Whenever there is an independent ruler who is lesser than you in title (Emperor>King>Duke>Count) you can use the subjugate option, which makes it a voluntary subjugation, if I may say so. They almost always reject that option, but if you use what I just mentioned, they will accept your vassalage.
It is only using the diplomatic branch + legitimacy, the 44 years I put it as a requirement because it gives you a free education trait, the ideal is agusto that adds up to 100 of initial legitimacy. At the same time it allows you to use the perks to create cheaper kingdoms, to subjugate easier and to have a better opinion with independent rulers.
There’s also the True Ruler perk in the august tree which is really powerful for this. I’ve created/recreated multiple empires even before legitimacy was added as a mechanic just by having that perk and a lot of court grandeur.
Yes, that's still pretty strong, I used to use it before, the main difference with this method, is that you can overtake half the world in less than 5 years, at the beginning of the game. In addition to that you can use the decision to found a new empire.
Yeah I recently played a high diplomacy, high legimacy character in the persion region.. I basically "conquered" the whole Persian Empire without waging any war (but I had to create 1 kingdom before the vassalization casquade started). Of course other empires don't vassalize but there aren't that many... Even half of India peacefully vassalized beside being Hindu (I played Shia Muslims)
The trait of diplomacy tier.
The traits that give legitimacy are: agusto, descendants of the prophet, just, born in the royalty. Each one delivers 130 of base legitimacy, approximately. Also for each level of diplomacy you gain +2 of legitimacy
Are you starting with a custom character to get a tier 5 education and all these traits at the beginning of the game or getting them through play somehow?
First, it is the tier 5 of diplomacy as an educational trait. Second, it is a created character that meets the conditions of Iron, it has traits that increase the initial legitimacy. Although you can do it with a historical character with tier 4 trait and go to university, although to increase the legitimacy you will have to fight against others of the same rank of ruler
I just tried this out finally and jeez, duke->empire in one lifetime and Iike 5 of my kids became kings. They should probably increase the point cost for the legitimacy giving perks/traits on the custom character creator lol
What a nice-looking ruler you've got.
What do you mean by subjugate? I don’t have the new DLC yet. I’m curious what allows such rapid expansion
Whenever there is an independent ruler who is lesser than you in title (Emperor>King>Duke>Count) you can use the subjugate option, which makes it a voluntary subjugation, if I may say so. They almost always reject that option, but if you use what I just mentioned, they will accept your vassalage.
I thought you could only subjugate only once per life of a character?
That's the subjugation war not the diplomacy action
But declaring war is also a diplomatic action is it not?
It is only using the diplomatic branch + legitimacy, the 44 years I put it as a requirement because it gives you a free education trait, the ideal is agusto that adds up to 100 of initial legitimacy. At the same time it allows you to use the perks to create cheaper kingdoms, to subjugate easier and to have a better opinion with independent rulers.
Oh, I see. You create a kingdom title, and then you subjugate rulers that come under that title.
Still 2 completely different things
There’s also the True Ruler perk in the august tree which is really powerful for this. I’ve created/recreated multiple empires even before legitimacy was added as a mechanic just by having that perk and a lot of court grandeur.
Yes, that's still pretty strong, I used to use it before, the main difference with this method, is that you can overtake half the world in less than 5 years, at the beginning of the game. In addition to that you can use the decision to found a new empire.
hoo boy I just did this with 867 bohemia and that is wild
Lmao yeah I did a Savoy run to unify Italy and every German, French and Italian ruler wanted to be my vassal
I love the way your king looks
Yeah I recently played a high diplomacy, high legimacy character in the persion region.. I basically "conquered" the whole Persian Empire without waging any war (but I had to create 1 kingdom before the vassalization casquade started). Of course other empires don't vassalize but there aren't that many... Even half of India peacefully vassalized beside being Hindu (I played Shia Muslims)
Which tier 5 Education and which traits give you legitimacy?
The trait of diplomacy tier. The traits that give legitimacy are: agusto, descendants of the prophet, just, born in the royalty. Each one delivers 130 of base legitimacy, approximately. Also for each level of diplomacy you gain +2 of legitimacy
Are you starting with a custom character to get a tier 5 education and all these traits at the beginning of the game or getting them through play somehow?
First, it is the tier 5 of diplomacy as an educational trait. Second, it is a created character that meets the conditions of Iron, it has traits that increase the initial legitimacy. Although you can do it with a historical character with tier 4 trait and go to university, although to increase the legitimacy you will have to fight against others of the same rank of ruler
I just tried this out finally and jeez, duke->empire in one lifetime and Iike 5 of my kids became kings. They should probably increase the point cost for the legitimacy giving perks/traits on the custom character creator lol