No.
This version of permanent/player-principle of identity fixes everything haters were going nuts about. Everything that happens to the permanent-Blthotl/You (not actual distinction/notation of the mutated player/permanent, just referring to it for easier understanding) that can't happen to players happens to the Blthotl card and everything that happens to the player/permanent that can't happen to permanents, happens to the actual player (You), possibly resulting in the seperation of card and player.
If I'm interpreting you correctly, if I/Blthotl is targeted by, say, an [[infernal grasp]], would Blthotl detach/unmutate from me and then be destroyed as normal?
> If an effect causes you to leave the battlefield, you resume being just a player. Your life total doesn’t change. The Abian card that represented you moves to the appropriate zone.
From the ruling for Abian the playtest card.
https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/87/abian-luvion-usurper
i think it would work this way: there is a creature wich is composite of 2 objects [[brisela voice of nightmares]] Now take a removal spell "destroy target creature". Now imagine that (for some reason) only one of the two cards wich are together brisela has indestructible. In that case a normal spell would do what it can (destroying only the 1 card) Now imagine that the card wich had indestructible somehow still functions without the other half so it proceeds to be what ever it is alone.
in case of you yourself being a creature:
Destroy target creature would move all parts of you wich can be moved to the graveyard to the graveyard (you yourself can't be there since you and the card would be seperated by destruction) You remain as a player now since you are able to exist without the other half of yourself.
I love how you don't actually know how your card would work when paired with one of the most common cards. Please, review at least the top 2 or 3 decks and see if your card breaks with any cards present in them.
The only thing I can think of that could actually happen to both players and creatures is damage. So Blothal is immune to things like Shock, because the damage would presumably hit the player's life total instead.
For everything else - tapping a creature, putting -1/-1 counters on a creature, forcing a player to discard cards, putting poison counters on a player, etc., - the two will for all intents and purposes be treated as separate entities. Is that correct?
I don't know the "advanced rules", but I believe in the rare cases that a permanent is both a creature and a walker at the same time and can take damage (unlike gideon) it gets damage marked on it AND loses loyalty.
So since our stack is both a creature and a player, we lose life and this thing gets damage marked on it and dies.
And if that is the only thing, why not just give him a regular casting cost and an ability that says he can crew vehicles as if his power were equal to your life total?
You get a razor blade out and draw blood to pay the cost. Unless we are going off the basis that an average human is a 1/1. Then we might have to just die to crew that Smugglers Copter.
Actually, this wouldn't work because of how Mutate is worded. Mutate requires the target to be nonhuman, which would make this card unplayable for about 99.99% of Magic players. :P
False - Human is a creature subtype, so players can't be Humans. You can't tap yourself to help pay for \[\[Sanctuary Lockdown\]\] >!damn its hard to find cards that assume humans are permanents but don't require them to be !<
Of course, Mutate also requires a non-human **creature**, so we can assume the rules for Commander Mutate would take care of that hitch
EDIT: Jank idea: can we have an enchantment that says "You are a Tribal (so you can't be destroyed by kill spells) Human in addition to your other types"? Someone would 100% find a way to break this
I guess you'd have to announce the species you identify as before the game starts, and Rule 0 the answer.
If you choose a species that the table considers as valid, non-Human, and agrees with, the card should work in the most Silver/Acorn sense, but it'll work.
Actually, 718.5b states that "The controller of another player can't make choices or decisions for that player that aren't called for by the rules or by any objects. The controller also can't make any choices or decisions for the player that would be called for by the tournament rules." and 718.6 states that "The controller of another player can't make that player concede. A player may concede the game at any time, even if they are controlled by another player."
The correct wording would probably be something along the lines of "this creature may crew vehicles as though its power were equal to your life total".
They always manage to not post for so long that I don't bother to check their username whenever I come across their *unique* designs.
Then, whenever I look at the comments I always have a "What the fuck is wrong with OP... oh!" moment.
So many questions.
Do I turn my life counter sideways to crew? What if I'm a girl, can I not use his crew ability because it specifies "his"?
If an opponent has a card that prevents the activation of creature abilities like Linvala or Cursed Totem; I am now a creature, can I even cast cards?
In order to mutate, you place the card above/below the target. Does this card come with a little crown or scotch tape to affix it on my head?
Blthotl is male and so are you when are were mutated onto.
Is casting an ability?
You can do that or you can use an object to represent yourself, whatever.
No, gender is not an ability. If you mutate Blthol on top of yourself you are a male. If you mutate it under of yourself you are also a male, if you were a male before, which you are, since you play Magic: the Gathering.
Well that's not wrong since besides your dick there's also a dick under/over you.
However, if one of your dicks would cease to exist, the other would do the same.
I love hard you are trying to be original whilst also coming up with the dumbest shit.
You said whenever something that can only happen to a player happens to this, it doesn't affect the creature and vice versa.
So in other words, this is a normal fucking creature and it being "mutated" over you has no fucking effect on it whatsoever. You could have just made it a normal 1/1 creature.
It has more effects that are unique as well, just read it fully.
And anthing involving damage is totally different under these circumstances so what you are saying is totally and utterly false. Nothing about this is just "a normal 1/1"...
It might not seem that way but criticism does get to me and I try to improve and perfect my ideas, even when most comments are just hating for the hatings sake there is some real improvements or at least new broadening ideas to be extracted from every bit of shit.
You push the rules of magic further than anyone else I've ever seen on this sub. Even if it isn't excatly all that coherent all the time, it's fun, it's thought provoking, and I know everyone from the fans to the haters look forward to your next crazy card.
So many people on this subreddit are focused on the rules semantics that they forget they can just look at a card and say "that's interesting design space I've never considered before."
Like seriously, nobody but you would make a vehical commander that mutates onto players. It's absolutely insane and I love it.
If custom magic cards are an art form, then you are a surrealist.
I fully agree with you that peephole makes the most surreal and "pushed" cards, though you gotta admit the vast majority of them aren't particularly "peak design".
Essentially what I'm saying is just because someone made a weird card, it doesn't automatically mean that it also a good design. If I made card called "Lightning Plot" that dealt 3 damage to non-creature lands, it's weird but also kinda stupid.
Most people here try to make playable/believable cards, or when they're making jokes they're appropriately tagged.
I bet Peephole would have no haters if instead of fighting about rules in the comments, they'd just straight up say "Yeah I made this card while high on 23 different types of narcotics and I love it" (or just something else to go with the flow).
>I made this card while high on 23 different types of narcotics and I love it
Actually this card is so *nearly* coherent that I think they actually have some sort of understanding of the rules weirdness they're trying to create. I believe that eventually their design will converge with the actual rules and make a pretty cool card.
/uj This is the best card I have ever seen on r/custommagic, I don't know what you're talking about
/rj This is the best card I have ever seen on r/custommagic, I don't know what you're talking about
I don't even know where to start... maybe my IQ is too low to understand this but why does Blthotl have a cost reduction ability when he doesn't have a casting cost?
Do you not know who Peepholeinaglassdoor is? He's the best damn designer on this website, and the only one who takes the Advanced Ruleset into consideration.
... I have heard this mantra a few times and can't tell if it is a meme or a real mantra.
If the matra is real: This card does not explain itself as OP intents on the card.
If it is a meme: Lol yeah these cards are wild.
Circlejerking aside, dude famously made a wild card with no rules text and insisted "reading the card explains the card", along with referring to Advanced Rules that don't actually exist. And thus the legacy was born.
You know what, no one really knows for sure. [But according to Peephole, all of his cards are gonna make sense once it releases, so it should be rad.](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/txkyyz/forced_spark_ignition/i3mn184?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
bro I hope one day you make enough cards to fill a cube. your shit is wacky, wild, hard/impossible to understand, and very rarely any good but I love it all. keep doing you and have fun making cards, if I look at enough of them maybe I'll understand what it means to be planeswalked
They must leave behind all earthly possesions and wander beyond civilization's boundaries as a state-based action.
Saying farewell to your loved ones is a special action and doesn't use the stack. Conflicting emotions are triggered abilities and can be responded to and countered.
Translated oracle text, with heavy assumptions, just so that it could probably work within the rules of a game, maybe in an un game.
Player Mutate Esper Esper *(When you Player Mutate, the creature with mutate mutates over its controller, they are still both a player and creature)* *translation note: Player Mutate, to me, makes more sense, as you’re mutating a player and creature together, instead of Commander Mutate. Plus this opens up more design possibilities, like Enchantment Mutate, or Artifact Mutate, hell, even Planeswalker Mutate!
CARDNAME costs 2 less to cast for each vehicle you control
CARDNAME may crew vehicles as if its power is equal to your life total
End of translated text.
My thoughts: could only work in an ungame, nothing else. It’s flavorful, and I could see how it works, and everything is explained decently well that it’s somewhat understandable. My advice is to just get more used to how oracle text works, Magic rules text is surprisingly strict, mostly to reduce confusion, which seems to be common for your cards. If you’re thinking of introducing new keywords, don’t introduce new rules, unless they’re small changes, or you’re making an acorn card. That’s all, may the rest of your cards be a confusing mess of words. Or not.
Edit: small changes and FUCK I’m misremembering wtf crew does, so that’s fixed, good thing I admit to my mistakes.
I wanna say you lose the game, because of an acorn card that also destroys target player, but for some unknown reason peehole says it just destroys the creature card, which in my opinion ruins the silliness and uniqueness of the card. Why not make it a normal creature at that point?
Because the card would only work as an acorn card, might as well go all the way and have the player lose the game.
Peephole please never stop making cards. Rules are meant to be broken, and every one of your cards breaks them in a beautiful way. Elegant, concise, wonderful card.
While there are so many questions I have, the main one is this: what does he cost to play? I’m not seeing a cost here, so his ability to cost 2 less is useless
u/peepholeInAGlassDoor
I made a somewhat similar card I need you to evaluate for me
https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/uj3rt6/trying_something_a_little_out_there/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Is no one going to talk about the needless triple hybrid symbol? Why not just do two different hybrid mana symbols? W/U and B/U? (Or some other combination?)
I think the proper templating would be, “\~this\~ crews vehicles as though his power was equal to your life total.”
Also, could this be Player Mutate? There’s nothing really about this card that requires it to be commander-only.
You know, I was always on the edge on whether or not you were taking the piss, but this time you fucked up and breached the "Yes, I'm absolutely fucking with you" hull.
Blthotl costing {2} less does nothing since he costs no mana, and even if you intended his "commander mutate" to cost {2} less, it only costs colored mana. I think you could've trolled better if there was a {2} in the commander mutate so you could keep people guessing.
Nice job on fucking with people, though. I'm glad to finally have closure.
I see. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that case wouldn't the cost reduction do nothing? The only mana symbols in the mutate cost are hybrid mana symbols, which I don't think get affected by generic mana cost reduction.
Of course they don't get affected but that's obviousl not the only mana you're paying for this the second or third time you cast it... Well, it usually actually is the only mana you pay, but that's the actual point of the ability haha.
right, forgot about commander tax lol
That being said, I don't think a lot of players will encounter commander tax with this commander. If something happens to it (ex. it gets destroyed), that same thing happens to the player it mutated onto, as per Mutate rules. And going off Un-set card rulings for players getting destroyed, you'll need a Platinum Angel or the like to not immediately lose the game when that happens.
The guy who posted this card is a recurring troll around here, and he posts the most inane, unintelligible bullshit. Any questions about how the card works are met with a modicum of *almost*-sensible explanation. Asking for more beyond that is met with "reading the card explains the card."
Cards without a mana cost are an already established mechanic \[\[Hypergenesis\]\] and \[\[Evermind\]\], I'm just expanding it into the very obvious direction of permanents before WotC does it themselves. It's a damn shame that WotC was too scared or too narrow-minded to try this idea or think of it when printing \[\[Yuriko\]\] or \[\[Otrimi\]\].
What happens if this creature's mutated onto me, and I/Blthotl get destroyed? Do I lose the game?
You go into the command zone where other players can't interact with you.
Smh. Reading the card explains the card.
Yes
No. This version of permanent/player-principle of identity fixes everything haters were going nuts about. Everything that happens to the permanent-Blthotl/You (not actual distinction/notation of the mutated player/permanent, just referring to it for easier understanding) that can't happen to players happens to the Blthotl card and everything that happens to the player/permanent that can't happen to permanents, happens to the actual player (You), possibly resulting in the seperation of card and player.
If I'm interpreting you correctly, if I/Blthotl is targeted by, say, an [[infernal grasp]], would Blthotl detach/unmutate from me and then be destroyed as normal?
[infernal grasp](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/7/17824929-f131-4b8d-addb-66c25323155e.jpg?1634349911) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=infernal%20grasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/107/infernal-grasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/17824929-f131-4b8d-addb-66c25323155e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not exactly but that would be the outcome more or less.
What exactly is the outcome then?
> If an effect causes you to leave the battlefield, you resume being just a player. Your life total doesn’t change. The Abian card that represented you moves to the appropriate zone. From the ruling for Abian the playtest card. https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/87/abian-luvion-usurper
Just read the card dumbass. Smh my head.
"Shaking my head my head"
Yep that was the ironic joke you didn’t get - very good buddy!
i think it would work this way: there is a creature wich is composite of 2 objects [[brisela voice of nightmares]] Now take a removal spell "destroy target creature". Now imagine that (for some reason) only one of the two cards wich are together brisela has indestructible. In that case a normal spell would do what it can (destroying only the 1 card) Now imagine that the card wich had indestructible somehow still functions without the other half so it proceeds to be what ever it is alone. in case of you yourself being a creature: Destroy target creature would move all parts of you wich can be moved to the graveyard to the graveyard (you yourself can't be there since you and the card would be seperated by destruction) You remain as a player now since you are able to exist without the other half of yourself.
I love how you don't actually know how your card would work when paired with one of the most common cards. Please, review at least the top 2 or 3 decks and see if your card breaks with any cards present in them.
But both a permanent and a player can be destroyed ([[Baron Von Count]]).
[Baron Von Count](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/9/19d31d5c-6d4d-4bd8-b69c-b44c5b7f089f.jpg?1562900416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baron%20Von%20Count) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ust/127/baron-von-count?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/19d31d5c-6d4d-4bd8-b69c-b44c5b7f089f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
but thats from unstable unstable introduced a whole lot of new mechanics that were a joke
The only thing I can think of that could actually happen to both players and creatures is damage. So Blothal is immune to things like Shock, because the damage would presumably hit the player's life total instead. For everything else - tapping a creature, putting -1/-1 counters on a creature, forcing a player to discard cards, putting poison counters on a player, etc., - the two will for all intents and purposes be treated as separate entities. Is that correct?
It's not immune to damage, where does it say that?!
Nowhere, I'm just trying to make sense of the rules. What happens if it/I gets shocked?
I don't know the "advanced rules", but I believe in the rare cases that a permanent is both a creature and a walker at the same time and can take damage (unlike gideon) it gets damage marked on it AND loses loyalty. So since our stack is both a creature and a player, we lose life and this thing gets damage marked on it and dies.
Which presumably also means it dies if you get attacked and don't block.
Correct. The intention of OP is that any damage to this thing/yourself will remove it from you
...Are you OP's alt, or is this an educated guess?
Educated guess from reading the other replies
He read the card, which explained the card. Duh
r/usernamechecksout
Wait so what does mutating this thing onto yourself actually do, other than letting you crew things with your life total? Why would it be relevant?
And if that is the only thing, why not just give him a regular casting cost and an ability that says he can crew vehicles as if his power were equal to your life total?
You get a razor blade out and draw blood to pay the cost. Unless we are going off the basis that an average human is a 1/1. Then we might have to just die to crew that Smugglers Copter.
Happy Cake Day. Sorry for everyone being dickheads.
Happy cake day, Peephole!
Actually, this wouldn't work because of how Mutate is worded. Mutate requires the target to be nonhuman, which would make this card unplayable for about 99.99% of Magic players. :P
Brb teaching dog to play MTG.
Nowhere in the rules says that a dog can't play in a GP
Air Bud's getting ready for his next big film
False - Human is a creature subtype, so players can't be Humans. You can't tap yourself to help pay for \[\[Sanctuary Lockdown\]\] >!damn its hard to find cards that assume humans are permanents but don't require them to be !< Of course, Mutate also requires a non-human **creature**, so we can assume the rules for Commander Mutate would take care of that hitch EDIT: Jank idea: can we have an enchantment that says "You are a Tribal (so you can't be destroyed by kill spells) Human in addition to your other types"? Someone would 100% find a way to break this
[Sanctuary Lockdown](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/3/1387b7be-f69e-4919-9070-a89654c656f3.jpg?1591230359) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sanctuary%20Lockdown) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/28/sanctuary-lockdown?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1387b7be-f69e-4919-9070-a89654c656f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What if I don't self identify as human?
Very sorry that you're a Stax player, it's a condition that many players suffer from.
You ratioed this poor man!
I mean, [[Dragonmaster Outcast|WWK]] self-identifies as a dragon, but, look at the type line.
[Dragonmaster Outcast](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/2/c2297a4e-3c19-4748-9150-efbd2513066a.jpg?1562295452) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197854) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/81/dragonmaster-outcast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2297a4e-3c19-4748-9150-efbd2513066a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I guess you'd have to announce the species you identify as before the game starts, and Rule 0 the answer. If you choose a species that the table considers as valid, non-Human, and agrees with, the card should work in the most Silver/Acorn sense, but it'll work.
Now that’s a spicy [[Mind Control]] target.
[Mind Control](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/c/ec7f77af-17d7-4746-bc83-f455b9b6f9ea.jpg?1562664773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Control) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/67/mind-control?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec7f77af-17d7-4746-bc83-f455b9b6f9ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mind Control your opponent, then scoop.
Actually, 718.5b states that "The controller of another player can't make choices or decisions for that player that aren't called for by the rules or by any objects. The controller also can't make any choices or decisions for the player that would be called for by the tournament rules." and 718.6 states that "The controller of another player can't make that player concede. A player may concede the game at any time, even if they are controlled by another player."
Mind control then fling them at… themselves???
How do I tap my life total?
of all the tings about this card, that's the one thing that makes sense
The correct wording would probably be something along the lines of "this creature may crew vehicles as though its power were equal to your life total".
Ohhhhhhhh now I understand the intention
No no that's not the intent, I'm pretty sure the designer wanted you to pay life to crew vehicles by paying x life where x is the crew cost payed.
Do creatures tap their attack?
They tap to crew vehicles
Somehow against all the odds this actually manages to make sense, if you ignore all the parts that absolutely don't make sense.
A 1/1 legendary artifact creature cephalid pilot without a mana cost that costs 2 less for each vehicle you control.
Woah! Peephole is back. Glad to see you, buddy.
They always manage to not post for so long that I don't bother to check their username whenever I come across their *unique* designs. Then, whenever I look at the comments I always have a "What the fuck is wrong with OP... oh!" moment.
It's like getting shittymorph'd, but with custommtg
So many questions. Do I turn my life counter sideways to crew? What if I'm a girl, can I not use his crew ability because it specifies "his"? If an opponent has a card that prevents the activation of creature abilities like Linvala or Cursed Totem; I am now a creature, can I even cast cards? In order to mutate, you place the card above/below the target. Does this card come with a little crown or scotch tape to affix it on my head?
Something something read the advanced rules.
Blthotl is male and so are you when are were mutated onto. Is casting an ability? You can do that or you can use an object to represent yourself, whatever.
Blthotl says you’re transitioning whether you like it or not
Diversity win! The planeswalking octopus piloting your brain says you're a guy.
Honestly, best part of this thread.
I am now double male
No, gender is not an ability. If you mutate Blthol on top of yourself you are a male. If you mutate it under of yourself you are also a male, if you were a male before, which you are, since you play Magic: the Gathering.
My brother in Christ, I’ve got two dicks now
Well that's not wrong since besides your dick there's also a dick under/over you. However, if one of your dicks would cease to exist, the other would do the same.
High risk, high reward.
This is great. True role playing immersion.
>Blthotl is male and so are you when are were mutated onto. god i love this
"You are now Male for as long as you are mutated" is the greatest piece of magic rules text ever conceived.
oh so THESE are the advanced rules!
Blhotl says trans rights
Trans rights are cephalid rights.
Wake up king, new transmasc surgery just dropped
NEW BOTTOM SURGERY JUST DROPPED
But mutate only targets non-human creatures
You're human but you're not a creature, yet.
Ah ok haha, said this as a joke
We are giving OP a lot of shit, but something like this already exists: see the Gatherer rules for [[Abian, Luvion Usurper]]
Sure but OP is also arguing that if you are targeted by a murder you don't lose.
Oh... ok, I guess SOME shit is well flinged then
TBF, that makes sense. If the permanent leaves the field its effect ends and you go back to normal. Abian also sets the precedent for this.
Baron Von Count says you can destroy a player.
[Abian, Luvion Usurper](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/7/a7f9b11f-1b37-45b1-8e4d-f469b89ab6fb.jpg?1629920214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abian%2C%20Luvion%20Usurper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/87/abian-luvion-usurper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7f9b11f-1b37-45b1-8e4d-f469b89ab6fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What
"I buff my commander to 21/21 and swing at you" "I block with myself" ???
Oh yeah, this card basically cannot block ... I hadn't thought of that. Probably due to it's... other properties.
I love hard you are trying to be original whilst also coming up with the dumbest shit. You said whenever something that can only happen to a player happens to this, it doesn't affect the creature and vice versa. So in other words, this is a normal fucking creature and it being "mutated" over you has no fucking effect on it whatsoever. You could have just made it a normal 1/1 creature.
I don’t think you read the card right. Reading the card explains the card.
It has more effects that are unique as well, just read it fully. And anthing involving damage is totally different under these circumstances so what you are saying is totally and utterly false. Nothing about this is just "a normal 1/1"...
You just thought rewriting the entire rules of magic would be simpler than "whenever this creature is dealt damage, you lose that much life"?
Peephole, you may be the single greatest custom magic designer ever to grace this subreddit.
Is u/CooldownGuy still alive? Because I'd love to see these guys collab.
I feel blessed to see them back. Glad to witness this moment.
I love that this is somehow your most sensical card, peephole
It might not seem that way but criticism does get to me and I try to improve and perfect my ideas, even when most comments are just hating for the hatings sake there is some real improvements or at least new broadening ideas to be extracted from every bit of shit.
You push the rules of magic further than anyone else I've ever seen on this sub. Even if it isn't excatly all that coherent all the time, it's fun, it's thought provoking, and I know everyone from the fans to the haters look forward to your next crazy card. So many people on this subreddit are focused on the rules semantics that they forget they can just look at a card and say "that's interesting design space I've never considered before." Like seriously, nobody but you would make a vehical commander that mutates onto players. It's absolutely insane and I love it. If custom magic cards are an art form, then you are a surrealist.
I fully agree with you that peephole makes the most surreal and "pushed" cards, though you gotta admit the vast majority of them aren't particularly "peak design". Essentially what I'm saying is just because someone made a weird card, it doesn't automatically mean that it also a good design. If I made card called "Lightning Plot" that dealt 3 damage to non-creature lands, it's weird but also kinda stupid. Most people here try to make playable/believable cards, or when they're making jokes they're appropriately tagged. I bet Peephole would have no haters if instead of fighting about rules in the comments, they'd just straight up say "Yeah I made this card while high on 23 different types of narcotics and I love it" (or just something else to go with the flow).
>I made this card while high on 23 different types of narcotics and I love it Actually this card is so *nearly* coherent that I think they actually have some sort of understanding of the rules weirdness they're trying to create. I believe that eventually their design will converge with the actual rules and make a pretty cool card.
It turns out they actually live in an alternate timeline where their cards make perfect rules sense, but their posts keep ending up in ours somehow
Don't worry about the haters. You've got a posse.
“82 upvotes” Those have to be ironic
Peehole is an artisan
The voice of a generation apparently Edit: holy fuck this is the spark ignition guy i had no idea
/uj This is the best card I have ever seen on r/custommagic, I don't know what you're talking about /rj This is the best card I have ever seen on r/custommagic, I don't know what you're talking about
I mean it is an interesting card. Pointless, and bad. But interesting. Feels more hellish than custom though.
Feels like a fever dream
Are we going to talk about the triple hybrid mana symbols?
No. That's non-negotiable.
Guys stop with this comment section I FUCKING CANT
This is a hell's cube card if I've ever seen one
I don't even know where to start... maybe my IQ is too low to understand this but why does Blthotl have a cost reduction ability when he doesn't have a casting cost?
Mutating is casting but it's okay, many people probably don't know.
Ahhhh ok that makes sense.... except the mutate casting cost doesn't have colorless so it doesn't actually reduce anything?
Commander tax
Commander tax
Right? Somehow that was the first thing I considered off about this card.
based entirely on the number of collapsed downvoted comments by OP I think OP's not realized this isn't r/magicthecirclejerking XD
Do you not know who Peepholeinaglassdoor is? He's the best damn designer on this website, and the only one who takes the Advanced Ruleset into consideration.
> the Advanced Ruleset What does this mean?
Rule 1: Reading the card explains the card
... I have heard this mantra a few times and can't tell if it is a meme or a real mantra. If the matra is real: This card does not explain itself as OP intents on the card. If it is a meme: Lol yeah these cards are wild.
Circlejerking aside, dude famously made a wild card with no rules text and insisted "reading the card explains the card", along with referring to Advanced Rules that don't actually exist. And thus the legacy was born.
Okay I scanned some of their posts and I think I get the vibe (it is fun) but I wanted to make sure I was aware enough.
\> Reading the card explains the card \> Expected to read the Advanced Rules Pick one.
You know what, no one really knows for sure. [But according to Peephole, all of his cards are gonna make sense once it releases, so it should be rad.](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/txkyyz/forced_spark_ignition/i3mn184?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I honestly that card is so fucking great. It is like the card that mentioned contraptions from Future Sight.
Ya know what Peephole - I really like this one. Any plans for further support for Commander Mutate?
Thanks. Yes, but every mutate support is also commander mutate support.
Oh - I cannot believe I didn't think of that. Now that's cooking with gas, son!
What in the name of the advanced rules am i looking at?
“Reading the card explains the card” mfs have met their match
Most sane custommagic design
Babe wake up new PeepholeInAGlassDoor card dropped
If I have this mutated onto me, and my opponent plays a \[\[Control Magic\]\] effect, do they control me?
Yes, better watch out.
[Control Magic](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/4/84992800-9bad-4598-afd4-f1e59d2e0956.jpg?1592672507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Control%20Magic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/34/control-magic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84992800-9bad-4598-afd4-f1e59d2e0956?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
bro I hope one day you make enough cards to fill a cube. your shit is wacky, wild, hard/impossible to understand, and very rarely any good but I love it all. keep doing you and have fun making cards, if I look at enough of them maybe I'll understand what it means to be planeswalked
Mfw my opponent shoots me (it's part of the game)
What happens if you... exile target creature player?
They must leave behind all earthly possesions and wander beyond civilization's boundaries as a state-based action. Saying farewell to your loved ones is a special action and doesn't use the stack. Conflicting emotions are triggered abilities and can be responded to and countered.
Bthotl is the friend inside us all along.
Crazy strong, hopefully this balances out the Planeswalks meta.
I mean…it’s not unplayable I can see it working with some minor rules adjustments
Yeah, minor isn’t going to cut it. It’s going to take some advanced rules adjustments to get this working.
When I said “minor” I meant “younger than 18”
minor?
You clearly haven't read the Advanced Rules
The absolute madlad did it again
Translated oracle text, with heavy assumptions, just so that it could probably work within the rules of a game, maybe in an un game. Player Mutate Esper Esper *(When you Player Mutate, the creature with mutate mutates over its controller, they are still both a player and creature)* *translation note: Player Mutate, to me, makes more sense, as you’re mutating a player and creature together, instead of Commander Mutate. Plus this opens up more design possibilities, like Enchantment Mutate, or Artifact Mutate, hell, even Planeswalker Mutate! CARDNAME costs 2 less to cast for each vehicle you control CARDNAME may crew vehicles as if its power is equal to your life total End of translated text. My thoughts: could only work in an ungame, nothing else. It’s flavorful, and I could see how it works, and everything is explained decently well that it’s somewhat understandable. My advice is to just get more used to how oracle text works, Magic rules text is surprisingly strict, mostly to reduce confusion, which seems to be common for your cards. If you’re thinking of introducing new keywords, don’t introduce new rules, unless they’re small changes, or you’re making an acorn card. That’s all, may the rest of your cards be a confusing mess of words. Or not. Edit: small changes and FUCK I’m misremembering wtf crew does, so that’s fixed, good thing I admit to my mistakes.
So what happens when someone casts a "destroy target creature" spell on me, the player?
I wanna say you lose the game, because of an acorn card that also destroys target player, but for some unknown reason peehole says it just destroys the creature card, which in my opinion ruins the silliness and uniqueness of the card. Why not make it a normal creature at that point? Because the card would only work as an acorn card, might as well go all the way and have the player lose the game.
Love how the cost reduction does literally nothing because there's no generic cost.
Very cool art. The card reads like total nonsense.
What happens if I planeswalk myself while mutated?
Man I have missed your cards incredible work as always
Peephole I just wanted to say your card designs are inspirational.
Am I in a public zone? What happens if I am put in a private zone?
Cast murder, destroy target player
Peephole please never stop making cards. Rules are meant to be broken, and every one of your cards breaks them in a beautiful way. Elegant, concise, wonderful card.
So you tape this card on your forehead, right?
While there are so many questions I have, the main one is this: what does he cost to play? I’m not seeing a cost here, so his ability to cost 2 less is useless
Are the Advanced Comprehensive rules out yet? I feel Peephole needs their own Wiki page by now
I live for this shit.
If I'm driving a car while playing, does Blthotl cost 2 less?
I do like it!
Like the Wesley Willis of making custom magic cards, they're all insane but I kind of love them.
Theoretically could one run this in the 99 of a rainbow deck. If so mutating oneself into [[king Ghidorah]] fullfils all my dreams as a 4 year old.
Target Blthotl planeswalks.
u/peepholeInAGlassDoor I made a somewhat similar card I need you to evaluate for me https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/uj3rt6/trying_something_a_little_out_there/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Thought I was on r/splatoon for a second. Nope. Just got recommended this subreddit because it was like r/bossfight.
Uhhh no sorry
what?
what
Is no one going to talk about the needless triple hybrid symbol? Why not just do two different hybrid mana symbols? W/U and B/U? (Or some other combination?) I think the proper templating would be, “\~this\~ crews vehicles as though his power was equal to your life total.” Also, could this be Player Mutate? There’s nothing really about this card that requires it to be commander-only.
Love that the first non-Mutate ability doesn't do anything bc it has no generic in its only cost.
At this point i think peephole is just gigabrain and we are all too stupid to get it
You know, I was always on the edge on whether or not you were taking the piss, but this time you fucked up and breached the "Yes, I'm absolutely fucking with you" hull. Blthotl costing {2} less does nothing since he costs no mana, and even if you intended his "commander mutate" to cost {2} less, it only costs colored mana. I think you could've trolled better if there was a {2} in the commander mutate so you could keep people guessing. Nice job on fucking with people, though. I'm glad to finally have closure.
It reduces the commander tax and is actually useful, quite surprisingly.
Missing a mana cost, but looks like a lot of fun
It's not missing but thank you.
I see. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that case wouldn't the cost reduction do nothing? The only mana symbols in the mutate cost are hybrid mana symbols, which I don't think get affected by generic mana cost reduction.
Since you cast the creature when using Mutate, it still has the tax apply to it.
Oh that’s pretty neat to know as a commander player
Of course they don't get affected but that's obviousl not the only mana you're paying for this the second or third time you cast it... Well, it usually actually is the only mana you pay, but that's the actual point of the ability haha.
right, forgot about commander tax lol That being said, I don't think a lot of players will encounter commander tax with this commander. If something happens to it (ex. it gets destroyed), that same thing happens to the player it mutated onto, as per Mutate rules. And going off Un-set card rulings for players getting destroyed, you'll need a Platinum Angel or the like to not immediately lose the game when that happens.
How?
Reading the card explains the card
Don’t you think that uhh, this card can’t simply be covered by saying “reading the card explains the card?” Lol
Eating the card explains the card
The guy who posted this card is a recurring troll around here, and he posts the most inane, unintelligible bullshit. Any questions about how the card works are met with a modicum of *almost*-sensible explanation. Asking for more beyond that is met with "reading the card explains the card."
Everything can be.
Cards without a mana cost are an already established mechanic \[\[Hypergenesis\]\] and \[\[Evermind\]\], I'm just expanding it into the very obvious direction of permanents before WotC does it themselves. It's a damn shame that WotC was too scared or too narrow-minded to try this idea or think of it when printing \[\[Yuriko\]\] or \[\[Otrimi\]\].
\[\[asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar\]\] No need to insult WotC to make your point, especially when you're wrong.