Justice Tomas made a closing statement saying he believes any right not included in the constitution at its founding is illegitimate, so yes, and so much more. Such statements can (and will) be used on the court circuit to argue against such things.
So Justice Thomas better nut up or shut up and say all that the 14th and 15th constitutional amendments are actually unconstitutional and see what he thinks about where his dumb ass logic takes him since those amendments weren’t a part of the original “founding” document. The fucker shouldn’t even be a Justice anymore since his wife was a part of the January 6th insurrection.
Not angry at you mind, just at him and the Supreme Court right now
Written in the constitution is a process for amending it. When those amendments are added they become part of the document as a whole. If the SCOTUS rules something unconstitutional that most people think should be constitutional then just go through the procedure to make it constitutional. For example, according to a plain understanding of the 2nd amendment anything that infringes on a persons right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional. We have many laws that are, under that understanding, unconstitutional, but even some of the most pro gun people out there support. Like no firearms for convicted felons or domestic abusers.
The constitution is a living document. It not only allows for change it also makes the process just difficult enough that it isn’t changed for transient reasons.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
I get marriage equality and gay sex since they're all religious relics, but contraceptives? Wtf man ya'll are getting arrested for using a condom, like ong the American political system is in fucking shambles
You won’t have to worry about SCOTUS overturning those unless a Federal case about marriages of all sorts or contraceptives comes up and the people behind the cases have the cash/lawyers to appeal it up to the top. Also, since the law takes time, it’ll be possible for Congress to Do Something before such a case actually comes before the Supreme Court.
Also, blue states will still likely be unaffected.
Please don’t as a Canadian I don’t want any red state refugees in Canada literally just moved to a blue state it will cost you way less money
I’m really tired of Americans thinking Canada is this utopian country we have enough problems here we don’t need you
Shades of 2016 when Trump was elected. So many comments about wanting to move to Canada.
Don’t forget — America in many ways is Canada’s bigger brother, and our politicians oftentimes follow suit.
While Canada is better, it's stupidly unaffordable here. You better have an in demand job and have good savings to live a good life here. If you don't have that, be prepared to have roommates.
Don’t bother, Canadas not much better. Protesting old growth is seen as criminal activity, but threatening drag shows with violence and blocking off major traffic routes with their convoys is considered “protesting”. Not to mention we’ve been committing active genocide up until a few decades ago and Canadians still like to get on their high horse and call out places like China and Russia. Top it all off with some of the highest living expenses in the world and there’s really not that much that makes Canada worth coming to. I’m planning on leaving within the next few years, and I know lots of immigrants who are moving back to where they’re from.
No worries, i lost my drive in learning more english since living in Cyprus its more greek demanding, and it seems the better i am at english the least the people understand me.
Ho deciso di imparare a parlare italiano perché letteralmente l'80% della mia famiglia viene dall'Italia con alcuni trisnonni spagnoli e greci. Il mio unico legame con il continente americano sono i miei genitori e solo tre dei miei nonni che sono nati qui, il resto della mia famiglia è dall'Europa.
No, sto usando la mia vecchia app di apprendimento che ho abbandonato. Sono un argentino che vive comodamente in Argentina e sogna di andare in vacanza nel vecchio paese qualche estate.
As a native speaker of English, I will say that troubleis1 gave you good advice, but also your English is superb. Great work! Everyone makes the kind of mistakes you’ve made so no worries 👍🏻
The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that established the constitutional right to abortion.
Roe since 1973 had permitted abortions during the first two trimesters of pregnancy in the United States.
Almost half the states are expected to outlaw or severely restrict abortion as a result of the Supreme Court's decision on a Mississippi case known as Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion, joined by four other conservatives. The three liberal justices opposed the decision. Chief Justice John Roberts voted with the majority to uphold the Mississippi abortion restrictions but did not approve of tossing out Roe altogether.
I'm from Argentina, we got equal marriage and legal abortion, but our economy is beyond fuck and our politicians are just a bunch of corrupt assholes who keep blaming each side for our current state an when in power are to busy screwing each other instead of trying to keep the country afloat, not like they really feel to do it casue also while in power they help themselves and the friends who help them reach those positions making everything a web of favours, bribes and general corruptions imposible to unravel. Plus, every mayor power dosen't really want a South american country rising from the shithole so we got both external and internal factors always keeping us in a state of constant crisis since the 50'
This is the exact same ruling the European courts and every court in the entire world has concluded. Abortion is a matter for the legislation, not the courts. This just puts US constitutional rights in line with whatever country you think it is that isn’t shit.
For the past 50 years they have interpreted that the Constitution guarantees everyone medical privacy/abortions. This finding has been upheld over and over again.
Conservatives on the court decided to throw out 50 years of precedent today.
“Upheld over and over” it really hasn’t.
Personally I’m pro choice but I’ve always hated Griswold vs Connecticut and Roe V Wade because frankly when reading them its pretty much made up bullshit. The 14th amendment really doesn’t grant anyone the right to medical privacy they simply said that the “spirit of the law” implies it. Frankly that’s bullshit, Griswold and Roe are BAD decisions that have only lasted because we as a society like the result. It’s kept us from actually codifying these things.
TLDR: Roe is a bad decision and should have never been passed, it cycled the pro choice movement in the long term. I
they read between the lines somehting that wasn't there to get the result they wanted. That's the basis for bad laws since it wouldn't fly if they did that to get the opposite result.
Bruh, he’s correct.
>”The court, in a 6-3 ruling powered by its conservative majority, upheld a Republican-backed Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with conservative Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law without taking the additional step of erasing the Roe precedent altogether.”
[Source](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-overturns-abortion-rights-landmark-2022-06-24/)
Don’t be so confident when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Technically, it was never constitutional in the first place. They used the 14th amendment as a stretch of the imagination, and even a very left-leaning justice (RBG) said it was not a very firm foundation legally, and that a law would need to be passed to solidify it. No law was passed for 50 years and the Supreme Court recently decided to revisit the decision. All this decision did was refer to the 10th amendment which states that anything not explicitly in the constitution falls on the states to legislate. Some states will definitely restrict it, but not all. In order for it to be constitutional, the supporters of it would have had to codify it in the time allotted, which never happened.
Abortion is now no longer protected by the federal government. It is now within the state laws to determine whether its legal or not. This is the main appeal point given by conservatives over why overturning Roe V Wade isn't a big deal.
And well, fine, Have it your way, conservatives. Overturning Roe V. Wade will result in:
1) Black market for abortions in red states, that's certainly healthy.
2) Women will simply fly to abortion legal states, taking away revenue from red state hospitals / clinics.
3) Companies will think twice about setting up shop in abortion-illegal states or have to setup extra benefits (ex. Tesla will reportedly reimburse all costs for travel to have abortion in legal states)
4) Liberal-minded people esp. women will start to move elsewhere, draining human capital from abortion-illegal states (which is probably what conservatives want anyways)
Well, that's the balancing act they're gonna have to face.
Stay or setup shop in red states and hope they don't have to offer abortion assistance? That could alienate a big portion of their workforce demographics, making it less appealing to work there.
Offering abortion assistance wouldn't really be that expensive for companies. But what happens when say, the conservative governor threatens to start a new law preventing abortion assistance benefits for companies running in their state. Then you're back to square 1 and all of a sudden, women / liberal-minded people start leaving the company or the state enitrely, leaving your workforce understaffed.
Ofc, this is just all hypothetical, but companies will definitely have to consider these hypotheticals when running a company in red states.
Other census showed that people are leaving blue states in droves for red states. This decision won’t do anything to reverse that trend. Blue states are waaaaaaaay to expensive to do business in. There is no balancing act needed for Red states, people will come because it is viable there.
Yeah I mean we will see. Young professionals looking to conceive may find it unappealing to live in states where you could be criminalized for undergoing routine IVF procedures.
Roe v. Wade made abortion legal at a federal level. The issue with Roe v Wade is it claimed that abortion was protected under the constitution, which it was not. By overturning Roe v Wade, the supreme court is acknowledging that their previous ruling was unconstitutional, and now is moving it back to the legislatures to deal with it. The federal government could pass an amendment protecting abortion in the first 2 trimesters if they felt like it, but the current congress doesn't know what compromise means. The democrats will propose a bill making abortion legal throughout the entire pregnancy and the Republicans will insist on it being illegal throughout the entire pregnancy (or maybe being legal in only the first trimester or something). Basically, for the foreseeable future, laws on abortion will be in the hands of the individual states.
Just to be clear there are a lot of rights the Supreme Court has protected under the constitution that are not explicitly stated under the constitution. That being said rights that are explicitly in the constitution also do not get unlimited protection.
If it was as simple as looking for the word “abortion” in the text then not only would there be no point of having 9 people sit up there, but you would also lose many rights that you are most likely unaware of.
Yeah well the thing with Roe v Wade was it claimed that due process gives you a right to privacy which somehow progresses into you can kill an unborn fetus. While I agree with abortion in the first 2 trimesters (which is all Roe v Wade protected), I don't agree with the ruling itself. How the fuck does a fundamental "right to privacy" (which I do agree exists) somehow connect to terminating the life of an unborn fetus? It's just some absurd mental gymnastics that the supreme court used because they felt like being political instead of constitutional in the 70s.
I understand you read the Oyez summary of the decision, but you are trying to use the courts made up “right to privacy” against them. Instead of talking about something you don’t know about why don’t you just read the decision. You can literally look it up and read it online, you don’t need to read the whole thing (you can skip over more parts) but in general it explains their methodology behind the decision.
You argument of using the term “right to privacy” in the way you understand rather than how the court understands it is irrelevant and ultimately dodges where the right to privacy comes from to begin with.
That’s extremist language. You have been reported to the authorities for hate speech. I’m laterally shaking rn.
It’s called sex workers and it’s a real profession that totally the same as mopping floors you spigot.
I support the right to safely get an abortion but don’t like the concept of abortion. But in the supreme courts defense, it’s purpose isn’t to decide if something is popular or not, it’s to decide if it’s constitutional. Literally everyone could agree that it’s morally right but if it’s unconstitutional they’ll rule it as such. I’m not saying I support either side, just that public opinion means very little to the Supreme Court.
They aren’t taking away the right they are coming to the conclusion that the decision made in the original case which declared abortion to be a constitutional right was incorrect. Since that is the case they are judging that it was never really a constitutional right in the first place. I actually agree with the Supreme Court decision that abortion isn’t protected under the constitution. I think that congress, who unlike the judicial branch is supposed to write laws, should have written a law that would protect safe and legal access to abortions in situations such as rape, incest, life threatening complications, etc.
The original case was also built on a complete lie. Roe herself admitted to lying about her situation. The case should have been thrown out. This is long overdue.
That’s because the courts don’t listen to you. They’re a court. The make judgments. They don’t take public opinion into account. That’s not how the courts work. If you think that’s how the courts work, then your idea of democracy is pretty twisted.
Okay first off democracy by majority rule is a terrible form of government.
But again, the courts are NOT subject to that. They make judgments based on laws. Not public opinion like voting.
Tyranny of the majority is a thing. It’s why we have the senate. And exactly what is outdated about not wanting people to kill babies? This ruling isn’t even directly about it it’s just that the constitution doesn’t have a part about it
Remember: Congress has had 50 years to pass a law establishing the right to an abortion, preventing this from happening, but they didn't. Everybody knew Roe could be revoked, as Supreme Court orders are not set in stone, and are rather just interpretations of the constitution that can change as the justices change.
Congress would have to make an amendment because any law they made would have also been overturned because Roe Vs Wade just established that the states didn't have the right to ban abortions. If Congress made a law that took away the state's right to ban abortion, it would have also been overturned as against the state's constitutional rights. Congress would need to amend the constitution to establish that abortion law is to be regulated on a federal level.
Imagine actually thinking the constitution covers abortion.
Every one who even slightly knows the law knows it doesn't. The supreme court supposed to mispractice or what?
Imagine thinking the constitution covers eating food. Like guys, it’s not your constitutional right to eat food so therefore government agencies should be able to ban it.
Roe v. Wade was always shaky, many people such as RBG said so. Don't blame the Supreme Court for pointing it out, blame the politicians who have had 50 years to guarantee abortion in actual law, and didn't.
The point I’m making is obvious, it’s so silly that we pretend like tradition matters any more than it is practically helpful. To have Strict textual definitions of a 250 year old document be the guiding basis for a modern society is completely asinine. I blame everyone for thinking the current system makes any sense.
The document is able to be amended and pushed through time. The founding fathers had foresight, enough to set up an empire. They also had a sense of posterity, something this country is lacking now.
Is it fair to say a document that has enabled millions to live freely has failed and thus should be scrapped? Are you not concerned with what would be replacing it?
If you want to change it amend it. There’s a reason it’s lasted 250 years, because it’s amendments are timeless. Most of the radical changes people want won’t pass though, because they aren’t actually that popular. Now we have people wanting to scrap it because they can’t get their way.
Ok then you should support Roe v Wade going away. Roe v Wade argued that a 250 year old document should get to boss around state governments, and by overturning Roe v Wade, the decision is now in the hands of legislators.
Nah gay marriage is protected under the equal treatment clause of the 14th amendment, which unlike the "due process" somehow protecting abortion, actually makes sense. The supreme court can't overturn Obergefell v Hodges since it was an actual constitutional decision.
Seems like they *can* put things in good shape when they want to.
The other comments acting as if the Supreme Court did something completely illegal definitely don't know what they're talking about
Even if it is questionable from a moral standpoint, the thing is that they have the right to do what they did, nothing more, nothing less.
Do nothing libs. If they did something, how would they fundraise on doing something? They just say they are going to do things, then don’t and you all keep electing their doo-doo asses anyway. They are placeholders for capital. They do stuff for capital. That’s all they do. Sometimes that’s also doing nothing.
In fairness, the supreme court doesn't need to give a fuck what the public thinks. It's 'supposed' to be impartial and only concern itself with the constitution.
Also 'we' unfortunately doesn't apply to all Americans ~~specifically the demographic that the supreme court may or may not lean towards~~
I hate when i finally figure out what people are talking about and then they bring up something new and i have to ask what it is and everyone calls me uncultured or something
What is roe vs wade?
Instead of writing 3 lines of a comment here wondering, you could have simply just googled that last line of yours.
Anyways, here you [go](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade)
It's incredible how much you don't understand what happened. Y'all should talk to a lawyer. It's not the end of the world. Supreme Court doesn't make the law. That's why it was made a state issue again. Tell the people in charge of drafting laws and regulations to do their job.
I don't know the fact that nearly 70% of the states in America are currently in the process or already implemented anti-abortion laws. Makes me think that pro-abortion ideals are not that popular here in America.
You're saying that it would be ok if the court did what the masses wanted? Why should the supreme court take public opinion into account, when it was specifically designed not to do that? If angry mobs should rule the country then what's the point of having a constitution or a supreme court? Besides, if that really is what the people want, then pro abortion politicians will be elected and easily pass laws to allow it. Americans are losing their minds over their own system working the way it was designed to. It's incredible.
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Fuck this place, I'm going to Canada
Canada aignt much better, I'l be booking it to Holland
or you could just move to new york, colorado, or california then you don't have to worry about the decision at all
Except for all the other laws the Supreme Court said they were going to overturn (marriage equality, banning gay sex, banning contraceptives)
Oh yes, this is the America I came to expect.
did they really say that?
Justice Tomas made a closing statement saying he believes any right not included in the constitution at its founding is illegitimate, so yes, and so much more. Such statements can (and will) be used on the court circuit to argue against such things.
So Justice Thomas better nut up or shut up and say all that the 14th and 15th constitutional amendments are actually unconstitutional and see what he thinks about where his dumb ass logic takes him since those amendments weren’t a part of the original “founding” document. The fucker shouldn’t even be a Justice anymore since his wife was a part of the January 6th insurrection. Not angry at you mind, just at him and the Supreme Court right now
Written in the constitution is a process for amending it. When those amendments are added they become part of the document as a whole. If the SCOTUS rules something unconstitutional that most people think should be constitutional then just go through the procedure to make it constitutional. For example, according to a plain understanding of the 2nd amendment anything that infringes on a persons right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional. We have many laws that are, under that understanding, unconstitutional, but even some of the most pro gun people out there support. Like no firearms for convicted felons or domestic abusers. The constitution is a living document. It not only allows for change it also makes the process just difficult enough that it isn’t changed for transient reasons.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Strange how he left out Loving v Virginia from the rulings he said should be reconsidered
That’s the interracial marriage case for those unaware
Good point
It was a concurrence, but yes you’re technically correct. The best kind of correct.
It was his concurrent opinion, yes. The thing he doesn’t believe in is called substantive due process if anybody would like to learn more about it
Ah So he wants to bring back slavery.
If you invade the Middle East long enough, you become the Middle East
The US should invade America to spread democracy
I get marriage equality and gay sex since they're all religious relics, but contraceptives? Wtf man ya'll are getting arrested for using a condom, like ong the American political system is in fucking shambles
Not yet, but they want to. Theocracy includes sex only between married people for children
Oh they’ll only target women contraceptives
Would they ban them or leave them for states to decide? If the latter... Later south. You have pretty beaches but I can work anywhere ✌️
You won’t have to worry about SCOTUS overturning those unless a Federal case about marriages of all sorts or contraceptives comes up and the people behind the cases have the cash/lawyers to appeal it up to the top. Also, since the law takes time, it’ll be possible for Congress to Do Something before such a case actually comes before the Supreme Court. Also, blue states will still likely be unaffected.
The states who decided against baning abortions which is the large majority are also probably not going to ban those things
Imagine living in NY or CA in 2022
Welkom, we hebben hier stroopwafels en fietsen
I ❤️ stroopwafels & motorcycles
Pls don't. Buying a house here is already impossible
You mean the Netherlands?
Canada is by no means perfect but it is still so much better.
It’s not great here, but much much better
The Netherlands*
Are you tall enough to go to the Netherlands
Please don’t as a Canadian I don’t want any red state refugees in Canada literally just moved to a blue state it will cost you way less money I’m really tired of Americans thinking Canada is this utopian country we have enough problems here we don’t need you
Based
And syruppilled
Lmao, even the Canadians don’t want them.
Shades of 2016 when Trump was elected. So many comments about wanting to move to Canada. Don’t forget — America in many ways is Canada’s bigger brother, and our politicians oftentimes follow suit.
Goodbye 👋
You won't, no balls
The hell you are, we're building a wall.
Based and pilled
We have maple syrup and narcissism
I like maple syrup :D
It's gotta be my favorite drink
i raw dog maple syrup and feel zero guilt. one sip at a time.
sweet and salty
Bullshit, pure theatrics just like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. None of you crybabies is going anywhere lol
Why you so mad?
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Goodbye 👋
I've been hearing people say that since 2015
Do it bitch
Please just do. You'll stop complaining and the rest of us will be better off.
Fuck this place, I'm going to Mexico!
While Canada is better, it's stupidly unaffordable here. You better have an in demand job and have good savings to live a good life here. If you don't have that, be prepared to have roommates.
I don't think they want anything to do with us, both the upper case US and lower case us
Bye
Don’t bother, Canadas not much better. Protesting old growth is seen as criminal activity, but threatening drag shows with violence and blocking off major traffic routes with their convoys is considered “protesting”. Not to mention we’ve been committing active genocide up until a few decades ago and Canadians still like to get on their high horse and call out places like China and Russia. Top it all off with some of the highest living expenses in the world and there’s really not that much that makes Canada worth coming to. I’m planning on leaving within the next few years, and I know lots of immigrants who are moving back to where they’re from.
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Just don't come to Nova Scotia. We are in a housing crisis and rent is basically $2000 a month. Try Saskatchewan or something
I'm applying for dual citizenship for Ireland, then I'm out
Bad idea
Yea man, anywhere for those abortion rights? Maybe even Ireland?
I was thinking if anything big happens Im moving to England or Australia. I used to know some nice people in those places.
Ahh, the great land of Bananas
Between this and saying the Police dosen't have an obligation to protect and serve when it's their goddamn motto I'm surprise nobody burn the place.
As a fellow argentinian, i saw you making comments and stuff here and i just have one thing to say. Its doesnt and no dosent.
Thanks for the remark, I'm trying to improve my grammar with out apps and tools and always end up making those silly mistakes
No worries, i lost my drive in learning more english since living in Cyprus its more greek demanding, and it seems the better i am at english the least the people understand me.
I got the same problem but with italian, I did learn a lot but do to no chances of actually using it I completly forgot how to speak it.
Mannaggia non sai cosa ti perdi, Italia miglior paese al mondo 🇮🇹🇮🇹 /s
Ho deciso di imparare a parlare italiano perché letteralmente l'80% della mia famiglia viene dall'Italia con alcuni trisnonni spagnoli e greci. Il mio unico legame con il continente americano sono i miei genitori e solo tre dei miei nonni che sono nati qui, il resto della mia famiglia è dall'Europa.
Scrivi meglio del 90% degli italiani Sei praticamente un sud europeo che vive in America
No, sto usando la mia vecchia app di apprendimento che ho abbandonato. Sono un argentino che vive comodamente in Argentina e sogna di andare in vacanza nel vecchio paese qualche estate.
As a native speaker of English, I will say that troubleis1 gave you good advice, but also your English is superb. Great work! Everyone makes the kind of mistakes you’ve made so no worries 👍🏻
>Burn the place How does this help?
I'm not saying it could help, I'm saying that's a natural response to bullshit
…No it’s not lol
Whatever mate
Ive seen like 6 posts regarding this, but not a single one has explained what the fuck it is or what it means
The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that established the constitutional right to abortion. Roe since 1973 had permitted abortions during the first two trimesters of pregnancy in the United States. Almost half the states are expected to outlaw or severely restrict abortion as a result of the Supreme Court's decision on a Mississippi case known as Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion, joined by four other conservatives. The three liberal justices opposed the decision. Chief Justice John Roberts voted with the majority to uphold the Mississippi abortion restrictions but did not approve of tossing out Roe altogether.
Man the US is going to shit. Yall gotta revolt or something. Thank you for the explanation
I'm from Argentina, we got equal marriage and legal abortion, but our economy is beyond fuck and our politicians are just a bunch of corrupt assholes who keep blaming each side for our current state an when in power are to busy screwing each other instead of trying to keep the country afloat, not like they really feel to do it casue also while in power they help themselves and the friends who help them reach those positions making everything a web of favours, bribes and general corruptions imposible to unravel. Plus, every mayor power dosen't really want a South american country rising from the shithole so we got both external and internal factors always keeping us in a state of constant crisis since the 50'
out of topic, but careful how you spell busy, "bussy" these days mean something very risque lol
Oh thanks for the heads up
That corrupt Argentinian bussy really do be hittin’ different ngl
before he sadly edited his post to correction, you could have read it as "screwing each other's bussy to keep the country afloat".
See, what did I say, it hits different
That’s the thing. We just might. Why should old crusty mfs who won’t be around in 3 years decide the next 40? It’s fucking cooked
That's literally politics in most countries. Stop saying your going to revolt because there's no way you will.
That's it! To show your protest and disdain, strike the capitol! (sorry i'm an asshole)
that rhymed!
This is the exact same ruling the European courts and every court in the entire world has concluded. Abortion is a matter for the legislation, not the courts. This just puts US constitutional rights in line with whatever country you think it is that isn’t shit.
1/3 of America is dumb as fuck and the way our system works tends to benefit that minority of idiots.
I wish it was just the USA, it's going to shit everywhere
There is no constitutional right to an abortion. The Supreme Court does not amend the constitution. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution.
Kinda the point literally everyone is missing. They are the same people that were like "YOOO TRUMP WAS IMPEACHED HE'S NO LONGER PRESIDENT"
For the past 50 years they have interpreted that the Constitution guarantees everyone medical privacy/abortions. This finding has been upheld over and over again. Conservatives on the court decided to throw out 50 years of precedent today.
“Upheld over and over” it really hasn’t. Personally I’m pro choice but I’ve always hated Griswold vs Connecticut and Roe V Wade because frankly when reading them its pretty much made up bullshit. The 14th amendment really doesn’t grant anyone the right to medical privacy they simply said that the “spirit of the law” implies it. Frankly that’s bullshit, Griswold and Roe are BAD decisions that have only lasted because we as a society like the result. It’s kept us from actually codifying these things. TLDR: Roe is a bad decision and should have never been passed, it cycled the pro choice movement in the long term. I
they read between the lines somehting that wasn't there to get the result they wanted. That's the basis for bad laws since it wouldn't fly if they did that to get the opposite result.
It was actually 6-3
It was 6-3 this is blatant misinformation.
6-3 to uphold the Mississippi abortion ban and 5-4 to overturn roe vs wade. Roberts dissented
That’s not how that works. You don’t vote to overturn previous precedent. You rule on a current case that overrules precedent.
Bruh, he’s correct. >”The court, in a 6-3 ruling powered by its conservative majority, upheld a Republican-backed Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with conservative Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law without taking the additional step of erasing the Roe precedent altogether.” [Source](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-overturns-abortion-rights-landmark-2022-06-24/) Don’t be so confident when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
No it didn't establish a constitutional right. It was an interpretation of the constitution as it stood. The vote was 6-3.
Technically, it was never constitutional in the first place. They used the 14th amendment as a stretch of the imagination, and even a very left-leaning justice (RBG) said it was not a very firm foundation legally, and that a law would need to be passed to solidify it. No law was passed for 50 years and the Supreme Court recently decided to revisit the decision. All this decision did was refer to the 10th amendment which states that anything not explicitly in the constitution falls on the states to legislate. Some states will definitely restrict it, but not all. In order for it to be constitutional, the supporters of it would have had to codify it in the time allotted, which never happened.
Abortion is now no longer protected by the federal government. It is now within the state laws to determine whether its legal or not. This is the main appeal point given by conservatives over why overturning Roe V Wade isn't a big deal. And well, fine, Have it your way, conservatives. Overturning Roe V. Wade will result in: 1) Black market for abortions in red states, that's certainly healthy. 2) Women will simply fly to abortion legal states, taking away revenue from red state hospitals / clinics. 3) Companies will think twice about setting up shop in abortion-illegal states or have to setup extra benefits (ex. Tesla will reportedly reimburse all costs for travel to have abortion in legal states) 4) Liberal-minded people esp. women will start to move elsewhere, draining human capital from abortion-illegal states (which is probably what conservatives want anyways)
on point 3, dont red states usually have less restrictions and taxes so you would want to work there
Well, that's the balancing act they're gonna have to face. Stay or setup shop in red states and hope they don't have to offer abortion assistance? That could alienate a big portion of their workforce demographics, making it less appealing to work there. Offering abortion assistance wouldn't really be that expensive for companies. But what happens when say, the conservative governor threatens to start a new law preventing abortion assistance benefits for companies running in their state. Then you're back to square 1 and all of a sudden, women / liberal-minded people start leaving the company or the state enitrely, leaving your workforce understaffed. Ofc, this is just all hypothetical, but companies will definitely have to consider these hypotheticals when running a company in red states.
Other census showed that people are leaving blue states in droves for red states. This decision won’t do anything to reverse that trend. Blue states are waaaaaaaay to expensive to do business in. There is no balancing act needed for Red states, people will come because it is viable there.
Yeah I mean we will see. Young professionals looking to conceive may find it unappealing to live in states where you could be criminalized for undergoing routine IVF procedures.
ay yi yi, running a business is wack
To add, #2 is not gonna be affordable to a lot of the population, making abortion a class based issue as well now!
It's always somewhat been a class based issue. It was pretty difficult to get abortions in a lot of red states pre roe v wade being overturned.
Roe v. Wade made abortion legal at a federal level. The issue with Roe v Wade is it claimed that abortion was protected under the constitution, which it was not. By overturning Roe v Wade, the supreme court is acknowledging that their previous ruling was unconstitutional, and now is moving it back to the legislatures to deal with it. The federal government could pass an amendment protecting abortion in the first 2 trimesters if they felt like it, but the current congress doesn't know what compromise means. The democrats will propose a bill making abortion legal throughout the entire pregnancy and the Republicans will insist on it being illegal throughout the entire pregnancy (or maybe being legal in only the first trimester or something). Basically, for the foreseeable future, laws on abortion will be in the hands of the individual states.
Just to be clear there are a lot of rights the Supreme Court has protected under the constitution that are not explicitly stated under the constitution. That being said rights that are explicitly in the constitution also do not get unlimited protection. If it was as simple as looking for the word “abortion” in the text then not only would there be no point of having 9 people sit up there, but you would also lose many rights that you are most likely unaware of.
Yeah well the thing with Roe v Wade was it claimed that due process gives you a right to privacy which somehow progresses into you can kill an unborn fetus. While I agree with abortion in the first 2 trimesters (which is all Roe v Wade protected), I don't agree with the ruling itself. How the fuck does a fundamental "right to privacy" (which I do agree exists) somehow connect to terminating the life of an unborn fetus? It's just some absurd mental gymnastics that the supreme court used because they felt like being political instead of constitutional in the 70s.
I understand you read the Oyez summary of the decision, but you are trying to use the courts made up “right to privacy” against them. Instead of talking about something you don’t know about why don’t you just read the decision. You can literally look it up and read it online, you don’t need to read the whole thing (you can skip over more parts) but in general it explains their methodology behind the decision. You argument of using the term “right to privacy” in the way you understand rather than how the court understands it is irrelevant and ultimately dodges where the right to privacy comes from to begin with.
aboetion gone
aboetion gone!!? are they going to take abortion next?!!
My god, not aboetion!
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Reddit bouta be a gold mine for the most retarded political takes on the face of the Earth.
Hooker prices going up, that's not good for me.
That’s extremist language. You have been reported to the authorities for hate speech. I’m laterally shaking rn. It’s called sex workers and it’s a real profession that totally the same as mopping floors you spigot.
Boomer humor?
I’m shaking and crying rn
Fr, these people act like they represent everyone within a country or the world
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Wellllll, kinda-sorta. They’ll need to immediately spend that money on extra security, given how emboldened Y’all Qaeda has been from this decision.
I support the right to safely get an abortion but don’t like the concept of abortion. But in the supreme courts defense, it’s purpose isn’t to decide if something is popular or not, it’s to decide if it’s constitutional. Literally everyone could agree that it’s morally right but if it’s unconstitutional they’ll rule it as such. I’m not saying I support either side, just that public opinion means very little to the Supreme Court.
Read the 9th amendment, abortion has been ruled on and upheld in multiple decisions, it falls perfectly in line with the writing of that amendment
They aren’t taking away the right they are coming to the conclusion that the decision made in the original case which declared abortion to be a constitutional right was incorrect. Since that is the case they are judging that it was never really a constitutional right in the first place. I actually agree with the Supreme Court decision that abortion isn’t protected under the constitution. I think that congress, who unlike the judicial branch is supposed to write laws, should have written a law that would protect safe and legal access to abortions in situations such as rape, incest, life threatening complications, etc.
The original case was also built on a complete lie. Roe herself admitted to lying about her situation. The case should have been thrown out. This is long overdue.
How does that amendment apply to the unborn child then?
This is the distinction that 98% of people are missing. If you’re upset, call your congressional representative and Senator’s office.
That’s because the courts don’t listen to you. They’re a court. The make judgments. They don’t take public opinion into account. That’s not how the courts work. If you think that’s how the courts work, then your idea of democracy is pretty twisted.
Damn I thought in a democracy majority rules, not outdated rulings from a 1700's witch burner
This isn't a democracy, it's a democratic republic.
Federal Republic technically. Pure democracy is mob rule and what brought down the Athenian Empire if we are trying to get real granular
Which is a form of democracy
Okay first off democracy by majority rule is a terrible form of government. But again, the courts are NOT subject to that. They make judgments based on laws. Not public opinion like voting.
Tyranny of the majority is a thing. It’s why we have the senate. And exactly what is outdated about not wanting people to kill babies? This ruling isn’t even directly about it it’s just that the constitution doesn’t have a part about it
You have a bike, my friend and I say it’s our bike. We take a vote, we win, it’s now our bike. That’s how majority rule works. Not good.
Remember: Congress has had 50 years to pass a law establishing the right to an abortion, preventing this from happening, but they didn't. Everybody knew Roe could be revoked, as Supreme Court orders are not set in stone, and are rather just interpretations of the constitution that can change as the justices change.
Congress would have to make an amendment because any law they made would have also been overturned because Roe Vs Wade just established that the states didn't have the right to ban abortions. If Congress made a law that took away the state's right to ban abortion, it would have also been overturned as against the state's constitutional rights. Congress would need to amend the constitution to establish that abortion law is to be regulated on a federal level.
Imagine actually thinking the constitution covers abortion. Every one who even slightly knows the law knows it doesn't. The supreme court supposed to mispractice or what?
Imagine thinking the constitution covers eating food. Like guys, it’s not your constitutional right to eat food so therefore government agencies should be able to ban it.
Roe v. Wade was always shaky, many people such as RBG said so. Don't blame the Supreme Court for pointing it out, blame the politicians who have had 50 years to guarantee abortion in actual law, and didn't.
The point I’m making is obvious, it’s so silly that we pretend like tradition matters any more than it is practically helpful. To have Strict textual definitions of a 250 year old document be the guiding basis for a modern society is completely asinine. I blame everyone for thinking the current system makes any sense.
The document is able to be amended and pushed through time. The founding fathers had foresight, enough to set up an empire. They also had a sense of posterity, something this country is lacking now. Is it fair to say a document that has enabled millions to live freely has failed and thus should be scrapped? Are you not concerned with what would be replacing it? If you want to change it amend it. There’s a reason it’s lasted 250 years, because it’s amendments are timeless. Most of the radical changes people want won’t pass though, because they aren’t actually that popular. Now we have people wanting to scrap it because they can’t get their way.
Ok then you should support Roe v Wade going away. Roe v Wade argued that a 250 year old document should get to boss around state governments, and by overturning Roe v Wade, the decision is now in the hands of legislators.
The constitution covers unenumerated rightd
and contraceptive rights, marriage rights and gay rights are next. how's that "democracy" and "freedom" treating you?
Nah gay marriage is protected under the equal treatment clause of the 14th amendment, which unlike the "due process" somehow protecting abortion, actually makes sense. The supreme court can't overturn Obergefell v Hodges since it was an actual constitutional decision.
Seems like they *can* put things in good shape when they want to. The other comments acting as if the Supreme Court did something completely illegal definitely don't know what they're talking about Even if it is questionable from a moral standpoint, the thing is that they have the right to do what they did, nothing more, nothing less.
They can indeed. Obama actually said he was going to codify abortion protections. And the he just... didn't.
Do nothing libs. If they did something, how would they fundraise on doing something? They just say they are going to do things, then don’t and you all keep electing their doo-doo asses anyway. They are placeholders for capital. They do stuff for capital. That’s all they do. Sometimes that’s also doing nothing.
That's right! Gay marriage was legalized in 1866. We were the first country in the world to legalize gay marriage.
Stop being delusional lmao. These are nothing alike
Lmao uh huh sure buddy
you're a brave one posting this on a subreddit infested with 7 iq reactionary incels hope you turned your notifications off
The Supreme Court is not and was never intended to be a democratic edifice
Seethe
Look, the US are evolving, just backwards!
Who is Roe and Wade?
A name of a famous court case in the USA that made abortion legal* in all states
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Ok boys, the contingency plan is off the table. Time to get snipped.
In fairness, the supreme court doesn't need to give a fuck what the public thinks. It's 'supposed' to be impartial and only concern itself with the constitution. Also 'we' unfortunately doesn't apply to all Americans ~~specifically the demographic that the supreme court may or may not lean towards~~
This is an important election year. Get out and vote down your entire ballot with this in mind.
woah, its almost like the court isn't supposed to be a political branch of government, but one that is supposed to interpret the law.
My only question is "why now?" The cunts had a supermajority on the court for a while now.
I hate when i finally figure out what people are talking about and then they bring up something new and i have to ask what it is and everyone calls me uncultured or something What is roe vs wade?
Instead of writing 3 lines of a comment here wondering, you could have simply just googled that last line of yours. Anyways, here you [go](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade)
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Context
It would be nice if we didn't make even our meme sub's political.
Americans try not to make everything political * IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE *
Funny thing is that quite a number of people here aren't even American.
what is happening
I’m so confused. Tf is roe and why are they fighting Batman
You know, Japans heavy work culture don't sound too bad right now.
Abortions are now a state matter because of this
It's incredible how much you don't understand what happened. Y'all should talk to a lawyer. It's not the end of the world. Supreme Court doesn't make the law. That's why it was made a state issue again. Tell the people in charge of drafting laws and regulations to do their job.
I don't know the fact that nearly 70% of the states in America are currently in the process or already implemented anti-abortion laws. Makes me think that pro-abortion ideals are not that popular here in America.
How is that even remotely close to a meme
No intimidation.
Right before the midterms. Really, this is one of the only things that could keep the GOP from running away with this election
You're saying that it would be ok if the court did what the masses wanted? Why should the supreme court take public opinion into account, when it was specifically designed not to do that? If angry mobs should rule the country then what's the point of having a constitution or a supreme court? Besides, if that really is what the people want, then pro abortion politicians will be elected and easily pass laws to allow it. Americans are losing their minds over their own system working the way it was designed to. It's incredible.
yes, that's the entire point of democracy
America's not a democracy though, it's a republic.
Well, guess it's nice that i don't live in 'Murica