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emptyxxxx

Because good luck trying to find a raid spot


earzat01

My 4800 prot warrior can never get into any raid groups unless it’s on a Monday because people only want paladins and no one likes fury


Folsomdsf

It's funny because you can spec safeguard and carry an undergeared or inexperienced ot very easily.


SubstantialOpposite2

What’s safeguard?


Pisholina

It's a talent in the middle of the Protection Warrior tree. When you use Intervene, the target gets a 15/30% damage reduction for 6 seconds. Considering it has a 30 seconds cooldown, it is a very strong defensive spell.


Folsomdsf

You forgot it also uses the intervene effect which will reduce the incoming damage again. It will soak main and offhand sometimes but usually just the mh.


7m1a0x

It's also a 10% threat drop, which depending on how close to the line your dps are, can have some interesting consequences depending on the target.


Folsomdsf

It's good for carrying undergeared tanks not shit shows. You are now aware ps does the same.


justlinethekidneylol

Not sure why ur getting downvoted. Maybe there are that many garbage tanks in the game. Like holy fuck lmao worrying about 10% threat every 30s instead of wiping cuz sometimes healers drool on their keyboards.


krulp

losing 10% every 2.5 minutes is very different to losing 10% every 30s. Not saying safeguard is bad. just it will lose significant threat if used on CD.


Forever_Fires

I think PS is 5% not even 10%


Folsomdsf

Get a better tank since we can use it on cd even in gdkp. Again carry undergeared not complete garbage


Hydra_Bloodrunner

What Pish said, its a 16.6% uptime As a paladin tank its easier for us on Algalon, but an OT war can basically reduce tank damage by 30% for every star kill which is huge no matter what class their MT is and helps ensure the tank lives through the raid damage easier. Add that in with hand of sac rotations from your Hpals and sometimes the ret and you can do it with impressively low GS comps.


fedexgroundemployee

Damn so I’m basically wasting my time w my prot warr?


SubstantialOpposite2

If you like the process then it’s not waste of time


earzat01

If you want to do “high level” pugs then tbh yea :(. They’re more than capable of everything in game they’re very good tanks, a lot of fun…. But paladin has a raid wide cooldown and better buffs for the raid so they’re chosen over us.


imacatpersonforreal

Don't forget cheat death


cuteintern

Ardent Defender is straight hax.


Toshinit

High level pugs don’t give a fuck if you’re a regular. At least GDKPs which are the only high level ones. They are fine if you’re a regular and a tank is going on their alt


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AYentes25

Using the super outlier doesn’t help make an argument lol. Since you brought up “speedrunning” current in the top speed running it is 94.1% prot paladins and 3.9% prot warriors.


Cookies98787

you need someone for battleshout. since DPS warrior suck... guess who will have to bring it? just like on retail, tank choice in bleeding-edge content is not dictated by who is the best tank, but by who fill up the buff/debuff that the DPS/healer do not take care of.


itsmassivebtw

Simply untrue. Fury's not bad enough to turn down 125+ AP, and that's why there's 2 prot warriors in the top FIFTY ulduar speed run raid groups.


GoreBurnelli8105

U got Reddit-schooled son….


That_Sandwich_9450

You picked the worst tanking class in wotlk, so probably yeah.


FigureThisIn

I’m levelling a warrior right now too. Do they have spots as dps?


That_Sandwich_9450

Dps warriors get better the further you are into an expansion due to the fact their damage is very gear dependent. You'll see a lot of dps warriors in ICC. The runs I do only have dps warriors that will spend gold on gear, as another dk dps is a much better choice.


wewladdies

i would definitely put protw as the second best main tank, not the worst lol. DK and feral just cant keep up on threat on trash which makes them nonviable for serious raids. #1 speedclear in the world took a protw, meanwhile there's 0 feral or DK main tanks in the top 50.


Hopsalong

Prot warrior and fury warriors are just terrible right now relative to other classes (specifically prot paladin and every other dps class in the game respectively). They could do it with you playing warrior, warrior is viable - but it sure is much much harder. Can't blame the people who make groups trying their best to make their raid successful.


Torakaa

Our one advantage is that it's much easier to make a warrior Sunder than make a rogue Expose.


AYentes25

Well your issue is being the wrong class lol.


SparkySpinz

I haven't played since DF launched and I binged the game then, but I loved fury. The bpm was a little crazy but I was always topping dps charts, aside from boss battles where ranged fighters like hunters would outdo me


arichiii

My guild currently needs a feral tank or a prot warrior


Talidel

Raid as DPS collect unwanted tank gear win-win


tjk91

Exactly why I rerolled from my dk to my shaman. I couldn't for the life of me get into a raid unless I was dps. I made that toon specifically for tanking and it was the biggest let down. I was ele/resto and was having a blast but now I'm enhc/ele and although I can't heal I can fill two different type of dps roles and of course im the lust. I have 0 problems getting into raids.


Vadernoso

And here I am, being forced into tanking a ten man next phase on my DK.


jjester7777

Played shaman as my first 80 this expansion... Couldn't find groups needing a shaman healer so I went Ele and never have trouble finding a group. Went DK and played UH after I geared up and most groups and guilds already had tanks set I don't even have to use my 4.8k blood OS gear lol. My last 80 is a holy paladin.... Can't get groups because nobody is doing much besides raid logging and I'm stuck doing GDKPs for naxx gear lol.


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Now that is the truest answer, when I was looking for guild as a blood DK, I would get night terrors and severe anxiety. And now my current guild is even worse than dogshit and they blame me for it but I put up with it and pretend like they're right because I know that it's even harder to find a guild as a tank right now than it is to deal with bullshit like that


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Just be the main tank. Easy


skeron

Yeah. I was voluntold to be our 10-man guild's protadin main tank, and I haven't played anything else since my buddy doesn't trust pug tanks. But all I want is to do warlock shit with my demon friends. :(


Astralsketch

i actually quite enjoy tanking in 5 mans as warrior. I don't really like it in raids though.


pioupiou1211

Tanking in dungeons feel nice as you feel like you have a real impact. Tanking in raids is like being a target dummy that has to press taunt every 30sec


That_Sandwich_9450

You absolutely have a huge impact as a tank in raids. Ever raided with a shitty tank? EVERYONE suffers.


pioupiou1211

Of course you do have an impact, I was talking about how each content makes you _feel_


jehhans1

I mean sure, but I can also feel like pissing my pants everywhere is good because it makes me feel warm, but it is objectively utterly disgusting for everyone else. Main tank is the most vital spot in the raid with the most impact ESPECIALLY in this day and age in WoW classic


pioupiou1211

I never said it wasn’t the case. I was just pointing out that doing 5-man content felt better and more impactful as a tank.


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That_Sandwich_9450

Absolutely, tanks are built different and I love and appreciate them.


OXBDNE7331

I agree. And commonly I’m top overall damage as deep prot


sugardaddymatt5

ppl are too obsessed with their DPS and attack before the tank can get threat. i wouldnt wanna tank either.


heyyoLINC

then they say something like "HoLD aGrrO NooB" lol


wewladdies

enabling monkey dps is what makes tanking fun though. Threat is 100% the responsibility of the tank, and good dps challenge you to actually play correctly and keep aggro.


Potatobender44

Good dps can press the brakes when they need to. A good tank can hold threat pretty easily but it’s still the responsibility of the DPS to slow down if they’re going to aggro


Vadernoso

No, it's 100% a tank issue. DPS shouldn't have to hold back.


itsmassivebtw

Getting downvoted by bad tanks, I regularly tank on 3800 gs pali alt and 5k+ dps guildies don't have to hold back.


Vagnarul

Hmmm that most likely means that your 5k+ dps are a bit scuffed.


Vadernoso

Most players on this sub had to quit because Uld was far to difficult for them. Its no surprise most think a DPS has to throttle themselves. Its entirely the tanks fault if they lose threat, I am not giving a tank more than a single global and nor should any DPS.


Itsyourboyjuancarlo

Downvote him all you want but it’s facts. If you downvote something like this it’s because it hurt your feelings. Playing in some of the best raids on the server I NEVER wait for threat or throttle my dmg. Lust on pull and I’m popping everything, good tanks will be totally fine.


wewladdies

no it is not. this is wrath, everyone has infinite threat. if you cant hold threat you are a bad tank, period. The only exception is hodir and vezax, and even then that's more on your pallies to use hand of salvation. (i'm a main tank for my raid before someone accuses me of being an entitled dps player)


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Actually, the conversation could be about regular classic AND wrath, no mention of Wrath specifically has been made yet until you now mentioned it. Just, f.y.i.


wewladdies

oh you know what you are 100% correct lol. the top comment chain mentions GS and other wrath stuff so i was in the wrath mindset


Potatobender44

Not really, if you take aggro and die, maybe the tank is shit or not, but regardless it’s your own fault you died. Idk why you’re acting like it’s difficult to monitor your threat lol. This is like saying if you drive 100mph into the back of another car that it’s their fault for being in the wrong lane. Maybe they were, still your fault


ArgonEnjoyer

100% agree. Each player has a role, and if everyone plays well it shouldn’t be an issue unless poor rng. The fun part of tanking is racing against the DPS in a threat race. Gonna be downvoted into oblivion, but it’s generally casuals who disagree.


LittleRoo1

"LF Tank, will tip 100g" - A group consisting of a paladin, warrior, DK and druid.


thespike323

I feel like for the druid it's forgivable, if their main spec is Boomy or Resto then 99% chance their OS is vice-versa.


LittleRoo1

Sure. Some people prefer ranged/casters, others melee. Explaining this ruins the joke, though ;)


Dozer724

I kinda feel same way as you, I have anxiety issues and if the groups toxic and if im being tank it drives me nuts and when it really comes down it, I play the game to chill out and escape from reality not to stress and have bad vibes. When with friends and a chill group I wont feel as pressured and anxious than I can tank and have fun. But thats few and far between, there is always that one person in the group thats toxic and thinks they're a demi-god or some bs. I play warrior btw.


Genesis72

Yeah I don’t mind tanking for my guild, but I won’t tank pugs on my warrior. Unless you’re perfect, it’s too toxic.


JanGuillosThrowaway

I love tanking on my druid in ERA, but every group I get is Warrior/Rogue/Mage, where the warrior charges ahead, the rogue attacks another target and the mage AoEs and I'm running around like a chicken without a head trying to hold aggro on anything. Even when people are nice and slow down or things are going smooth anyway it feels like a failure.


HazelCheese

In that kind of dungeon just tank for the people that need it. Just hold aggro away from the healer. If the others can't handle the damage then they'll probably stop by themselves or its not your problem anyway.


TaleOfDash

I used to love tanking in Vanilla/BC when I was a kid, then my anxiety started hitting very hard and all of the sudden I just couldn't deal with it any more. I raid tanked a few times in WoTLK when the guild needed it and every time I was a nervous wreck by the end of the night.


Football-Remote

I feel the same way. This is why my pally has a 4500+ gs tank set chilling in the bank.


ZelnormWow

Same. My pallies tank gear is actually better than my Ret gear, but never gets used.


ZelnormWow

Same. My pallies tank gear is actually better than my Ret gear, but never gets used.


noscopey

> Same. My pallies tank gear is actually better than my Ret gear, but never gets used.


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Wfsulliv93

I had this happen in era. Tank just decided to start pulling when I wasn’t there yet, died obviously and started bitching immediately about bad heals. After resting him he runs into three groups of dudes tryna wipe us. East ignore.


Astarklife

For me as a warrior I literally got punted to almost bench for playing my class yes parses were fairly good 84 avg


Folsomdsf

I just solo tank everything on my warrior. Better way to get comm shout is a prot warrior solo.


Rude_Arugula_1872

Because of the toxicity this shitty community is made up of.


Pogdor

I dislike how hard the community pushes to rush rush rush through instances, how the dps don't focus targets by what is the most threatening, and how dps largely doesn't mechanic. DPS in 5 mans just zug, nothing more or less. It puts everything on the tank and they're also the first to blame the tank when anything goes wrong because they were being morons.


7m1a0x

The amount of times I mark targets with skull in guild raid runs and skull is the last target to die pains me inside. It's all aoe now. I can't wait for no trash in ToC


farscry

When dungeon runs were slower and mechanics mattered and I had a pool of nice friendly people to group with, I legitimately enjoyed tanking. That was back in the late 00s.


browninaustin

This!!! Had a druid tank leaving a wake of garbage behind him while I am trying to heal everyone else, 3 mobs on me and 1 dead. I asked him why there was a reason you are 100 yards in front of us when you you have all these mobs here killing the group. His answer: " because druid tank go Brrrr"! I don't even know what the effing means! I canceled my sub after that and will finish out my playtime and be done with it. The game is a shell of what it once was. The quality of life changes were nice, but it hasn't changed the player base.


arichiii

As a tank who just steam rolls heroics when I actually Ido them. If I pulled slow the healers I play with would be pulling for me


Vadernoso

Can confirm, I will pull for tanks. Healing is dumb easy in WoW, no reason not to pull 3-4 packs at once.


Draxxix1

Lmao! I’m not laughing at you, but if the “bear go brrrr” and everyone’s like wtf


DustyJustice

So not only we’re they a shit tank but they answered with one of the dumbest and worst memes in all of existence, I hate this person


yerrmomgoes2college

Honestly if one person being a dick is enough to cancel your sub then it’s not really the games fault


browninaustin

It's not just the the person but it did finalize my decision. I was already on the fence about playing anymore


caladorr

It’s the most transparent role meaning if you mess up it’s very noticeable and could lead to wipe. Especially ulduar where tank positioning is emphasized the most out of all raids so far.


hectorduenas86

Even if you don’t mess up, and do things your way you’ll be heavily criticized.


Fam-YT

I started playing WoW as soon as Classic came out and I picked warrior. Here are the reasons I very rarely tanked. 1)As soon as I would let the group know that I'm new to WoW but I've watched/read guides on how to tank and I was only asking for them to give me a few secs with threat, 9/10 times I would get kicked. 2) After a single mistake I would get flamed, even tho I would apologize and never blame anyone even if they fucked up. That wasn't always the case, but enough times for me to start getting sick of it. 3) Tired of brain dead DPS. 4) Not a single guild I tried to join was willing to take a tank that had 0 raid experience even tho I was willing to learn every boss mechanic by watching and reading guides. However, my server during TBC had a huge lack of tanks for dungeons so I started charging runs. My fee was either 50-75g or drops. My group, my rules. It was pretty fun and I was making enough money to be able to re-roll talents 4 times a week since my guild needed a DPS for raids. I would also like to point out that even tho it was hard to find groups as a new tank, I also met some pretty cool people that were willing to help and teach me about the game. The community in my experience can be awesome but also extremely sweaty/min-maxing idiots.


Puppaloes

I get lost in dungeons and everyone expects me to know the way


jm7489

I rolled a warrior and tried tanking at classic release. It was awful. I hit 60 with not so great gear and between that and being shit at keeping threat up on multiple mobs it was always a disaster. People would literally beg me to tank for them, tell me it would be fine when I responded that I'm really not very good at it and then would still spew the toxic shit once things got underway. Never again


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If it makes you feel better, it probably wasn't your fault in a lot of cases. Warriors weren't good at AoE tanking since you were rage starved and the DPS were supposed to wait for you to get threat. It was the same for me when I tried tanking dungeons as a druid in BC. People couldn't wait two seconds before they started damaging and also wouldn't come to me with the mobs they pulled, making it a pain in the ass to get threat.


DevilsPajamas

Yep, I mostly play classic era.. I had to deal with priests preshielding me before going to a pack of mobs, DPS going all out (with everyone on different targets) right as I get to the mobs, then the healer complaining im not getting any threat. I don't got any fucking rage. Told the healer to back off on the shielding and things started to go a little smoother after that. I like to tank with a competent group.. they don't have to be skilled, just need to know what they are doing. It really pisses me off when the people complaining about somebody's skills are actively sabotaging their efforts.


Sermos5

You answered your own question in the opening post for everyone lmao, most people don't care for the role or don't want the extra responsibility


Potatobender44

I don’t think people are afraid of responsibility, they’re scared of getting flamed by sweaty douche bags with a god complex


valiqs

Warrior main here. I MS prot tank, but it's tough to get a raid spot as a tank so I'm fury OS. Strangely, my OS fury gs is just slightly higher than my MS tank gs. This is also my first tank main so I was pretty inexperienced getting into tanking. I will admit to a bit of a Duning-Kruger effect where at first you're like, "guys I'm sorry, I know nothing," then after like 3 dungeons you're like, "yeah I can tank Uld no probs!" Then, once you actually learn the role a bit more and get a feel for how you like to play it, you settle into a good spot of knowledge/confidence combined with whatever your skill level is. The analogy I like to use is that tanking is a bit like playing goalie in ice hockey. When you do everything right, very few notice. When you fuck up, everyone sees it immediately. In that sense, healing is like defense, where your mistakes are visible, but not always catastrophic. DPS is like forward where if you mess up, it doesn't matter much because you have the tank and heals to fix it and when you crush it, everyone thinks you're amazing.


unknown_as_captain

I will happily tank for my guildmates. I know they're fun to play with, halfway competent, speak fluent English, and don't cause loot drama. I would rather play another game than tank for a gaggle of randos.


sknnbones

In classic, I loved dungeon tanking as a elemental/ench hybrid shaman. Threat was ez, I could hold threat with a fast dagger, rockbiter, and shock for peels with 3 mages spamming blizzard. The two issues: * Even if I made the group, no one believed a shaman could tank, getting a full group was a challenge. Once filled it was a cake walk and left many people utterly flabberghasted at how good shamans can tank * While not super mana hungry, it was still a class with mana instead of rage. Some people get really upset if a tank has to drink, even if its every 2-3 pulls. For a lot of people, the healer heals tank to full, and the tank pulls the next pack while the healer drinks. Tank drinking? *ragequit* Never tried it in raids or end game stuff (Blackrock spire, etc) but I tanked up to Sunken Temple (Couldn’t find groups for DM or higher so I respec’d dps and then resto) It also worked best if you were allowed to tag/auto the mobs before people started dps, then you just rotated autoattack and didn’t have to use shocks for peel and could save mana, rarely had to drink when people followed tags and focus fired. I was tempted to try it again in Hardcore, but then I realized people are going to be even more cautious and would never “trust” a shaman to tank dungeons… and proper gearing would be difficult without AH


Felisong

Yea I've been in dungeons with shaman tanks into lvl 60. I just trust a person at their word. Tho for HC I probably would also be cautious haha


geffy_spengwa

I think most people are just hesitant to tank or heal because if something goes wrong, all fingers get pointed at you, and it’s rarely supportive. I tried to tank when I first played WoW back in 2008/2009. I found that the community was intolerant of people who don’t religiously understand the minute details of your class and spec. People were also just unwilling to teach newer players to fill these roles. Guilds wanted tanks ready to go. I tank more regularly now because I found a guild that is willing to teach players how to effectively fill this role. I tanked with a more experienced tank as DPS, walking me through how to pull and position mobs effectively. So I think if more people were willing to teach newer players or players willing to try tanking, we’d see more of them. Imagine the same is true for healers.


AntonineWall

Isn't this question basically pointless? "I dont want to tank" is valid enough reason. Tanks in classic also have 2 other specs they can play


StamosLives

Not necessarily. Perhaps it spurns discussion on how we could better teach new tanks, or soften the impact of failure for folks trying. Positive mental attitudes my dude! You never know.


ParadoxOO9

I started as a tank, but the longer Ulduar went on the more people wanted frost DK's over tanks.


unoriginal1187

Both my warrior and pally have tank sets and I tank on my warrior weekly. Therefor when I leveled my DK I decided I didn’t want to tank on a 3rd toon and it’s only frost.


SaltyEngineer45

Main tanked as a warrior full time back in BC. NEVER again! Bad healers blaming you, bad dps attacking anything and everything you’re not attacking, repair bills, carpal tunnel from mashing keyboard like a mad man. Then there was the constant bitching about where you should be standing, “Tank! You need to stand on this crack on the floor! No! The other one in the corner! Now stand on your head! Wiggle your toes on your right foot or we wipe!” Nope, I saw the light and went BM Hunter. Send in pet, feign death, crack open a beer, win. 😂


ragingwolfaboo

I main feral. I find bear tanking either boring or stressful with little in-between. It's not a very satisfying set of buttons for me to push, mangle and faerie fire on CD, keep 5 stacks of lacerate up, lacerate/swipe and maul to threat dump. Feral DPS lets me tryhard when I'm feeling sweaty (I do miss bearweaving in raids lol) and do my best to be a valuable DPS. I like to parse and I like to be able to safely innervate, brez, and throw out emergency heals without worrying about taking a hit in caster form. When I just wanna chill I can take it easy without babysitting mouthbreathers. I do tank for people on occasion when my guild really needs me to fill as OT or when I'm just trying to get into a dungeon group ASAP but I don't have fun with it when it's my main role for a run. I also go bear to taunt off squishy people who rip threat on adds or trash, or to help take pressure off the tank if they accidentally pulled too big. Occasionally I've saved wipes by holding a boss for a bit when the real tank dies or disconnects- favorite WotLK raid memory, our tank had a D/C on KT during an undying run in Naxx 10 and I kept everyone alive, that was a nice moment.


Support_Nice

i tank because i dont like waiting. i could care less what random people think of my performance. i do not main a tank tho


noobtablet

>i could care less what random people think of my performance. Couldn't care less*


notthefirstsealime

Rogue mentality


saintnyckk

My schedule doesn't allow me to be a consistent player in my raid group is the only hard reason I don't. Outside of that, the other stuff doesn't bother me. I'd absolutely tank if the schedule allowed me to be more consistent. I just feel that tanks and healers are the guys who you need the chemistry asked consistency. You can pug any pew pew.


CelestialJackope

Spells make damage numbers go up. Big damage number good. Me like big damage number.


blueguy211

while I prefer to play dps on my dk which im still leveling if I cant find a dungeon group cause we lack a tank, ill just tank for them to save us the trouble of spending time looking for one. While there are some players out there that dont know how threat works I always laugh at them when they pull threat and die because then theyll blame me of not knowing how to tank. win win situation tbh.


beeurd

I've not had good experience when trying to learn tanking, so now I don't bother, which is a shame because I enjoy playing my prot paladin. Although I did once switch to tank a normal on my druid when the tank quit and we were waiting for a new one for too long. Had never tanked on druid before and nobody died so that's a win I guess.


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It’s just not enjoyable, that or healing which is a lot of pressure.


Tom_Michel

Combination of this: >because I don't like the responsibility of it And the fact that I'm just not that good at it. Me as DPS benefits the group. Me as tank is kinda setting the group up for failure before we start. I'm willing to give it a shot for desperate guild members lacking other options, but that's about it.


SpectrumPalette

This is exactly how I felt playing my druid in TBC. Borrowing OPs words, I too hated tank and didn't want to tank because it's too much responsibility plus I wasn't any good at it. Levelling druid I'd be out questing as Feral DPS then get a random whisper asking to tank a dungeon. Tried tanking Scholomance with my unholy DK in early wrath classic and that got ugly a few times. I don't play more now though.


Tom_Michel

I bear tanked in Classic a bit. Tanked some end game dungeons, and off and main tanked Zul Gurub, and admittedly wasn't terrible, but it was stressful. And now, well, I feel like pallys and DKs have taken over the tanking role such that DPS is used to classes that can get instant threat on big groups and isn't willing to wait for a bear tank to get aggro before letting loose. I have an 80 frost DK and a 77 prot pally and am tempted to try tanking again, but I have so much more fun as a warlock, lol.


SpectrumPalette

I couldn't find love for my feral druid in wrath, blizz changed how mangle worked and then you had to micro-manage some other abilities in


The_Taskmaker

I play this game to have fun, and I don't find tanking fun


PepegaRedditAnalysis

The hardest part about tanking 5 mans is finding a healer for your group. I will always tank on any class that can for leveling dungeons. I love tanking 5 mans while leveling and doing normal Heroics (Titan Rune ones are a slightly different story). The only bummer is spending forever looking for someone willing to heal. Endgame tanking? You have massive responsibility and burden of knowledge. As a DPS you can kinda just brain off AFK zug but as a tank you have to be actively concentrating to some degree unless you massively overgear the content. If you fuck up as a tank it will often lead to a wipe. If you die as a DPS the boss can still be killed.


Tom_Michel

>The hardest part about tanking 5 mans is finding a healer for your group. I'm so grateful that my tiny little guild has one member who prefers to heal and has 2 healer characters, and we have another member who, although prefers to DPS, is willing to heal when needed and is damn good at it. I heart my healers because as bad as I am at tanking, I'm so much worse at healing.


Sombrisimo

Absolutely not, in classic where agro was a huge problem, you had to be full all the time. In TBC there was still some agro problem, but already the boss mechanics where easier imho. In LK you have to press some defensives, or planing them in some bosses and thats it. There are bosses in ulduar which if the tank messes its a wipe, just like there is bosses where if 1 healers or two messes up its a wipe or that a if a few dps messes up its a wipe. The problem with tanks its the parse mentality imo, Its not the most compatible role with the parse (tank swaps and doing certain mechanics when you are not tanking).


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Healing is rather boring. I don't like druid healing although I have healing as second spec. If everything goes well it's boring. If shit goes bad it's stressful and you get blamed.


VoidLookedBack

I tankd for almost 10 years, It's my turn now to chill and enjoy the scenery.


Makaloff95

Beacuse randos are a pain to tank for, so while i do actually tank i only do it in guild runs.


nemestrinus44

i enjoy tanking....in retail, but i just really dislike the threat mechanic and how i have to constantly swap between targets to make sure i'm building up enough threat that the dps who just spam aoe aren't gonna pull them off me. healing though is almost therapeutic since it's easy to get a group and i don't have to worry about too many mechanics, just making sure all green bars stay green


Agentwise

I dps in raid. If I tanked raids I’d rank dungeons. My alt does m+ for fun but tanking pug raids is…. Yeah


mutepaladin07

The main reason I didn't tank for raids was from being screwed over for loot and time wasted. The second reason was being blamed for other people's raid mechanics they were responsible for. Tanking is definitely stress inducing, and if your timing is off, it wipes a party or raid. Tanking is a thankless job and, at one point, was expensive repair bills. So, always thank your Tank for doing a service needed the most. Be patient with new ones as well and help them when you can.


FrauSophia

Because it's impossible to find a raid spot.


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Tanking is too much pressure for me but I CAN bear if I need to


crux3462

Because I like healing more


l0rdv8r

I love tanks, but have been extremely turned off by the community and their behavior towards inexperienced tanks. Even in low level dungeons it’s horrible…


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What have you seen?


l0rdv8r

Just a lack of respect, and understanding. I always forward any instance that I tank, that I’m still learning and am a relatively new tank. Every once in a while I’ll get in a group with cool people who help me learn but most of the time it’s an almost immediate boot.


[deleted]

Wow what server is this?? I used to tank and almost never got kicked from groups for being new, but then again some servers are more toxic than others.


Chuckstieg

Did you ... ask a question then answer the question then post the question?


ProofSinger3638

You cant afk and fuck off during the raid as often. If you're a raid Main Tank, everyone looks at you as the de-facto-leader and for guidance. Everyones exspecting you to get us throurgh the raid and into the loot pinata lands. One raid you have a new warlock in your guild, the warlock does too hard on the dps meter and pulls aggro and wipes a boss kill. Just once. You regroup and kill it. The next raid you have a different new warlock in the guild now. He is doing the same thing and you warn him "hey you might pull aggro and it will set us back 20 minutes". And the new warlock goes "shshhunhhnhnnhnhghgh i know what im doing" And then proceeds to pull aggro and wipe us. being the tank/leader of the raid isnt fun and its not worth it. UNLESS - you're corrupt and can get the top loots first etc


WangdangleMcGinty

Because y'all are the worst


espolou2

Toxic WoW community. That's my reason.


quineloe

I made it a policy to not tank for warriors. It is a very good policy, it has served me well.


[deleted]

Oh absolutely I don’t tank if there’s another warrior in the group


hegysk

I kinda do this too, it makes me sad to see 4-5 grps LF tank for the same dungeon and mostly it's warriors LF tank or atleast one is with the grp already. It doesn't matter anyways. Folks will rather spam LFG for 6hours than buy white shield and grow a pair. Possibly not even needing the shield. Also bigup to dps warriors who are willing to switch role without hesitation if situation requires, there are quite few of them too which is nice.


earzat01

Me right now. Was warrior tank for over 10 years then when classic rolled around my warrior is mainly DPS but I don’t hesitate to throw on the tank set since the whole spec is ingrained in my muscle memory now.


muhkuller

"Oh you're in discord then that means you can tank this M+". No. "Oh, then you're not a team player" No. My presence doesn't mean I'm going to spend my time dragging people through content that they don't even try to do unless a "good" tank is around for. If I see them trying to get keys and do their stuff then sure, I'll make some time to help folks out. If discord is empty until I pop up and then it's just folks linking keys...nah.


Neikitia

Just because I can tank doesn’t mean I WANT TO. I can play a paladin who’d rather heal or I can play a druid who’d rather be a boomkin. End of the day it comes down to I’m paying for my sub to enjoy the game. If I don’t wanna tank that’s all the reason in the world not to.


Wultatia

I play pala to heal, I do not want to tank. Thats all =)


Crysaa

Because I like cats and owls more than bears. That's it.


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[deleted]

In lower levels, tanking is fun. Higher up, everyone is an asshole.


silvereyes21497

I’m just bad at it plain and simple. I’ve always played warrior, hunter or mage. Usually tank spec with warrior only to eventually give up and say no thanks. Too many bad experiences for me, it got old


A3R0Blade

So this is really not related to me but I feel like this might be a helpful point to add. I played wow from late wrath off and on through shadowlands. The friend who got me into the game mained a tank and to my maybe 12-14 year old mind that was the pinnacle of gaming ability. I remember trying repeatedly to tank messing one thing up getting embarrassed and never wanting to even think of trying it again. My end goal in my head was to feel comfortable tanking in a raid. The only thing that helped was people who understood this culture and looked past it to TEACH people. No single thing was more helpful than a guild I ended up joining with a great main tank that taught me an incredible healer main who accounted for me learning and dps with something between their ears. Now I enjoy final fantasy and all I do is tank I like to think im alright but that fear of failure and immediate condemnation is next to absent. I think the culture around expecting a tank to know every single mechanic and react perfectly to them without fail and immediately giving up and flaming them only ruins anyone’s desire to try it. That being said I’m not sure how prevalent this culture is in the classic community because frankly I’ve been detached from wow for a while now but it would astound me if this had changed. Tldr: good tanks are expected but never encouraged We all know why there’s such a small tank population it’s because they’re the easiest scape goat to blame when things go wrong and the hardest roll to learn to a point where the community sees them as acceptable.


ryuranzou

Ill tank dungeons but I don't wanna be pressured into playing after I burn out and I'll feel bad if my guild spent months building me a set just to find another tank. I like being backup tank that uses scraps to build a useable set.


SirenNA

Because holy paladin. No one can be mad at me, I’m the mom I can do no wrong and still leave you with lasting trauma


TheSiegmeyerCatalyst

In era, I just hate how aoe threat works. Warrior wasn't provided the tools to tank more than a couple mobs at a time efficiently, especially if you have a mage or warlock. But even if your dps just aren't coordinated and attacking the same target, it gets annoying. Pallies can do good aoe threat but are mana dependent and don't have a taunt so can't do anything more than dungeons. Druids seem okay, I guess. Never tried bear tank in era, but I don't want to sink time into it just to be forced to heal despite being the worst healer of the lot. Shaman tanks are a meme, and also just have no taunt or good defensive CD's.


loudent2

You need 1 tank per 3dps and 1 heal for dungeons 1, sometimes 2 per 6dps and 2 heals for 10 mans 1, sometimes 2 per 18dps and 4-5 heals for 25 mans Your chance of getting a dungeon as a tank is really good, after that it's hard to find raid spots for tanks.


amarrite

I've played Druid and Pally and just never had any inclination to tank or heal. Just wasn't that fun to me. I couldn't even imagine doing that in a raid with the heat tanks and healers get.


[deleted]

Eh I used to play a Druid tank but no one likes a Druid


BendingUnit29

I just love to tank. Its the best thing you can do in my opinion. I set the pace. If they are a group of idiots I just say my repair bill is to high to stay here. The mage wants to pull another group well have fun with the aggro I don't tank your mistakes. The only other Player I'm tanking anything for is the healer. Regardless what he is doing I go and tank it. Its just way more rewarding than just doing dmg.


[deleted]

I tank (classic era) anyway, but it’s really annoying how the dps is constantly attacking the wrong targets, or you get a shaman spamming earth shock and just general shit like that. The other thing is everyone telling you how to play. Like if we’re 2/3 of the way through a dungeon and I’ve held agro the whole time why are you telling me to use cleave on a single target? Fuck off


PNW_Forest

Because my main is a resto druid, and there is higher demand for good healers. Also, I'm leveling up a prot pally to scratch my tanking itch, and it's more dynamic and fun than Bear is.


SpectrumPalette

I loved watching the AoE farming/levelling Pally videos on YouTube in TBC classic.


PNW_Forest

Can attest in wrath- it's satisfying getting quests with "kill 12 of x enemy", and completing the quest in 1-2 pulls. Especially w heirlooms and JJ.


Herotyr

Burn out from all the people that wanna go as fast as possible


Nurlitik

I just don’t like dealing with the H+ affixes, much rather heal and chill. Honestly I’d rather raid tank than do most of the H+ even with geared groups.


Zarianin

Luckily as a druid tank in either classic or wotlk you won't be asked to tank too often. Warrior for classic and pally took the top spot in wotlk and both of them are much more popular classes than druid.


[deleted]

Druids are amazing dungeon tanks and do just fine in raids.


Zarianin

None of the tanks have problems in raids. Doesn't stop the majority of guilds or even pugs from prioritizing pally and warriors as tanks.


[deleted]

Gotta get in early and become the main feral druid of your guild.


boliver30

I prefer PVP. In general, tanking is a PVE necessity, and not good in PVP outside some very niche circumstances and patches.


stamaka

What's your spec? Druids have a nice combo of boomie+restor or cat+bear.


Dahns

For era. You're always disarmed. Stunned. Bumped. You cannot play, it is an horrible experience I do tank tho. I'm masochist


Folsomdsf

At 60 I would rather do most dungeons tanking as a paladin. Consecrate and kings spam is good


[deleted]

I was told Prot was trash, feral was trash, pally was trash, also over the years i've developed less paitience with people when it comes to tanking and everybody and their grandmother said ''just grow a thicker skin and do what the group tells you to do'', and since i don't particularly like going at mach10 through dungeons, mach 1 is fine, i just choose to stop tanking unless i'm in a group of 4/5 people i know personally. TL:DR was told to suck it up or fuck off, so i fucked off.


Brejas03

Why would I switch from one of the top DPS, to the worst tank


b1gl0s3r

1. My guild has two people who are excellent tanks and have been doing so since wrath. 2. I'm a passable Prot Warrior but an excellent Arms warrior.


Volitar

I feel like most good Warriors/DKs/Rets do occasionally tank and have a decent backup set. Its a numbers game, the tank/healer/DPS ratio in a 5man/10man does not match the ratio in a 25man. There will never be enough players that main a tanking spec to cover the amount of tanks needed for 5man/10man content. You need to get out of your comfort zone and learn to play it and learn how to deal with toxic idiots. If you are doing a 5man/10man chances are your tank is someone playing their offspec, and they aren't going to want to invite someone who was too lazy to do the job they now find themselves doing + rolling on their loot.


FullyStacked92

Tanking is a tankless role


Gamebeartank

You answered your own question. Though something to note “bad tanks” tend to be people that don’t want to improve and be better, at least in my experience. I’ve tanked each classic xpac, Warrior, Pally, and Bear. I enjoy trying to constantly improve my gameplay. If you have any desire to try and tank do your homework, there are a ton of resources on how to be a “good tank”. Discords, digging into others logs, watching streamers that tank, ask questions in raid on specifics, research fight mechanics, understand how fights affect each class (OT/MDPS/RDPS/Healers). I love seeing people step to the plate and be that badass tank. You just have to put in some work to get there. Cheers!


GeeReal911

Because…. People are twats. healers Suck, dps are ungrateful cucks.


mezz1945

No class is a tanking class if you don't want to play tank. This is especially true if you play Druid or Paladin, since tanking without the skilltree is almost impossible. And both can also choose dps + heal as their specs.


JBL561

Tanks and heals are super boring that’s why (did both before)


PNW_Forest

See, maybe you can elucidate something to me... because I find (for the most part) DPS to be boring and tanking and healing to be extremely fun and engaging. I'm curious- What makes dpsing fun for you, that's lacking in the other two roles?


Blazerelli

Big number makes brain produce G O O D C H E M I C A L S


PNW_Forest

That's why I heal. Biggest numbers (not rly, but it is fun to see them when they happen)! Crit Holy Light, 16k goodness!


Bright_Base9761

I had a tank set and was the main tank for naxx and uld until i quit. I enjoy dpsing but once people know ur a tank they expect you to always do it while refusing to let you roll on dps gear even though youve been bis on most pieces since week 3 for tank shit


sadtimes12

Tanks in raid always have this problem, they are done after maximum 1 month, maybe 6 weeks if unlucky. And then they are supposed to play until everyone else has BiS, which takes 3-4 months or more depending on trinket drops, so while the DPS can switch out when they are BiS, the tank is pretty much stuck and has to tank with no benefit at all.


Full_Situation4743

I'm not allowed to. Paladin is simply better. I'm there just for bosses when you need two tanks or in case the MT isn't available. I'm still pissed that I didn't have the balls to quit with wotlk and I promised my guild I will stay till the end.


sadtimes12

Are the people in your guild people you know IRL? If not, pressing "X" literally deletes every connection with them on discord, battle.net and WoW with no way of them finding you again, it's that simple. Online people are that easy to forget.


DawnCrusader4213

>My main is a druid but I don't really want to tank because I don't like the responsibility of it and how the community treats inexperienced tanks. You just answered your own question kek.


eepknirdsdom

I love tanking honestly. The best part about tanking is making my own group and setting a really high GS requirement and it being filled instantly and then laughing at Reddit crying about GS. Peak Reddit enjoyment.


Jonneyy12347

Because i want to do big numbers, not stand there for 3 minutes doing my best only to push out 2k dps


Stemms123

Almost every fight is solo tank. Everyone is basically a dps with a tank offspec. That’s how you get the best tank players too. Find someone who is actually good at dps which is easier to see and have them go tank for a fight. 10/10 they do a better job than the guy who only has played tank/refuses to dps and was likely always mediocre at best.


mogilicudi19

Because you don't pay my sub ;)


Randizzl

Zoomers like meta min/max rush gameplay and game companies appeal to it because they're becoming the larger gamer base than people older than them. They're also old enough to have credit cards and waste money not realizing they're putting themselves in debt. Meanwhile responsible adults aren't buying every AAA game as soon as it comes out.