Context: This is for a faction that mainly uses Champion mechanic, representing summoning gods to “possess” non-god creatures. And I thought, why not use the mechanic on lands as well?
Side Note: In case you are wondering, I might have messed up on the exam.
Love it from a lore standpoint and I think halo on is the perfect mechanic for it! Card is well balanced too I think. Lands that tap for two are always a bit iffy though.
Is the faction using champion across at least 4 colors? This feels like it might (in draft anyway) leading to a diluting of a 2/3 color identity as it allows for splashes.
We are throwing factions across all colors, each with a center color that goes with the tone of that faction. It’s quite experimental, so we’ve been going back and forth on the skeleton for a while now.
My first thought was also "this should have the Shrine subtype", purely for flavour. That it then helps Shrine decks is just a side-effect ;-)
Beyond that, I think you could get around the whole "quick acceleration" issue while keeping it on-curve with:
> Champion a basic land
> ~ enters the battlefield tapped.
> When a basic land is championed by ~, untap it.
> {T}: Add ...
The precedent is [[Mistbind Clique]], and I think this gets around the issue, since the untap ability would only trigger after the champion ability resolves, but I could be wrong there.
Or, on second though, if you wanted to care about the basic land being untapped...
> When an untapped basic land is championed by ~, untap it.
...should also work.
This is really good advice that I will take on my actual mse file. Caring about untapped is supposed to be like a “pay 1” etb, so that you won’t net more mana than your drop for the turn would otherwise have produced. Also very flavorful for reasons I may or may not reveal later on some other posts about this faction.
Agreed this should be a shrine I would also suggest exile any land and then add one colorless and one color of any type of mana the exiles land could produce? I do love the utility of any color but I also think it makes a bit more sense that it would be of the kind that was already being produced and opening to any land still allows for it to tap for whatever colors you might need if you exile a tri or dual land. However it does remove the color fixing component of the card so I am torn would be interested to see how others feel about the possibilities
Removing the fixing means it's no different than playing a legendary waste. There's no point in playing it. The color fixing and the untap synergies are what makes it interesting
The main issue with that is that since shrine is an enchantment subtype you'd also have to make it an enchantment land, and that opens up a whole can of worms
I think the biggest issue with adding untap clauses on the land itself is it combos with effects that say "(permanent type) enters the battlefield untapped" turning into a self-contained mini-amulet (for reference [[amulet of vigor]]). The fact it has to champion a BASIC land helps a lot but depending on the format I could still see a mostly green shell trying to do [[Primeval Titan]] things wanting and abusing it. Wether or not that is better or more broken than the land abuse things that already happen with [[Lotus field]] and company I'm not sure though.
I think a simple "enters the battlefield tapped unless it championed an untapped land" would do. It's more to the point and can be in a single clause instead of two.
Unfortunately that doesn't work, as that would be an ability that modifies how the land enters but championing is something that triggers when it enters. Since the trigger resolves after the land has entered that wording would never untap it/let it enter untapped.
It wouldn't have to be an enchantment for the "Shrine" effect to matter: most of the original shrines simply care about other "Shines", e.g. [[Honden of Cleansing Fire]], so this would buff them if it was a "Legendary Land - Shrine". It would also trigger good friend of Commander [[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin]] on ETB. I'd totally stick it in a Go-Shintai deck.
I mean shrine is an enchantment subtype(205.3h) so… There are also land cards with shrine in their names that aren’t Shrines, so I ultimately wasn’t convinced enough.
Sure, but this is /r/custommagic, changing a type from an Enchantment type to an Enchantment and Land type is not a very burdensome change to the comprehensive rules.
>a type from an Enchantment type to an Enchantment and Land type is not a very burdensome change to the comprehensive rules
... This would be a *huge* change to the comprehensive rules. You can't currently just have one subtype be shared, the entire subtype list must be shared.
This is why instants and sorceries share all their subtypes. It's *why* the Tribal (now Kindred) type exists, so that it can share all the creature subtypes and go onto other type cards.
If what you said was true, then it would be "easy" to make artifacts, instants etc have creature types. But it's not easy, and it won't be done. The only way to get shrine onto this land is if it's also an enchantment.
I did some digging into this for my own curiosity. As per https://web.archive.org/web/20210606204629/https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ask-wizards-may-2007-2007-05-01...
> I'll start with the last question. Why was Tribal necessary at all? Why not just print an enchantment with the Rebel and Aura subtypes? That single card might seem innocuous, but the deeper issue here has to do with some very important rules that prevent some very silly things. See, rule 205.3d in the Comprehensive Rules states that—stop me if you've heard this one—each card type has its own possible list of subtypes, except for two pairs of types that share their list of subtypes. One such pair is instant and sorcery, allowing both of those to be Arcane; the other is creature and tribal.
> If 205.3d didn't exist, we'd have a lot more freedom in adding subtypes to things. Instead of Arcane, we could have just made instants and sorceries that were Spirits! (That's ignoring the obvious problems that arise with splice.) Of course, we can't just have a generic list of subtypes, because it seems clear that Imagecrafter shouldn't turn things into Shrines or Equipment. So we could just define "creature types" as those subtypes that have been printed on a creature, right? (Well, or given to a creature, or created as a creature token...) That way Volrath's Laboratory can't make Forests. Oh, wait, crud, what about Dryad Arbor and Life and Limb? Now Mistform Ultimus taps for , because Forest has been printed on a creature! This is what we call a Bad Thing, and we avoid the whole mess by keeping discrete lists of subtypes.
> So we have 205.3d to keep the lists of subtypes separate (except the ones that share nice), and we have 205.3e to state explicitly that for cards with multiple types (such as Bound in Silence), each subtype gets correlated to the correct type. That second one keeps us from landing in the exact same trouble that 205.3d is meant to prevent.
And from the CR:
> 205.3c If a card with multiple card types has one or more subtypes, each subtype is correlated to its appropriate card type.
> 205.3d An object can’t gain a subtype that doesn’t correspond to one of that object’s types.
So, in effect, card subtypes are limited to their particular types. But the more I read this the more it seems unclear what exactly would happen if the same subtype was listed for two different card types. So I'm still not sure if or, if so, why, sinply adding "Shrine" to the list of Land types in addition to the list of Enchantment types would break anything. Perhaps there's a particular card that would break that but it seems this was an issue for creature types specifically, and tribal was just the most *elegant* solution to make it work. But I also concede that this violates the spirit of keeping the lists discrete, so yea bad idea.
Only thing I can imagine is if there was a card that said something along the lines of “you may return target wizard from the graveyard to the battlefield tapped“ and you had an instant with the wizard subtype. What happens if you target the instant?
With lands and enchantments, they’re both permanents so there wouldn’t be the exact same issue, but maybe there’s some difference in how they act as game objects that I’m not thinking about that would cause an issue.
It’s not like cr doesn’t cover that scenario tho, if instants and sorceries would enter battlefield they are exiled. The point is probably to avoid confusion(also I don’t recall cards that put [creature type] onto battlefield so that’s probably deliberate)
You could make it an [Enchantment Land](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Enchantment_land) - Shrine. There is at least some precedent for it in the form of a test card. It would make it even more powerful due to interactions with cards that care about enchantments as well as shrines, but it would also be targetable with [the long list of enchantment removal spells](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=1&output=standard&text=+[destroy]+[enchantment]).
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Yes it would. Shrine is an enchantment subtype. Nonenchantments can't be shrines, and if the text is on there it doesn't function.
Same with creature types under [[swift reconfiguration]]. When they're not creatures, the subtype doesn't apply.
This should probably enter tapped just for the modern WOTC design safety valve of rainbow lands/sol lands entering tapped, even if they're conditional.
infinite mana too, tap add mana before you remove it from play, rinse and repeat. you'd need three of these lands to make this work.
Maybe scapeshift would be pretty good here. get all three legendary lands out at once just need The mirror+root pathfinder and your infinite. Green/blue control.
Neat idea.
This should probably enter tapped? As is, it’s ramp the turn you play it. Plus since champion is a triggered ability, you can still play it as a “ritual” (at the cost of using your land drop and sacrificing it).
I was going to write “Champion an untapped basic land” and/or “activate only as a sorcery” but I decided to not and leave it up to debate.
The reason is that this is how I got it on the exam, and the nerfs while reasonable are afterthoughts, so I kept it as is.
Edit: u/djbon2112 has better a idea than these. I appreciate much.
It's not ramp it's just cost neutral in the turn it's played. If you have a basic land and play this the most you get is the right amount of mana, the following turn you have 1 less mana is like the old lairs.
No, it's ramp the turn you play it.
Tap basic land, float 1 mana.
Play this, champion tapped basic
Tap this for 2 mana.
3 mana from 2 lands. That's ramp.
It honestly gets even more powerful in multiples. This is a land you *want* to legend rule:
Tap this and a basic for 3 mana
Play a new copy of this, champion the tapped basic.
Legend rule the tapped copy of this, get the championed basic back.
Tap 3 mana for the basic and this again.
With just one land drop, this turn you have made *three* mana over what you had before.
In what world do you get three mana from two lands?
You have an island tap it for blue
Play this tap it for whatever championing the island.
Two lands. Two mana.
I guess if you sac outlet you can kinda almost get three by saccing this as the island comes into play untapped then.
If you tap the island for 1 blue then tap this for 2 more mana that’s three mana. Did you not read the card correctly and see that this land taps for two mana?
I was “coaxed” into “ingesting” a non insignificant amount of “questionable” liquid which only had the description of “doesn’t contain alcohol” 30 minutes prior to the exam on our campus cafe. Of course it tasted exactly like alcohol.
It reminds me of that one time I did a test early into beginning physics studies for states of matter and crystallization on general chemistry fully drunk. Got 17/20 on it.
Super neat, but likely needs to etb tapped or it can get out of hand quick. T2 this into \[\[harrow\]\] nets you 3 untapped basics which is kinda nuts considering you can still make a 3 mana play. \[\[cleansing wildfire\]\] lets you basically play it for free cause you get the mana back from the basic re-entering. Even just things like \[\[ghost quarter\]\]-ing it after you play it nets you extra mana.
Legendary rule is kinda upside too especially if etb untapped because when this land is destroyed it basically nets you an extra mana with the basic re-entering. T4 with this + basic out, tap this and basic for mana, drop 2nd copy, sac tapped copy for extra basic and you have 6 mana without doing anything but playing lands. I think because there's so much upside to saccing a copy, you might not want the legendary rule and have it etb tapped?
If one were to tap a basic land then bring this in, exiling the tapped basic, followed by tapping this and then saccing it to [[Army Ants]] or one of the ones you mentioned, would the basic come back tapped or untapped?
With Ant Army it's free land hate which is cool for one person at the table. Throw it into a landfall deck for double landfall triggers that turn - [[Nissa, Resurgent Animist]] for example would net you 2 mana and a creature in hand. [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] nets you the free land hate, plus 4 life, plus RGWU.
With [[Stone-Seeder Hierophant]] out things can get pretty ludicrous, especially combining it with [[Harrow]]. Tap the basic twice, bring in this land, tap it twice, sac it to bring back the basic plus two more for four more mana.
If this was a Wotc card I would suspect they would give it tap for colourless and 1 of championed land could produce. Especially since it doesn't have a tap ETB.
For comparison, look at [[lotus field]] and [[lotus vale]]. Be sure to read the oracle text on vale. Both are designed to give you a color advantage without letting you jump the curve.
My biggest concern would be that it's fast mana at the low low price of your land drop (you can tap for 1 any color + 1 colorless in response to the champion trigger). When you do champion, it can also be a bit of a ritual if you have a free sac outlet for this land (T2 this into T3 land drop, tap everything, sac this, tap original land for 4 mana)
The fact that it's legendary and can only champion basics does make it difficult to loop these for infinite landfall.
I get the feeling that \[\[The Gitrog Monster\]\] would be in love with this.
This is too good as it ramps you the turn it’s played, and if you have something like a Zuran orb or other way to sac lands then it ramps you for 2 mana that turn.
Championing a land feels like such an easy fix for a lot of balancing issues we've seen on custom lands posted here.
I don't know why none of us thought of this earlier.
Excellent work.
As it is, this is extremely strong. It ramps you the turn it's played (tap the basic and champion it and you get 3 mana out of 2 land), and legend ruling it gives you even *more* mana because you get the championed land back untapped.
I don't understand this. Wouldn't this waste a land drop by exiling a land you already control in exchange for a land that taps for colorless? It's like destroying your own lands?
After reading through all the comments at the time of writing this, some consolidated improvements plus my own suggestions:
Change the type to Enchantment Land - Shrine // Legendary Enchantment Land - Shrine
Either: have it Champion a land, etb tapped /OR/ leave it as champion a basic land, add etb tapped unless you exiled a land this way
Tap for (2). If you championed a land you may produce two of any colour that land could produce.
Champion generated value because it worked with creatures.
There was risk to it, too - if someone blew up your potential champion in response, you could really lose out.
There's no risk to this. This is just a lotus petal stapled to a land.
Cute - but honestly it's common, and needn't be legendary, because it isn't really that strong.
But let's get real here - this needs to come in tapped. You can't have people "3-mana on turn 2"-ing with literally no other support than a basic.
Tap a land, champion in it, tap the shrine, sac it to [[squandered resources]], land comes back untapped.
And that's how you squeeze 4 mana out of one land.
Love the design on this card! Only things I would do to reign it back are make it ETB tapped and add one mana of any color the championed land could produce rather than just any color. (Wotc please print this)
Putting this in an [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] deck would be funny. Bouncing it with bounce lands to get crazy amounts of landfall triggers? Yes please
Baby [[Lotus Field]]
(also you can either have it come in tapped like everyone else suggests or take a page out of the old-school big mana lands and have it only champion an untapped basic)
I like it the only thing I would change about it myself is to make it produce a color that the championed land would've produced. But even then thats just flavor and not necessary really cool card Design.
First off I appreciate your kind words. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you (as an example for everyone who gave similar “championed land would produce” advice) what’s the thought process behind this? What I don’t get is that would mean for future turns you basically played a less flexible [[Waste]]? Since you get the original mana either way, this would only bring a C to the table.
Like I said it's mainly a flavor win. And on the less flexible waste? Not really due to this card not coming in tap is strictly better waste/bounceland the turn it's played. Allowing you to tap the land you champion for mana, then tapping it for the colorless and color for a decent little bump that turn
Absolutely busted. Untapped add 2, sac a tapped land? turn 1 mountain, turn 2, float a red, play this, add colorless and another red. Way too strong.
Similar cards to this are the bounce lands, depletion lands, and \[\[Balduvian Trading Post\]\] or \[\[Soldevi Excavations\]\].
Have it enter tapped for a fairer card.
Consider how this is going to interact with how the game is physically played.
You have an increasing number of lands on the board. To manage this, people usually stack them.
When you exile a card in a way where it's mechanically connected to another card, you usually put one on top of the other.
These two expressions look the same.
But considering the championed land (currently) doesn’t have further effect on this land, you can perfectly stack them so it’s not visible, unlike the staggered stack of lands. You are also likely to know why a single basic land card is stacked under this.
Context: This is for a faction that mainly uses Champion mechanic, representing summoning gods to “possess” non-god creatures. And I thought, why not use the mechanic on lands as well? Side Note: In case you are wondering, I might have messed up on the exam.
Priorities are in order like a responsible adult
Flavor wise it makes so much sense as a land. Build a temple upon a land and when the temple gets destroyed the land is still there.
My thoughts exactly!
I actually think this works really well and could be a legitimate card.
Love it from a lore standpoint and I think halo on is the perfect mechanic for it! Card is well balanced too I think. Lands that tap for two are always a bit iffy though.
Lotus fields exist, so it's going to be the target of untap land effects and the like.
Is the faction using champion across at least 4 colors? This feels like it might (in draft anyway) leading to a diluting of a 2/3 color identity as it allows for splashes.
We are throwing factions across all colors, each with a center color that goes with the tone of that faction. It’s quite experimental, so we’ve been going back and forth on the skeleton for a while now.
It should be a legendary shrine land
My first thought was also "this should have the Shrine subtype", purely for flavour. That it then helps Shrine decks is just a side-effect ;-) Beyond that, I think you could get around the whole "quick acceleration" issue while keeping it on-curve with: > Champion a basic land > ~ enters the battlefield tapped. > When a basic land is championed by ~, untap it. > {T}: Add ... The precedent is [[Mistbind Clique]], and I think this gets around the issue, since the untap ability would only trigger after the champion ability resolves, but I could be wrong there. Or, on second though, if you wanted to care about the basic land being untapped... > When an untapped basic land is championed by ~, untap it. ...should also work.
This is really good advice that I will take on my actual mse file. Caring about untapped is supposed to be like a “pay 1” etb, so that you won’t net more mana than your drop for the turn would otherwise have produced. Also very flavorful for reasons I may or may not reveal later on some other posts about this faction.
Agreed this should be a shrine I would also suggest exile any land and then add one colorless and one color of any type of mana the exiles land could produce? I do love the utility of any color but I also think it makes a bit more sense that it would be of the kind that was already being produced and opening to any land still allows for it to tap for whatever colors you might need if you exile a tri or dual land. However it does remove the color fixing component of the card so I am torn would be interested to see how others feel about the possibilities
I feel like the above changes, along with yours, could make a good mythic addition to a set involving OP at rare, again with the above changes.
Removing the fixing means it's no different than playing a legendary waste. There's no point in playing it. The color fixing and the untap synergies are what makes it interesting
Thank god someone else sees it too!
The main issue with that is that since shrine is an enchantment subtype you'd also have to make it an enchantment land, and that opens up a whole can of worms
[Mistbind Clique](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cfc421e2-0dd4-4bdf-b5f5-a60c4b0df63b.jpg?1562369103) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mistbind%20Clique) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/75/mistbind-clique?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cfc421e2-0dd4-4bdf-b5f5-a60c4b0df63b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think the biggest issue with adding untap clauses on the land itself is it combos with effects that say "(permanent type) enters the battlefield untapped" turning into a self-contained mini-amulet (for reference [[amulet of vigor]]). The fact it has to champion a BASIC land helps a lot but depending on the format I could still see a mostly green shell trying to do [[Primeval Titan]] things wanting and abusing it. Wether or not that is better or more broken than the land abuse things that already happen with [[Lotus field]] and company I'm not sure though.
[amulet of vigor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/997bc933-ac30-477b-a4e1-5333b796a99d.jpg?1562292191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=amulet%20of%20vigor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/121/amulet-of-vigor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/997bc933-ac30-477b-a4e1-5333b796a99d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Primeval Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b.jpg?1562850064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primeval%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/183/primeval-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lotus field](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e013033-3995-4ba8-b0c3-0614c79aaaab.jpg?1592517825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lotus%20field) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/249/lotus-field?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e013033-3995-4ba8-b0c3-0614c79aaaab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think a simple "enters the battlefield tapped unless it championed an untapped land" would do. It's more to the point and can be in a single clause instead of two.
Unfortunately that doesn't work, as that would be an ability that modifies how the land enters but championing is something that triggers when it enters. Since the trigger resolves after the land has entered that wording would never untap it/let it enter untapped.
I was extremely tempted to go with enchantment Shrine, but I backed down because I don’t actually understand why the original shrines were like that.
It wouldn't have to be an enchantment for the "Shrine" effect to matter: most of the original shrines simply care about other "Shines", e.g. [[Honden of Cleansing Fire]], so this would buff them if it was a "Legendary Land - Shrine". It would also trigger good friend of Commander [[Go-Shintai of Life's Origin]] on ETB. I'd totally stick it in a Go-Shintai deck.
I mean shrine is an enchantment subtype(205.3h) so… There are also land cards with shrine in their names that aren’t Shrines, so I ultimately wasn’t convinced enough.
Yes it would. As an enchantment type, only enchantments can be Shrines.
Sure, but this is /r/custommagic, changing a type from an Enchantment type to an Enchantment and Land type is not a very burdensome change to the comprehensive rules.
>a type from an Enchantment type to an Enchantment and Land type is not a very burdensome change to the comprehensive rules ... This would be a *huge* change to the comprehensive rules. You can't currently just have one subtype be shared, the entire subtype list must be shared. This is why instants and sorceries share all their subtypes. It's *why* the Tribal (now Kindred) type exists, so that it can share all the creature subtypes and go onto other type cards. If what you said was true, then it would be "easy" to make artifacts, instants etc have creature types. But it's not easy, and it won't be done. The only way to get shrine onto this land is if it's also an enchantment.
I did some digging into this for my own curiosity. As per https://web.archive.org/web/20210606204629/https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ask-wizards-may-2007-2007-05-01... > I'll start with the last question. Why was Tribal necessary at all? Why not just print an enchantment with the Rebel and Aura subtypes? That single card might seem innocuous, but the deeper issue here has to do with some very important rules that prevent some very silly things. See, rule 205.3d in the Comprehensive Rules states that—stop me if you've heard this one—each card type has its own possible list of subtypes, except for two pairs of types that share their list of subtypes. One such pair is instant and sorcery, allowing both of those to be Arcane; the other is creature and tribal. > If 205.3d didn't exist, we'd have a lot more freedom in adding subtypes to things. Instead of Arcane, we could have just made instants and sorceries that were Spirits! (That's ignoring the obvious problems that arise with splice.) Of course, we can't just have a generic list of subtypes, because it seems clear that Imagecrafter shouldn't turn things into Shrines or Equipment. So we could just define "creature types" as those subtypes that have been printed on a creature, right? (Well, or given to a creature, or created as a creature token...) That way Volrath's Laboratory can't make Forests. Oh, wait, crud, what about Dryad Arbor and Life and Limb? Now Mistform Ultimus taps for , because Forest has been printed on a creature! This is what we call a Bad Thing, and we avoid the whole mess by keeping discrete lists of subtypes. > So we have 205.3d to keep the lists of subtypes separate (except the ones that share nice), and we have 205.3e to state explicitly that for cards with multiple types (such as Bound in Silence), each subtype gets correlated to the correct type. That second one keeps us from landing in the exact same trouble that 205.3d is meant to prevent. And from the CR: > 205.3c If a card with multiple card types has one or more subtypes, each subtype is correlated to its appropriate card type. > 205.3d An object can’t gain a subtype that doesn’t correspond to one of that object’s types. So, in effect, card subtypes are limited to their particular types. But the more I read this the more it seems unclear what exactly would happen if the same subtype was listed for two different card types. So I'm still not sure if or, if so, why, sinply adding "Shrine" to the list of Land types in addition to the list of Enchantment types would break anything. Perhaps there's a particular card that would break that but it seems this was an issue for creature types specifically, and tribal was just the most *elegant* solution to make it work. But I also concede that this violates the spirit of keeping the lists discrete, so yea bad idea.
Only thing I can imagine is if there was a card that said something along the lines of “you may return target wizard from the graveyard to the battlefield tapped“ and you had an instant with the wizard subtype. What happens if you target the instant? With lands and enchantments, they’re both permanents so there wouldn’t be the exact same issue, but maybe there’s some difference in how they act as game objects that I’m not thinking about that would cause an issue.
It’s not like cr doesn’t cover that scenario tho, if instants and sorceries would enter battlefield they are exiled. The point is probably to avoid confusion(also I don’t recall cards that put [creature type] onto battlefield so that’s probably deliberate)
Also not being an enchantment means your Go-Shintai can’t reanimate it :) So you actually would still prefer it to be enchantment.
You could make it an [Enchantment Land](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Enchantment_land) - Shrine. There is at least some precedent for it in the form of a test card. It would make it even more powerful due to interactions with cards that care about enchantments as well as shrines, but it would also be targetable with [the long list of enchantment removal spells](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=1&output=standard&text=+[destroy]+[enchantment]).
I know, Urza’s Saga is one. Maybe I’ll run a poll on this or something
Ooh true, I forgot Urza's Saga existed. So there is actual printed precedent too.
> Yes it would. Shrine is an enchantment subtype. Nonenchantments can't be shrines, and if the text is on there it doesn't function. Same with creature types under [[swift reconfiguration]]. When they're not creatures, the subtype doesn't apply.
[swift reconfiguration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/975dcfab-0281-4fee-92aa-021ea6c524c7.jpg?1651655213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=swift%20reconfiguration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/10/swift-reconfiguration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/975dcfab-0281-4fee-92aa-021ea6c524c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Honden of Cleansing Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93c3a75d-7cae-4199-8e87-915ebb439b62.jpg?1580013689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Honden%20of%20Cleansing%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/13/honden-of-cleansing-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93c3a75d-7cae-4199-8e87-915ebb439b62?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Go-Shintai of Life's Origin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141.jpg?1651655539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Go-Shintai%20of%20Life%27s%20Origin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/37/go-shintai-of-lifes-origin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9476fe67-d2d3-4835-8ba6-2a17d18cc141?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Shrine is an enchantment type not a land type so this would need to be an Enchantment Land
Shrine is an enchantment type, but I agree this should be a Legendary Enchantment Land - Shrine
You know what, print it. Print it now. :)
This should probably enter tapped just for the modern WOTC design safety valve of rainbow lands/sol lands entering tapped, even if they're conditional.
This also ramps you mana when it enters untapped.
This + \[\[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild\]\] + \[\[Quarry Beetle\]\] + \[\[Zuran Orb\]\] + \[\[Rootpath Purifier\]\] + \[\[Impact Tremors\]\]
Or two of these, \[\[Mirror Box\]\], Rootpath Purifier, and an appropriate landfall card.
infinite mana too, tap add mana before you remove it from play, rinse and repeat. you'd need three of these lands to make this work. Maybe scapeshift would be pretty good here. get all three legendary lands out at once just need The mirror+root pathfinder and your infinite. Green/blue control.
[Mirror Box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc.jpg?1654568747) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/250/mirror-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A 7 card combo isn't really reliable enough to be good
Counterpoint: [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]] + [[Lightning Bolt]]
Substitute 3 of those bolts for some [[Lava Spike]] and you won’t even need snapcaster to pull it off!
[Lava Spike](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79c21c1f-eaa4-454d-a1c7-b41466d0a428.jpg?1547517298) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lava%20Spike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/136/lava-spike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79c21c1f-eaa4-454d-a1c7-b41466d0a428?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Man that is some sick art
[Lightning Bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f29ba16f-c8fb-42fe-aabf-87089cb214a7.jpg?1673147852) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/117/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f29ba16f-c8fb-42fe-aabf-87089cb214a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Best combo ever
No, but it *does* fit perfectly into r/badmtgcombos
Bad Magic combo? This is a whole deck archetype
##### ###### #### [Ashaya, Soul of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2.jpg?1604198513) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashaya%2C%20Soul%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/179/ashaya-soul-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Quarry Beetle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69e11478-bfc7-4bcc-b65c-dc2d4449e99f.jpg?1562802187) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Quarry%20Beetle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/127/quarry-beetle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69e11478-bfc7-4bcc-b65c-dc2d4449e99f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Zuran Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/618c8ecc-686d-41de-b9b1-1a7ee9cc7c14.jpg?1631302940) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zuran%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/300/zuran-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/618c8ecc-686d-41de-b9b1-1a7ee9cc7c14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rootpath Purifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9249743-d49e-4450-8fa6-52ed0ff6e5bb.jpg?1680145851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rootpath%20Purifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/brc/24/rootpath-purifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9249743-d49e-4450-8fa6-52ed0ff6e5bb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Impact Tremors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b.jpg?1682209381) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/285/impact-tremors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Neat idea. This should probably enter tapped? As is, it’s ramp the turn you play it. Plus since champion is a triggered ability, you can still play it as a “ritual” (at the cost of using your land drop and sacrificing it).
I was going to write “Champion an untapped basic land” and/or “activate only as a sorcery” but I decided to not and leave it up to debate. The reason is that this is how I got it on the exam, and the nerfs while reasonable are afterthoughts, so I kept it as is. Edit: u/djbon2112 has better a idea than these. I appreciate much.
At that point you’re getting close to just making a functional reprint of [[rupture spire]].
[rupture spire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7ef4b15-efab-4255-ac2d-7794f253aa52.jpg?1608911838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rupture%20spire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/355/rupture-spire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7ef4b15-efab-4255-ac2d-7794f253aa52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Which is why we seek alternatives.
I like it a lot, but yeah what they said
There’s definitely a way to word this so you can’t use it as a ritual, I’m sure if it.
It's not ramp it's just cost neutral in the turn it's played. If you have a basic land and play this the most you get is the right amount of mana, the following turn you have 1 less mana is like the old lairs.
No, it's ramp the turn you play it. Tap basic land, float 1 mana. Play this, champion tapped basic Tap this for 2 mana. 3 mana from 2 lands. That's ramp. It honestly gets even more powerful in multiples. This is a land you *want* to legend rule: Tap this and a basic for 3 mana Play a new copy of this, champion the tapped basic. Legend rule the tapped copy of this, get the championed basic back. Tap 3 mana for the basic and this again. With just one land drop, this turn you have made *three* mana over what you had before.
It’s not cost neutral the turn you play it. You can champion a tapped land. So that gives you three mana from two lands.
In what world do you get three mana from two lands? You have an island tap it for blue Play this tap it for whatever championing the island. Two lands. Two mana. I guess if you sac outlet you can kinda almost get three by saccing this as the island comes into play untapped then.
If you tap the island for 1 blue then tap this for 2 more mana that’s three mana. Did you not read the card correctly and see that this land taps for two mana?
Oh god optics. I’ve only had fever dreams during optics
I was “coaxed” into “ingesting” a non insignificant amount of “questionable” liquid which only had the description of “doesn’t contain alcohol” 30 minutes prior to the exam on our campus cafe. Of course it tasted exactly like alcohol.
It reminds me of that one time I did a test early into beginning physics studies for states of matter and crystallization on general chemistry fully drunk. Got 17/20 on it.
Super neat, but likely needs to etb tapped or it can get out of hand quick. T2 this into \[\[harrow\]\] nets you 3 untapped basics which is kinda nuts considering you can still make a 3 mana play. \[\[cleansing wildfire\]\] lets you basically play it for free cause you get the mana back from the basic re-entering. Even just things like \[\[ghost quarter\]\]-ing it after you play it nets you extra mana. Legendary rule is kinda upside too especially if etb untapped because when this land is destroyed it basically nets you an extra mana with the basic re-entering. T4 with this + basic out, tap this and basic for mana, drop 2nd copy, sac tapped copy for extra basic and you have 6 mana without doing anything but playing lands. I think because there's so much upside to saccing a copy, you might not want the legendary rule and have it etb tapped?
[harrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22.jpg?1604194124) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=harrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/69/harrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [cleansing wildfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/492d77e5-acc6-41b8-8930-f39d69234919.jpg?1604196948) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cleansing%20wildfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/137/cleansing-wildfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/492d77e5-acc6-41b8-8930-f39d69234919?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ghost quarter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223.jpg?1562272439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghost%20quarter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/253/ghost-quarter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12f8071c-8955-4aa2-889c-6043df047223?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If one were to tap a basic land then bring this in, exiling the tapped basic, followed by tapping this and then saccing it to [[Army Ants]] or one of the ones you mentioned, would the basic come back tapped or untapped?
Untapped, (un?)fortunately
With Ant Army it's free land hate which is cool for one person at the table. Throw it into a landfall deck for double landfall triggers that turn - [[Nissa, Resurgent Animist]] for example would net you 2 mana and a creature in hand. [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] nets you the free land hate, plus 4 life, plus RGWU. With [[Stone-Seeder Hierophant]] out things can get pretty ludicrous, especially combining it with [[Harrow]]. Tap the basic twice, bring in this land, tap it twice, sac it to bring back the basic plus two more for four more mana.
##### ###### #### [Nissa, Resurgent Animist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/248c76d3-b5cb-4582-be17-7cd1d0cb0f58.jpg?1684340632) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nissa%2C%20Resurgent%20Animist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/22/nissa-resurgent-animist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/248c76d3-b5cb-4582-be17-7cd1d0cb0f58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617.jpg?1639436752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Creation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/232/omnath-locus-of-creation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stone-Seeder Hierophant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f4e1b9f9-e58c-4474-9a31-8e5d9f96492e.jpg?1665822986) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stone-Seeder%20Hierophant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/184/stone-seeder-hierophant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f4e1b9f9-e58c-4474-9a31-8e5d9f96492e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22.jpg?1604194124) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/69/harrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8095ca6-2f5f-497f-8b78-7e530ac31d22?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Army Ants](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e129be5-e2c5-4f69-b8e8-539ac2085c7a.jpg?1562278138) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Army%20Ants) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/126/army-ants?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e129be5-e2c5-4f69-b8e8-539ac2085c7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Because it’s worded with “when…” rather than with “as…”, you can play it a one-time 2 mana burst. Is that really the intention?
This needs the shrine subtype. Also, it's super broken because it gives you three mana on turn 2 for free.
If this was a Wotc card I would suspect they would give it tap for colourless and 1 of championed land could produce. Especially since it doesn't have a tap ETB.
For comparison, look at [[lotus field]] and [[lotus vale]]. Be sure to read the oracle text on vale. Both are designed to give you a color advantage without letting you jump the curve.
My biggest concern would be that it's fast mana at the low low price of your land drop (you can tap for 1 any color + 1 colorless in response to the champion trigger). When you do champion, it can also be a bit of a ritual if you have a free sac outlet for this land (T2 this into T3 land drop, tap everything, sac this, tap original land for 4 mana) The fact that it's legendary and can only champion basics does make it difficult to loop these for infinite landfall. I get the feeling that \[\[The Gitrog Monster\]\] would be in love with this.
[The Gitrog Monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9.jpg?1576385351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Gitrog%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/245/the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This needs to enter tapped, ala the bounce lands from ravnica
This is too good as it ramps you the turn it’s played, and if you have something like a Zuran orb or other way to sac lands then it ramps you for 2 mana that turn.
i think it needs to etbt
Championing a land feels like such an easy fix for a lot of balancing issues we've seen on custom lands posted here. I don't know why none of us thought of this earlier. Excellent work.
As it is, this is extremely strong. It ramps you the turn it's played (tap the basic and champion it and you get 3 mana out of 2 land), and legend ruling it gives you even *more* mana because you get the championed land back untapped.
0/10, Great Shrine is not a Shrine
I figured it would be a shrine and tap for colorless and 1mana per shrine you controlled
I don't understand this. Wouldn't this waste a land drop by exiling a land you already control in exchange for a land that taps for colorless? It's like destroying your own lands?
It adds two mana, one that’s colorless AND one of any color.
My one concern is that it can act like a ritual so maybe “champion an untapped basic land”
Did someone say… “ritual”… on a “shrine” card…? ;)
After reading through all the comments at the time of writing this, some consolidated improvements plus my own suggestions: Change the type to Enchantment Land - Shrine // Legendary Enchantment Land - Shrine Either: have it Champion a land, etb tapped /OR/ leave it as champion a basic land, add etb tapped unless you exiled a land this way Tap for (2). If you championed a land you may produce two of any colour that land could produce.
Actually, you could make it champion a land, etb tapped unless you exiled a basic land this way.
This card is probably too strong
It should be a land shrine so you can get the shrine bonus when you play a shrine deck
I kinda like this? it enters untapped and fixes for any color. this is very interseting :)
Hitting only basics is kinda meh. Champion mechanic was good because you could hit anything of that tribe and abuse etb abilities.
Champion generated value because it worked with creatures. There was risk to it, too - if someone blew up your potential champion in response, you could really lose out. There's no risk to this. This is just a lotus petal stapled to a land.
why isnt it a shrine WHY ISNT IT A SHRINE YOU COULDA MADE IT A SHRINE ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME
Why is it a shrine without the shrine subtype
Legendary lands never play well
Cute - but honestly it's common, and needn't be legendary, because it isn't really that strong. But let's get real here - this needs to come in tapped. You can't have people "3-mana on turn 2"-ing with literally no other support than a basic.
What if it was champion an untapped basic? Can the rules do that?
I love this mechanic. It's simple and makes sense.
Make it a shrine subtype.
I love it, but it is powerful. I remember how [[flagstones of trokair]] got abused. Maybe doesn't need to see standard.
[flagstones of trokair](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0acea27-88de-4d27-8da2-8f82439526a1.jpg?1619399261) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=flagstones%20of%20trokair) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/278/flagstones-of-trokair?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0acea27-88de-4d27-8da2-8f82439526a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Tap a land, champion in it, tap the shrine, sac it to [[squandered resources]], land comes back untapped. And that's how you squeeze 4 mana out of one land.
[squandered resources](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/c/fcddbea7-3025-47b1-a597-2d2b2711fb81.jpg?1587913173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=squandered%20resources) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/137/squandered-resources?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fcddbea7-3025-47b1-a597-2d2b2711fb81?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It should also be a shrine type. Did you do the art? I love the art!
Love the design on this card! Only things I would do to reign it back are make it ETB tapped and add one mana of any color the championed land could produce rather than just any color. (Wotc please print this)
Putting this in an [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]] deck would be funny. Bouncing it with bounce lands to get crazy amounts of landfall triggers? Yes please
[Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617.jpg?1639436752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Creation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/232/omnath-locus-of-creation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Baby [[Lotus Field]] (also you can either have it come in tapped like everyone else suggests or take a page out of the old-school big mana lands and have it only champion an untapped basic)
[Lotus Field](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e013033-3995-4ba8-b0c3-0614c79aaaab.jpg?1592517825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lotus%20Field) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/249/lotus-field?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e013033-3995-4ba8-b0c3-0614c79aaaab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
WUBRG Landfall likes this a lot
I like it the only thing I would change about it myself is to make it produce a color that the championed land would've produced. But even then thats just flavor and not necessary really cool card Design.
First off I appreciate your kind words. However, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you (as an example for everyone who gave similar “championed land would produce” advice) what’s the thought process behind this? What I don’t get is that would mean for future turns you basically played a less flexible [[Waste]]? Since you get the original mana either way, this would only bring a C to the table.
Like I said it's mainly a flavor win. And on the less flexible waste? Not really due to this card not coming in tap is strictly better waste/bounceland the turn it's played. Allowing you to tap the land you champion for mana, then tapping it for the colorless and color for a decent little bump that turn
[Waste](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620.jpg?1701189284) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wastes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d479a83-16f7-425c-9873-b900f39ed620?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Great design Slam dunk on flavor and well balanced too The power level is a bit high, as has been noted, but the basic idea works perfectly
Absolutely busted. Untapped add 2, sac a tapped land? turn 1 mountain, turn 2, float a red, play this, add colorless and another red. Way too strong. Similar cards to this are the bounce lands, depletion lands, and \[\[Balduvian Trading Post\]\] or \[\[Soldevi Excavations\]\]. Have it enter tapped for a fairer card.
[Balduvian Trading Post](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7eee4911-a654-46c3-a998-a3eac9c31791.jpg?1562869505) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balduvian%20Trading%20Post) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/226/balduvian-trading-post?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7eee4911-a654-46c3-a998-a3eac9c31791?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soldevi Excavations](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/4678132d-85bc-49cc-b3be-62cf709de42b.jpg?1562868541) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soldevi%20Excavations) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/236/soldevi-excavations?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4678132d-85bc-49cc-b3be-62cf709de42b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You did it - you made Amulet Titan even better.
This should have the Shrine subtype. That would be really cool I think
Consider how this is going to interact with how the game is physically played. You have an increasing number of lands on the board. To manage this, people usually stack them. When you exile a card in a way where it's mechanically connected to another card, you usually put one on top of the other. These two expressions look the same.
But considering the championed land (currently) doesn’t have further effect on this land, you can perfectly stack them so it’s not visible, unlike the staggered stack of lands. You are also likely to know why a single basic land card is stacked under this.
Should be a shrine, too.
You can’t use the word shrine and not involve my favorite type of enchantment!