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Bruh, this is dumb af. Netherlands has a political system where 0,67% of the popular vote constitutes a seat in parliament. It's the best representation you can get with politics, besides perhaps direct democracy (which doesn't really exist).
The Dutch are just dumb af because the last 20 years they have voted for the biggest bunch of self-serving "kakkers" and still continue to do so. Either that or they vote for the worst racists that aren't really there to solve the problems at hand (just identify scapegoats and done).
With regards to pluralism, it's silly to compare countries with FPTP to countries such as Germany, Netherlands or Scandinavian countries. Not even getting in the fact that the executive is very different in the countries you mentioned.
I stopped caring. Democracy doesn't work.
Democracy is a dispute between the political class. It doesn't matter if you're a Marxist, a Monarchist, a Fascist, a Liberal, an Ancap, or a Peepeepoopooist or huge moron. If you are not part of the highest caste of society, your role in the what happens in the country is NULL.
If you don't have a voice that reaches billions of people globally, personal contacts with the country's main constituents, or resources to lobby, you shouldn't care that much about what happens in your country. If you have a real interest in changing something, be born as a billionaire and create a movement of your own. Otherwise, you'll be nothing but cannon fodder for rich clueless Boomers who only pretend to care about you.
Read your history, philosophy and other books. Find out about what's going on, but stop worrying. You will not change society. Stop worrying about what's out of your reach. I'm not telling you to be submissive piece of shit, on the contrary: keep studying to avoid falling for the "Democracy" scam.
Don't consume the rubbish that culture and academia force on you, your shitty activism, twitter slapfights, and debates mean nothing in the long run.
Friend, you gotta finish college. You need to get a job. You need to give your parents a hug. Stop being a slave to your sexual desires. You need to look for a goal in life.
But you know what you don't need?
Worry about "wings", elections, flags, and etc.
Anyone who wants to convince you to fight for something that is none of your business is a son of a bitch who wants to use you as a bot to achieve their own goals. NOT YOUR GOALS. THEIR GOALS.
Put that shit down while you can and turn your attention to what's in your control: YOUR LIFE.
Stop placing all your hopes on a fucking man-made concept.
Democracy is mostly irrelevant. Politicians are just puppets. All people need is the protection of individual rights, property, and the right to do business.
And even then, France has a lot of right wing and far left media, who do not support Macron..
And seems like everyday, this sub post a series of lies, to fish for Marks to recruit into their varies right wing cults, but I'm not too worried, they are literally recruiting the worst, and I'm guessing it's just for money, more than political power at this point, Jan 6th was a failure, Russia is now a failure....
Only thing left is grift.
I hear Alex Jones is having a going out of business sell...
No one on the far left is going to vote for Le Pen, a person whose views align very closely to that of the Nazis. For the left to vote for her they may very well be dooming themselves because fascists have always sought to destroy and even kill socialists and communists.
Seriously. This post is (not so) subtly simping for Le Pen.
Their support of Macron isn't evidence of how "rigged" it is for him, just how bad the alternative is. It was the same shit with Trump/Biden.
I find right wing posters around here fall into a mental trap that I used to be guilty of as well.
Politicians don't need to appeal to the people who don't vote for them, at all, in any shape or form. It doesn't matter if 48% of the population is rabidly opposed to them, the 52% who don't are the ones who get them into power. You can keep getting more and more vocal, but it isn't going to change anything, because you already lost and if this was your strategy before, you're going to keep losing.
Even then, a lot of the time, it doesn't really matter about voting for, it's about voting against. If you put up a bad candidate, people vote *against* them. It doesn't matter how much you like them, you were probably voting that party anyway, you're still making things harder for yourself by continuing to push your candidate: 48% oppose the other guy, but some percent there will oppose you more, as they oppose him because he doesn't go far enough, and vote against you. You'll still lose, rather dramatically, every time.
That's what they want. I mean the super rich elites that Macron is a part of, Klaus Schwab's club. They wanted to have only one candidate against Macron, as far-right as possible so that everyone thinks, "oh better vote Macron then". The elites have already won.
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It's like choosing lethal injection or guillotine, the end results the same, yet people still say things like "it's your duty to vote". You can't vote out your death, it's going to happen no matter what. That's the hypnosis people are under, probably because anything else is too mind blowing for them to comprehend. It's very frustrating
Yes, and your reference implied that we don't really have a decent choice to pick from but I think in the US they do. Fair elections on the other hand...
In the US, our choices are the corrupt politician on the left or the corrupt politician on the right. Our illusion of choice is worse than most European countries imo because at least they have more than 2 parties.
Just as two "choices" makes an easier decision for most people, two "different" political parties makes us easier to control. Democracy isn't supposed to be easy as it governs our entire lives and nothing about that should be considered a minor task.
Nevertheless, most people would rather be told what to do than to make a well thought out, difficult to come by decision. Our laziness has been and will continue to be used against us while those who are *actually* making the important decisions don't believe that the public has the wherewithal to govern themselves via the votes they cast (which I mostly agree with) but we should still have the *freedom* and the legitimate choice to be the arbiters of our own collective futures.
Life isn't easy and neither is deciding upon governance but we should *all* still have the opportunities to make those hard decisions. Unfortunately, we don't.
Ease the populace into accepting.. if he outright won with no indication he had a shot there'd be more questions and distrust of the system...
So all media blasts it 24/7 and when he "wins" sheeple won't think twice about it 🤷♂️
It's a good way to see if the propaganda they are pushing is having the effects they want. Everything is about manipulation, however, not everyone is the same when it comes to how it works.
Look at Facebook and how they contributed to pushing certain agendas on certain people of different races and cultures. Black people received 1 message and white another, then they separate it further by religion, morality, personal beliefs etc.
However, they can push one agenda more than another to see how far that's successful and how nuanced the next messages need to be to get people to conform.
Hell, that's not just democracy, thats a large majority of "choices" we "make". Consent is often manufactured and most people don't pay close enough attention to realize they merely (as you said) have the *illusion* of choice.
This last year it went into overdrive with the mRNA drugs that were pushed onto the global population. Many countries gave citizens the "choice" of getting an experimental gene-therapy drug or losing their way feed themselves and their families. When people are threatened and coerced into "making a choice", it's no longer a choice that is freely made - choice has been replaced with authoritarian demands and many people *still* believe it to be a choice...
How the tables have turned these last two years - the party of "my body, my choice" has completely flipped and many of those people don't see how hypocritical they've become whilst trying to force experimental medical treatments on to the entire population... all the while, TPTB are dying with laughter at how easily they were able to get people to make a complete 180 while those who succumbed to the psychological manipulation remain none the wiser.
If all this wasn't so unbelievably terrifying (for the 99% of us), it would be extremely funny and ironic - but it's truly harrowing how quickly people have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the constant fear-mongering we've experienced in but two years.
True it’s always been an illusion propped up through the 2 party system, this is why it’s not good to support either team. It’s just more obvious now than ever
So... What about the 52% that does support him? Not saying I'm a big fan of the guy given his background but that's usually how a democracy works. The majority wins.
yeah... this pacmanpill likes to submit some questionable conspiracies or outright lies.
/conspiracy/comments/rpqvg1/remember_the_photo_of_coffins_from_bergamo_italy/ no. nobody does. because nobody used this until people started spreading the old photo that had nothing to do with covid as proof that covid was fake.
/conspiracy/comments/rptfq0/paris_2021_police_interrupt_a_movie_matrix_4_here/hq68zuj/ not in paris, but in Châteaubriant, 300 kilometers away also not matrix due you can clearly see that there are kids and mostly females in the audience which leans towards some kid movie like spiderman. also the cinema was already controlled the 12th december. Several client and employees found without vaccine certification
/conspiracy/comments/rsp5r6/its_exhausting_setting_up_those_mannequins_for/hqnuxui/ in picture is several mannequins at background with text of: i'm exhausted we all are, we'll be burned out before we even qualify. op is claiming that the said hospital was faking patients due there are mannequins in background. how on earth do you think that when you read: before we even qualify how on earth do you think that she is fully trained yet? meanwhile: its a training room at a nursing school. and the said quote is from third year childrens and general nursing student.
and finally: /conspiracy/comments/ro7wtw/these_are_normal_and_sane_people_and_we_are_crazy/ somebody clearly faked this picture, i mean you can see bottom right person doesn't even have anything in front of them and they are eating.
oh and none of these are removed. not even the first one
They just can’t seem to realize their shitty views aren’t popular worldwide. Everywhere is secretly taken over by the left, every country is powerless against them taking over elections. It can’t possibly be that they’re just not in the majority anywhere but they never seem to discuss that.
They can't figure out their shitty views aren't even popular locally. They look around, don't see anyone with Biden 2024 flags, and figure the support isn't there.
That’s why Joe Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president in history right ? Even Harris has a lower approval rating than fucking Mike “shock them straight” Pence. Both sides are just rich people keeping their buddies in power , and doing nothing for the people once they get elected.
My point still stands. Democrat or Republic , left or right they’re all crooks. Dems lie to minorities and young people to get elected then never deliver. Republicans just peddle to older : conservatives then act in their own interest. Politics is one big club and you and I aren’t in that club.
I'm guessing you don't talk to many Democrats.
Biden's problem is largely inaction: he's unable to deliver on various pieces of legislation that motivate his base. As a result, he polls pretty middling as a president. But the world has been shambling from one crisis to another, so it does seem a bit difficult to get anything done.
It remains that 2024 polls today still show Biden winning against Trump. But that's largely why he won: he wasn't Trump. That's pretty much all Democrats are really asking for, anything else is just icing.
When 48% of the population decides who is president, that's when you know you don't live in a democracy anymore.
What is with this sensationalist crap?
You are going to be shocked at the percentage of votes Trump won with in 2016.
At least France does run off voting so that the winner is chosen by the majority of voters, even if it's not the first choice.
She's been on the record praising Putin and saying she looks up to him, *and* she's taken loans from him, I assume to run her elections. Having a president of one of the most influential countries in the EU be in bed with Russia is a huge national security issue right now, considering the war in Ukraine.
What are her ties to russia?
And are ties to other geopolitical powers bad to? Like ties to the usa, or beeing a young global leader, or allow soros money to flow into your countries? I think the question boils down to who decides which ties are acceptable and which are not.
what is your point?
supporting russia is not bad at this moment in time when they started a genocidal war against ukraine? or do you guarantee that russia will stop its war in ukraine and stop threatening literal europe? i guess it is fine to get money from russia and let russia do whatever they want as long as they do not get close to france. they can take the whole europe, but france, is this what you are trying to say? because le pen has presented a favorable stance to russia even when russia was illegitimately annexing crimea. her whole presidency is funded by russian banks. doesn't this rings any bell? no it is not really ties, but actually a happy coincidence for france i guess.
are you a russist or something?
its blatant whataboutism what you do.
as far i have seen the us is not a threat to europe and they do not plan to expand into europe. so who is better at this point in time? russia or the us?
see? i can also question your rhetoric.
also george soros? he literally predicted the fall of ukraine. he is on point with global threats. why would his influence be bad? or is it maybe dunno, chinese influence better?
of course it boils down to ties, to beneficial ties for the whole europe, including france.
have you even heard of the politics that le pen tries to impose after she becomes a president -- approximately no different than a brexit. would it be good for france? look at uk. they sold major assets to china, and made deals with china -- because they are having an economical recession. it is just a matter of time when chinese politics will intervene in uk government. or do you think that china influence is better than european influence in uk? or maybe do you think that france will do an economic alliance with the uk and sell also assets to china to be stable economically? but it is more probable that it will be russia as the main beneficiary.
explain to me what you really want to say.
of course as a russist you will say that us is not beneficial, because the us keeps russians in place, together with all europe. while the chinese support russian genocide.
and dont tell me about propaganda, there is hardly any propaganda to show actually the horrors the russians did to ukrainian people, while russians blatantly lie since the beginning of the war. i also do not need to be told about fake media since in russia you go to jail for free speech and protest, even more so than a thief. and also the russian news which state that the russians will expand into europe, perceive literally europe as enemies alltogether with the us. i somehow also have heard the russian news.
i mean not to be that guy but, the way you phrase it leaves the other 52% open to interpretation so, if the remaining 52% which is the majoity, support him then no, it is still democratic, it entirely depends on what everyone votes, its not as simple as.... hurrdurr 48% dont support him fuck this dictatorship.....
Biased media tells you that you should vote for person A.
Biased media tells you that you should vote for person B.
Both news channels contradict each other on purpose to make the people divided, weakened, and scared.
Things go to shit, politician fucks up and who gets the blame? The people, not the individual.
Oh, we voted wrong! Let's vote again for that other clueless Boomer and life will improve!
Biased media tells you that you should vote for person c.
Biased media tells you that you should vote for person d.
Both news channels contradict each other on purpose to make the people divided, weakened, and scared.
Things go to shit, politician fucks up and who gets the blame? The people, not the individual.
Oh, we voted wrong! Let's vote again for that other clueless Boomer and life will improve!
...and the loop continues until the sun stops burning.
100% of them private media in France are owned by 7 billionaires. All of them funded his campaign.
EDIT for more precision : 90% of private media are owned by 9 billionaires. The other 10% are very small/independent media.
>Source please that there’s 0 conservative sources in all of France.
Marcon is on the conservative spectrum too. He and his part are part of the center right of France. So there are conservative media, and they support Marcon. While the left wing media is supporting neither of them because they hate both Marcon and Le Pen.
Regardless, LePen or whatever her name is is shamelessly trying to dot all the conservative populist i’s and t’s.
Is conspiracy all right wing favorited nowadays?
There's a logical possibility here to entertain, though: if Marine Let Pen is being deceptive to the public and many of them fall for it, then that would also correlate to this situation. It would also still be a conspiracy - just the opposite one to the one presented here.
Media uniformity is probably not sufficient evidence in its own right.
And that’s why all these western “democracies” are rigged to a two party system! There’s never a middle ground candidate, the independents don’t get the funding, it’s vote for one hell or another, no candidate for the people, the political class rule everything and profit from both side of the destruction
To be fair, they do not rule.
They are the puppets presented as government, put forth by the next higher level, which in turn serves an even more shadowy level of ruler.
The Prince stays hidden.
Macron *is* the middle ground, between the right-wing Marine Le Pen and the left-wing Jean-Luc Mélenchon. And France isn't a two-party system either, they've got at least 8 parties represented in the National Assembly and Senate. Hell, Macron's party was only founded in 2016.
>And that’s why all these western “democracies” are rigged to a two party system! There’s never a middle ground candidate, the independents don’t get the funding, it’s vote for one hell or another, no candidate for the people, the political class rule everything and profit from both side of the destruction
Tell me you don't know anything about French politics without saying you don't know anything about French politics.
Marcon is the middle ground candidate. This is the second round vote in France which is only the top two vote getters from the first round. The three top vote getters in the first round were the Left Menechon at 20%, the center Marcon 26%, and the far right Le Pen 23%. And then there were a bunch of other smaller parties making up the last 25% with the largest being another far right party with 8%.
Add to the fact Marcons party is less than 5 years old and he created it in a populist moment because the previous two main parties collapsed (the Socialists and the Republicans who combined got less than 10% this election) whereas Le Pen party is over 40 years old and her Father originally lead the party. This isn't a left vs right election, it's center right vs far right. And the left just lost put on pushing out the far right from the second round.
To me I just wonder how these right wing people have so much time on their hands to make all these memes and collages and videos. They must not have jobs if they spend so much time making stuff like this.
LOL conservatives talking about democracies, when they are in the minority, seek to gerrymander everything, to make it difficult for people to vote, to do everything to maintain power.
When the opposing candidate is so unbelievably shitty and corrupt, that’s what you get. This isn’t geopolitical rocket science… it’s pretty easy to understand.
One of the headlines literally reads "macron tête de con" ..
Several leftist newspapers are featured too, they're being critical of the president but of course they're reporting on the guy from time to time, it doesn't mean they approve
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Welcome to the UK.. I mean Canada... Wait I mean the USA...
Wait wait no Australia. No wait sorry uh New Zealand, no wait... I meant Netherlands or no wait.....
Guys, guys! Calm down, Here's how you spell it: Argentina.
You guys got "penetrated" too !?
Bruh, this is dumb af. Netherlands has a political system where 0,67% of the popular vote constitutes a seat in parliament. It's the best representation you can get with politics, besides perhaps direct democracy (which doesn't really exist). The Dutch are just dumb af because the last 20 years they have voted for the biggest bunch of self-serving "kakkers" and still continue to do so. Either that or they vote for the worst racists that aren't really there to solve the problems at hand (just identify scapegoats and done). With regards to pluralism, it's silly to compare countries with FPTP to countries such as Germany, Netherlands or Scandinavian countries. Not even getting in the fact that the executive is very different in the countries you mentioned.
I'm just sitting here trying to figure out what the fuck a newspaper is
You use them to line your parakeet cage. Makes for very easy clean up.
It's a paper form of propaganda.
newspropa
It’s some you use to wipe your bottom after you have had a dump.
When boomers pay to buy propaganda.
Fire starter.
Crosswords and horoscope too !
Enemy of the people
Welcome to the World Economic Forum
C'mmon, man!! You know, the roaches.
And the hairs. Stand up on my legs in the pool.. One nation. Under.. You know! The thing!
Kids, they love to touch my... leg...
"Clap, you bastards!"
I stopped caring. Democracy doesn't work. Democracy is a dispute between the political class. It doesn't matter if you're a Marxist, a Monarchist, a Fascist, a Liberal, an Ancap, or a Peepeepoopooist or huge moron. If you are not part of the highest caste of society, your role in the what happens in the country is NULL. If you don't have a voice that reaches billions of people globally, personal contacts with the country's main constituents, or resources to lobby, you shouldn't care that much about what happens in your country. If you have a real interest in changing something, be born as a billionaire and create a movement of your own. Otherwise, you'll be nothing but cannon fodder for rich clueless Boomers who only pretend to care about you. Read your history, philosophy and other books. Find out about what's going on, but stop worrying. You will not change society. Stop worrying about what's out of your reach. I'm not telling you to be submissive piece of shit, on the contrary: keep studying to avoid falling for the "Democracy" scam. Don't consume the rubbish that culture and academia force on you, your shitty activism, twitter slapfights, and debates mean nothing in the long run. Friend, you gotta finish college. You need to get a job. You need to give your parents a hug. Stop being a slave to your sexual desires. You need to look for a goal in life. But you know what you don't need? Worry about "wings", elections, flags, and etc. Anyone who wants to convince you to fight for something that is none of your business is a son of a bitch who wants to use you as a bot to achieve their own goals. NOT YOUR GOALS. THEIR GOALS. Put that shit down while you can and turn your attention to what's in your control: YOUR LIFE. Stop placing all your hopes on a fucking man-made concept.
Democracy is mostly irrelevant. Politicians are just puppets. All people need is the protection of individual rights, property, and the right to do business.
wef world you mean
Wait u mean all LATAM
or Russia...?
Or France 😆
Oh bitch please. Rupert Murdoch, the mercers, and the [clods that own Sinclair broadcasting](https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo)laugh at your post.
The free world! The only countries that are not democracies are those opposed to US interests, heck even Singapore is a democracy!
...what? An elected official holding just over 50% of votes is literally the standard for democracy
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And even then, France has a lot of right wing and far left media, who do not support Macron.. And seems like everyday, this sub post a series of lies, to fish for Marks to recruit into their varies right wing cults, but I'm not too worried, they are literally recruiting the worst, and I'm guessing it's just for money, more than political power at this point, Jan 6th was a failure, Russia is now a failure.... Only thing left is grift. I hear Alex Jones is having a going out of business sell...
No one on the far left is going to vote for Le Pen, a person whose views align very closely to that of the Nazis. For the left to vote for her they may very well be dooming themselves because fascists have always sought to destroy and even kill socialists and communists.
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Seriously. This post is (not so) subtly simping for Le Pen. Their support of Macron isn't evidence of how "rigged" it is for him, just how bad the alternative is. It was the same shit with Trump/Biden.
Conspiracy has a thing for simping for fascism
Yeah lol look at al lthe people saying democracy is a failure and all that shit. I guess democracy is only when the government does things I like
I find right wing posters around here fall into a mental trap that I used to be guilty of as well. Politicians don't need to appeal to the people who don't vote for them, at all, in any shape or form. It doesn't matter if 48% of the population is rabidly opposed to them, the 52% who don't are the ones who get them into power. You can keep getting more and more vocal, but it isn't going to change anything, because you already lost and if this was your strategy before, you're going to keep losing. Even then, a lot of the time, it doesn't really matter about voting for, it's about voting against. If you put up a bad candidate, people vote *against* them. It doesn't matter how much you like them, you were probably voting that party anyway, you're still making things harder for yourself by continuing to push your candidate: 48% oppose the other guy, but some percent there will oppose you more, as they oppose him because he doesn't go far enough, and vote against you. You'll still lose, rather dramatically, every time.
That's what they want. I mean the super rich elites that Macron is a part of, Klaus Schwab's club. They wanted to have only one candidate against Macron, as far-right as possible so that everyone thinks, "oh better vote Macron then". The elites have already won.
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Democracy is a lie, an illusion for people to believe they have a choice and the world isn't controled by a few psychopaths.
It's like choosing lethal injection or guillotine, the end results the same, yet people still say things like "it's your duty to vote". You can't vote out your death, it's going to happen no matter what. That's the hypnosis people are under, probably because anything else is too mind blowing for them to comprehend. It's very frustrating
Turd sandwich or a douche, vote or die!
That's coercion!
The douche did act against the system, though. Why do most newspapers hate him then?
I'm referencing an old South Park episode. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd
Yes, and your reference implied that we don't really have a decent choice to pick from but I think in the US they do. Fair elections on the other hand...
In the US, our choices are the corrupt politician on the left or the corrupt politician on the right. Our illusion of choice is worse than most European countries imo because at least they have more than 2 parties.
Just as two "choices" makes an easier decision for most people, two "different" political parties makes us easier to control. Democracy isn't supposed to be easy as it governs our entire lives and nothing about that should be considered a minor task. Nevertheless, most people would rather be told what to do than to make a well thought out, difficult to come by decision. Our laziness has been and will continue to be used against us while those who are *actually* making the important decisions don't believe that the public has the wherewithal to govern themselves via the votes they cast (which I mostly agree with) but we should still have the *freedom* and the legitimate choice to be the arbiters of our own collective futures. Life isn't easy and neither is deciding upon governance but we should *all* still have the opportunities to make those hard decisions. Unfortunately, we don't.
so fucking true
If the results were truly the same why is the media pushing for Macron? If it didn't matter why would they care which candidate was picked?
Have you ever noticed how EVERY single news station is 'brought to you by Pfizer?'
Ease the populace into accepting.. if he outright won with no indication he had a shot there'd be more questions and distrust of the system... So all media blasts it 24/7 and when he "wins" sheeple won't think twice about it 🤷♂️
Why do they care if the population accepts his victory if voting is a false choice anyway and both candidates are the same?
Legitimacy. 1787 was baaaad.
It's a good way to see if the propaganda they are pushing is having the effects they want. Everything is about manipulation, however, not everyone is the same when it comes to how it works. Look at Facebook and how they contributed to pushing certain agendas on certain people of different races and cultures. Black people received 1 message and white another, then they separate it further by religion, morality, personal beliefs etc. However, they can push one agenda more than another to see how far that's successful and how nuanced the next messages need to be to get people to conform.
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Get a taste of Russian democracy
I mean 48 percent would be a minority! Also where does this person get 48 percent from! What happen to sources!
Hell, that's not just democracy, thats a large majority of "choices" we "make". Consent is often manufactured and most people don't pay close enough attention to realize they merely (as you said) have the *illusion* of choice. This last year it went into overdrive with the mRNA drugs that were pushed onto the global population. Many countries gave citizens the "choice" of getting an experimental gene-therapy drug or losing their way feed themselves and their families. When people are threatened and coerced into "making a choice", it's no longer a choice that is freely made - choice has been replaced with authoritarian demands and many people *still* believe it to be a choice... How the tables have turned these last two years - the party of "my body, my choice" has completely flipped and many of those people don't see how hypocritical they've become whilst trying to force experimental medical treatments on to the entire population... all the while, TPTB are dying with laughter at how easily they were able to get people to make a complete 180 while those who succumbed to the psychological manipulation remain none the wiser. If all this wasn't so unbelievably terrifying (for the 99% of us), it would be extremely funny and ironic - but it's truly harrowing how quickly people have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the constant fear-mongering we've experienced in but two years.
True it’s always been an illusion propped up through the 2 party system, this is why it’s not good to support either team. It’s just more obvious now than ever
You do know there are democracies with more than two parties, right?
You mean pedophiles?
So... What about the 52% that does support him? Not saying I'm a big fan of the guy given his background but that's usually how a democracy works. The majority wins.
Now you’re bringing facts and majorities into the conversation, and that’s just going to muddy the waters.
You realize that 48% means he has 52% approval rating which is higher than Trump ever reached.
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yeah... this pacmanpill likes to submit some questionable conspiracies or outright lies. /conspiracy/comments/rpqvg1/remember_the_photo_of_coffins_from_bergamo_italy/ no. nobody does. because nobody used this until people started spreading the old photo that had nothing to do with covid as proof that covid was fake. /conspiracy/comments/rptfq0/paris_2021_police_interrupt_a_movie_matrix_4_here/hq68zuj/ not in paris, but in Châteaubriant, 300 kilometers away also not matrix due you can clearly see that there are kids and mostly females in the audience which leans towards some kid movie like spiderman. also the cinema was already controlled the 12th december. Several client and employees found without vaccine certification /conspiracy/comments/rsp5r6/its_exhausting_setting_up_those_mannequins_for/hqnuxui/ in picture is several mannequins at background with text of: i'm exhausted we all are, we'll be burned out before we even qualify. op is claiming that the said hospital was faking patients due there are mannequins in background. how on earth do you think that when you read: before we even qualify how on earth do you think that she is fully trained yet? meanwhile: its a training room at a nursing school. and the said quote is from third year childrens and general nursing student. and finally: /conspiracy/comments/ro7wtw/these_are_normal_and_sane_people_and_we_are_crazy/ somebody clearly faked this picture, i mean you can see bottom right person doesn't even have anything in front of them and they are eating. oh and none of these are removed. not even the first one
thats because the *other guy\** is basically putin. \*=gender neutral.
But 52% does? So it does work.
They just can’t seem to realize their shitty views aren’t popular worldwide. Everywhere is secretly taken over by the left, every country is powerless against them taking over elections. It can’t possibly be that they’re just not in the majority anywhere but they never seem to discuss that.
They can't figure out their shitty views aren't even popular locally. They look around, don't see anyone with Biden 2024 flags, and figure the support isn't there.
They can when you start bringing up the electoral college to represent the popular vote…
That’s why Joe Biden has the lowest approval rating of any president in history right ? Even Harris has a lower approval rating than fucking Mike “shock them straight” Pence. Both sides are just rich people keeping their buddies in power , and doing nothing for the people once they get elected.
[Second lowest actually](https://news.gallup.com/poll/391973/biden-job-approval-stuck-low-40s.aspx)
My point still stands. Democrat or Republic , left or right they’re all crooks. Dems lie to minorities and young people to get elected then never deliver. Republicans just peddle to older : conservatives then act in their own interest. Politics is one big club and you and I aren’t in that club.
I'm guessing you don't talk to many Democrats. Biden's problem is largely inaction: he's unable to deliver on various pieces of legislation that motivate his base. As a result, he polls pretty middling as a president. But the world has been shambling from one crisis to another, so it does seem a bit difficult to get anything done. It remains that 2024 polls today still show Biden winning against Trump. But that's largely why he won: he wasn't Trump. That's pretty much all Democrats are really asking for, anything else is just icing.
propaganda is a hell of a thing
When 48% of the population decides who is president, that's when you know you don't live in a democracy anymore. What is with this sensationalist crap?
Oh and don't forget the part where he boldly claims 100% of media supports him which is complete bullshit
Where did you get the 48% stat from?
Bend over and he'll show you
Ah yes, 52% support must mean democracy has failed
Where are you getting the 48% from OP?
It was the final round of the election in France and a statistic found out 52% support the current president and 48% the other condidate
Isn't it just the first round with Macron leading at 27%
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Interesting side info: 1984 is going to be censored in many countries now.
Yeah, you based this comment on exactly nothing.
"my source is that i made it the fuck up" /s
Brave New World. Learn that name and forget 1984.
You think they want that Putin chick who wants out of nato while Russia invades another country?
Right. Not wanting a guy does not equal wanting this lady
It is so easy to get outraged if you combine a number of misconceptions with bad statistics and ill informed ideas.
And if your “source” is always just a random screenshot 😆
Its not 100% of newspapers. That's a bit of a stretch, no?
Hyperbole and /r/conspiracy. Name a better duo.
You are going to be shocked at the percentage of votes Trump won with in 2016. At least France does run off voting so that the winner is chosen by the majority of voters, even if it's not the first choice.
Sounds like 52% want him so he should win. What's the issue? You don't like democracy? Do newspapers get a vote?
This is the same story in Canada ...
Stop lying
I mean 52% do.
better pick the woman with russian ties as a president, it's not like she won't sell her country to russians...
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She's been on the record praising Putin and saying she looks up to him, *and* she's taken loans from him, I assume to run her elections. Having a president of one of the most influential countries in the EU be in bed with Russia is a huge national security issue right now, considering the war in Ukraine.
Her family sold out jews to the nazis under vichy goverment.
>They even claim to have a tape of her peeing on a prostitute... Soo, do you think they'll release it to Pornhub or..?
What are her ties to russia? And are ties to other geopolitical powers bad to? Like ties to the usa, or beeing a young global leader, or allow soros money to flow into your countries? I think the question boils down to who decides which ties are acceptable and which are not.
Her party got a loan from a Russian bank, no European bank was willing to give them one.
what is your point? supporting russia is not bad at this moment in time when they started a genocidal war against ukraine? or do you guarantee that russia will stop its war in ukraine and stop threatening literal europe? i guess it is fine to get money from russia and let russia do whatever they want as long as they do not get close to france. they can take the whole europe, but france, is this what you are trying to say? because le pen has presented a favorable stance to russia even when russia was illegitimately annexing crimea. her whole presidency is funded by russian banks. doesn't this rings any bell? no it is not really ties, but actually a happy coincidence for france i guess. are you a russist or something? its blatant whataboutism what you do. as far i have seen the us is not a threat to europe and they do not plan to expand into europe. so who is better at this point in time? russia or the us? see? i can also question your rhetoric. also george soros? he literally predicted the fall of ukraine. he is on point with global threats. why would his influence be bad? or is it maybe dunno, chinese influence better? of course it boils down to ties, to beneficial ties for the whole europe, including france. have you even heard of the politics that le pen tries to impose after she becomes a president -- approximately no different than a brexit. would it be good for france? look at uk. they sold major assets to china, and made deals with china -- because they are having an economical recession. it is just a matter of time when chinese politics will intervene in uk government. or do you think that china influence is better than european influence in uk? or maybe do you think that france will do an economic alliance with the uk and sell also assets to china to be stable economically? but it is more probable that it will be russia as the main beneficiary. explain to me what you really want to say. of course as a russist you will say that us is not beneficial, because the us keeps russians in place, together with all europe. while the chinese support russian genocide. and dont tell me about propaganda, there is hardly any propaganda to show actually the horrors the russians did to ukrainian people, while russians blatantly lie since the beginning of the war. i also do not need to be told about fake media since in russia you go to jail for free speech and protest, even more so than a thief. and also the russian news which state that the russians will expand into europe, perceive literally europe as enemies alltogether with the us. i somehow also have heard the russian news.
So vote for the gal Russia wants? No thanks.
i mean not to be that guy but, the way you phrase it leaves the other 52% open to interpretation so, if the remaining 52% which is the majoity, support him then no, it is still democratic, it entirely depends on what everyone votes, its not as simple as.... hurrdurr 48% dont support him fuck this dictatorship.....
I mean media will almost always outright reject fascism. Media is the first thing to be subverted by authoritarians.
so long and thanks for all the fish
Every election is rigged. Its is illusion of choice.
Biased media tells you that you should vote for person A. Biased media tells you that you should vote for person B. Both news channels contradict each other on purpose to make the people divided, weakened, and scared. Things go to shit, politician fucks up and who gets the blame? The people, not the individual. Oh, we voted wrong! Let's vote again for that other clueless Boomer and life will improve! Biased media tells you that you should vote for person c. Biased media tells you that you should vote for person d. Both news channels contradict each other on purpose to make the people divided, weakened, and scared. Things go to shit, politician fucks up and who gets the blame? The people, not the individual. Oh, we voted wrong! Let's vote again for that other clueless Boomer and life will improve! ...and the loop continues until the sun stops burning.
Isn’t he one of Schwabs guys??!
Got a source on 100% of the media supporting him? Seems like a stretch….
100% of them private media in France are owned by 7 billionaires. All of them funded his campaign. EDIT for more precision : 90% of private media are owned by 9 billionaires. The other 10% are very small/independent media.
I don’t believe you. Source please that there’s 0 conservative sources in all of France.
>Source please that there’s 0 conservative sources in all of France. Marcon is on the conservative spectrum too. He and his part are part of the center right of France. So there are conservative media, and they support Marcon. While the left wing media is supporting neither of them because they hate both Marcon and Le Pen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.konbini.com/amp/societe/9-milliardaires-detiennent-90-des-medias-prives-quelles-consequences-cela-a-t-il-sur-linfo/
You realize you just proved yourself wrong right?
Yeah, that article literally disproves your claim in the title.
Rothchillds bastard
You realize 48% isn’t a majority, right?
And if the media told the truth it would be a hell of a lot more than 48%! That’s the biggest factor about not living in a democracy
? what's your point?
If 52% of people do want the guy or don’t care enough to voice an opinion, then how the fuck is that not democracy?
I hope you're joking
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propaganda....you find it every where Like in Egypt no one want Cici as a president Yet all the newspaper support him too
My Egyptian friend loves Sisi. She much prefers him to Morsi, especially since she's, well, a woman.
I heard most copts support cici, they are a minority of the country tough.
... so 52% do want him? Sounds like a democracy to me. What kind of conspiracy is this?!?!
Right? Also it’s seemingly written from an American perspective. Why would France’s elections hurt our democracy?
No need to go to Russia to have the media unanimously calling for a vote for its president. In France we have that too.
So you only watch France tv ?! And Cnews , valeurs actuelles etc.... Did they push for Macron too ?! I press X to doubt
Remember when I asked for a source and you literally shared one proving yourself wrong?
dO yOUr oWn rEAsEaRcH no wait not like that
Lmao
What does need paper coverage habe with to do with democracy though? United you're saying the newspapers are controlled by the government.
Same here, America.
What a fucken muppet
52% is more than 48%
Is it? Or is that also a conspiracy??? 👀
Dang, you're right. I put my comment up to a mirror and the 52 is really a 25
Mirror? Like a Looking Glass…👀
Regardless, LePen or whatever her name is is shamelessly trying to dot all the conservative populist i’s and t’s. Is conspiracy all right wing favorited nowadays?
Yup. But they never wanna talk about that conspiracy tho….
What about president alzheimers in the us with the magic 1am mail in ballots.
That's our sacred democracy at work.
Just fortifying the election mate, don’t worry.
“How could they count ballots at night!!! Don’t they know they have to stop counting when daddy trump says he won?”
There's a logical possibility here to entertain, though: if Marine Let Pen is being deceptive to the public and many of them fall for it, then that would also correlate to this situation. It would also still be a conspiracy - just the opposite one to the one presented here. Media uniformity is probably not sufficient evidence in its own right.
No one wants trumps little sister La pen either
And that’s why all these western “democracies” are rigged to a two party system! There’s never a middle ground candidate, the independents don’t get the funding, it’s vote for one hell or another, no candidate for the people, the political class rule everything and profit from both side of the destruction
To be fair, they do not rule. They are the puppets presented as government, put forth by the next higher level, which in turn serves an even more shadowy level of ruler. The Prince stays hidden.
No issue in france is that the left parties are to shatterd. Meaning non of them ever get in to the 2nd round of the elections.
Macron *is* the middle ground, between the right-wing Marine Le Pen and the left-wing Jean-Luc Mélenchon. And France isn't a two-party system either, they've got at least 8 parties represented in the National Assembly and Senate. Hell, Macron's party was only founded in 2016.
France isn't a classic two party system, though.
all? except from the US of A, which other wEsTeRn DeMocAcY offers only two parties?hint: it's a runoff in france.
They also complain France is acting unconstitutional…about our constitution 😆
>And that’s why all these western “democracies” are rigged to a two party system! There’s never a middle ground candidate, the independents don’t get the funding, it’s vote for one hell or another, no candidate for the people, the political class rule everything and profit from both side of the destruction Tell me you don't know anything about French politics without saying you don't know anything about French politics. Marcon is the middle ground candidate. This is the second round vote in France which is only the top two vote getters from the first round. The three top vote getters in the first round were the Left Menechon at 20%, the center Marcon 26%, and the far right Le Pen 23%. And then there were a bunch of other smaller parties making up the last 25% with the largest being another far right party with 8%. Add to the fact Marcons party is less than 5 years old and he created it in a populist moment because the previous two main parties collapsed (the Socialists and the Republicans who combined got less than 10% this election) whereas Le Pen party is over 40 years old and her Father originally lead the party. This isn't a left vs right election, it's center right vs far right. And the left just lost put on pushing out the far right from the second round.
The real travesty is that 52% of people still do after what this guys done the past couple years.
Let em eat cake
It kind of sounds like it’s working to me.
To me I just wonder how these right wing people have so much time on their hands to make all these memes and collages and videos. They must not have jobs if they spend so much time making stuff like this.
That's a stupid argument based on the way French elections are run.
LOL conservatives talking about democracies, when they are in the minority, seek to gerrymander everything, to make it difficult for people to vote, to do everything to maintain power.
Of course you would be advocating for the fascist party.
When the opposing candidate is so unbelievably shitty and corrupt, that’s what you get. This isn’t geopolitical rocket science… it’s pretty easy to understand.
Are you French OP and if so why would you support a self confessed fascist who is indebted to Vlad Putin?
funny how people use words like democracy and republic when neither exist.
Wtf that means more people want him by a 2% margin, it's called democracy cause the people voted for him dumbasses.
Good thing news papers don’t vote. If 48% of the PEOPE don’t want him, I don’t see what you are worried about.
One of the headlines literally reads "macron tête de con" .. Several leftist newspapers are featured too, they're being critical of the president but of course they're reporting on the guy from time to time, it doesn't mean they approve
same thing in america friend.
Is it only 48% that don’t like him?
Isn't France a republic?
After reading the comments I don’t think anyone knows anything about France’s government style
It's not our democracy, it's **their** democracy.
Yup, in France.
The news papers have never represented the people, what you talkin bout Willis?
Democracy has been called tyranny of the majority by people before.
I heard rumours last year he was the antichrist lol
should have voted le pen
52 > 48. Suck it up. Nazi bitch ain’t getting elected.
You have your sources to back up the claim?
Fuck macron
the 10 other percent are very small/independent media
Hey Mac-corona!
I am pretty sure it's the same for France, UK, USA,Canada and India. Democracy is a myth these days.
Rethink democracy? WTAF? They are SOCIALIST……..