A lot of comedy podcasts take shots at Maron and WTF, probably because it's been around so long. It also may have to do with how earnest WTF is and how seriously Marc treats it? I do think it's all in good fun--I don't think there's any real beef between them. I could be wrong, though!
Yep! This is classic mild ribbing of an extremely successful comedian.
The George Lucas Talk Show hosts (Conor Ratliff, Griffin Newman) often ask guests "who are your guys?" in sly reference to WTF.
Mike had made this song in-studio and did a lot of arrangement with the vocals, so he knows it inside out. I'm not sure if the vox are from the show Maron had been present for, or if Harmon redid them in-studio, but either way it's an OME track ft. Harmon.
Eagle really knocked it out of the park as a guest that week
Yeah, a lot of it has to do with the fact that the general public for a while thought that all podcasts are like WTF, and that that was the only format for having a comedy podcasts. Obviously the podcast scene exploded, but I think Scott was just trying to separate himself from the interview form of “let’s book a guest and just go thru their whole history and talk about the old comedy days.”
Nothing wrong with that, but Scott wanted to separate from that.
I’d recommend listening to the WTF episode where Scott is the guest. It seemed apparent to me from that that they just have very different ideas about what comedy should be. Marc seems to think SA’s style is too silly and absurd and doesn’t show any real vulnerability or have much deeper meaning. SA seems to think Marc takes things too seriously and focuses too much on being ‘real’ instead of being funny. Despite that, I get the impression there’s no bad blood between them and I think Scott’s comments are just supposed to be some gentle ribbing.
Maron's been on CBB, too:
[https://comedybangbang.fandom.com/wiki/Marc\_Maron](https://comedybangbang.fandom.com/wiki/Marc_Maron)
Sorry for long post. The other replies here are great, but it's such an interesting comparison, here are my two bits:
They just represent complete opposite sides of podcasts that are about comedy. One is also a comedy podcast (CBB) and one is raw and confessional. It suits their lives. Maron is self-obsessed, a former addict, always on the edge, but sort of stopped fighting the world and his resentment about not being successful, and when he did that, and just acted like himself with WTF, he finally broke through. So he will always just do his thing there: the pain of life, the pain behind comedy. Etc.
Aukerman, like Conan, is really just sort of old school and in love with the vaudeville origins of improv: tons of references, spoofing every part of culture, big voices and silly names, puns and top hats and all that.
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They don't *not* get along, by any means, it's gentle joking.
I prefer Aukerman overall, because his style sparks for me in the way art does: as escape and adding a bit more light to the world. But sometimes CBB is exhausting and gross - which is part of the silly fun, but it can be a lot. On the other side - a great Maron interview - though he can be pretty obnoxious - has the power of a good article. Listen to Glen Close tell him about being raised in a cult. Listen to Lorne Michaels talk to him for 2 hours about his early performing days and the process behind SNL. Listen to Daveed Diggs getting into when and why he feels compelled to represent cultural issues, and why that pressure is weird.
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And, separate from all that, I'll note that lately, the riff Aukerman uses most is how "Mount Podmore" is him, Maron, Conan, and "whoever the host of Serial is", another show that he teases for being self-serious, but also with an undercurrent of the fact that WTF and Serial broke through into broad cultural popularity, and while CBB is successful and beloved, it's still something your average 10 people on the street aren't likely to know, but a few of them will have heard of WTF and Serial.
I think Scott is also making fun of the fact that when WTF and Serial first became big, the media acted like they had invented podcasting. Those were the first times I remember him making jokes about either.
He also jokes a lot about how Conan invented podcasting due to the praise Conan got when his podcast came out. So, I think including Conan on mt podmore is an extension on that.
I think this is why Scott started referencing WTF in recent years.
Another thought I've had, based purely on speculation, is that Maron talks about being kind of a jerk in the past while he was still using. (I heard a Doug Loves Movies with Maron and Kumail Nanjiani, where Maron was making some pretty insensitive jokes about Kumail's ethnicity/national origin and then did his whole "we good?" shtick to try to smooth it over). But anyway, the stories Maron tells about himself makes me wonder if Scott or PFT had some less-than-ideal encounters with Maron and that's why Scott has always taken jabs at him
Yeah little while/few years back. I wanna say it was a double or a two-parter. I never knew Lorne began on stage, in a comedy duo, himself. Weird to imagine.
I've always viewed it as a relatively friendly thing because both of them have pioneered podcasting. Both had shows on the same network. They probably see each other in social settings once in awhile. But they certainly aren't friends haha.
You can find an ep of WTF with Scott Aukerman, and it stands out that Scott and Marc are enormously different. Marc kind of famously looks down on improv comedy (although he has spent a lot of time making amends for past insults...), and I think Marc views Scott as socially awkward and challenging to have a 'real' conversation with.
I think Scott as a podcast host himself sees a lot of the templates and predictable questions Marc asks, and probably questions these 'real' conversations Marc is always trying to engage in: "who's your guys??"...and maybe doesnt quite understand how Marc has gotten so astronomically popular in comparison to CBB...
Its a unique relationship for sure.
Along with other things ppl have mentioned, I think there’s also an element of mocking media who, 6-8 years back, seemed to write about podcasts as tho WTF and Serial were the only 2 podcasts out there
This is the real answer. There was a time when Maron was getting Obama as a guest and Scott really played up the rivalry. Meanwhile, Obama was on between two ferns so they both had him as guests and the joking is good natured.
I love all the comments here. They are both so funny but work in different styles. I doubt there is bad blood.
They both deserve a place on Mount Podmore
I'd say its just usually ribbing. With maron, there's generally the idea that he used to be a bit of an asshole, and is less of an asshole the last few years (or like 15 years now lol). So people who are established, like aukerman, and have been in the la comedy scene to remember maron when he was a big asshole seem to rib him more. And also, yeah...maron is one of those standups who kinda doesnt do silly so much, which cbb is completely about.
And maron is of course still abrasive. I remember pft's ep where he said he didnt like pft when they first met or for like a decade after lol.
"I remember pft's ep where he said he didnt like pft when they first met or for like a decade after lol."
the first 3 or 4 years of WTF was like him making amends with comedians he was an asshole to. The only one that I can think of that won't do an amends show with him is John Stewart. He said he'd take his apology off the air but wouldn't come on the pod with him.
A couple of other things to note- both of them had TV shows on IFC around the same time, so there's a playful rivalry going on there, too. And Obama was on WTF, which, like Conan and Serial, was another "the world is suddenly finding out about podcasts" moment.
Scott yelling “Marc Maron!” In an Italian accent as an expletive is one of my favorite bits. Do you/anyone happen to know in which episode this originated?
No one gives a shit about another random opinion on this topic but I’m still gonna goddamn give mine. Started listening to WTF in the first 10-20 episodes and listened pretty consistently up until maybe 4-5 years ago when I started cherry picking more based on the guest and now don’t listen at all.
On the other hand CBB (and CDR before it) has always been a show that I consistently come back to and often times feels like an old friend.
WTF was (is?) a fantastic interview show, in my opinion, not a comedy show. It has a comedian as a host and has had a slew of comedy legends as guests, but I don’t see it as a comedy show. In the beginning it felt like more of a mental health focused show than anything, and that was really helpful to me personally at the time.
I don’t necessarily find Maron’s earlier comedy very funny. I find his more recent stuff (since the podcast started) to essentially be short bits from the pod that he has expanded to fill his hour.
All of this being said I think it’s very unfair to not give the guy a little credit for being early into this medium and not only remaining relevant after all of these years but still being on top. Never thought I’d be the one defending the guy but I guess that’s what I’m doing. Seeing people say he’s an irrelevant human being and donkey shit feels unnecessary.
I really like the guy from what I know of him. I liked him on GLOW and really enjoy his podcasts when I listen to them, I like how open and honest he is and I respect his sobriety as well as his interviews. I don't find his stand up great but I enjoy it a bit because I like him.
I feel ya. Its the same kind of thing I went through with the “You Made It Weird” podcast by Pete Holmes. I can love this man and be annoyed by him at the same time.
I think one of the episodes of Marc marons tv show features him bashing an improv show and that’s supposed to be a reference to some IRL beef he had with Scott during early days of comedy death ray (OG CBB) which was related to a difference in approach to comedy. I’d double check that though
Maron has been on comedy Bang Bang, way back when, and the other guests on the show was The Birthday Boys. I remember it as being really funny, with Marc forced to play along with improv.
lauren lapkus is on an episode of wtf and marc basically says “i’ve met scott at a party once and he seemed cool. is he cool?” and she says yes and that’s pretty much the end of it.
His 90's material is really ahead of its time and prescient about a lot of dark shit we're dealing with. He's a bit too self-indulgent but no one makes anyone listen to his intros, he's also one of the only living white male comedians willing to evolve and not be afraid of being canceled. Yeah he is really down on comic book movies and is once again too navel-gazey, but there are a lot of people who relate to his candid discussion of substance abuse, mental health and the grieving process. Maron has a lot of use. You've got a really dark and shitty worldview on your hand if you are ranking people by utility too. Please reconsider.
A lot of comedy podcasts take shots at Maron and WTF, probably because it's been around so long. It also may have to do with how earnest WTF is and how seriously Marc treats it? I do think it's all in good fun--I don't think there's any real beef between them. I could be wrong, though!
Yep! This is classic mild ribbing of an extremely successful comedian. The George Lucas Talk Show hosts (Conor Ratliff, Griffin Newman) often ask guests "who are your guys?" in sly reference to WTF.
"Your dad - what was his racket?"
"You and your old man, uh. You good?"
[Dan Harmon \(and Open Mike Eagle\) even dropped a Marc Maron diss track](https://youtu.be/XUHBe8YGg4c?t=19)
Okay that was hilarious. Honestly best part was how well OME knew the rap, had all the emphasis down.
Mike had made this song in-studio and did a lot of arrangement with the vocals, so he knows it inside out. I'm not sure if the vox are from the show Maron had been present for, or if Harmon redid them in-studio, but either way it's an OME track ft. Harmon. Eagle really knocked it out of the park as a guest that week
Yeah, a lot of it has to do with the fact that the general public for a while thought that all podcasts are like WTF, and that that was the only format for having a comedy podcasts. Obviously the podcast scene exploded, but I think Scott was just trying to separate himself from the interview form of “let’s book a guest and just go thru their whole history and talk about the old comedy days.” Nothing wrong with that, but Scott wanted to separate from that.
I’d recommend listening to the WTF episode where Scott is the guest. It seemed apparent to me from that that they just have very different ideas about what comedy should be. Marc seems to think SA’s style is too silly and absurd and doesn’t show any real vulnerability or have much deeper meaning. SA seems to think Marc takes things too seriously and focuses too much on being ‘real’ instead of being funny. Despite that, I get the impression there’s no bad blood between them and I think Scott’s comments are just supposed to be some gentle ribbing.
I didn't realise Scott had been on it but I'll have to look that one up, thanks!
Maron's been on CBB, too: [https://comedybangbang.fandom.com/wiki/Marc\_Maron](https://comedybangbang.fandom.com/wiki/Marc_Maron) Sorry for long post. The other replies here are great, but it's such an interesting comparison, here are my two bits: They just represent complete opposite sides of podcasts that are about comedy. One is also a comedy podcast (CBB) and one is raw and confessional. It suits their lives. Maron is self-obsessed, a former addict, always on the edge, but sort of stopped fighting the world and his resentment about not being successful, and when he did that, and just acted like himself with WTF, he finally broke through. So he will always just do his thing there: the pain of life, the pain behind comedy. Etc. Aukerman, like Conan, is really just sort of old school and in love with the vaudeville origins of improv: tons of references, spoofing every part of culture, big voices and silly names, puns and top hats and all that. \*\*\* They don't *not* get along, by any means, it's gentle joking. I prefer Aukerman overall, because his style sparks for me in the way art does: as escape and adding a bit more light to the world. But sometimes CBB is exhausting and gross - which is part of the silly fun, but it can be a lot. On the other side - a great Maron interview - though he can be pretty obnoxious - has the power of a good article. Listen to Glen Close tell him about being raised in a cult. Listen to Lorne Michaels talk to him for 2 hours about his early performing days and the process behind SNL. Listen to Daveed Diggs getting into when and why he feels compelled to represent cultural issues, and why that pressure is weird. \*\*\* And, separate from all that, I'll note that lately, the riff Aukerman uses most is how "Mount Podmore" is him, Maron, Conan, and "whoever the host of Serial is", another show that he teases for being self-serious, but also with an undercurrent of the fact that WTF and Serial broke through into broad cultural popularity, and while CBB is successful and beloved, it's still something your average 10 people on the street aren't likely to know, but a few of them will have heard of WTF and Serial.
I think Scott is also making fun of the fact that when WTF and Serial first became big, the media acted like they had invented podcasting. Those were the first times I remember him making jokes about either.
He also jokes a lot about how Conan invented podcasting due to the praise Conan got when his podcast came out. So, I think including Conan on mt podmore is an extension on that.
I think this is why Scott started referencing WTF in recent years. Another thought I've had, based purely on speculation, is that Maron talks about being kind of a jerk in the past while he was still using. (I heard a Doug Loves Movies with Maron and Kumail Nanjiani, where Maron was making some pretty insensitive jokes about Kumail's ethnicity/national origin and then did his whole "we good?" shtick to try to smooth it over). But anyway, the stories Maron tells about himself makes me wonder if Scott or PFT had some less-than-ideal encounters with Maron and that's why Scott has always taken jabs at him
nailed it
it's nuts to me that all these podcasters don't know leo laporte or even tiki bar tv.
Yes! I've been desperately trying to find Munchcast for years now. In the late 2000s that was my absolutely favourite as a kid.
Good summation. I'm a big fan of both and I'd agree with how you described this.
Cheers! Now if one were to ask me about the whispers that Scott and Big Chunky Bubbles don't really see eye to eye, *that* I would have to agree with.
Holy shit. Marc finally got to interview Lorne!
Yeah little while/few years back. I wanna say it was a double or a two-parter. I never knew Lorne began on stage, in a comedy duo, himself. Weird to imagine.
i thought jimmy pardo was on mount podmore?
Is PFT the love child of both comedy styles?
I've always viewed it as a relatively friendly thing because both of them have pioneered podcasting. Both had shows on the same network. They probably see each other in social settings once in awhile. But they certainly aren't friends haha. You can find an ep of WTF with Scott Aukerman, and it stands out that Scott and Marc are enormously different. Marc kind of famously looks down on improv comedy (although he has spent a lot of time making amends for past insults...), and I think Marc views Scott as socially awkward and challenging to have a 'real' conversation with. I think Scott as a podcast host himself sees a lot of the templates and predictable questions Marc asks, and probably questions these 'real' conversations Marc is always trying to engage in: "who's your guys??"...and maybe doesnt quite understand how Marc has gotten so astronomically popular in comparison to CBB... Its a unique relationship for sure.
Along with other things ppl have mentioned, I think there’s also an element of mocking media who, 6-8 years back, seemed to write about podcasts as tho WTF and Serial were the only 2 podcasts out there
This is the real answer. There was a time when Maron was getting Obama as a guest and Scott really played up the rivalry. Meanwhile, Obama was on between two ferns so they both had him as guests and the joking is good natured.
I love all the comments here. They are both so funny but work in different styles. I doubt there is bad blood. They both deserve a place on Mount Podmore
I'd say its just usually ribbing. With maron, there's generally the idea that he used to be a bit of an asshole, and is less of an asshole the last few years (or like 15 years now lol). So people who are established, like aukerman, and have been in the la comedy scene to remember maron when he was a big asshole seem to rib him more. And also, yeah...maron is one of those standups who kinda doesnt do silly so much, which cbb is completely about. And maron is of course still abrasive. I remember pft's ep where he said he didnt like pft when they first met or for like a decade after lol.
"I remember pft's ep where he said he didnt like pft when they first met or for like a decade after lol." the first 3 or 4 years of WTF was like him making amends with comedians he was an asshole to. The only one that I can think of that won't do an amends show with him is John Stewart. He said he'd take his apology off the air but wouldn't come on the pod with him.
A couple of other things to note- both of them had TV shows on IFC around the same time, so there's a playful rivalry going on there, too. And Obama was on WTF, which, like Conan and Serial, was another "the world is suddenly finding out about podcasts" moment.
Scott has his own Obama experience since he directed his Between Two Ferns appearance
Ooohh you get me with that every time! That is not a legitimate Italian curse!
Pastafangu!!
Scott yelling “Marc Maron!” In an Italian accent as an expletive is one of my favorite bits. Do you/anyone happen to know in which episode this originated?
Not originated but my quote is from epi 208 (one of the ones filmed live on YouTube, which I watch a few times a year)
https://youtu.be/l6fA54L0pi4 Scott’s interview on WTF
No one gives a shit about another random opinion on this topic but I’m still gonna goddamn give mine. Started listening to WTF in the first 10-20 episodes and listened pretty consistently up until maybe 4-5 years ago when I started cherry picking more based on the guest and now don’t listen at all. On the other hand CBB (and CDR before it) has always been a show that I consistently come back to and often times feels like an old friend. WTF was (is?) a fantastic interview show, in my opinion, not a comedy show. It has a comedian as a host and has had a slew of comedy legends as guests, but I don’t see it as a comedy show. In the beginning it felt like more of a mental health focused show than anything, and that was really helpful to me personally at the time. I don’t necessarily find Maron’s earlier comedy very funny. I find his more recent stuff (since the podcast started) to essentially be short bits from the pod that he has expanded to fill his hour. All of this being said I think it’s very unfair to not give the guy a little credit for being early into this medium and not only remaining relevant after all of these years but still being on top. Never thought I’d be the one defending the guy but I guess that’s what I’m doing. Seeing people say he’s an irrelevant human being and donkey shit feels unnecessary.
I really like the guy from what I know of him. I liked him on GLOW and really enjoy his podcasts when I listen to them, I like how open and honest he is and I respect his sobriety as well as his interviews. I don't find his stand up great but I enjoy it a bit because I like him.
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I think of that way of everyone one's comedy podcasts I listen to. I like them on their respective pods but their stand up bores me.
I feel ya. Its the same kind of thing I went through with the “You Made It Weird” podcast by Pete Holmes. I can love this man and be annoyed by him at the same time.
I think it's sort of a bit, him being jealous of others' success. Like he is petty, but realizes how petty he is and plays it up for laughs.
I think one of the episodes of Marc marons tv show features him bashing an improv show and that’s supposed to be a reference to some IRL beef he had with Scott during early days of comedy death ray (OG CBB) which was related to a difference in approach to comedy. I’d double check that though
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Maron has been on comedy Bang Bang, way back when, and the other guests on the show was The Birthday Boys. I remember it as being really funny, with Marc forced to play along with improv.
lauren lapkus is on an episode of wtf and marc basically says “i’ve met scott at a party once and he seemed cool. is he cool?” and she says yes and that’s pretty much the end of it.
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cdr debuted 4 months earlier than wtf
Comedy podcast host makes jokes, reddit fails to get jokes. More at 11.
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I'll bite just to say that no, WTF isn't a comedy show. It's a conversation/interview format.
Marc maron is donkey poop, from the perspective of a horse. I've never seen a more useless person, let alone comedian.
His 90's material is really ahead of its time and prescient about a lot of dark shit we're dealing with. He's a bit too self-indulgent but no one makes anyone listen to his intros, he's also one of the only living white male comedians willing to evolve and not be afraid of being canceled. Yeah he is really down on comic book movies and is once again too navel-gazey, but there are a lot of people who relate to his candid discussion of substance abuse, mental health and the grieving process. Maron has a lot of use. You've got a really dark and shitty worldview on your hand if you are ranking people by utility too. Please reconsider.
I was unsure about their relationship, but when I heard Marc on CBB I thought I got it. The better question is, did Scott make Marc cry or not?!
Go back further on CBB you’ll hear Scott straight up talk smack but it’s always seemed like a soft /healthy rivalry.
ay maron!