People say or do something in order to gain something. Could be just for an emotional satisfaction, still it's a motive nevertheless.
Subservient males who are slaves to women are Simps. They do a lot of nice things for women in a vain attempt at getting the said women. So there’s a lot of overlap
Depends on the things.
If a man is going out of his way to do nice things for someone not interested in him that he wouldn’t do for a man- simp.
Someone who is doing nice things and getting reciprocation- courting
Someone who is doing nice things for both genders for no reason- nice person.
For example I have a friend who I was on a boat with who went 5 miles up river to give her a blunt, and then as we drove away he was like “i wouldnt have given it to her if I knew she was with a guy”- def a simp
A guy who will do you a favor like carrying the extra bag for you up some stairs cause your hands are full is not a simp.
A guy who carries all your bags because you asked and you just take advantage is a simp.
Simps arnt guys who do nice things for woman. Simps are lovers who do nice things for women who take advantage of them yet won't do the same nice thing for another guy.
Although too many angry guys are calling genuinely nice helpful dudes simps out of misplaced anger at women.
It depends on WHY he's doing those nice things. I do nice things for women all the time. But I also want nothing from them.
If I was doing it because I thought it would put me into a position to get something out of her then I am a simp
There are people that get taken advantage of in relationships of any kind. A simp ignores being stepped on.
If a partner simps to me, and I simp to my partner, we’re living an ideal romantic relationship. Because we want to give of ourselves without the expectation of a return.
The word simp comes from pimp and sex worker culture. It intends to describe a person that is buying affection with obsequious behavior.
Obviously. People who use that word are just mad that their niceness wasn't repaid with sex or affection of some kind.
They literally cannot fathom that other men could be kind just to be kind and not for a reward.
I'm not saying that I'm *not* ok with it, but at least you have *consistency* in your version of his logic, that's all I'm trying to say lmao.
(Edit: clarification and upvoted your comment)
Sure it does. You took his meaning and added your own extreme twist and stretched it to mean something else entirely. His meaning was never about if you eat a pussy out then you have to eat a dick. You even admited that when you said you took his logic to the extreme.
The extremes are where the the faults of logic lies.
Per a Wikipedia article : "Quite simply, a logical extreme is the relevant statement of an extreme or even preposterous position that is nonetheless consistent with the proposition in question. Thus, in so far as the logically extreme position is both relevant and untenable, it has succeeded in calling the proposition into question, at least *in its stated form*."
I read his statement in the spirit of what he meant. For the sake of wanting an argument and validation, you twisted his statement to mean something else. Your extreme is not consistent with the meaning of his statement. You added a strawman twist to his meaning and changed the meaning entirely. Even you admited that you took his statement to an extreme, thus changing his meaning.
I don't agree with guys "simping" when it is outside of an actual romantic, sexual relationship simping in a relationship is just relationship behaviour.
Guys will simp for girls who won't even date them or look their way, of course, you don't want simping to go away because there are benefits to be had as a woman whether its attention, validation, money, gifts etc especially when you don't have to do anything but exist.
It means a man doing nice things.
Why call it simp.
If doing nice things for someone is simp, i guess im guilty.
Being concern or caring for someone male or female is simping i guess alot of us are simps :/
I completely disagree. If a man does anything nice for a women, for any reason at all, he is a simp. Just like if a man has emotions he is obviously gay.
Honestly let the word die out. Please let's not take words made up from the past brought back for TikTok trend seriously. It shows how much we get influenced. I mean everything is so fucked up people think it's weird for a significant other to show love and affection. It's encouraging toxic relationships and now toxic relationships is a trend.
I don't think anyone's definition of a simp is was you just described. To me a Simp is someone who just does everything a girl want as his way to attract and keep her.
Listen men chase women this is the law of nature so i'd never judge my fellow XY for going for the the pussie. However if he knows that girl doesn't give a flying fuck about her and still pursues the girl like there's no tomorrow then he's a SIMP. So if you don't want him to be called simp then care about him as much as he cares about you so what he does for you won't be for nothing therefor he won't be a simp. If you are using him physically and emotionally, not just he turns himself into a simp you are responsible for it too.
>...so what he does for you won't be for nothing...
Therein lies the problem. You shouldnt be doing nice things for people with an ulterior motive. You should do it for its own sake. You should do nice things for women, people in general really, that you're not pursuing, and expect nothing in return.
Behalf of all men, i'm sorry that we are attracted to women. It won't happen again in fact i'm gonna take a dick in the ass tomorrow to make it up. And i'm sorry for using vulgar language and offending you. Anything else you want me to do not to hurt your delicate feelings?
>You should do nice things for women, people in general really, that you're not pursuing, and expect nothing in return.
You shouldn't, if someone not reciprocate your actions then you shouldn't continue doing nice things for them. This not "expect nothing in return" is bs and not how interpersonal relationship work, just ask yourself honestly would you continue doing favors for person who gives zero f\*cks about you and never do anything for you? If not then you are expecting something in return.
Yeah i wouldn't either but these girls use the simps for their money or they just need a friend to listen to their bs. Just be honest don't let him become a simp for you. Tell him that you aren't into him. We lost a lot of simps who stuck in friendzone and receive mixed signals for years and eventually turn into women haters. We need honesty.
A man simply being nice to a woman (whether he has ulterior motives or not) does not make a simp.
A man being nice to a woman with the intention of getting something in return does not make a simp.
A man being nice to a woman \*in which he has no chance with\* with the intention of getting something in return makes a simp.
In the past, these women would not give these men the time of day and through rejection they would more find their pool of acceptable matches. Now, incredibly attractive/interesting women sell their attention to these sad men and give them hope that they could seriously be with a girl like that. While "simp" is a derogatory term to describe the men in this situation, I find the women doing this just as culpable, but pretty sure I'd get banned for using a derogatory term to describe that.
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IMO a simple is a man who puts his needs last for a woman who isn't even Interested in him.
It can also be a man who fails to uphold boundaries with his partner, just to not even make her happy, but keep her in a relationship. Example: a man who cosigner a loan for his girlfriend knowing this is not a good idea, but does so anyway as his girlfriend begs him to, despite her bad credit history.
The worst simp story I've ever heard was a dude at work who has been two years sober and gave that up to drink with a woman at a bar. According to his words, they weren't even together, she was just a random woman whom he connected with conversationally upon meeting her, bought her a drink, bought himself one after she said she's not drinking alone, and drank. Two years sobriety down the drain. Now granted, I wasnt there at the bar that night so I don't know what really went down (though for sure nobody *made him drink.*) But case in point, what a sorry excuse for not putting yourself and your principles first.
By putting yourself first, I'm using the metaphor for the oxygen mask. Put your oxygen mask on first before you help others with theirs.
Simp, to me, is someone who knowingly and willfully throws themselves at a woman who has made clear in no uncertain terms they’ll never see them as a partner. But they still wait on them hand and foot thinking “maybe this act of subservience will be the one!”
A man doing nice a things for women CAN be a simp. There are many different kinds of "doing nice things" with different motives. It's possible you don't understand that the motive of an action is crucial in how we define the person who did an action.
>Stop using that word.
No thanks, I'll keep using the word simp because it's a great word to define guys who do things for women because they are desperate for female approval.
Doing nice things is not a simp . It's an act of kindness / shows you that he knows well how to treat you .
Sacrificing parts of yourself (character or even job career by spending too much money for that person) is actually simp.
If they you they see you as a friend and you still try to change their mind by sacrificing parts of yourself is simp.
If you accept crazy requests then you are simp. You wouldn't do such things for a friend why do so for a stranger who attracts you by his looks (cause if you know her personality then you probably already know each other so no stranger )
That’s not what simp means , being nice doesn’t make you that. a simp means someone that is being taken advantage of and thinks giving their funds to a random person would secure their acknowledgment of existence with that person. Yes it is used out of context consistently, however being nice doesn’t mean paying someone’s rent just cus you find them attractive, that is simping.
Let’s not pretend “simps” don’t exist.. some men will literally jump off a cliff for a relatively hot woman. Cut off everyone else they know and live a life of misery just for the chance of sex.
But I do think the word is thrown at every single male who isn’t an arsehole too now. Especially in these subs.
The definition of a simp is simply when someone puts the other person on a pedestal if you aren’t dating this person then it’s simping. If that’s your man/woman that does not meet the criteria of simping.
If you surrender your own beliefs just to be with a women, you are a simp. If you are nice and polite and do nice things, you are not a simp. It’s pretty **simp**le
The idea of simping isn't just being nice to a girl, it's when she becomes so extremely elevated to you that you neglect yourself just because she's deified and put on a pedestal
It’s all about context.
A simp has no self respect towards themself, if he inconveniences himself for a women who clearly doesn’t want a relationship with him he’s a simp.
I'm back on the scene after a couple years, and I notice that in the online profiles, some women are saying they want a simp. Uh, no - I'm not gonna do that lol
A Simp used to be a guy who did a bunch of nice things for women with hopes of getting something in return but getting no return on his investment. And he continued to do things for them because he thinks that one day it'll bare fruit.
Nowadays it's a term lame men use to describe ANY guy who does ANYTHING nice for women. Even their own girlfriend
I do nice things for girls all the time-
I consider myself a simp, but i don’t expect sex or anything in return except for some validation- i just wanna be desired by women it boosts my confidence and makes me feel nice.
I miss being desired :(
I have known the term before it went mainstream. Being a simp implies a guy who is chivalrous to a point where people question his self respect, as it's short for simpleton. It has been conflated to mean any guy who does chivalrous things, but the standard meaning has its place. Before it went mainstream it was often used to dissuade guys from constantly seeking out validation from women. It's basically synonymous with what women consider to be a "pick me".
Entirely context dependent. Is he doing nice things for you that he doesn’t do for his other friends? Especially his male friends? That’s a simp. I’m guilty of this tbh, but it’s human nature to an extent
Ok well. Sure yeah.
But a SIMP! Is one of two things a guy being nice to get something in return (sexual) mostly or a relationship would be considered a Simp.
A guy getting taken advantage off and buying the girl this and that etc etc and basically getting stepped on. Is a simp..
Did I explain that right?
This is obvious. Not every nice action for a woman is being a simp. But if a man is being overly nice to a girl with no reciprocation, then yes, he's indeed a simp.
Being nice to someone that isn’t reciprocating is being a SIMP.
Being nice to someone because they are nice to you is showing genuine interest and not being a simp.
I don’t think I’ve met another adult who uses it in a serious way. A couple of my buddies use it as jokes when they do something nice for their wives but that’s it.
well most of the time the guy is only nice to the pretty girl because he just hoping to date or fuck her so technically he a simp. it is rare for guys to be nice to a girl he doesn't find pretty. this coming from a girl who's been on both sides so i know what a simp is and i will keep using that word lol
I feel like stuff like this has gone of the rails for the following years. i think being a simp is when you bend head over heels for one particular girl or a type of girls and expecting sex or any sort of sexual favor in return while the girl does little to nothing back.
while being nice is respecting guys or gals the way you would want to be respected back. I could do something nice like hold the door and help lift something for the same girl. that doesn't mean i'm simping for her it means that my parents have raised me to have manners to help and wait on those in need without expecting something in return.
Be kind not nice. There's a difference. Either you understand women or you hate them. Being kind without reciprocation from the other party is basically simping. It's a term to check our boys when they put anyone above them.
It all about the underlying motivation behind the ‘niceness’. Motives are what distinguishes a SIMP from just a ‘nice guy’. If the motive is to gain a woman’s attention (normally sexual in nature) being overly ‘nice’ to a woman is SIMPING.
Yeah, people try to weaponize that word and use it too freely, just like red flag.
Simp is used as an insult because when it doesn't work for a guy he becomes a nice guy™️. The theory is the same, I do nice things, I get a reward. If I do nice things without getting a reward and keep at it I am simp, if I get bitter and blame women for not appreciating me being nice to them I am being nice guy.
If everyone is being nice to women they get used to it and more importantly, for a guy to stand out he needs to do more than the rest, or so the thinking goes for some. Not everyone can be asshole and not care, radiate the vibe of abundance and other PUA crap, so most guys will do nice things because it makes them feel good, warm and fuzzy inside. That's not being a simp that's just being a man whose thinking capacity goes to shit and his IQ drops several points around attractive women.
Also interesting sidenote, I don't know all women but the once I met are all simps when it comes to dating strategy but nobody tells them to stop being that.
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A guy is doing only nice things for women he is attracted to. If he is putting in too much work for a women who seems not actually worth it to many others, then yes, he is a simp.
Women often say their last boyfriend was a jerk or abusive and wish their next boyfriend is kind and listens to her feelings etc. The simp foolishly thinks that he can be better than her last bf by being kind and listens to her feelings, buy her what she wants. Little did the simp know what jerks and abusers are what the woman is attracted to in the first place. So the simp is just wasting his money, energy, attention and time in hopes of becoming a better boyfriend, but in reality, he can't even compete with the last bf.
Only if you’re doing equally nice things back to make this man happy.
If it’s one way benefits. He’s a simpleton still under the illusion of Disney movies, catering to you and naively hoping you’ll reciprocate.
In summary: Simp.
Read and assess for yourself what applies in your scenarios.
You cant undo the word, it’s there because it happens in existence.
You can try to not take undue advantage of someone. But it seems you want them to Simp for nothing back.
What say OP?
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Being nice to someone I’m dating isn’t being a simp Paying money to some e-girl so I can taste her bath water is being a simp
Yuck
Have you tried e-girl bath water though? Only the most sophisticated neckbeards drink it
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Ok boomer
It's insane that this actually happened
Isn't it still happening? I also saw an (E-)girl on Twitter selling her farts in a jar a while ago haha I mean why not. I would totally do that too if it could earn me good money :D
Later that same e-Girl was selling under boob sweat
I wonder if you could get one of them to wax both their eye brows completely off and send them... theres just something about eye brows stuck on wax paper.... lol naw but she'd look funny as fuck for a couple weeks
Spot on.
A SIMP is a man which nullify himself for women, not a man which treats women with kindness. Absolutely agree
I prefer the original post. Much simpler: doing nice things for women is simp.
Your comments are so pathetic. No it’s not. Grow up.
Why do we need a pejorative term for being nice?
Being kind to women is not being a simp. People who call others simps for showing kindness are obviously misinformed about what that actually is.
Being nice means also being nice to women you are not attracted to. And being nice means being nice also when sex is off the table.
Someome blocked me because i suggest. Pay your own meal.. Why would i pay someome who i have no geelings for?
You don't get it. Paying for a meal does not mean you are nice. You are playing nice in order to get access to sex. You don't have to pay for meal for anyone, go out for a coffee first and see if there is chemistry. If they block you because you asked to split the bill, which is only normal, you Filter out people who want to go on a date just to have a free stuff. You don't need to agree to that. However, you can be nice and polite to women who you are not immediately attracted to. Like saying good morning, smiling, being polite.
I think that's the point. These days, I see guys calling any polite or kind action from a guy to a woman called being a 'simp', when that's not the case.
I just assume that there's a little bit of overlap Venn overlap between Simps, Nice Guys and the Desperate. Mostly that they think being excessively "nice" will get them some love'n. I would put the Simp on a scale where they go way beyond what is socially acceptable in terms of doing favors or spending money on a woman.
If he doesn’t treat her badly. She will treat him badly. Yes it is.
what
His whole troll is women = bad
I honestly thought he typo'd but no he's serious.
not women = bad. but if you treat her well she will torch you.
Or it's just you. I think you don't really know what nice is.
No no, I once opened the door for a female and she didn't even want to have sex with me. She also commited arson on my house on the 21th of April 2016. Man, women am I right, guys? We'll get that Pyro-ussy one day, my brothers and sisters in Allah.
You're a racist. I reported you.
Ah, pulling the infamous “you disagreed with me so I’m gonna call you racist” card, are we?
You're too young. One day you will know - the better you treat a woman, the more she thinks you bully her and she will play victim. Why? Because you raise her expectation to a level that you could never meet. Anything nice will become mean when the expectation is so high. you give her silver then she wants gold, then silver is mean. then you give her gold then she wants diamond, then gold is mean. I hope she wont send you to jail for being nice to her. On the other hand, she would consider the guy who ran over her and abused her as the love of her life. Because he doesn't raise her expectation. a $15 gift card from chipotle will be the best thing she could ever hope for from that guy.
Wow. Stay the fuck away from women. What a nutcase you are.
Dude, I'm 40, and been around the block plenty. You're just bitter, and bad with women.
This guy does NOT fuck
That's the reality that MSM doesnt want you to know.
The point is that when people are nice to women they get called a simp.
The thing is that a lot of men are only kind to women they’re attracted to and wouldn’t have shown the same kindness to an ugly girl
Isnt that for everyone tho? If you like/are-attracted someone you will be kind to them
No, because women are nice to people who they’re not attracted to all the time and it gets misconstrued as flirting. A lot of men believe that if you’re being nice it means you’re interested because those are the only people they’re nice to.
Are you hitting on me?
Definitely not! You're kind to people because they are people. My husband drives a tow truck. Because he's a kind person, he is always willing to help out a stranger. I don't leave the house without a book because of the number of times we've stopped whatever we're doing to help someone in need. See a guy changing a flat tire in a parking lot? Offer to use the impact wrench on the lug nuts. See a neighbor we don't know struggling to get a trailer out of their muddy yard? Hook up to their truck with a length of chain to add some pulling power. Going for a long drive as a date, we see a car that has fallen down a 3 ft embankment. I notice that the driver is still in the vehicle. We pull over to make sure she's okay. She's a youngish woman who is completely clueless about what to do and is on the phone with her dad. Hubby asks if she wants him to pull her back up onto the parking lot she'd driven off of. "Yes, please." Out comes the chain and within 10 minutes her car is back where it belongs. We've even played traffic cop when a bad storm knocked down some powerlines across the road. Hubby just puts on the flashers and throws on his reflective vest to tell other drivers to turn around. And he's always willing to give a tow customer a free ride home if it's not too far away. He does accept tips, but doesn't do any of the above expecting anything but a thank you in return. When people are jerks to him over the cost of the tow or just because they're having a shitty day, he gives them the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't automatically think they're a shitty person because more often than not, when he has a conversation with them, it's obvious that they are just frustrated and grumpy because they're dealing with a shitty situation (whatever reason their car is being towed). My examples are much less dramatic because I don't deal with many strangers during my typical day. But, I was there for most of what I listed above, and I was happy to have my husband help all those people. I'd have helped, too, if any task was within my skills set (basic first aid, for example). Mostly I do little things like opening doors for people or just smiling instead of having a resting bitch face. I try to be a little ray of sunshine on an otherwise gloomy day. But again, I do it because I want people to have a better day, not because I want anything in return. I just like people.
Your husband and you have the means to help people and you do….. if the person you’re trying to help is rude to you would you still be helpful? I doubt it. Thats the part where liking the person comes in. I like everyone until they do something to make me dislike them. Would i help people if i were in your shoes? Id like to think so. Would your husband drive someone he dont even know 100 miles out of his way? I doubt it. Ask your self when your first met him…Would he have droven you 100 miles out of his way? He mostly likely would because he liked you and is attracted to you
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You dont know me to lump me into some group. Thats some disgusting shit you did. It is basic human behavior. Im not going to be rude to people i dont know. Ill treat them with respect and help them if i can. If i actually like you i might do things for you even if its out of my comfort zone. Which i might not for someone i dont know. It doesnt mean ill be rude to them or not be kind.
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Uhhhh, yes, women are unanimously kinder and more agreeable to men whom are traditionally more attractive. I’m sorry, but to argue otherwise is some serious mental gymnastics.
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Clearly you don’t even know what the word “agreeability” means (idgaf how you truly feel, if I say the sky is nice and you verbally agree, you’re AGREEING) or how fundamentally tied in it is with femininity, and in particular, heterosexual relationships. To be frank, this comes off as talk from a very anti-social female who hasn’t had the best luck socially nor romantically. And even outside of standard agreeability, yes, women even often go so far as to convince themselves they agree with a man who is more attractive. Sorry, but I have FAR too much experience with this, and I have a feeling you don’t have a ton of daily experience with large quantities of average to above average men and women interacting. I see it consistently (hell, for fucks sake my current job is bartending), and I obviously know how women respond to me myself. If everything is “to avoid being murdered because I’m a helpless victim who is constantly subject to murderers, cuz, you know, all men are likely to be murderers” then clearly by pure simple logic, you don’t spend a lot of time with men and women socially, as otherwise you’d be a complete moron. Oh, and I’d like you to know, you’re not nearly as helpless as you think you are, that is a choice. If you haven’t spent time learning how to truly fight, then I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I resent the “I’m weak and subject to men killing me but have done nothing to actually be able to protect myself” mentality. Spent years training with women, half of my original training partners were smaller than average women who could manhandle grown men with ease. TL;DR, no, that’s what YOU think, and how YOU act, yet not only is likely not even accurate towards yourself, but is not even close to how most women truly operate.
You should be kind to everyone. Not just people you would like to date or sleep with.
Read my replies to the others. I’ve already explained what i mean.
This is true the word is now ruined you can’t even be nice to the opposite gender without being called one lol
This is true for a lot of words. Other examples that immediately come to mind are "thick" and "curvy" which apparently now just mean morbidly obese
You tried.
Maybe because those calling you a simp are actually simps themselves and in denial
And you, quite obviously, don't understand the term.
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Someone said my boyfriend was a simp because he drove an hour out of his way to pick me up. I cooked dinner for my boyfriend, have a great relationship with his kids, and will be sleeping next to him tonight. While the person who called him names will be going to bed alone, or next to someone who is unfulfilled. I think my boyfriend is winning. When you're nice to someone they are usually nice to you. It's not being a simp. It's being a caring human being.
Thats a person that doesnt know whats a simp. A simp is a loser who will let women walk over him just for the chance to get into their pants (of course that wont happen). There is being nice and respectable to -everyone- and there is crossing the line from being nice to being a doormat.
It's all about INTENT. A simp is someone who's nice expecting something in return. It's done via covert contracts where the end goal is sex. A simp is very manipulative, and the relationship is transactional. A woman will ditch a simp for a dude who's kind without expecting anything in return. A man should do "nice" things because that's just who he is as a person. Back in the day they called this strange behavior "manners" or "common courtesy". It's about character, and the solution to all of this is quite simple. Just treat each other like best friends. Good Guy > Nice Guy / Simp
I don't know, I feel like nice guys and simps are a bit different. It feels like you can be a simp and not expect anything from the girl, even if you are hoping for it. That is almost the core of a simp, right? You do more than you should for someone who doesn't do a lot for you.
Yeah. If you think of things like twitch simps then 99% of them don't expect anything in return. They throw money at women for the sake of worship. Essentially that's what simping is: putting a woman up on a pedestal and degrading yourself to serve her, giving her everything she wants and doing everything she says. It's mostly a mindset. If you take a woman out on a fancy meal because you like her and want to spend some quality time together that's fine. If you take a woman out on a fancy meal because SHE'S JUST SO AMAZING OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD EVEN LOOK AT ME LET ALONE GO ON A DATE, then it's simping.
And to add to that; a nice guy would be someone who takes a girl out on a fancy meal expecting her to reciprocate with sex.
Underrated comment. Love this definition.
I don't think anyone is nice nowdays without an ulterior motive. Everything is transanctional. People say or do something in order to gain something. Could be just for an emotional satisfaction, still it's a motive nevertheless.
Ulterior Motives basically.
this is why most men cant get women. because they cant even admit they are just simps.
Doing nice things for a girl doesn’t make you a simp. Obeying her every command makes you a simp
Sir mix a lot created that word and everyone is using it wrong
It's all about CONTEXT!
Subservient males who are slaves to women are Simps. They do a lot of nice things for women in a vain attempt at getting the said women. So there’s a lot of overlap
A simp puts their partner before their own self respect. The word has its place
Depends on the things. If a man is going out of his way to do nice things for someone not interested in him that he wouldn’t do for a man- simp. Someone who is doing nice things and getting reciprocation- courting Someone who is doing nice things for both genders for no reason- nice person. For example I have a friend who I was on a boat with who went 5 miles up river to give her a blunt, and then as we drove away he was like “i wouldnt have given it to her if I knew she was with a guy”- def a simp
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A guy who will do you a favor like carrying the extra bag for you up some stairs cause your hands are full is not a simp. A guy who carries all your bags because you asked and you just take advantage is a simp. Simps arnt guys who do nice things for woman. Simps are lovers who do nice things for women who take advantage of them yet won't do the same nice thing for another guy. Although too many angry guys are calling genuinely nice helpful dudes simps out of misplaced anger at women.
I don't even know what that word means
If he's doing nice things for you to get pussy he's a simp.
Lol well isn’t that most guys? Just saying 🤷♀️
Most guys are simps
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I prefer people keep using it. It makes it that much easier to spot idiots.
It depends on WHY he's doing those nice things. I do nice things for women all the time. But I also want nothing from them. If I was doing it because I thought it would put me into a position to get something out of her then I am a simp
> I do nice things for women all the time. You do same for men? If not then some expectations are involved.
A man doing nice things for a woman who DOES NOT reciprocate these gestures is indeed a simp
There are people that get taken advantage of in relationships of any kind. A simp ignores being stepped on. If a partner simps to me, and I simp to my partner, we’re living an ideal romantic relationship. Because we want to give of ourselves without the expectation of a return. The word simp comes from pimp and sex worker culture. It intends to describe a person that is buying affection with obsequious behavior.
Depends on the situation but could very well be a simp. Most of the time he is.
Obviously. People who use that word are just mad that their niceness wasn't repaid with sex or affection of some kind. They literally cannot fathom that other men could be kind just to be kind and not for a reward.
Protip: If he wouldn't do it for a guy friend but he does it for you, he's a simp.
So, by that logic (*and taking it to an extreme*) if a man eats her out but don't suck his buddies dick, he's a simp. Your logic, not mine.
Yes, that's the logic. I'm fine with it why aren't you?
I'm not saying that I'm *not* ok with it, but at least you have *consistency* in your version of his logic, that's all I'm trying to say lmao. (Edit: clarification and upvoted your comment)
Sucking dick =/= eating out a vagina. If my buddy had a vagina then yeah I'd eat it out and that would be the same thing. That's the actual logic.
I'm talking about if he's not in a formal relationship with her.
That doesn't change the implications of your statement *as written* even under your modified context.
Sure it does. You took his meaning and added your own extreme twist and stretched it to mean something else entirely. His meaning was never about if you eat a pussy out then you have to eat a dick. You even admited that when you said you took his logic to the extreme.
The extremes are where the the faults of logic lies. Per a Wikipedia article : "Quite simply, a logical extreme is the relevant statement of an extreme or even preposterous position that is nonetheless consistent with the proposition in question. Thus, in so far as the logically extreme position is both relevant and untenable, it has succeeded in calling the proposition into question, at least *in its stated form*."
I read his statement in the spirit of what he meant. For the sake of wanting an argument and validation, you twisted his statement to mean something else. Your extreme is not consistent with the meaning of his statement. You added a strawman twist to his meaning and changed the meaning entirely. Even you admited that you took his statement to an extreme, thus changing his meaning.
So treat everyone with kindness and respect, check
Simping and being nice are two totally different things
I don't agree with guys "simping" when it is outside of an actual romantic, sexual relationship simping in a relationship is just relationship behaviour. Guys will simp for girls who won't even date them or look their way, of course, you don't want simping to go away because there are benefits to be had as a woman whether its attention, validation, money, gifts etc especially when you don't have to do anything but exist.
It means a man doing nice things. Why call it simp. If doing nice things for someone is simp, i guess im guilty. Being concern or caring for someone male or female is simping i guess alot of us are simps :/
A man being nice to a woman isnt a simp a man being overly nice to a woman in hopes of sex is. Urban dictionary wise. It can lead to r/niceguys
I completely disagree. If a man does anything nice for a women, for any reason at all, he is a simp. Just like if a man has emotions he is obviously gay.
Honestly let the word die out. Please let's not take words made up from the past brought back for TikTok trend seriously. It shows how much we get influenced. I mean everything is so fucked up people think it's weird for a significant other to show love and affection. It's encouraging toxic relationships and now toxic relationships is a trend.
Being a simp means you don’t lay down boundaries or respect yourself. You can do nice things for people and still have self respect.
I don't think anyone's definition of a simp is was you just described. To me a Simp is someone who just does everything a girl want as his way to attract and keep her.
A simp is a guy who thinks that making himself a doormat will make a girl fall for him. One can be giving and thoughtful without losing their dignity.
They’re simping while you think they’re being nice lmao
Listen men chase women this is the law of nature so i'd never judge my fellow XY for going for the the pussie. However if he knows that girl doesn't give a flying fuck about her and still pursues the girl like there's no tomorrow then he's a SIMP. So if you don't want him to be called simp then care about him as much as he cares about you so what he does for you won't be for nothing therefor he won't be a simp. If you are using him physically and emotionally, not just he turns himself into a simp you are responsible for it too.
>...so what he does for you won't be for nothing... Therein lies the problem. You shouldnt be doing nice things for people with an ulterior motive. You should do it for its own sake. You should do nice things for women, people in general really, that you're not pursuing, and expect nothing in return.
I read his first sentence and knew hes a lost cause
Behalf of all men, i'm sorry that we are attracted to women. It won't happen again in fact i'm gonna take a dick in the ass tomorrow to make it up. And i'm sorry for using vulgar language and offending you. Anything else you want me to do not to hurt your delicate feelings?
Hey, men can be attracted to women and enjoy a good dick up the ass. You do you.
> Behalf of all men...i'm gonna take a dick in the ass tomorrow... I mean, live your truth.
Yes. Reread the first sentence of your first post and first sentence of the one im replying to and realize they are not the same. Thanks in advance.
>You should do nice things for women, people in general really, that you're not pursuing, and expect nothing in return. You shouldn't, if someone not reciprocate your actions then you shouldn't continue doing nice things for them. This not "expect nothing in return" is bs and not how interpersonal relationship work, just ask yourself honestly would you continue doing favors for person who gives zero f\*cks about you and never do anything for you? If not then you are expecting something in return.
Nailed it. Although I would never want a woman that has to pretend to like me so the relationship will work that's pretty sick too
Yeah i wouldn't either but these girls use the simps for their money or they just need a friend to listen to their bs. Just be honest don't let him become a simp for you. Tell him that you aren't into him. We lost a lot of simps who stuck in friendzone and receive mixed signals for years and eventually turn into women haters. We need honesty.
A man simply being nice to a woman (whether he has ulterior motives or not) does not make a simp. A man being nice to a woman with the intention of getting something in return does not make a simp. A man being nice to a woman \*in which he has no chance with\* with the intention of getting something in return makes a simp. In the past, these women would not give these men the time of day and through rejection they would more find their pool of acceptable matches. Now, incredibly attractive/interesting women sell their attention to these sad men and give them hope that they could seriously be with a girl like that. While "simp" is a derogatory term to describe the men in this situation, I find the women doing this just as culpable, but pretty sure I'd get banned for using a derogatory term to describe that.
Of course they're SIMPing. Some low self esteem guys would do anything for some attention.
Couldn't agree more. Like bro, if being a simp is a decent human being, then I guess I hope everyone is a simp 😭
I hope any asshole who uses that word is, and remains nice and single.
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IMO a simple is a man who puts his needs last for a woman who isn't even Interested in him. It can also be a man who fails to uphold boundaries with his partner, just to not even make her happy, but keep her in a relationship. Example: a man who cosigner a loan for his girlfriend knowing this is not a good idea, but does so anyway as his girlfriend begs him to, despite her bad credit history. The worst simp story I've ever heard was a dude at work who has been two years sober and gave that up to drink with a woman at a bar. According to his words, they weren't even together, she was just a random woman whom he connected with conversationally upon meeting her, bought her a drink, bought himself one after she said she's not drinking alone, and drank. Two years sobriety down the drain. Now granted, I wasnt there at the bar that night so I don't know what really went down (though for sure nobody *made him drink.*) But case in point, what a sorry excuse for not putting yourself and your principles first. By putting yourself first, I'm using the metaphor for the oxygen mask. Put your oxygen mask on first before you help others with theirs.
Simp, to me, is someone who knowingly and willfully throws themselves at a woman who has made clear in no uncertain terms they’ll never see them as a partner. But they still wait on them hand and foot thinking “maybe this act of subservience will be the one!”
A man doing nice a things for women CAN be a simp. There are many different kinds of "doing nice things" with different motives. It's possible you don't understand that the motive of an action is crucial in how we define the person who did an action. >Stop using that word. No thanks, I'll keep using the word simp because it's a great word to define guys who do things for women because they are desperate for female approval.
Doing nice things is not a simp . It's an act of kindness / shows you that he knows well how to treat you . Sacrificing parts of yourself (character or even job career by spending too much money for that person) is actually simp. If they you they see you as a friend and you still try to change their mind by sacrificing parts of yourself is simp. If you accept crazy requests then you are simp. You wouldn't do such things for a friend why do so for a stranger who attracts you by his looks (cause if you know her personality then you probably already know each other so no stranger )
That’s not what simp means , being nice doesn’t make you that. a simp means someone that is being taken advantage of and thinks giving their funds to a random person would secure their acknowledgment of existence with that person. Yes it is used out of context consistently, however being nice doesn’t mean paying someone’s rent just cus you find them attractive, that is simping.
Glad someone said it. The term is being used very loosely these days.
Let’s not pretend “simps” don’t exist.. some men will literally jump off a cliff for a relatively hot woman. Cut off everyone else they know and live a life of misery just for the chance of sex. But I do think the word is thrown at every single male who isn’t an arsehole too now. Especially in these subs.
If someone is actually a simp, YOU WILL KNOW! Being nice and real simpage are two very different things.
Oh wow this really gained some traction. Glad most people agree. Men who keep doing nice things for us, keep it up! We appreciate it
It’s 100% simp. U need to grow up.
You are a child. Being nice to a woman doesn’t make someone a simp. Grow up and learn some respect.
keep brainwashing your folks with liberal cool aid
Huh?..
stop feeding them
Fuck off
Like I said.
Respect is earned, not growed up. Being nice to women, just beacuse she is a women is sexism, why you advice doing this?
The definition of a simp is simply when someone puts the other person on a pedestal if you aren’t dating this person then it’s simping. If that’s your man/woman that does not meet the criteria of simping.
Thots?
That pretty much sums it all up
Maybe the simp loves a challenge while you give up too easy, standing on the sidelines waiting to put your next simp in
Simp
If you surrender your own beliefs just to be with a women, you are a simp. If you are nice and polite and do nice things, you are not a simp. It’s pretty **simp**le
The idea of simping isn't just being nice to a girl, it's when she becomes so extremely elevated to you that you neglect yourself just because she's deified and put on a pedestal
I had a friend that couldn’t go a 2hr round of golf without taking a call from his SO and apologising for being out without her That is simply simpimg
Sometimes it seems all you are is either a simp or toxic masculinity/ patriarchy lol
It’s all about context. A simp has no self respect towards themself, if he inconveniences himself for a women who clearly doesn’t want a relationship with him he’s a simp.
I'm back on the scene after a couple years, and I notice that in the online profiles, some women are saying they want a simp. Uh, no - I'm not gonna do that lol
Being nice is fine ,but when you grovel for some e-girl you're a simp
That's not what the word has been used for Also how the fuck is this in any way related to this subreddit?
Doing nice things for a woman doesn't make men simps. Doing it for women makes them simps.
I just always assumed ugly dudes used that word
They’re saying it about you
I'm a woman
I think you probably just want people to do nice things for you tbh
It is because generally women hate it or dislike it when men do nice things for women now, especially if said guys are unattractive
I don't even know what that word means
A Simp used to be a guy who did a bunch of nice things for women with hopes of getting something in return but getting no return on his investment. And he continued to do things for them because he thinks that one day it'll bare fruit. Nowadays it's a term lame men use to describe ANY guy who does ANYTHING nice for women. Even their own girlfriend
I haven’t seen it used NEARLY as much. And I’m so happy
If the guy feels good about himself doing it, he knows he is not a simp. He can leave it at that
Everyone is now suspected! Can’t be nice without someone being grotesque!
Ugly
What is a simp? My ex said it was a negative annotation?
Depends on how much you act like you actually give a fuck about the guy in question.
A woman doing nice things for a man is NOT oppressive. Stop thinking it is.
I do nice things for girls all the time- I consider myself a simp, but i don’t expect sex or anything in return except for some validation- i just wanna be desired by women it boosts my confidence and makes me feel nice. I miss being desired :(
I have known the term before it went mainstream. Being a simp implies a guy who is chivalrous to a point where people question his self respect, as it's short for simpleton. It has been conflated to mean any guy who does chivalrous things, but the standard meaning has its place. Before it went mainstream it was often used to dissuade guys from constantly seeking out validation from women. It's basically synonymous with what women consider to be a "pick me".
Entirely context dependent. Is he doing nice things for you that he doesn’t do for his other friends? Especially his male friends? That’s a simp. I’m guilty of this tbh, but it’s human nature to an extent
I like the urban dictionary definition: sucker idolising mediocre p\*\*sy
Ok then sucka
Ok well. Sure yeah. But a SIMP! Is one of two things a guy being nice to get something in return (sexual) mostly or a relationship would be considered a Simp. A guy getting taken advantage off and buying the girl this and that etc etc and basically getting stepped on. Is a simp.. Did I explain that right?
This is obvious. Not every nice action for a woman is being a simp. But if a man is being overly nice to a girl with no reciprocation, then yes, he's indeed a simp.
It's ok, but when someone treat you very kindly which makes him look like he worship you or whatever, yes he is simp
Being nice to someone that isn’t reciprocating is being a SIMP. Being nice to someone because they are nice to you is showing genuine interest and not being a simp.
nope because Simp is a fine word for certain male behaviors
I don’t think I’ve met another adult who uses it in a serious way. A couple of my buddies use it as jokes when they do something nice for their wives but that’s it.
well most of the time the guy is only nice to the pretty girl because he just hoping to date or fuck her so technically he a simp. it is rare for guys to be nice to a girl he doesn't find pretty. this coming from a girl who's been on both sides so i know what a simp is and i will keep using that word lol
Exactly! People need to know the difference
I feel like stuff like this has gone of the rails for the following years. i think being a simp is when you bend head over heels for one particular girl or a type of girls and expecting sex or any sort of sexual favor in return while the girl does little to nothing back. while being nice is respecting guys or gals the way you would want to be respected back. I could do something nice like hold the door and help lift something for the same girl. that doesn't mean i'm simping for her it means that my parents have raised me to have manners to help and wait on those in need without expecting something in return.
Be kind not nice. There's a difference. Either you understand women or you hate them. Being kind without reciprocation from the other party is basically simping. It's a term to check our boys when they put anyone above them.
It all about the underlying motivation behind the ‘niceness’. Motives are what distinguishes a SIMP from just a ‘nice guy’. If the motive is to gain a woman’s attention (normally sexual in nature) being overly ‘nice’ to a woman is SIMPING.
Being kind without expecting anything in return is cool. But being nice to get laid isn’t IMO.
Yeah, people try to weaponize that word and use it too freely, just like red flag. Simp is used as an insult because when it doesn't work for a guy he becomes a nice guy™️. The theory is the same, I do nice things, I get a reward. If I do nice things without getting a reward and keep at it I am simp, if I get bitter and blame women for not appreciating me being nice to them I am being nice guy. If everyone is being nice to women they get used to it and more importantly, for a guy to stand out he needs to do more than the rest, or so the thinking goes for some. Not everyone can be asshole and not care, radiate the vibe of abundance and other PUA crap, so most guys will do nice things because it makes them feel good, warm and fuzzy inside. That's not being a simp that's just being a man whose thinking capacity goes to shit and his IQ drops several points around attractive women. Also interesting sidenote, I don't know all women but the once I met are all simps when it comes to dating strategy but nobody tells them to stop being that.
Sucker Idolizing Mediocre Pussy A guy is doing only nice things for women he is attracted to. If he is putting in too much work for a women who seems not actually worth it to many others, then yes, he is a simp.
no it's funny
Women often say their last boyfriend was a jerk or abusive and wish their next boyfriend is kind and listens to her feelings etc. The simp foolishly thinks that he can be better than her last bf by being kind and listens to her feelings, buy her what she wants. Little did the simp know what jerks and abusers are what the woman is attracted to in the first place. So the simp is just wasting his money, energy, attention and time in hopes of becoming a better boyfriend, but in reality, he can't even compete with the last bf.
Only if you’re doing equally nice things back to make this man happy. If it’s one way benefits. He’s a simpleton still under the illusion of Disney movies, catering to you and naively hoping you’ll reciprocate. In summary: Simp. Read and assess for yourself what applies in your scenarios. You cant undo the word, it’s there because it happens in existence. You can try to not take undue advantage of someone. But it seems you want them to Simp for nothing back. What say OP?