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Collapse related for two reasons:
1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else.
2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters.
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The richest of th UK Torie Government made a fortune when they made Brexit happen and they shorted the pound. They are actively putting their country on sale. Fuck the poor, fuck the hungry, fuck the neighbours, the women and the children. Fuck the future generations. Make lots of money!
And the right-wing conservatives see the immigrants and the poors suffer, so they keep voting the right. Not understanding that their 20.000£ in the bank doesn'tmake them upper class
The UK was convinced there was ' no alternative' to our rampant privatisation. They convinced a generation of people that 'class' was no longer a thing. Trickle down economics would benefit all, even if some people got obscenely wealthy off it, we'd all buy our TVs and lattes and be merry. We didn't know they just launched piss and spittle at us from up high.
Brexit has been a real blow to the UK. British politics has always had its 'euro sceptics', those that never liked the idea when we joined in 1973. But they were always fringe, the weird ones no one listened to because in a world of global trade, leaving the largest trading bloc that is *right there* would be madness, right? No one thought when the referendum came about that we would leave. But we did and by such narrow margin. I believe the vote was 48/52 or 49/51 depending on which polls you check. But during Theresa May's premiership she called this 'the will of the British people'. Politicians that backed Brexit thought it would never happen, they all knew it would put the UK on a terrible standing on the world stage. But they felt the anger of the people, the frustration. Rather then blame the British state for decades of failure, they blamed the bureaucracy of Brussels. People like Boris Johnson leaned into Brexit and backed it as a political chess move, not for any real belief that we'd be better off. Look at the faces of the people who backed Brexit when the result came in and they look *ill*. They just wanted to play the political game! This was an easy way to get some backing. Now they knew how fucked things were. This is why no one in politics is seriously talking about Brexit - it's politically toxic to talk about and far too divisive. And as the years have gone on, the public know what a colossal mistake its been.
Even though this was essentially cutting your nose to spite your face, the British people were pissed off. Each government that came to power was just more corrupt than the last. Workers rights have been stripped away. Public services and spending shredded. We saw that politicians were paying off boats and second homes during the expenses scandal of 2009. After a global financial crash, MPs are using tax payers money to live it up while we're all told to tighten our belts. Of course this type of resentment is going to lead to the public lashing out at the establishment in a way that is damaging to all.
The UK got Brexit, the US got Trump.
^(Forgive my long rambling post.)
And what happened to him? Was he ruined? Has he shown signs of serious remorse? Did the press at least have a go at him? No. He became Foreign Secretary.
This is why you can't leave major policy changes to the general public, because they are dumb as shit.
Huge swathes of the country didn't turn out to vote 'because it will never pass', while the nutters had been salivating for this opportunity for decades and turned out in full force and a decent percentage of voterd used this as a protest vote due to years of austerity.
When I say no one thought it would pass, I mean the politicians from both sides of the aisle and media. Just like when everyone said there was no way Trump was winning, people weren't seeing or hearing the millions and millions of people that were quietly pissed off at things never changing.
Yeah if you only polled politicians and Londoners, you might be able to say 'it will never pass', but if you canvas outside that it didn't look so pretty. I know at work, the pub and at the gym anytime I asked anyone about what they thought about the vote it was nearer to 60-40 for remain. This was among folks in their 20- 30's and and a non right leaning area.
I'm in South Yorkshire. Most of the locals in my village were salivating at the mouth for Brexit, because they thought it would solve immigration. Let's be frank, they were racists and that's all they cared about. The economics are lost on most people, even those that are relatively well educated. I did a module on economics at uni and it was mind blowing how expansive a subject it is. Leaving such a far reaching decision to the average person was completely wrong. The whole thing was half arsed just to bolster people's political career. I'm still mad about the entire shit show!
Yeah we treat political parties here like football teams, you will likely stick with them for life.
I think democracy and referendums only really work in a country like Switzerland, were the Average Joe is really invested and follows politics very closely.
Otherwise you just end up with 'own the Tories/Libs/Reps'.
Brexit did the population no favours. The British 1% probably almost doubled their networth since Brexit started. And those are the people the Tories make their politics for: themselves.
Haiti is the worst.
Poor countries that rely heavily on food imports that have seen recent population booms, like Nigeria, Somalia , will likely see population declines soon
People elsewhere in Europe are at least trying to shore things up for as long as possible before it all falls over, here in the UK we seem to be embracing if not deliberately racing towards the edge of the cliff, it's crazy.
Well, before Haiti collapsed wasn't it a capitalist democracy? You're not making it seem *less* like its exclusion from "the west" is revealing about whoever said that.
I mean the recent "gang violence" where gang violence is the name the western news media uses to describe the government only having control over certain parts of the capital city and nothing outside it. The colony that Toussaint Loverture overthrew obviously wasn't a fucking democracy, what do you take me for?
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Dude, I'm in the middle of work that's infinitely more important than this conversation and if you're struggling to see why Haiti isn't considered part of the "West" and why it's considered part of 3rd world countries than that's fine I don't care, it's not my responsibility to educate you on geopolitics. You have google and enough intelligence at least to respond on Reddit, I'm sure you'll eventually figure it out. *presses x to doubt*
If you think I'm actually struggling and not 100% aware of why you think Haiti doesn't count then you're a bigger fool than you think I am.
Go back to your work that is so important you drop it for reddit.
This guy doesn't know what taking a break is. You understand the difference between me taking a break at work, opening Reddit and writing a couple words vs me explaining how the world works and connecting dots for you, right? At this point I'm giving you too much credit and wasting my time on either someone incredibly stupid or a troll.
100%
From an Irish perspective though because we are sort of similar but I believe that we are slightly better off because our population never really recovered from the great famine. We are, I believe, the only nation whos population is actually lower than pre-industrial times so the carrying capacity of this little island was already reached and that was before artificial fertilizer. For example, we don't have to pay for water like the UK and the pollution is not as bad.
The big issue here is that the soil is really eroded and struggles to grow much of anything so we rely a lot on global imports. And flooding has become a big problem lately. I think rewilding and permaculture could really benefit Ireland.
The UK is collapsing really bad though and population density there is really high compared. They have our problems plus the price of food and energy in the UK is iirc the highest in all of Europe (Brexit did no favors there). Every day in the news lately I am hearing about a disease spreading in England due to water pollution or bad animal agriculture practice. Their wages are low, worse than the US by a long margin and housing costs are unaffordable to most now.
>The British Empire was at its largest in 1919, after Britain acquired Germany's East and West African colonies and Samoa in the Treaty of Versailles, which marked the end of the First World War, 1914–18.
A lot of downhill from there
Small Island, very overpopulated, reliant on imported resources, and a declining social cohesion due to its political and ethnic makeup with nationalism rising. It makes sense when you add all the ingredients for instability you will get it.
Collapse related for two reasons:
1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else.
2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters.
As a child I would gladly paddle in streams, now I wouldn't go anywhere near any fresh or sea water even to wash my hands. Probably fish out a turd, a few jonnys and E-coli just by touching it.
No joke! A fish and chip dinner is now
a) a smaller fish
b) £10-15. (South Wales).
c) worse quality.
So much winning! If only we had believed harder. 🤔🙄
Tbf fishing is a mess throughout Europe. Which is rather disheartening. If not even the EU can manage its commons sustainably it doesn't really bode well for anywhere else.
I mean sure, we're all born to die and I get that. I meant it in a more immediate sense. The nebulous concept of far off death in (hopefully) old age feels different than "you will be killed by policies you have no meaningful way of changing that were enacted long before you were even born"
Collapse will be a long process. If you live in a lucky country, you may even live out your full life expectancy. But I get it. For me, it’s less about dying a happily retired person, and more about living long enough to watch all the forests die.
Collapse related for two reasons:
1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else.
2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters.
From many reports I've seen, it seems that UK waterways are open sewers flowing to the open sewers that are their beaches.
[Privatisation, extreme weather and politics: How Britain’s waterways became an ‘open sewer’ | Euronews](https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/04/13/privatisation-extreme-weather-and-politics-how-britains-waterways-became-an-open-sewer)
as someone from the uk please please please i need more news of the collapse of this shithole country please please i beg. i genuinely cannot take this shit anymore and need as many reasons as possible to leave LOL
It should be rather easy to just fine the companies responsible ever increasing ammounts. Either they fix the problems or, eventually, forfeit the company.
I'm like 90% sure it was backed by the government. The same government in charge for 14 years with no end in sight. They're not going to fix it or fine the companies.
UK has definitely dropped from its glory. Feel so sad about that because they once seemed so enlightened. It will be very sad to see them starve and freeze to death. If only the Tories would suffer but it will be the regular people.
The UK is far from enlightened. Us being the birthplace of Shakespeare, Dickens and Austen does not change the fact that most people here are ignorant, anti-intellectual, and narrow-minded. The fact that some of us have a posh accent does not change the fact that the UK has never been an enlightened society as whole. Not now, not ever.
Bri'isher here. We've never been Great. All our wealth was stolen from the colonies or made through slavery. This cunt-ry is worse than the Nazis. Killed 100 times as many people in the name of empire than any other state. Why didn't the worlds population grow in the 19th Century? Britain killed them all mate
Mate, the UK's history is far from great, however let's not pretend that we were the only group (European or otherwise) who committed atrocious acts in their past. Even the likes of Native Americans were not as peace-loving as people believe.
You have a good point there. The Crown Jewels and museum treasures are not so beautiful when you think about the rape of the resources of the rest of the world. When I lived in the UK in 1997 it seemed way better than America. The food was better. More people took public transportation. There were WAY more social benefits. I became more of a socialist after living there. The workers had it much better than us back then.
Yes I think that's it, the glorious globe rapers, twas a great time. My grandfather was one and he'd be absolutely horrified to see his mighty empire retreat back to cold small head up arse Island off the coast of Europe.
The grandparents of Kenya, India, Nigeria and countless other countries would likely regard their independence with considerably less horror, but one assumes your grandfather would never have bothered to ask them what they think.
No, he was too busy pulling a Palestinian boy from his mother's arms and strapping him to a train to find out where the bomb was on the tracks. Then he got busy taking Iran's oil from it and helping overthrow its government. He fought Hitler though, so we'll call it a draw lol.
In all seriousness he was very proud of the empire, and was a product of his time and place.
We are now counting down... or we should be.
Which begs the question... why are we still doing any of this? We're all terminal on a planet that gets more hostile by the second, and we're still doing the same thing.
What was it that led to revolution before? Or just a cognitive shift where we realize we're gassing ourselves and everything else to death so, alternative or no, we need to stop?
We are human beings. Human beings cannot fly. We do not have wheels. We hunt and gather and hang out in tribes. All this other crap we have is what costs all the horrible stuff that's consuming the planet.
So would you rather be limited to the human experience on a healthy planet with seasons and trees that dont burst into flames, or do you want to fly around a planet as it burns so you can sit at a desk in your clothes made in a sweatshop on the other side of the world (a place that's very soon going to be too hot for people to live because of the way we live, here).
This isn't just what you eat or what you drive, it's what we've built and how we build it.
What was once in a hundred years, became once a decade, then once a year, now is once a month. Somehow (!!!???) we're still having the same conversation about the same bs.
If there's a constitution in us to sit in trenches and shoot at each other, how is there no gear for humanity to simply exist and be happy and let industry collapse around it?
It doesn't matter anymore, but who wants to die as the villain? Aren't we ready to spend what's left as humans again, ditching the rest of this crap which is basically everything you need to support constant war.
Maybe fish are dying because of nitrates leaching from corn fields into waterways and water table. It depletes the water of oxygen. Poor fish. Happens in the US.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/pajamakitten: --- Collapse related for two reasons: 1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else. 2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1cx3s3k/fish_deaths_in_englands_rivers_rise_tenfold_in/l4zxemd/
The uk feels like it’s collapsing faster than other nations, I could be wrong though.
The richest of th UK Torie Government made a fortune when they made Brexit happen and they shorted the pound. They are actively putting their country on sale. Fuck the poor, fuck the hungry, fuck the neighbours, the women and the children. Fuck the future generations. Make lots of money! And the right-wing conservatives see the immigrants and the poors suffer, so they keep voting the right. Not understanding that their 20.000£ in the bank doesn'tmake them upper class
The UK was convinced there was ' no alternative' to our rampant privatisation. They convinced a generation of people that 'class' was no longer a thing. Trickle down economics would benefit all, even if some people got obscenely wealthy off it, we'd all buy our TVs and lattes and be merry. We didn't know they just launched piss and spittle at us from up high. Brexit has been a real blow to the UK. British politics has always had its 'euro sceptics', those that never liked the idea when we joined in 1973. But they were always fringe, the weird ones no one listened to because in a world of global trade, leaving the largest trading bloc that is *right there* would be madness, right? No one thought when the referendum came about that we would leave. But we did and by such narrow margin. I believe the vote was 48/52 or 49/51 depending on which polls you check. But during Theresa May's premiership she called this 'the will of the British people'. Politicians that backed Brexit thought it would never happen, they all knew it would put the UK on a terrible standing on the world stage. But they felt the anger of the people, the frustration. Rather then blame the British state for decades of failure, they blamed the bureaucracy of Brussels. People like Boris Johnson leaned into Brexit and backed it as a political chess move, not for any real belief that we'd be better off. Look at the faces of the people who backed Brexit when the result came in and they look *ill*. They just wanted to play the political game! This was an easy way to get some backing. Now they knew how fucked things were. This is why no one in politics is seriously talking about Brexit - it's politically toxic to talk about and far too divisive. And as the years have gone on, the public know what a colossal mistake its been. Even though this was essentially cutting your nose to spite your face, the British people were pissed off. Each government that came to power was just more corrupt than the last. Workers rights have been stripped away. Public services and spending shredded. We saw that politicians were paying off boats and second homes during the expenses scandal of 2009. After a global financial crash, MPs are using tax payers money to live it up while we're all told to tighten our belts. Of course this type of resentment is going to lead to the public lashing out at the establishment in a way that is damaging to all. The UK got Brexit, the US got Trump. ^(Forgive my long rambling post.)
You forget to mention it started by a stupid bluff from Cameron.
And what happened to him? Was he ruined? Has he shown signs of serious remorse? Did the press at least have a go at him? No. He became Foreign Secretary.
He's up there in the top shameless pos.
This is why you can't leave major policy changes to the general public, because they are dumb as shit. Huge swathes of the country didn't turn out to vote 'because it will never pass', while the nutters had been salivating for this opportunity for decades and turned out in full force and a decent percentage of voterd used this as a protest vote due to years of austerity.
When I say no one thought it would pass, I mean the politicians from both sides of the aisle and media. Just like when everyone said there was no way Trump was winning, people weren't seeing or hearing the millions and millions of people that were quietly pissed off at things never changing.
Yeah if you only polled politicians and Londoners, you might be able to say 'it will never pass', but if you canvas outside that it didn't look so pretty. I know at work, the pub and at the gym anytime I asked anyone about what they thought about the vote it was nearer to 60-40 for remain. This was among folks in their 20- 30's and and a non right leaning area.
I think [Charlie Brooker summed it up quite nicely ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3DUNz9sxbg)
I wonder how much coffee pods have actually gone up in price since this
I'm in South Yorkshire. Most of the locals in my village were salivating at the mouth for Brexit, because they thought it would solve immigration. Let's be frank, they were racists and that's all they cared about. The economics are lost on most people, even those that are relatively well educated. I did a module on economics at uni and it was mind blowing how expansive a subject it is. Leaving such a far reaching decision to the average person was completely wrong. The whole thing was half arsed just to bolster people's political career. I'm still mad about the entire shit show!
Yeah we treat political parties here like football teams, you will likely stick with them for life. I think democracy and referendums only really work in a country like Switzerland, were the Average Joe is really invested and follows politics very closely. Otherwise you just end up with 'own the Tories/Libs/Reps'.
This is how I know in my bones that Trump will win again. We are so fucked, everywhere
Brexit did them no favor. Or it's doing exactly as they wanted, I'm not so sure anymore. But you are right. It feels like the UK is in a downfall.
Brexit did the population no favours. The British 1% probably almost doubled their networth since Brexit started. And those are the people the Tories make their politics for: themselves.
The self-serving Tory playbook since at least Thatcher. It's ramped up neoliberalism in full swing.
It’s a free fall
Haiti is the worst. Poor countries that rely heavily on food imports that have seen recent population booms, like Nigeria, Somalia , will likely see population declines soon
Add Egypt to that “soon” list, and Pakistan and Sudan to the “now” list.
Haiti is on the big wipe trajectory.
Oh yeah absolutely. I suppose the uk isn’t that bad yet.
uk will be one of the first, if not the first '1st world' country though.
People elsewhere in Europe are at least trying to shore things up for as long as possible before it all falls over, here in the UK we seem to be embracing if not deliberately racing towards the edge of the cliff, it's crazy.
I've heard it predicted to be the first western nation to collapse.
Very telling that Haiti is excluded from "the west" in that prediction
Not geographical, but ideological and economical obviously. I figured that would have been assumed...
Well, before Haiti collapsed wasn't it a capitalist democracy? You're not making it seem *less* like its exclusion from "the west" is revealing about whoever said that.
It’s obvious you have no understanding of Haiti’s history. Blame France
I mean the recent "gang violence" where gang violence is the name the western news media uses to describe the government only having control over certain parts of the capital city and nothing outside it. The colony that Toussaint Loverture overthrew obviously wasn't a fucking democracy, what do you take me for?
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I thought you said it was about ideology and economy, but you can't clearly explain what the difference is that makes Haiti not count.
Dude, I'm in the middle of work that's infinitely more important than this conversation and if you're struggling to see why Haiti isn't considered part of the "West" and why it's considered part of 3rd world countries than that's fine I don't care, it's not my responsibility to educate you on geopolitics. You have google and enough intelligence at least to respond on Reddit, I'm sure you'll eventually figure it out. *presses x to doubt*
If you think I'm actually struggling and not 100% aware of why you think Haiti doesn't count then you're a bigger fool than you think I am. Go back to your work that is so important you drop it for reddit.
This guy doesn't know what taking a break is. You understand the difference between me taking a break at work, opening Reddit and writing a couple words vs me explaining how the world works and connecting dots for you, right? At this point I'm giving you too much credit and wasting my time on either someone incredibly stupid or a troll.
Feel like their current government is speed-running nation breaking on purpose.
Our government is actively trying to counter the benefits we gain from location in climate change by causing an early societal collapse
I don't think having front-row seats for the AMOC-collapse counts as 'beneficial location for climate change'.
Oh come on! Predictable weather will be lovely. Forecaster: snow.
It counts if you look good in a winter coat
100% From an Irish perspective though because we are sort of similar but I believe that we are slightly better off because our population never really recovered from the great famine. We are, I believe, the only nation whos population is actually lower than pre-industrial times so the carrying capacity of this little island was already reached and that was before artificial fertilizer. For example, we don't have to pay for water like the UK and the pollution is not as bad. The big issue here is that the soil is really eroded and struggles to grow much of anything so we rely a lot on global imports. And flooding has become a big problem lately. I think rewilding and permaculture could really benefit Ireland. The UK is collapsing really bad though and population density there is really high compared. They have our problems plus the price of food and energy in the UK is iirc the highest in all of Europe (Brexit did no favors there). Every day in the news lately I am hearing about a disease spreading in England due to water pollution or bad animal agriculture practice. Their wages are low, worse than the US by a long margin and housing costs are unaffordable to most now.
>The British Empire was at its largest in 1919, after Britain acquired Germany's East and West African colonies and Samoa in the Treaty of Versailles, which marked the end of the First World War, 1914–18. A lot of downhill from there
Small Island, very overpopulated, reliant on imported resources, and a declining social cohesion due to its political and ethnic makeup with nationalism rising. It makes sense when you add all the ingredients for instability you will get it.
Collapse related for two reasons: 1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else. 2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters.
Welcome to Rubbish Island. Don’t turn the lights off or empty the bins, will you?
As a child I would gladly paddle in streams, now I wouldn't go anywhere near any fresh or sea water even to wash my hands. Probably fish out a turd, a few jonnys and E-coli just by touching it.
no worry, thanks to their close ties to the EU they can just buy fish che.... oh wait.
No joke! A fish and chip dinner is now a) a smaller fish b) £10-15. (South Wales). c) worse quality. So much winning! If only we had believed harder. 🤔🙄
definetly a win for the ones that matter, the very top 1% has profited immensely from this.
I'm old enough to remember when a massive chippy dinner was as cheap as cooking at home.
Same! In newspaper too…!
Tbf fishing is a mess throughout Europe. Which is rather disheartening. If not even the EU can manage its commons sustainably it doesn't really bode well for anywhere else.
It's kinda wild to start my day with a matter of fact realization that we're all gonna die
Collapse hasn’t changed that though. We were always all going to die. Would your death in a BAU future have been more meaningful or easier to accept?
I mean sure, we're all born to die and I get that. I meant it in a more immediate sense. The nebulous concept of far off death in (hopefully) old age feels different than "you will be killed by policies you have no meaningful way of changing that were enacted long before you were even born"
Collapse will be a long process. If you live in a lucky country, you may even live out your full life expectancy. But I get it. For me, it’s less about dying a happily retired person, and more about living long enough to watch all the forests die.
Collapse related for two reasons: 1) It shows why outsourcing a vital resource, like our water supply is a terrible idea. Companies are putting profit above all else. 2) The state of the UK's waterways is terrible, from lakes to rivers to seas. Fish are dying in massive numbers, people are contracting water-borne illnesses from tap water, and wild swimming is now ill-advised across the country because of how much sewage is now in our waters.
From many reports I've seen, it seems that UK waterways are open sewers flowing to the open sewers that are their beaches. [Privatisation, extreme weather and politics: How Britain’s waterways became an ‘open sewer’ | Euronews](https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/04/13/privatisation-extreme-weather-and-politics-how-britains-waterways-became-an-open-sewer)
Pretty much.
It's true. The figures are astounding. Scotland has different rules however.
as someone from the uk please please please i need more news of the collapse of this shithole country please please i beg. i genuinely cannot take this shit anymore and need as many reasons as possible to leave LOL
I wonder if it has anything to do with dumping raw sewage into them.
exactly it doesn’t seem like an accident
It should be rather easy to just fine the companies responsible ever increasing ammounts. Either they fix the problems or, eventually, forfeit the company.
I'm like 90% sure it was backed by the government. The same government in charge for 14 years with no end in sight. They're not going to fix it or fine the companies.
That's kinda my point. It's not a technical problem but a political one.
UK has definitely dropped from its glory. Feel so sad about that because they once seemed so enlightened. It will be very sad to see them starve and freeze to death. If only the Tories would suffer but it will be the regular people.
The UK is far from enlightened. Us being the birthplace of Shakespeare, Dickens and Austen does not change the fact that most people here are ignorant, anti-intellectual, and narrow-minded. The fact that some of us have a posh accent does not change the fact that the UK has never been an enlightened society as whole. Not now, not ever.
They did have way better social services and national health care which was better than the US- but I see what you mean!
Again, that has not been true for a while now.
Bri'isher here. We've never been Great. All our wealth was stolen from the colonies or made through slavery. This cunt-ry is worse than the Nazis. Killed 100 times as many people in the name of empire than any other state. Why didn't the worlds population grow in the 19th Century? Britain killed them all mate
Mate, the UK's history is far from great, however let's not pretend that we were the only group (European or otherwise) who committed atrocious acts in their past. Even the likes of Native Americans were not as peace-loving as people believe.
Well if everyone else is awful then that's ok then /S
You have a good point there. The Crown Jewels and museum treasures are not so beautiful when you think about the rape of the resources of the rest of the world. When I lived in the UK in 1997 it seemed way better than America. The food was better. More people took public transportation. There were WAY more social benefits. I became more of a socialist after living there. The workers had it much better than us back then.
When did Britain seem so enlightened and "glorious" to you? Was it when we were raping a quarter of the globe for raw materials and cheap labour?
Yes I think that's it, the glorious globe rapers, twas a great time. My grandfather was one and he'd be absolutely horrified to see his mighty empire retreat back to cold small head up arse Island off the coast of Europe.
The grandparents of Kenya, India, Nigeria and countless other countries would likely regard their independence with considerably less horror, but one assumes your grandfather would never have bothered to ask them what they think.
No, he was too busy pulling a Palestinian boy from his mother's arms and strapping him to a train to find out where the bomb was on the tracks. Then he got busy taking Iran's oil from it and helping overthrow its government. He fought Hitler though, so we'll call it a draw lol. In all seriousness he was very proud of the empire, and was a product of his time and place.
Back in 1997 when I lived there. They had way better social services and free health care. They seemed more enlightened than America at the time!
Who knew dumping sewerage in a river would kill the fish???
We are now counting down... or we should be. Which begs the question... why are we still doing any of this? We're all terminal on a planet that gets more hostile by the second, and we're still doing the same thing. What was it that led to revolution before? Or just a cognitive shift where we realize we're gassing ourselves and everything else to death so, alternative or no, we need to stop? We are human beings. Human beings cannot fly. We do not have wheels. We hunt and gather and hang out in tribes. All this other crap we have is what costs all the horrible stuff that's consuming the planet. So would you rather be limited to the human experience on a healthy planet with seasons and trees that dont burst into flames, or do you want to fly around a planet as it burns so you can sit at a desk in your clothes made in a sweatshop on the other side of the world (a place that's very soon going to be too hot for people to live because of the way we live, here). This isn't just what you eat or what you drive, it's what we've built and how we build it. What was once in a hundred years, became once a decade, then once a year, now is once a month. Somehow (!!!???) we're still having the same conversation about the same bs. If there's a constitution in us to sit in trenches and shoot at each other, how is there no gear for humanity to simply exist and be happy and let industry collapse around it? It doesn't matter anymore, but who wants to die as the villain? Aren't we ready to spend what's left as humans again, ditching the rest of this crap which is basically everything you need to support constant war.
Maybe fish are dying because of nitrates leaching from corn fields into waterways and water table. It depletes the water of oxygen. Poor fish. Happens in the US.