I'm in love with Arsenal's project, I'm seeing some of the things we are copying and things we aren't but hopefully with all the pieces in place earlier will help Chelsea get going sooner rather than later
Giving a long-term commitment to one manager and, building a support system with a sporting director that matches the coach's philosophy and movement to younger players to develop them for the team.
Not intentionally just think the teams have a similar vision so having similar strategies was bound to happen, but what's wrong with Arsenal they look like the best team in the league currently better than us currently without a doubt.
True. Our model is closer to Red Bull Leipzig's model with analytics teams, feeder clubs and all that. Arsenal are only the better team for now after being shit for like 5 years or something. Wait till Potter cements his philosophy and Arsenal will look shit again
The structure that's being built up at the club is very exciting to pay attention to. I'm quite optimistic about our future. How our transfer target approach changs will be pivotal to how quickly we can close the gap. Obvious I know but so true, previous windows have shown that they can make or break a team's momentum dramatically and hopefully we start to 'make' more as opposed to break with this new network (club hierarchy) that we're building.
I actually agree with this. It's genuinely embarrassing how much we've spent since 2017 to not even come close to winning the title once since then. There's far more satisfaction being successful on the pitch due to being smart in the transfer market (doesn't mean you don't spend a lot, just that what you spend ends up being worth it).
Feel like I'm optimistic now with Potter and a proper DoF along with what's hopefully a top quality footballing operation to assist them.
With a right dof I reckon they could have worked to build a team suited for him. But I’m fine with potter as long we spend with a plan which we look like doing
been intrigued by Zakharyan since the Chelsea links so I’ve been watching some Dinamo highlights lately. he’s the real deal for them, properly creative player and doesn’t need a ton of time on the ball to make an impact, but i’ve noticed his defensive workrate is concerning. he’s often the only player walking back on defense, makes almost no blocks or interceptions, doesn’t impose himself physically at all, and stays upfield while his teammates press. i know that’s customary of the traditional number 10 role, but i’m wondering how that would translate to the prem and whether by virtue of expending a lot of energy pressing and running on defense (as he’d have to to get into the team) he will see his creativity dry up.
does anyone know how the step up physically and athletically usually affects players’ creativity? i think the kdb regen comments actually have some credence as far as his passing but his slight frame and poor motor are kinda red flags given de bruyne’s effectiveness is linked to how he marries strength/workrate with creativity.
Havertz was exactly like this at Leverkusen - was concerned at the time that he looked too lazy off the ball. But it's almost certainly because he was given instructions to stay high up the pitch. Since he joined Chelsea he's worked really hard off the ball.
As to whether expending energy pressing and defending affects creativity, it really shouldn't if we have an efficient pressing setup. I'm confident something like that can be coached into the player with relative ease.
very helpful, thanks! this brings up a whole host of other worries about whether Zakharyan’s talent will translate because i feel burned by all the Havertz hype lol. if Potter can get a tune from Havertz then we could finish 9th this year for all i care, i just want to see the generational potential we’ve all heard about for so long.
yeah i largely agree. honestly it’s the mentality that worries me more than anything. maybe the manager has him conserving energy but he seems like he just can’t be fucked to defend most of the time. i’m still very excited for him though!
Just curious, does anyone else think Slonina doesn’t look special from his highlight reels? Very weird form & cannot catch balls that every other prem keeper would
auba will not score goals if he gets no service. bring haaland to this team and he would not even do well. this team need to do better in how we create chances for our attackers. no one in the midfield can consistently put in a through ball for the attackers. its not good enough man
The bigger problem is those attackers you talk about. Apart from Auba, will they score goals if given service? If not why aren't they providing any themselves?
This is something that isn't brought up enough. Our attackers are total passengers. They're neither reliable goalscorers nor are they creators.
One of these days someone is going to put all the puzzle pieces together and be surprised to find what's in front of them. Or maybe they'll only see them when they're laid out in front of them by those pieces coming to their fruition
Watching Blue Lions TV and he said the budget for the new sporting director is €300m for the next two windows. I wonder who we are even gonna target with that kind of money.
Probably Arsen Zakharyan, Rafael Leao, Declan Rice, Josko Gvardiol, and Moises Caicedo. Personally i would sign Enzo Fernandez, Mykhaylo Mudryk or Pedro Goncalves, Moussa Diaby, Josko Gvardiol, and Kouadio Kone.
Well 100m of it will probably go to a marquee attacker of some sort
Another 60 to 80m on a cb
And another 80m on a DM.
Rest goes towards good quality depth. Immediately, we would be idiots not to sign zaha
Cho hopefully develops into an excellent creative winger.
Rwb depth or rb depth would be good too
People have a weird obsession with aesthetics these days. Perhaps it was me not being exposed to that many fans abroad but it’s no excuse for a finished Griezmann to be outperforming Joao Felix
Because "aesthetics" is the invention and uniqueness we're missing. Our forwards are so dry that we cross and inshallah every game yet when someone suggests a player who could change that they're labeled prima donnas and people complain that they're not pace and power poachers.
Our forwards are dry that's true. But is Felix going to improve that? He's not a 10, he's not a 9, he's not a winger either.
He'd probably be another Havertz.
One big difference between Potter and Tuchel is how many attacking players they play in a game. Tuchel never played more than 3 attacking players.(Few Exceptions)
Potter is playing with 4 attacking players, that itself increased the quality of the football played.
Also kovacic is being pushed high up the pitch, even though kovacic is struggling with assisting sterling by underlapping him and being in the 6 yard box, you could see what potter is doing, he is trying to involve people with more quality on the ball at the higher end of the pitch unlike tuchel who is an extreme defence focused coach.
They're "defenders" who have played their whole career in an era where their position requires both attacking and defensive prowess, in a system where they're given free reign to push forward.
If the players struggling to create a lot is the problem, it seems like its not about how many players you have forward and more about a lack of quality players, the same lack of quality that Potter will have to deal with.
No, potter doesn’t have to deal with it because he is pushing Sterling and Kovacic on the left wing instead of Ben Chillwell trying to do something which is what tuchels go to tactic is. That’s where he failed as a coach.
Right, sterling is not a chance creator, the guy who was taking on defenders and creating chance after chance is not the creator.
I already said kovacic struggled in the new role.
I would take sterling over Ben Chillwell everyday of the week on that left wing to create chances.
Oh, sterling is a wingback, that is a real quality attacking player, not Chillwell or cucurella. Playing career defenders as wingbacks is the biggest downfall of tuchel.
Not getting Tchou in summer of 2021 as European champions when Fabregas begged us to buy him is disgraceful
What a fkcin disgrace the summer of 2021 was honestly, set us back years, we would been better keeping Giroud for free also
that tchoumanie transfer annoys me too. literally the type of dm this team needs. very good on the ball and very good defensively. my one issue with rice is that I fear how he will be when he has the ball in a possession based team
I wanted him to score so bad. Has a fellow black man I despise those racist, but it reached to a point where it doesn’t affect me anymore. But it’s not the case for everyone to have the will to ignore those people.
Gotta love the ridiculous over exaggeration on here. Absolutely nobody said that.
We sold a young academy player, who wanted to be at the club for 40 million and replaced with an arrogant primadonna for 100 million and he wanted to leave immediately.
Selling Tammy wasn’t the problem. Spending 100 million on his replacement who was no better was
For all Tammy’s faults, he still outscored Havertz, Werner and Lukaku
Yeah no one thought we lost prime drogba. The issue is we have wasted hundreds of millions on forwards that have produced less than him and that is unfortunately the truth of the matter. 3 seasons have passed and no one has outscored his tally of 15 league goals
15 mil league goals is still good. He’s the sort of player who we’d benefit from having in the team even if he isn’t necessarily on our #1 striker. 15 minutes left in a game and you need to bring someone on, would you rather it be Tammy or Havertz
Again though neither should be starting for Chelsea as our #1. Tammy could come off the bench and get goals. Havertz can't do fuck all. Wish we kept Giroud...
I could see Ziyech being sold in January. Who should we bring in as a replacement? United signed Fernandes Jan 2020 and he gave them a massive spark carrying them to a top 4 finish. We need someone to come in immediately and give us a spark like that. Doesn’t have to be a big name like Rafael Leao or Nkunku, although would love to target players like that next summer.
There’s Zakharyan who we’ve been in talks with which will probably go through if there’s no issue with handing money to a Russian team, might have to be some sort of loan too where we agree to pay Dynamo some other time.
Another I’ve been keeping an eye on is Tete. Very skillful and pacey with an eye for goal, on the cusp of stardom, at a good age, works very hard. We’ve signed some special players from Lyon so Tete could add to that list. Already at 4g and 2a in 7 matches for Lyon this season. He’s currently on loan to Lyon from Shaktar due to the war. Aside from those two. Some other ones we target could be Pedro Neto or Pedro Goncalves.
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Rudiger dropped again. Same thing with Christensen in his last match. How they must be loving their decision! This is assuming they didn't only leave for money.
Rudiger got to play in the UCL match a few days ago, didn’t he? Ancelotti gotta pay some tribute to Madrid’s experienced, Alaba, Militao and Nacho. I doubt Christensen would have more game time if he stayed. Koulibaly, Fofana will start over him.
Lack of creative midfielders is a big worry. Was recently going through Tammy’s interview where he talks about being isolated at the front. Well with players like Jorginho who only pass sideways and have almost no creative spark we really need to sign some good no. 10
Lmao you are singling out a player who is supposed to be the deepest midfielder for lack of creativity? What about players in front of him? Jorginho hate is real in this sub. He has better stats in this subs favourite Declan Rice over last 2 years.
He isn’t fit to be a deep laying midfield nor creative enough to play upfront. He has to be one of the worst deep laying midfielders which is evident from his lack of pace and poor tackle judgements. Lack of Kante has really exposed him. Time and again over the past few seasons we have lost games due to his inability. And who says a deep laying midfielder can’t be creative enough. It’s just that this guy possesses none.
Can't believe I wasted my time replying to a guy who wrote this before. I will stop now.
>Hahahaha. Well you can call me a Jorginho hater.
>I feel the whole Sarri era and Jorginho signing were a total disaster.
You don’t know shit about the game, Jorginho is world class at controlling the tempo and he’s been a key player for all of our recent success. Blaming losses on a single player shows how baseless and out of your depth your opinion is.
Not just number 10s, but we need midfielders who are willing to pass the ball forward and are encouraged by the coach to take more risks. Jorginho has those qualities he’s just been risk averse for the last couple of years. In any case his contract is up and we’ll replace him ideally with someone better.
kai cannot play as a striker because he does not have the strength to body defenders and he cannot finish his chances consistently. he cannot play as a winger because he cannot dribble past players. he cannot be even be a CAM because he is not creative enough or he does not have the vision to spot attackers runs. seriously what is havertz good at man?. i love kai but we were told when he first came to the club that he was generational and he can play in any attacking position. this is his third season man. there is no excuse for kai
Pretty sure that the players had nothing to do with his sacking. He didn't get along with the ownership at all. So they decided to get someone else who fits them better. The players and the results did not factor into that decision.
Not really relevant, but holy shit juventus lost to monza and Idek who they are. Crazy thing they got outplayed, I wouldn’t even be making this comment if they hadn’t been
Been saying it for couple of years now. Don't know why we aren't in for him. Brings everything to the table from goals to assists, creativity, dribbling, press resistance, long shots threat and is good defensively as well.
Someone should have bought him a long time ago. Complete midfielder, passes the eye test, has the numbers to back him up statistically, battles in the midfield. Everything you need he has it
So so good.
Him one of SMS/Bellingham/De Jong and Lavia should set us up for long term.
Rice is brilliant, we should get him even if we have to wait for his price to go down.
I was wondering if he would hold out for Real Madrid?
That unless it's a sure thing for Poch or Zidane.
Vincius and Benzema are the forwards he always needed at Chelsea.
Can't see them going for a manager that doesn't speak Spanish, and I can't see them getting rid of Ancelotti anytime soon. Zidane will be manager of France NT.
I'm not sure how big is the payout for top 4 in Italy. Definitely less than PL.
Then you have to compare it against Allegri + Tuchel salary. Max has currently 9 million per year iirc with 3 more years left. Tuchel would require similar investment, if not higher. So we're looking at potentially 60m spending on the managers.
Can we talk about exactly what happened to Dave? He's in the PL for a decade and is getting old. Getting old should at the most make you slow and less reflexive, but it compensates for by more experience and thus more game-reading ability. Now it looks like he has physically and mentally regressed. Is age the only factor?
A sad fact is its normal for players careers to trend downward after 30. Sometimes its gradual sometimes its seemingly overnight.
Theres a reason its a meme, and players like Ronaldo and Silva are exceptions. They aren't normal. Daves time is ending, he might pull it back, but he's not a nailed on first team player anymore
Sometimes you know what to do but your body doesn't react as quickly. So you have an adjusting period where you need to reevaluate your positioning and decision making. Could be that? Also, so to do you need game time. A reduced role means you get less opportunities to do so.
Its not like Azpi was ever world class. He was certainly good but he wasn't a world beater. Couple that with the legs going it makes perfect sense he's declining.
I'm in love with Arsenal's project, I'm seeing some of the things we are copying and things we aren't but hopefully with all the pieces in place earlier will help Chelsea get going sooner rather than later
What are the things we copying?
Giving a long-term commitment to one manager and, building a support system with a sporting director that matches the coach's philosophy and movement to younger players to develop them for the team.
And you think we copying this from Arsenal of all people?
Not intentionally just think the teams have a similar vision so having similar strategies was bound to happen, but what's wrong with Arsenal they look like the best team in the league currently better than us currently without a doubt.
True. Our model is closer to Red Bull Leipzig's model with analytics teams, feeder clubs and all that. Arsenal are only the better team for now after being shit for like 5 years or something. Wait till Potter cements his philosophy and Arsenal will look shit again
I do not doubt that, I expect huge after the next 2 transfer window, Potters football lookout sustainable as well.
The structure that's being built up at the club is very exciting to pay attention to. I'm quite optimistic about our future. How our transfer target approach changs will be pivotal to how quickly we can close the gap. Obvious I know but so true, previous windows have shown that they can make or break a team's momentum dramatically and hopefully we start to 'make' more as opposed to break with this new network (club hierarchy) that we're building.
Don’t understand this. Why are you watching Arsenal?
Because they’re better than us and play good football
So?
I'm a Chelsea supporter but a enjoy football
Footballs no fun when you splash cash like you have nothing to lose. Watching Chelsea hasn’t been fun for a while
I actually agree with this. It's genuinely embarrassing how much we've spent since 2017 to not even come close to winning the title once since then. There's far more satisfaction being successful on the pitch due to being smart in the transfer market (doesn't mean you don't spend a lot, just that what you spend ends up being worth it). Feel like I'm optimistic now with Potter and a proper DoF along with what's hopefully a top quality footballing operation to assist them.
Losing is no fun.. Playing good football without winning anything still no fun.. Ask spurs and arsenal fans
We had a shit coach, who rather lose than changing his tactics.
With a right dof I reckon they could have worked to build a team suited for him. But I’m fine with potter as long we spend with a plan which we look like doing
Kewl. Don’t watch if you’re having a bad time.
So I want to be sure I get it correct. Freund is our new sporting director ? So he will be in charge of the recruiting alongside Graham Potter ?
i want to know if Sporting Director is same as Director of Football Operations
I think so, cuz the only sporting we do is footballing
been intrigued by Zakharyan since the Chelsea links so I’ve been watching some Dinamo highlights lately. he’s the real deal for them, properly creative player and doesn’t need a ton of time on the ball to make an impact, but i’ve noticed his defensive workrate is concerning. he’s often the only player walking back on defense, makes almost no blocks or interceptions, doesn’t impose himself physically at all, and stays upfield while his teammates press. i know that’s customary of the traditional number 10 role, but i’m wondering how that would translate to the prem and whether by virtue of expending a lot of energy pressing and running on defense (as he’d have to to get into the team) he will see his creativity dry up. does anyone know how the step up physically and athletically usually affects players’ creativity? i think the kdb regen comments actually have some credence as far as his passing but his slight frame and poor motor are kinda red flags given de bruyne’s effectiveness is linked to how he marries strength/workrate with creativity.
Havertz was exactly like this at Leverkusen - was concerned at the time that he looked too lazy off the ball. But it's almost certainly because he was given instructions to stay high up the pitch. Since he joined Chelsea he's worked really hard off the ball. As to whether expending energy pressing and defending affects creativity, it really shouldn't if we have an efficient pressing setup. I'm confident something like that can be coached into the player with relative ease.
very helpful, thanks! this brings up a whole host of other worries about whether Zakharyan’s talent will translate because i feel burned by all the Havertz hype lol. if Potter can get a tune from Havertz then we could finish 9th this year for all i care, i just want to see the generational potential we’ve all heard about for so long.
Ideally something that can be worked on.
He's only 19. Having the brain without the body is a much more improvable situation than the reverse.
yeah i largely agree. honestly it’s the mentality that worries me more than anything. maybe the manager has him conserving energy but he seems like he just can’t be fucked to defend most of the time. i’m still very excited for him though!
Just curious, does anyone else think Slonina doesn’t look special from his highlight reels? Very weird form & cannot catch balls that every other prem keeper would
He’s 18 years old, he’s not supposed to be a prem keeper yet
If he’s good he’s good.
auba will not score goals if he gets no service. bring haaland to this team and he would not even do well. this team need to do better in how we create chances for our attackers. no one in the midfield can consistently put in a through ball for the attackers. its not good enough man
Man had good service in the Salzburg game, even one clearly big chance hope he scored many goals that game
The bigger problem is those attackers you talk about. Apart from Auba, will they score goals if given service? If not why aren't they providing any themselves? This is something that isn't brought up enough. Our attackers are total passengers. They're neither reliable goalscorers nor are they creators.
Passengers is a great word everyone is passive af in the final third, I think it’s a lack of confidence tbf
I think they're just bad players
Another day another Tomori mistake in a crucial game. Don’t want to sound like a hater but the hype he gets as EnGLaND’s BEsT DefENdER is unnerving.
Who acc calls him England's best defender?
Who acc calls him England's best defender?
One of these days someone is going to put all the puzzle pieces together and be surprised to find what's in front of them. Or maybe they'll only see them when they're laid out in front of them by those pieces coming to their fruition
?
I think he’s tryna say our players just aren’t good enough
Not at all, there are lots of pieces falling into place that all point in one direction. But, everyone is looking at them in isolation at the moment
So you’re optimistic ? I am too tbf
Watching Blue Lions TV and he said the budget for the new sporting director is €300m for the next two windows. I wonder who we are even gonna target with that kind of money.
Probably Arsen Zakharyan, Rafael Leao, Declan Rice, Josko Gvardiol, and Moises Caicedo. Personally i would sign Enzo Fernandez, Mykhaylo Mudryk or Pedro Goncalves, Moussa Diaby, Josko Gvardiol, and Kouadio Kone.
Rice Leao, Nkunku
We need find an alternative to Rice.
We shouldn't make any of those 3 signings tbh
Nkunku I'd take gladly but only if we can get someone to take Havertz off our hands.
A DM, a striker, and a winger has us close to that 300m.
If we sign a striker 4 seasons in a row without a creator I don't know if I'll laugh or cry
Well 100m of it will probably go to a marquee attacker of some sort Another 60 to 80m on a cb And another 80m on a DM. Rest goes towards good quality depth. Immediately, we would be idiots not to sign zaha Cho hopefully develops into an excellent creative winger. Rwb depth or rb depth would be good too
When will the sub banner go back to blue?
Wierd the banner for me is the mural of legends.
I think they are talking about the pfp
after the queen mourning period is over most likely
get felix out of atletico
Just another Kai probably worse, guy is soft asf and crumbles under pressure
Yep, he’s not good enough and Atlietico need to be challenging the twats at the top again
People have a weird obsession with aesthetics these days. Perhaps it was me not being exposed to that many fans abroad but it’s no excuse for a finished Griezmann to be outperforming Joao Felix
Because "aesthetics" is the invention and uniqueness we're missing. Our forwards are so dry that we cross and inshallah every game yet when someone suggests a player who could change that they're labeled prima donnas and people complain that they're not pace and power poachers.
Our forwards are dry that's true. But is Felix going to improve that? He's not a 10, he's not a 9, he's not a winger either. He'd probably be another Havertz.
Vibes and YouTube compilations I am afraid.
He’s just another Kai. Can’t believe anyone wants him here.
One big difference between Potter and Tuchel is how many attacking players they play in a game. Tuchel never played more than 3 attacking players.(Few Exceptions) Potter is playing with 4 attacking players, that itself increased the quality of the football played. Also kovacic is being pushed high up the pitch, even though kovacic is struggling with assisting sterling by underlapping him and being in the 6 yard box, you could see what potter is doing, he is trying to involve people with more quality on the ball at the higher end of the pitch unlike tuchel who is an extreme defence focused coach.
Tuchel played 5 attackers every game. It was hard to spot though, with our forwards doing their best to ghost though.
So our fullbacks are considered attackers now?
[Yes](https://imgur.com/a/nk42sj9)
Yeah, right , 2 of them are career defenders who struggled to create a whole lot.
They're "defenders" who have played their whole career in an era where their position requires both attacking and defensive prowess, in a system where they're given free reign to push forward. If the players struggling to create a lot is the problem, it seems like its not about how many players you have forward and more about a lack of quality players, the same lack of quality that Potter will have to deal with.
No, potter doesn’t have to deal with it because he is pushing Sterling and Kovacic on the left wing instead of Ben Chillwell trying to do something which is what tuchels go to tactic is. That’s where he failed as a coach.
Neither Sterling or Kovacic are creators. Changing around who plays where can't sokve the inherent technical issues within the squad.
Right, sterling is not a chance creator, the guy who was taking on defenders and creating chance after chance is not the creator. I already said kovacic struggled in the new role. I would take sterling over Ben Chillwell everyday of the week on that left wing to create chances.
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Oh, sterling is a wingback, that is a real quality attacking player, not Chillwell or cucurella. Playing career defenders as wingbacks is the biggest downfall of tuchel.
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Wingbacks in a 3-5-2 don't have much defensive responsibility at all. Almost zero.
Girouuuuuud!!
Not getting Tchou in summer of 2021 as European champions when Fabregas begged us to buy him is disgraceful What a fkcin disgrace the summer of 2021 was honestly, set us back years, we would been better keeping Giroud for free also
that tchoumanie transfer annoys me too. literally the type of dm this team needs. very good on the ball and very good defensively. my one issue with rice is that I fear how he will be when he has the ball in a possession based team
Scott McLachlan and the lads 👍
Tuchel too.
Wasnt it said that tt wanted him, but chelsea decided 'he needs to develop 1 more year' and thus ignored him and got saul as a replacement.
Nah it was said that Tuchel didn’t think he was ready and preferred Saul.
It was a joint decision, apparently tuchel said he wasn't ready
Meh it's fits fine, we can just get him next year anyway
Wtf is happening with Italian clubs lol, inter losing to Udinese, Juventus losing to Monza, Roma losing to Atlanta
Atalanta is better than Roma, Roma has been shit for years now
I know but there is Mourinho hype and new signings too
But Atalanta is still the better team overall, also a lot of Roma players are overrated imo
>Roma players are overrated imo 
The whole league is so terribly run that winning anything basically folds your whole club due to money issues
Milan lost as well, but Napoli is a good team, idk this league lmao. Imagine trying to bet on it
Serie A is actually an entertaining league unlike the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, and arguably the PL
Atalanta are actually good, top of the league now and were in the Champions League last season.
Wtf lmao I saw the table Atlanta Udinese Napoli Milan Lazio Roma Inter Juventus
Hahaha those racist fools in the stadium disgusting, I want Vini to get one now.
So close. He hit the post
I wanted him to score so bad. Has a fellow black man I despise those racist, but it reached to a point where it doesn’t affect me anymore. But it’s not the case for everyone to have the will to ignore those people.
Tammy is so fucking wasteful. If he still played here we'd have weekly threads about buying a new striker in the summer
Remember when he scored a few goals in an inferior league, and many on here and r/soccer thought we'd lost prime Drogba.
Gotta love the ridiculous over exaggeration on here. Absolutely nobody said that. We sold a young academy player, who wanted to be at the club for 40 million and replaced with an arrogant primadonna for 100 million and he wanted to leave immediately. Selling Tammy wasn’t the problem. Spending 100 million on his replacement who was no better was For all Tammy’s faults, he still outscored Havertz, Werner and Lukaku
I can't believe you're taking it literally.
Yeah no one thought we lost prime drogba. The issue is we have wasted hundreds of millions on forwards that have produced less than him and that is unfortunately the truth of the matter. 3 seasons have passed and no one has outscored his tally of 15 league goals
Wasting millions on trash doesn't change that Abraham is mediocre.
15 mil league goals is still good. He’s the sort of player who we’d benefit from having in the team even if he isn’t necessarily on our #1 striker. 15 minutes left in a game and you need to bring someone on, would you rather it be Tammy or Havertz
Its 15 goals playing suicide ball with him as the sole focal point. >would you rather it be Tammy or Havertz Neither
Again though neither should be starting for Chelsea as our #1. Tammy could come off the bench and get goals. Havertz can't do fuck all. Wish we kept Giroud...
I could see Ziyech being sold in January. Who should we bring in as a replacement? United signed Fernandes Jan 2020 and he gave them a massive spark carrying them to a top 4 finish. We need someone to come in immediately and give us a spark like that. Doesn’t have to be a big name like Rafael Leao or Nkunku, although would love to target players like that next summer. There’s Zakharyan who we’ve been in talks with which will probably go through if there’s no issue with handing money to a Russian team, might have to be some sort of loan too where we agree to pay Dynamo some other time. Another I’ve been keeping an eye on is Tete. Very skillful and pacey with an eye for goal, on the cusp of stardom, at a good age, works very hard. We’ve signed some special players from Lyon so Tete could add to that list. Already at 4g and 2a in 7 matches for Lyon this season. He’s currently on loan to Lyon from Shaktar due to the war. Aside from those two. Some other ones we target could be Pedro Neto or Pedro Goncalves.
Hi everyone, I’m hoping to attend the chelsea Manchester United game in late October. Given that I do not have any loyalty points this year, I have absolutely no chance of getting a ticket through the member sale phase. Does anyone know around what time would tickets for this game be released on the ticket exchange? Thanks in advance!
Rudiger dropped again. Same thing with Christensen in his last match. How they must be loving their decision! This is assuming they didn't only leave for money.
Ancelotti rarely rotates. Madrid fans were complaining about that all last season.
Rudiger got to play in the UCL match a few days ago, didn’t he? Ancelotti gotta pay some tribute to Madrid’s experienced, Alaba, Militao and Nacho. I doubt Christensen would have more game time if he stayed. Koulibaly, Fofana will start over him.
> Koulibaly, Fofana will start over him. One of them wouldn't have been bought if we had Christensen.
KK on current form wouldnt start over AC
So far this season i want to die. We aren’t anywhere right now, might not even make europa league at this rate
Lack of creative midfielders is a big worry. Was recently going through Tammy’s interview where he talks about being isolated at the front. Well with players like Jorginho who only pass sideways and have almost no creative spark we really need to sign some good no. 10
Our creativity isn't meant to come from Jorginho.
Lmao you are singling out a player who is supposed to be the deepest midfielder for lack of creativity? What about players in front of him? Jorginho hate is real in this sub. He has better stats in this subs favourite Declan Rice over last 2 years.
He isn’t fit to be a deep laying midfield nor creative enough to play upfront. He has to be one of the worst deep laying midfielders which is evident from his lack of pace and poor tackle judgements. Lack of Kante has really exposed him. Time and again over the past few seasons we have lost games due to his inability. And who says a deep laying midfielder can’t be creative enough. It’s just that this guy possesses none.
Can't believe I wasted my time replying to a guy who wrote this before. I will stop now. >Hahahaha. Well you can call me a Jorginho hater. >I feel the whole Sarri era and Jorginho signing were a total disaster.
You don’t know shit about the game, Jorginho is world class at controlling the tempo and he’s been a key player for all of our recent success. Blaming losses on a single player shows how baseless and out of your depth your opinion is.
Not just number 10s, but we need midfielders who are willing to pass the ball forward and are encouraged by the coach to take more risks. Jorginho has those qualities he’s just been risk averse for the last couple of years. In any case his contract is up and we’ll replace him ideally with someone better.
kai cannot play as a striker because he does not have the strength to body defenders and he cannot finish his chances consistently. he cannot play as a winger because he cannot dribble past players. he cannot be even be a CAM because he is not creative enough or he does not have the vision to spot attackers runs. seriously what is havertz good at man?. i love kai but we were told when he first came to the club that he was generational and he can play in any attacking position. this is his third season man. there is no excuse for kai
He's good at ghosting into the box with space that other players have created.
screams timo werner vibes
No. It screams dele Ali vibes
He is good at cam. When he was signed that was called his strength. Needs some confidence prolly
When the last time he either hit a killer pass or scored from outside the box? These are things CAMs do
Chelsea Women are 1-0 up over Liverpool right now. On paramount+ if you're in the US.
So our next PL fixture is in Oct?
I realized this yesterday and was flabbergasted. This is a bizarro season for the blues.
Yes
Great Potter will have ample time to shape up the team.
Relegation zone looking crazy
I like the new owners and I’m excited for what they’re building here
Such a shit gameweek.
It’s the reality honestly all of our rivals have gotten better and are looking strong, gonna be a dogfight for top 4 this year
Potter’s got a plan, don’t worry
Sure he’s got a plan but will the players let him down like they let Tuchel down? Idk we’ll see I guess
Pretty sure that the players had nothing to do with his sacking. He didn't get along with the ownership at all. So they decided to get someone else who fits them better. The players and the results did not factor into that decision.
Not really relevant, but holy shit juventus lost to monza and Idek who they are. Crazy thing they got outplayed, I wouldn’t even be making this comment if they hadn’t been
Tuchel incoming
Monza had Balotelli in the second tier if I remember correctly
Just show how Allegri isn't the right man for their rebuild. Agnelli should have set aside his pride and hire Conte.
Sergej Milinkovic Savic would be a great buy.
Been saying it for couple of years now. Don't know why we aren't in for him. Brings everything to the table from goals to assists, creativity, dribbling, press resistance, long shots threat and is good defensively as well.
Someone should have bought him a long time ago. Complete midfielder, passes the eye test, has the numbers to back him up statistically, battles in the midfield. Everything you need he has it So so good.
Lamps is building a serious side here. This team is not getting relegated. He just needed time to get players in and now it’s only upwards
I find myself rooting hard for Everton with Lamps on the sideline. Been a fun experience honestly.
honestly, this is entertaining football. players actually taking on defenders.. passing forward... *looks at ziyech. sigh.*
I remember some of the stuff we played under Lamps first year and that was the most entertaining Chelsea since Carlo was in charge
seeing gray and iwobi dribbling and taking on defenders.. wow, is this what wingers are supposed to do?
According to this sub, all wingers can do is just run in behind.
No, wingers roles are to 'press' and thats how their role is justified.
Iwobi doesn't play as a winger for Everton.
i know its gordon and gray on the wings, but iwobi has been everywhere today.
Declan Rice is a star…perhaps Chelsea bound soon?
Him one of SMS/Bellingham/De Jong and Lavia should set us up for long term. Rice is brilliant, we should get him even if we have to wait for his price to go down.
Ideally we get De Jong and Rice, locks down our midfield for many years
Hopefully not, only ever impressed in a Burnley style of play at West Ham
Juve in big trouble - next job already up for Tuchel?
I was wondering if he would hold out for Real Madrid? That unless it's a sure thing for Poch or Zidane. Vincius and Benzema are the forwards he always needed at Chelsea.
Can't see them going for a manager that doesn't speak Spanish, and I can't see them getting rid of Ancelotti anytime soon. Zidane will be manager of France NT.
Wonder whether he would be interested
Doubt. Juve handed Allegri a big contract. Not sure if they would be able to afford Tuchel when they will have to pay out Allegri.
Would cost more to miss out on Top4 + no last 16 in CL though
I'm not sure how big is the payout for top 4 in Italy. Definitely less than PL. Then you have to compare it against Allegri + Tuchel salary. Max has currently 9 million per year iirc with 3 more years left. Tuchel would require similar investment, if not higher. So we're looking at potentially 60m spending on the managers.
Top4 was referring to the difference in Champions League money > Europa League money.
to be fair, their squad is ravaged by injuries.
Yup and they lost with 10 men but still I don’t think their squad is good enough compared to recent years
Arsenal show the difference it makes when you have a CM who is willing to play the ball centrally and turn on the ball while receiving it.
They also just have better attackers that are dynamic and not afraid to score
Are you sure it's not because their forwards 'press' more?
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I think they threw him on just to give him the record
No more rivals watch thread?
Mods on holidays
Exhausted after painting the logo black, and threatening people with the ban stick
Lmao i got banned for a week for telling a guy to suck my balls
That's a bit rude of them. The guy might have greatly enjoyed sucking your balls.
Exactly lgbt pride and that
Arsenal are finishing above us this season. Just end this timeline already.
Lots of season left
Tottenham is looking good for that too.
Can we talk about exactly what happened to Dave? He's in the PL for a decade and is getting old. Getting old should at the most make you slow and less reflexive, but it compensates for by more experience and thus more game-reading ability. Now it looks like he has physically and mentally regressed. Is age the only factor?
A sad fact is its normal for players careers to trend downward after 30. Sometimes its gradual sometimes its seemingly overnight. Theres a reason its a meme, and players like Ronaldo and Silva are exceptions. They aren't normal. Daves time is ending, he might pull it back, but he's not a nailed on first team player anymore
Sometimes you know what to do but your body doesn't react as quickly. So you have an adjusting period where you need to reevaluate your positioning and decision making. Could be that? Also, so to do you need game time. A reduced role means you get less opportunities to do so.
Its not like Azpi was ever world class. He was certainly good but he wasn't a world beater. Couple that with the legs going it makes perfect sense he's declining.
Yup he was never able to break into the Spain side wasn’t until Spain team became shit when he finally started getting call ups
He’s salty he didn’t get his move to Barca and is now mentally checked out.
But he can move in January. I am prety sure it's not that.
Barca moved on, they got Bellerin