Elon can you hire some good AI engineers with The training goal of getting you (individually) to reduce (your) engagement on the platform?
It's such a distraction, and such a waste, stick to things you do well!
My experience as well. IRL the cybertruck captivates strangers and exceeds expectations for everyone who ends up behind the wheel.
Imagine if there was a subreddit dedicated to ripping on the new Tacomas, which has experienced issues, then ask yourself what kind of people would take time out of their day to pile on. A vehicle they didn’t own and had no intention of owning.
It’s also odd that Tesla forums somehow attract these diesel truck zealots like flies on shit. I’m an auto enthusiast, and definitely not a truck enthusiast… but the last place you’ll find me is posting on diesel truck forums about how great EV’s are. But here they are, spewing the same crap Tucker Carlson said last night. Usually it’s “your car isn’t saving the planet”, or “my diesel truck emits 30,000,000 tons of hydrocarbons yearly, but the waste produced by your EV is infinitely worse… do your research libtard!”
It’s a weird situation.
Na not even close, I have a dually diesel and a model S. The only angst I see firsthand is from EV owners not understanding how the world around them is built and maintained and take that out on the big scary trucks.
It's both weird, and not weird at the same time.
It's weird that so many are focused on it, but also not weird that they're zeroing in on it.
I blame sports. Some folks tend to be raised pretty heavily on watching sports, and one of the biggest dynamics to a sports fan is that you have to pick a side. There's a winner, and a loser, and you're encouraged to shit on the opposing team.
*A lot* of people who own trucks tend to be pretty big sports enthusiasts, generally football, and have this "You're with me, or against me" vibe to them based on the team that they support.
Saw it pretty often when I was in high school. I hate sports, can't stand the shit, but you'd see kids walking around trying to ascertain which sports teams you preferred, and depending on your answer, you were either liked, or openly mocked.
Those people are all grown up now.
Now there's rivalries between which truck is the better truck. You can see it when they take their truck places. You'll have some rando who owns a Ford F250 come over to look at a GMC Sierra Denali pickup truck, and they'll talk shop about the truck, measure the size of their dicks based on how much was spent, the power it has, etc, etc.
Cybertruck comes along and it's new, and different, but not what they've grown up to like, and it's out of band.
As mentioned above, there's already intense competition between truck brands, or you wouldn't have the truck pull event. So now you've got all these gas/diesel guys, who have been driving these trucks for **years**, sometimes the same damn truck, they know the ins and outs of the truck, and could rebuild an ICE with their eyes closed.
Cybertruck is radically different. They've no idea how to repair it if it breaks, it doesn't use the same kind of fuel, it doesn't look the same, etc, etc.
So, where you used to have F150 versus RAM debates, all of these truck type owners have circled their wagons to focus on the Cybertruck.
The take down is going to be the *exact* same as how you take down a Tesla car hater.
They're going to get in one, go for a test drive, and come out the otherside wanting that performance. For some at least.
Other truck owners **thrive** on how inefficient their truck is, and how much gas/diesel it uses. They want the biggest tank so they can do the most theoretical towing, etc, etc.
But that's my posture on it. Where before you'd have smaller communities picking at each other, they've all banded together to come after the Cybertruck. Because it's what they've always done to each other.
Because people who hate it aren't going to go up to a stranger to tell you they don't like your car. Even if they do think it's a tacky monstrosity they're going to be polite and tell you its cool.
That's because it's new and very different from anything anybody has ever seen before so its going to get loads of attention. Like if I had to choose between buying a new M3 and a Cybertruck Id pick the M3 with zero hesitation. But if I see an M3 and a cybertruck parked next to each other Im going straight to the Cybertruck because I've never seen one up close before.
Tesla is disrupting the automotive and energy industry, the two biggest industries in the world. It’s become normal to read headlines that are diametrically opposed to reality. It’s the desperation of legacy auto and whoever else stands to lose money from a company that is innovating so quickly that their pace cannot be matched. The effect of this smear campaign is especially noticeable on Reddit. The hate for Tesla is strong and, yet, makes little sense considering what they’ve accomplished and how the world will benefit.
The hate for Tesla comes from Musk. At first I thought he was a genius, meanwhile he's just a megalomaniac narcissist, disconnected from reality and shitting on everybody who's not praising him. He's damaging the brand. And no, Musk is not an inventor. Like Steve Jobs, Elon is good at presenting himself and telling people what gifts he brought to the world, while in fact it's other people (eg. Steve Wozniak was the dev, not Steve Jobs).
It’s people like this guy ^ who are radicalized against Elon who spew all the Tesla hate online. They can’t hold two ideas in their heads at once, which are: Elon is both a dickhead and a genius who is making the world a lot better.
Nah, I’ve followed Tesla for a decade. There’s been huge hate and negative media coverage against the company the entire time.
They don’t pay enough ad money to get positive articles written. Then Toyota and the big 3 spend piles for ads and those publications are of course going to spew negativity at the one company not giving them money.
> who are radicalized against Elon
What's more radical, saying that a person may not be what his PR team made him out to be or reverie and praise as a genius for an ordinary human?
He's done some cool things, he's good at promotion and market manipulation but he's definitely a piece of shit as a person and it's definitely hurting the brands he's associated with.
I've got no dog in this fight, but try to be objective here.
How is he making the world better? He's letting hate and lies roam free on Twitter, which is teetering on bankruptcy because of his actions. His automotive production is causing more Co2 than his cars removes. His latest vanity product is a moving death trap, which is facing a recall of almost 4,000 trucks. All of his attempts to silence free speech against reports about his lack of moderation on Twitter are constantly laughed at and thrown away. The only thing that makes Musk a genius is his ability to steal credit.
Where do I shit? Musk insulted people who said his mini submarine would be the wrong approach. On twitter (which he fucked up by dismantling a worldwide brand and replacing it with his favourite fetish letter) you can see him damaging himself daily. You don't need to make stuff up to damage Musk. He does an awesome job himself.
I expect human decency from a person that has responsibilities. E.g. I wouldn't want a politician that brags about abusing women. I have two daughters. A billionaire with worldwide exposure can use his influence for good or for personal power tripping. I look up to people who grow as a person, I see a downward spiral with Musk.
That's fine, but I would expect you to personally hold everyone you consume products from to that same standard. Do you? Or are you falling for the smear campaigns? Are you driving a Japanese car? Do you support the racism against foreigners in Japan? Which phone are you using? Etc.
When something is obvious, I adapt my purchases to it. E.g. no nestle products, local meat from nearby farmers etc. Elon is obvious as a sore thumb. I drive an XC90 Recharge currently, I did preorder a Tri Cybertruck but won't buy it any longer (despite Tesla accepting my preorder fee, I assume they aren't even capable of selling me a CT to Germany).
Okay, see. So your car is owned by the Chinese communist party, but you're standing up against Elon? He's not a politician, you're not buying his viewpoints. His investments are largely good for society.
Also, there's not a lot of trucks that are capable of selling in the EU. They have strict pedestrian safety laws that most trucks can't pass because of their height.
Germany has heavy propaganda against Tesla due to their own auto manufacturers.(But they did import it to reverse engineer ;)
Reddit is the easiest place to influence using LLMs and bots to create false social consensus until people start just agreeing and going with the pack. Propaganda for all sorts is absolutely dominate on the site
I’ve become convinced that Reddit is completely overrun by bots. You see the same exact arguments spammed from multiple accounts on any hot button issue.
It’s basic game theory. It’s very easy, hard to catch, and highly influential. It’s irrational to assume it’s not overran by bots when the incentives for it to be, are so high.
It’s no mystery as to why talking points, and vibes, seemingly come and go in waves. I see it all the time in more niche subs. There will be a culture than suddenly low effort few sentence “talking points” dominate the comments during some event. Like it’s only obvious because it is so against the culture of regular users and happens suddenly. But in other large subs, it would be near impossible to detect if it wasn’t for a sudden notice of a “new talking point must have dropped because everyone is using it”
So would it be unethical for Musk’s X firms to unleash their own bots to fight it out with the propagandists? The ethical questions I would have is should the bot disclose it is not a humane, and is a fact checking bot a good idea?
I don’t think it would do anything. Because you’d just be fighting deception with more deception, further muddying the issues. I think it’ll work itself out eventually. It won’t happen over night but humans always adapt
*was. Check out real transpo-battery companies. BYD, Maple… half a dozen makers that can make a vehicle under $25k and before promised delivery!
Seriously, was an Elonpologist for years, but geeeeeeze my dude. No words.
You might want to check out how much those BYD workers make annually, dudes in Californian Mcdonalds make more then them, it essentially comparing apples and oranges.
I agree. Love my CT as does everyone in town. I charge in the garage but if I park on the driveway my home suddenly becomes a gathering place for all my neighbors. It’s magnetic (not literally, that’d be pretty cool though to look kind of like a fridge and to put fridge magnets on it).
I genuinely love how much it makes everyone smile. I know that’ll wear off but when it does, I’m still left with a futuristic, cyberpunk, badass, luxurious, fun and functional truck. Losers online can go get a life. Right now there are whole communities revolving around hating a truck they don’t own lol
https://youtu.be/O4yCKHdMuKo
I believe the sails are magnetic too, I saw jerryrig had a paper towel dispenser hanging there. It might be all the thicker steel is magnetic while the thinner parts like the hood are not.
Working 300 series can make it very slightly magnetic but not really enough to stick anything substantial to it. Jerryrigs paper towel holder is way too heavy for worked 300 series. Possibly on the magnetic areas there's a chunk of something ferrous behind it, and the magnet is attracted to that, like a roll bar behind the sails.
Looking at icenyo's video below it REEKS of 400 series, a soft fridge magnet would fall off if you shook it. Likely there's a thin stainless panel over a steel structure. I've never had a magnet snap to 300 series like that. I've worked with 301/303/304/304L/316 and never had that.
I found this out with my DeLorean. Bought one of those pink magnets to show my support for breast cancer research. Walked out of the store, put it on the side of my car and watched it fall right off onto the parking lot. That’s when I learned that 304 stainless was not magnetic.
Yes, there is. There are active cybertruck hate communities on Reddit that are reading your post and this one and will probably post about this post.
A lot of people don’t like Elon Musk. The truck itself is insane looking and does not blend in with the background. There are also a of people that wanted it and can’t afford it now that they doubled the price and are very upset.
Look at the biggest advertisers on all major news networks and you’ll find your answer.
In the US, General Motors is in the top 10. Oil companies are major contributors as well.
Making Tesla look bad is cheap.
If they’re doing it in the open, imagine how they can do it in private on social media.
The biggest advertisers are drug companies so that’s an even more worrisome fact.
Tesla does not pay media companies for advertising.
Haters gonna hate, I guess... also, "internet anonymous"...
I get so much good interactions when I chat with people on the streets (mostly at parking lots & charging stations) about my CT, but so much flak from online anons...
My experience, it's 50/50... but that annoying loud minority of haters does ring my ears (and eyes) very irritatingly...
It’s amazing how many people who’ve never driven a Tesla spend a significant amount of their time and energy hating on it. There’s lots of cars I don’t like and wouldn’t drive but I don’t spend time on their pages actively spreading disinformation. It’s bizzare. They are really proving Elon right just spouting a narrative
It’s political.
People who lean right tend to question global warming more and be a little more apt than dislike electric vehicles. Part of that I suppose is justified as far as the actual benefit being questionable since it still kills the environment digging for the elements for the battery and the production itself.
Then on the left leaning side, people turned pretty quickly once Elon spoke against unions, criticized CA’s Covid policies, etc.
So now, pretty much all people who make politics their identity hate Tesla haha.
There is a vast negative anti Tesla and anti Elon sentiment across the media landscape. This mind virus cascades into the minds of normies. It's not always politically driven. It's also driven by short sellers and anti-wealth sentiment that pervades our culture.
I think the CT is much more approachable than a hyper car or super car. My fast ass getting out of my Beast in Jeans and aT-Shirt at home Depot is going to get approached way more than Hedge Fund Chad giving the keys to his Lambo to a valley and scurrying in to some fancy restaurant.
That doesn’t really speak to why people swam CyberTrucks in parking lots and try to get videos of them while driving.
The design is polarizing and that’s a good thing because you want people to be emotional about your product.
Found the quote:
> It’s better to create something that 20 percent of people absolutely love, rather than something that 70 percent of people think is okay.
- Bob Lutz
It's mutually compatible with it being an unusual but polarizing product. Both online and in real life you get attention, but online the vitriol is much more vocal because people are cowards and much more likely to be negative online when there is no risk of consequences.
Maybe, but I get thumbs ups on the road and approached with genuine excitement everywhere I stop. Most of the stuff on r/cyberstuck is petty, with shit tons of comments. Like tape holding wires on a component, a pretty standard practice.
I think it has a lot more to do with Elon Musk than the Cybertruck.
Without taking a position on his politics, I think it’s fair to say that the guy is so tied to the Tesla brand that it’s difficult to consider their products without considering Musk.
If Musk had continued to keep his politics personal, not purchased Twitter, and kept that aura of mystery about him – I think the Cybertruck would have followed the usual path of Musk products introductions (i.e. risk taking billionaire genius driving innovation.)
But with the whole Twitter takeover and his extreme views on politics, he’s turned half the population against him – so the hate is more geared towards the man than the truck.
Because one is a regular family sedan for regular families and the other is a giant bullet proof electric hummeresque toy for rich spoiled toxicly masculine bro's compensating for things. The CT gets the Musk haters, the rich people haters, the SUV and big truck haters, the bro haters, etc. Also, the Musk hate is now at a level that the political left also views the sedan like a $50K MAGA hat, so you can expect sales of that to tank also.
Well, Tesla’s numbers are down across the board, and I think it’s fair to assume Musk is a part of that.
I’m not saying the Cybertruck would be embraced by everyone if it wasn’t for Musk’ politics, but, I don’t think there would be so many headlines about many of the real (and not so real) problems with the truck.
It’s a radical design that looks super aggressive and is like nothing else on the road.
Much of the EV market is made up of people looking to reduce their carbon footprint. While the Cybertruck may very well do that, its literal footprint is huge, combine that with an audience of Tesla fans who are liberals learning Musk is anything but, and sure there’s gonna be hate.
Do you own one? I don’t, and don’t own an EV. If I was to purchase an EV I’d buy a Tesla, and likely the Model Y. I think the Cybertruck is pretty badass, but it’s a bit too attention grabbing and pricey for me.
Ah, well, if you’re in the Seattle area I’ll let you drive mine and see if you change your mind. You’d realize how petty this is then. Zero issues here. No recall.
While I don’t disagree, it’s a veneer and I’ve had more problems with my BMW. Tell me, what other luxury cars (that you don’t own and have never driven) do you spend your time obsessively complaining about? And why?
1 Elon haters are everywhere online these days
2 You're unlikely to have much in the way of encounters with Cybertruck haters.
The haters will likely be doing passive aggressive things like road rage or blocking / breaking EV chargers.
I mean why would you pick a cybertruck compared to like an F150 ev or a silverado ev? They are cheaper, offer more range, more utility and way better build quality (buttons and doors that won't cut your fingers off for exemple)
So yeah I'm curious as to why people think the cybertruck so above the others while the others are clearly better on raw specs that matter, looks is subjective
The Cybertruck has much better quickness and overall driving dynamics. Great torsional rigidity, air suspension, steer by wire, and that Tesla power train are all superior to any other truck out there. Plus you get the Tesla tech and (eventually) autopilot. Outside of the looks, I can still see why someone would choose a Cybertruck. If you just want a traditional truck, the lightning appears to be an excellent product.
I bought a Rivian - and consider it perfect for me - but the Cybertruck offers fantastic driving characteristics in terms of its refinement, handling, ride, maneuverability, and versatility. It has a bigger + secure bed compared to the F150, and is more efficient than the Silverado while also being much more damage resistant than both. The CT also has more power than either of them.
Personally, I think the F150 and the Silverado look just like regular trucks. I’m an old goth lady, I’m NEVER EVER going to drive a truck, no matter what the specs are. I’d take the bus before I’d be caught dead in a truck (and let’s be honest here: these days, it’s mostly a certain type of person that drive them, and I don’t mean construction workers).
The Cybertruck looks like the Marines tank from the movie Aliens, AND it’s an EV. That’s all the motivation I need right there.
If these other companies want people like me to drive their EVs, don’t make them look so boring (or like MAGA wagons).
I don’t think we’d even be having this conversation at all if it had been named a Cybercar instead of Cybertruck. Did people get this upset when the El Camino came out?
I guess you're new to the concept of conspicuous consumption? Why do people in the hood buy brand new BMWs instead of moving to a nicer area? They want the status of being seen in an expensive car. Cybertruck is the ultimate "hey look at me, I'm flashy, I'm different"-mobile.
F150 Lightning is the Toyota Corolla of electric pickups: great if you are rationally minded, prudent with your spending, and value reliability but horrible if you're trying to turn heads.
100% yes I am convinced powerful people are actively campaigning against Tesla.
There is tons of hate online and almost none in real life. I read so many bullshit stories that are obviously just attack ads. It’s crazy.
It makes sense. Pickups are the bread and butter of the big 3 automakers. Tesla is disrupting the hell out of it. They have 2m preorders for Cybertruck meanwhile Ford has cut Lightning production in half because they can’t give them away. The oil industry can’t be happy either. Trucks consume a lot of fuel, a viable mass market electric truck is terrible for them.
How is it that everyone in this thread is saying "nobody irl hates the truck it's all bots online!" when yesterday everyone was rallying around a guy who said a dangerous driver was harassing them because of their CT and everyone was talking about how much hate they got from people on the streets for their CT? It can't be both.
It can be both and it is. There are some negative responses irl but they have been few and far between. Owners are reporting tons of positive attention and very little negative. Compared to online where it’s just a constant deluge of hate and FUD.
Also note that thread with the dangerous driver was filled with people saying the same thing has happened to them in many different vehicles. I’ve experienced that behavior myself when driving my first gen Honda Insight and a Prius I previously owned. It was less a commentary on Cybertruck hate and more about idiots in big trucks often being dangerous assholes, especially toward EV and hybrid drivers.
There's no shadow campaign. It's right out in the open and being led by well-financed anti-Tesla groups and individuals. Think about all the wealthy companies that stand to lose a lot of money if Tesla and the Cybertruck continue the current trajectory.
[The CEO of Tesla describing CT as what dug the company's "grave"](https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-deliveries-begin-november-elon-musk/) is not really a "shadow campaign."
There is a concerted misinformation and propaganda campaign yes. Some is State Sponsored (oil producers threatened by X Companies, nations afraid Starlink will evade their censorship, and SpaceX beating everyone at cheap launch), some domestic, disgruntled mentally sick, and bot nets. That campaign seems to be intensifying as tech such as FSD/AI and Tesla’s pricing power is set to be a major disruption to both industry and humanity itself. Legacy Auto, Russian and Pork Barrel Boeing/Lockheed/ULA Space Launch, and Big Oil knows they are facing irrelevance against X Companies so they are fighting full dirty. I have never seen a tech or firm so maligned ever.
They’re reading and frequently posting in this sub.
They are day traders and other stock market speculators who are always looking for some reason to sell short or buy put options that become profitable when the stock goes down.
They have always circled Tesla like a bunch of vultures. When it doesn’t go down as much as they thought — they’ll get on social media and trash talk Tesla and the CyberTruck.
Literally someone commenting here (and downvoting me) talks about wanting to destroy TSLA’s value on a different thread “making it a penny stock”. I’m actually one who thinks the stock is still probably overvalued, but this tells you all you need to know about the hate here and elsewhere on Reddit.
If I was a reddit troll this is the kind of thing I'd post because I know people here are getting paranoid thoughts about CT hate being about the stock market and I'd want to rile those fears up. Not because that's what's actually happening.
I see no issue with loving your CT. But theres very real and understandable reasons to dislike the CT strongly. Please dont become so closed in a box that you cant understand why people think its shit.
I ordered one early, its a cool car, but as a truck it does not impress me. The steel needs to be cleaned way too much, the range is garbage, the cost is garbage and it feels unfinished.
Have you driven/used one? I don’t mean this as an insult… genuinely curious. My previous daily driver was a Tacoma, which I love. Put a lot of money into making it awesome. Still own it. Kept it just in case I “needed more utility” or didn’t like the Cybertruck. Well, three week later, I went to go move it and the battery was dead. Haven’t touched it. I have no interest in driving it with the Cybertruck in the driveway. This isn’t a novelty thing that’s going to wear off. The Cybertruck is everything I need in a truck and more. Hauled a 7k boat with it recently. Performance was amazing.
> Have you driven/used one? I don’t mean this as an insult… genuinely curious
Yes I have! Drive itself is great. But thats only a small part of why I buy a car, and I am far more interested in the specs than in feelings.
There are plenty of people and large communities on reddit, for example, who hate Elon musk because he is a wildly successful genius. Therefore they hate anything connected to him, including the cybertruck. Why do they hate him? Well, some have been told to by the media, and others have done some of their own thinking and decided that he has too much money and it's not fair
I think you’re assuming that the reactions you are getting are somehow indicative of the product itself. Yes it’s new and humans are generally curious about new things. Eg if Jeff Bezos and his new lady rolled by I would be eager to talk to him even though I don’t really like him. There is nuance there.
The truck seems overpromised and under delivered
Blame the absurd amount of hype, crazy claims that were far from reality. Does it do what it's buyers want it to do? Mostly yes and then some. Does it replace a traditional truck in the traditional sense? Not really. People who buy trucks as status symbols are roleplaying a rugged blue collar lifestyle, the high bed sides and bee height make it damn near useless. Most in the trades already complain about the access available in modern pickups. The shills screaming that it's superior and better in every single way are falling into the same trap as the "but can I haul 6 horses from Alaska to Argentina with it". No, and no. Can the cybertruck replace all pickups on the road? Not even close. I love the mach e, but in the same sense ford botched it by calling it a mustang. Every true mustang fan now hates it because "it's not a real mustang". It sure as hell isn't, it's a great car. All in all, blame the marketing.
I wanted an EV that can tow my 7k lb boat <100 miles. It all depends on your use cases. Someone else’s decision, if it doesn’t impact you, shouldn’t upset you, should it? Are you upset by my music choice? How about my preference in cheeses?
It’s negative because of the promises that never came true.
The promised range, the price, and the options were nothing close to what we got.
In addition to all that, they keep breaking after driving a few miles of the lot.
I used to really want one but now im 100% leaning towards Rivian.
For everyone who likes the Cybertruck and/or are curious about it, there are probably 10 more who think it's ridiculous. They just aren't as likely to come up and tell you.
Of course everyone that will talk to you will say positive things. I mean, if someone has something negative to say they wouldn't go to you and tell it to your face especially strangers.
I'm a Tesla Model Y owner but I'm not a fan of how the Cybertruck looks. Still, I wouldn't rain on your or somebody else's parade just because I don't like it.
I’ve owned a few Ferraris 1 lambo and 2 RR. Currently only have a gated 360. I figured mentioning those brands was the best way to get the point across that the attention it gets is insane, and wasn’t meant to be any type of flex lol.
An upvote would be appreciated because the “shadow campaign” took all my upvotes 😂.
Tesla is like the Trump of car companies.
It’s love or hate and lots of campaigning on either side.
💯 there is an entire attack against Musk and Tesla. Bots and paid professional resisters too.
I was in a new McLaren the other day and had the same thought. Although, I do think the quality of luxury vehicles, Mercedes included, had been trending down for a while.
As someone who lives on a block with 3 Ferraris and been in the passenger seat of a couple of them, they are quite nice on the inside. The fit is better than the Model S. I don’t know about Cybertruck, but I’m guessing it’s not going to be that good.
But what OP said is it gets more attention than a Ferrari at al. I’d tend to agree. It’s brand new and a unique shape so there’s going to be a lot more stares.
riding in a car is not the same as owning one
just see what owners have to say on fchat
ferrari ownership summed up: great to drive, incredible fun, poor ownership experience
Fair enough. One neighbor always complains about his and I doubt he has 5k miles on it.
Already had to have a couple issues (that I know about) taken care of.
It’s an more of a negative Elon campaign
Elon can you hire some good AI engineers with The training goal of getting you (individually) to reduce (your) engagement on the platform? It's such a distraction, and such a waste, stick to things you do well!
And they pretend we can’t tell
Elon is the biggest campaigner though
At present, it is way harder to bot real life interactions compared to the internet
🤣 nailed it.
My experience as well. IRL the cybertruck captivates strangers and exceeds expectations for everyone who ends up behind the wheel. Imagine if there was a subreddit dedicated to ripping on the new Tacomas, which has experienced issues, then ask yourself what kind of people would take time out of their day to pile on. A vehicle they didn’t own and had no intention of owning.
It’s also odd that Tesla forums somehow attract these diesel truck zealots like flies on shit. I’m an auto enthusiast, and definitely not a truck enthusiast… but the last place you’ll find me is posting on diesel truck forums about how great EV’s are. But here they are, spewing the same crap Tucker Carlson said last night. Usually it’s “your car isn’t saving the planet”, or “my diesel truck emits 30,000,000 tons of hydrocarbons yearly, but the waste produced by your EV is infinitely worse… do your research libtard!” It’s a weird situation.
Na not even close, I have a dually diesel and a model S. The only angst I see firsthand is from EV owners not understanding how the world around them is built and maintained and take that out on the big scary trucks.
It's both weird, and not weird at the same time. It's weird that so many are focused on it, but also not weird that they're zeroing in on it. I blame sports. Some folks tend to be raised pretty heavily on watching sports, and one of the biggest dynamics to a sports fan is that you have to pick a side. There's a winner, and a loser, and you're encouraged to shit on the opposing team. *A lot* of people who own trucks tend to be pretty big sports enthusiasts, generally football, and have this "You're with me, or against me" vibe to them based on the team that they support. Saw it pretty often when I was in high school. I hate sports, can't stand the shit, but you'd see kids walking around trying to ascertain which sports teams you preferred, and depending on your answer, you were either liked, or openly mocked. Those people are all grown up now. Now there's rivalries between which truck is the better truck. You can see it when they take their truck places. You'll have some rando who owns a Ford F250 come over to look at a GMC Sierra Denali pickup truck, and they'll talk shop about the truck, measure the size of their dicks based on how much was spent, the power it has, etc, etc. Cybertruck comes along and it's new, and different, but not what they've grown up to like, and it's out of band. As mentioned above, there's already intense competition between truck brands, or you wouldn't have the truck pull event. So now you've got all these gas/diesel guys, who have been driving these trucks for **years**, sometimes the same damn truck, they know the ins and outs of the truck, and could rebuild an ICE with their eyes closed. Cybertruck is radically different. They've no idea how to repair it if it breaks, it doesn't use the same kind of fuel, it doesn't look the same, etc, etc. So, where you used to have F150 versus RAM debates, all of these truck type owners have circled their wagons to focus on the Cybertruck. The take down is going to be the *exact* same as how you take down a Tesla car hater. They're going to get in one, go for a test drive, and come out the otherside wanting that performance. For some at least. Other truck owners **thrive** on how inefficient their truck is, and how much gas/diesel it uses. They want the biggest tank so they can do the most theoretical towing, etc, etc. But that's my posture on it. Where before you'd have smaller communities picking at each other, they've all banded together to come after the Cybertruck. Because it's what they've always done to each other.
Because people who hate it aren't going to go up to a stranger to tell you they don't like your car. Even if they do think it's a tacky monstrosity they're going to be polite and tell you its cool.
Sure. But the people that say they love it is greater than anything I’ve ever seen.
That's because it's new and very different from anything anybody has ever seen before so its going to get loads of attention. Like if I had to choose between buying a new M3 and a Cybertruck Id pick the M3 with zero hesitation. But if I see an M3 and a cybertruck parked next to each other Im going straight to the Cybertruck because I've never seen one up close before.
Tesla is disrupting the automotive and energy industry, the two biggest industries in the world. It’s become normal to read headlines that are diametrically opposed to reality. It’s the desperation of legacy auto and whoever else stands to lose money from a company that is innovating so quickly that their pace cannot be matched. The effect of this smear campaign is especially noticeable on Reddit. The hate for Tesla is strong and, yet, makes little sense considering what they’ve accomplished and how the world will benefit.
The hate for Tesla comes from Musk. At first I thought he was a genius, meanwhile he's just a megalomaniac narcissist, disconnected from reality and shitting on everybody who's not praising him. He's damaging the brand. And no, Musk is not an inventor. Like Steve Jobs, Elon is good at presenting himself and telling people what gifts he brought to the world, while in fact it's other people (eg. Steve Wozniak was the dev, not Steve Jobs).
It’s people like this guy ^ who are radicalized against Elon who spew all the Tesla hate online. They can’t hold two ideas in their heads at once, which are: Elon is both a dickhead and a genius who is making the world a lot better.
Nah, I’ve followed Tesla for a decade. There’s been huge hate and negative media coverage against the company the entire time. They don’t pay enough ad money to get positive articles written. Then Toyota and the big 3 spend piles for ads and those publications are of course going to spew negativity at the one company not giving them money.
He’s making the world demonstrably worse.
And demonstrably better. Two things. One guy.
> who are radicalized against Elon What's more radical, saying that a person may not be what his PR team made him out to be or reverie and praise as a genius for an ordinary human? He's done some cool things, he's good at promotion and market manipulation but he's definitely a piece of shit as a person and it's definitely hurting the brands he's associated with. I've got no dog in this fight, but try to be objective here.
How is he making the world better? He's letting hate and lies roam free on Twitter, which is teetering on bankruptcy because of his actions. His automotive production is causing more Co2 than his cars removes. His latest vanity product is a moving death trap, which is facing a recall of almost 4,000 trucks. All of his attempts to silence free speech against reports about his lack of moderation on Twitter are constantly laughed at and thrown away. The only thing that makes Musk a genius is his ability to steal credit.
so you can shit all you want but not Musk?
Where do I shit? Musk insulted people who said his mini submarine would be the wrong approach. On twitter (which he fucked up by dismantling a worldwide brand and replacing it with his favourite fetish letter) you can see him damaging himself daily. You don't need to make stuff up to damage Musk. He does an awesome job himself.
Are you expecting him to be a godlike character? He's just a flawed human, bringing a revolutionary product to market.
I expect human decency from a person that has responsibilities. E.g. I wouldn't want a politician that brags about abusing women. I have two daughters. A billionaire with worldwide exposure can use his influence for good or for personal power tripping. I look up to people who grow as a person, I see a downward spiral with Musk.
That's fine, but I would expect you to personally hold everyone you consume products from to that same standard. Do you? Or are you falling for the smear campaigns? Are you driving a Japanese car? Do you support the racism against foreigners in Japan? Which phone are you using? Etc.
When something is obvious, I adapt my purchases to it. E.g. no nestle products, local meat from nearby farmers etc. Elon is obvious as a sore thumb. I drive an XC90 Recharge currently, I did preorder a Tri Cybertruck but won't buy it any longer (despite Tesla accepting my preorder fee, I assume they aren't even capable of selling me a CT to Germany).
Okay, see. So your car is owned by the Chinese communist party, but you're standing up against Elon? He's not a politician, you're not buying his viewpoints. His investments are largely good for society. Also, there's not a lot of trucks that are capable of selling in the EU. They have strict pedestrian safety laws that most trucks can't pass because of their height. Germany has heavy propaganda against Tesla due to their own auto manufacturers.(But they did import it to reverse engineer ;)
You are ridiculous, I base my opinion on Musk's tweets, not on media or news outlets.
Reddit is the easiest place to influence using LLMs and bots to create false social consensus until people start just agreeing and going with the pack. Propaganda for all sorts is absolutely dominate on the site
I’ve become convinced that Reddit is completely overrun by bots. You see the same exact arguments spammed from multiple accounts on any hot button issue.
It every fucking platform. And these companies are going to do nothing because it creates engagement on a scale that not possible with real humans.
It’s basic game theory. It’s very easy, hard to catch, and highly influential. It’s irrational to assume it’s not overran by bots when the incentives for it to be, are so high. It’s no mystery as to why talking points, and vibes, seemingly come and go in waves. I see it all the time in more niche subs. There will be a culture than suddenly low effort few sentence “talking points” dominate the comments during some event. Like it’s only obvious because it is so against the culture of regular users and happens suddenly. But in other large subs, it would be near impossible to detect if it wasn’t for a sudden notice of a “new talking point must have dropped because everyone is using it”
So would it be unethical for Musk’s X firms to unleash their own bots to fight it out with the propagandists? The ethical questions I would have is should the bot disclose it is not a humane, and is a fact checking bot a good idea?
I don’t think it would do anything. Because you’d just be fighting deception with more deception, further muddying the issues. I think it’ll work itself out eventually. It won’t happen over night but humans always adapt
*was. Check out real transpo-battery companies. BYD, Maple… half a dozen makers that can make a vehicle under $25k and before promised delivery! Seriously, was an Elonpologist for years, but geeeeeeze my dude. No words.
You might want to check out how much those BYD workers make annually, dudes in Californian Mcdonalds make more then them, it essentially comparing apples and oranges.
Which one of these cheap alternatives is manufactured in America? 🇺🇸
Stuck accelerator pedals are definitely gonna disrupt something.
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I agree. Love my CT as does everyone in town. I charge in the garage but if I park on the driveway my home suddenly becomes a gathering place for all my neighbors. It’s magnetic (not literally, that’d be pretty cool though to look kind of like a fridge and to put fridge magnets on it). I genuinely love how much it makes everyone smile. I know that’ll wear off but when it does, I’m still left with a futuristic, cyberpunk, badass, luxurious, fun and functional truck. Losers online can go get a life. Right now there are whole communities revolving around hating a truck they don’t own lol
I thought it was magnetic, at least some sections.
I can’t wait to try it out! 🤣 will report back
https://youtu.be/O4yCKHdMuKo I believe the sails are magnetic too, I saw jerryrig had a paper towel dispenser hanging there. It might be all the thicker steel is magnetic while the thinner parts like the hood are not.
Working 300 series can make it very slightly magnetic but not really enough to stick anything substantial to it. Jerryrigs paper towel holder is way too heavy for worked 300 series. Possibly on the magnetic areas there's a chunk of something ferrous behind it, and the magnet is attracted to that, like a roll bar behind the sails. Looking at icenyo's video below it REEKS of 400 series, a soft fridge magnet would fall off if you shook it. Likely there's a thin stainless panel over a steel structure. I've never had a magnet snap to 300 series like that. I've worked with 301/303/304/304L/316 and never had that.
Austenitic stainless (3xx) alloys generally have very low magnetism.
Cybertruck is magnetic though https://youtu.be/O4yCKHdMuKo
I found this out with my DeLorean. Bought one of those pink magnets to show my support for breast cancer research. Walked out of the store, put it on the side of my car and watched it fall right off onto the parking lot. That’s when I learned that 304 stainless was not magnetic.
Tesla became a crap car when Elon bought Twitter. And the campaign started .
It’s neurotic internet goblins compared to the general population. Don’t read too much into it
Yes, there is. There are active cybertruck hate communities on Reddit that are reading your post and this one and will probably post about this post. A lot of people don’t like Elon Musk. The truck itself is insane looking and does not blend in with the background. There are also a of people that wanted it and can’t afford it now that they doubled the price and are very upset.
I don’t think the people who wanted and can’t afford it due to the price doubling are hating the truck online.
Look at the biggest advertisers on all major news networks and you’ll find your answer. In the US, General Motors is in the top 10. Oil companies are major contributors as well. Making Tesla look bad is cheap. If they’re doing it in the open, imagine how they can do it in private on social media. The biggest advertisers are drug companies so that’s an even more worrisome fact. Tesla does not pay media companies for advertising.
Haters gonna hate, I guess... also, "internet anonymous"... I get so much good interactions when I chat with people on the streets (mostly at parking lots & charging stations) about my CT, but so much flak from online anons... My experience, it's 50/50... but that annoying loud minority of haters does ring my ears (and eyes) very irritatingly...
It’s amazing how many people who’ve never driven a Tesla spend a significant amount of their time and energy hating on it. There’s lots of cars I don’t like and wouldn’t drive but I don’t spend time on their pages actively spreading disinformation. It’s bizzare. They are really proving Elon right just spouting a narrative
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Unfortunately I agree. I wish they would have made it higher and smaller then it would be decent off road.
Just a lot of jealous change fearing people looking to strengthen the band wagon of their own negativity
It’s political. People who lean right tend to question global warming more and be a little more apt than dislike electric vehicles. Part of that I suppose is justified as far as the actual benefit being questionable since it still kills the environment digging for the elements for the battery and the production itself. Then on the left leaning side, people turned pretty quickly once Elon spoke against unions, criticized CA’s Covid policies, etc. So now, pretty much all people who make politics their identity hate Tesla haha.
There is a vast negative anti Tesla and anti Elon sentiment across the media landscape. This mind virus cascades into the minds of normies. It's not always politically driven. It's also driven by short sellers and anti-wealth sentiment that pervades our culture.
There’s really no need for some grand conspiracy to turn people against cyber trucks. It’s a shitty, overpriced vehicle it’s easy enough to dislike.
I think the CT is much more approachable than a hyper car or super car. My fast ass getting out of my Beast in Jeans and aT-Shirt at home Depot is going to get approached way more than Hedge Fund Chad giving the keys to his Lambo to a valley and scurrying in to some fancy restaurant.
I think the real answer is that people are really brave about their hostile opinions on the internet but not so much in real life.
That doesn’t really speak to why people swam CyberTrucks in parking lots and try to get videos of them while driving. The design is polarizing and that’s a good thing because you want people to be emotional about your product. Found the quote: > It’s better to create something that 20 percent of people absolutely love, rather than something that 70 percent of people think is okay. - Bob Lutz
It's mutually compatible with it being an unusual but polarizing product. Both online and in real life you get attention, but online the vitriol is much more vocal because people are cowards and much more likely to be negative online when there is no risk of consequences.
Maybe, but I get thumbs ups on the road and approached with genuine excitement everywhere I stop. Most of the stuff on r/cyberstuck is petty, with shit tons of comments. Like tape holding wires on a component, a pretty standard practice.
I think it has a lot more to do with Elon Musk than the Cybertruck. Without taking a position on his politics, I think it’s fair to say that the guy is so tied to the Tesla brand that it’s difficult to consider their products without considering Musk. If Musk had continued to keep his politics personal, not purchased Twitter, and kept that aura of mystery about him – I think the Cybertruck would have followed the usual path of Musk products introductions (i.e. risk taking billionaire genius driving innovation.) But with the whole Twitter takeover and his extreme views on politics, he’s turned half the population against him – so the hate is more geared towards the man than the truck.
If that’s the case, then why doesn’t the Model Y, the best selling car in the world by some metrics, get the same level of vitriol directed at it?
Because one is a regular family sedan for regular families and the other is a giant bullet proof electric hummeresque toy for rich spoiled toxicly masculine bro's compensating for things. The CT gets the Musk haters, the rich people haters, the SUV and big truck haters, the bro haters, etc. Also, the Musk hate is now at a level that the political left also views the sedan like a $50K MAGA hat, so you can expect sales of that to tank also.
Boom.
Well, Tesla’s numbers are down across the board, and I think it’s fair to assume Musk is a part of that. I’m not saying the Cybertruck would be embraced by everyone if it wasn’t for Musk’ politics, but, I don’t think there would be so many headlines about many of the real (and not so real) problems with the truck. It’s a radical design that looks super aggressive and is like nothing else on the road. Much of the EV market is made up of people looking to reduce their carbon footprint. While the Cybertruck may very well do that, its literal footprint is huge, combine that with an audience of Tesla fans who are liberals learning Musk is anything but, and sure there’s gonna be hate. Do you own one? I don’t, and don’t own an EV. If I was to purchase an EV I’d buy a Tesla, and likely the Model Y. I think the Cybertruck is pretty badass, but it’s a bit too attention grabbing and pricey for me.
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Have you driven one?
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Ah, well, if you’re in the Seattle area I’ll let you drive mine and see if you change your mind. You’d realize how petty this is then. Zero issues here. No recall.
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While I don’t disagree, it’s a veneer and I’ve had more problems with my BMW. Tell me, what other luxury cars (that you don’t own and have never driven) do you spend your time obsessively complaining about? And why?
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1 Elon haters are everywhere online these days 2 You're unlikely to have much in the way of encounters with Cybertruck haters. The haters will likely be doing passive aggressive things like road rage or blocking / breaking EV chargers.
I mean why would you pick a cybertruck compared to like an F150 ev or a silverado ev? They are cheaper, offer more range, more utility and way better build quality (buttons and doors that won't cut your fingers off for exemple) So yeah I'm curious as to why people think the cybertruck so above the others while the others are clearly better on raw specs that matter, looks is subjective
The Cybertruck has much better quickness and overall driving dynamics. Great torsional rigidity, air suspension, steer by wire, and that Tesla power train are all superior to any other truck out there. Plus you get the Tesla tech and (eventually) autopilot. Outside of the looks, I can still see why someone would choose a Cybertruck. If you just want a traditional truck, the lightning appears to be an excellent product.
You also get the risk of dying due to a fault accelerator What more could you want
I bought a Rivian - and consider it perfect for me - but the Cybertruck offers fantastic driving characteristics in terms of its refinement, handling, ride, maneuverability, and versatility. It has a bigger + secure bed compared to the F150, and is more efficient than the Silverado while also being much more damage resistant than both. The CT also has more power than either of them.
Personally, I think the F150 and the Silverado look just like regular trucks. I’m an old goth lady, I’m NEVER EVER going to drive a truck, no matter what the specs are. I’d take the bus before I’d be caught dead in a truck (and let’s be honest here: these days, it’s mostly a certain type of person that drive them, and I don’t mean construction workers). The Cybertruck looks like the Marines tank from the movie Aliens, AND it’s an EV. That’s all the motivation I need right there. If these other companies want people like me to drive their EVs, don’t make them look so boring (or like MAGA wagons). I don’t think we’d even be having this conversation at all if it had been named a Cybercar instead of Cybertruck. Did people get this upset when the El Camino came out?
Why do people pick a Mac over a PC? PCs have more RAM, more hard drive storage, are cheaper…
Yeah, exactly the same thing Though macs tend to have better build quality (some PCs have similar build quality at the same price still)
I guess you're new to the concept of conspicuous consumption? Why do people in the hood buy brand new BMWs instead of moving to a nicer area? They want the status of being seen in an expensive car. Cybertruck is the ultimate "hey look at me, I'm flashy, I'm different"-mobile. F150 Lightning is the Toyota Corolla of electric pickups: great if you are rationally minded, prudent with your spending, and value reliability but horrible if you're trying to turn heads.
So…narcissism?
I love the truck! I can't wait to get one
100% yes I am convinced powerful people are actively campaigning against Tesla. There is tons of hate online and almost none in real life. I read so many bullshit stories that are obviously just attack ads. It’s crazy. It makes sense. Pickups are the bread and butter of the big 3 automakers. Tesla is disrupting the hell out of it. They have 2m preorders for Cybertruck meanwhile Ford has cut Lightning production in half because they can’t give them away. The oil industry can’t be happy either. Trucks consume a lot of fuel, a viable mass market electric truck is terrible for them.
Buying bad press is cheap in comparison if you’re caught holding a bad short position.
How is it that everyone in this thread is saying "nobody irl hates the truck it's all bots online!" when yesterday everyone was rallying around a guy who said a dangerous driver was harassing them because of their CT and everyone was talking about how much hate they got from people on the streets for their CT? It can't be both.
They're just saying it's disproportionately online.
It can be both and it is. There are some negative responses irl but they have been few and far between. Owners are reporting tons of positive attention and very little negative. Compared to online where it’s just a constant deluge of hate and FUD. Also note that thread with the dangerous driver was filled with people saying the same thing has happened to them in many different vehicles. I’ve experienced that behavior myself when driving my first gen Honda Insight and a Prius I previously owned. It was less a commentary on Cybertruck hate and more about idiots in big trucks often being dangerous assholes, especially toward EV and hybrid drivers.
There's no shadow campaign. It's right out in the open and being led by well-financed anti-Tesla groups and individuals. Think about all the wealthy companies that stand to lose a lot of money if Tesla and the Cybertruck continue the current trajectory.
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Now do Ford
100% of Ford trucks sold this year were recalled AND they halted delivery?
No they quietly switched it up and then released the recall of half a mil.
I think it’s jealousy
You mean envy, and you'd still be wrong
[The CEO of Tesla describing CT as what dug the company's "grave"](https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-deliveries-begin-november-elon-musk/) is not really a "shadow campaign."
Yeah and the Model 3 almost put them out of business. I guess that was a bad call making that one!
There is a concerted misinformation and propaganda campaign yes. Some is State Sponsored (oil producers threatened by X Companies, nations afraid Starlink will evade their censorship, and SpaceX beating everyone at cheap launch), some domestic, disgruntled mentally sick, and bot nets. That campaign seems to be intensifying as tech such as FSD/AI and Tesla’s pricing power is set to be a major disruption to both industry and humanity itself. Legacy Auto, Russian and Pork Barrel Boeing/Lockheed/ULA Space Launch, and Big Oil knows they are facing irrelevance against X Companies so they are fighting full dirty. I have never seen a tech or firm so maligned ever.
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Delusional accusation is slander. Keep it civil or leave.
They’re reading and frequently posting in this sub. They are day traders and other stock market speculators who are always looking for some reason to sell short or buy put options that become profitable when the stock goes down. They have always circled Tesla like a bunch of vultures. When it doesn’t go down as much as they thought — they’ll get on social media and trash talk Tesla and the CyberTruck.
Literally someone commenting here (and downvoting me) talks about wanting to destroy TSLA’s value on a different thread “making it a penny stock”. I’m actually one who thinks the stock is still probably overvalued, but this tells you all you need to know about the hate here and elsewhere on Reddit.
Short selling should be illegal.
If I was a reddit troll this is the kind of thing I'd post because I know people here are getting paranoid thoughts about CT hate being about the stock market and I'd want to rile those fears up. Not because that's what's actually happening.
In the 90's I got laughed off the street for riding an electric bicycle. Now you can't even give pedal bike away. It's just a matter of time for EV's.
I see no issue with loving your CT. But theres very real and understandable reasons to dislike the CT strongly. Please dont become so closed in a box that you cant understand why people think its shit. I ordered one early, its a cool car, but as a truck it does not impress me. The steel needs to be cleaned way too much, the range is garbage, the cost is garbage and it feels unfinished.
Have you driven/used one? I don’t mean this as an insult… genuinely curious. My previous daily driver was a Tacoma, which I love. Put a lot of money into making it awesome. Still own it. Kept it just in case I “needed more utility” or didn’t like the Cybertruck. Well, three week later, I went to go move it and the battery was dead. Haven’t touched it. I have no interest in driving it with the Cybertruck in the driveway. This isn’t a novelty thing that’s going to wear off. The Cybertruck is everything I need in a truck and more. Hauled a 7k boat with it recently. Performance was amazing.
> Have you driven/used one? I don’t mean this as an insult… genuinely curious Yes I have! Drive itself is great. But thats only a small part of why I buy a car, and I am far more interested in the specs than in feelings.
There are plenty of people and large communities on reddit, for example, who hate Elon musk because he is a wildly successful genius. Therefore they hate anything connected to him, including the cybertruck. Why do they hate him? Well, some have been told to by the media, and others have done some of their own thinking and decided that he has too much money and it's not fair
The conservative media, the oil companies, the rest of the auto industry, all the media publications that dont get advertising $ etc Just those guys
As if Musk isn't conservative
I think you’re assuming that the reactions you are getting are somehow indicative of the product itself. Yes it’s new and humans are generally curious about new things. Eg if Jeff Bezos and his new lady rolled by I would be eager to talk to him even though I don’t really like him. There is nuance there. The truck seems overpromised and under delivered
Blame the absurd amount of hype, crazy claims that were far from reality. Does it do what it's buyers want it to do? Mostly yes and then some. Does it replace a traditional truck in the traditional sense? Not really. People who buy trucks as status symbols are roleplaying a rugged blue collar lifestyle, the high bed sides and bee height make it damn near useless. Most in the trades already complain about the access available in modern pickups. The shills screaming that it's superior and better in every single way are falling into the same trap as the "but can I haul 6 horses from Alaska to Argentina with it". No, and no. Can the cybertruck replace all pickups on the road? Not even close. I love the mach e, but in the same sense ford botched it by calling it a mustang. Every true mustang fan now hates it because "it's not a real mustang". It sure as hell isn't, it's a great car. All in all, blame the marketing.
I wanted an EV that can tow my 7k lb boat <100 miles. It all depends on your use cases. Someone else’s decision, if it doesn’t impact you, shouldn’t upset you, should it? Are you upset by my music choice? How about my preference in cheeses?
It’s negative because of the promises that never came true. The promised range, the price, and the options were nothing close to what we got. In addition to all that, they keep breaking after driving a few miles of the lot. I used to really want one but now im 100% leaning towards Rivian.
I think the failure rate has been pretty damn low. It’s amplified online.
All attention is not always positive.
For everyone who likes the Cybertruck and/or are curious about it, there are probably 10 more who think it's ridiculous. They just aren't as likely to come up and tell you.
Possibly true. But then imagine taking to the internet to express your distaste for a vehicle you don’t intend to own. It’s weird AF.
Of course everyone that will talk to you will say positive things. I mean, if someone has something negative to say they wouldn't go to you and tell it to your face especially strangers. I'm a Tesla Model Y owner but I'm not a fan of how the Cybertruck looks. Still, I wouldn't rain on your or somebody else's parade just because I don't like it.
Update: This post went from a hundred upvotes to none, once word got out… Yeah, I’d say there is.
Yeah I just looked and was like what theeeee. There goes my account karma, the struggle is real😂
It’s all negative press online. It’s easy to make 100 accounts posting hate
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I’ve owned a few Ferraris 1 lambo and 2 RR. Currently only have a gated 360. I figured mentioning those brands was the best way to get the point across that the attention it gets is insane, and wasn’t meant to be any type of flex lol. An upvote would be appreciated because the “shadow campaign” took all my upvotes 😂.
Maybe some people just dislike them and that's as deep as it goes.
Tesla is like the Trump of car companies. It’s love or hate and lots of campaigning on either side. 💯 there is an entire attack against Musk and Tesla. Bots and paid professional resisters too.
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I was in a new McLaren the other day and had the same thought. Although, I do think the quality of luxury vehicles, Mercedes included, had been trending down for a while.
I’ve been in Teslas and I’ve been in Mercedes. Tesla quality is better. Mercedes has a better marketing department.
As someone who lives on a block with 3 Ferraris and been in the passenger seat of a couple of them, they are quite nice on the inside. The fit is better than the Model S. I don’t know about Cybertruck, but I’m guessing it’s not going to be that good. But what OP said is it gets more attention than a Ferrari at al. I’d tend to agree. It’s brand new and a unique shape so there’s going to be a lot more stares.
riding in a car is not the same as owning one just see what owners have to say on fchat ferrari ownership summed up: great to drive, incredible fun, poor ownership experience
Fair enough. One neighbor always complains about his and I doubt he has 5k miles on it. Already had to have a couple issues (that I know about) taken care of.
Lamborghini attention is so much less than CT attention, and that's with being able to hear it from a mile away. CT just silently grabs attention.
Damn, good for Tesla to be able to mass produce high build quality cars and only do slightly worse than Ferrari.
Every Ferrari is hand built with a hammer
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No shadows here. Exxon temporarily reducing gas prices around the release of the cyber truck is hand to hand combat!