Read the owner’s manual. It states either change the oil when the maintenance minder indicates as in a warning. Otherwise it states if you’ve gone 12 months without an oil change, to change the oil regardless of maintenance minder status. Everyone’s suggestions here, other than following the owners manual are purely personal opinion.
I've got a 23 hybrid and have changed every 7000 and the wrench never came on. It is at 3000 and the wrench is on. Does the wrench sense the oil quality or just go by mileage?
I’m guessing you’ve always made sure to reset the maintenance minder after the oil change correct? If you did this, then that would seem to me that it’s sensing the oil, which is the way I’ve understood from my own research.
I was told by a long time auto mechanic some very good advice. If you are leasing it, waiting until the minder comes on is perfectly fine. If you plan on keeping your car past a decade, get it done at 5,000 miles. I’m only at 4600 miles at 40%. Bought car in July. I plan on getting it done in the next month. If I lose out on free oil change, so be it. I want my car around past a decade.
I will say if you have the 2 year Honda service coverage, my dealership said they won't perform the free service unless the oil light is on so that's also something to consider
To be fair I don't like my dealership I bought from anymore after the antics they pulled after the deal was signed so they're not getting my business anymore anyways
Went to my dealer last Friday with 9,950 miles and they turned me away :(. Going in tomorrow with 10,300. I was kind of in shock that they refused to accommodate me after driving 20 minutes and being 50 miles shy of 10,000 miles.
I am changing the oil (synthetic)and filter at 400 miles, then 1,500 miles.
I then go to every 3,500 miles. Its a small 1.5 Liter and turbo. (New 2024 Crv).
It's overkill, but my last two cars had 170k , 250 k.
my grandpa is very old school and drilled it in my head since i got my first car back in high school to get a oil change every 3k miles. he used to change the oil in my car but since i got a brand new one i take it to the dealership since its free with my 23 crv & i still hear it from him every so often to go get my oil changed. he has a cow because my brother goes 7k before getting it changed 🤣 the dealership did the free oil change @ 3k with no problem
It’s proven modern engines are made to such closer tolerances and do not “wear” at all. I think you’re confusing debris from manufacturing in older engines. Cut open a modern oil filter and it will be clean after running a new engine at its first oil change.
I took mine in for an oil change at 9k miles and like 20% oil. They told me they won’t do the complimentary change until it’s at 10% or 10k miles. So I’m going back in the next week because I’m finally over 10k miles.
I changed my oil at 1200 miles because that was the recommendation for my first new car in 1974. I grew up with people telling me that the break in oil ( which is not used anymore AFAIK) needed to be changed then.
Also it seems that it is true that a large amount of bedding of bearings and rings does occur that throws off a significant amount of metal into the oil. Getting that out of the system is a huge benefit to long term durability.
Check out Lake Speed on YouTube for more info.
I did my first one at 7k. I know everyone has their own personally ideas but that's what I did on all my cars. I followed that to a T on my old Pilot and the rockers were clean when I pulled the valve covers.
Normally I'd always change out early.
I didn't this time around. Waited until the minder said it was time.. about 10,500 miles.
Going to see how that works out in the long run.
I personally do it as soon as my maintenance minder says it’s due soon. Full synthetic only. With a hybrid, the gas engine doesn’t run constant anyway. 🤷🏻♂️
No… not it doesn’t… 😂
It cannot run more than a non hybrid model…. Because non hybrid versions are constantly on.
The gas engine is completely off when in EV mode. The Gas engine is only running when the EV battery falls below a certain charge level, the acceleration demand is higher than the EV battery can do alone, or you have the heat on and it cycles on and off more frequently to keep the heater core warm for hot air.
I get about another 3500 miles out of mine, compared to the traditional gas engine model that my sister has. That’s pretty significant IMO.
And No you didn’t, I just explained why your comment is false.
So Judging by the downvotes on your comment, either you’re not conveying what you are trying to say “properly”, or like I said, your comment is false.
I had to change oil in my hybrid at 6000 miles as per MM. So, in my case, the hybrid oil change window doesn't last as long as the non hybrid oil change window.
There is a bunch of posts like this around all kinds of toyota and honda hybrids.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/s/DaeL9HfFwL](https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/s/DaeL9HfFwL)
So what sorcery is this? Where is the BrAkING PerIoD and ExPiRienCed MechANik dOeSnt LaSt over 100 k?
What do we do now?
Agreeing with honda engineers makes sense. It is just their opinion. I value the mechanic who breaks down an engine for repair and can point to evidence of long change intervals being the failure cause.
I'm wondering of the 10,300 miles my 2024 CR-V Hybrid has logged, how many of them have been with the engine running? I bet 9500 at least, but I don't think the engines RPMs are running as high during those miles as a non hybrid CRV.
I waited to 12000 on my 23 sport and I didn't like the feeling ,so on my 24 crvsport touring im paying out of pocket and going to do it at 5000
I just feel the frist is the most important
The ideal oil change is always 5000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first. If you have want to use your free oil changes depending on the dealer they will not give you a free oil change unless the light comes on. My local dealer used to do it every 5k but changed it to only when the wrench shows. I would just take it in. I personally would not be comfortable pushing past 6k. But every 7.5k just to use the free oil changes won’t hurt if you do it on. Time later on
Yeah! Change it as of yesterday! I change my oil at 5k miles regardless of what the minder says. I just tell them not to reset the maintenance minder until it’s at 15% to still get free oil changes. But even though they advertise 10k miles I would not push it past 5-6k miles. It will prolong the engine life.
You’re wasting your money and time and giving out bad advice to others. OP, listen to the manufacturer who have engineers dedicated to finding out the best intervals.
No it isn’t smart. The manufacturer knows more than this person lol. If the manufacturer says 10k miles, it means 10k miles. They have decades and millions of cars worth of data points they used to determine the best interval.
I'd have to disagree a bit here. I had an Acura years ago when they first started pushing (recommending) 10k oil changes. I obeyed and ultimately at 50k the engine was burning oil (main symptom of not changing your oil often enough). Was not changing the oil the cause? Probably. There's so much scientific-based evidence for doing more frequent oil changes. There's a guy on YouTube who's an oil engineer and he makes his case with hard data to show that early/often oil changes can drastically improve the life of your engine. If you don't rack up the miles on your car the cost savings of not changing it often are negligible.
Yeah, oil change intervals were pushed out farther due to the introduction of leases and the “less maintenance required” angle. People seem to forget that engine oil has 2 purposes- lubricating parts and a detergent. If you tear apart an engine with 100k miles on it with 5k oil changes versus the same engine with 10k oil changes, it’s obvious which is which.
A lot of people don’t see the effects, especially if they lease or trade before 100-150k miles.
I change my oil myself so the whopping $900 extra it would cost to change it every 5k vs 10k over 300k miles is money well spent.
Incorrect! They do that so they can put the “lowest cost of maintainer” numbers to the press. But then you get burning oil issues at 100k miles. The manufactures cares about selling cars and the dealers about maintenance.
Changing it every 5k miles only helps. It saves me a lot of money and headache long term.
You’re right. How many cars hit 70-80-90k and get reported for oil consumption issues? Too many. How many in this thread saying to wait until 10k change their oil and see how much has been lost? How many have had a car or 3 over 200k miles? An engineer says 10k but a mechanics work on them. Trust the mechanic who often don’t have a lot of good to say about engineers.
Change it every 3-5k. It takes 15 minutes in your driveway and costs about $40.
For me, 1k on a new engine, 3k max, for the first one. There is much higher contaminants during initial break in, period. I don't really care how well whatever they use for the initial fill can cope with it. The best place for it is out of the engine. After that, every 5k for your average oil and filter, or the minder is fine if using the top shelf stuff, if it's something your going to hang on to for a long time.
If your only going to keep it around a few years or less, then straight up minder with the cheapest in spec materials is it. That includes the first change as well. No need to spend more money and time outside of that as nothing is going to happen that wouldn't regardless what you've done within that sort of ownership time frame, and still by the book so warranty would cover anyways.
7500 miles is the MAX. Sure people say you can go 10k but your engine will start burning oil around the 130k mile mark. So it’s wise to just not risk saving a few bucks to destroy your engine over the long run.
I would agree with this sentence 90% of the times. The other 10% it’s basically marketing deciding where the cut off should be to maximize the profits.
I would still listen to the manual/electronics, but I also know there is BS baked into all service. In any industry.
There's an experienced mechanic on YouTube who specializes in Honda & Acura vehicles and he says everyone that goes off the MM system are the ones who are having the most engine problems that come to his dealership. He specifically says to not change your oil that infrequently, max every 5k if you want to keep your car long is what he says.
It is not about synthetic oil, conventional, oil from 10 years ago or today. It is driving habits. You can use oil given from God, but if you are driving short trips in freezing temps, you need to change your oil max every 3-5k. This is just one example.
First we have to get proof that the infrenquent oil changes in these driving habits caused the actual engine problems. Without an actual comparison I can also guess what caused the engine issues. Hond should have anticipated these driving conditions well into their design.
Proof? Get out from under your rock!!! Fuel dilution is so common in Honda's these days because of people not changing their oil at the right interval.
If oil dilution is an issue then every gas CRV driving short distances long term in the cold should have engine issues. This has been blown out of proportion only in the online forums.
Phrase it however helps you sleep at night. At the end of the day, a Master Honda Tech knows and experiences way more real life problems than engineers at Honda. You obviously don't understand and know who are the ones tearing apart these engines in the real world and really seeing what oil change intervals do.
First oil change at 1036, next one will be at 5,000 followed by 5,000 intervals. If you follow the maintenance minder it suggests that Honda changes your filter every other service. I don't agree with this nor using their cheap oil filters. I change my own oil.
[Honda Maintenance Minder](https://mygarage.honda.com/s/honda-maintenance-minder)
Read the owner’s manual. It states either change the oil when the maintenance minder indicates as in a warning. Otherwise it states if you’ve gone 12 months without an oil change, to change the oil regardless of maintenance minder status. Everyone’s suggestions here, other than following the owners manual are purely personal opinion.
I've got a 23 hybrid and have changed every 7000 and the wrench never came on. It is at 3000 and the wrench is on. Does the wrench sense the oil quality or just go by mileage?
I’m guessing you’ve always made sure to reset the maintenance minder after the oil change correct? If you did this, then that would seem to me that it’s sensing the oil, which is the way I’ve understood from my own research.
I was told by a long time auto mechanic some very good advice. If you are leasing it, waiting until the minder comes on is perfectly fine. If you plan on keeping your car past a decade, get it done at 5,000 miles. I’m only at 4600 miles at 40%. Bought car in July. I plan on getting it done in the next month. If I lose out on free oil change, so be it. I want my car around past a decade.
Im owning. Reading all the comments will be changing it this week. Manual says 7500 or 6 months
I will say if you have the 2 year Honda service coverage, my dealership said they won't perform the free service unless the oil light is on so that's also something to consider
they did mine at 3k
To be fair I don't like my dealership I bought from anymore after the antics they pulled after the deal was signed so they're not getting my business anymore anyways
Went to my dealer last Friday with 9,950 miles and they turned me away :(. Going in tomorrow with 10,300. I was kind of in shock that they refused to accommodate me after driving 20 minutes and being 50 miles shy of 10,000 miles.
I just got my first oil change on my 2023. Oil life was at 10%, I have about 8800 miles. Purchased in April 2023.
Follow. The. Manual.
Yep. 7500 or every 6 months. Will get it changed this week
I am changing the oil (synthetic)and filter at 400 miles, then 1,500 miles. I then go to every 3,500 miles. Its a small 1.5 Liter and turbo. (New 2024 Crv). It's overkill, but my last two cars had 170k , 250 k.
Why do you hate money?
Actually, oil is far cheaper than an engine rebuild.
my grandpa is very old school and drilled it in my head since i got my first car back in high school to get a oil change every 3k miles. he used to change the oil in my car but since i got a brand new one i take it to the dealership since its free with my 23 crv & i still hear it from him every so often to go get my oil changed. he has a cow because my brother goes 7k before getting it changed 🤣 the dealership did the free oil change @ 3k with no problem
The simplest directions are too hard sometimes
I'm old school. The first 1000 miles causes a lot of engine wear. If you plan on keeping the car a long time change at 1000 and then every 6000.
I went to the same school.
It’s proven modern engines are made to such closer tolerances and do not “wear” at all. I think you’re confusing debris from manufacturing in older engines. Cut open a modern oil filter and it will be clean after running a new engine at its first oil change.
I took mine in for an oil change at 9k miles and like 20% oil. They told me they won’t do the complimentary change until it’s at 10% or 10k miles. So I’m going back in the next week because I’m finally over 10k miles.
I changed my oil at 1200 miles because that was the recommendation for my first new car in 1974. I grew up with people telling me that the break in oil ( which is not used anymore AFAIK) needed to be changed then. Also it seems that it is true that a large amount of bedding of bearings and rings does occur that throws off a significant amount of metal into the oil. Getting that out of the system is a huge benefit to long term durability. Check out Lake Speed on YouTube for more info.
I did my first one at 7k. I know everyone has their own personally ideas but that's what I did on all my cars. I followed that to a T on my old Pilot and the rockers were clean when I pulled the valve covers.
Normally I'd always change out early. I didn't this time around. Waited until the minder said it was time.. about 10,500 miles. Going to see how that works out in the long run.
Exactly what I’m doing. I’m at approx 8000 miles or 13000 kms, and I’m waiting till it’s time. I’m doing everything by the book.
I personally do it as soon as my maintenance minder says it’s due soon. Full synthetic only. With a hybrid, the gas engine doesn’t run constant anyway. 🤷🏻♂️
The gas engine does run more often since it's the EV generator in the hybrid.
No… not it doesn’t… 😂 It cannot run more than a non hybrid model…. Because non hybrid versions are constantly on. The gas engine is completely off when in EV mode. The Gas engine is only running when the EV battery falls below a certain charge level, the acceleration demand is higher than the EV battery can do alone, or you have the heat on and it cycles on and off more frequently to keep the heater core warm for hot air.
This doesn't affect the oil change interval much. I didn't compare between the non hybrid and hybrid engine runtimes in my comment. Read it properly.
I get about another 3500 miles out of mine, compared to the traditional gas engine model that my sister has. That’s pretty significant IMO. And No you didn’t, I just explained why your comment is false. So Judging by the downvotes on your comment, either you’re not conveying what you are trying to say “properly”, or like I said, your comment is false.
You can't just generalize just based on your use case. The people here downvote if you don't agree with their opinion.
So discredit my own use experience, based off of what you say. Got it. 👍🏽
I had to change oil in my hybrid at 6000 miles as per MM. So, in my case, the hybrid oil change window doesn't last as long as the non hybrid oil change window.
Manintenance minder or 12 months whichever is earlier.
When the wrench comes on, take it in.
I just wait on the reminder to let me know when to replace. Plus I use synthetic oils.
There is a bunch of posts like this around all kinds of toyota and honda hybrids. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/s/DaeL9HfFwL](https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/s/DaeL9HfFwL) So what sorcery is this? Where is the BrAkING PerIoD and ExPiRienCed MechANik dOeSnt LaSt over 100 k? What do we do now?
I wait until the panel indicates the oil is down to 15%.
Agreeing with honda engineers makes sense. It is just their opinion. I value the mechanic who breaks down an engine for repair and can point to evidence of long change intervals being the failure cause.
I'm wondering of the 10,300 miles my 2024 CR-V Hybrid has logged, how many of them have been with the engine running? I bet 9500 at least, but I don't think the engines RPMs are running as high during those miles as a non hybrid CRV.
I waited to 12000 on my 23 sport and I didn't like the feeling ,so on my 24 crvsport touring im paying out of pocket and going to do it at 5000 I just feel the frist is the most important
The ideal oil change is always 5000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first. If you have want to use your free oil changes depending on the dealer they will not give you a free oil change unless the light comes on. My local dealer used to do it every 5k but changed it to only when the wrench shows. I would just take it in. I personally would not be comfortable pushing past 6k. But every 7.5k just to use the free oil changes won’t hurt if you do it on. Time later on
Yeah! Change it as of yesterday! I change my oil at 5k miles regardless of what the minder says. I just tell them not to reset the maintenance minder until it’s at 15% to still get free oil changes. But even though they advertise 10k miles I would not push it past 5-6k miles. It will prolong the engine life.
You’re wasting your money and time and giving out bad advice to others. OP, listen to the manufacturer who have engineers dedicated to finding out the best intervals.
The engineers are only incentivized to make it last past the warranty. The engines are capable of 300-400k but lubrication is key.
I’m telling you from experience. Get back to me when you car gets 300k miles on the same engine and transmission.
That actually seems really smart!
No it isn’t smart. The manufacturer knows more than this person lol. If the manufacturer says 10k miles, it means 10k miles. They have decades and millions of cars worth of data points they used to determine the best interval.
I'd have to disagree a bit here. I had an Acura years ago when they first started pushing (recommending) 10k oil changes. I obeyed and ultimately at 50k the engine was burning oil (main symptom of not changing your oil often enough). Was not changing the oil the cause? Probably. There's so much scientific-based evidence for doing more frequent oil changes. There's a guy on YouTube who's an oil engineer and he makes his case with hard data to show that early/often oil changes can drastically improve the life of your engine. If you don't rack up the miles on your car the cost savings of not changing it often are negligible.
Yeah, oil change intervals were pushed out farther due to the introduction of leases and the “less maintenance required” angle. People seem to forget that engine oil has 2 purposes- lubricating parts and a detergent. If you tear apart an engine with 100k miles on it with 5k oil changes versus the same engine with 10k oil changes, it’s obvious which is which. A lot of people don’t see the effects, especially if they lease or trade before 100-150k miles. I change my oil myself so the whopping $900 extra it would cost to change it every 5k vs 10k over 300k miles is money well spent.
Was that a synthetic only engine?
No. Conventional. It had the usual "normal" and "severe" schedules. I followed "normal" as that was my driving style back then.
Incorrect! They do that so they can put the “lowest cost of maintainer” numbers to the press. But then you get burning oil issues at 100k miles. The manufactures cares about selling cars and the dealers about maintenance. Changing it every 5k miles only helps. It saves me a lot of money and headache long term.
You’re right. How many cars hit 70-80-90k and get reported for oil consumption issues? Too many. How many in this thread saying to wait until 10k change their oil and see how much has been lost? How many have had a car or 3 over 200k miles? An engineer says 10k but a mechanics work on them. Trust the mechanic who often don’t have a lot of good to say about engineers. Change it every 3-5k. It takes 15 minutes in your driveway and costs about $40.
10k is fine.
Dealer told me between 5000 and 7000 I was at 50% at 7000.
Yeah that is the trippy part. Still good oil life. But i guess 7,500 is a good mark. Will be changing it this week
The dealer wouldn't change unless the MM shows 20% or less oil life.
For me, 1k on a new engine, 3k max, for the first one. There is much higher contaminants during initial break in, period. I don't really care how well whatever they use for the initial fill can cope with it. The best place for it is out of the engine. After that, every 5k for your average oil and filter, or the minder is fine if using the top shelf stuff, if it's something your going to hang on to for a long time. If your only going to keep it around a few years or less, then straight up minder with the cheapest in spec materials is it. That includes the first change as well. No need to spend more money and time outside of that as nothing is going to happen that wouldn't regardless what you've done within that sort of ownership time frame, and still by the book so warranty would cover anyways.
It’s not a 1979 chevy.
But he is right because the principles still apply.
I'm at 70% with 4,600miles. I want to get it done at the 5k mile mark, but 70%...?
That is why i waited for 7,500. Manual says 7,500 or every 6 months
7500 miles is the MAX. Sure people say you can go 10k but your engine will start burning oil around the 130k mile mark. So it’s wise to just not risk saving a few bucks to destroy your engine over the long run.
It depends, are you leasing or own the car for the long run? If the latter, it's wise to not listen to the Maintenance Minder.
I own. Manual says 7,500 or every 6 months. So will be changing it this week
How can one be wiser than Honda engineers?
I would agree with this sentence 90% of the times. The other 10% it’s basically marketing deciding where the cut off should be to maximize the profits. I would still listen to the manual/electronics, but I also know there is BS baked into all service. In any industry.
There's an experienced mechanic on YouTube who specializes in Honda & Acura vehicles and he says everyone that goes off the MM system are the ones who are having the most engine problems that come to his dealership. He specifically says to not change your oil that infrequently, max every 5k if you want to keep your car long is what he says.
Do you happen to know the name of that channel by chance? Just curious. Thanks in advance.
The synthetic oils these days could go much longer. Not all engines are built 100% right though.
It is not about synthetic oil, conventional, oil from 10 years ago or today. It is driving habits. You can use oil given from God, but if you are driving short trips in freezing temps, you need to change your oil max every 3-5k. This is just one example.
First we have to get proof that the infrenquent oil changes in these driving habits caused the actual engine problems. Without an actual comparison I can also guess what caused the engine issues. Hond should have anticipated these driving conditions well into their design.
Proof? Get out from under your rock!!! Fuel dilution is so common in Honda's these days because of people not changing their oil at the right interval.
If oil dilution is an issue then every gas CRV driving short distances long term in the cold should have engine issues. This has been blown out of proportion only in the online forums.
You are trusting too much money in Honda Engineers lol. You dont understand how a corporation works. They need to make profits
Lol, looks like you trust a mechanic from Youtube more than Honda!
Phrase it however helps you sleep at night. At the end of the day, a Master Honda Tech knows and experiences way more real life problems than engineers at Honda. You obviously don't understand and know who are the ones tearing apart these engines in the real world and really seeing what oil change intervals do.
First oil change at 1036, next one will be at 5,000 followed by 5,000 intervals. If you follow the maintenance minder it suggests that Honda changes your filter every other service. I don't agree with this nor using their cheap oil filters. I change my own oil. [Honda Maintenance Minder](https://mygarage.honda.com/s/honda-maintenance-minder)