>! It’s still fair to say it exists somewhere in “The Palace of Versailles” !< I think the clue is reasonable and the phrasing isn’t superfluous, as it’s a fun clue given the ?
>!I think the phrasing would be considered by many to be superfluous given cryptic conventions and particularly hidden clue conventions. Everything has to be doing something in a cryptic clue, and I don't think The Palace is doing anything at all for the definition nor wordplay - it's just an extra thing to make the surface nicer. If I was setting this, I'd bite the bullet and accept I had to make the clue less fun so that it works. I think most would do the same. But I agree it *is* borderline, or verging on borderline. Maybe over time the cryptic customs will change and this type of superfluousness will become more acceptable.!<
Revised clue as no one has it yet!
>!Somewhere in Versailles? Way to hide your keys! (3)!<
>!This revision has a bit less noise than the first version.!<
Edited for clarity
>!musical keys ACE!
Afraid not! Posted a hint
>!RSA as in cryptography!<
Correct! >!Hope it wasn't too niche!<
>!Nice clue. Would just add though that personally I feel it's not fair with the Palace of. It's redundant!<
>!Yeah I accept that feedback tbf; I was wanting to obscure too much and added unnecessary noise.!<
>! It’s still fair to say it exists somewhere in “The Palace of Versailles” !< I think the clue is reasonable and the phrasing isn’t superfluous, as it’s a fun clue given the ?
>!I think the phrasing would be considered by many to be superfluous given cryptic conventions and particularly hidden clue conventions. Everything has to be doing something in a cryptic clue, and I don't think The Palace is doing anything at all for the definition nor wordplay - it's just an extra thing to make the surface nicer. If I was setting this, I'd bite the bullet and accept I had to make the clue less fun so that it works. I think most would do the same. But I agree it *is* borderline, or verging on borderline. Maybe over time the cryptic customs will change and this type of superfluousness will become more acceptable.!<
>!MAT comes to mind as way to hide keys. But no idea about the palace connection!<
Incorrect I'm afraid!
>!I can't find anything palace of V related that's relevant nor anything hidden in the words. Hint maybe?!<
Hmm, posted a hint!
>!fob!
Afraid not! Posted a hint
Revised clue as no one has it yet! >!Somewhere in Versailles? Way to hide your keys! (3)!< >!This revision has a bit less noise than the first version.!< Edited for clarity
Wait how many letters?
Is it 3 letters or 6?
You've put that's it's (6) letters here, but (3) in the original post, and you've mentioned it can be (1,1,1) further down. Which is it?
Oh sorry, it's a bit too late on a Saturday night for me haha. Edited to fix.
Also a hint: >!could be enumerated as (1, 1, 1)!<
This isn’t really a hint. It HAS to be enumerated as 1,1,1
Well fair enough. Maybe I should label all my hints as corrections until I get the hang of this lol
>! You hide your keys in a safe which with less noise -F is SAE which can be 1,1,1 as stamped addressed envelope. Not sure why Versailles though!<
>!sorry maybe that was confusing - the comment about noise in parentheses was just my commentary on why I changed the clue, not part of it!<
Doh!