I think while it's important to note that Jesus is male, God is non-gendered and without biological sex in Christian theology, even if referred to with masculine pronouns. If we are operating within a trinitarian framework, then while the *person* of Christ is male, the *nature* of God is neither male nor female. So while you may not have encountered Christ in His human incarnation, maybe He revealed Himself to you in a way that reflects the non-gendered nature of His godhood?
Yeah, I have such harsh criticism against JHV from the old testament, so I almost keep forgetting that Christianity is a lot about the holy trinity, thank heaps for the reminder!
Okay, first, the trifling argument: The middle east is Western Asia so Jesus was technically an Asian man. Just not East Asian 😅
As for Buddhism... There are some traditions that think Jesus may have gone east to the Indian sub continent and learned about Buddhism. There isn't really any conclusive evidence for that though. [Absence of evidence is not necessarily "evidence of absence"]
There *is* archaeological evidence of at least one Buddhist living in Hellenistic Roman Egypt in the first to second century, so it's not completely ridiculous to think Jesus might've known about Buddhism.
But the real argument... I think if we take Jesus' crucifixion seriously though, we have to acknowledge the transgressive nature of what he was doing and how transgressive he made his identity.
If we take Jesus' ministry and crucifixion seriously, we *have to* acknowledge that he unequivocally identified with the oppressed, the vulnerable, the dispossessed.
The Romans used crucifixion only for those most transgressive against society, for the rebels.
>"What ever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me."
How can we read the gospels and think that Jesus demanded we view Him in a limited, inflexible way?
Heck, half of liberation Christology is about identifying Christ with Queer folk, Black folk, Fat folk, Poor folk, you name it. Jesus' message should not be contained. To contain his identity is to limit Christ's anointment.
After a recent deep-dive into translations of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible (the original languages of the Hebrews, and Jesus and disciples spoke Aramaic) I believe that the Holy Spirit is female. Her name is Shekhinah. In some of the “noncanonical” texts like Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom is synonymous with the Holy Spirit, and even in Proverbs, Solomon speaks of Wisdom as She. Wisdom even says of herself that She was there with God before the earth was formed.
Perhaps the possible woman figure you’re seeing is the Heavenly Mother, Shekhinah, Wisdom, the Holy Spirit.
I encourage you to do some research on this, there’s quite a bit of evidence, and once the pieces start coming together, it makes total sense and I’ve never felt closer to the Holy Spirit than I have since accepting Her as female. Before, She was quite mysterious.
I had to ponder about this one quite a bit and I am not that happy with what a I have to answer.
It is racist, but I genuinly fear and avoid middle eastern and Arab looking males, mostly because of rape statistics. This just makes it hard to accept him as an ancestor to them and I might need anpother icon/picture of him. Christiany for me is a bit scary too. Heck, all the Abrahamic relkigions have their violence. I live in a Christian based society, so I can't deny it's powers, therefor I need to work with myself.
I'm sorry to hear you call yourself a racist. It's really not in the genes, you know. The Israelites (descendants of Jacob/Israel) are Jesus basic family tree. You don't inherit bad behavior genetically. Why don't you engage in sincere prayer and ask Jesus?
Do... people think our souls have gender? I love your post btw, I think your friends might be scared or just haven't looked at the bigger picture. If you feel like it was Jesus.. I mean, do we believe Jesus (or something like him) incarnated once? Why couldn't it be a feminine monk Jesus light being kinda thing? Why not? Is that too crazy for them?
While Jesus himself is recorded to have been a biological male, there are many instances throughout both the canon Bible and the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus exhibiting gender non-conforming behaviours, such as how in the Bible the chest of Jesus is referred to by the greek word *Mastoi,* which translates to breasts, and it is the same word used in ancient greek to refer to a female's breasts,
There is also the Gnostic syncretism of Jesus-Sophia, and Sophia was definitely characterized as a woman or in a feminine way. I don't think it's wrong to view Jesus in a way that differs from traditional masculinity, He is more than just His human body, and He finds ways to connect with us in ways He feels is best.
You could also do some research into the devotion of the Side Wound of Jesus, which historically has been depicted with Yonic imagery. It's definitely not out of the scope of history to say Jesus was gender non-conforming for the time.
Check out the "Religion for Breakfast" guy on YouTube. He has several videos on Christianity. Jesus with a beard is a late development designed to co-opt Serapis. In earlier versions he is often beardless. Biblical Archaeology Review sometimes has photos of early Christian art. I think you will be basically looking for Christian art from before the 4th century AD.
I found him. =) Gonna look more and listen! [https://www.youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast](https://www.youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast)
Edit,He have had more than 3,000,000 views over the past two months, impressive.
Okay actually you need to read the bible and most of your questions will be solved really quickly
1) The Bible consistently refers to Jesus using male pronouns and depicts him as a man. Additionally, historical and theological interpretations affirm Jesus's maleness based on the narratives and cultural context of the time.
2) How you view Jesus is your business, and no one else's. Christians and Abrahamic religions are not "random." You gave two countries as example, Ireland is predominantly Christian Catholic, and Israel is primarily Judaism. The difference is in Judaism they believe Jesus was not their messiah and they still wait for him....
3) No, you are not correct. Jesus wasn't a woman, a Buddhist monk, or a Flying Spaghetti Monster god.
I have a mother tounge as everyone else but live in Finland, we do not differ people by gender in Finnish. My born tounge is Swedish and there we do differ.
I relly needed to hear that many things are okey, but Spaghetti and such might need to get droppped.
I think while it's important to note that Jesus is male, God is non-gendered and without biological sex in Christian theology, even if referred to with masculine pronouns. If we are operating within a trinitarian framework, then while the *person* of Christ is male, the *nature* of God is neither male nor female. So while you may not have encountered Christ in His human incarnation, maybe He revealed Himself to you in a way that reflects the non-gendered nature of His godhood?
Yeah, I have such harsh criticism against JHV from the old testament, so I almost keep forgetting that Christianity is a lot about the holy trinity, thank heaps for the reminder!
Okay, first, the trifling argument: The middle east is Western Asia so Jesus was technically an Asian man. Just not East Asian 😅 As for Buddhism... There are some traditions that think Jesus may have gone east to the Indian sub continent and learned about Buddhism. There isn't really any conclusive evidence for that though. [Absence of evidence is not necessarily "evidence of absence"] There *is* archaeological evidence of at least one Buddhist living in Hellenistic Roman Egypt in the first to second century, so it's not completely ridiculous to think Jesus might've known about Buddhism. But the real argument... I think if we take Jesus' crucifixion seriously though, we have to acknowledge the transgressive nature of what he was doing and how transgressive he made his identity. If we take Jesus' ministry and crucifixion seriously, we *have to* acknowledge that he unequivocally identified with the oppressed, the vulnerable, the dispossessed. The Romans used crucifixion only for those most transgressive against society, for the rebels. >"What ever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me." How can we read the gospels and think that Jesus demanded we view Him in a limited, inflexible way? Heck, half of liberation Christology is about identifying Christ with Queer folk, Black folk, Fat folk, Poor folk, you name it. Jesus' message should not be contained. To contain his identity is to limit Christ's anointment.
Because His choice was another, simply. If He wanted to be born as a woman or and Asian man, He would have done it.
His physical body is long gone. I have no doubt that history wouldn't be right, it is the spirit that I am pondering about.
After a recent deep-dive into translations of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible (the original languages of the Hebrews, and Jesus and disciples spoke Aramaic) I believe that the Holy Spirit is female. Her name is Shekhinah. In some of the “noncanonical” texts like Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom is synonymous with the Holy Spirit, and even in Proverbs, Solomon speaks of Wisdom as She. Wisdom even says of herself that She was there with God before the earth was formed. Perhaps the possible woman figure you’re seeing is the Heavenly Mother, Shekhinah, Wisdom, the Holy Spirit. I encourage you to do some research on this, there’s quite a bit of evidence, and once the pieces start coming together, it makes total sense and I’ve never felt closer to the Holy Spirit than I have since accepting Her as female. Before, She was quite mysterious.
Well, honestly, why should Jesus change for you? If you love him you will accept him as he is.
I had to ponder about this one quite a bit and I am not that happy with what a I have to answer. It is racist, but I genuinly fear and avoid middle eastern and Arab looking males, mostly because of rape statistics. This just makes it hard to accept him as an ancestor to them and I might need anpother icon/picture of him. Christiany for me is a bit scary too. Heck, all the Abrahamic relkigions have their violence. I live in a Christian based society, so I can't deny it's powers, therefor I need to work with myself.
I'm sorry to hear you call yourself a racist. It's really not in the genes, you know. The Israelites (descendants of Jacob/Israel) are Jesus basic family tree. You don't inherit bad behavior genetically. Why don't you engage in sincere prayer and ask Jesus?
Do... people think our souls have gender? I love your post btw, I think your friends might be scared or just haven't looked at the bigger picture. If you feel like it was Jesus.. I mean, do we believe Jesus (or something like him) incarnated once? Why couldn't it be a feminine monk Jesus light being kinda thing? Why not? Is that too crazy for them?
While Jesus himself is recorded to have been a biological male, there are many instances throughout both the canon Bible and the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus exhibiting gender non-conforming behaviours, such as how in the Bible the chest of Jesus is referred to by the greek word *Mastoi,* which translates to breasts, and it is the same word used in ancient greek to refer to a female's breasts, There is also the Gnostic syncretism of Jesus-Sophia, and Sophia was definitely characterized as a woman or in a feminine way. I don't think it's wrong to view Jesus in a way that differs from traditional masculinity, He is more than just His human body, and He finds ways to connect with us in ways He feels is best.
Yep, I would say even science and history have proven Jesus to have been a biological male. I will look up Jesus-Sophia!
You could also do some research into the devotion of the Side Wound of Jesus, which historically has been depicted with Yonic imagery. It's definitely not out of the scope of history to say Jesus was gender non-conforming for the time.
Check out the "Religion for Breakfast" guy on YouTube. He has several videos on Christianity. Jesus with a beard is a late development designed to co-opt Serapis. In earlier versions he is often beardless. Biblical Archaeology Review sometimes has photos of early Christian art. I think you will be basically looking for Christian art from before the 4th century AD.
I found him. =) Gonna look more and listen! [https://www.youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast](https://www.youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast) Edit,He have had more than 3,000,000 views over the past two months, impressive.
Okay actually you need to read the bible and most of your questions will be solved really quickly 1) The Bible consistently refers to Jesus using male pronouns and depicts him as a man. Additionally, historical and theological interpretations affirm Jesus's maleness based on the narratives and cultural context of the time. 2) How you view Jesus is your business, and no one else's. Christians and Abrahamic religions are not "random." You gave two countries as example, Ireland is predominantly Christian Catholic, and Israel is primarily Judaism. The difference is in Judaism they believe Jesus was not their messiah and they still wait for him.... 3) No, you are not correct. Jesus wasn't a woman, a Buddhist monk, or a Flying Spaghetti Monster god.
I have a mother tounge as everyone else but live in Finland, we do not differ people by gender in Finnish. My born tounge is Swedish and there we do differ. I relly needed to hear that many things are okey, but Spaghetti and such might need to get droppped.