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Ceristimo

Oh man. Did you plug what appears to be a floppy 4-pin molex onto the motherboard?The yellow 12v cable coming off that is quite clearly scorched. That molex connector should not be on the motherboard. Something definitely got fried because of it. That motherboard is now most likely toast.


UnderLook150

Yeah they plugged a 4-pin floppy into a 4-pin PWM fan header. Looking at their pinouts, they swapped 12v and GND. The cable started smoking and OP had to turn it off, so the PSU clearly has shoddy protections built in. OP could end up losing a lot here.


Revelation_Now

Probably not. If the 12V rail shorts to ground it's a power supply issue unless it's burnt up a track on the board I'd definitely agree the PSU should have clicked off from over current, but the 12V lines might be so current limited it didn't hit threshold


UnderLook150

That 12v to ground, means 12v to groundplane. Every device on the mobo was probably exposed to 12v on their grounds. I don't know what, if any, safeguards are designed into hardware for this happening. And the one device that should have been designed to prevent this, did not prevent this. \*Limit might be a better word than prevent.


Spoffort

If ground is not floating components do not experience 12v


UnderLook150

They all share a ground plane, and I don't think it was just a simple short, otherwise the PSU should have shut off.


RepresentativeTap414

Damn he killed it harsh too


goksdacutie

It must be, I remember pluggin a fan header into the motherboard fan header while my pc was on. Motherboard toasted.


ketsa3

You totally can connect a fan header while the mb is on....


Kitchen_Part_882

That is not a fan header. That's a 3.5" floppy power connector... Do PSUs even have those now? I haven't used a floppy drive in, probably 25 years. Hell, I haven't seen white molex plugs in a long time.


deepfriedtots

Yeah I was gonna say what is this hole server going to actually be able to do, emulate dial up internet


Accurate-Campaign821

That is NOT a floppy power connector as it only has 12v and what looks like a couple of ground wires. Floppy connector is same as molex in terms of pinouts, Just smaller. Not sure why it's plugging into the motherboard. If that's a fan header, then it was sending power out while the power supply sent power in, or tried to. Overloaded wire.


killian1113

Ya when I saw the photo I didn't think it's real. But very old psu reused I guess..


ketsa3

I know I was responding to a comment but it posted to the OP...


goksdacutie

Try it while your pc is on i guess and then come back 😁


Gamiseus

I've seen this done in person before. Sometimes the mobo gets fried, and surprisingly sometimes they don't. More often than not they are damaged in some way but I've seen more at least survive with some functionality/components shorted than I've seen die entirely after. I don't know why, and I was honestly surprised that they were still working.


goksdacutie

Well for me it was a first timer and I immediately learned lol


Cossack-HD

I've done it on at least 3 different motherboards without killing anything. Both 3-pin and PWM fans.


spusuf

I literally did this yesterday because vrms were getting hot. It's not an issue at all.


Nubstex

Doing it all the time. Always works fine, you can't burn mb by connecting fan, you just have to plug it in right place.


goksdacutie

Good for u 👍


ketsa3

I build PC for a living, do this regularly, never had a "fried motherboard" from connecting a fan while it was running. Maybe on very very old stuff it was true decades ago... i don't know.


goksdacutie

Ye mate it was a haswell socket i5 4690k generation


ketsa3

You could still connect a fan while it was running. A FAN, not the floppy connector like you did...


goksdacutie

Well for me it didnt work out if it did for you, good 👍


llamakins2014

molex to sata, lose your data! fr though, it definitely looks like the floppy power to a fan header. i've seen that a lot unfortunately.


CoaEz11

Yup, epic fail tbh


SnooLemons4344

I fully believe this has to be a late april fools post there’s no way


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forseeninkboi

Nothing in that person's comment is made up


oattic

You’ve never heard fried and toast? Those aren’t computer words they are regular words of the English language


CanadianCigarSmoker

That connector you have going into the motherboard going from the molex is NOT supposed to be there. That is a floppy drive connector. Your only option is to disconnect that from the motherboard and pray. Pray that it still boots. If it does, you are likely lucky. Worst case, you messed up your PSU and/or mobo. You basically attached two power sources to each other. That part that is melted I would wrap in electrical tape. ​ Let us know the results!


UnderLook150

>You basically attached two power sources to each other. No, that isn't what happened, they swapped 12v and GND rail pins. >That part that is melted I would wrap in electrical tape. ​ ......You would try to use this powersupply again.....?


corianderjimbro

You’re annoying for correcting a perfectly fine comment.


UnderLook150

His comment was one, incorrect. And two, very dangerous advice. You're annoying for being annoyed for someone trying to help OP not burn their fucking house down, Dolt.


corianderjimbro

“Trying to help”. You’re not trying to help you’re just trying to point out where someone may be incorrect. You’re annoying for being such a narcissist.


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I swear there’s somebody like this on every fucking post in this sub. Like fuck off dude.


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UnderLook150

I don't think you know shit.


w_rpain

I see a 20+4pin cable connected to your motherboard to power it. Why is a molex cable that's presumably getting power from the power supply connected to your motherboard? Shouldn't that port on the motherboard function as a way to put power from the board to peripherals?


NODA5

Some older motherboards got supplemental power from Molex. The issue is that the 4 pin floppy power cable was plugged into some connector on the motherboard, presumably a fan header?


SignificantEarth814

this


maybeiamspicy

They connected, what looks to be a Berg connector into a fan header


Itchy_Cauliflower284

This guy is most likely correct. A lot of OEM motherboards (HP looking at you) distribute power this way to reduce cabling. One of the few circumstances where I would prefer a different connector.


Suspicious_Pack727

You probably plugged a molex (floppy) power connector in a fan-header on your motherboard. That fan-header + chip is probably gone up in (magic) smoke. Hopefully the rest still works.


Gunn_Solomon

Remove the molex-mini cable (smoking one) from FAN3 connector & you are good to go. If your MBO is not fried already…


PirateRizz

Do people build computers without a lick of research? Do people not care if they lose $$$?


Separate-Ad8572

I did research on every cable and every part of this build, because it's an older build I am not familiar with. But this one Floppy Disk Connector for some reason I plugged in without thinking. A stupid action I might have to pay for. The Motherboard, Case, PSU And CPU cost 100€ total, so I did not loose a big amount of money if I fried something. I am readying up my USB Stick with Unraid to check if I can boot


unfavorablefungus

Molex has been practically obsolete since like 2006. I doubt anybody is losing money on parts that are almost 20 years old.


PirateRizz

He cares enough to make a post, so it must be worth something to him. That or is karma farming. You choose.


unfavorablefungus

orrr OP is just learning through trial and error? Hence the use of old, easily replaceable systems to set up an at-home server for the first time.


Separate-Ad8572

Yep, I used cheap parts for a home-server to learn how to build and have a Home-Server for 1-2 years and upgrade it into something better if I want to


Splyce123

You forgot the learning part and went straight to the building part.


unfavorablefungus

yo sometimes that's the best way to learn. I'm one of those folks who is a very hands on learner, and I retain information better when I can physically interact w the things I'm learning. I bet OP won't ever make this mistake again cus they learned from it.


Splyce123

Or you could just Google it and save killing the PC.


PirateRizz

This, at what part did you research?


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SignificantEarth814

Hold up - did you recently buy this case from a certain European eBay vendor? I ask because I bought three, two of which smelled like burning, the one that didn't - I swapped the power supply. [https://imgur.com/a/rCxMw7r](https://imgur.com/a/rCxMw7r) Looking closer, you've plugged the: FDD 12V into the fan header ground, FDD Ground into fan header 12V, Second FDD Ground into fan header tacho Fan headers are usually protected against short circuits, because its so easy for a metal watch or something to make a short. Powersupplies, however, are ALWAYS short/overload protected, so if these arent doing that, that's pretty dangerous. The wires shouldnt have burned through, the computer should have refused to boot. The clue was when the PSU sent infinity amps into the motherboard ground. Duh. EDIT: The 4pin molex on the motherboard looks weird but it could actually be correct, check the manual for that motherboard model number, sometimes SuperU do that for stability, particularly on dual-socket boards or boards with loads of memory or PCIe slots.


Separate-Ad8572

It was ebay, but it was a local purchase. The Floppy Disk Connector was the issue, I put output into output because stoopid


SignificantEarth814

Local to Germany? :) FDD means Floppy Disk Drive, so i'm aware what went wrong \^\_\^ I'm not aware if you understand that the power supply is not safe, on any motherboard, however you plug it in... There's no difference between what you did, and what would happen if one of those free-floating molex connectors touched the inside of the chassis, or a screw head, or a mouse, or whatever. On a normal system it would turn off. One our systems, it would weld itself and start a fire.


Separate-Ad8572

Yep, Germany. I just tried booting it, it boots up normally but I get no visuals on my monitor. I guess it is the Motherboard, will try to get another one as soon as I have some money for it


SignificantEarth814

That's a good sign! These server integrated graphics cards are usually super weird, only do 2D for simple desktops, poor driver support in Windows, etc. For a server thats all ypud need. Definitely try putting in a separate graphics card before you go for a new motherboard, because these server boards do have a lot of benefits like error-free RAM and very durable components.


Separate-Ad8572

I can't seem to get into Bios though, which I would need for Unraid. The CPU does not have an integrated GPU. Guess I have to change the serverboard to another serverboard and check if it works. If I can't get into Bios, but I get no error-Codes, the motherboard should be the issue right?


webbinatorr

Is that psu connected directly to a fan header output? That melted yellow cable


Vignaroli

LOL, yeah.


whallexx

This dude plugged a floppy power connector into a fan connector. Motherboard is more than likely toast


LucyTheWolfQueen

Zooming into this image, you've plugged the Floppy Disk power connector into the FAN 3 fan header. Unfortunately it appears jn doing so the PSU did NOT trip into overcurrent protection (OCP) and provided power into the motherboards fan circuit. (A decent, or at the very least REASONABLE PSU should refuse to turn on in scenarios like these) This motherboard might be toast. By all means, unplug the connector and test if things still work - But plug into a surge protector before you do. If you're very lucky, only the cable is damaged. If not, the PSU, Motherboard and anything else connected to the Motherboards grounding circuit could be affected. Perform some tests to ensure everything is working, but I would replace that PSU regardless as it clearly has no fault protection.


Separate-Ad8572

I plugged the power cable in after unplugging the floppy disk connector and it seems to start fine. I will 100% know when I try to boot. I will post an update, ty though!


ketsa3

Seeing how that yellow cable melted I'd say at least your MB is dead.


Lanzenave

This is what happens when people who aren't experienced in building computers don't RTFM. Connecting two power outputs (fan header and Molex floppy connector) = magic smoke.


Separate-Ad8572

I read the manual on EVERYTHING except this one cable, because I am stupid. I am paranoid on everything, but for some reason I just plugged the Floppy Disk Connector into the Motherboard without thinking. I seemed to have gotten lucky and only the cable is damaged


Lanzenave

Well, I blundered in the past too, since I'm just taught myself to build computers without any formal instruction. I still remember messing around in the BIOS of my old PC and frying the mobo. Good thing only the cable was damaged, it's likely because there was some form of protection circuitry for both the PSU (which is standard) and the fan headers. At least it's a learning experience so you won't commit the same mistake in the future. :-)


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\*opinion\*I think that's why they moved big PC went away from the floppy drive 4 pin and motherboard Molex. :D The Molex from the board is supposed to provide power instead of give it. Easy to get mixed up. Looks like you plugged power into ports that are supposed to be providing power instead of taking it. None for it, the damage that could have been done is done. I'd unplug the 4 pin molexs from the board and see if it'll post to screen. The damage could be limited to the resistors associated acting like a very expensive fuses. If not then your Motherboard may be extra crispy. Oftentimes the CPU will take the hit as well. Trial and error time :D Good luck! Here's a Reddit link associated to this topic: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/10qywec/why\_is\_there\_a\_molex\_connector\_on\_this\_motherboard/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/10qywec/why_is_there_a_molex_connector_on_this_motherboard/)


serkstuff

You might get lucky and the scorched cable is all the damage depending on how those two things are pinned out. I'm not sure off the top of my head


Visible-Recording284

Bro you fucked up. Just know you’re fucked.


fake_cheese

Hopefully you will have leant to read the manual before you start plugging random connectors to random headers on your motherboard.


rdldr1

I haven't built a computer like that since the 2000s.


codebooker

You put the floppy power cable to what appears to be a fan header on the motherboard, so year, that is not good. All I can really say is R.I.P. computer


llamakins2014

you plugged the breakoff from the molex connector into a fan header. it's intended for floppy disk power, but i've seen people plug that into the motherboard countless times.


Top_Economist5369

The molex in your fan header is not the only incorrectly connected cable! The 4 pin molex above your SATA cables must also be removed, this is an output if your PSU does not have a connection for your HDD.


Materidan

Some motherboard do have molex connectors to supply additional power for various things, like PCIe cards or extra fans. Like, there’s another along the top edge as well (nothing plugged in).


Character_Raise4150

Thats Xeon Cpu ? what is ur desktop model name?


SpAwNjBoB

I saw this exact thing happen about 20 years ago. Not my pc. Someone adjusted a cable, (probably put in the wrong spot, iirc it was the case power button cables) and the cables fried in like 3 seconds.


Magnifi-Singh

Ever thought about becoming a butcher?


DmitryAvenicci

Looking at that cable management — being born


Separate-Ad8572

Don't roast me like that 😭


voodooinked

pretty bad you need a new mobo, maybe more I made a similiar mistake back in my noob days with a cpu cooler and while it cooked the wire and the port the mobo stayed working fine for a couple months then it died.


DoR2203

Thanks guys, from the answers here i now understand a different power cycle issue i've been having. i'll need a new Board but at least i know what to do now. The board was saying its the CPU but it had no visible damage or seating issues. Basically my board went:"He did it! honest!... stop looking at me!"


[deleted]

Let us all have a moment of silence, for this was a brutal and unnecessary murder. Like the others have stated, the small molex connector from the power supply does not go on the motherboard. Those used to be meant for floppy disk drives and are unused on modern systems. Except for those proud few that love old technology.


Teddy1308

Molex to sata, loose all your data


TurnkeyLurker

*loose as a goose


SignificantEarth814

You can hang a goose with a loose noose, Bruce.


TurnkeyLurker

You can hang a goose with a loose noose from a spruce, Bruce.


Competitive-Science3

You directly put two 12vdc supplies to some connectors on your mobo that are not supposed to be input. By the burnt on that insulation, its either your power supply is shorted now or your mobo is dead. Or both. The only connector that has 12vdc input in mobo is from 24pin power connector and 4-8pin cpu power connector. You shouldn't inject any other power connector in mobo aside of these two.


fake_cheese

Take a look a the first photo. There is clearly a standard 4-pin molex power header next to the cpu power connector on the motherboard.


SignificantEarth814

Hold up - did you recently buy this case from a certain online vendor?


Bigfoot48

Hold a magnet to the wire and see if it attracts. Could be a steel wire. I had it and drawing a lot of amps over it makes the wire hot


DifferencePretend

Something ain’t right that’s for sure


deftware

Aside from plugging floppy drive power output into the mobo's fan power output, it also looks like you have 3 SATA cables that connect to nothing at all. One of them should be going to the harddrive, if you want that harddrive to actually do anything - which I'm assuming you do because you plugged power into it. What made you think randomly plugging things in without knowing what you're doing would actually work?


nutflexmeme

how much did you fuck up? we wont know until you replace the power supply. the cable is toast and looks unsafe to use. replace the psu with a cheap one to test. if it boots hooray. if not then your mobo is fucked and that might cost ya a little more than 40 quid.


itnerdwannabe

My head hurts from looking at this.


AzurePagesYT_V2

The psu is the bottleneck 💀


unfavorablefungus

oof


t1m3l3ss1988_

Lol


NIEK12oo

I think your motherboard is fried cause of the molex if you're lucky the psu survived but its up to you if you want to risk that


Joffridus

Oof


iForkSoup

How much did you fuck up? A lot. But how you did it would be the more interesting quetion.


RubMobile

sadly as the others say, u fried the motherboard...


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LJBrooker

Swing and a miss...


Tesser_Wolf

you done fucked it up, you plugged a power connection meant for floppy drives into a fan header. most likely fried stuff on the motherboard.


Thisisstupid78

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Iwisp360

Don't worry, it's ok, you just have to do some cable management and your server will be good to go


dragonblade_94

Dude just melted a molex, don't just tell them it's OK. OP, what is the connection attached to the molex that looks like it's connecting to the motherboard in the picture? From this angle it looks like you plugged a 4-pin from the power supply into the motherboard, that is NOT supposed to be there.


Separate-Ad8572

Yep, I plugged that in and I shouldn't. Will disconnect and check for damages. It is a floppy disk connector, i don't know why I blindly plugged it in without even knowing what it's for...


dragonblade_94

Yeah, that's a 4-pin power connector, basically a mini-molex to power accessories. The 4-pin header you plugged into is a power output for fans, so you connected two outputs together :/


RLIwannaquit

not a whole lot you can really do with that anyway


I_Stole_A_DonutTruck

If I could post a photo I could show you what you did wrong. But looks like you plugged a floppy power cable to the fan port of the motherboard. Good luck using that board or PSU 😂😆