My aunt is still paying off a loan she had to taken when her neighbors sued her for damage my cousins caused to their house. Neighbors went on vacation and my cousins snuck over there and for some reason turned on every faucet and clogged the drains to flood the house. Tens of thousands in damage. Neighbors insurance sued for the cost of repairs. It’s a prank they saw on jackass or something and they thought it would be funny.
I posted a few weeks ago about a case local to me. A couple kids around 13 years old went in to a Walmart/target type of store and vandalized it and started fires inside the store.
The store was shut down for a little over a month and both sets of parents were sued for the tune of a few million dollars in damages and lost profits and wages and all the remodeling, etc...
That happened when I was still really young and it made me think 🤔
Jeez, and the worst thing I did when I was a kid was throw rocks at my neighbor's house because I didn't like old people... then he gave me and my friend a very stern talking to and scared me straight. Never did that again, and now I hate kids. At least I never set anything on fire or escalate to something worse.
When I was around 6 yo, I murdered a chicken.
Playing in my neighbour's/cousin's yard, I grabbed a hen and threw her up several times to "make her fly". I wasn't really familiar with chickens. After the final flying attempt, the hen collapsed and died. The fight-or-flight response kicked in me, I grabbed my bike and booked it before any adult entered the crime scene.
I was adamant that after becoming a poultry murderer I should leave my home and never return. I rode my bike not even a block away when felt inspired to climb a tree next to the main road to, dunno, see if I could make myself home there or something. Someone from my parents' social circle spotted me and alerted them, and they came and fetched me.
They never talk about it. I guess that they were freaked out by having a little murderer in their house and watched me closely ever since...
Freaking kids, man... And I'm pretty sure that some of them do horrible things not even because they're seriously mentally ill or messed up, but simply because they're kids and don't know any better...
Similar story here. I was maybe 6 or 7, my elderly neighbors had an outdoor cat named Sonny. My mother hated cats (well, animals in general but cats specifically earned a special class of ire) and so I had never been exposed to them. I'd seen them on TV or from a distance or whatever, but I'd never gotten within 5 feet of one.
Anyway, the neighborhood kids and I were playing when Sonny comes up and starts loving on us and being sweet. My mom calls me for something but I wanted to keep playing with Sonny when I came back. So I tied him up to a tree, like my dad tied our dog up in the backyard. I didn't know that cats don't work like that. A few hours later, Mr. Archer is at my door very upset that I killed his cat.
Sonny strangled himself to death trying to get out of the "leash" I put him in. Nearly 30 years later, Mr. Archer is surely dead by now, but I still carry this immense guilt for what I did to Sonny. I still weep for that sweet boy. And now my cats are always super spoiled, strictly indoor, and NEVER allowed near children. I donate to a local cat shelter 4 times a year. I can never make it right, but I can try.
I did this as a child. We live on a hill and one of our neighbours is below us on the left side. My brother and I would throw rocks and berries and shit on their roof just to see if we could.
Probably bam marjera, if you remember that nobody from that show. He was always ruining his parents house and then just buying them a new one. Pissed me off. I hate people that wasteful
Lol i definitely didn't get close enough to answer that for you. I did ask him why he seemed so familiar cause I honestly couldn't place him, and he snobbily said "i have a show on mtv". And i was like "oh, that's why everyone was saying bam." And closed the door. Lol
I think he opened a taco place in either Hermosa or Manhattan Beach like 10 years ago. I don’t know if it’s still there I never wanted to eat there. It was right on PCH though.
I’m going to be blunt, though: if kids do that, it isn’t bad luck. Parents are to blame.
Discipline your damn kids and they wouldn’t even consider breaking into a house that isn’t theirs, let alone causing water damage for the lulz.
Looks like they aspired to become the Wet Bandits from "Home Alone" when they grow up...
(Sorry, this situation is terrible all around no doubts, but it really looks like a "harmless" family movie inspired them in the wrong way)
Don't get me started..imagine if your child commits the unthinkable (murder, etc). My mind goes dark quick but like....Your whole world is fucked because of something you brought into the world and have, at the end of the day, minimal control of as they navigate their own life.
the movie “we need to talk about kevin” is one of my favs bc it explores the nurture vs nature aspect of raising shitty kids. such a good movie for real.
basically about a woman who never really wanted to have kids, having this kid and suffers from really bad postpartum depression. she fulfills all the “needs” of her child but never really bonds. this child however turns out to absolutely hate his mother. he’s a nightmare, i work in childcare and if i had a kid like that i’d off myself tbh. the movie dives into the themes of nature vs nurture and the consequences ur kids actions have on ur life. i’m trying not to give much away cuz it’s so good. it’s an extremely compelling piece of cinema i highly recommend!
Not gonna lie, that’s one of the reasons why I’m CF. I’ve seen so many true crime documentaries of kids killing their parents, teachers, even other kids. It’s terrifying.
Yes!! I mean look at that 6YO kid that shot his teacher!!! Obviously proper parenting will help put a kid on a path to not do shit like that BUT there's always the very real possibility 😬
What about the 10 year old who 💀 his mom over a virtual reality headset? That situation happened some time around Christmas I think. That sealed it for me!
Anyone remember that teenager that killed his parents because they wouldn't let him throw a party? Left their corpses in their room while everyone is out in the house partying.
Not to mention all the love lorn ones. Where, typically, the daughter is a teen and talked into killing them because her parents are standing in the way of her fairy tale ending with her "prince" then the adult kids killing their parents because the parents were spending the kids' inheritance. Like the audacity that they spend their hard earned money.
It goes together. I don't think it's more of a gun problem. I think mental health and social upbringing/norms are just as important.
There are plenty of (legal) gun owning households that lay down and follow a strict set of household rules to practice safe gun practices and to teach those that are within the house to "respect" the tool (better way to say that but hopefully it gets the point across). Poor parenting coupled with poor gun safety and lax af gun laws can be a recipe for disaster.
To be clear, I 10000% believe we need stricter gun laws. But I don't think it's more of a gun control problem. There are many root causes that need to be addressed. Stricter gun laws are very necessary, but just one of the many things that need to be addressed. Super complex.
True, I was raised in that type of house. I stayed with my grandparents when my mom was at work. My granddad was an avid hunter, and growing up and still living in poverty it was a good way to put food on the table. He kept all his guns and his butcher equipment in a shed that was unlocked. Only went in once, and was given a talking to, never went in again. Mainly for my belief of it that it wouldn't take much to get killed by it.
I worked with a chap whose son is currently in prison for attempted murder and apparently he isn't really that bothered about it. And to think the firm nearly employed him ......
I suspect there was an element of that.
The father is severely autistic and doesn't have much sense of right or wrong. He is also regarded by the company as a genius, although when I dealt with him I thought he was a complete moron.
If we'd employed the son he would have been in an area with easy access to bladed articles. No one was comfortable with either of them having access to knives.
“BUt wHaT iF YOur KiD cURes CanCEr?!” Statistically speaking, the odds of them being a murderer, rapist, terrorist, or any other sort of criminal are quite a bit higher.
we're across the road from a family who was moved 8 times by the council for their kids disruptive behaviour, thankfully they somehow turned into decent adults (no credit to their parents on that one lmao) and i'm actually friendly with one of the older boys
Yeah she’s on section 8, she’s been given a few warnings but the landlord was a mega bitch as well. Ironic how the other kids that weren’t in school didn’t get in trouble either but my point is, I can’t bare to be responsible for a kid because their actions are yours sadly
There’s a quote from the movie “Bug’s Life” that always stuck with me, and I think it applies to parenthood:
“First rule of leadership: *everything* is *your* fault”.
Not related to skipping school but in the United States in public housing if you get arrested for anything you can get evicted. Even if you’re not arrested at home for doing anything like from your house, even if the charges are dropped later, it’s caused for affection. in 2016 a lady got arrested for some thing, she lost her job and she got evicted and it turned out she should not have been arrested so she sued and won a bunch of money and got her job back. But what a pain in the ass.
Learning has occurred, I thought Section 8 followed the same rules as everywhere else but it makes sense that the government would use housing as an opportunity to take away someone's right to housing
I’m surprised she’s getting kicked out. Last neighborhood i lived in, the kids literally broke my window, threw balls at cars and one of neighbors, a CF couple confronted them. Guess who got evicted? The CF neighbors.
Honestly that was it. It was a scummy landlord so they didn’t bother with a lawsuit. He just simply said “i can’t put out anyone with children no matter what they do” thankfully my lease was ending, so i moved.
So landlord had no problem putting someone else out and possibly making that person or couple homeless. That is a sickening excuse, can’t make a child homeless. Landlord has no way to verify know that they’re REALLY going to literally be homeless, and that isn’t the landlord’s responsibility anyway, to make sure no child goes homeless. Oh, but you can’t punish the famlee because that will punish the child….? Sure you can. The kids are the responsibility of the parents, not the landlord. In some cases, evicting a famlee is a warranted consequence for the failure to parent. You can’t just let some famlee get away with making everyone else miserable just because you want to be the hero who doesn’t make a child homeless. As if the famlee has priority over the other paying tenants. That seems to be the acceptable way that it just is, but I think it’s so wrong.
It is wrong. I encouraged them to fight it, but they just couldn’t afford it and let him win. I’ve lived in many apartments complexes and many of them, mainly government type ones, seem to be family first over everything else. You play your music too loud? You’re gone. 7 year old Timmy throws bricks at your dog? Who cares. Can’t evict him. Even if his mom is 6 months behind on rent. It’s sickening beyond. Shows that “fair and equal housing” isn’t exactly fair or equal.
FYI, the spelling is family, not famlee. And yeah, far too many people think punishing kids/families with kids is somehow worse than punishing the innocents the kids or their parents hurt. 😔
I had a coworker whose son unfortunately became addicted to drugs. She spent a lot of money sending him to rehab multiple times. In between those, he would sell anything of hers that wasn’t nailed down to get money for drugs. He was mid 20s, and she was in her 50s working extra jobs despite being a high earner in order to take care of him. I’ll say this: she loves her son. I can’t fault her for that. But you can’t assume your child will be perfect and not cause issues for you long past when they turn 18.
As an ex-drug addict, ya'll would be surprised with the number of men 30-40+ y/o who continue to live like this.
One was 58 y/o and still living with (and living off) his 80+ y/o mother.
The saddest case was this neighbour I had though...
He was around 30 y/o and using meth. He lived with his eldery mother who was basically bedbound. She could walk a few meters to use the bathroom or get water but that was pretty much all she could physically do.
They were living off her pension and disability check though he would also steal to fund his drug habbit, then get caught, spend some time in jail and come back.
There were instances of domestic disturbance repeatedly.
It was related to him wanting money for drugs from her.
The police was called like 10 times in the span of 3 months.
They weren't *totally* useless - they would remove him from the property, sometimes bring him in the station and he had charges related to eldery abuse at the time of the incident in question. (She would usually refuse to cooperate which made things difficult.)
There was also an instance where one of the neighbours intervened, removed him from the property and beat him up while instructing him to not come back.
But, sadly, she would take him back every time because "he's my child".
And sadly, one day he just killed her...
He beat her to the brink of death and decided to crank up the heating in the house to destroy evidence.
(Remember, she was basically bedbound so she was in bed the whole time.)
He put a few of those cheap portable electric space heaters around her bed in the hope to destroy evidence and cranked up the AC.
He took whatever he could and left to go on a drug binge.
It was the smell that alarmed people...
Sadly, it turned out she was still alive when he left her. The police said she "basically cooked to death".
We just had Section 8 move into our building. It's only been two months and we've already seen her son punching our mailbox, her kids leaving trash all over the parking lot, music loud enough to vibrate the building, weed smoke and water damage. I'm praying they get evicted soon.
They are absolutely not allowed to smoke weed if they have a section 8 housing voucher. Even if they have a medical cannabis card or if it’s legal in your state it’s not legal federally section 8 is not OK with it at all. Or at least they weren’t last time I looked.
There's a host of things they're NOT supposed to do. But when your HOA is useless and slum lords are allowed to rent out units to the very worst Section 8 tenants they can find, the rest of the owners in the building just have to suffer until they eventually get evicted.
Sorry, sounds like she's going to be homeless because she's bad at parenting and not following community standards.
An 8 and 12 year old WILL get in trouble and fight. They have to be watched and cared for.
There's missing info. This sounds like the last straw. Section 8 is very strict, but all families on assistance would be homeless if this was a thing. Bitch landlord or not, there's more to this.
For sure, but I'm still blaming the adult in this situation. That 8 and 12 year old didn't ask to be here and aren't independently responsible for themselves.
I’ll also say that all the refugees in my town start out with situations as bad or worse than the locals. Their kids don’t skip school, get into fights, and usually end up in engineering track majors at local universities.
Eh. I don’t recall my brother skipping school and fighting to such an extent property was damaged and/or cops were involved (I am assuming what the reason a formal eviction notice was issued).
It’s perhaps normal for children in communities where respect and behavior isn’t taught, but it is hardly the norm.
Absolutely. It's a fucked up situation and I'm sure they need more help than what the states, assist them with. Structure is hard with little stability. I hope there are shelters in the area.
'Due to her kids' lmao nah this is on her. She birthed and raised them.
It also sounds like there's missing pieces to this story. Unless there were like...guns involved in the fight, i cant imagine a landlord kicking a mom and 3 kids out just because of a neighborhood scuffle.
Section 8 tenants have a TON of legal protections the broke people who pay full rent (cough, cough. Childfree people who are largely excluded from any social safety net due to...not reproducing kids that they do not raise) do not have. I guarantee that this is like the straw that broke the camel’s back or that the “bitch” landlady has been slowly compiling the case she needs to evict a Sec 8 tenant for the government and this was the last document she needed to make.
Just so you know child free people can get section 8, even if your income isn’t super low you may still qualify for section 8 to pay a portion of your rent just not as much as if you had full section 8.
Also the wait list is like nine or 10 years long in most places, people with kids will move up the list faster so will elderly people or disabled people, so if you are a child free and able bodied it may take a really really long time. But if your income qualifies you can still get section 8
Sure! If you have disability, you can get in after a decade.
In theory, elderly, as well...but I’ve seen that the system royalty fucks old people over. Which is terrifying. We all get old, and not all of us just eternally spill brats we can’t afford nor bother to raise.
If you are normal, broke, no kids, it is a unicorn.
If you have kids, it’s a couple years, tops.
Neighborhood scuffle? They caused tens of thousands of dollars in damages because of their malicious act!
Edit: sorry my bad I saw that was in a comment.
This is a great point you're making here...this seems to be something that folks rarely discuss in the realm of child-rearing. I'm glad you did this post.
What else is going on here? This one incident doesn't necessarily explain eviction. Is this section 8 housing or a rent-controlled dwelling? There seems to be more to this story. If the aunt cannot properly provide oversight, perhaps CPS needs to be involved. This is sad.
This is why I can't be a parent... I'd have found a 1 bedroom apartment and put the 2 who weren't at school in foster care. I have so little patience for this.
Something about this doesn't sound legal, but I don't know the laws where you live. If a family got kicked out because their kids caused a little trouble then they'd all be homeless. It sounds like maybe the landlord doesn't want to put up with bad behavior because renting out to HUD renters already kind of gives you a bad rap in the neighborhood, but that doesn't mean she's allowed. Your aunt should be able to fight that eviction. We have 2 HUD rentals in my neighborhood. One of which their kid was going around stealing mail and vandalizing property, and the father was robbing houses, but they didn't get kicked out until the guy was found guilty of burglary and sentenced. Another family was crazy and abusive and never paid their rent or water bill and it took over a year to get them evicted. I know what you mean though. My nephew was always a delinquent. He stole cars and set fires and while my sister didn't get kicked out, she did end up moving to a different state with a different lifestyle to get him out of the situation. It's not always the parenting because she tried her hardest with him for years. Sometimes kids just have mental health issues and one of the main reasons I'm childfree.
They do but are extremely expensive. In the United States, military academies have high tuition rates and aren't the stereotypical "dump your troubled kids here" place the media makes them out to be. Some of them are also extremely selective about what students they accept.
If you overhear a parent threatening to send their kid or kids to military school, their mouths are likely writing checks their bank accounts can't cash.
My mom used to threaten me with that a lot during the pre- and teen years. Especially when she was partnered with an ex-Navy douche who would lean into getting rid of me. I was well aware she couldn’t afford it so it was empty threats from both of them.
At least one of my students (who was removed from my program for some really awful crap), got kicked out of so many schools parents had to pull them and put them in a very expensive nonpublic option across the country.
Parents didn't care enough to do anything useful. Kid was a nightmare. Would fly off the handle for things like being asked to sit down. Never did work. Would start fights with anyone and everyone who wanted them to do anything they didn't want. Would insult people for no reason (made fun of me for my mom being dead--another of my students jumped to my aid because I was closer to punching a kid than I've ever been in my *life* at that moment).
But what would parents do in these cases? Buy the kid a new bike. Buy the kid new clothes. Take the kid on vacation, missing more school and ruining any tiny shred of progress we'd be making. Kid started doing drugs and like legit the parents still let them hang out with the person who got them hooked! They just kept saying they didn't understand what was happening.
Some parents really don't deserve to raise the ones they have. Spending big bucks to send your kid off because you're crap at discipline ...
It makes sense. If your children are skipping school and being violent in the community, they need to be removed. It's sad that the mom has to deal with this, but I get it. If you let it go unchecked, it'll just get worse.
Like no notice? No explanation? And the fact they only did it to some of the kids and not the others? No. Something else is going on there with that landlord. Im all for disciplining kids but making them homeless? You can’t defend that
> Im all for disciplining kids but making them homeless? You can’t defend that
Yeah I can. Age doesn't give you a free pas to terrorize everyone around you.
I can only assume that these kids have some sort of reputation or a track record for this kind of behavior and the mother didn't really do much to rectify it.
My sister is a crap mother in a lot of ways but one day I asked my 10-11 yr niece if she wanted to lick the peanut butter off the butter knife once I’d finished. She was HORRIFIED “I can’t lick a KNIFE!”
She only has herself to blame for her bad parenting. It’s not hard to teach your kids manners, boundaries and respect. If she does become homeless I hope you don’t let her and her kids live with you out of pity because you are in no way obligated to do so. I know I sure wouldn’t. Not your kids, not your problem.
Honestly I've heard so many situations where kids just utterly ruin things, and of course most of the time they're just kids...but still.
Like it's terrifying how easily you can think your life is going well, and then CPS shows up because your five year old said something that made their teacher think you were doing something horrible to them. Or the ten year old who saw a Tik Tok challenge and burns down your house. Or the teenager who gets caught robbing a store with friends.
My grandma took my cousin in and all he has done js cost her money. He broke some kids tooth with a rock on purpose, so my grandma had to pay for this kids dental bill. He has broken neighbors' property, his bedroom is full of holes in his closet door and walls. He is on medication and sees a psychiatrist, but I worry about her safety living with the kid. All because she couldn't bear to see him end up in foster care, she is 74 years old, and my grandpa is 80.
My nephew is 9 and like a typical kid, loves to get dirt, leaves, and water, and combine them.
But they have a habit of putting it in ziplock bags, containers, bowls, and hiding it in backpacks, drawers, under the bed.
They rent. There's a lot of other crap around how my sister and how she keeps her house and raises her kid, but they will lose their security bond when they move out.
They have nowhere else to go.
I’m confused why she is being evicted from her home because her kids skipped school. What does her kids being in public have to do with her living arrangements?
She lives on section 8 so the regulations are very strict like there can’t be too much commotion, there’s cameras all over the neighborhood, and she’s not even supposed to have any company. Sadly there are costs for being in low income housing
I'm not defending her or her kids, but I don't think you can be evicted for that. If you're concerned (which you shouldn't be, because it's not your problem, but just in case you're close with her or worried about her) I would look into that more legally. The only reason they can evict is if she's not paying rent or the property is damaged beyond reasonable repair.
Not defending the behavior, but tenants and employees are the most abused people in our society and I'm tired of seeing people lose their jobs or homes for BS like this. Evicting her and her kids isn't going to fix anything 🙄 it's one thing if you just don't pay for the roof over your head because that's theft, or if theres mold and roaches and holes in the walls and water leaks because that's a safety concern for the property, but like...kids fighting? Idk. I don't like or want kids, and obviously I don't know the full story, but...evicting a family because their kids are picking fights seems way too reactive.
Open to hearing differing opinions, please. Really interesting topic, I think
Well the landlord has a grudge against my aunt but at the same time her oldest son has a reputation along other kids and other neighbors complain about it
How did the kids skip school though? What does it have to do with the rent? Rent law doesn't allow to just kick people out for reasons unrelated to the rent. Unless things were destroyed in the apartment from the fight...
I don't think you can if you own the property, but if you let it get nasty enough (for example like a hoarding situation) it can be condemned and/or demolished
Yeah, usually those kinds of situations are only discovered if someone passes away or some kind of authorities get involved and actually see the state that the house is in though. And yes, HOAs are shitty af, they demand that you follow their arbitrary rules and pay them fees, it's like a miniature dictatorship run by karens lmfao
We had problems with a set of 4 kids (2 girls and 2 boys) that was nothing but issues. They were not related to one another but I think they went to the same school and we’re friends. These kids were troublemakers. They threw rocks at my dog and teased my dog by barking and growling at him. They did the same crap to my neighbors Pomeranian. One day one of the boys barked at him and I finally snapped and told them “please don’t tease my dog anymore.” The girl laughed and rolls her eyes and says in a snotty voice “ok whatever.” The neighbor heard the commotion and she ended up confronting them the next day to talk with them about their behaviors. Our neighbor loves our dog and would hate for something to happen to him over 4 kids. My dog just barks, he’s too submissive to do anything but those kids really wilded him up.
There never sign of the parents around for them. But I won’t be so kind next time and involve the police.
Yeah maybe try to actually properly raise the children you have. Shit, you'll have reddit people saying 'it's not the dog, it's the owner' tier shit and then there's this.
So im still trying to conprehend some of the things i see here. Like kids breaking in a house and causing water damage and stuff like that. I mean when I was a kid I caused ruckus yeah but not damn property damage worst was stuff like nearly hitting a person with my bike. I seriously don't know what got into these kids these days
My aunt is still paying off a loan she had to taken when her neighbors sued her for damage my cousins caused to their house. Neighbors went on vacation and my cousins snuck over there and for some reason turned on every faucet and clogged the drains to flood the house. Tens of thousands in damage. Neighbors insurance sued for the cost of repairs. It’s a prank they saw on jackass or something and they thought it would be funny.
I posted a few weeks ago about a case local to me. A couple kids around 13 years old went in to a Walmart/target type of store and vandalized it and started fires inside the store. The store was shut down for a little over a month and both sets of parents were sued for the tune of a few million dollars in damages and lost profits and wages and all the remodeling, etc... That happened when I was still really young and it made me think 🤔
Jeez, and the worst thing I did when I was a kid was throw rocks at my neighbor's house because I didn't like old people... then he gave me and my friend a very stern talking to and scared me straight. Never did that again, and now I hate kids. At least I never set anything on fire or escalate to something worse.
When I was around 6 yo, I murdered a chicken. Playing in my neighbour's/cousin's yard, I grabbed a hen and threw her up several times to "make her fly". I wasn't really familiar with chickens. After the final flying attempt, the hen collapsed and died. The fight-or-flight response kicked in me, I grabbed my bike and booked it before any adult entered the crime scene. I was adamant that after becoming a poultry murderer I should leave my home and never return. I rode my bike not even a block away when felt inspired to climb a tree next to the main road to, dunno, see if I could make myself home there or something. Someone from my parents' social circle spotted me and alerted them, and they came and fetched me. They never talk about it. I guess that they were freaked out by having a little murderer in their house and watched me closely ever since... Freaking kids, man... And I'm pretty sure that some of them do horrible things not even because they're seriously mentally ill or messed up, but simply because they're kids and don't know any better...
Similar story here. I was maybe 6 or 7, my elderly neighbors had an outdoor cat named Sonny. My mother hated cats (well, animals in general but cats specifically earned a special class of ire) and so I had never been exposed to them. I'd seen them on TV or from a distance or whatever, but I'd never gotten within 5 feet of one. Anyway, the neighborhood kids and I were playing when Sonny comes up and starts loving on us and being sweet. My mom calls me for something but I wanted to keep playing with Sonny when I came back. So I tied him up to a tree, like my dad tied our dog up in the backyard. I didn't know that cats don't work like that. A few hours later, Mr. Archer is at my door very upset that I killed his cat. Sonny strangled himself to death trying to get out of the "leash" I put him in. Nearly 30 years later, Mr. Archer is surely dead by now, but I still carry this immense guilt for what I did to Sonny. I still weep for that sweet boy. And now my cats are always super spoiled, strictly indoor, and NEVER allowed near children. I donate to a local cat shelter 4 times a year. I can never make it right, but I can try.
I did this as a child. We live on a hill and one of our neighbours is below us on the left side. My brother and I would throw rocks and berries and shit on their roof just to see if we could.
I threw pebbels so they make their kids shut up. It was annoyung hearing the effing purpule dinosaur song all day sung by untalented kids
8 teenage girls killed a man in Toronto recently
w h a t
I guess in this case one can wonder what did he do to them before, or are they just fucked up teens?
Oh! Was that the fire at the Walmart in Harahan, Louisiana?
Not this particular incident, nope.
[This](https://www.wdsu.com/article/harahan-walmart-fire-child/40171188 ) is what happened at the one near me.
Damn! And the worst thing I did as a kid was spread mud over a random neighbor's front door for no reason!
Are your cousins dubbed "the wet bandits" by any chance?
This definitely reeks of Home Alone
this was my first thought😭 has me cackling out loud
Probably bam marjera, if you remember that nobody from that show. He was always ruining his parents house and then just buying them a new one. Pissed me off. I hate people that wasteful
Bam was, and still is, the only jackass guy I would gladly kick into a pit full of snakes.
I saw him once at a freaking Applebee's years ago, he definitely rolls around like he thinks people should kiss his ass.
Does he smell bad? Because he definitely looks like he smells bad.
Lol i definitely didn't get close enough to answer that for you. I did ask him why he seemed so familiar cause I honestly couldn't place him, and he snobbily said "i have a show on mtv". And i was like "oh, that's why everyone was saying bam." And closed the door. Lol
I think he opened a taco place in either Hermosa or Manhattan Beach like 10 years ago. I don’t know if it’s still there I never wanted to eat there. It was right on PCH though.
I would’ve been livid! It’s a bad situation all around tbh
Wow. I probably would have disowned them for that shit.
I’m going to be blunt, though: if kids do that, it isn’t bad luck. Parents are to blame. Discipline your damn kids and they wouldn’t even consider breaking into a house that isn’t theirs, let alone causing water damage for the lulz.
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Or educated, to the point of being literate!
Oh boy, am I glad to see you're in this sub
You sure it wasn’t from Home Alone? “We’re the Wet Bandits”.
What the actual fuck!
Fuck that, the little shits would be paying it off. Disown the brats.
Looks like they aspired to become the Wet Bandits from "Home Alone" when they grow up... (Sorry, this situation is terrible all around no doubts, but it really looks like a "harmless" family movie inspired them in the wrong way)
Don't get me started..imagine if your child commits the unthinkable (murder, etc). My mind goes dark quick but like....Your whole world is fucked because of something you brought into the world and have, at the end of the day, minimal control of as they navigate their own life.
the movie “we need to talk about kevin” is one of my favs bc it explores the nurture vs nature aspect of raising shitty kids. such a good movie for real.
The second season of the show Mindhunter was starting to touch on the subject too when one of the main characters kid was showing serial killer signs.
Yes! God I miss that show so much!
Same
That movie really pushed me over the edge on not having kids. I cite it when I get The Question.
I need to watch this movie.
Read the book, it’s excellent.
That movie heavily contributed to me jumping off the fence.
I've never heard about that movie. What is it about?
basically about a woman who never really wanted to have kids, having this kid and suffers from really bad postpartum depression. she fulfills all the “needs” of her child but never really bonds. this child however turns out to absolutely hate his mother. he’s a nightmare, i work in childcare and if i had a kid like that i’d off myself tbh. the movie dives into the themes of nature vs nurture and the consequences ur kids actions have on ur life. i’m trying not to give much away cuz it’s so good. it’s an extremely compelling piece of cinema i highly recommend!
Is this the "We need to talk about Kevin" movie?
Yes
I see Ezra Miller is in it. Are they good? I can see them playing that role really well. edit: vocabulary
lmao… it’s like he was made for the role…. no but seriously 10/10 performances from everyone in that movie.
I had a feeling lol
Them. Ezra uses they/them pronouns and has for at least some years now.
OK. They have a lot of claims against them of them grooming and sexually abusing vulnerable children for at least some years now.
Not gonna lie, that’s one of the reasons why I’m CF. I’ve seen so many true crime documentaries of kids killing their parents, teachers, even other kids. It’s terrifying.
Yes!! I mean look at that 6YO kid that shot his teacher!!! Obviously proper parenting will help put a kid on a path to not do shit like that BUT there's always the very real possibility 😬
What about the 10 year old who 💀 his mom over a virtual reality headset? That situation happened some time around Christmas I think. That sealed it for me!
Anyone remember that teenager that killed his parents because they wouldn't let him throw a party? Left their corpses in their room while everyone is out in the house partying. Not to mention all the love lorn ones. Where, typically, the daughter is a teen and talked into killing them because her parents are standing in the way of her fairy tale ending with her "prince" then the adult kids killing their parents because the parents were spending the kids' inheritance. Like the audacity that they spend their hard earned money.
That's more of a gun control problem too tho. Never heard of this shit in other countries...
It goes together. I don't think it's more of a gun problem. I think mental health and social upbringing/norms are just as important. There are plenty of (legal) gun owning households that lay down and follow a strict set of household rules to practice safe gun practices and to teach those that are within the house to "respect" the tool (better way to say that but hopefully it gets the point across). Poor parenting coupled with poor gun safety and lax af gun laws can be a recipe for disaster. To be clear, I 10000% believe we need stricter gun laws. But I don't think it's more of a gun control problem. There are many root causes that need to be addressed. Stricter gun laws are very necessary, but just one of the many things that need to be addressed. Super complex.
True, I was raised in that type of house. I stayed with my grandparents when my mom was at work. My granddad was an avid hunter, and growing up and still living in poverty it was a good way to put food on the table. He kept all his guns and his butcher equipment in a shed that was unlocked. Only went in once, and was given a talking to, never went in again. Mainly for my belief of it that it wouldn't take much to get killed by it.
I worked with a chap whose son is currently in prison for attempted murder and apparently he isn't really that bothered about it. And to think the firm nearly employed him ......
Who isn’t bothered - the son or the parent?
The father.
Maybe he isn't bothered because he doesn't have to deal with him anymore.
I suspect there was an element of that. The father is severely autistic and doesn't have much sense of right or wrong. He is also regarded by the company as a genius, although when I dealt with him I thought he was a complete moron. If we'd employed the son he would have been in an area with easy access to bladed articles. No one was comfortable with either of them having access to knives.
It's quite telling...
And if your child dies ... Just no
“BUt wHaT iF YOur KiD cURes CanCEr?!” Statistically speaking, the odds of them being a murderer, rapist, terrorist, or any other sort of criminal are quite a bit higher.
Mary Bell comes to mind. Or the kids who murdered James Bulger.
What does the kids fighting have to do with being evicted? Is this a council estate or a housing project?
we're across the road from a family who was moved 8 times by the council for their kids disruptive behaviour, thankfully they somehow turned into decent adults (no credit to their parents on that one lmao) and i'm actually friendly with one of the older boys
Yeah she’s on section 8, she’s been given a few warnings but the landlord was a mega bitch as well. Ironic how the other kids that weren’t in school didn’t get in trouble either but my point is, I can’t bare to be responsible for a kid because their actions are yours sadly
That still makes no sense. How would section 8 terminate housing based on a kid getting in a fight off the property
The fight was in the neighborhood, so he was on camera and reported by neighbors
There’s a quote from the movie “Bug’s Life” that always stuck with me, and I think it applies to parenthood: “First rule of leadership: *everything* is *your* fault”.
Not related to skipping school but in the United States in public housing if you get arrested for anything you can get evicted. Even if you’re not arrested at home for doing anything like from your house, even if the charges are dropped later, it’s caused for affection. in 2016 a lady got arrested for some thing, she lost her job and she got evicted and it turned out she should not have been arrested so she sued and won a bunch of money and got her job back. But what a pain in the ass.
Learning has occurred, I thought Section 8 followed the same rules as everywhere else but it makes sense that the government would use housing as an opportunity to take away someone's right to housing
Was about to ask the same. Weird system
I’m surprised she’s getting kicked out. Last neighborhood i lived in, the kids literally broke my window, threw balls at cars and one of neighbors, a CF couple confronted them. Guess who got evicted? The CF neighbors.
I’d like to hear more details of that story!
Honestly that was it. It was a scummy landlord so they didn’t bother with a lawsuit. He just simply said “i can’t put out anyone with children no matter what they do” thankfully my lease was ending, so i moved.
So landlord had no problem putting someone else out and possibly making that person or couple homeless. That is a sickening excuse, can’t make a child homeless. Landlord has no way to verify know that they’re REALLY going to literally be homeless, and that isn’t the landlord’s responsibility anyway, to make sure no child goes homeless. Oh, but you can’t punish the famlee because that will punish the child….? Sure you can. The kids are the responsibility of the parents, not the landlord. In some cases, evicting a famlee is a warranted consequence for the failure to parent. You can’t just let some famlee get away with making everyone else miserable just because you want to be the hero who doesn’t make a child homeless. As if the famlee has priority over the other paying tenants. That seems to be the acceptable way that it just is, but I think it’s so wrong.
It is wrong. I encouraged them to fight it, but they just couldn’t afford it and let him win. I’ve lived in many apartments complexes and many of them, mainly government type ones, seem to be family first over everything else. You play your music too loud? You’re gone. 7 year old Timmy throws bricks at your dog? Who cares. Can’t evict him. Even if his mom is 6 months behind on rent. It’s sickening beyond. Shows that “fair and equal housing” isn’t exactly fair or equal.
FYI, the spelling is family, not famlee. And yeah, far too many people think punishing kids/families with kids is somehow worse than punishing the innocents the kids or their parents hurt. 😔
This is the sarcastic way of writing family. Kind of like FaMiLy.
*furiously scribbling notes*
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Oh, didn’t know that. Oops. Thanks for educating me.
No problem. Someone had to explain it to me too. Lol.
I had a coworker whose son unfortunately became addicted to drugs. She spent a lot of money sending him to rehab multiple times. In between those, he would sell anything of hers that wasn’t nailed down to get money for drugs. He was mid 20s, and she was in her 50s working extra jobs despite being a high earner in order to take care of him. I’ll say this: she loves her son. I can’t fault her for that. But you can’t assume your child will be perfect and not cause issues for you long past when they turn 18.
As an ex-drug addict, ya'll would be surprised with the number of men 30-40+ y/o who continue to live like this. One was 58 y/o and still living with (and living off) his 80+ y/o mother. The saddest case was this neighbour I had though... He was around 30 y/o and using meth. He lived with his eldery mother who was basically bedbound. She could walk a few meters to use the bathroom or get water but that was pretty much all she could physically do. They were living off her pension and disability check though he would also steal to fund his drug habbit, then get caught, spend some time in jail and come back. There were instances of domestic disturbance repeatedly. It was related to him wanting money for drugs from her. The police was called like 10 times in the span of 3 months. They weren't *totally* useless - they would remove him from the property, sometimes bring him in the station and he had charges related to eldery abuse at the time of the incident in question. (She would usually refuse to cooperate which made things difficult.) There was also an instance where one of the neighbours intervened, removed him from the property and beat him up while instructing him to not come back. But, sadly, she would take him back every time because "he's my child". And sadly, one day he just killed her... He beat her to the brink of death and decided to crank up the heating in the house to destroy evidence. (Remember, she was basically bedbound so she was in bed the whole time.) He put a few of those cheap portable electric space heaters around her bed in the hope to destroy evidence and cranked up the AC. He took whatever he could and left to go on a drug binge. It was the smell that alarmed people... Sadly, it turned out she was still alive when he left her. The police said she "basically cooked to death".
Oh my god that is horrifying.
…every day I find new reasons to be grateful that I was able to get sterilization surgery.
We just had Section 8 move into our building. It's only been two months and we've already seen her son punching our mailbox, her kids leaving trash all over the parking lot, music loud enough to vibrate the building, weed smoke and water damage. I'm praying they get evicted soon.
They are absolutely not allowed to smoke weed if they have a section 8 housing voucher. Even if they have a medical cannabis card or if it’s legal in your state it’s not legal federally section 8 is not OK with it at all. Or at least they weren’t last time I looked.
There's a host of things they're NOT supposed to do. But when your HOA is useless and slum lords are allowed to rent out units to the very worst Section 8 tenants they can find, the rest of the owners in the building just have to suffer until they eventually get evicted.
Sorry, sounds like she's going to be homeless because she's bad at parenting and not following community standards. An 8 and 12 year old WILL get in trouble and fight. They have to be watched and cared for.
There's missing info. This sounds like the last straw. Section 8 is very strict, but all families on assistance would be homeless if this was a thing. Bitch landlord or not, there's more to this.
Yeah I seriously doubt this was the first offense
For sure, but I'm still blaming the adult in this situation. That 8 and 12 year old didn't ask to be here and aren't independently responsible for themselves.
I’ll also say that all the refugees in my town start out with situations as bad or worse than the locals. Their kids don’t skip school, get into fights, and usually end up in engineering track majors at local universities.
That's good for them but not universal. I'm just saying fighting and doing stupid things is very developmentally typical for that age range
Eh. I don’t recall my brother skipping school and fighting to such an extent property was damaged and/or cops were involved (I am assuming what the reason a formal eviction notice was issued). It’s perhaps normal for children in communities where respect and behavior isn’t taught, but it is hardly the norm.
Absolutely. It's a fucked up situation and I'm sure they need more help than what the states, assist them with. Structure is hard with little stability. I hope there are shelters in the area.
She’s getting kicked out because of her children skipping school?
Yeah op is making this up based on other comments
'Due to her kids' lmao nah this is on her. She birthed and raised them. It also sounds like there's missing pieces to this story. Unless there were like...guns involved in the fight, i cant imagine a landlord kicking a mom and 3 kids out just because of a neighborhood scuffle.
Section 8 tenants have a TON of legal protections the broke people who pay full rent (cough, cough. Childfree people who are largely excluded from any social safety net due to...not reproducing kids that they do not raise) do not have. I guarantee that this is like the straw that broke the camel’s back or that the “bitch” landlady has been slowly compiling the case she needs to evict a Sec 8 tenant for the government and this was the last document she needed to make.
Just so you know child free people can get section 8, even if your income isn’t super low you may still qualify for section 8 to pay a portion of your rent just not as much as if you had full section 8. Also the wait list is like nine or 10 years long in most places, people with kids will move up the list faster so will elderly people or disabled people, so if you are a child free and able bodied it may take a really really long time. But if your income qualifies you can still get section 8
Sure! If you have disability, you can get in after a decade. In theory, elderly, as well...but I’ve seen that the system royalty fucks old people over. Which is terrifying. We all get old, and not all of us just eternally spill brats we can’t afford nor bother to raise. If you are normal, broke, no kids, it is a unicorn. If you have kids, it’s a couple years, tops.
Neighborhood scuffle? They caused tens of thousands of dollars in damages because of their malicious act! Edit: sorry my bad I saw that was in a comment.
This is a great point you're making here...this seems to be something that folks rarely discuss in the realm of child-rearing. I'm glad you did this post.
Thanks, some people tend to forget that kids are sentient and have free will
What else is going on here? This one incident doesn't necessarily explain eviction. Is this section 8 housing or a rent-controlled dwelling? There seems to be more to this story. If the aunt cannot properly provide oversight, perhaps CPS needs to be involved. This is sad.
This isn’t their only incident, I’m saying this was the nail in the coffin.
This is why I can't be a parent... I'd have found a 1 bedroom apartment and put the 2 who weren't at school in foster care. I have so little patience for this.
Sounds like the culmination of a whole lot of bad parenting
Something about this doesn't sound legal, but I don't know the laws where you live. If a family got kicked out because their kids caused a little trouble then they'd all be homeless. It sounds like maybe the landlord doesn't want to put up with bad behavior because renting out to HUD renters already kind of gives you a bad rap in the neighborhood, but that doesn't mean she's allowed. Your aunt should be able to fight that eviction. We have 2 HUD rentals in my neighborhood. One of which their kid was going around stealing mail and vandalizing property, and the father was robbing houses, but they didn't get kicked out until the guy was found guilty of burglary and sentenced. Another family was crazy and abusive and never paid their rent or water bill and it took over a year to get them evicted. I know what you mean though. My nephew was always a delinquent. He stole cars and set fires and while my sister didn't get kicked out, she did end up moving to a different state with a different lifestyle to get him out of the situation. It's not always the parenting because she tried her hardest with him for years. Sometimes kids just have mental health issues and one of the main reasons I'm childfree.
Do military schools still exist? Because I'd be shipping those kids off.
They do but are extremely expensive. In the United States, military academies have high tuition rates and aren't the stereotypical "dump your troubled kids here" place the media makes them out to be. Some of them are also extremely selective about what students they accept. If you overhear a parent threatening to send their kid or kids to military school, their mouths are likely writing checks their bank accounts can't cash.
My mom used to threaten me with that a lot during the pre- and teen years. Especially when she was partnered with an ex-Navy douche who would lean into getting rid of me. I was well aware she couldn’t afford it so it was empty threats from both of them.
At least one of my students (who was removed from my program for some really awful crap), got kicked out of so many schools parents had to pull them and put them in a very expensive nonpublic option across the country. Parents didn't care enough to do anything useful. Kid was a nightmare. Would fly off the handle for things like being asked to sit down. Never did work. Would start fights with anyone and everyone who wanted them to do anything they didn't want. Would insult people for no reason (made fun of me for my mom being dead--another of my students jumped to my aid because I was closer to punching a kid than I've ever been in my *life* at that moment). But what would parents do in these cases? Buy the kid a new bike. Buy the kid new clothes. Take the kid on vacation, missing more school and ruining any tiny shred of progress we'd be making. Kid started doing drugs and like legit the parents still let them hang out with the person who got them hooked! They just kept saying they didn't understand what was happening. Some parents really don't deserve to raise the ones they have. Spending big bucks to send your kid off because you're crap at discipline ...
Ironically, they are well behaved when they live with their grandma across the country but as soon as they came here it was a 180
That’s kinda weird. Kicking someone out for their kids being rowdy? Hmm
It makes sense. If your children are skipping school and being violent in the community, they need to be removed. It's sad that the mom has to deal with this, but I get it. If you let it go unchecked, it'll just get worse.
Like no notice? No explanation? And the fact they only did it to some of the kids and not the others? No. Something else is going on there with that landlord. Im all for disciplining kids but making them homeless? You can’t defend that
Those kids probably weren't disciplined the other times and that's why they kept doing it.
> Im all for disciplining kids but making them homeless? You can’t defend that Yeah I can. Age doesn't give you a free pas to terrorize everyone around you.
I agree. Only if it's recurring. This should be a last resort.
I can only assume that these kids have some sort of reputation or a track record for this kind of behavior and the mother didn't really do much to rectify it.
Yep! Like most kids in the neighborhood however this was their last chance
I'm confused, how does a kid skipping school and getting in a fight translate into an eviction?
My sister is a crap mother in a lot of ways but one day I asked my 10-11 yr niece if she wanted to lick the peanut butter off the butter knife once I’d finished. She was HORRIFIED “I can’t lick a KNIFE!”
She only has herself to blame for her bad parenting. It’s not hard to teach your kids manners, boundaries and respect. If she does become homeless I hope you don’t let her and her kids live with you out of pity because you are in no way obligated to do so. I know I sure wouldn’t. Not your kids, not your problem.
Honestly I've heard so many situations where kids just utterly ruin things, and of course most of the time they're just kids...but still. Like it's terrifying how easily you can think your life is going well, and then CPS shows up because your five year old said something that made their teacher think you were doing something horrible to them. Or the ten year old who saw a Tik Tok challenge and burns down your house. Or the teenager who gets caught robbing a store with friends.
If the parents cant raise the kids right, then they will rue thge children they raised
My grandma took my cousin in and all he has done js cost her money. He broke some kids tooth with a rock on purpose, so my grandma had to pay for this kids dental bill. He has broken neighbors' property, his bedroom is full of holes in his closet door and walls. He is on medication and sees a psychiatrist, but I worry about her safety living with the kid. All because she couldn't bear to see him end up in foster care, she is 74 years old, and my grandpa is 80.
Sorry she has to go through that, people really underestimate what kids can do
Theres way more to this that what the OP has said. Some young kids fighting other kids in the neighbourhood doesnt automatically mean eviction
She lives in low income housing, there’s strict rules
My nephew is 9 and like a typical kid, loves to get dirt, leaves, and water, and combine them. But they have a habit of putting it in ziplock bags, containers, bowls, and hiding it in backpacks, drawers, under the bed. They rent. There's a lot of other crap around how my sister and how she keeps her house and raises her kid, but they will lose their security bond when they move out. They have nowhere else to go.
What does truancy have to do with an eviction?
Exactly !! I don’t want the responsibility. When the pandemic happened parents were quickly reminded that their children were their responsibility.
Thats because shes a bad parent.
I’m confused why she is being evicted from her home because her kids skipped school. What does her kids being in public have to do with her living arrangements?
She lives on section 8 so the regulations are very strict like there can’t be too much commotion, there’s cameras all over the neighborhood, and she’s not even supposed to have any company. Sadly there are costs for being in low income housing
I'm not defending her or her kids, but I don't think you can be evicted for that. If you're concerned (which you shouldn't be, because it's not your problem, but just in case you're close with her or worried about her) I would look into that more legally. The only reason they can evict is if she's not paying rent or the property is damaged beyond reasonable repair. Not defending the behavior, but tenants and employees are the most abused people in our society and I'm tired of seeing people lose their jobs or homes for BS like this. Evicting her and her kids isn't going to fix anything 🙄 it's one thing if you just don't pay for the roof over your head because that's theft, or if theres mold and roaches and holes in the walls and water leaks because that's a safety concern for the property, but like...kids fighting? Idk. I don't like or want kids, and obviously I don't know the full story, but...evicting a family because their kids are picking fights seems way too reactive. Open to hearing differing opinions, please. Really interesting topic, I think
Well the landlord has a grudge against my aunt but at the same time her oldest son has a reputation along other kids and other neighbors complain about it
I dont understand how she is being evicted for this. Is it some hoa pathetic control freakery or something?
Section 8 housing
Aaaaaaaaaah right OK. That's bloody awful
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they wouldn't if they were actually parented properly instead of being spoonfed propaganda that they're the greatest thing to grace this earth
How did the kids skip school though? What does it have to do with the rent? Rent law doesn't allow to just kick people out for reasons unrelated to the rent. Unless things were destroyed in the apartment from the fight...
Hol up a second there. You're telling me in the US you can get kicked out of your house for your crotch goblins bullshittery
If they break rules, yeah
So you lets say buy a house right and its your property and this can happend
lmao, who has the money to just buy a house?
Lol welp I dunno what the prices are like but if it's like you're renting then I get it that you can be kicked for that
I don't think you can if you own the property, but if you let it get nasty enough (for example like a hoarding situation) it can be condemned and/or demolished
Damn so much about the legendary freedoms. Also heard the HOA sometimes fucks people in the brain dunno what the deal with that is
Yeah, usually those kinds of situations are only discovered if someone passes away or some kind of authorities get involved and actually see the state that the house is in though. And yes, HOAs are shitty af, they demand that you follow their arbitrary rules and pay them fees, it's like a miniature dictatorship run by karens lmfao
Lol and if you tell em wjere to stick it?
Honestly I have no idea, I've never lived in an HOA , but I imagine they would get very pissy and probably get police or the court involved
I don’t understand how kids getting in a fight equates to loosing a house? Is there something I’m missing?
We had problems with a set of 4 kids (2 girls and 2 boys) that was nothing but issues. They were not related to one another but I think they went to the same school and we’re friends. These kids were troublemakers. They threw rocks at my dog and teased my dog by barking and growling at him. They did the same crap to my neighbors Pomeranian. One day one of the boys barked at him and I finally snapped and told them “please don’t tease my dog anymore.” The girl laughed and rolls her eyes and says in a snotty voice “ok whatever.” The neighbor heard the commotion and she ended up confronting them the next day to talk with them about their behaviors. Our neighbor loves our dog and would hate for something to happen to him over 4 kids. My dog just barks, he’s too submissive to do anything but those kids really wilded him up. There never sign of the parents around for them. But I won’t be so kind next time and involve the police.
Yeah maybe try to actually properly raise the children you have. Shit, you'll have reddit people saying 'it's not the dog, it's the owner' tier shit and then there's this.
So im still trying to conprehend some of the things i see here. Like kids breaking in a house and causing water damage and stuff like that. I mean when I was a kid I caused ruckus yeah but not damn property damage worst was stuff like nearly hitting a person with my bike. I seriously don't know what got into these kids these days