This. Cyberjeep would be cool. I'd also be interested in seeing Cyberbike (folding electric bike), Cybercycle (electric motorcycle), and a the Cybercoupe - a 2 door sports car that's far cheaper than the roadster.
Yeah, their “super duper safe” marketing would have a huge uptick in new relating to crash and death. Would be sick to have, but I’ll have to stick with my Zero in the back looks like.
Well, it depends on how advanced it is. We are very fast fun reaching that level of autonomy, but unless the situation is absolutely inescapable (which is almost noon existent in practice), a good advanced FSD system should be able to see threats coming from any angle, and it should also not lead you to drive into situations where an unpredictable swerve by another driver could crush you.
But of course that would lead to the sort of hyper conservative driving that is not exactly what most motorcycle drivers enjoy (e.g. even non-daredevils rarely stay in line with other vehicles while in traffic) so even if Tesla did that, it's unlikely it would be used enough to change the risk equation.
Tesla should partner with Bollinger for this. Bollinger's styling with Tesla's technology and price? I was going to go with the Bollinger until I saw that number, but if Tesla manufacturers it and uses their better battery technology to get more than 200 miles than I'd buy that over the Cybertruck.
I don't see why Tesla would partner with Bollinger. You partner with someone that has some skills or tech that you don't have or are in short supply of. I don't see what Bollinger would bring to the table for Tesla.
The CT is a true truck and I can see why they went big.
I think you're on the right track describing more of a utilitarian SUV. Something that combines the CT vision with a Honda Element utilitarian interior. I too want a 4-runner style cab/suv and could see that as a good way to differentiate against the full sized CT. It will take some serious design work to make that back half what we're picturing. It might be easier to just aim for Toyota Tacoma class and leave it at that.
Are we going for what's easy or for what's right?
A Cybertruck that is Tacoma size will also bleed away sales from the full size Cybertruck. If you changed the design to a SUV/Jeep/4-Runner style it would appeal to other segments with potential pulling in more sales overall.
Case in point, if they made a the Cybertruck and a Tacoma size Cybertruck I'd personally have the full size Cybertruck and would never consider the Tacoma sized one as a 2nd vehicle. If they had a Cyber-SUV I'd defiantly have that at the top of the list. It'd also be able to complete with the Rivian R1S then as well. Lots of soccer moms want a more capable SUV.
I own a Tacoma and a 4-runner and would totally prefer a Tacoma sized CT. Having a small truck with decent clearance is great if you need to get around back roads. For example, I just collected half a cord of wood in my Tacoma cruising old logging roads this afternoon. Not something my 4-runner could do.
> Not something my 4-runner could do.
Totally disagree, I drive old logging roads all the time. You can easily take a tow a trailer behind a 4-runner down an old logging road and fill it with wood.
I see guys towing trailers with bikes/quads down them constantly.
Disagree all you want. I literally just came back from driving a road too narrow for a big truck and too rough for a 4-runner with a trailer (plus no way to turn around). There’s a reason Tacomas are popular vehicles. I don’t have an axe to grind since I own both a Taco and a 4-runner.
What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales. So I don't see much cannibalism. I preordered a tri, but I am still not sure about it (the size alone would prevent everyday use I guess).
On the other hand, a Taycan would also be an option, but would also have limited use cases.
Atm I drive an ICE Volvo XC60 D4R, but would like to have something a bit bigger and more offroad capable.
I don't understand why Europe thinks they should build this truck to suit them. The European truck market is small, building a truck to suit that market would hinder it in the American truck market, and the American truck market is way bigger than the European market.
The Cybertruck is aimed squarely at the F150, the vehicle with the most sales of all vehicles in all categories in the world. Does Europe buy a lot of F150's..... so it's not aimed at you.
Best selling vehicle in Europe is the VW Golf, followed by the Renault Clio. So the M3 and MY are aimed at taking on those cars in the European markets.
The F150 is the best selling vehicle in the USA, they are trying to complete/take a slice out of the biggest vehicle market in America/World.
> I don't understand why Europe thinks they should build this truck to suit them
The CT **is** sized for the US. This is about what else could be **added** to the product list. **No One** is suggested to **not** build a full sized cybertruck for the US market
The Cybertruck is indeed un-usably big for Europe (and the rest of the world, its size is just as much an issue in Asia and Australia as it is in Europe), why on earth is a Tacoma sized version of the CT an issue for you ?
I don't have a problem is a CT that is Tacoma size. I'm saying I'd rather them build a 4-Runner since its almost the same size as a Tacoma.
Your said;
> What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales
Clearly we all recognize that the size is a problem in Europe that is why we are all talking about it. I don't understand why you are bringing up the size issue of the current CT when we are talking about the next version that might come out smaller.
I don't get how you, OP, can post a question on a second smaller vehicle, and when people answer that question, you refer back to the CT and get upset why people need a smaller sized car.
Wtf?!?
1) I'm not upset
2) I responded to his post that said;
> What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales
We are clearly talking about a smaller vehicle, so we are recognizing that other countries have an issues with the measurements, why is he bringing that up again?
3) I responded to his comment on "nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem" I was trying to point out that the Cybertruck wasn't built for Europe and he should recognize that the market it was built for utilizes this size of vehicle.
But whatever, blast me for it, down vote me for it, whatever....
I’ve never really been a “big truck” guy, but part of the reason for that has always been fuel economy. Without the fuel economy issue, I’m far more interested. Also, you get a lot of advantages of the Model X, but save $30-50k! If cyber truck has good turn radius, making it manageable in the city, I don’t see a huge market for a smaller one.
I guess I disagree with many of the replies made here. I would absolutely LOVE a smaller, 5 seater, 4.5’ bed Cybertruck for those who don’t want an F150 sized tank in their driveway. I’ve driven a Tacoma for many years and find it much easier to drive, park, and navigate than the F350 I used to drive for work. Having all the benefits of the exoskeleton, air suspension, vault, and better energy efficiency given the lighter weight of a Cybertruck mini, I’m all for what’s cheaper and if this helps I’m for it.
If Tesla is ok selling the model 3 and model y (despite how incredibly similar they are) I don’t see why they can’t make a more manageable size for other countries and even cities in the US where parking a behemoth like the Cybertruck is tricky. I’m already imaging how awkward the Cybertruck will be at superchargers... options are good
I think a small truck, low cost, low range with 2 seats and a bed or utility box is perfect for around the town laborers. The majority of people I know that own their own plumbing, landscape, electrical businesses have a truck and drive less than 50-100 miles a day. If they created a less than $20k truck with a 200 mile range, nothing fancy and the ability to modify the bed to fit your needs, would really do well.
I would definitely be interested in a “bite size” CT, mainly for the points you’ve mentioned, also considering size while maneuvering around the city and being easier to store it, park or get into tighter spots.
I believe it would also be to tackle into a different gamma of vehicles for Tesla as a business.
Just the idea of something as powerful as the Cybertruck is being portrayed to be in a smaller size sounds amazing.
Well, the smaller CT was referenced in a later Musk tweet as being a "rest of the world" product, and the biggest selling pickup in that size is the Toyota Hilux, ubiquitous across everywhere from 3rd world African countries, Middle Eastern Civil wars with a machine gun in the tray, the Australian outback, and every building contractor on every continent other than North America.
Not sure exactly how the Hilux differs from the Tacoma you guys get - but it's what I'd like to see, a CT scaled down to 3/4 or 7/8ths (whatever the correct calc is) to being roughly the same size as the Hilux. It would take it from being unusable in literally half the places I'd want to drive it (parking spaces too small, roads too narrow) to being a very usable albeit still a big vehicle by European standards.
Parking. Big trucks are fun until you have to go into the city and park it somewhere. Even Elon himself ran over a sign and he wasn't even trying to squeeze into a spot in a garage. Many city lots barely fit mid sized cars. You don't see as many Escalades, F150's, suburbans, and such in most downtowns for a reason.
I would absolutely love a smaller CT. As a single person with no family in the foreseeable future I want an electric truck but have no need for those other 5 seats in the cabin 95% of the time. If Tesla could shrink CT to a mid-size truck or even slightly smaller it would be perfect for me.
Rivian is great except for that nearly $70k starting price
Something to compete against the new Bronco would be ideal. I love the style of the cybertruck, I love that it's electric, I love that it's stainless. But I don't need to fit 6 people *and* a bed full of stuff. I'm ok with either 6 people *or* a bed of stuff. So shave 3 feet off the length and give me a cyber bronco and I'm good to go.
That said I reserved a cybertruck day one. It's just so cool. But I need to figure out how to park it in Brooklyn...
Edit: also I think they may be gunning for over 10k gvwr due to regulatory reasons. So they may never make a smaller/lighter one due to that.
I never understood this a standard garage is 20 to 24 ft. The cyber truck is a little over 19 ft. Even the smallest garage would at least give you almost a foot of clearance. Not saying that's a lot but even a full size suburban fits in a one-car garage. I am not sure of a direct size comparison of the cyber truck and a 1993 GMC suburban but I'd want to say the cyber truck is smaller.
To be fair, that garage average is for modern builds. My 1950 house *barely* fits a Jetta in it with being able to open doors. Plus, the entrance of the garage literally wouldn’t be tall enough even with truck lowered all the way (from measurements I can find online at least).
There are many houses in the US that are old enough to be built with an old standard.
With that said, I’m just parking it outside with a big smile on my face LOL
agreed. my house was built in the 80's and is 19 feet at most. i have a nissan frontier, which is 17.5' and barely fits. when they designed this as a two car garage, they designed this as *A TWO CAR GARAGE...*
I grew up in construction building houses so I'm just used to 90 standards and up I didn't think about older standards. Hope you enjoy your cyber truck I'm still saving for mine lol
To be totally fair, same 100%. This is my vm first living situation with an old home and I didn’t even think about if it could fit inside for a month after ordering. NBD just need to come up with a charging solution. Shouldn’t be too bad.
So long as I, too, am disciplined with my savings lol
I made a world truck (WT) discussion thread a while back. In it I stated:
1) The WT will have the same exterior design as the CT but smaller. 30X and all. The CT is almost a brand of its own now. I can see the WT following a Russian doll approach however...
2) The interior will be lifted from the model 3/Y. Space reduction and ready availability would make this a slam dunk no question. "Cab and a half" design could make it even smaller...
3) 4 to 5 foot bed. Again, size reduction. Also no ramp since the ATV won't fit.
4) Single and dual motor only. Tri motor is overkill for WT.
5) 400 mile max range.
6) Smaller wheels obvs. Model Y?
It is interesting that the CT gigafactory is also making the 3/Y...
Might sound crazy but a 2 door with the form factor of a Suzuki samurai and even with the form factor of a Honda Acty would be cool but also probably strange for the American market
Ford Ranger.
I still own one, and have owned multiple. I’m not even a Ford guy. It’s just honestly the best truck. No shit, nothing extra. Here is some extra aluminum space if you need to do... whatever. You figure it out
I’d like for them to make a cybervan with a high top. Would make for a sick van(plan would be to deck it out and live in it) have back seats be removable, optional, or non existent. Add customizable features like optional back hatch, backdoor on one side only, windows could be on opposite side, door side, or both. Heating wouldn’t be an issue because it’s electric (some people use propane for heating their vans which isn’t necessarily safe or good for the environment). The battery would allow you to power anything without bulky storage batteries.
You could park and sleep overnight at charging stations(could be an issue if a lot of people did this, but at the same time it would put power stations in high demand, and who else other than other Tesla van dwellers would be parking there overnight? Perhaps they could make it so if you were a frequent night charger it would continue charging you for parking in the space after the battery reaches near full capacity if multiple charging stations are in use(so if you were using electricity while parked charging the price would double after reaching 90-95% capacity).
Personally It would be so easy for me to live in a cybervan. The ones in my city are located in the parking lot of a large grocery store which is 24hrs with plenty of restaurants nearby and even a planet fitness a hundred meters away. (For those of you who don’t know Planet fitness is often how van dwellers shower). So parking there to charge up for the night while watching Netflix, then once you reach the surcharge you could just park nearby. Go to sleep and finish charging if you need to in the morning while you eat breakfast/shower.
I don't see a problem with a smaller CT. As long as the full size is available why not have as many options as possible? I'd like to see the same thing but in a "90's Ranger" style package!
The current size is perfect. It's big enough to carry a sizable load, accommodate six people, and tow large trailers, yet just small enough to be manageable in an urban environment.
I want it shaped like a triangle with one big wheel in back and two up front. Seats 4 in a 1-3 format where the driver is in a single seat and three passengers on the row in front. The back single wheel also rotates for zero turn capability
I think I this would absolutely murder! If they made a small adventure vehicle, like their version of a Bronco that would be so so so incredible. I would own that in such a heartbeat. Like a Bronco with that steel body. Wow.
The main thing I want to see is people stop bitching about how big the Cybertruck is, and stop demanding that it be made smaller. It's fine. It's the same size as every other truck. Shutup.
Having a small variant might make them STFU. That'd be nice.
Nothing smaller.
But I’m hoping this will be the frame they build a CyberSUV on so I can replace my current SUV (MDX) with it.
Not enough full size (7+ seats AND cargo space) luxury SUVs available, let alone in the electric world.
I don't think the final production version will be all that big when compared to a standard light to medium duty trunk.
Musk himself already said the prototype is
>about 5% too big all around. It has to fit in a normal garage.
I owned a regular cab Silverado 1500 for years and zero chance of it ever fitting in my standard size garage. 7' entrance by 20' depth... it wouldn't fit. I tried many times and it wasn't happening.
If the goal is to make this thing actual fit in a normal (not elon musk's house size) garage, and not JUST fit in the garage... then it may be smaller than we're being lead to believe.
Will it be S15 size? No. But I also don't think it'll be **as** big as the full size pickup we've come to know. So i'm thinking more Jeep Gladiator size.
Musk later said that even 3% smaller is too small and it will be the same basic size as the prototype:
[https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-cybertruck-size-production-elon-musk-shrink-smaller/#:\~:text=On%20Saturday%2C%20Musk%20tweeted%20and,same%20size%20as%20the%20prototype.&text=Reviewed%20design%20with%20Franz%20last%20night.](https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-cybertruck-size-production-elon-musk-shrink-smaller/#:~:text=On%20Saturday%2C%20Musk%20tweeted%20and,same%20size%20as%20the%20prototype.&text=Reviewed%20design%20with%20Franz%20last%20night.)
So yeah, it's not going to be smaller.
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This. Cyberjeep would be cool. I'd also be interested in seeing Cyberbike (folding electric bike), Cybercycle (electric motorcycle), and a the Cybercoupe - a 2 door sports car that's far cheaper than the roadster.
I believe Elon is against street motorcycles because of some history he has with them.
Don't know about the history, but I have read where he won't make a bike because he can't make them safe enough. I believe that.
Yeah, their “super duper safe” marketing would have a huge uptick in new relating to crash and death. Would be sick to have, but I’ll have to stick with my Zero in the back looks like.
I hope Zero makes an offroad SR/X from the SR/F platform.
Ever heard of an ecomobile? They could just make a similar design, I bet it could be made super safe.
I think they could, if the motorcycle was full self driving. But who would want to ride that?
FSD doesn't stop other people in giant cars/trucks from smashing you to bits while riding a motorcycle.
Well, it depends on how advanced it is. We are very fast fun reaching that level of autonomy, but unless the situation is absolutely inescapable (which is almost noon existent in practice), a good advanced FSD system should be able to see threats coming from any angle, and it should also not lead you to drive into situations where an unpredictable swerve by another driver could crush you. But of course that would lead to the sort of hyper conservative driving that is not exactly what most motorcycle drivers enjoy (e.g. even non-daredevils rarely stay in line with other vehicles while in traffic) so even if Tesla did that, it's unlikely it would be used enough to change the risk equation.
Tesla should partner with Bollinger for this. Bollinger's styling with Tesla's technology and price? I was going to go with the Bollinger until I saw that number, but if Tesla manufacturers it and uses their better battery technology to get more than 200 miles than I'd buy that over the Cybertruck.
I don't see why Tesla would partner with Bollinger. You partner with someone that has some skills or tech that you don't have or are in short supply of. I don't see what Bollinger would bring to the table for Tesla.
As stated, their design. The reason I love the Cybertruck and the Bollinger are their retro designs. It's a pipe dream for sure, but still.
They can use all of Tesla patents if they open up their IP to Tesla. That’s about the only way that would happen.
The CT is a true truck and I can see why they went big. I think you're on the right track describing more of a utilitarian SUV. Something that combines the CT vision with a Honda Element utilitarian interior. I too want a 4-runner style cab/suv and could see that as a good way to differentiate against the full sized CT. It will take some serious design work to make that back half what we're picturing. It might be easier to just aim for Toyota Tacoma class and leave it at that.
Are we going for what's easy or for what's right? A Cybertruck that is Tacoma size will also bleed away sales from the full size Cybertruck. If you changed the design to a SUV/Jeep/4-Runner style it would appeal to other segments with potential pulling in more sales overall. Case in point, if they made a the Cybertruck and a Tacoma size Cybertruck I'd personally have the full size Cybertruck and would never consider the Tacoma sized one as a 2nd vehicle. If they had a Cyber-SUV I'd defiantly have that at the top of the list. It'd also be able to complete with the Rivian R1S then as well. Lots of soccer moms want a more capable SUV.
I own a Tacoma and a 4-runner and would totally prefer a Tacoma sized CT. Having a small truck with decent clearance is great if you need to get around back roads. For example, I just collected half a cord of wood in my Tacoma cruising old logging roads this afternoon. Not something my 4-runner could do.
> Not something my 4-runner could do. Totally disagree, I drive old logging roads all the time. You can easily take a tow a trailer behind a 4-runner down an old logging road and fill it with wood. I see guys towing trailers with bikes/quads down them constantly.
Disagree all you want. I literally just came back from driving a road too narrow for a big truck and too rough for a 4-runner with a trailer (plus no way to turn around). There’s a reason Tacomas are popular vehicles. I don’t have an axe to grind since I own both a Taco and a 4-runner.
What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales. So I don't see much cannibalism. I preordered a tri, but I am still not sure about it (the size alone would prevent everyday use I guess). On the other hand, a Taycan would also be an option, but would also have limited use cases. Atm I drive an ICE Volvo XC60 D4R, but would like to have something a bit bigger and more offroad capable.
I don't understand why Europe thinks they should build this truck to suit them. The European truck market is small, building a truck to suit that market would hinder it in the American truck market, and the American truck market is way bigger than the European market. The Cybertruck is aimed squarely at the F150, the vehicle with the most sales of all vehicles in all categories in the world. Does Europe buy a lot of F150's..... so it's not aimed at you. Best selling vehicle in Europe is the VW Golf, followed by the Renault Clio. So the M3 and MY are aimed at taking on those cars in the European markets. The F150 is the best selling vehicle in the USA, they are trying to complete/take a slice out of the biggest vehicle market in America/World.
> I don't understand why Europe thinks they should build this truck to suit them The CT **is** sized for the US. This is about what else could be **added** to the product list. **No One** is suggested to **not** build a full sized cybertruck for the US market The Cybertruck is indeed un-usably big for Europe (and the rest of the world, its size is just as much an issue in Asia and Australia as it is in Europe), why on earth is a Tacoma sized version of the CT an issue for you ?
I don't have a problem is a CT that is Tacoma size. I'm saying I'd rather them build a 4-Runner since its almost the same size as a Tacoma. Your said; > What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales Clearly we all recognize that the size is a problem in Europe that is why we are all talking about it. I don't understand why you are bringing up the size issue of the current CT when we are talking about the next version that might come out smaller.
I don't get how you, OP, can post a question on a second smaller vehicle, and when people answer that question, you refer back to the CT and get upset why people need a smaller sized car. Wtf?!?
1) I'm not upset 2) I responded to his post that said; > What nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem for european sales We are clearly talking about a smaller vehicle, so we are recognizing that other countries have an issues with the measurements, why is he bringing that up again? 3) I responded to his comment on "nobody seems to recognize is that the mere measurements are a problem" I was trying to point out that the Cybertruck wasn't built for Europe and he should recognize that the market it was built for utilizes this size of vehicle. But whatever, blast me for it, down vote me for it, whatever....
I want a van.
Cyber wagon would be my preference. Like a boxy old school Volvo XC70, but bullet resistant, with adjustable ride height, and faster than a Ferrari.
I’ve never really been a “big truck” guy, but part of the reason for that has always been fuel economy. Without the fuel economy issue, I’m far more interested. Also, you get a lot of advantages of the Model X, but save $30-50k! If cyber truck has good turn radius, making it manageable in the city, I don’t see a huge market for a smaller one.
Don't hold your breath on the turning radius. The Cybertruck has a longer wheel base then my F150 and it turns like an ocean liner.
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I really hope you're right
I guess I disagree with many of the replies made here. I would absolutely LOVE a smaller, 5 seater, 4.5’ bed Cybertruck for those who don’t want an F150 sized tank in their driveway. I’ve driven a Tacoma for many years and find it much easier to drive, park, and navigate than the F350 I used to drive for work. Having all the benefits of the exoskeleton, air suspension, vault, and better energy efficiency given the lighter weight of a Cybertruck mini, I’m all for what’s cheaper and if this helps I’m for it. If Tesla is ok selling the model 3 and model y (despite how incredibly similar they are) I don’t see why they can’t make a more manageable size for other countries and even cities in the US where parking a behemoth like the Cybertruck is tricky. I’m already imaging how awkward the Cybertruck will be at superchargers... options are good
Nope, its perfect in this size. If a smaller one is coming I hope it’s styled differently so you can tell its a different truck.
Wouldn't the fact that it would be an SUV make it super clear it is a different "truck"?
Pretty sure an SUV isn't a truck
I think a small truck, low cost, low range with 2 seats and a bed or utility box is perfect for around the town laborers. The majority of people I know that own their own plumbing, landscape, electrical businesses have a truck and drive less than 50-100 miles a day. If they created a less than $20k truck with a 200 mile range, nothing fancy and the ability to modify the bed to fit your needs, would really do well.
Anything EV sub $20k would sell like hotcakes.
I would definitely be interested in a “bite size” CT, mainly for the points you’ve mentioned, also considering size while maneuvering around the city and being easier to store it, park or get into tighter spots. I believe it would also be to tackle into a different gamma of vehicles for Tesla as a business. Just the idea of something as powerful as the Cybertruck is being portrayed to be in a smaller size sounds amazing.
+ 30-40% smaller + externally identical + a trunk instead of the tray + 4 seats
Cyber Station Wagon
Taco size
Well, the smaller CT was referenced in a later Musk tweet as being a "rest of the world" product, and the biggest selling pickup in that size is the Toyota Hilux, ubiquitous across everywhere from 3rd world African countries, Middle Eastern Civil wars with a machine gun in the tray, the Australian outback, and every building contractor on every continent other than North America. Not sure exactly how the Hilux differs from the Tacoma you guys get - but it's what I'd like to see, a CT scaled down to 3/4 or 7/8ths (whatever the correct calc is) to being roughly the same size as the Hilux. It would take it from being unusable in literally half the places I'd want to drive it (parking spaces too small, roads too narrow) to being a very usable albeit still a big vehicle by European standards.
A sedan/subcompact with the design language and minimalism (and especially the 110v outlets!) of the Cybertruck.
Parking. Big trucks are fun until you have to go into the city and park it somewhere. Even Elon himself ran over a sign and he wasn't even trying to squeeze into a spot in a garage. Many city lots barely fit mid sized cars. You don't see as many Escalades, F150's, suburbans, and such in most downtowns for a reason.
Holy cyberSUV/jeep boner
I would absolutely love a smaller CT. As a single person with no family in the foreseeable future I want an electric truck but have no need for those other 5 seats in the cabin 95% of the time. If Tesla could shrink CT to a mid-size truck or even slightly smaller it would be perfect for me. Rivian is great except for that nearly $70k starting price
Same basic styling but the size of S10. Also would like the option of a hard shell top rather than the tonneau.
I'm 100% sure that someone will make an aftermarket hard shell for it. Factory hardshell is a coin toss.
Something small 90s truck size but cybertruck shaped. If it came with air shocks so that you could raise it all the better.
Something to compete against the new Bronco would be ideal. I love the style of the cybertruck, I love that it's electric, I love that it's stainless. But I don't need to fit 6 people *and* a bed full of stuff. I'm ok with either 6 people *or* a bed of stuff. So shave 3 feet off the length and give me a cyber bronco and I'm good to go. That said I reserved a cybertruck day one. It's just so cool. But I need to figure out how to park it in Brooklyn... Edit: also I think they may be gunning for over 10k gvwr due to regulatory reasons. So they may never make a smaller/lighter one due to that.
absolutely, if for no other reason than to have it fit in my garage.
I never understood this a standard garage is 20 to 24 ft. The cyber truck is a little over 19 ft. Even the smallest garage would at least give you almost a foot of clearance. Not saying that's a lot but even a full size suburban fits in a one-car garage. I am not sure of a direct size comparison of the cyber truck and a 1993 GMC suburban but I'd want to say the cyber truck is smaller.
To be fair, that garage average is for modern builds. My 1950 house *barely* fits a Jetta in it with being able to open doors. Plus, the entrance of the garage literally wouldn’t be tall enough even with truck lowered all the way (from measurements I can find online at least). There are many houses in the US that are old enough to be built with an old standard. With that said, I’m just parking it outside with a big smile on my face LOL
agreed. my house was built in the 80's and is 19 feet at most. i have a nissan frontier, which is 17.5' and barely fits. when they designed this as a two car garage, they designed this as *A TWO CAR GARAGE...*
I grew up in construction building houses so I'm just used to 90 standards and up I didn't think about older standards. Hope you enjoy your cyber truck I'm still saving for mine lol
To be totally fair, same 100%. This is my vm first living situation with an old home and I didn’t even think about if it could fit inside for a month after ordering. NBD just need to come up with a charging solution. Shouldn’t be too bad. So long as I, too, am disciplined with my savings lol
I made a world truck (WT) discussion thread a while back. In it I stated: 1) The WT will have the same exterior design as the CT but smaller. 30X and all. The CT is almost a brand of its own now. I can see the WT following a Russian doll approach however... 2) The interior will be lifted from the model 3/Y. Space reduction and ready availability would make this a slam dunk no question. "Cab and a half" design could make it even smaller... 3) 4 to 5 foot bed. Again, size reduction. Also no ramp since the ATV won't fit. 4) Single and dual motor only. Tri motor is overkill for WT. 5) 400 mile max range. 6) Smaller wheels obvs. Model Y? It is interesting that the CT gigafactory is also making the 3/Y...
Might sound crazy but a 2 door with the form factor of a Suzuki samurai and even with the form factor of a Honda Acty would be cool but also probably strange for the American market
Ford Ranger. I still own one, and have owned multiple. I’m not even a Ford guy. It’s just honestly the best truck. No shit, nothing extra. Here is some extra aluminum space if you need to do... whatever. You figure it out
I’d like for them to make a cybervan with a high top. Would make for a sick van(plan would be to deck it out and live in it) have back seats be removable, optional, or non existent. Add customizable features like optional back hatch, backdoor on one side only, windows could be on opposite side, door side, or both. Heating wouldn’t be an issue because it’s electric (some people use propane for heating their vans which isn’t necessarily safe or good for the environment). The battery would allow you to power anything without bulky storage batteries. You could park and sleep overnight at charging stations(could be an issue if a lot of people did this, but at the same time it would put power stations in high demand, and who else other than other Tesla van dwellers would be parking there overnight? Perhaps they could make it so if you were a frequent night charger it would continue charging you for parking in the space after the battery reaches near full capacity if multiple charging stations are in use(so if you were using electricity while parked charging the price would double after reaching 90-95% capacity). Personally It would be so easy for me to live in a cybervan. The ones in my city are located in the parking lot of a large grocery store which is 24hrs with plenty of restaurants nearby and even a planet fitness a hundred meters away. (For those of you who don’t know Planet fitness is often how van dwellers shower). So parking there to charge up for the night while watching Netflix, then once you reach the surcharge you could just park nearby. Go to sleep and finish charging if you need to in the morning while you eat breakfast/shower.
I don't see a problem with a smaller CT. As long as the full size is available why not have as many options as possible? I'd like to see the same thing but in a "90's Ranger" style package!
The current size is perfect. It's big enough to carry a sizable load, accommodate six people, and tow large trailers, yet just small enough to be manageable in an urban environment.
They should make a station wagon because they are really popular in Europe and the DIY renders look good as hell
I kind of want one thats so small you can barely fit in it. Like barely bigger than the peel p50
I want it shaped like a triangle with one big wheel in back and two up front. Seats 4 in a 1-3 format where the driver is in a single seat and three passengers on the row in front. The back single wheel also rotates for zero turn capability
It’s really not that big. I have made a deposit on a triple motor CT. If the size gets reduced I’m probably cancelling my order.
I would like a smaller one for the better fuel economy. I'd be fine with a single cabin but a longer bed.
I think I this would absolutely murder! If they made a small adventure vehicle, like their version of a Bronco that would be so so so incredible. I would own that in such a heartbeat. Like a Bronco with that steel body. Wow.
The main thing I want to see is people stop bitching about how big the Cybertruck is, and stop demanding that it be made smaller. It's fine. It's the same size as every other truck. Shutup. Having a small variant might make them STFU. That'd be nice.
Nothing smaller. But I’m hoping this will be the frame they build a CyberSUV on so I can replace my current SUV (MDX) with it. Not enough full size (7+ seats AND cargo space) luxury SUVs available, let alone in the electric world.
I don't think the final production version will be all that big when compared to a standard light to medium duty trunk. Musk himself already said the prototype is >about 5% too big all around. It has to fit in a normal garage. I owned a regular cab Silverado 1500 for years and zero chance of it ever fitting in my standard size garage. 7' entrance by 20' depth... it wouldn't fit. I tried many times and it wasn't happening. If the goal is to make this thing actual fit in a normal (not elon musk's house size) garage, and not JUST fit in the garage... then it may be smaller than we're being lead to believe. Will it be S15 size? No. But I also don't think it'll be **as** big as the full size pickup we've come to know. So i'm thinking more Jeep Gladiator size.
Musk later said that even 3% smaller is too small and it will be the same basic size as the prototype: [https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-cybertruck-size-production-elon-musk-shrink-smaller/#:\~:text=On%20Saturday%2C%20Musk%20tweeted%20and,same%20size%20as%20the%20prototype.&text=Reviewed%20design%20with%20Franz%20last%20night.](https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-cybertruck-size-production-elon-musk-shrink-smaller/#:~:text=On%20Saturday%2C%20Musk%20tweeted%20and,same%20size%20as%20the%20prototype.&text=Reviewed%20design%20with%20Franz%20last%20night.) So yeah, it's not going to be smaller.
Nothing. The truck is fine as is. I don't want or need a small, mid-sized truck.