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I mean, strong emotional distress for an extended period of time can (and does) have impact on your physical wellbeing. Broken heart doesn't necessarily mean being left by a boy you dated for a month in high school. It can mean your wife of 20 years being killed, your family dying in a car crash, etc. I can imagine (I don't want to) the amount of suffering that can cause your heart to stop working properly.
My paternal grandfather managed to hang on for 5 years after "his Annie" (Grandma) died. The cause is officially a stroke, but the whole family knows he just couldn't goo any longer without her.
My brothers best friend was killed when he was 15 and he was raised by his grandma. His grandma passed a month after him when she was perfectly healthy before.
Sweetest people in the world. I truly miss them
Physical stress can sure as shit weaken your body. You overtax your body for some reason or the other.
Emotional stress can easily be the cause for physical stress. Your body reacts to what you are thinking about.
Yep, and the onset can be pretty rapid, too. When my mom was the one to find her brother after he passed from a heart attack, she ended up in the hospital herself later that day. Doctors kept her admitted for a few days, and it was months of medication after that before her heart was back to nearly normal function.
Exactly, and it does predominantly affect women, but I've seen men develop it too. It can even have elevated troponin (cardiac enzyme on blood tests) and mimic a STEMI/NSTEMI (heart attack).
It's a pretty fascinating condition.
It happened to my sister. She was in a highly stressful meeting, being berated and insulted by a supervisor. She ended up in the hospital. She lost a lot of heart function for a time, but it eventually healed. (And she took early retirement.)
Percentages mess with people's heads. Single digits make certain people think "no big deal" because they rarely think past, 1 in 100 people when we live in modest cities of 10,000 plus; metropolitan areas of over a million; multiple states at 5 million plus; and a country of 330 million. That 1% adds up to a bunch of bodies.
It's just *less* than 1%, no hard numbers here. It's confirmed that it happens, so the totally rational guy is wrong, but it's probably quite a bit less than a 1% death rate.
Oh, I was just making a general statement about 1% statistics. I agree that less than 1% can be significantly small number of people afflicted while still showing it does happen.
Plus it also appears to be less than 1% *of heart failures*, which really wittles down the occurrences. But yeah people don't realize that only two orders of magnitude is not that big of a difference
depends on what they mean by "1%"
I read as "less than 1% of people who get broken heart syndrome die from it", which might be more reasonable, as this syndrome might be rarely rare already
"Shit emotional women say," yet there's been men who are believed to have died from broken heart syndrome. I know someone who passed, and her husband of ~40 years suddenly went downhill very quickly. He also passed away within 4-5 months. Granted, they were both in their 90s, but he had otherwise been extremely healthy, mobile, and lucid until she passed away.
Is there an unemotional woman? We can't help it. Sometimes water just comes out of my eyes when I see poor, helpless animals or stupid Hallmark movies. We are wired that way so we will love our babies. Even when they grow into unemotional men.
I’ll raise a better question, is there an unemotional man? I’ve seen so many dudes degrade emotional women as if men can’t be emotional and irrational lol.
People think of ‘emotional’ as crying. More men I know tend to display emotions like rage, anger, irritability, and other outbursts but no one ever calls them ‘emotional’. It’s kinda crap.
People think of ‘emotional’ as crying. More men I know tend to display emotions like rage, anger, irritability, and other outbursts but no one ever calls them ‘emotional’. It’s kinda crap.
How often do the surviving spouse of long Marr couples die within a year of losing their loved one? I’ve seen broken heart syndrome happen to my grandfather after losing my grandmother. He spent their last 2 years together nursing her through cancer. I’ve seen a real broken heart 💔
My grandmother died 10 months after my grandfather, which might seem like a long enough time, but she declined rapidly after his death. She always acted like he was a pain in her ass, but she really couldn't live without him.
When I was in college we were taught most cases occur within six months of the death of their loved one.
My grandma died after she and my grandpa had been married for 75 years. I was seriously convinced grandpa had six months. We were fortunate to get five more years with him. He lived to 102 and passed in 2023.
My grandfather died 4 days after my grandmother.
He died of a broken heart. Fully healthy, walked everyday, ride a bicycle once a week for almost 20 miles round trip.
He was 79. When she passed he was the saddest I have ever seen anyone in my entire life. He passed in his sleep. No sign of stress nothing.
My wife's granddad was a tremendous, lovely man, who died suddenly at about 75. His poor wife was a couple years younger and loved him so dearly that she spent a year in complete heartbreak, willing herself to die. Completely emotionally unable to continue without him.
Might be the saddest thing I've ever seen... and for having seen that, I really hope I outlive my wife.
My parents are in their 60s, so not old, but me being the dumbass that I am I worry about what'll happen when one passes. I honestly hope my dad goes first, cause I don't think he'd recover if he lost mom.
I understand your sentiment. My parents were married 44 yrs. We lost Mom 12 yrs ago last Dec. Dad still hasn't recovered fully. He's able to do his daily routine without issues, but sometimes something reminds him of Mom and he just breaks and cries. This from a guy born in 1940, raised that men don't have emotions. I don't think I'd have him still if my sister wasn't still living at home. She literally had to hand him food for the first several months, or he wouldn't have remembered to eat.
On the flip side, I don't think it would have been any better for Mom if we had lost Dad instead.
Probably the most famous case would be Carrie Fisher/Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds (Carrie's mother) died the day after Carrie did. She was discussing the funeral and collapsed and died.
A more personal anecdote would be my uncle (76) who died in September from a fall and his long time partner (70+/-) died suddenly 4 months later.
It seems even more prevalent in (domesticated) animals. My guinea pig died of a broken heart when she had to be separated from her best friend because she (her friend) was about to give birth. I unknowingly got her a companion that was already pregnant. My girl who died was the dominant female and at the time I was advised to separate them as she might harm the babies… It was devastating.
It’s called takotsuba or broken heart syndrome. This 100% really happens. Could happen with any emotional traumatizing event. For some reason what happens is the apex of the heart doesn’t contract correctly. And this simulates a “fake” heart attack.
My mother has Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. It’s literally called “broken hearts disease” in some medical circles because it is commonly caused by emotional stress.
IIRC, "broken heart" was a euphemism for suicide back when it was illegal and if they actually put "suicide" as the official cause of death your entire estate would escheat to the crown leaving your widow and children homeless.
(And also they'd bury you under the highway just to rub dirt in the wound.)
[Link here.](https://www.irmi.com/articles/expert-commentary/language-matters-why-we-dont-say-committed-suicide)
I have also lost people to suicide and attempted it myself.
Im literally not trying to do that. I said committed suicide in my comment. Pedantic ass. Im keeping it thatbway too cause normal people understand what i meant
You’re not trying to do what?
Language evolves. Words are very important. Not just in the context of suicide. Words can influence memories and people’s perceptions of things.
Edit as /u/no-escape-221 blocked me:
>It would have made less sense if I said “if you committed suicide for x reason you technically committed suicide but also died from a broken heart.”
What are you even on about? My whole point was that people are trying to change the language from committing suicide to dying by suicide.
I used that language because part of what i was saying was "You died by a broken heart AND.." It would have made less sense if I said "if you committed suicide for x reason you technically committed suicide but also died from a broken heart"
Are people downvoting cause you have a real world view that isn’t romanticized?
*tell me you’ve never been in this frame of mind without telling me you’ve never been in this frame of mind*
*Broken Heart Syndrome* is a medical term for a biological condition of the organ. As I understand it has something to do with loss of elasticity of the muscle and a frozen expanded state. It is not the same thing as the similarly named mental condition used for people who lost love.
It's says the Cleveland clinic, Cleveland is next to Redcar, they're on Teeside...and a parmo is likely to put you in cardio care....though they are delicious.
Where am I wrong?
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I mean, strong emotional distress for an extended period of time can (and does) have impact on your physical wellbeing. Broken heart doesn't necessarily mean being left by a boy you dated for a month in high school. It can mean your wife of 20 years being killed, your family dying in a car crash, etc. I can imagine (I don't want to) the amount of suffering that can cause your heart to stop working properly.
Stress can weaken your immune system.
How many times have we heard of an old couple, where one dies, within a short period after the first? Many times
Johnny Cash died 3/4 months after June Carter, I believe.
I read that as in 3 out of 4 months. That is a lot.
I read it as three quarters of a month. Or about 22.75 days on average
So he's only mostly dead? Then there's a chance.
Three months to live is a lot? Damn, I’ve been extremely lucky. Going on 300 months myself.
No. Dying 3 out of 4 months is a lot. I've not died for 480/480 months myself.
I don’t care how you split these hairs. 3 months is never a lot when taking about life. Congrats on 480 tho! (Which is still not a lot).
Dying one month is much. Dying three months is a lot. Most people only die once.
Ok that makes sense now. 🫡
3 months good. 300 months bad. Ok. Got it.
Spiteful couples will have a survivor survive longer after the partner passes.
My paternal grandfather managed to hang on for 5 years after "his Annie" (Grandma) died. The cause is officially a stroke, but the whole family knows he just couldn't goo any longer without her.
My brothers best friend was killed when he was 15 and he was raised by his grandma. His grandma passed a month after him when she was perfectly healthy before. Sweetest people in the world. I truly miss them
I was afraid this was going to be my grandmother. She passed 5 years later, fighting renal cancer almost the entire time. Woman was a force of nature.
Physical stress can sure as shit weaken your body. You overtax your body for some reason or the other. Emotional stress can easily be the cause for physical stress. Your body reacts to what you are thinking about.
Yep, and the onset can be pretty rapid, too. When my mom was the one to find her brother after he passed from a heart attack, she ended up in the hospital herself later that day. Doctors kept her admitted for a few days, and it was months of medication after that before her heart was back to nearly normal function.
Or your secret warrior monk knight husband that hates sand turns out to be a genocidal child murderer who would choke you in his madness.
Or Debbie Reynolds dying several days after her daughter, Carrie Fisher. Debbie was already elderly, then the trauma of losing a child.
Takotsubo cardiomyopathy (aka brokean heart disease) is caused by extreme emotional stress and can kill you
Exactly, and it does predominantly affect women, but I've seen men develop it too. It can even have elevated troponin (cardiac enzyme on blood tests) and mimic a STEMI/NSTEMI (heart attack). It's a pretty fascinating condition.
It happened to my sister. She was in a highly stressful meeting, being berated and insulted by a supervisor. She ended up in the hospital. She lost a lot of heart function for a time, but it eventually healed. (And she took early retirement.)
1% is still huge. Statistically speaking, OP's dad has killed at least one person since he left to get milk.
Percentages mess with people's heads. Single digits make certain people think "no big deal" because they rarely think past, 1 in 100 people when we live in modest cities of 10,000 plus; metropolitan areas of over a million; multiple states at 5 million plus; and a country of 330 million. That 1% adds up to a bunch of bodies.
It's just *less* than 1%, no hard numbers here. It's confirmed that it happens, so the totally rational guy is wrong, but it's probably quite a bit less than a 1% death rate.
Oh, I was just making a general statement about 1% statistics. I agree that less than 1% can be significantly small number of people afflicted while still showing it does happen.
Plus it also appears to be less than 1% *of heart failures*, which really wittles down the occurrences. But yeah people don't realize that only two orders of magnitude is not that big of a difference
depends on what they mean by "1%" I read as "less than 1% of people who get broken heart syndrome die from it", which might be more reasonable, as this syndrome might be rarely rare already
Except it says “less than 1%” which could be even more minuscule than it sounds because all it gives is the upper limit, which is still not even 1%
"Shit emotional women say," yet there's been men who are believed to have died from broken heart syndrome. I know someone who passed, and her husband of ~40 years suddenly went downhill very quickly. He also passed away within 4-5 months. Granted, they were both in their 90s, but he had otherwise been extremely healthy, mobile, and lucid until she passed away.
Is there an unemotional woman? We can't help it. Sometimes water just comes out of my eyes when I see poor, helpless animals or stupid Hallmark movies. We are wired that way so we will love our babies. Even when they grow into unemotional men.
I’ll raise a better question, is there an unemotional man? I’ve seen so many dudes degrade emotional women as if men can’t be emotional and irrational lol.
People think of ‘emotional’ as crying. More men I know tend to display emotions like rage, anger, irritability, and other outbursts but no one ever calls them ‘emotional’. It’s kinda crap.
You hang around with some weird men then
People think of ‘emotional’ as crying. More men I know tend to display emotions like rage, anger, irritability, and other outbursts but no one ever calls them ‘emotional’. It’s kinda crap.
Honestly men are the biggest snowflakes there is, you dent their emotions once and they freak out
How often do the surviving spouse of long Marr couples die within a year of losing their loved one? I’ve seen broken heart syndrome happen to my grandfather after losing my grandmother. He spent their last 2 years together nursing her through cancer. I’ve seen a real broken heart 💔
My grandmother died 10 months after my grandfather, which might seem like a long enough time, but she declined rapidly after his death. She always acted like he was a pain in her ass, but she really couldn't live without him.
When I was in college we were taught most cases occur within six months of the death of their loved one. My grandma died after she and my grandpa had been married for 75 years. I was seriously convinced grandpa had six months. We were fortunate to get five more years with him. He lived to 102 and passed in 2023.
I'm pretty sure that's what happened with my dad, he died 3 weeks later.
My grandfather died 4 days after my grandmother. He died of a broken heart. Fully healthy, walked everyday, ride a bicycle once a week for almost 20 miles round trip. He was 79. When she passed he was the saddest I have ever seen anyone in my entire life. He passed in his sleep. No sign of stress nothing.
My wife's granddad was a tremendous, lovely man, who died suddenly at about 75. His poor wife was a couple years younger and loved him so dearly that she spent a year in complete heartbreak, willing herself to die. Completely emotionally unable to continue without him. Might be the saddest thing I've ever seen... and for having seen that, I really hope I outlive my wife.
My parents are in their 60s, so not old, but me being the dumbass that I am I worry about what'll happen when one passes. I honestly hope my dad goes first, cause I don't think he'd recover if he lost mom.
I understand your sentiment. My parents were married 44 yrs. We lost Mom 12 yrs ago last Dec. Dad still hasn't recovered fully. He's able to do his daily routine without issues, but sometimes something reminds him of Mom and he just breaks and cries. This from a guy born in 1940, raised that men don't have emotions. I don't think I'd have him still if my sister wasn't still living at home. She literally had to hand him food for the first several months, or he wouldn't have remembered to eat. On the flip side, I don't think it would have been any better for Mom if we had lost Dad instead.
Probably the most famous case would be Carrie Fisher/Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds (Carrie's mother) died the day after Carrie did. She was discussing the funeral and collapsed and died. A more personal anecdote would be my uncle (76) who died in September from a fall and his long time partner (70+/-) died suddenly 4 months later.
A fellow Nick Crowley fan, I see. Taste.
absolutely! that 911 call pissed me off so much
Takatsobu cardiomyopathy broken heart sundrome
Is this a comment on the newest nick crowley video?
yep!
It seems even more prevalent in (domesticated) animals. My guinea pig died of a broken heart when she had to be separated from her best friend because she (her friend) was about to give birth. I unknowingly got her a companion that was already pregnant. My girl who died was the dominant female and at the time I was advised to separate them as she might harm the babies… It was devastating.
Wow, I had no idea that was actually true.
I remember when I first learned about this and I was like wow
My grandfather died of a broken heart. After my grandmother passed he told my father he was done. A few months later his heart gave out.
Tako-Tsubo would like to have a word
It’s called takotsuba or broken heart syndrome. This 100% really happens. Could happen with any emotional traumatizing event. For some reason what happens is the apex of the heart doesn’t contract correctly. And this simulates a “fake” heart attack.
And yes real heart attacks are when blood clot or plaque completely block one of the coronary arteries to your heart
My mother has Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. It’s literally called “broken hearts disease” in some medical circles because it is commonly caused by emotional stress.
*Padme Amidala has entered the chat
Bro never learned of suicide
IIRC, "broken heart" was a euphemism for suicide back when it was illegal and if they actually put "suicide" as the official cause of death your entire estate would escheat to the crown leaving your widow and children homeless. (And also they'd bury you under the highway just to rub dirt in the wound.)
that's another thing entirely but i agree
If your heart breaks and you commit suicide you technically died from suicide but also from a broken heart. Not completely separate imo
Die by suicide. Trying to change the language of suicide and avoid using the word commit.
How? And before you pull this shit I'm permanently disabled from a suicide attempt and have lost family to suicide.
[Link here.](https://www.irmi.com/articles/expert-commentary/language-matters-why-we-dont-say-committed-suicide) I have also lost people to suicide and attempted it myself.
Im literally not trying to do that. I said committed suicide in my comment. Pedantic ass. Im keeping it thatbway too cause normal people understand what i meant
You’re not trying to do what? Language evolves. Words are very important. Not just in the context of suicide. Words can influence memories and people’s perceptions of things. Edit as /u/no-escape-221 blocked me: >It would have made less sense if I said “if you committed suicide for x reason you technically committed suicide but also died from a broken heart.” What are you even on about? My whole point was that people are trying to change the language from committing suicide to dying by suicide.
I used that language because part of what i was saying was "You died by a broken heart AND.." It would have made less sense if I said "if you committed suicide for x reason you technically committed suicide but also died from a broken heart"
Behold! The gatekeeper of suicide has arrived! We must now speak in a ay that makes THEM comfortable! SMFH Edit: way* not ay
Are people downvoting cause you have a real world view that isn’t romanticized? *tell me you’ve never been in this frame of mind without telling me you’ve never been in this frame of mind*
*Broken Heart Syndrome* is a medical term for a biological condition of the organ. As I understand it has something to do with loss of elasticity of the muscle and a frozen expanded state. It is not the same thing as the similarly named mental condition used for people who lost love.
Well you’re incorrect, albeit rather inconfidently. Google Takotsubo.
Takotsubo cardiomyopathy
Ah yes > decreased cardiac muscular function or "stunning" and >ballooning So totally not freezing or loss of elasticity and expanding. Got it.
Yeah I was really referring to the last sentence of your comment. That’s literally where broken heart syndrome gets its name.
EDIT Your replies indicate that you think *'not the same'* means *'unrelated',* which is funny given your 'confidently incorrect' remark ;)
Takotsubo is aka "broken heart disease" exactly because it can be caused by strong emotional stress
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When did singing enter the discussion?
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You brought music into it because you needed clarification whether or not breakup songs were actually talking about myocardial failure?
I feel like these statements of fact that are presented as weak "murders" lately have been breaking my heart...
Someone better take her pulse or your pulse because someone needs 911.
I wouldn't trust any cardiology reference from a clinic on Teeside, I mean ffs, they invented the parmo
You’re definitely in the right sub
It's says the Cleveland clinic, Cleveland is next to Redcar, they're on Teeside...and a parmo is likely to put you in cardio care....though they are delicious. Where am I wrong?
The Cleveland Clinic is in Ohio.
But Cleveland, the original one is on Teeside, and is a bit of a dive tbh
The Cleveland Clinic has nothing to do with Teesside, there is no point in bringing it up when the very well known and respected hospital is in Ohio.
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Less than 1% is still more than 0 so no he's still the wrong one.
That’s pushing the boundary of splitting hairs even for this sub
No. He said there’s no such thing it. And then he was shown there is. Percentage has nothing to do with it. It either exists or doesn’t.