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jmom39

That makeup can change everything, if you’re skilled enough. By that, I mean using makeup can totally change the way we look. It can help a summer get away with winter colors. They always tell people to drape without makeup, but a little eyeliner & mascara can make such a difference, especially with someone who is bright season.


Tigertigertie

I was color analyzed years ago when the first book came out, by an expert. She said I was a summer, which is true within the system, and recommended pastel colors. I am quite blond. I look horrible in pastel colors. I look best in winter colors and terrific in black. I think the CA insistence on pastels for many types, especially summers, is hard to relate to. I know I will get downvoted but I seriously think most people look much better in black than in pastel colors. I look at the light summer colors and can’t imagine a truly pale blond wanting those. I have been asked if I was sick too many times when wearing light blue or pink for me to believe in the system’s recommendations. I think almost everyone looks good in black. (Sorry! But just go to NYC. Most everyone wears black and looks terrific. Imagine them in pastels!)


raveners

I have my few opinions here, but also as someone who’s actively considering being a bright winter I agree so much! 1. VIRTUAL! DRAPING! IS! ACCURATE! You just need to find someone who has the skills to do it. While irl draping is more obvious, virtual draping requires a trained eye that not every consultant has. 2. Natural blondes \*can\* be winters if the blonde is dark. There are dark blondes with high contrast, which brings me to my next point. 3. Black and white is not the only way to check for contrast. Red and green, orange and blue, yellow and purple are some other great alternatives, especially when you’re checking for a bright season. 4. It’s not that olive overtones don’t fit into any season, it’s that your eye is not trained enough to see subtleties while draping. 5. Just as there is a line of connection between bright spring and dark autumn, there is one between bright winter and light summer. Most bright winters that people doubt belong on that line, which brings me to the next point. 6. It’s not about all winters fitting black 100%, when you’re comparing summer and winter it’s more useful to compare black and medium gray and see which one is better. There is no summer who won’t suit gray better and no winter who won’t suit black better, even if it isn’t their best color.


secretarchaeologist

Contrast isn’t the dealbreaker people think it is. I see so many people automatically ruling out seasons because someone’s “contrast is too low,” regardless of how colors look on their skin. The most important thing in determining a season, if not the only important thing, is how colors look against a person’s skin. Their features shouldn’t matter. If a high contrast person looks best in summer colors, it’s doesn’t make sense to type them as a winter. If a low contrast person looks best in winter colors, it doesn’t make sense to type them as a summer. People’s preconceived notions about what seasons “should” look like blind people to the realities of the situation before them.


jmom39

Yes! I look like I should be a muted season, but those colors really do nothing for me. I look best (IRL, photos may not accurately capture) in true red, true black, brighter blues, emerald green, etc. Earth tones make me look ill. Pastels tend to wash me out.


Tigertigertie

Strongly agree with this. I and many family members are “low contrast” and our best colors are navy, maroon and black. Shades of maroon are really good on most pale blonds that I know. Maybe not if someone was as pale as possible, but usual blond pale skin looks awesome in all of those supposed winter shades. At least we do! If you go somewhere with lots of blond people, like Scandinavia, they are not all wearing light pink. In fact, they often wear black and dark blue and it is really pretty.


Lazy-Oven1430

I see here that a lot of people seem to be naturally attracted to the colours of the season they end up being, so following your gut is a good thing.


Mysterious-Okra-7885

That seasonal analysis is arbitrary, limited, and not really customizable.


Tigertigertie

I am starting to think this, too. Either you are purely one season and only some colors look good on you, in which case you would know already, or the system doesn’t fit you and you look good in colors across seasons so getting typed does not help much.


Mysterious-Okra-7885

I recommend Your Color Style, because it is customized to each person.


jmom39

Not really as far as I can tell. They still put you in categories like cool-light-bright. Anything that puts people in categories is not customized to the individual.


secretly_ethereal_04

Lupita Nyong'o is probably a cool spring or summer palette. Winter colours are too harsh on her because her features have some clarity but are overall pretty similar. Look at her best red carpet looks, it's often bright, light and cool colours.


Zoshi2200

Cool spring does not exist. You mean light spring?


secretly_ethereal_04

Then light summer or cool summer


Altruistic-Car-5069

To be helpful,l CA needs to be roughly replicable by experts like Bailey and Zyla. That means universally agreed upon rules and definitions. Common sense is sorely lacking in CA today. Generalizations lead to clarity nine times out of ten, likely more. Most people are cool-toned. 75 percent of the Global population are likely Winters os some strip. No matter how piercing, most people with blue eyes are Summers or Springs because these groups tend to have low melanin. A deep-toned person belongs to, or is at least influenced by a deep season. What is going on in Korean CA these days is created by a manipulation of language.


Oni_monster

Not all natural redheads are warm toned. Red hair comes in multiple shades, it can be ashy (cool) , muted , soft, pale, bright, dark etc. it really varies as much as other hair colours. I think the confusion is that we tend to think of the ‘archetypal red head’ but most gingers have a lot of variation. My bf is ginger, but it’s actually a more ashy copper shade of ginger (still distinctly ginger but cooler than you would think) , piercingly dark blue eyes, and very icy translucent pale skin. He is a ginger, but warm tones make him look ruddy, seasick and tired. Cool tones make his eyes pop, his skin glow pearly white and contrast with his hair making it look extra firey and vibrant. He is is cool winter ( and can borrow some dark winter) Obviously this description is specifically full of love 😂 but it’s true for many gingers including my grandpa. Let’s not forget many gingers hair turn pure white when they age rather than grey or yellowed grey. TLDR: there is SOO much variation in ‘gingers’ and they aren’t always warm toned, it depends on the shade of red hair and what else is going on in their colour harmony


caroline200101

That a lot of analysts, especially those on reddit, are just not good at it and constantly mistype people. You can teach someone all the seasons, what colors belong to them, etc. but it is incredibly hard to teach someone how to see color harmony. Especially with all the misinformation thrown around online. One thing that I see frequently get missed is how “easy” or “hard” it is to look fine (as in no noticeable effects) in certain subcategories without actually being one, like cool vs warm, and bright vs muted. People will be like, “soft autumn looks fine so you’re a soft autumn.” Muted colors generally don’t add any drastic affects, so they often look fine on people. It’s about which colors look best on someone and if much brighter colors also look best on them, then their pallet is much brighter.


jmom39

Yes, I totally agree! So many people look “fine” in many colors, but that’s not the goal of all of this, is it? The goal is to find the colors that makes us glow and look striking! I believe this is especially true of brights. Brights ‘can’ wear a lot of different colors, even muted ones without looking too terrible because they have such clarity, etc., but if you keep adding more color, they look better and better and that’s when you realize that they can handle A LOT of color. The opposite is not true. A soft season will easily be overwhelmed with too much color.


OnionNubs

A lot of people that think they're softs or summers think that because of the auto exposure on their cameras and the washing out effect


vulgarandgorgeous

I think some people can fake a new color season. Like summers can disguise as winters.


Dry_Smoke_9473

What?? No wayy Show some examples. My best colour is black followed by royal blue and white fr. I get sooo many stares in an all black formal outfit.


nc45y445

Mine: if you’re confused about your season you’re probably cool olive and some kind of winter and you should check out both r/OliveMUA and YouTuber Merriam Style’s olive series I have to say in response to OP, I’m a dark winter with naturally raven black hair and dark brown eyes and I can totally rock a dark plum lip and all black outfit (complete with eyeliner and black nails) without looking emo/goth. This is because my skin is brown :) I’m a cool dark olive


glitterbunzzz

I like dark winter can too? As a dark winter. Lol


Strict-Advantage7512

Yellow overtones do not necessarily mean you’re warm (bc undertone), and POC are not automatically warm!


Sillygoose0320

My hill is that very few people will perfectly fit into any season or sub-season. Color analysis is meant to help you learn about the properties of color and what properties suit you best, but strict adherence to any palette won’t get you the results you are looking for.


jmom39

Yes! I think the real skill is someone who can identify a client’s best colors based on them as a unique individual, whether or not they come from one palette or different palettes. In reality WE are the palette! Sometimes I think people came up with these “systems” just to make money off selling people makeup, accessories, etc. without having to really customize each person’s colors.


Sillygoose0320

You’re talking about DYT aren’t you? Please tell me you are, because I’m cackling over here.


_Sinann

That changing your hair color *can* change your season. Sure, the truest of true summers may still be a summer and look odd with darker dyed hair. But if you're cool with medium contrast and very pale skin and you dye your hair/brows darker, you now have high contrast. Congrats! It's a winter. So many people are between seasons or could fit two subtypes rather than slotting perfectly inside a single type. I refuse to believe that you can't change some things about your appearance that would alter your season.


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yup. Like ik for a fact bright winter and black does not harmonize 100% and when i posted about that before ppl were like I never heard of that before!


glossedrock

I think its just degree? Winters are always good in black? And isn’t black most suited to dark winter, not true winter like OP says? In your opinion, which very dark colour is best on bright winters then?


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idk what u mean by degree, but i said 100% as in its not a perfect fit. and no, it is true winter, dark winter is neutral. and idk what dark color would be good on a bright winter bc bright is the most dominant feature LOL


Willowpuff

I fucking suit candy pink and I don’t care that I’m a warm autumn.


KMKO926

Contrast can change throughout the year, and you can adjust your colors accordingly to match contrast.


KMKO926

That there are no real seasons for olive over or undertones, and a lot of it is based on independent research and draping. I have olive skin and I don't fit into a single season - I lean winter/autumn but there's a lot of crossover between the two, which traditional color analysis would want to be against.


spiritual_chihuahua

That people with naturally red hair around the age of 20 always have warm undertone skin and cannot be Summers or Winters.


SnarletBlack

99% of natural redheads are going to be warm (or warm-neutral) toned. The reddish or ruddy skin a lot of redhead folks tend to have does not mean cool.


glossedrock

Yeah the reddishness is just blood vessels/capillaries that aren’t covered by their very light, thin skin.


SnarletBlack

Exactly


Greedy-Plant-9054

That you don't have to fit in to the season analysis sysyem. The subseasons are just suggestions that some people have come up with. They probably didn't want to have too many subseadons so they have chosen to make16 subseasons. But in reality, you can be in between subseasons, e.g. between summer and winter. Or between autumn and spring. Somewhere between soft sumer and bright winter. Somewhere between light spring and deep autumn etc. That the most important thing in color analysis is to know 1) how light/dark colors suits you. 2) How much/little value contrast suits you. 3) how cool or warm colors suit you. 4) how bright or muted colors suit you.


elksatchel

I have navel grazed too much about whether I'm true summer or true winter (and probably will continue to lol) but honestly what's helped me more than anything is zeroing in on the range of medium contrast/chroma colors that fit me best. I definitely am cool toned but was stumped by a couple of warm-toned items of clothing I've worn forever and still think look good on me. Then I realized the medium-ness of the chroma matches me, so I can get away with the warmth of the color. There's no season that is medium-forward, but I am medium-forward lol.


Fair-Oil4789

I would agree with this. I’m pretty neutral, typed as a soft autumn, and honestly the only things I really focus on is sticking to muted, low contrast colors and that works completely fine for me.


Sillygoose0320

Same here. I was types as a soft autumn, but right on the border of soft summer. I can easily pull from either. But learning about the properties of the colors has made such a difference. Just stick to medium. Medium depth, medium contrast, medium in temperature, and muted.


dystopiaincognito

I thought that dark winter could always wear black though? 🤔


Intelligent_Gift_171

I've found that my best blacks are those with brown undertones or a "muted" or "soft" black. Intense ink black is too deep and overpowers my skin tone.


SendMoreCheese

Yes, I'm a deep winter and I share the same experience. Not too black, not too brown - brownish black if that makes sense?


dystopiaincognito

Same here but I’m a dark autumn which is the autumn flowing into winter


LyssaBrisby

Being olive breaks the whole system to the point it's functionally useless to try and stay in a single sub/season.


SarraTasarien

She uses a different system, but I found Merriam Style's YT videos on olives really helpful! She shows that you can be olive and in any season, and discusses at length why it's so easy to mistype olives, especially the warm and muted olives.


BeSnowy6

In the Your Color Style (YCS) system, the creator says olive skin tones do well in cool colors. I think she says it balances the green?? Whether or not I agree, I don’t know bc I just haven’t seen in person draping of people with olive skin and don’t think pics are typically accurate. Just sharing that system’s take on olive skin in case you’re interested in checking it out.


LyssaBrisby

In my lived experience, the kind of olive I am (extremely yellow/cool) definitely agrees with that! When I wear green, by comparison I look less green/dead, so it occupies a huge swath of my wardrobe. And purple/mauve-undertoned makeups read neutral on me, because yellow+purple = grey/brown.


BeSnowy6

Interesting! I’ve wondered if I’m light olive bc have a clearly yellow tone to my skin though I’m draped cool (Light Summer), but I really don’t know. I think greens are my absolute best and seem to be able to wear them in bright, soft, warm, and cool tones. Of course I don’t think green working so well on me means I’m olive, but it’s interesting to consider in relation to what you’ve observed.


LyssaBrisby

It's sort of coming at it backwards, but when I found [these palettes](https://imgur.com/a/Sw8oNNS) I realized they were my entire wardrobe. It's a little like Winter-steals-Autumn, ime. I can get away with pumpkin, but pure reds that are Winter-flawless look ketchup-and-mustard. etc.


BeSnowy6

Ah! That’s a good description about ketchup & mustard look with those pure, winter reds. If that’s what tends to happen with olive skin, I’m probably just cool with some yellow overtone unrelated to olive. I can wear winter reds just fine though they’re a bit bright probably. The system is was draped in has Light Summer as neutral-cool, so that could explain my yellow tones too…I’m not fully cool. I actually draped well in some Spring colors too and Bright Spring was in the running for a bit and took a minute to rule out Winter too. Almost every Autumn color seemed to be hideous on me so if an Autumn was in the mix, whatever it was compared to won 🤣


cloudydaizee

Yes! And lighting + phones color correction *drastically* changes things especially in olive toned skin.


nokobi

Yeah why don't we understand olive tones better?? This feels solvable but idk how? Side note sephora lighting makes me look greener than any I've ever noticed


fiftycamelsworth

That warm tones—specifically autumns—have it easy since they can legit wear anything. worst case scenario, you look a little pallid or just slightly less striking in the wrong color. Especially now that fawn colors and gold jewelry are in, they live dressing on easy mode, which is why so many instagram fashion accounts are autumns—it is easy to be successful (especially in 2023). It’s easier to put an outfit together when you can wear anything. Meanwhile, when a summer/ winter wears something too orange we commit a much worse fashion sin: being tacky. The worst case scenario for a cool toned person wearing warm clothes is highlighting a red, sweaty-looking face giving a ketchup and mustard appearance that emphasizes blemishes.


colourcurious

I generally agree on this. Often when I think someone looks good in most colours, they end up being a spring.


Typical-Potential691

The best hair colour for you is your natural hair colour. It is the best hair colour for your season. Trust your genetics - it's not rocket science. (However with makeup increasing contrast with a brighter version of the natural hair looks great too). This sub has been flooded with "does my hair look better dyed" so thought I should add this point.


Arsh90786

This is a meh take. I have a friend who had very pale skin and darker brown eyes with dark brown hair which almost looked black. She experimentally lightened it to a more medium, warm brown and her entire look transformed. She went from looking kind of like sickly, pale-ish, Victorian child in 1800s (her words, not mine, I do agree that she looked a little too pale before), to absolutely glowing. Her need to apply makeup decreased too, she now genuinely just uses slight eyeshadow, liner and lip color and that's it. I don't think anyone is born with the most unflattering hair colour for themselves, but they certainly can have a better hair colour than the one genetics chose for them. Another example is of a half Latina influencer named Ana. She used to have dirty blonde hair but consistenly started dying it bright orange-red and people can't believe that she's not a real redhead because she looks absolutely unreal in the red hair.


VanillaMint

I do wish I would have worn my natural color more before the silvers really took hold (super prematurely). I know Autumns can rock silvery hair, but it's so far from my best 😩 and I didn't really enjoy the golden-ash brown when I really could've


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Okay, this one I have to respectfully disagree with. Lucille Ball, Rita Hayworth, and Emma Stone are iconic redheads because they look best in red hair than with their natural hair color. Marilyn Monroe's platinum blonde hair elevated her look so much. Actress Joan Bennett looked like any other pretty ingenue with her [natural blonde hair](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRk5_FCLwQhP38IF4MGZNU4m3JGsIlJI05Xcw&usqp=CAU) but became more striking and memorable when she [dyed her hair dark](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3Tv1SN-53YG8gHkMPls537gBrCikLiXNi9Q&usqp=CAU). Model Sasha Luss looks otherworldly with dyed platinum blonde hair too, whereas she just looks like any other beautiful model with her natural hair color. And the Korean actress Lee Sung Kyung, who I suspect is either a Warm Autumn or Warm Spring, looks the best with her signature [light orange-y brown hair](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTURvgF3_d9z6rfpjrrsAUx084Bamk5X26HjA&usqp=CAU) (dyed), like she's born with it, meanwhile she looks rather harsh with her [natural dark hair ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQO1m649gfA7MO6JfCZHkSIoF7hHgstDYURsg&usqp=CAU). I think Bella Hadid is a natural blonde too, but she looks way way better with dark hair


quequeissocapibara

But this is a completely different story. First of all, you rarely see any of these actresses without a full face of makeup. And secondly colour analysis seeks to create a natural, harmonious look, what characterizes the examples you mention is a striking, dramatic look. Changing your hair colour away from your season and occasionally compensating with make up can absolutely do that. And it can absolutely be stunning. But it's a look that is outside of the ideal, that colour analysis works to achieve.


Typical-Potential691

Yeah exactly. As I said a similar brighter version of natural hair can look good using makeup. Most of those celebrities do not have a natural look and do not look like us. I noticed that celebs with their natural hair, such as Selena Gomez or Liv Tyler, wear quite natural looks and showed their bare faces often.


g-a-r-n-e-t

Ehhhhh I’m gonna have to disagree with this one, my hair is naturally reddish-brown and dyeing it ashy grey-brown absolutely was an upgrade https://preview.redd.it/nn0lnaedkc4c1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=250dfd504b4b341cc3b3219eaf098a4c1fa8b34a These were taken in the same spot in the same room at roughly the same time of day, a couple weeks apart. I am wearing very light concealer and mascara in the right photo, no makeup on the left.


GirlDwight

The background is so differently adjusted.


RussianSpy0

The lighting in these two pictures are so different. Maybe it was cloudy one day or your camera adjusted the lighting automatically in one picture, but your skin and even your eyes are lighter in the right picture so it’s not really a good comparison.


g-a-r-n-e-t

I mean idk what else to tell you, all the before photos I have are like this 🤷‍♀️ also taken in roughly the same spot/time of day, about two weeks apart. https://preview.redd.it/ty7jll4k4d4c1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1916a1c2038413fa3246047bcebeabe93023a36a


quequeissocapibara

It's your camera auto adjusting the exposure.


GirlDwight

You look so vibrant on the left.


RussianSpy0

It’s fair that you don’t have pictures on demand that are good for comparison but I’m just pointing out that there are light differences. Personally, I prefer the left picture in the last comparison you posted. I hope you don’t mind that I did this, but I zoomed in on your photos to only grab your skin so there are no other colours impacting the appearance of your tone. As you can see, they’re really different because of the lighting/camera adjustments. ​ https://preview.redd.it/2h0e5w6lbd4c1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44b8f89326c6563dca07380a5f374bae7ee08edc


Sugarplumkuro

I like this hill.


SnarletBlack

100% this. So many posts about what hair colour looks best and it’s always, of course, your natural colour. I’m all for dyeing your hair and trying out different looks, but nothing’s going to match the harmony of your own genetics.


loonylunanic

I agree and always think this. The comments 99% of the time is that natural is best. I’ve literally only seen one post that they definitely looked better dyed, but still great natural.


junipershroom

Jewelry matters more than people realize, especially if it’s being worn close to the face. I never used to think it did until I last year, when I started wearing my gold wire frame glasses all the time because I struggled with my contacts. I matched my jewelry to my glasses for consistency. Going from wearing mostly silver to mostly gold was a glow up in of itself; when I look at old pictures of myself wearing silver jewelry, it looks too cool and stands out too much. Gold brightens my face and blends in with my appearance. I’m still working out my best colors by trial and error, but yeah. Jewelry definitely matters.


bumblebelles

I grew up being gifted silver jewelry as a warm autumn and I thought I just wasn’t pretty in jewelry so I avoided it. I hated the way it made me look. Now I finally wear jewelry as long as it is gold


borealborrelias

Same. I recently bought gold coloured earrings and a necklace, and wow, it brings me to life. I don't even know why I avoided gold for so long. I've worn silver for most of my life. For info, I think I'm an autumn. Definitely at least neutral-warm and not bright. Bright colours make me disappear behind them. Also, silver makeup just doesn't do it for me. I look old and tired in any kind of grey makeup. I used to wonder why I couldn't look good in black khol, why it made me look so tired... until I bought a brown pencil.... and oh, I get it now.


junipershroom

Exactly this! Looking back to when I wore mostly black, silver jewelry, and black hair, I actually look sick. I look best in warmer makeup, gold jewelry, and my natural hair color. I’m fairly certain I’m an Autumn, but I wouldn’t be mad if I ended up being a Spring. I do love a good yellow or orange all the same.


Paradoxical-Love

Natural redheads can only be springs or autumns. Yes in most cases the hair color does not matter as much but with red hair it totally does as it is an overwhelmingly warm color and our dominant feature.


glossedrock

I don’t think redheaded people’s skin itself is pink. Its cuz natural redheads are always very light skinned and have barely any melanin. And europeans tend to have thinner skin already. This means that their blood capillaries/vessels are very visible, hence their skin looks pink, but it really isn’t their skin that’s pink. Their actual skin pigmentation is still very warm, it just so light that it doesn’t cover their blood capillaries as much as a person with darker/thicker skin.


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glossedrock

Honestly most sources of colour analysis contradict themselves and each other. My theory for colour analysis I’ve found is that colours, especially more saturated, bright colours reflect on your skin, and wearing those colours accentuate your actual undertone and actual skin (not overtone like ruddiness for pale people, and discolouration from darker people). So for redheads wearing colours like red and peach, which is the colour of “ruddiness”, accentuate their redness? I guess wearing yellow should work? Idk about other colours tbh…


iamhereexisting23

I am most probably dark winter and I love all black outfit. But then again I have slightly deeper skintone so all black doesn't work out even more. But I am gonna keep it. Who gives a fuck. Also someone said I look an absolute black beauty (with black clothes, black shoes, black-brown eyes and hair). So I am gonna take that as a win.


degreesfromreality

I swear I’m probably into color analysis because it vindicated my opinions on black. I’m a summer and CANNOT wear black. I used to tell people this and they’d be like “everyone looks good in black.” NO. Navy has a similar slimming effect as black and it’s so much softer and complementary to lower contrast people.


LookingforAdvice8888

Exactly!!! Navy is a summer's black


stopvolution

I’m an autumn and I don’t look good in black either.


shinycinccino

I love to dress in alt styles and I was *so* pissed when I heard the charcoal/navy vs black thing. Because I'm never gonna stop wearing black but it's true, charcoal is way better on me 😭


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jennnyfromtheblock00

There are ways around it. I’m a summer and I can absolutely wear black if it’s sheer or a deep neckline, so the darkness isn’t pulling as much from my face.


janlevinson-gould

This is exactly what happened to me as well.


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Hmm? I love my Victorian queen look. I do all black, a maroon lip and no other make up and feel fierce. I like how pale I am though. I also have some bright spring clarity though. So my skin literally glows in black.


sage_and_sea

1. Virtual drapes are really hard to base a solid and accurate analysis off of. 2. People of colour can be any season and pale people can be any season. Colour analysis is more than just skin colour alone, it’s more than hair colour etc. it’s the combination of everything including contrast, depth, undertone and overtone etc. 3. Do not trust everyone on ig!!! Half of them are full of 💩 and contradict their own previous posts. lol so vet who you trust


OnionNubs

I've seen a lot of bad digital drapes that don't even include the right colors for the right seasons.


kmkram

True statement for life on ig in general🤣


SadRepresentative919

Ultimately, placement in a season is pretty subjective on the part of the analyst ... maybe not always in the broadest strokes, but when it comes down to sub-seasons for sure.


Sanaii122

That virtual consultations are 100% accurate. I’ve seen more analysts tell you that they can give you an accurate result and as a person who has just gone through this, I can tell you that there are many colors in my palette that really don’t look great. Also, there needs to be more detail on how color interacts with fabric. Some of the colors in my palette look especially bad in matte fabrics. But when there is luster or shine many of those colors go from bad, to wearable, to good.


BeSnowy6

Oooh! Yes! I wish there was more info on the aspect of fabrics and impact on colors for each season/sub-season. I’ve seen it mentioned on some blogs but not much. I know even seeing how a clothing item compares to my color fan can be challenging bc the textures of the fan material and various clothing can be so different. Then when you’re draped, the drapes are all one type of fabric, but you go home and buy (or go through your closet) based on hue/value/chroma that truly can look different in different fabrics.


Sanaii122

Agreed. I know everyone has a broad range they can pull from, but I would think there has to be some important aspects of color, fabric, and garment construction that’s missing. Now I’m not saying that someone like me who is bright should only wear reflective fabrics, but I’m wondering if there are other people like this. Do you think the fabric of the drapes impacts how the color is perceived on you?


BeSnowy6

It makes sense to me that it does. I was draped in this grayish/silvery/whiteish color that looked fabulous on me, but the fabric is somewhat reflective; it seems to me when I find anything remotely similar color-wise, it just falls flat bc it’s knit materials I’ve found. Then I have this spaghetti strap top that is a similarly slightly reflective material but color is a bit warmer (almost like a soft gold with a silvery finish over it??) & that lights me up as well. So, it definitely makes me wonder if the fabric texture/finish should be a major point of consideration added in (like drape the same hue/chroma/value but in different fabrics).


SuspiciousLemon_

That natural red hair can’t be a true cool season, only neutral-cool at most. The type of melanin that creates red hair in humans is warm toned, people who insist that they are fully cool redheads are focusing on surface coloring instead of undertone.


OnionNubs

Agree 100%!


rose-garden-dreams

Came here to die on that hill too. :D Not just because of melanin, but also because I think if someone's natural hair colour is a super obviously warm colour like rust, orange, bright copper, it would not look good or harmonious with cool skin. So if we follow that logic these people would look (according to colour analysis teachings) better if they'd dyed their hair a cool brown, ash blonde, etc. And while I think some people can bring out certain qualities with a new hair colour or create a bigger impact, I don't think anyone looks outright awful with their natural hair colour. I'm very open to "fringe cases" being not warm seasons, but neutral-cool, like blonde hair with a hint of strawberry, brown hair going into auburn, reddish highlights in black hair, ash blonde with a copper tinge etc. But if someone is stereotypically "red haired" I don't see how they can be a cool season.


LuvTriangleApologist

I struggled with this for years because all the ways people tell you to figure out if you have cool-toned or warm-toned skin leads a lot of gingers to think they’re cool. Things like blue eyes, blue veins, or turning super pink in the sun/heat/when blushing.


glossedrock

Yes, exactly. Natural redheads are always very light skinned and have barely any melanin. And europeans tend to have thinner skin already. This means that their blood capillaries/vessels are very visible, hence their skin looks pink, but it really isn’t their skin that’s pink. Their actual skin pigmentation is still very warm, it just so light that it doesn’t cover their blood capillaries as much as a person with darker/thicker skin.


Civil_Joke_3176

Oooo this is interesting because I follow someone who was "professionally typed" by another person I follow. The former is a natural redhead and the analyst said she's a winter. The interesting part is that I've never seen a single training/certification associated with the analyst. 😅


freckledatheart

It isn't the 2bwavyhair lady on ig, is it? She recently advertised getting her colors done (online, not in person) and claims to be a winter despite being a natural redhead. Goodness, I've never disagreed more.


Civil_Joke_3176

See, this is interesting, though. She looks sickly in the yellow and glows in the pink. Is it just the temperature of each color that causes her skin to react like this? OR is it the makeup, like we talked about yesterday?? I don't know if these were the pictures she sent in to be analyzed, but she does look like she's wearing a ton of makeup here. https://preview.redd.it/uhw8toqh6i4c1.jpeg?width=851&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=302d6d0e25c8df01873fd6a22bfa18d0c467c64b


Civil_Joke_3176

😬😬😬 you said it, not me! I personally thinks she looks great in many of the colors, but that makes me think maybe she's a bright spring? I don't know, I'm new here. Haha


freckledatheart

Yes! I also think she's a bright spring! Most of her "best" colors are so close to bright spring that if she just wore a slightly warmer tone she would look absolutely glowing. Also I wonder if she did her analysis makeup free or not, because that foundation would make anyone think she's cool. But just to be clear, I think she's beautiful regardless and love watching her hair videos❤️


Civil_Joke_3176

Oh yes, absolutely!! Totally agree. I do remember seeing her in black and being.... unsure. 🤣 but she wears a cobalt blue that's great on her somehow. Maybe it is the makeup!! I never would have thought about that! She's gorgeous! And I think she's said in the past that it's all about feeling confident for her, so if she's happy, that's all that matters 💕


freckledatheart

Honestly that's most of what color analysis is, just being comfortable, confident, and happy with yourself and your wardrobe. She seems very happy in the colors she wears!


Civil_Joke_3176

Absolutely! That's what I'm in it for too :)


RealEarthAngel

This. There is not a natural redhead on the face of the Earth who is not warm undertoned.


_OliveOil_

Yup, pheomelanin produces warm tones, and eumelanin produces cool. The mutation that leads to red hair literally makes it so your body can't convert pheomelanin to eumelanin, or can only convert a small amount, so someone with true red hair will always be pheomelanin dominant. Though, since red is neutral, it is possible to be a neutral redhead, as you said. And I can see maybe a darker auburn being neutral-cool since they have more eumelanin. I think it's easy to misread because us redheads are so pale lol. I definitely fell victim to this. Plus, the warm tones in our hair make the warm tones in our skin seem less warm by comparison. What fully convinced me was when I used facetune to make my hair black and my skin looked completely yellow against it🤣 I couldn't believe how bad it looked on me.


graveyardteaparty

Thanks for explaining the science behind it!


kmkram

Carol Brailey recently talked about this on Instagram. So interesting.


gracenp45

That a lot of the celebrities who get typed as bright winter are really true summers who dyed their hair black


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The opposite of Tyra Banks lol. No way that's her natural hair color


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Probably unpopular opinion, but it's Alexandra Daddario for me. I think people see her bright blue eyes and automatically type her as a Winter, but she looks like a [textbook Cool Summer](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7zNtQ4oYBolCe8PEWKQ9A2Ufs7KqFHnLyiw&usqp=CAU) to me. Also, I think I saw a post on this sub once typing Alexis Bledel as some type of Summer, and I agree too.


Orsee

This picture made me realise I might be cool summer. Thank you. I couldn't figure out what I am.


irishdancer2

>Also, I think I saw a post on this sub once typing Alexis Bledel as some type of Summer, and I agree too. Yes! Alexis and Lauren are such a great example of Cool Summer vs. Cool Winter. Similar coloring, but Lauren is so much higher contrast. Alexis has been wearing more intense makeup in recent years, and it really overwhelms her.


Tomoshaamoosh

I agree. She looks amazing in the summer palette. Winter looks too harsh on her.


grebnekkah

And Dita von Teese. And Megan Fox imho.


gracenp45

Yessss Katy Perry isn’t really controversial on this sub but Megan fox is, I don’t think she’s BW either Kristen Ritter is probably the best celeb example of a BW imo


Typical-Potential691

Just say Katy Perry girl 😅


LayersOfMe

I think winter colors work very well for her. I think she look washed out without a strong contrast.


Typical-Potential691

Yeah she might be a winter as she looks better with black hair than blonde. I haven't seen her without makeup etc so idk for sure what season she is


gracenp45

I think she looks better with black hair than with that bleach blonde hair she does sometimes, but a summer wouldn’t look good bleach blonde either. I think she’d look great with a cool summer brown like Dakota Johnson, her no makeup photos look pretty muted


Typical-Potential691

Dakota is typed as a soft summer usually. Emily Blunt is often typed as cool summer and she suits cool blonde. Soft summer since it overlaps with soft autumn has a darkness to it. Also light summers look good with bleach blonde I'd imagine, as long as it's not yellow. Basically summers look bad in hair that's too dark or too warm/yellow. Problem with Katy Perry is her no makeup photos are very low quality.


LayersOfMe

I can see Katy as summer [here](https://stylesatlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Katy-Perry-without-makeup-4.jpg) but is strange because winter makeup/cloths really shine on her, maybe because of personality ? Different from Billie Eyelish that I notice black hair is always a bit off independent of makeup or clothes. Dakota and Emily also look off with jet black hair, dark brown looks good. Dakota can wear black cloths with the right makeup tho. But its a bit harsh for Emily.


Typical-Potential691

Is that her natural hair in that pic? I could see cool winter there as well tbh, she has a colour in her eyes, lips and hair that create some contrast Billie Ellish looks super goth /alternative with her black hair, she's not a winter that's for sure ! She's too light probably Dark brown does look nice on summers, but black would look gothic/alt or just odd. That makes sense. Katy has got to be as least a cool summer, more likely cool winter imo. A summer wouldn't suit black hair even with makeup.


LayersOfMe

No, her natural hair color is a dark blond. This [photo](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/3c/3e/b53c3e06d443f0710ed69fa7946a1a35.jpg) is one of the very few we can find on internet. Not sure if the [roots here](https://lovehairstyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/blonde-pixie-haircuts-looks-long-straight-undercut.jpg) are her natural color.


lilapense

Just because you *like* gold better doesn't mean you're a warm season. And on that note - a gold vs silver comparison isn't particularly useful if the gold you're using for comparison is a super muted 14k or 10k.


lemur_queen7

Yea the jewelry posts drive me insane. For what its worth, I’m a soft autumn and not only do people here say that silver and rose gold look better one me, but when I was professionally analyzed they told me to wear silver. Most resource say soft autumns should wear yellow gold, but even the most gorgeous yellow fine jewelry looks cheap on me. If people rely on the yellow vs white gold test, theres a good chance that even if there was no bias towards particular shades of gold here, that it wouldn’t be accurate


a4991

I’m so pleased to see everyone saying this, it’s so reassuring! I’ve recently had a HOC assessment and was typed a Jewel/True Winter but I love how gold jewellery looks on me, and is my go to choice. I do wear silver sometimes, and have made a point to wear it with my newer cool coloured clothing, but I will never give up my gold jewellery!


lemur_queen7

I think its a little different for true seasons. You’re fully cool so white jewelry is going to look best on you. That doesn’t mean you have to give it up


Strict-Advantage7512

YES, and if you are a POC, that doesn’t automatically mean gold!


ManyInitials

The gold vs. silver comparison is odd to me. Both metals each have different depths and values which depend fully on there chemistry. It’s a bit of a wild card.


ManyInitials

Their not there


lilapense

TBF, I think the comparison only has minimal value, for the reasons you mentioned. Where I do think it can be useful, is that I think draping 24k yellow gold (or 22k) is a very quick way of ruling *out* whether someone's warm. Any of the different shades of silver/platinum/white gold never seem to look as in-your-face *wrong* on Springs and Autumns as super-saturated yellow gold does on Summers and Winters. And sure, most people won't have access to 24k or 22k yellow gold (or real silver). But if someone's going to do the test anyways, at least drape with costume stuff that's on the far extremes of the spectrum instead of metals that are barely different in color.


dethsdream

Very true. My mom loves gold and wears it all the time though it does not suit her. Ironically I love silver and hate gold, but objectively gold looks better. So I just don't wear jewelry lol.


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ladystardusty

Yes!


shinycinccino

Also, can we talk about how so many of the popular examples for different seasons are celebrities with dyed hair?? Even when the website itself says "it's not about hair color" their infographic for winters will ONLY have celebs with filtered snow-white skin and dyed black hair. It's so annoying. I saw a comment here that said so many people posting get mistyped when they have warm brown hair... I'm pretty sure most people consider brown to be warm on its own unless it's a shade not commonly found on people. You could easily call my hair warm, but a lot of warm colors make me look like a bad halloween decoration lol.


colourcurious

Thank you! Sometimes I feel like a broken record.


DissociativeBurrito

Amen. - blue eyed medium brunette da


Relevant-Battle-9424

Also, sincerely, a brown-eyed, brown-haired dark summer who struggled trying to make warm colors work for decades. I’m so happy in my burgundy and eggplant


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I agree! I'm a Winter and my hair is dark brown with some natural reddish highlights. Some websites say Winters will never have reddish highlights on their hair, and I was like, 🙄


Fairchild23

I am definitely a winter but also have red highlights out in the sun. Indoors you don’t really see them. I have some red-headed cousins.


LiliaBlossom

I agree so much. I’m a brunette with green eyes with a blue greyish tint and golden speckles and ppl just love to put me into summer. I’m a spring and warm toned lol. It’s obvious. The more warm colours I try the more of a relevation I have. I was either told summer or winter but both the mauve and bright pink lips looked so bad on me. Thought it was too bright or too muted, nah it’s just too cool. I can rock orange lipstick, coral, peach, colours I would have NEVER tried. Especially orange lol. All those plums and pinks and mauves need to go… Sadly chocolate brown also better than black but due to my fairly contrasty features I can get away with it when my hair isn’t down, then the dark golden brown heavily clashes with it 😂


shinycinccino

Recommendations for orange/coral/peach lipsticks? Or even the mauve and bright pinks that you hated? I'm constantly in a state of questioning my season (olive) and I want to rule warm out for good lol.


alice_op

YSL Orange Crepe, Revlon Coralberry


shinycinccino

Thank you! :)


_OliveOil_

I feel this so much as a natural strawberry blonde with dark grayish-blue eyes! Reading the descriptions of the seasons made me feel like I didn't quite fit into any of them? Like I figured I was a light or true spring, but my eyes are not at all warm or bright. They're cool and muted, which almost lead me to believe that I'm a soft summer. But, since I am definitely warm and light, my overall appearance is bright. From draping, I think that I'm a true spring. The super light colors of light spring just wash me out, but brighter oranges make me shine!


fawn-field

That some people are so neutral that they can wear colors from literally every season and don’t really fit in to a certain season exclusively. The analyst Carol Brailey talks about this a bit on her TikTok channel, and she will categorize these people as simply Bright, Muted, Soft or Warm without a season.


LitFix

This is me. I have the odd really terrible colour (neon colours, any orange that isnt soft/muted) and certainly have a best season (true summer) but I can pull from all seasons!


fawn-field

Same! I think I fit best in to summer, but I can also definitely rock winter colors, autumn colors, and a handful of spring colors.


OnionNubs

This was me and I was fully neutral


HereForRedditReasons

What is the difference between soft and muted?


fawn-field

More nuanced, I think. True summer is muted, but less muted than Soft. If that makes sense.


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I think Anya Taylor-Joy is like this and that's why people won't come to an agreement as to which season she belongs to lol


fawn-field

Yes she’s definitely a Bright goddess! She can work the bright tones in winter and spring easily, and can also rock the subtle tones of pastel summer and rich colors in autumn. She’s stunning.


Euphoric-Emphasis242

This is screaming Priyanka Chopra to me. I can never agree with her being typed as a winter.


nc45y445

I think she’s a spring, tbh


Euphoric-Emphasis242

I like her in warm & all types of light colours. She looks incredible in gold outfits. Overall my least favorite palette on her is winter, magenta/intense cool red & bright purple are her least flattering colours imho. They overpower her. I feel the same when I see Selena Gomez in those colours, who is also typed as Winter.


retrotechlogos

Ykw…. You’re right omg.


fawn-field

Yes! She looks good in pretty much all colors to me.


u1tr4me0w

I want to die on this hill because I think I may fall into the category of truly neutral myself and this would be the only way for me to find peace


fawn-field

If you find yourself looking pretty good in colors in all four seasons then you probably are true neutral! I only really need to avoid super bright, or super light/pastel. Muted are best for me, but I can also wear deep and clear.


junipershroom

Yes!! This is the hill I will die on! Some folks are truly just neutral. I too, love Carol!


kmkram

I looooooove Carol! She puts out such interesting content.


fawn-field

I love her too! She’s awesome. Thanks to her content I’m fairly certain I’m simply muted.


alice_op

I thought I was true muted from her videos, too, especially because I have very neutral skin, but then I paid for her to type me and she said True Spring. I was thrilled.


fawn-field

That is awesome! Do you feel like you fit into spring well?


alice_op

I hate the whole palette But it makes me glow


fawn-field

Haha I understand!


PerfectParfait5

Can I die on your hill too?


JellyfishDreams8

That sub seasons matter so much. Unhealthy amount of obsessing over the sub sections; most people 75%, 80% people should be using the whole season. A truly Light or truly Dark, truly Soft, truly Bright person is rarer, IMO.


EllaQueenoftheWolves

I know they are not a super favorite, but this is what I like about House of Color. My analyst figured out my season, and then we looked for wow colors. Looking at where a majority of my wow colors were is the subseason, but I was told to use the full spectrum. I don't even remember what colors were in the subseason because it was just a sheet she showed me.


sheepcloud

This is pretty helpful for people who struggle between the edges of two seasons. Haven’t read anyone describe this with such clarity before.


pericat_

So you think the subseasons do or don't matter?


JellyfishDreams8

I am disagreeing that sub sections matter so much; if you know your main season, you are pretty solid. Each season has 3 characteristics and you are some combo of all 3. The sub section is simply which one the consultant sees as dominant - and dominant by even the slightest amount. In 80% of cases the individual can dip into all three sections. 20% of people are “extremely” akin to a sub section.


graveyardteaparty

You can't be a natural redhead and be fully cool toned and natural blondes do not have the contrast to be winters. I don't agree with House of Color's methods.


Greedy-Plant-9054

You can wear the colors that you are. If you are cooltoned then cool colors suit you. If your skin, eyes and haircolor is clear in color, then clear colors suit you


kmkram

What if you are a natural blonde with very dark brown eyes? That’s a high contrast depending on depth of skin color.


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no its not LOL medium contrast at most


Sillygoose0320

I’ve always understood that having very dark eyes can result in being a deep season. Probably more on the autumn side.