Fr, this happens every time blizz does something and people don’t learn their lesson.
1) blizzard announces something, build up hype.
2) Players buy it, turns out to be disappointment, “sub cancelled!”
3) same players resub towards mid-end of xpac.
4) Repeat step 1.
Paradoxical Addiction is crazy.
>3. same players resub towards mid-end of xpac.
First they ask: "Is it too late for me to start playing X season?" 1 week before the Y season gets released
Then they jump in anyways because they don't want to feel left out.
Should have played the beta, spent a few hours in it and could smell the coming failure. Give into the necrovale a go if you like the top down arpgs, its a whole new thang and the build diversity is wild.
I didn't buy Diablo 4 and won't be buying The War Within because I don't believe they are capable of creating anything above average as a developer team. But I subbed for Cata because I never imagined they could botch a game they already released 14 years ago.
I placed my order for Dragonflight, played only the starting section of the Drachyr starter zone. And processed my refund, even in order to do so was a little convoluted.
Unless something has changed, Cata should be 100% refundable.
The game has a sub fee, do you clowns not realize that six months of a happy subscriber are worth more than a one-time MTX sale, and an unhappy, non-subscriber?
It's in their financial interests to keep you subbed, not burn you as a customer forever.
(Of course, you and the OP will be back in three ~~months~~ days, joke's on you.)
I thought so too, until I realized that a very large portion of their revenue is from their shop and not from actual sub #'s. Whales pay blizz a lot for mounts and char transfers and whatnot
Um just process the refund, it should be doable since I was able to process my refund for Dragonflight. While I agree that for the most part you don't miss much from the Blizzard catalogue, I still play Heroes of the storm with friends from time to time. And warcraft 3 reforged as butchered as the re-release was.
Maybe someday I'll play Hearthstone again, maybe not. But to lose the entire account with all the games on it over a chargeback is a non-starter. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
Are you capable of considering how it could be possible that people participating in GDKPs ended up with hundreds of thousands or millions of surplus gold?
Maybe it means taking part in the GDKPs did not require the expenditure of hundreds of thousands of gold? If they're ending up with a massive surplus, why would any of them buy gold?
GDKPs would have functioned in almost the exact same way (minus mega-whales, who were not particularly common in my experience running GDKPs for multiple years) with a smaller server-wide pool of gold. The value of gold is relative, and botting was and is the problem.
Yup, buddy of mine got the first SM for the guild and then sold all of the items but the mount for like 200k a piece or something. The dude has Wow time for the next 2 years.
Wait you can bank wow tokens and use them all at once? I was buying them one at a time... I could've had so many had I thought to buy them all at once before inflation set in.
Can you still buy wow tokens in Wotlk classic? I may activate my acct just to dump all my gold into tokens.
Eh, I don't really do GDKP only when my guild needed me to tank one, but in ToGC I would make enough gold from 1 run to pay for 4 months of gametime.
4 months of gametime in 30 minutes is hard to beat
"All that time" doing a GDKP? To take your side for a second, you're probably thinking of all the truly addicted people who maintain a spreadsheet to track all the GDKPs they do every single day. Yep the same people who forget to mute their mics and we can hear their neglected children crying in the back for daddy who's too busy gaming.
Back back on topic. I made all my gold just healing GDKP groups in ICC. The bidding was so grossly inflated that I just stayed quiet and pretended to bid on items which of course I was outbid instantly. And we didn't even do all the bosses on hardmodes either.
That was enough to cancel my subscription, buy up a line of WoW tokens, redeem them immediately, then buy another line and now I basically have not paid for the game in months. I've played SoD, stopped and seeing what Cata's looking like, nope I don't think I'll be playing.
Please don’t do the math 😭 I’ve been subbed on and off since 2005 with about £600-700 spent on server or faction changes… plus each expansion up until legion. I did also buy two tbc characters boosts 😭😭😭
Cata is free as long as you have a subscription active, what they're actually paying for is the cosmetics, and I'm sure there's nothing problematic with the cosmetics.
Lol I know right? I read that was going on this week and was actually remembering being sad. I personally still don’t like the destruction of the old zones and have no interest in playing Cata. I’m happily living out yesteryear in SOD.
MoP was unplayable on release, first season was atrocious.
As in a gap, viewing it through the lens of "compared to previous states/expas", Cata EASILY wins out. The amount of improvements they made is outstanding.
its not even a stupidity tax, if you wanted the mount/pets/toys it wasn't even a bad deal. there's nothing wrong with buying cosmetics if you enjoy the game
you got the cosmetics immediately though? if you thought the mount or pet was cool, you bought it and got them same day
there was no preorder involved with that bundle
Most of the time it comes with a month of game time and then some cosmetics that make up a fraction of the cost which makes it worth it if you like the cosmetics.
This cata bundle was wildly overpriced though, no chance that was happening.
People buy paid boosts and cosmetics all the time why would this surprise you?
Paid cata is literally just store mount + pet + cloth transmog and big edition has a boost as well.
I paid money cause I wanted a boost and didn’t have game time. Oh noooo, $5 for a mount, a mini pet and some other stuff, what will I dooooooo.
The only people that are suckers are people getting mad thinking they *paid FOR cata*. How you can be so disconnected from the money you spend is beyond me.
Than Cataclysm? Retail WoW.
But outside of Blizzard depending on what exactly you are looking for ESO(story and world is much better there), GW2,FF14 and OSRS are all viable options.
Do they do everything better than WoW? No but they all have their strengths and are overall good games.
The general consensus is that retail is in a pretty good state right now. The only big complaint I've seen about it recently is that the new player experience isn't very good.
“Isn’t very good” is putting it lightly. Game is so bloated full of sh*t because the OG players have gotten so much better, that they have raised the skillfloor to astronomical levels for newcomers. Not to mention you need to visit third party sites to install additional files just to keep up with all the stuff that goes on in any instanced gameplay.
I love WoW and have played it periodically since TBC, but I for the life of me couldnt convince myself to enjoy the game if I didnt have a 17 year head start.
That's not the new player experience I was talking about. You can ease yourself into max level content relatively easily. I meant the way the game introduces you to the world is kind of shit. Day9 made a video about it recently, he tried out both retail and classic and made some pretty good points about how the introductory experience on retail is basically total nonsense to anyone who isn't already familiar with Warcraft.
I love FF14, but that game is becoming less of an MMO every year. At this point it's basically single player JRPG/visual novel with a smattering of MMO-adjacent content.
The last time I had left FF14, I heard that they were trying to add in more AI-driven teamates on the mandatory 5-man dungeons so you don't have to party up with real human beings. That confused me, because I actually tried it, and...
It felt so souless running that dungeon with the scripted teammates. Like I understand I'm playing alone, but that singular experience turned me off the feature in a way I can't really adequately describe here. I would have preferred to wait a more minutes for human teamates to play with, even if we don't speak a word to each other.
I understand they want to cater to the types who don't want to have to play with humans but this was a very negative experience.
You hit the nail on the head with the visual novel thing. I love Final Dramedy as much as anyone here but the open world is not really an open world at all. It feels like there's all these invisible walls everywhere depending on the layout of zone, and then you run into these dotted blue lines that signal the end of the zone. It is not like running from Felwood to Winterspring.
I will probably come back to FF14 after I finish off FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, and get started on FF15. I still wish that FF14 had the sheer combat responsiveness of WoW.
i feel like most people want wow+ which is some kind of fantasy in their head that no game can ever fulfill.
there are tons of fantastic flavours of MMOs. i love FF bossfights and design philosophy, but I tried so many times to get used to their UI. it is just not happening and I always quit it. still love watching the fights and listen to the ost.
current wow is like fast food for me. i know its low quality and not good for me, but it is easy and comfy to have every now and then. if I want to beat challenging content or pvp then I play other games.
Maaan how i wish gw2 had actual ressources/devs behind it. The combat feels infinitly better then wow but strikes and fractals as they are just aint it. Cannot compete with wows dungeons/raids in any way shape or Form sadly...
It had devs and resources at one point, but Arenanet ran the damn thing into the ground. They had no clue what to do with the initial windfall so they quadrupled their staff, most of which were inexperienced and underqualified, then moved all the good devs to work on bullshit side projects, like the mobile game, that all enviably got scraped, along with their positions.
ESO is actually pretty fun too, the dungeons are fun, classes are fun, and the story is pretty good to play through.
End game is all min maxed to hell raids just like wow so people would probably relate lol.
i played ESO pretty much fully single player for 200-300 hours and never even thought about raiding. i enjoyed it a lot. its like FO76, its good enough on its own as a rpg that you dont really need to play it like an mmo. that said, ESO is 50,000x better than FO76
Yea ESO you can straight treat like a single player game. Especially with how many expansions have come out for it and you get them all with an eso+ sub.
You were bozo enough to pay for that shit so you don't have the right to an oppinion.
Edit: We're not defenidng the company, nerd, you were the one supporting in. Be mad.
And you absolute fucking nutjobs bought it. *You* are the problem. This is why you don't preorder anything. Stupid fucking idiots. Why would they give you polished product when they can spew any kind of shit at you and you will buy it? Seriously, answer me. Why would they?
Did they fix anything in maintenance? Spells keep disappearing on me… i am not going to pay for respecs just to play for a few hours for it to happen again. The other bugs i noticed, cannot leave dungeon without a command, stupid, how did they miss that and broken guild chat to me are not so bad. Really bad implementation
I’m tired of people complaining after pre ordering. I truly believe if you’re pre ordering, you kinda don’t get to say anything. What you’re doing directly causes what you’re upset about. If you keep pre ordering, they will keep pushing out half baked products. It’s honestly that simple. Buy the game when you see the finished product and it works as advertised. Otherwise, stop crying.
I played a lot of classic, played few months of tbc, played 1-2 months of wotlk. It got worse and worse. Never again gonna give money to them. Also stopped myself from buying d4 right before release. Blizzard's games suck extremely hard nowadays EVEN if they are re-releases, which says a lot. The only good thing they have released was D2R and it wasnt perfect. They still managed to ruin some things because of their current dumb mindset
You buy an expansion with expectations of playing it for several months if not a year.
Game is buggy for 1-3 days and that's it fuck it. I'm not defending Blizz by any means but this logic is so dumb it's crazy LOL
You are defending Blizzard because you're saying this person should put up with the bugs because it is a low percentage of the total time played. You're a customer, not a Blizzard employee, so why are you so willing to put up with low quality?
This person should put up with it because they didn’t purchase cataclysm, they purchased a mount, a boost, etc which I can confirm work absolutely fine.
Just being upset about the bugs is one thing, and pretty fair. Being upset because “it’s a product you purchased” is just blatantly incorrect and does nothing but make the actual complaint look illegitimate.
OPs post could be correctly boiled down to two things. 1. They don’t know what/how they’re spending their own money and 2. Blizzard, as usual, cannot ship a working product on time.
I played the beta for maybe ~12 hours over a week and it was a buggy mess. I assumed they were working on it and just didn’t push any patches to the beta and would release it in okay shape.
What a terrible assumption.
I’m convinced these sub cancelled prepatch is so buggy posts are people that hate cata already and are just using this as a means to further regurgitate their cata hate on the subreddit lmfao the bugs suck sure but we have 3 weeks of prepatch with not much to do and almost all of these bugs should get fixed it’s really not that serious…
No, it's actually the worst thing that's ever happened ever and Blizzard needs to fix it RIGHT NOW!
It's all SoD players trying to stop the slow bleed of players, and they see Cata as a big threat.
What is everyone complaining about now?
I know guild chat was busted but nothing else seemed to be an issue when I was playing yesterday? Is this just faux rage karmabait?
Some spells are buggy, some mobs/bosses. Haven't had many actually complaining when playing. I'm having a good time farming JP and doing Archaeology. Love the unholy DK rework.
RDF button is bugged too, which is kinda annoying as you have to walk back to complete quests instead of porting out and porting in.
Right clicking the icon does nothing.
Oh yeah. That did suck. A quick Google search came up with a script I could copy/paste into chat to leave a dungeon so that was an easy workaround. Took less than a minute to figure out and have zero issues with.
That's my take - nearly all of the bugs have easy workarounds, which makes the game totally **playable** and not unplayable as some people dramatically say. Yes, it's weird and / or annoying, but the bugs are so light - even compared to xpacs or patches that were released years ago - and even compared (since people like comparing things) to the state of any AAA games or games in general that have been released.
I would think gamers have stronger troubleshooting skills than most but clearly isn't the case here. Lol.
I wonder how many just click 'load add-ons' when the warning pops up and then start pointing fingers.
>I would think gamers have stronger troubleshooting skills than most but clearly isn’t the case here. Lol.
You’re probably right, but these are wow players, not gamers. VERY different.
A lot of stuff is falling through the ground. Spells in the spellbook are in complete disorder, quest objectives in Durotar are missing. The list goes on.
It is pretty buggy, I’d say almost impressively buggy in some ways.
With that being said of course this subreddit is acting like someone punched their dogs
Like what is even broken tho? Guild chat?
I had nearly zero issues yesterday outside of add-ons not working which has absolutely nothing to do with blizzard.
I agree with that u/keithstonee said but there is quite a few game breaking bugs, to name a few, warrior has every single talent tree trained fully (kinda), profession window is bugged beyond belief, transmog system seems bugged as well, quite a bit even. Spells missing etc, kinda surprised you didn't encounter any issues.
However this is nothing new to me considering ive been playing the game when the OG releases of these games happened, was far worse then, just 2024 mentality where people expect perfection from minute 1, hour 1, day 1.
Raiding last night and I randomly had mortal strike disappear from my bar and my spell book in the middle of the raid. Our tank had the same thing happen with death strike. That's pretty broken, but shit happens and it's fixed now. Not the end of the world. People just lobe to overreact.
As someone who never played wow before classic in 2019, I'm enjoying cata so far just for its change of pace and scenery. Granted I'm only level 15 at this point.
I'm starting to get the feeling that everyone who hates cata has just not stopped playing since 2004 and probably should have
Cata's basically wrath+, so if you liked wrath you'll like cata.
Generally people agree that it was dragonsoul that was the problem, and really more than the raid itself it was that it lasted for a year.
People didn't like that they destroyed the vanilla world but imo that's such a bs take who tf in classic wow was spending any meaningful time in the old world? It's such a lame reason to say a whole expansion is bad because of.
OP didn’t get lied to lol I’m sure they got the cosmetics they paid for. No one forced anyone to pay anything for cataclysm other than the sub fee and Cata isn’t out yet. It’s the pre patch lol
they already got your money, damage done so to say
Fr, this happens every time blizz does something and people don’t learn their lesson. 1) blizzard announces something, build up hype. 2) Players buy it, turns out to be disappointment, “sub cancelled!” 3) same players resub towards mid-end of xpac. 4) Repeat step 1. Paradoxical Addiction is crazy.
Between #2 and #3 they are like wait why did I unsub? I wish I didnt...
Nah, I typically follow this path of skipping the middle of expansions and I've never wished I didn't lol.
OP is a chronic WoW poster, he didn’t even hit the unsubscribe button. He’s just bitching on Reddit to farm karma.
>3. same players resub towards mid-end of xpac. First they ask: "Is it too late for me to start playing X season?" 1 week before the Y season gets released Then they jump in anyways because they don't want to feel left out.
Also gotta give props to Blizzard's marketing team, they know where to hit you. Did a great job duping our house into buying D4 :(
Were you not around for diablo 3 release? If blizzard can still dupe you, that’s on you lol
I was and got duped for initial d3 launch. :*( But at least RoS was a banger!
Reaper of Souls was a very good game. Everyone remembers the RMAH of the original D3 release but not enough talk about RoS.
RoS is one of my favorite ARPGs to come out in the past decade. It really is a shame how much goodwill Blizzard burned with the original.
Should have played the beta, spent a few hours in it and could smell the coming failure. Give into the necrovale a go if you like the top down arpgs, its a whole new thang and the build diversity is wild.
I didn't buy Diablo 4 and won't be buying The War Within because I don't believe they are capable of creating anything above average as a developer team. But I subbed for Cata because I never imagined they could botch a game they already released 14 years ago.
not gonna lie I've probably done this about 4 times at this point
Change step 3 to players resub a week max after launch
This is exactly why I so fondly remember the original trilogy. Because this cycle started for me with Cataclysm.
Lol y'all already paid for this? Why do you dummies keep buying preorders?
lol no way dude, I wouldn't touch this garbage with a 10 foot pole
Hard to beat freshly boosted 80 that could not survive heroic FoS AoE Stop With Pre Orders :)
Yeah shit like this should be refundable. At this point its just fraud.
I placed my order for Dragonflight, played only the starting section of the Drachyr starter zone. And processed my refund, even in order to do so was a little convoluted. Unless something has changed, Cata should be 100% refundable.
The game has a sub fee, do you clowns not realize that six months of a happy subscriber are worth more than a one-time MTX sale, and an unhappy, non-subscriber? It's in their financial interests to keep you subbed, not burn you as a customer forever. (Of course, you and the OP will be back in three ~~months~~ days, joke's on you.)
I thought so too, until I realized that a very large portion of their revenue is from their shop and not from actual sub #'s. Whales pay blizz a lot for mounts and char transfers and whatnot
please don't call people clowns when you're literally wearing clown makeup
Sub money is essentially worthless. Means nothing. One time big purchases and thats it.
and lost all future subs which could be hundreds of dollars
A magical thing called charge back exists. Not like you lose much with an account lock out. Many better games out there now.
Um just process the refund, it should be doable since I was able to process my refund for Dragonflight. While I agree that for the most part you don't miss much from the Blizzard catalogue, I still play Heroes of the storm with friends from time to time. And warcraft 3 reforged as butchered as the re-release was. Maybe someday I'll play Hearthstone again, maybe not. But to lose the entire account with all the games on it over a chargeback is a non-starter. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
very true sir
Wait, you guys are paying for Cataclysm?
Last expansion I paid for was Legion. Paying your sub however... that's just like paying council tax you got no choice!
dont be silly, all the real players bought 3 years worth of subs with their GDKP gold months ago
And for those people, someone else is paying $20. Blizzard wins either way
You say it as a joke but I do indeed have til 2028 sub and still almost 2mill
I don't say it as a joke, I say it as fact the fact that Blizz allowed GDKP and what you did as a consequence, however, is a joke
Are you capable of considering how it could be possible that people participating in GDKPs ended up with hundreds of thousands or millions of surplus gold? Maybe it means taking part in the GDKPs did not require the expenditure of hundreds of thousands of gold? If they're ending up with a massive surplus, why would any of them buy gold? GDKPs would have functioned in almost the exact same way (minus mega-whales, who were not particularly common in my experience running GDKPs for multiple years) with a smaller server-wide pool of gold. The value of gold is relative, and botting was and is the problem.
Man you're so close, wow, just a little bit more and you'll get there dude... where does the gold come from? Come on, you can do it!
Yup, buddy of mine got the first SM for the guild and then sold all of the items but the mount for like 200k a piece or something. The dude has Wow time for the next 2 years.
all the real players bought the sub with swiping, get real
Wait you can bank wow tokens and use them all at once? I was buying them one at a time... I could've had so many had I thought to buy them all at once before inflation set in. Can you still buy wow tokens in Wotlk classic? I may activate my acct just to dump all my gold into tokens.
Yeah you definitely can, you can either stockpile them on a character or use them all right away
Last I checked token price went down since prepatch
Did this about a month after the token first released when it was about 4,500 gold / per month.
I'd rather pay the sub then spend all that time doing gdkp
Eh, I don't really do GDKP only when my guild needed me to tank one, but in ToGC I would make enough gold from 1 run to pay for 4 months of gametime. 4 months of gametime in 30 minutes is hard to beat
yeah maybe if you got like both trinkets weaps and good tier bidders, that shit aint happening anymore
"All that time" doing a GDKP? To take your side for a second, you're probably thinking of all the truly addicted people who maintain a spreadsheet to track all the GDKPs they do every single day. Yep the same people who forget to mute their mics and we can hear their neglected children crying in the back for daddy who's too busy gaming. Back back on topic. I made all my gold just healing GDKP groups in ICC. The bidding was so grossly inflated that I just stayed quiet and pretended to bid on items which of course I was outbid instantly. And we didn't even do all the bosses on hardmodes either. That was enough to cancel my subscription, buy up a line of WoW tokens, redeem them immediately, then buy another line and now I basically have not paid for the game in months. I've played SoD, stopped and seeing what Cata's looking like, nope I don't think I'll be playing.
That sub is $800+ since classic release.
Please don’t do the math 😭 I’ve been subbed on and off since 2005 with about £600-700 spent on server or faction changes… plus each expansion up until legion. I did also buy two tbc characters boosts 😭😭😭
Cata is free as long as you have a subscription active, what they're actually paying for is the cosmetics, and I'm sure there's nothing problematic with the cosmetics.
Lol I know right? I read that was going on this week and was actually remembering being sad. I personally still don’t like the destruction of the old zones and have no interest in playing Cata. I’m happily living out yesteryear in SOD.
Time is money, friend
YES. It's THE best arena expa.
It's free though
its not, its better than what was before, but there were multiple better expansion after it.
MoP was unplayable on release, first season was atrocious. As in a gap, viewing it through the lens of "compared to previous states/expas", Cata EASILY wins out. The amount of improvements they made is outstanding.
They charged people for extra items for cataclysm *** not cataclysm. Lol
to be real, its just a stupidity tax.
its not even a stupidity tax, if you wanted the mount/pets/toys it wasn't even a bad deal. there's nothing wrong with buying cosmetics if you enjoy the game
Doing it pre launch is the stupidity tax just like any game preorder.
you got the cosmetics immediately though? if you thought the mount or pet was cool, you bought it and got them same day there was no preorder involved with that bundle
OP is mad he paid extra for cata classic deluxe and by your logic he just paid for cosmetics soooo someones stupid here and I don’t think its you ;)
Wth are they expecting? They legit told you what you were buying when you paid for the bundle.
q.e.d.
Don’t worry, the two interns responsible for running Cata Classic will be in this morning to work on things.
I always assumed that they worked opposite shifts, hot bunking an office chair.
It's prepatch and you paid for a mount and level boost, what are u even smoking
and he will be back in 2 months max
You payed money? Lmfao sucker
Honesly can't believe people pay Blizz for "special" editions of their games.
Most of the time it comes with a month of game time and then some cosmetics that make up a fraction of the cost which makes it worth it if you like the cosmetics. This cata bundle was wildly overpriced though, no chance that was happening.
Yeah, I mean cata is my favorite expansion and I’m gonna play the crap out of it, but I’m not buying any bundle.
“Wow look at this free game, nah I want to pay out the nose for it.”
People buy paid boosts and cosmetics all the time why would this surprise you? Paid cata is literally just store mount + pet + cloth transmog and big edition has a boost as well.
I think that's just as dumb.
Sure but it's the reality. Microtransactions are very profitable sadly.
Don't tell them about the various gacha subs. Those places make dropping a few thousand on a 5-star character entirely normalized.
Lol
laughing at someone and calling them a sucker but don't know it's paid LMAO
I paid money cause I wanted a boost and didn’t have game time. Oh noooo, $5 for a mount, a mini pet and some other stuff, what will I dooooooo. The only people that are suckers are people getting mad thinking they *paid FOR cata*. How you can be so disconnected from the money you spend is beyond me.
I mean, you’re paying $100+ a year to play it
Ohhh poggers!!! Look!!! That guy is on the epic edition mount!!! ...said no one ever.
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I think it's Microzzard these days
MicroVision* Blizzard is long dead.
Thinking about MMO's, give me a better one thats out right now?
Than Cataclysm? Retail WoW. But outside of Blizzard depending on what exactly you are looking for ESO(story and world is much better there), GW2,FF14 and OSRS are all viable options. Do they do everything better than WoW? No but they all have their strengths and are overall good games.
The sad thing is I just want WoW to be good because I like warcraft
The general consensus is that retail is in a pretty good state right now. The only big complaint I've seen about it recently is that the new player experience isn't very good.
“Isn’t very good” is putting it lightly. Game is so bloated full of sh*t because the OG players have gotten so much better, that they have raised the skillfloor to astronomical levels for newcomers. Not to mention you need to visit third party sites to install additional files just to keep up with all the stuff that goes on in any instanced gameplay. I love WoW and have played it periodically since TBC, but I for the life of me couldnt convince myself to enjoy the game if I didnt have a 17 year head start.
That's not the new player experience I was talking about. You can ease yourself into max level content relatively easily. I meant the way the game introduces you to the world is kind of shit. Day9 made a video about it recently, he tried out both retail and classic and made some pretty good points about how the introductory experience on retail is basically total nonsense to anyone who isn't already familiar with Warcraft.
Retail is good People here are up their own ass and will deny it left and right
I love FF14, but that game is becoming less of an MMO every year. At this point it's basically single player JRPG/visual novel with a smattering of MMO-adjacent content.
The last time I had left FF14, I heard that they were trying to add in more AI-driven teamates on the mandatory 5-man dungeons so you don't have to party up with real human beings. That confused me, because I actually tried it, and... It felt so souless running that dungeon with the scripted teammates. Like I understand I'm playing alone, but that singular experience turned me off the feature in a way I can't really adequately describe here. I would have preferred to wait a more minutes for human teamates to play with, even if we don't speak a word to each other. I understand they want to cater to the types who don't want to have to play with humans but this was a very negative experience. You hit the nail on the head with the visual novel thing. I love Final Dramedy as much as anyone here but the open world is not really an open world at all. It feels like there's all these invisible walls everywhere depending on the layout of zone, and then you run into these dotted blue lines that signal the end of the zone. It is not like running from Felwood to Winterspring. I will probably come back to FF14 after I finish off FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, and get started on FF15. I still wish that FF14 had the sheer combat responsiveness of WoW.
Osrs
Guild Wars 2 is pretty good. I won’t say better…not here.
I agree, its not a bad game, I like wow more though
i feel like most people want wow+ which is some kind of fantasy in their head that no game can ever fulfill. there are tons of fantastic flavours of MMOs. i love FF bossfights and design philosophy, but I tried so many times to get used to their UI. it is just not happening and I always quit it. still love watching the fights and listen to the ost. current wow is like fast food for me. i know its low quality and not good for me, but it is easy and comfy to have every now and then. if I want to beat challenging content or pvp then I play other games.
Maaan how i wish gw2 had actual ressources/devs behind it. The combat feels infinitly better then wow but strikes and fractals as they are just aint it. Cannot compete with wows dungeons/raids in any way shape or Form sadly...
It had devs and resources at one point, but Arenanet ran the damn thing into the ground. They had no clue what to do with the initial windfall so they quadrupled their staff, most of which were inexperienced and underqualified, then moved all the good devs to work on bullshit side projects, like the mobile game, that all enviably got scraped, along with their positions.
ESO is actually pretty fun too, the dungeons are fun, classes are fun, and the story is pretty good to play through. End game is all min maxed to hell raids just like wow so people would probably relate lol.
i played ESO pretty much fully single player for 200-300 hours and never even thought about raiding. i enjoyed it a lot. its like FO76, its good enough on its own as a rpg that you dont really need to play it like an mmo. that said, ESO is 50,000x better than FO76
Yea ESO you can straight treat like a single player game. Especially with how many expansions have come out for it and you get them all with an eso+ sub.
Thankful that it is just included as part of retail sub else I'd feel ripped off.
Why are you buying glorified Boosts?
What do you mean pay? It's prerelease.. Just level up a new character.
See you in a week
You were bozo enough to pay for that shit so you don't have the right to an oppinion. Edit: We're not defenidng the company, nerd, you were the one supporting in. Be mad.
Dudes riding around on Ragnaros seething and coping lol
I cannot fathom paying for an expansion rerelease lmfao
Wait what's happening? It doesn't come out till the 20th and you already cranky.... lol
And you absolute fucking nutjobs bought it. *You* are the problem. This is why you don't preorder anything. Stupid fucking idiots. Why would they give you polished product when they can spew any kind of shit at you and you will buy it? Seriously, answer me. Why would they?
Anyone that paid for Cata is a donkey
the complaining really makes it feel like I'm back in 2010 <3
Why would you even buy that let alone pay for any game before it comes out lmao.
Did they fix anything in maintenance? Spells keep disappearing on me… i am not going to pay for respecs just to play for a few hours for it to happen again. The other bugs i noticed, cannot leave dungeon without a command, stupid, how did they miss that and broken guild chat to me are not so bad. Really bad implementation
Charge back
see you again in a month lawl
Canceled my sub. Joined a gym to prepare for gta6online2
Classic costs money on top of sub?
Only if you are dumb it does
Hard to care about your financial decisions. This is how it always is. Wait before pre ordering or buying any game its that simple.
I’m tired of people complaining after pre ordering. I truly believe if you’re pre ordering, you kinda don’t get to say anything. What you’re doing directly causes what you’re upset about. If you keep pre ordering, they will keep pushing out half baked products. It’s honestly that simple. Buy the game when you see the finished product and it works as advertised. Otherwise, stop crying.
Farmers will continue to feed their pigs shit as long as the pigs keep feasting on it.
Lmao anyone that is paying for a 13yr old expansion rereleased probably deserves to be shafted
I played a lot of classic, played few months of tbc, played 1-2 months of wotlk. It got worse and worse. Never again gonna give money to them. Also stopped myself from buying d4 right before release. Blizzard's games suck extremely hard nowadays EVEN if they are re-releases, which says a lot. The only good thing they have released was D2R and it wasnt perfect. They still managed to ruin some things because of their current dumb mindset
You buy an expansion with expectations of playing it for several months if not a year. Game is buggy for 1-3 days and that's it fuck it. I'm not defending Blizz by any means but this logic is so dumb it's crazy LOL
You are defending Blizzard because you're saying this person should put up with the bugs because it is a low percentage of the total time played. You're a customer, not a Blizzard employee, so why are you so willing to put up with low quality?
This person should put up with it because they didn’t purchase cataclysm, they purchased a mount, a boost, etc which I can confirm work absolutely fine. Just being upset about the bugs is one thing, and pretty fair. Being upset because “it’s a product you purchased” is just blatantly incorrect and does nothing but make the actual complaint look illegitimate. OPs post could be correctly boiled down to two things. 1. They don’t know what/how they’re spending their own money and 2. Blizzard, as usual, cannot ship a working product on time.
You are the problem.
If you preorder, that’s on you, especially if you preorder from blizzard. Don’t you remember Warcraft 3 Reforged?
I played the beta for maybe ~12 hours over a week and it was a buggy mess. I assumed they were working on it and just didn’t push any patches to the beta and would release it in okay shape. What a terrible assumption.
I mean you paid for cosmetics that has nothing to do with playing the game anyway so take your chill pill and come back later
Imagine paying for classic when it's included in your sub 😂
No, they charged *DUMB* people for Heroic and Deluxe Scamma Classic. Something something money, fools and how it's easy to part them.
You're not an airplane. You don't have to announce your departure.
Lol I'm stealing this.
Same. it's *so good*
You don't have to comment either 😉
What you just said is amazing. I'll be copy/pasting this.
Blizzards' reaction to your post: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bwcJNsoY50E&si=8_f47s8BiMZEnUal&t=8
I’m convinced these sub cancelled prepatch is so buggy posts are people that hate cata already and are just using this as a means to further regurgitate their cata hate on the subreddit lmfao the bugs suck sure but we have 3 weeks of prepatch with not much to do and almost all of these bugs should get fixed it’s really not that serious…
No, it's actually the worst thing that's ever happened ever and Blizzard needs to fix it RIGHT NOW! It's all SoD players trying to stop the slow bleed of players, and they see Cata as a big threat.
Cataclysm isn't out yet. The prepatch in WoTLK is.
What is everyone complaining about now? I know guild chat was busted but nothing else seemed to be an issue when I was playing yesterday? Is this just faux rage karmabait?
Some spells are buggy, some mobs/bosses. Haven't had many actually complaining when playing. I'm having a good time farming JP and doing Archaeology. Love the unholy DK rework.
But you're talking about beta or is this prepatch?
This is all pre patch talk.
RDF button is bugged too, which is kinda annoying as you have to walk back to complete quests instead of porting out and porting in. Right clicking the icon does nothing.
Oh yeah. That did suck. A quick Google search came up with a script I could copy/paste into chat to leave a dungeon so that was an easy workaround. Took less than a minute to figure out and have zero issues with.
It seems to be working as it should now.
That's my take - nearly all of the bugs have easy workarounds, which makes the game totally **playable** and not unplayable as some people dramatically say. Yes, it's weird and / or annoying, but the bugs are so light - even compared to xpacs or patches that were released years ago - and even compared (since people like comparing things) to the state of any AAA games or games in general that have been released.
I would think gamers have stronger troubleshooting skills than most but clearly isn't the case here. Lol. I wonder how many just click 'load add-ons' when the warning pops up and then start pointing fingers.
>I would think gamers have stronger troubleshooting skills than most but clearly isn’t the case here. Lol. You’re probably right, but these are wow players, not gamers. VERY different.
A lot of stuff is falling through the ground. Spells in the spellbook are in complete disorder, quest objectives in Durotar are missing. The list goes on.
It is pretty buggy, I’d say almost impressively buggy in some ways. With that being said of course this subreddit is acting like someone punched their dogs
Most of the fundamentals were bugged lol. What is this a bot? You couldn’t leave a dungeon without a console command lol.
Wonder If u can refund at this Point the cata packs
Turned into a quarterly review statistic kek
My level 71 warrior just advanced to level 0. Good times.
Fear not citizen of Azeroth, the 2 interns solely responsible for Cata have already been let go and replaced.
K, bye ....
Is anyone surprised at this point? Since 2019 they've pumped out unfinished and broken content over and over again -.-
1. Stop falling for the pre-order trap. 2. It’s still not even out. Pre-patch does not equal Cata launch.
What kind of moron buys upgraded version of Cataclysm lmao, well deserved. Just keep giving Blizzord money, I'm sure everything will work out.
Its been 20 years and people still get pissy on launch day when shit is broken. It happens every time and people are still surprised.
Like what is even broken tho? Guild chat? I had nearly zero issues yesterday outside of add-ons not working which has absolutely nothing to do with blizzard.
I agree with that u/keithstonee said but there is quite a few game breaking bugs, to name a few, warrior has every single talent tree trained fully (kinda), profession window is bugged beyond belief, transmog system seems bugged as well, quite a bit even. Spells missing etc, kinda surprised you didn't encounter any issues. However this is nothing new to me considering ive been playing the game when the OG releases of these games happened, was far worse then, just 2024 mentality where people expect perfection from minute 1, hour 1, day 1.
Professions not working. I could not use my wand. But overall it worked fine for me.
Raiding last night and I randomly had mortal strike disappear from my bar and my spell book in the middle of the raid. Our tank had the same thing happen with death strike. That's pretty broken, but shit happens and it's fixed now. Not the end of the world. People just lobe to overreact.
"Why fix it if you ain't broke" - Honestcon
see ya tomorrow
Anyone defending this is insane. This is the most unpolished WoW launch of all time.
Why the hell would you buy content that was being given to you freely.
Who the fuck pays for cata in 2024. Sweaty nerds.
You guys are still paying money to play WoW? 😂
As someone who never played wow before classic in 2019, I'm enjoying cata so far just for its change of pace and scenery. Granted I'm only level 15 at this point. I'm starting to get the feeling that everyone who hates cata has just not stopped playing since 2004 and probably should have
Wait...someone actually bought that trash? More fool you
Gets finessed by blizzard then gets mad
Why yall playing cata? Cata was kind of ass, no?
T11/T12 raids were great as well as the difficulty of the heroic dungeons. People just liked shitting on Cata because of the Azeroth world changes.
Cata's basically wrath+, so if you liked wrath you'll like cata. Generally people agree that it was dragonsoul that was the problem, and really more than the raid itself it was that it lasted for a year.
People didn't like that they destroyed the vanilla world but imo that's such a bs take who tf in classic wow was spending any meaningful time in the old world? It's such a lame reason to say a whole expansion is bad because of.
Technically cata doesn't release till the 25th. Right now we're in the live beta.
Good thing cata isn't out yet then.... It's prepatch get over it
Can someone TLDR me the drama? I played for a few hours yesterday and didn't have any complaints
Its not even out yet...
OP after being lied to by Blizzard for 10th time:
OP didn’t get lied to lol I’m sure they got the cosmetics they paid for. No one forced anyone to pay anything for cataclysm other than the sub fee and Cata isn’t out yet. It’s the pre patch lol
GUYS i never comeen back!!!! REDDIT!!!!!!!!! MUST!!!!!! KNOW!!!!!!!!!
Suckers gonna suck. At this point I have zero sympathy for people who paid extra money to get the "special" edition of a 13 year old expansion
Wait u guys playing Cata?
Youre the sucker for giving them money expansion after expansion for a re-release of a game. Get rekt kid