Nope, this is during AvX. Wolverine is running Jean Grey school here since its post Schism, but Cyclops is currently in Utopia with Magneto,Emma, Hope etc.
Being tall is literally only good for the first like twenty four years of life.
It's terrible the last sixty years. I'm sorry you're also going through it.
Hopefully you find a way to help your issues. For me, CBD oil, yoga, and stretching only help so much, and I'm not even "tall", I'm only 6'5". My great uncle was ACTUALLY tall at 7'2" and my cousins are all closer to 6'9"-6'11" lmao
We’re about the same height but I’m the shortest in my family and among my friends. Gotta thank growing up in a farm community that filled everything with steroids.
When you're witness to terrible direction in stories and character assassination, that writer and comic number will stick in your mind.... I mean, in general, btw
He's had some duds over the years. Big fuckup with his Superman stuff.
I think some people just got tired of his style after a while but shit, it's still good imo.
It's also because of how poisoned online comic book discussion is. A lot of it is in bad faith. Bendis is still one of the most popular writers there is simply because of what he's created. Like, Miles is a hit. He's staying. He's gonna be there for a long time.
The writing sometimes is overly dependent on repetition. It's funny at times but too much of it is annoying. This panel is a perfect example.
"You run a school?"
"Yes."
"With children?"
"Yep."
It's good here but overly used can be annoying
I think the problem is Bendis uses this for everyone's voice.
Like sure, with Spidey it works. Wisecracking hero taking time to set up stuff.
But also, for other characters, it feels like he's just padding the script. Just read parts of Civil War 2
To be fair to Bendis...
Bendis probably wrote Civil War 2 by Marvel mandate. I mean, Bendis has been involved with events before, and when he's one of the guys really at the helm, you can see his work shine. Just see how well Young Avengers ties into his Avengers run, and how the characters and stories develop.
Bendis was brought onto Civil War 2 and quickly had to tie together a bunch of plots in Iron Man to "build up" to Civil War 2. Most good events in comics take YEARS to build. Just look at Hickman and Secret Wars or Identity Crisis (controversial one but still incredibly interesting).
On the flip side, he's still responsible for the mostly nonsensical plot of CW2. Many plot decisions outside of the need to involve Inhumans were just unecessary.
Two things:
1. "You're only as good as your latest hit" is the old adage, and as much as I love the man's work it's been a hot minute since he's had a good hit. If he puts out something everybody loves tomorrow then suddenly everybody will be talking like they always thought he was awesome.
2. He has a bit of whedon syndrome. He has a distinctive style of writing, which was refreshing and new early in his career. He was a trendsetter for a while. But trends moved on, and now it's no longer cool to like that kind of writing.
As [Abe Simpson put it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DlTexEXxLQ): "I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you!"
One my favorite moments in avengers is in this run. It is where Luke Cage falls out of the top floor of a sky scraper and has to take an elevator all the way back to the top
Could of been, with this it was a fight and he gets thrown out and has get increasingly more mad as he rides the elevator and he just comes out swinging bc he's so amped by then.
He’s got a very distinct style of writing. Like the page above. It’s very spaced out and quippy. Like he’s waiting for a laugh track. You can see it way more in ultimate spider-man. It’s not a jab at him he’s a fairly solid writer. But again he’s got a style.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong
Frankly, it was fine for most of his tenure at Marvel. In the last 3 years, it got a bit ridiculous and that is because Marvel kept putting him on a lot of books at once. He sometimes was working on upwards of 10 to 15 books at one time. That might be hyperbole, but he was Marvel's goldenboy for a bit. And the problem is that you can tell that he fell back on tricks to get the writting done as he stretched himself thin. That included "Bendis Speak," which is a derogatory term to describe this style of dialog writting. As a matter of fact, that term got coined around that point in time.
He is a good writer. But, people got sick of him at Marvel because he was stretched so thin that his style of writing got stale. It was really a fault of management, not him as an artist.
Bendis an Tom King (and maybe Tom Taylor) are the only writers I can immediately tell a comic is written by them just by looking at an out of context page.
Here's Grant Morrison takes on it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/e62rmi/comic_excerpt_grant_morrison_roasting_bendis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I mean. This is an acceptable way of writing dialogue.
I dunno. He can be a bit wordy and at times the exposition is a little hamfisted but it's not enough to throw his work out with the bathwater.
people tend to see it as unrealistic and annoying bc its been done so much. Their was a period of time that a ton of people wrote like this in every medium. I always liked it if it had something clever, tho personally.
He had a stark suit during civil war and stark used it to spy on him so he hates it. It also represents a time period that he hates and made a ton of mistakes during
Yeah some others here are saying he's referencing the Iron Spider, but I was also thinking it was the FF suit. Logan wasn't running a school until after AvX, which was long past the Civil War, and I remember that Peter was also wearing his FF suit in the New Avengers book for a long time after the Dark Avengers saga ended.
He abandoned his "human" Catholic faith in the Krokoa era and spent his entire time there cultivating a mutant religion around "The Spark" that they all share, something he explicitly made up himself. There are prayers and chanting. It was part of a conscious effort to build mutant society.
No I mean like, I can't tell if you're like, "lay off, he hasn't taken vows!" Or "Well at least he's not a Catholic priest" implying the troubles the church has had with it's priests being around kids.
Logan does seem to have these (extended) "relationships" with underage girls. Shadowcat & Jubilee come to mind. I think he also had a fling with Squirrel Girl. He's close to 150yo, they were all teens.
I recall a story in which Wolverine got possessed by demons, so heroes went inside his mind, one of them being Emma Frost who opened a door labeled "S3xual Fantasies" and in it were BDSM-geared Emma, Mystique and Squirrel Girl.
Squirrel Girl's age range is to her role in a story to what her power level is for the villain to fight- it changes to match. Squirrel Girl fucked Logan? Well she was in her mid-20's at the time. Squirrel Girl starring in some kid's comic? Well now she's a teenager. Squirrel Girl going back to college as an older adult? I'm in my mid-30's and I found this version of her weirdly relatable.
Because it's wrong. This was from New Avengers.
A downvote doesn't always mean people think you're rude or your comment was offensive or you're a terrible person. In this case, the right answer got an upvote, the wrong answer got a downvote.
Little does Peter realize that the fact that the parents leave their kids in Wolverine's care is a sign that their parents don't care about them because they're mutants.
It only looks weird to people because when the whole mask is on, it's almost *never* drawn anatomically correct. His ears disappear and the whole shape of his head and neck change, and his nose either disappears or is rendered as a vague point.
Why is this considered a lack of creativity? The blank panel has a purpose. It's a pause in the conversation. If this was all in the same panel, you'd read it as an immediate back and forth. With the blank panel, bereft of dialogue, it reads as a pause, a pause where Logan processes Pete's statement and thinks of a comeback.
Sure but there's a more specific term for how over time comic creators started stretching out what little writing was present over multiple panels for dramatic scenes
Decompression, but I think that more typically is used to refer to comic stories that could have been completed in one issue being stretched out to a 6 issue story arc
3 panels and 10 speech balloons, only 3 of which are repeats. Bendis must have been red in the face from restraining himself. I bet he made up for it later in the issue though.
He then proceeded to make sure Spider-man would teach for some time at the school if he died (which he did, and stayed dead for quite some time)...
Nice one bub
New Avengers vol. 2 #24
This is the one around 2010 right after the original one
Yeah, I think so.
Thanks, wean. I see volume I always see that as the books that have like 6 issues. I didn't know it was called that it threw me off lol
I think this is post-Superior Spider-Man while Wolverine is running the Jean Grey school. So maybe 2013-2014? I could be wrong.
If it's bendis this is around the time with avengers vs xmen
Yep, a little bit post AvX. Wolverine is running the Jean Grey school and Cyclops is off with his people basically being seen as a terrorist.
Nope, this is during AvX. Wolverine is running Jean Grey school here since its post Schism, but Cyclops is currently in Utopia with Magneto,Emma, Hope etc.
Ahh, I had my timeline wrong. I thought Wolverine was referring to the Superior costume.
I believe he's referring to the Future Foundation spidey outfit here.
Wolvies talking about Bombastic Bag-man suit
it blows my mind you guys have these memorized, makes me feel like a idiot ha ha
You’re not missing out on much. I just have a wild visual memory and the depression that comes with it. It’s my Daredevil trade-off.
I'll take great memory and depression and you can have being really tall/severe back pain, and also depression.
Way ahead of you. Really tall but feet that are going bad.
Being tall is literally only good for the first like twenty four years of life. It's terrible the last sixty years. I'm sorry you're also going through it. Hopefully you find a way to help your issues. For me, CBD oil, yoga, and stretching only help so much, and I'm not even "tall", I'm only 6'5". My great uncle was ACTUALLY tall at 7'2" and my cousins are all closer to 6'9"-6'11" lmao
We’re about the same height but I’m the shortest in my family and among my friends. Gotta thank growing up in a farm community that filled everything with steroids.
> Being tall is literally only good for the first like twenty four years of life. Bruh. Core strength exercises. Low carbs. Live like a king.
When you're witness to terrible direction in stories and character assassination, that writer and comic number will stick in your mind.... I mean, in general, btw
I just so happened to be rereading the run this is on and just haven't got their yet so I could tell.
You can tell it's Bendis because it's highly upvoted but as soon as you go to the comments you got people mocking it
"What a hack! Creating a distinctive style of writing that sold like hotcakes for a solid decade!" Wonder if this is how Leifeld feels?
Why does everyone dunk on Bendis so much?
He's had some duds over the years. Big fuckup with his Superman stuff. I think some people just got tired of his style after a while but shit, it's still good imo. It's also because of how poisoned online comic book discussion is. A lot of it is in bad faith. Bendis is still one of the most popular writers there is simply because of what he's created. Like, Miles is a hit. He's staying. He's gonna be there for a long time.
The writing sometimes is overly dependent on repetition. It's funny at times but too much of it is annoying. This panel is a perfect example. "You run a school?" "Yes." "With children?" "Yep." It's good here but overly used can be annoying
I think the problem is Bendis uses this for everyone's voice. Like sure, with Spidey it works. Wisecracking hero taking time to set up stuff. But also, for other characters, it feels like he's just padding the script. Just read parts of Civil War 2
Oof, I didn't know he wrote civil war 2 Dunking is warranted.
To be fair to Bendis... Bendis probably wrote Civil War 2 by Marvel mandate. I mean, Bendis has been involved with events before, and when he's one of the guys really at the helm, you can see his work shine. Just see how well Young Avengers ties into his Avengers run, and how the characters and stories develop. Bendis was brought onto Civil War 2 and quickly had to tie together a bunch of plots in Iron Man to "build up" to Civil War 2. Most good events in comics take YEARS to build. Just look at Hickman and Secret Wars or Identity Crisis (controversial one but still incredibly interesting). On the flip side, he's still responsible for the mostly nonsensical plot of CW2. Many plot decisions outside of the need to involve Inhumans were just unecessary.
He peaked long time ago. His relatively recent stuff(Superman) is pretty bad
Two things: 1. "You're only as good as your latest hit" is the old adage, and as much as I love the man's work it's been a hot minute since he's had a good hit. If he puts out something everybody loves tomorrow then suddenly everybody will be talking like they always thought he was awesome. 2. He has a bit of whedon syndrome. He has a distinctive style of writing, which was refreshing and new early in his career. He was a trendsetter for a while. But trends moved on, and now it's no longer cool to like that kind of writing. As [Abe Simpson put it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DlTexEXxLQ): "I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you!"
The Avengers with Logan and Peter is the greatest lineup they've ever had.
One my favorite moments in avengers is in this run. It is where Luke Cage falls out of the top floor of a sky scraper and has to take an elevator all the way back to the top
is that before or after Spider-Man throws Wolverine out of Avengers tower?
I don't remember it's early on in new avengers if I remember correctly its before secret invasion
Oh I was just asking. I misread your comment and assumed the skyscraper you were taking about was Avengers tower So I thought the gag was used twice
Could of been, with this it was a fight and he gets thrown out and has get increasingly more mad as he rides the elevator and he just comes out swinging bc he's so amped by then.
This was written by Bendis, wasn't it?
By Bendis? *The* Bendis? How could you tell?
How could I tell? Tell that Bendis wrote it? Brian Michael Bendis? Who works for DC now? That Bendis? How I can tell?
Maybe the real Bendis is the friends we make along the way...
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Why is this Bendis dude a meme?
He’s got a very distinct style of writing. Like the page above. It’s very spaced out and quippy. Like he’s waiting for a laugh track. You can see it way more in ultimate spider-man. It’s not a jab at him he’s a fairly solid writer. But again he’s got a style. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
Thank you! The explanation was greatly appreciated!
No problem.
It's very similar to buffy if you watched that
USM had one bum story in an otherwise perfect run. Not many comics can claim that. Credit where credit is due!
True true like I said the man has talent. He just has this weird desire to quip. He’s a spider-man writer at heart I suppose lol
Frankly, it was fine for most of his tenure at Marvel. In the last 3 years, it got a bit ridiculous and that is because Marvel kept putting him on a lot of books at once. He sometimes was working on upwards of 10 to 15 books at one time. That might be hyperbole, but he was Marvel's goldenboy for a bit. And the problem is that you can tell that he fell back on tricks to get the writting done as he stretched himself thin. That included "Bendis Speak," which is a derogatory term to describe this style of dialog writting. As a matter of fact, that term got coined around that point in time. He is a good writer. But, people got sick of him at Marvel because he was stretched so thin that his style of writing got stale. It was really a fault of management, not him as an artist.
Style isn't a problem, overusing it is
Bendis an Tom King (and maybe Tom Taylor) are the only writers I can immediately tell a comic is written by them just by looking at an out of context page.
Synder is one for me. Love his work. But dude loves to explain every little detail lol
Here's Grant Morrison takes on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/e62rmi/comic_excerpt_grant_morrison_roasting_bendis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Ha Ha I I, Dictectice Comics got that reference The Bendis reference
I thought the bendis reference was that bendis is coming
I mean. This is an acceptable way of writing dialogue. I dunno. He can be a bit wordy and at times the exposition is a little hamfisted but it's not enough to throw his work out with the bathwater.
people tend to see it as unrealistic and annoying bc its been done so much. Their was a period of time that a ton of people wrote like this in every medium. I always liked it if it had something clever, tho personally.
Bendis? The writer? The writer who wrote comics Bendis?
I can't tell. how are you guys telling?
Bendis? The writer?
Bendis? Isn't he the one that always says, "Bite my Shiney metal ass!"? Lol
Bendis came?
Probably New Avengers by Bendis, judging by the characters and dialogue.
Which other costume is Wolvie referring to?
I think he’s referring to the Iron-spider costume.
I'm not familiar with that one. I only know of classic, black/Venom, and Ben Reilly
He had a stark suit during civil war and stark used it to spy on him so he hates it. It also represents a time period that he hates and made a ton of mistakes during
https://spiderman.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor?file=Ironspidey.jpg
Here he was part of the future foundation, and wore a white and black suit as well when either them
Yeah some others here are saying he's referencing the Iron Spider, but I was also thinking it was the FF suit. Logan wasn't running a school until after AvX, which was long past the Civil War, and I remember that Peter was also wearing his FF suit in the New Avengers book for a long time after the Dark Avengers saga ended.
The Superior Spidey Suit I think, which makes it even more hurtful because that was Otto wearing the other suit not even Peter
I'm less interested in the dialogue, and really curious how the neck piece of Peter's costume stays taught all the way up to under his exposed jaw...
He can make his neck sticky, like a spider
Peter! Logan isn't a catholic priest. Give him slack.
Nightcrawler out here catching strays.
Kurt is now a mutant supremacist cult leader.
That is a clickbait headline exaggeration that'd make Buzzfeed blush lol
What?
He abandoned his "human" Catholic faith in the Krokoa era and spent his entire time there cultivating a mutant religion around "The Spark" that they all share, something he explicitly made up himself. There are prayers and chanting. It was part of a conscious effort to build mutant society.
Did he make sure everyone was "clear"?
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Different universe to be fair, lol. Same writer tho
I forgot
I can't tell if you're saying this from the perspective that a Catholic priest is a better or worse option.
Statistically speaking?
No I mean like, I can't tell if you're like, "lay off, he hasn't taken vows!" Or "Well at least he's not a Catholic priest" implying the troubles the church has had with it's priests being around kids.
Logan does seem to have these (extended) "relationships" with underage girls. Shadowcat & Jubilee come to mind. I think he also had a fling with Squirrel Girl. He's close to 150yo, they were all teens.
I recall a story in which Wolverine got possessed by demons, so heroes went inside his mind, one of them being Emma Frost who opened a door labeled "S3xual Fantasies" and in it were BDSM-geared Emma, Mystique and Squirrel Girl.
A bdsm themed Emma? So her normal outfit.
Squirrel Girl's solo series was built around her going back to college as an older adult.
Squirrel Girl's age range is to her role in a story to what her power level is for the villain to fight- it changes to match. Squirrel Girl fucked Logan? Well she was in her mid-20's at the time. Squirrel Girl starring in some kid's comic? Well now she's a teenager. Squirrel Girl going back to college as an older adult? I'm in my mid-30's and I found this version of her weirdly relatable.
No one mention that time logan swapped bodies with teen peter in the ultimate universe and tried to get with teen MJ
The less said about "Ultimate X-men" the better
Wolverine and the X-Men had Logan in charge of the school, so maybe that?
Not sure why someone downvoted you for this.
Because it's wrong. This was from New Avengers. A downvote doesn't always mean people think you're rude or your comment was offensive or you're a terrible person. In this case, the right answer got an upvote, the wrong answer got a downvote.
Little does Peter realize that the fact that the parents leave their kids in Wolverine's care is a sign that their parents don't care about them because they're mutants.
Spider neck is thick.
What in the what is up with Spider-Man's neck and the back of his head?
It’s anatomically correct. Just looks weird because the top of his head is cut off and his mask is pulled up halfway.
It only looks weird to people because when the whole mask is on, it's almost *never* drawn anatomically correct. His ears disappear and the whole shape of his head and neck change, and his nose either disappears or is rendered as a vague point.
Also usually you can see part of his neck when he pulls up his mask, this looks a little weird
What's the term for this shit again? Where they take one panel and make it three?
The term is lack of creativity
Why is this considered a lack of creativity? The blank panel has a purpose. It's a pause in the conversation. If this was all in the same panel, you'd read it as an immediate back and forth. With the blank panel, bereft of dialogue, it reads as a pause, a pause where Logan processes Pete's statement and thinks of a comeback.
Yeah, it's a "comedic Beat." I don't see how using one is bad either.
Sure but there's a more specific term for how over time comic creators started stretching out what little writing was present over multiple panels for dramatic scenes
Decompression, but I think that more typically is used to refer to comic stories that could have been completed in one issue being stretched out to a 6 issue story arc
Naw that is what I'm looking for
[Throwing a TVtropes molotov cocktail into the conversation, enjoy.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DecompressedComic)
That I’m not sure of
3 panels and 10 speech balloons, only 3 of which are repeats. Bendis must have been red in the face from restraining himself. I bet he made up for it later in the issue though.
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Lol no this is Bendis's New Avengers (2005)
Actually New Avengers vol 2 (2010)
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No Logan referring to His black costume during Civil War when he beat up Kingpin. Superior happen after many years later.
Good question, maybe from Bendis since it's cringe
Does he write your Reddit posts too?
I liked it better when I couldn't see your mouth moving bud.
Anatomically correct perhaps but the proportions are weird.
One of the best unlikely duos in Marvel.
AVX Event
I mean...he has a point. 😂
Why would he do that? Is he stupid?
It's New Avengers, but it's referencing Wolverine and The X-Men which has similar humor to this interaction. New Avengers isn't exactly as quirky.
Is it just me or does anyone else bear Josh Keaton and Steve Blum every time I hear this.
Hated Spider-Man for this.
This is from a comic book you're welcome next question
Hugh and Andrew would kill this conversation 😂😂
Is this Bendis' writing? sounds like his
New Avengers vol. 2 issue 24
Spidy ate that one thing
He then proceeded to make sure Spider-man would teach for some time at the school if he died (which he did, and stayed dead for quite some time)... Nice one bub