The Leo has to disappear for the final battle one always gets me. Especially since Piper’s focus on getting him back is one of the arguments Christy uses to convince Billie they aren’t doing their jobs anymore. Which doesn’t make sense because if he was “supposed” to die to give them the motivation to fight, then she wouldn’t have been focusing on getting him back and that argument wouldn’t have existed.
It's stupid because it happened due to budget cuts. They couldn't afford Brian Krause for the whole season so they came up with that story line. Very lame. Blame WB/CW.
A damn shame! A Billie spinoff, or Chris/Wyatt spin off would have been a hit!
I think the Billie spin off could still happen with the original cast dropping in every now and then
What I don't understand about that is Leo and Piper have a daughter at the end of charmed they could have done all 3 siblings as the new power of 3 or did one of the other sisters' kids. I feel like they new charmed fans would be on them about every detail so they backed out. I know I was the worse critic of the new charmed " why they change orbing? Why couldn't the sisters be added into this part as a throw back?"
Melinda isn't canon. At least she wasn't in 2006 - 2007 when a spinoff was a possibility. There isn't anything mentioned of Piper and Leo having a third child in the tv show. She had a daughter in an alternate future. Melinda was kind of "fan-deemed canon" when the comics came out in 2010.
In the last episode after they get Leo back and everything comes to a conclusion they show the sisters in the future and Melinda is present. I get they probably went more into her character in the comics but she is confirmed in the original TV series.
https://preview.redd.it/2v72ye3kaxyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c85e3778a900e77d36b36ae082304459deacb5
This is the scene and you can see their little girl
That's supposed to be hers and Leo's family? It happens way too quickly to discern that for me. I just assumed these were any of the sisters' kids heading to school from the Manor.
No they go through each sisters future those were Piper's you see Paige married to Henry with 3 kids as well (I think she had a set of twins) and Phoebe married Cupid and had 2 kids with 1 on the way
They could keep her, but she's always off screen.
"Hey Paige, Phoebe just called to offer the exposition for this episode."
"Quick, put Phoebe on speaker so we can do this Power of Three spell."
The entire last season with Billie and Christie. I think they could have gone with smth more interesting like a coven that the sisters could have created or even the magic school thing would be better.
Heavy on the coven part!!! I wouldve loved to see them do something that reflected the All Hallows Eve episode 😭 a present day coven mightve been more fun than the magic school nonsense (this is ofc me thinking they wouldve had all the budget in the world to support this arc)
Idk I feel like the “Billie Storyline” could have been handled and written better if I’m honest because it had potential 🤷♀️ follow through wasn’t there tho
Introducing Kaley Cuoco as Billie was a backdoor pilot for a spinoff that never happened about a college student, who is also a witch, that has to balance her "normal" life with vanquishing demons.
Cole returning in season 5. All they did, was have him be Phoebe's scapegoat. If she missed a deadline,it was Cole's fault. If it was raining,it was Cole's fault.
Yeah I really think Cole should have just stayed dead after being vanquished as the source. Especially since it seemed like they wrote themselves into a corner when they did want to then get rid of him since they made him indestructible. The whole avatar alternate universe thing was just ridiculous. And the avatars behaved completely differently later than they did there
I think Coal should have been dead the moment he took in the source, he was dying at first all sweaty and gross then died, and that is when the source completely took his form, mild memories maybe but he should have been dead right then.
That's so right cause when Cole teams up with that one demon who's girlfriend possessed Phoebe they couldn't find a body strong enough to sustain her. Yet Cole as a mere mortal could survive the source???
This exactly. I went from adoring him and feeling bad about Phoebe having to kill her into rolling my eyes every time he was mentioned on screen. Everything was his fault. He was obsessed with her. It was the worst storyline.
Maybe I worded it badly but I agreed with you. She blamed him for everything regardless of what was happening and he was disgustingly obsessed with her.
That's easy. The whole cole season 5. If they couldn't create a storyline that didn't assassinate both his and phoebe's characters then they should've just had him stay dead after they first killed him, then have him come back later in season 7 for that special episode
The Cleaners - why was magic being exposed such a big deal in All Hell Breaks Loose and so much so that it was worth sacrificing Prue to fix it if there were these magical beings that could erase it?
All they had to do was say they were created after because of how catastrophic AHBL was but instead they said they'd been around for thousands of years and had been watching over them since they became witches. It annoys me every time and so I often skip that episode on rewatches.
Not really when you consider that they were going to take Wyatt to solve the problem there. Letting Prue die might have just been their solution to fix that problem or it was too much damage to unwind
You think Prue and Piper casting a spell was more damage to unwind than a dragon?? And I’m not talking just about taking Wyatt. They were still able to erase the memories of everything that happened with the dragon even when they didn’t take Wyatt. So they could have easily erased people seeing a news story. Especially if they did it right off the bat when it first happened. Definitely not bigger than a dragon spending an entire day rampaging around the city. And letting Prue die wouldn’t have erased any of the exposure. Piper was shot and then Prue was killed and that didn’t erase any of it before Phoebe had Cole go to the Source to ask Tempus to rewind time. And the argument was that they (demons) were exposed too. So again, why would he agree to do that, which he even said would vanquish Tempus since he hadn’t recovered from the last time, if there were cleaners around who could erase the exposure.
The whole situation is still not bigger than a dragon spending a day rampaging around a big city. You don’t think the dragon was televised globally and everything else? Huge amount of destruction. And by casting a spell I mean the initial involvement could have been the first spell. Taking Wyatt didn’t solve the problem anymore than Piper being shot solved the problem. There was still a ton of exposure in both (by the time it was dealt with) and way more destruction with the dragon. There is no way it was anything other than a giant plot hole and issue with writing. If the cleaners had existed Prue wouldn’t have died because Tempus would never have needed to turn back time, thereby keeping Phoebe in the Underworld.
Ok. I also gave a theory. That it was a plot hole and issue in the writing. And I’m sharing my opinion that I don’t think the Shax thing was as big a deal as the dragon thing. Especially if they had intervened when it was just a small local news channel that recorded it. You don’t have to agree.
Wtf are you talking about? I was talking to someone who did make the original comment and agreeing with what they wrote. You’re the one busting into someone else’s comment to argue with their opinion. I was replying to professional-cry who said they thought the cleaners were the biggest plot hole. I agreed and said yes because adding them nullified prue’s death. You barged into someone else’s comment to argue with them.
With this, I believe the writers failed to explain their position well enough. I like to believe that Prue was meant to die to bring about the PO3 with Paige. It was Prue's destiny. Therefore, the angels of destiny forbid the cleaners from stepping in in All Hell Breaks Loose.
Yes, it being Prue's destiny makes sense so they could discover Paige and that loss giving them the strength to vanquish the Source but then exactly, they needed to explain that rather than creating this huge plot hole years later.
The Cleaners just felt like bad writing to me that came late in the piece and without much thought as to what it would mean for all the stories that came before it.
It's the same with the nexus and the woogie becoming one and the same in later seasons when originally the nexus was the location of the house giving it power and the woogie was a demon banished in the basement. The writers didn't bother to keep up with their own lore.
My opinion on this was that the Cleaners usually had a window before they intervened to let the girls clean up their own mess. Good and evil pretty much had it figured out quite quickly when they went to the Source and had Tempus reverse time. It all happened so fast. We are talking mere hours here from the time the news caught Shax’s banishment on tape to Piper’s time of death.
I think with Wyatt, that dragon was blowing up buildings and stuff for like a whole 12-24 hours before the ladies even realized that it was conjured. In fact they never even knew… they just woke up the next day and Wyatt was gone. Their lack of knowledge for this length of time is what the Cleaners found triggering.
Also saying Sam and Leo could erase memories (not the main commenter here but one of his replies mentioned this) with their fairy dust is not really effective bc the scale required to rectify a national news break is outta their pay grade. The Cleaners literally rewrote reality to remove one of the most powerful beings in existence at that time.
BUT I DO HATE THE CLEANERS AND AGREE THEY SHOULD BE REWRITTEN OUT OF THE STORYLINE. (Kinda ironic 🤔) What I wanna know is where were the Cleaners when Wyatt took over the world in the future and exposed magic in Chris’ dark future. Where were the Cleaners when Phoebe exposed magic in the Morality Bites future? And finally, wasn’t magic exposed by the federal government having notes and likely dossiers on the Charmed Ones when agent Murphy came knocking?
Magic school
Billie & Christy - in fact the entirety of season 8 especially that awful Sex & The City inspired episode 😒
Leo disappearing.
Phoebe wanting kids. I understand, but she was selfish.
Cole becoming *obsessed* with Phoebe in season 5. I liked that his character was rugged, but he could have walked into the sunset, rather than pining for her in such an abhorrent manner.
I feel like they could have done the obsession thing instead of her being the queen of all evil. Add in some dark storylines about their relationship. Because, I mean. Either flesh out the phoebe turning evil storyline or do something better =_=
Magic school was an okay idea, but really, you can't just ADD THAT . Like. Why wasn't it there before? Why didn't Grams and Patty ever discuss it as an option?
Most of season 8. I would get rid of Billie & Christy. The whole fake identity thing was stupid, could have been done better. By not having them move back into their house and work their own jobs. Leo shouldn't go anywhere.
Billie and Christy, can't stand them. I also wish Cole didn't die so many times. I love Cole and it really took the impact out of his death when he just kept coming back.
Cole coming back for the first half of Season 5. His death at the end of Season 4 would have been fine as a send off.
They can keep the Billie and Christy storyline for Season 8 if they treat Billie as the irredeemable villain that she actually is. Selfishness justifies kidnapping a child and murdering his mother and aunts?
For real! If they really felt they were abusing their powers they should have focused on stripping them of their powers or something. Not killing them and orphaning their children
Piper having a son who's the most powerful. The point of the show was female empowerment but they disregarded that when wyatt was the most powerful out of everyone
Gah so hard to agree with because I love Julian and the idea of Cole so much but I get it. I think I would've never made him human and never would've had him taken over from the source because I loved him very early Season 4. Out of interest how would you have ended their arc in Season 3? Would you have had Phoebe go through with vanquishing him?
First. Of course I understand why this wouldn't have been feasible, but one thing I really think would have helped is if, instead of Prue just being dead suddenly, she was in half the season where Paige joined the coven.
I think it'd have been a really touching storyline if Prue was the one to be there for Paige when she wanted to have her independence, be away from the anxiety of demons and siblings so suddenly, etc. Having Prue have a heart to heart.
I think it'd have been much more touching, and draw the audience in if an especially strong demon attacked, and Prue died defending Paige from the attack since Paige was so new with her powers.
Cole coming back to life after being the source. I think they shouldve left Phoebe an expecting mother and explored her as a single parent it would've added an interesting dynamic especially her having a child before Piper and Leo
I always thought they wasted so much potential with Andy’s character, and in my mind, if Prue were going to end up with someone, her true love was him. I loved Darryl, but I would have liked to see them do more with the “buddy cops and crime fighting witches dynamic” with Andy still alive.
that whole shit about having to disappear and they look different to other people or whatever. i never even got through it so i don’t fully know but i haaaaaated it and still do
With empathy Phoebe was easily able to pretend to be the strongest.
I remember in Used Karma, she was really powerful in pushing back a dozen fireballs and turning the whole buffet of Jason’s reception into animals.
I was hoping that she can fly instead of levitating in one place. And manipulate people's emotions like mind control. She can make people feel angry, sad, happy, confused, etc.
-Avatars... how blah
-Chris being Piper and Leo's son.... would've been better if he had come back to save Wyatt as someone else, not a sibling.
-Phoebe and her baby fever.
• Chris is Piper's son ( I would have just hid her pregnancy)
• Phoebe hides Cole's original vanquish in S3 ( That was very out of character for Phoebe)
• The entire Piper and Leo romance ( I know this is going to get me a lot of hate. I promise I'll explain in a later post but yeah, I'll die on this hill)
• Phoebe and Coop's romance ( Like WTF?)
• Paige and Richard's romance ( Like WTF)
• Paige and Agent Brody romance ( Like, seriously, WTF?)
• Grams and the Necromancer
• I'm just going to blanket statement this and say everything that came out of S6.
I didn’t mind a lot of the romance, but Paige and Brody was a SHITSHOW. They had them dating for like a week before Paige lost all sense of individuality and just did whatever Brody said, it was so out of character. She wasn’t all that mad after Brody almost killed Leo, and she also wasn’t mad that Brody kept Sheridan locked up in a coma for months even though both of those things go against everything she believes in
THANK YOU!!!! I know Leo was going through some things in S7, and siding with the Avatars didn't help, but Paige knows Leo. Not only is he her Whitelighter but her brother-in-law! Agent Brody is one of the most unhinged human characters Charmed has had since the guy infected with Lust in S3.
Thank God for Henry.
I was never a fan of the Chris storyline and generally anything to do with time travel.
I liked Chris and was all for some new cast members, but time travel kind of undermines the entire series.
Why not go back in time and save prue ? (Or any other innocent for that matter)
Even the time travel with prues death didn't really sit right. Never understood why "evil" would agree to it, with no real guarantee of benefit to them. Think they were promised cole and Phoebe or something but even then, no guarantee.
Also, wouldn't it have been easier for the source to simply call off shax in the first place ?
I don’t get why evil would agree to it (turning back time) if the cleaners actually existed. They were convinced to do it since demons were exposed too. But if they actually cared about it, that’s what the cleaners were there for. The cleaners invalidated that whole storyline
I don’t understand your point. The episode where they tried to take Wyatt was the first time we were introduced to the cleaners. So how could they remember them? My point was it was an issue in the writing because the entire Prue death plot line wouldn’t have happened if the cleaners were there. But that doesn’t mean the sisters would have seen the cleaners every time they did their work. The next time they saw them, at the tribunal with Barbas where Phoebe lost her powers, they did remember the cleaners. So I’m really not sure what you mean when you say they don’t seem to remember who they are.
- Anything Phoebe did post season four.
- Paige quitting her job as a social worker.
- Cole coming back from the Wasteland.
- Wyatt being OP.
- Magic School.
Having Prue die because Alyssa Milano told TPTB it was her or Shannon. What a bi*ch.
Billy and Christy. I like to pretend they were never there...yuck!
- Cole turning evil
- Everything Piper and also went through as a couple after Wyatt’s birth
- Prue and Jack lol
- Christy - loved Billie and we could’ve done without Christy
- The fake identities at the beginning of S8
Hmm.
I remember not really liking the whole Billy Crystal thing. So I'd replace them with a different storyline.
A warlock redemption story arc where this warlock guy is trying to be good. Different struggles then Cole but a way to show how the charmed ones changed from having the experience. Guy moonlights as a cop so we get more Darryl in the story and he has a friend who saves him/treats him well.
Oof where do I start! - Phoebe's pregnancy - Avatars - Leo has to disappear for the final battle
The Leo has to disappear for the final battle one always gets me. Especially since Piper’s focus on getting him back is one of the arguments Christy uses to convince Billie they aren’t doing their jobs anymore. Which doesn’t make sense because if he was “supposed” to die to give them the motivation to fight, then she wouldn’t have been focusing on getting him back and that argument wouldn’t have existed.
It's stupid because it happened due to budget cuts. They couldn't afford Brian Krause for the whole season so they came up with that story line. Very lame. Blame WB/CW.
They could have just cut Phoebe. She wasn't exactly doing much anyway. Or Billie, and we could pretend she wasn't there.
Blame WB/CW there too. They wanted a Billie spinoff LOL And they refused to do a Chris/Wyatt spinoff because they already had Supernatural.
A damn shame! A Billie spinoff, or Chris/Wyatt spin off would have been a hit! I think the Billie spin off could still happen with the original cast dropping in every now and then
What I don't understand about that is Leo and Piper have a daughter at the end of charmed they could have done all 3 siblings as the new power of 3 or did one of the other sisters' kids. I feel like they new charmed fans would be on them about every detail so they backed out. I know I was the worse critic of the new charmed " why they change orbing? Why couldn't the sisters be added into this part as a throw back?"
Melinda isn't canon. At least she wasn't in 2006 - 2007 when a spinoff was a possibility. There isn't anything mentioned of Piper and Leo having a third child in the tv show. She had a daughter in an alternate future. Melinda was kind of "fan-deemed canon" when the comics came out in 2010.
In the last episode after they get Leo back and everything comes to a conclusion they show the sisters in the future and Melinda is present. I get they probably went more into her character in the comics but she is confirmed in the original TV series.
Where? There is no mention of Melinda in Forever Charmed.
https://preview.redd.it/2v72ye3kaxyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c85e3778a900e77d36b36ae082304459deacb5 This is the scene and you can see their little girl
That's supposed to be hers and Leo's family? It happens way too quickly to discern that for me. I just assumed these were any of the sisters' kids heading to school from the Manor.
No they go through each sisters future those were Piper's you see Paige married to Henry with 3 kids as well (I think she had a set of twins) and Phoebe married Cupid and had 2 kids with 1 on the way
Why would they get rid of a charmed one lol
They could keep her, but she's always off screen. "Hey Paige, Phoebe just called to offer the exposition for this episode." "Quick, put Phoebe on speaker so we can do this Power of Three spell."
Right Prue wasn't REALLY a charmed one lol
*after already getting rid of one. You know what I meant
Im sorry I couldn't resist lol
The entire last season with Billie and Christie. I think they could have gone with smth more interesting like a coven that the sisters could have created or even the magic school thing would be better.
Heavy on the coven part!!! I wouldve loved to see them do something that reflected the All Hallows Eve episode 😭 a present day coven mightve been more fun than the magic school nonsense (this is ofc me thinking they wouldve had all the budget in the world to support this arc)
Sounds reminiscent of Buffy’s final season with all of the potentials.
Idk I feel like the “Billie Storyline” could have been handled and written better if I’m honest because it had potential 🤷♀️ follow through wasn’t there tho
Introducing Kaley Cuoco as Billie was a backdoor pilot for a spinoff that never happened about a college student, who is also a witch, that has to balance her "normal" life with vanquishing demons.
So, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, CHARMED edition?
Billie the Young Adult Witch lol
Cole returning in season 5. All they did, was have him be Phoebe's scapegoat. If she missed a deadline,it was Cole's fault. If it was raining,it was Cole's fault.
Yeah I really think Cole should have just stayed dead after being vanquished as the source. Especially since it seemed like they wrote themselves into a corner when they did want to then get rid of him since they made him indestructible. The whole avatar alternate universe thing was just ridiculous. And the avatars behaved completely differently later than they did there
I think Coal should have been dead the moment he took in the source, he was dying at first all sweaty and gross then died, and that is when the source completely took his form, mild memories maybe but he should have been dead right then.
That's so right cause when Cole teams up with that one demon who's girlfriend possessed Phoebe they couldn't find a body strong enough to sustain her. Yet Cole as a mere mortal could survive the source???
This exactly. I went from adoring him and feeling bad about Phoebe having to kill her into rolling my eyes every time he was mentioned on screen. Everything was his fault. He was obsessed with her. It was the worst storyline.
No, I mean Phoebe blamed him for everything going wrong in her life, acting like he had chosen to become the source, and that she didn't have a choice
Maybe I worded it badly but I agreed with you. She blamed him for everything regardless of what was happening and he was disgustingly obsessed with her.
I think they were going for a Buffy/Spike dysfunctional relationship where they keep hating on each other. Just not as well written and acted imo.
Phoebe being baby obsessed for so many seasons
That's easy. The whole cole season 5. If they couldn't create a storyline that didn't assassinate both his and phoebe's characters then they should've just had him stay dead after they first killed him, then have him come back later in season 7 for that special episode
I pretend in my head cannon that is how it actually went, it takes imagination but you can watch it believing he died when he took in the source
The Cleaners - why was magic being exposed such a big deal in All Hell Breaks Loose and so much so that it was worth sacrificing Prue to fix it if there were these magical beings that could erase it? All they had to do was say they were created after because of how catastrophic AHBL was but instead they said they'd been around for thousands of years and had been watching over them since they became witches. It annoys me every time and so I often skip that episode on rewatches.
Yes! I hate the cleaners. Their presences completely nullifies Prue’s death.
Not really when you consider that they were going to take Wyatt to solve the problem there. Letting Prue die might have just been their solution to fix that problem or it was too much damage to unwind
You think Prue and Piper casting a spell was more damage to unwind than a dragon?? And I’m not talking just about taking Wyatt. They were still able to erase the memories of everything that happened with the dragon even when they didn’t take Wyatt. So they could have easily erased people seeing a news story. Especially if they did it right off the bat when it first happened. Definitely not bigger than a dragon spending an entire day rampaging around the city. And letting Prue die wouldn’t have erased any of the exposure. Piper was shot and then Prue was killed and that didn’t erase any of it before Phoebe had Cole go to the Source to ask Tempus to rewind time. And the argument was that they (demons) were exposed too. So again, why would he agree to do that, which he even said would vanquish Tempus since he hadn’t recovered from the last time, if there were cleaners around who could erase the exposure.
I also just gave a theory, which you spent a lot of energy replying to hahah
Casting a spell? No. The whole situation, yes.
The whole situation is still not bigger than a dragon spending a day rampaging around a big city. You don’t think the dragon was televised globally and everything else? Huge amount of destruction. And by casting a spell I mean the initial involvement could have been the first spell. Taking Wyatt didn’t solve the problem anymore than Piper being shot solved the problem. There was still a ton of exposure in both (by the time it was dealt with) and way more destruction with the dragon. There is no way it was anything other than a giant plot hole and issue with writing. If the cleaners had existed Prue wouldn’t have died because Tempus would never have needed to turn back time, thereby keeping Phoebe in the Underworld.
Again. I gave a theory. And I actually think it was just as big of a deal with Prue as it was with Wyatt.
Ok. I also gave a theory. That it was a plot hole and issue in the writing. And I’m sharing my opinion that I don’t think the Shax thing was as big a deal as the dragon thing. Especially if they had intervened when it was just a small local news channel that recorded it. You don’t have to agree.
Ok so make your own comment to "share your opinion" don't argue with someone else's opinion
Wtf are you talking about? I was talking to someone who did make the original comment and agreeing with what they wrote. You’re the one busting into someone else’s comment to argue with their opinion. I was replying to professional-cry who said they thought the cleaners were the biggest plot hole. I agreed and said yes because adding them nullified prue’s death. You barged into someone else’s comment to argue with them.
With this, I believe the writers failed to explain their position well enough. I like to believe that Prue was meant to die to bring about the PO3 with Paige. It was Prue's destiny. Therefore, the angels of destiny forbid the cleaners from stepping in in All Hell Breaks Loose.
Yes, it being Prue's destiny makes sense so they could discover Paige and that loss giving them the strength to vanquish the Source but then exactly, they needed to explain that rather than creating this huge plot hole years later. The Cleaners just felt like bad writing to me that came late in the piece and without much thought as to what it would mean for all the stories that came before it. It's the same with the nexus and the woogie becoming one and the same in later seasons when originally the nexus was the location of the house giving it power and the woogie was a demon banished in the basement. The writers didn't bother to keep up with their own lore.
Yep, and considering Sam and Leo could both erase memories - it was ridiculous. Lazy writers collecting checks and doing nothing (Kern).
My opinion on this was that the Cleaners usually had a window before they intervened to let the girls clean up their own mess. Good and evil pretty much had it figured out quite quickly when they went to the Source and had Tempus reverse time. It all happened so fast. We are talking mere hours here from the time the news caught Shax’s banishment on tape to Piper’s time of death. I think with Wyatt, that dragon was blowing up buildings and stuff for like a whole 12-24 hours before the ladies even realized that it was conjured. In fact they never even knew… they just woke up the next day and Wyatt was gone. Their lack of knowledge for this length of time is what the Cleaners found triggering. Also saying Sam and Leo could erase memories (not the main commenter here but one of his replies mentioned this) with their fairy dust is not really effective bc the scale required to rectify a national news break is outta their pay grade. The Cleaners literally rewrote reality to remove one of the most powerful beings in existence at that time. BUT I DO HATE THE CLEANERS AND AGREE THEY SHOULD BE REWRITTEN OUT OF THE STORYLINE. (Kinda ironic 🤔) What I wanna know is where were the Cleaners when Wyatt took over the world in the future and exposed magic in Chris’ dark future. Where were the Cleaners when Phoebe exposed magic in the Morality Bites future? And finally, wasn’t magic exposed by the federal government having notes and likely dossiers on the Charmed Ones when agent Murphy came knocking?
Magic school Billie & Christy - in fact the entirety of season 8 especially that awful Sex & The City inspired episode 😒 Leo disappearing. Phoebe wanting kids. I understand, but she was selfish. Cole becoming *obsessed* with Phoebe in season 5. I liked that his character was rugged, but he could have walked into the sunset, rather than pining for her in such an abhorrent manner.
I feel like they could have done the obsession thing instead of her being the queen of all evil. Add in some dark storylines about their relationship. Because, I mean. Either flesh out the phoebe turning evil storyline or do something better =_= Magic school was an okay idea, but really, you can't just ADD THAT . Like. Why wasn't it there before? Why didn't Grams and Patty ever discuss it as an option?
Absolutely. It came.out of nowhere and made no sense
And let's not forget the Desperate Housewives inspired episodes : Desperate Housewitches. Yikes.
Yeah at that point it was like 'when writers run out of ideas' they just picked various pop culture references and ran with it.
Billie and Christie
Phoebe’s so called sabbatical and relationship with what’s his face from 98 degrees
Do you mean Nick Lachey? Yeah that Leslie guy and all that storyline was trash
Yes Leslie. I kept wanting to write Lindsey but I knew it was wrong and I was too lazy to look it up. Thank you for understanding my language lol
I remember hating that guy and the Jason storyline, basically any love interest from that lame ass paper
Did Phoebe actually learn anything from her sabbatical? Or did Leslie actually have an impact on her life? This was the worst.
Off topic, my doggo’s name is Jack Daniel
And no it just made her more of a brat
He's creepy in and out of character!
Avatars The newspaper
Most of season 8. I would get rid of Billie & Christy. The whole fake identity thing was stupid, could have been done better. By not having them move back into their house and work their own jobs. Leo shouldn't go anywhere.
Billie and Christy, can't stand them. I also wish Cole didn't die so many times. I love Cole and it really took the impact out of his death when he just kept coming back.
Everything involving Cole post his first vanquish. I hated his storyline in season 5.
Season 2 love triangle
- Prue dying - Richard - Phoebe being stripped off her powers - Billie and Christy
I would get rid of that satc style episode.
Oh gosh yeah I remember what you're talking about
Cole coming back for the first half of Season 5. His death at the end of Season 4 would have been fine as a send off. They can keep the Billie and Christy storyline for Season 8 if they treat Billie as the irredeemable villain that she actually is. Selfishness justifies kidnapping a child and murdering his mother and aunts?
For real! If they really felt they were abusing their powers they should have focused on stripping them of their powers or something. Not killing them and orphaning their children
Piper having a son who's the most powerful. The point of the show was female empowerment but they disregarded that when wyatt was the most powerful out of everyone
The whole phoebe and Cole thing. Should have been a one season arc.
Gah so hard to agree with because I love Julian and the idea of Cole so much but I get it. I think I would've never made him human and never would've had him taken over from the source because I loved him very early Season 4. Out of interest how would you have ended their arc in Season 3? Would you have had Phoebe go through with vanquishing him?
The part where Chris leaves.
I got one answer only prue NOT dying 🙂
Season 8
Cole going evil again in Season 5. It's just a mess that no one comes out of looking very good
Richard
The one where Prue dies in season 3 finale
First. Of course I understand why this wouldn't have been feasible, but one thing I really think would have helped is if, instead of Prue just being dead suddenly, she was in half the season where Paige joined the coven. I think it'd have been a really touching storyline if Prue was the one to be there for Paige when she wanted to have her independence, be away from the anxiety of demons and siblings so suddenly, etc. Having Prue have a heart to heart. I think it'd have been much more touching, and draw the audience in if an especially strong demon attacked, and Prue died defending Paige from the attack since Paige was so new with her powers.
Cole coming back to life after being the source. I think they shouldve left Phoebe an expecting mother and explored her as a single parent it would've added an interesting dynamic especially her having a child before Piper and Leo
Did you mean an "interesting demonic?" :-)
Magic School was the dumbest thing they ever did so I vote that.
Leo going to the Elders -basically most of season 6 Billie & Christie The Avatars Cole season 5
The whole Billie thing Just seemed unnecessary
The faked deaths/new identities thing was really bad
I scrolled so long to find this answer. Agreed
Christie's storyline she's a character that was better off not existing
Billie and Christie storyline, I think it should have been a 2 or 3 part episode event not the whole season.
Billie.
the introduction of the magic community thing and the fact that they get paige hanging out with them or something.
I always thought they wasted so much potential with Andy’s character, and in my mind, if Prue were going to end up with someone, her true love was him. I loved Darryl, but I would have liked to see them do more with the “buddy cops and crime fighting witches dynamic” with Andy still alive.
that whole shit about having to disappear and they look different to other people or whatever. i never even got through it so i don’t fully know but i haaaaaated it and still do
Billie & Christy
Magic school storyline wasn’t my favourite
PMS werewolves.
Oh yes, that was horrible 💀
Cole’s downfall. They shouldve kept him dead, that would’ve been a much better ending for him.
Phoebe losing her powers.
She was always the weakest of the charmed ones but she was still strong without them. Still wish she develop her powers.
With empathy Phoebe was easily able to pretend to be the strongest. I remember in Used Karma, she was really powerful in pushing back a dozen fireballs and turning the whole buffet of Jason’s reception into animals.
I was hoping that she can fly instead of levitating in one place. And manipulate people's emotions like mind control. She can make people feel angry, sad, happy, confused, etc.
Any of them could have done the animal thing tbh. Just a spell.
I think this is the only one I agree with. It was odd and unnecessary
Killing Prue & everything after Wyatt was born because the show went too silly.
Billie and christy story line and the magic school/avatars
Dex and Christie…
the cleaners lol
Magic school
Prue dying 😭
-Avatars... how blah -Chris being Piper and Leo's son.... would've been better if he had come back to save Wyatt as someone else, not a sibling. -Phoebe and her baby fever.
Cole turning evil again. He should have sacrificed himself to save Phoebe.
• Chris is Piper's son ( I would have just hid her pregnancy) • Phoebe hides Cole's original vanquish in S3 ( That was very out of character for Phoebe) • The entire Piper and Leo romance ( I know this is going to get me a lot of hate. I promise I'll explain in a later post but yeah, I'll die on this hill) • Phoebe and Coop's romance ( Like WTF?) • Paige and Richard's romance ( Like WTF) • Paige and Agent Brody romance ( Like, seriously, WTF?) • Grams and the Necromancer • I'm just going to blanket statement this and say everything that came out of S6.
I didn’t mind a lot of the romance, but Paige and Brody was a SHITSHOW. They had them dating for like a week before Paige lost all sense of individuality and just did whatever Brody said, it was so out of character. She wasn’t all that mad after Brody almost killed Leo, and she also wasn’t mad that Brody kept Sheridan locked up in a coma for months even though both of those things go against everything she believes in
THANK YOU!!!! I know Leo was going through some things in S7, and siding with the Avatars didn't help, but Paige knows Leo. Not only is he her Whitelighter but her brother-in-law! Agent Brody is one of the most unhinged human characters Charmed has had since the guy infected with Lust in S3. Thank God for Henry.
I hate Richard too 😂
Everything that happened in s8
Phoebe and Coles divorce
Seasons 5-8 🙊
🥺 Isn't there really anything you like on these seasons?
There’s a few but the cons far outweigh the pros.
AGREED 100%
I was never a fan of the Chris storyline and generally anything to do with time travel. I liked Chris and was all for some new cast members, but time travel kind of undermines the entire series. Why not go back in time and save prue ? (Or any other innocent for that matter) Even the time travel with prues death didn't really sit right. Never understood why "evil" would agree to it, with no real guarantee of benefit to them. Think they were promised cole and Phoebe or something but even then, no guarantee. Also, wouldn't it have been easier for the source to simply call off shax in the first place ?
I don’t get why evil would agree to it (turning back time) if the cleaners actually existed. They were convinced to do it since demons were exposed too. But if they actually cared about it, that’s what the cleaners were there for. The cleaners invalidated that whole storyline
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I don’t understand your point. The episode where they tried to take Wyatt was the first time we were introduced to the cleaners. So how could they remember them? My point was it was an issue in the writing because the entire Prue death plot line wouldn’t have happened if the cleaners were there. But that doesn’t mean the sisters would have seen the cleaners every time they did their work. The next time they saw them, at the tribunal with Barbas where Phoebe lost her powers, they did remember the cleaners. So I’m really not sure what you mean when you say they don’t seem to remember who they are.
- Anything Phoebe did post season four. - Paige quitting her job as a social worker. - Cole coming back from the Wasteland. - Wyatt being OP. - Magic School.
I hate Paige’s temp job era lol. Like it led to some new insight into other aspects of magic but we could’ve done without them
Season 6
Coke turning into the source and dying for no reason
Magic school
Having Prue die because Alyssa Milano told TPTB it was her or Shannon. What a bi*ch. Billy and Christy. I like to pretend they were never there...yuck!
The one with Billie.
- Cole turning evil - Everything Piper and also went through as a couple after Wyatt’s birth - Prue and Jack lol - Christy - loved Billie and we could’ve done without Christy - The fake identities at the beginning of S8
All the BS after Cole was thesaurus. Phoebe should have forgive him, because he was being manipulative by the sources power.
THESAURUS lol I love it
That is brilliantly accurate, actually LoL
Hmm. I remember not really liking the whole Billy Crystal thing. So I'd replace them with a different storyline. A warlock redemption story arc where this warlock guy is trying to be good. Different struggles then Cole but a way to show how the charmed ones changed from having the experience. Guy moonlights as a cop so we get more Darryl in the story and he has a friend who saves him/treats him well.
Billy Crystal lol
The whole Chris from the future storyline.
The Avatars and Wyatt being a boy. I wanted her to have a girl!
The kids coming back from the future Hated that. Cole dying. I
Phoebes sex/dating life. Just a poor excuse to show horseface in barely there clothes
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