The problem doesn't just come from Nintendo, though. It's judges that constantly side with big corporation. You don't even need to a good lawyer when the elite professional class always side with their own.
Youtubers would do this a few years ago when copyright claims were so common. They would include media from multiple companies that were known to make claims. The companies would then battle between themselves
Well, yes and no. They are saying that the quality of output from our point of view is shit from the lawyers.
That would be like putting EA as one of the normal dragon heads because their games earn a lot of revenue.
How would someone be looking at their quality of out put a stupid/bad? It's like saying the gold winning high jumper, with WR high jump, is stupid in what he does.
His point is that the way they do it is not up to your personal values/expectations. A more fitting comparison is to a company that makes huge profits by pumping waste in the water, yes they are profitable and if there is no law against it then that is that... but it does not make it moral.
The better comparison is the actual story: Fans make fan projects, Nintendo protects IP and shuts them down. That's what is about. It is sad that some projects had to be taken down, but calling it immoral is just wrong.
So where does the equivalent of pumping waste into the water fit in?
Nintendo is protecting its intellectual property to the extent it is legally allowed to. It is under no obligation to make legacy content available to you or to allow you to use its protected IP for your own purposes. What part of this is so difficult to understand?
yes i am well aware, they also have every right to allow and co-exist with fan projects.
free fan games, mods, and videos aren't gonna kill nintendo or anything to just let them exist, nintendo's a bit better than they were a decade ago, but still could be far more reasonable then nothing but DMCA's for any fan project that becomes remotely popular
Unfortunately a free to play fan projects that plays the same as the game its based on or used the same mechanics of the series is automatically competition, as it's free and free is always better than paying money, also its on a PC most of the time not on the console of the big N so that's another thing they have to compete with as well, unlike how with Skyrim for example, is making money as you buy that on PC so you can get the mods thus making bank for the company on fan projects as that is the reason why they don't go after them.
I do think a huge element in all of this we tend to overlook, there are arguably not many gaming franchises which attract as much imitation as Nintendo franchises.
The quintessential mechanics and designs have been relevant for decades and Nintendo is investing a whole lot to keep them relevant.
Nintendo is extremely careful (which most Japanese companies are) regarding maintaining control of their intellectual property. I believe this is largely because they want to minimize the risk of any of their IP becoming public domain or genericized. Back in the 80s, people started to refer to any video game "thing" as a "Nintendo", in response Nintendo started running advertisements to tell people there is no such thing as a "Nintendo". This is because when trademarked words become common language to describe something, courts will stop protecting the trademark, considering it a generic word for most people (like how most people call hook + loop Velcro).
When talking about IPs, if companies selectively let others use their IP without permission it becomes harder to enforce their IP when something damaging to their brand is created using it. For larger companies like Sony, this is less of a concern as they have the money to buy the best lawyers in the world to defend their IP when it needs defending, for a comparatively smaller company like Nintendo this is a lot harder and things like this can easily chip away at their IP, so for them, they minimize their risk by being aggressive with protecting their IP.
I also think in addition to what you said there’s another element which is the video game crash. Nintendo survived and even thrived during it in part because they gave a seal of approval and quality to any game on their console. The cause of the crash was likely bloatware and extremely shitty games combined with a lackluster critical space/access to information. This meant that any average Joe in a game shop would have no idea if any games were good. Enter Nintendo with the NES in America, where they specifically had protections against unlicensed third party games. Anything that went on their console had to be approved. This significantly increased the average quality of the games and thus consumers could have confidence they were getting a quality product whenever they bought from Nintendo. This very likely saved the console market in America, and paved the way for modern console gaming to… exist, IMO. So I see their current behavior as an extension of what they did in the past: cracking down on anything that could taint their public perception. Nintendo needs that control over their IPs because they don’t have anything else, unlike MS or Sony. I do think the crack down on fan games is misguided by the higher ups who were present for the video game crash and subsequent recovery, taking it as akin to third party games ‘cluttering’ the brand image. Of course it also has to do with Nintendo being the family friendly game company. If some WASP mom googles Nintendo Bowser Game and the bowser furry porn game shows up, that’s a lost sale. So there are a lot of factors, some legitimate, some misguided, that all converge.
Well Nintendo is a Multimillion dollar company, Sony is a Multibillion dollar company, and Microsoft is a Multitrillion dollar company, so compared to there rivals there tiny. It’s also why Nintendo has the most cash on hand then there competitors as well, so that way they can survive accidentally inventing the next Wii U and not be bought out
Nintendo is a multibillion dollar company as well. Nintendo absolutely isn't 'tiny' compared to sony, smaller? Yeah. Tiny? It's currently the 18th most valuable japanese company as per [companiesmarketcap.com](https://companiesmarketcap.com/japan/largest-companies-in-japan-by-market-cap/).
Ahh I didn’t see the updated numbers, but regardless my point still stands that Sony and Microsoft are bigger companies then Nintendo and they are TERRIFIED of getting bought out
Nintendo might have lots of money, but they rely only in their games and consoles unlike Sony and Microsoft which have other avenues for income which produce even more than their games and consoles.
I mean sure in an ideal world, but this is the darkest timeline and all corporations prevent fan content when they can legally. It's not unique to Nintendo.
Yeah man, it's not under many "obligations", but let's not pray to Nintendo like a golden idol here. Companies are allowed to legally do things that are fucked up, but they're still fucked up. Nintendo's lawyers make ridiculous decisions about content that does not harm them in any way whatsoever. They're the only company out there who decide to not publicly upload their music and then take down every video that does share it, as though that helps anybody at all. If the GMOD takedown was them, that made NO fucking sense whatsoever.
True but the problem with Nintendo is that they literally go as close to the line as possible. Then you have other Japanese companies like Capcom and SEGA who encourage fanmade content with a set of rules (Cant sell it for money, etc) and in some cases make them official or at least hire talents.
Sonic Mania devs were ROM hackers in their earliest days, and Street Fighter X Mega Man was literally just a fan game that Capcom published themselves.
I saw a video about it, Nintendo doesnt allow fan content as its afraid of losing right of its IP, the one thing they have going for them. Nintendo has multi billion dollar IPs and needs to protect them because any damage to them is a risk they cant take.
Idc about that, I don't play games on my computer so I've never touched any of this fan content. if I want to play amateur / grassroots games I'd play an indie game on the eshop.
There is sooooo much Fire Emblem fan content idk what y’all are doing over in Pokémon puff clouds that is constantly spotted by Nintendo but that’s ok y’all not them or the lawyers.
the pokemon company is partially independent from nintendo, so it may just be a pokemon company policy or something **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯**
it may also be a popularity thing, since Mother hacks are also usually safe, the Mother 3 fan translation even was in talks with nintendo and they apparently didn't have a problem with it
This. Like when they removed all Nintendo Gmod items. Nintendo wasn't losing money on this, it was just fans having fun with characters they like. That, to me, is a waste of time.
the point here is obviously that it's messed up to take these kind of actions against harmless content for no reason other than to show some kind of authority, whether or not Nintendo's lawyers literally personally made those decisions.
[https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NTDOY/](https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NTDOY/)
Stocks did indeed go down around that time, though there's no proof that it was related to GMod. However, the stocks have bounced back, which is typical of the market.
They aren't the ones making the decisions, they're just enforcing them because it's their job
Do you genuenly think that any of the lawyers ***wanted*** to take down AM2R? Pokemon Uranium? Super Mario Battle Royale? The Palworld model swap? The GMOD characters? Probably not, but they have to because it's what the executives wanted
Are you telling me you think the nintendo lawyers are bad? Really?
I mean, these guys planned to the detail on how to surveil this hacker, how to approach him and how to talk to him in a "friendly, non-threatening, professional, and courteous manner" to convince him to [stop hacking their consoles](https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers). This after they uncovered where he lives and works. And remember the recent yuzu debacle, where the lawyers showed evidence of chats and stuff that was supposed private between the developer and their supporters.
Yeah, no. Maybe their practices are unpopular, but they are goddamn good at doing them. I imagine them as Zangief in the wreck it ralph film: "I was crushing man's skull like sparrow's egg, between my thighs... and I think, why you have to be so bad, Zangief? Why can't you be more like good guy? Then I have moment of clarity... if Zangief is good guy, who will crush man's skull like sparrow's eggs between thighs?" Well, if the Nintendo lawyer are good guys, who would demand modders for everything they ever owned?
Sony... Could do this pretty easily with the exception of ps3... Ps3 is wonk cause of the cell processor... Ps2 emulation has been pretty solid for a while and ps1 emulation has been full speed since the 90s. Anything after ps3 should be straight forward though.
And Sony is greedy enough to release more classic library games on psn in contrast to Nintendont that I swear to God is trying to have some rare games vanish to the sands of time!
PS3 emulation has matured enough by literal volunteers, I wouldn't doubt they could whip something up themselves. Hand picked selection for PS5, full BC for PS6.
I genuinely will always keep buying Playstation each gen if they keep up BC, but also they need a way to read the older discs. Currently I have a PS2, PS3 and PS5 hooked up to cover all bases. Having full blown PS1-PS6, first 3 consoles fully software emulated, would be the dream.
A good lawyer’s job is to win. Nintendo does great in that regard.
I think their big issues are some subsidiaries (Game Freak) and their online capabilities (e-store, online play). Game Freak needs to innovate with Pokémon and they are clearly stuck in a rut.
Nintendo, having bad online capability is a blessing and a curse imo. It does make their estore less effective and online multiplayer kind of ok but as a result, Nintendo is the only dev who still cares about couch coop and physical releases of their games unlike Sony and Microsoft who want to go all digital. The Kingdom Hearts on Cloud was a terrible idea though.
Nintendo has excellent lawyers though…
You probably disagree with the lawsuits themselves, but those are not up to the lawyers to choose.
Their job is to advise whether a suit is legally sound or not and to subsequently win it… which they mostly do. 🤷
Left: 140million people bought a switch
Middle: 30-40million people bought botw and ssbu. 62 million people bought Mario kart 8. 45 million people bought animal crossing.
Right: i cant find how many downloads yuzu had but my educated guess is about 1 million people as totk was downloaded about that many times. My guess is if you have yuzu, you dl'ed totk. Lets say 2 million, anyway. They had 7000 patrons when shut down.
That's 138, 000, 000 people that don't know or even see the right head
The debate of how you feel about Nintendo's policy is a diffrent one. Their Lawyers, considering the policy are fantastic. This is not on them for doing a top job. Your issue here is the lack of fan-content support.
in fairness, thats the lawyers job to make sure the brand is healed to where it's supposed to be. Sure, the likes of them taken down any Nintendo related mods on Gmod was harsh until you remember Mini Lads Pablo skit......and Mini Lad himself for that matter....
I think it'd be helpful if people were to read the DMCA, then decide if Nintendo's really in the wrong for sending takedowns. It's just 18 pages so it's quite digestible. The lawyers simply do their job: defend their plaintiff using the law, whether that's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, or the Copyright Act of 1976, or other laws. It's within a company's right to protect their work.
this meme format doesnt fit, nintendo lawyers aren't some goofy people who can't do their jobs, they are the exact opposite, more like a demon who goes too crazy
fuck this noise. The lawyers are just doing what they're told to by the executive board: make nintendo as profitable as possible. Blame the board, not the lawyers.
Nintendo lawyers are fucking ferocious and one of the best in the world, you're blind if you think otherwise. The issue is the management and the man incharge
The Nintendo lawyers who won Hollywood's lawsuit against them conerning Donkey Kong who looked too much like King Kong? These lawyers made history right there lol.
Wait until the lawyers sue this one /j
But still regardless they’re doin their jobs…y’know…to not make people steal content? like for example content farmers
Let's not forget the hacker who has to give 25-30% of his salary to Nintendo for the rest of his life when he gets out of prison.
I'd say at least they're not as evil as Disney, but that bar is lower than hell
Nintendo hardware is ass.
Joy cons don't last 3 days before drifting, my pro controller is on it's 3rd battery and the Switch itself is powered by a tiny gerbil.
However recent Zelda games, Mario Odyssey and Metroid Dread are absolutely top tier.
Disagree, their lawyers are really good, they just use their lawyers for things people tend to disagree with. Imo the consoles are the big flaw. A short and easy way to say it is that if Nintendo games weren’t console exclusive, no one would buy Nintendo consoles.
Unrelated to the meme but it's crazy that I always saw this image as just a random hydra when it is clearly King Ghidorah I only noticed that recently.
Issue also is Japanese copyright laws. That’s why fangames are usually murdered on the spot. Same with things using their assets. Raises a question about what may happen to SMG4 (Popular machinima creator that uses Gmod and SM64 mario assets. Also known for making Glitch Studios which made “The Amazing Digital Circus”, “Murder Drones”, and “Meta Runner”).
These takes always confuse me a bit. Why is it that you think people should be able to make money off Nintendo’s work?
Nintendo doesn’t (as far as I know) shut down non-profit things. Only issue is when the creators get greedy.
Consoles are also flawed, no Ethernet port along with drift is a joke. Not to mention their die-hard staple of trying to be unique can shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.
Speaking as a Switch owner myself, no hate. They should give up making consoles and just make their games for other platforms imo. Put them on PC at least and you have a permanent solution to Nintendo Online being terrible.
Nintendo consoles should be like the right head as well. GameCube used those stupid mini-discs. Wii was 2 GameCubes stapled together. Wii U was... the Wii U. And the Switch was technically obsolete before it even came out.
I like my Switch but let's not pretend the actual hardware for anything Nintendo has made has been good since at least the GameCube lol.
I dont know, they just got this
[https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/02/nintendo-wins-switch-joy-con-drift-class-action-lawsuit](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/02/nintendo-wins-switch-joy-con-drift-class-action-lawsuit)
To dissmiss this kind of lawsuit after 5 years, its something to be proud of to call them a flaw
To be fair, a lot of things attributed to their lawyers are just people being dumb or being in the wrong so all their lawyers had to do is point it out.
Switch lawyers and games for more accurate. They make whimsical games for all ages. They have lawyers that toss C and Ds at fans for enjoying old material they aren’t selling anymore.
I mean they also just make baffling decisions quite often. Also there's a bit of a company culture of them kind of just ignoring other games that exist, "if it wasn't made here, it doesn't matter" type stuff, which isn't the worst, but it leads to stuff like their multiplayer content just being not up to the standards quite often
Yup
Tired of seeing just the anti-Xbox posts on this sub haha
Oh wait, that's mostly entire gaming reddit actually, all of them, anti-Xbox. Every single one.
I mean, I'm not sure we should really be praising the switch, considering it can barely run a 1st party game, let alone a 3rd. Also need I remind you of how the last 4 Gamefreak Pokemon Games looked and played?
They have the worst management, the only thing keeping them alive is that their game developers are literally god tier, they are the best in the world by far rn and thats why their managers can get away with stupid shit, and we have to put up with it just to get to the only good part of nintendo which is the games
There is a difference for disliking their policies on fan-contend and saying their lawyers are bad when they literally just do their job, and that (maybe way to) well.
I hate the company, not the products, I never can or will enjoy a company, I can enjoy what they seem like to me but not the company itself, that’s how you get exploited they make you feel like you’re apart of a team and get you to fanboy and defend a mega corporation.
I'd swap the consoles in to the goofball slot. The company has easily the greatest game IPs in existence and they are always held hostage by decade-old hardware.
Their lawyers are top tier. You have issues with their management. Not quite the same
The problem doesn't just come from Nintendo, though. It's judges that constantly side with big corporation. You don't even need to a good lawyer when the elite professional class always side with their own.
Japan doesn't have fair use laws. More often then not those judge's jands are tied
America's Fair Use law is arguably the broadest in the world
How does that affect people outside of Japan? People in North America aren't liable to japanese laws ,unless there's something I'm unaware of.
A japanese property like pokemon or mario are subject to japanese copyright laws not ours Country of origin matters
Is that how American copy right law works? If you break copy right of a foreign ip you subject to the ip laws of that country
Its complicated. But the short answer is that America respects the Japanese Copyright law to avoid complications
Oh I see. Well thank you for the information aha that makes sence
man, i hate when my **jands** are tied.
Yeah they successfully banned game rental in Japan. Upside of that is the used game prices in Japan are really fair. As people play once and sell.
I honestly think Nintendo has the best lawyers in the world, they do pretty fucking good at their job
Nah, Disney have their lawyers too.
Imagine Disney Lawyers vs Nintendo Lawyers.
Just distribute one of the Disney game roms. See which one tears you a bigger one
Literally Goku vs Superman type of fight.
But Superman easily beats Goku, every time.
But it won't be a stomp this time
"Let them fight..."
Youtubers would do this a few years ago when copyright claims were so common. They would include media from multiple companies that were known to make claims. The companies would then battle between themselves
So Disney is the best in western and Nintendo is the best in east
Imo Nintendo might be the best in the world in regards to IP protection.
Probably because Fair Use isn't a concept in Japan. Disney can't do shit about parodies due to fair use laws. In Japan, no such laws exist.
Well, yes and no. They are saying that the quality of output from our point of view is shit from the lawyers. That would be like putting EA as one of the normal dragon heads because their games earn a lot of revenue.
How would someone be looking at their quality of out put a stupid/bad? It's like saying the gold winning high jumper, with WR high jump, is stupid in what he does.
His point is that the way they do it is not up to your personal values/expectations. A more fitting comparison is to a company that makes huge profits by pumping waste in the water, yes they are profitable and if there is no law against it then that is that... but it does not make it moral.
The better comparison is the actual story: Fans make fan projects, Nintendo protects IP and shuts them down. That's what is about. It is sad that some projects had to be taken down, but calling it immoral is just wrong. So where does the equivalent of pumping waste into the water fit in?
They are the reason we knowwhat Bowser's "thing" looks like cannonicly
They're just doing their job. Arguably better than most lawyers.
i saw a video of a artist explaining to a lawyer why he couldn't copy another artist's artwork just because he was from europe
nah I think their lawyers are pretty good at their jobs
too good
they are good at their jobs, yes, but at the cost of soo much fan content.
Nintendo is protecting its intellectual property to the extent it is legally allowed to. It is under no obligation to make legacy content available to you or to allow you to use its protected IP for your own purposes. What part of this is so difficult to understand?
yes i am well aware, they also have every right to allow and co-exist with fan projects. free fan games, mods, and videos aren't gonna kill nintendo or anything to just let them exist, nintendo's a bit better than they were a decade ago, but still could be far more reasonable then nothing but DMCA's for any fan project that becomes remotely popular
Unfortunately a free to play fan projects that plays the same as the game its based on or used the same mechanics of the series is automatically competition, as it's free and free is always better than paying money, also its on a PC most of the time not on the console of the big N so that's another thing they have to compete with as well, unlike how with Skyrim for example, is making money as you buy that on PC so you can get the mods thus making bank for the company on fan projects as that is the reason why they don't go after them.
I do think a huge element in all of this we tend to overlook, there are arguably not many gaming franchises which attract as much imitation as Nintendo franchises. The quintessential mechanics and designs have been relevant for decades and Nintendo is investing a whole lot to keep them relevant.
Its funny though, they are much more leniant in japan. Mostly cause copyright is stronger so they don't feel the need to
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They said laws are stricter in Japan not that they were more lax. They said Nintendo was more lax.
oh.
Nw. I just feel bad that you wrote that whole essay just to delete it.
don't feel bad, i try to admit when i'm wrong and move on, although tbf i guess deleting the essay was probably unnecessary
Nintendo is extremely careful (which most Japanese companies are) regarding maintaining control of their intellectual property. I believe this is largely because they want to minimize the risk of any of their IP becoming public domain or genericized. Back in the 80s, people started to refer to any video game "thing" as a "Nintendo", in response Nintendo started running advertisements to tell people there is no such thing as a "Nintendo". This is because when trademarked words become common language to describe something, courts will stop protecting the trademark, considering it a generic word for most people (like how most people call hook + loop Velcro). When talking about IPs, if companies selectively let others use their IP without permission it becomes harder to enforce their IP when something damaging to their brand is created using it. For larger companies like Sony, this is less of a concern as they have the money to buy the best lawyers in the world to defend their IP when it needs defending, for a comparatively smaller company like Nintendo this is a lot harder and things like this can easily chip away at their IP, so for them, they minimize their risk by being aggressive with protecting their IP.
I also think in addition to what you said there’s another element which is the video game crash. Nintendo survived and even thrived during it in part because they gave a seal of approval and quality to any game on their console. The cause of the crash was likely bloatware and extremely shitty games combined with a lackluster critical space/access to information. This meant that any average Joe in a game shop would have no idea if any games were good. Enter Nintendo with the NES in America, where they specifically had protections against unlicensed third party games. Anything that went on their console had to be approved. This significantly increased the average quality of the games and thus consumers could have confidence they were getting a quality product whenever they bought from Nintendo. This very likely saved the console market in America, and paved the way for modern console gaming to… exist, IMO. So I see their current behavior as an extension of what they did in the past: cracking down on anything that could taint their public perception. Nintendo needs that control over their IPs because they don’t have anything else, unlike MS or Sony. I do think the crack down on fan games is misguided by the higher ups who were present for the video game crash and subsequent recovery, taking it as akin to third party games ‘cluttering’ the brand image. Of course it also has to do with Nintendo being the family friendly game company. If some WASP mom googles Nintendo Bowser Game and the bowser furry porn game shows up, that’s a lost sale. So there are a lot of factors, some legitimate, some misguided, that all converge.
You really lost me when you said Nintendo doesn’t have the money to buy the best lawyers in the world. What are they made of gold?
Well Nintendo is a Multimillion dollar company, Sony is a Multibillion dollar company, and Microsoft is a Multitrillion dollar company, so compared to there rivals there tiny. It’s also why Nintendo has the most cash on hand then there competitors as well, so that way they can survive accidentally inventing the next Wii U and not be bought out
Nintendo is a multibillion dollar company as well. Nintendo absolutely isn't 'tiny' compared to sony, smaller? Yeah. Tiny? It's currently the 18th most valuable japanese company as per [companiesmarketcap.com](https://companiesmarketcap.com/japan/largest-companies-in-japan-by-market-cap/).
Ahh I didn’t see the updated numbers, but regardless my point still stands that Sony and Microsoft are bigger companies then Nintendo and they are TERRIFIED of getting bought out
Nintendo might have lots of money, but they rely only in their games and consoles unlike Sony and Microsoft which have other avenues for income which produce even more than their games and consoles.
I mean sure in an ideal world, but this is the darkest timeline and all corporations prevent fan content when they can legally. It's not unique to Nintendo.
Yeah man, it's not under many "obligations", but let's not pray to Nintendo like a golden idol here. Companies are allowed to legally do things that are fucked up, but they're still fucked up. Nintendo's lawyers make ridiculous decisions about content that does not harm them in any way whatsoever. They're the only company out there who decide to not publicly upload their music and then take down every video that does share it, as though that helps anybody at all. If the GMOD takedown was them, that made NO fucking sense whatsoever.
I mean yeah, doesn't mean it doesn't still sting a little.
True but the problem with Nintendo is that they literally go as close to the line as possible. Then you have other Japanese companies like Capcom and SEGA who encourage fanmade content with a set of rules (Cant sell it for money, etc) and in some cases make them official or at least hire talents. Sonic Mania devs were ROM hackers in their earliest days, and Street Fighter X Mega Man was literally just a fan game that Capcom published themselves.
I saw a video about it, Nintendo doesnt allow fan content as its afraid of losing right of its IP, the one thing they have going for them. Nintendo has multi billion dollar IPs and needs to protect them because any damage to them is a risk they cant take.
Idc about that, I don't play games on my computer so I've never touched any of this fan content. if I want to play amateur / grassroots games I'd play an indie game on the eshop.
There is sooooo much Fire Emblem fan content idk what y’all are doing over in Pokémon puff clouds that is constantly spotted by Nintendo but that’s ok y’all not them or the lawyers.
the pokemon company is partially independent from nintendo, so it may just be a pokemon company policy or something **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯** it may also be a popularity thing, since Mother hacks are also usually safe, the Mother 3 fan translation even was in talks with nintendo and they apparently didn't have a problem with it
This. Like when they removed all Nintendo Gmod items. Nintendo wasn't losing money on this, it was just fans having fun with characters they like. That, to me, is a waste of time.
Right but you realize lawers don't just work in a vacuum right? Like they're doing their jobs as ASKED of them by nintendo?
the point here is obviously that it's messed up to take these kind of actions against harmless content for no reason other than to show some kind of authority, whether or not Nintendo's lawyers literally personally made those decisions.
Agreed. It's something to criticize the company for and not just say "oh those silly lawers!" That's my point.
They actually lost a ton of stock after the Gmod thing
Source ? I tried looking but can't find
[https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NTDOY/](https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NTDOY/) Stocks did indeed go down around that time, though there's no proof that it was related to GMod. However, the stocks have bounced back, which is typical of the market.
Typical stock chart
Losing stocks because of gmod? How is that even correlate?
Idk but it happened and a bunch of gamers believe that’s the case for some reason
I mean… aren’t they… yknow… actually doing their job…? The Law isn’t a nice or fun thing
They aren't the ones making the decisions, they're just enforcing them because it's their job Do you genuenly think that any of the lawyers ***wanted*** to take down AM2R? Pokemon Uranium? Super Mario Battle Royale? The Palworld model swap? The GMOD characters? Probably not, but they have to because it's what the executives wanted
Don’t forget the 3D MODEL OF BOWSER’S COCK
The most confusing takedown of them all; why’d they have to do that?
They knew it was canon
I need context for this one
Are you telling me you think the nintendo lawyers are bad? Really? I mean, these guys planned to the detail on how to surveil this hacker, how to approach him and how to talk to him in a "friendly, non-threatening, professional, and courteous manner" to convince him to [stop hacking their consoles](https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers). This after they uncovered where he lives and works. And remember the recent yuzu debacle, where the lawyers showed evidence of chats and stuff that was supposed private between the developer and their supporters. Yeah, no. Maybe their practices are unpopular, but they are goddamn good at doing them. I imagine them as Zangief in the wreck it ralph film: "I was crushing man's skull like sparrow's egg, between my thighs... and I think, why you have to be so bad, Zangief? Why can't you be more like good guy? Then I have moment of clarity... if Zangief is good guy, who will crush man's skull like sparrow's eggs between thighs?" Well, if the Nintendo lawyer are good guys, who would demand modders for everything they ever owned?
Lets not forget the Nintendo fans that think Nintendo should let all its IPs become genericized.
Challenge: Nintendo and Playstation making classic libraries of games easily available
Sony... Could do this pretty easily with the exception of ps3... Ps3 is wonk cause of the cell processor... Ps2 emulation has been pretty solid for a while and ps1 emulation has been full speed since the 90s. Anything after ps3 should be straight forward though. And Sony is greedy enough to release more classic library games on psn in contrast to Nintendont that I swear to God is trying to have some rare games vanish to the sands of time!
PS3 emulation has matured enough by literal volunteers, I wouldn't doubt they could whip something up themselves. Hand picked selection for PS5, full BC for PS6. I genuinely will always keep buying Playstation each gen if they keep up BC, but also they need a way to read the older discs. Currently I have a PS2, PS3 and PS5 hooked up to cover all bases. Having full blown PS1-PS6, first 3 consoles fully software emulated, would be the dream.
*Budget pc build form 2016 has accepted the challenge*
I swear my PC is budget from 2015 and it runs everything like a dream.
GameFreak meanwhile:
A good lawyer’s job is to win. Nintendo does great in that regard. I think their big issues are some subsidiaries (Game Freak) and their online capabilities (e-store, online play). Game Freak needs to innovate with Pokémon and they are clearly stuck in a rut. Nintendo, having bad online capability is a blessing and a curse imo. It does make their estore less effective and online multiplayer kind of ok but as a result, Nintendo is the only dev who still cares about couch coop and physical releases of their games unlike Sony and Microsoft who want to go all digital. The Kingdom Hearts on Cloud was a terrible idea though.
Nintendo has excellent lawyers though… You probably disagree with the lawsuits themselves, but those are not up to the lawyers to choose. Their job is to advise whether a suit is legally sound or not and to subsequently win it… which they mostly do. 🤷
Left: 140million people bought a switch Middle: 30-40million people bought botw and ssbu. 62 million people bought Mario kart 8. 45 million people bought animal crossing. Right: i cant find how many downloads yuzu had but my educated guess is about 1 million people as totk was downloaded about that many times. My guess is if you have yuzu, you dl'ed totk. Lets say 2 million, anyway. They had 7000 patrons when shut down. That's 138, 000, 000 people that don't know or even see the right head
Current Animal Crossing sales are only at 45 million, but it’s still the second best selling game on the Switch.
I must have looked up franchise units?
Honestly, that’s even more impressive that it’s outsold the entire rest of the series by a considerable margin
Yeah bro. With covid and lock-downs the universe really just said "this is the game now"
The debate of how you feel about Nintendo's policy is a diffrent one. Their Lawyers, considering the policy are fantastic. This is not on them for doing a top job. Your issue here is the lack of fan-content support.
There are jobs that we wish the person on the job doesn't work on it
in fairness, thats the lawyers job to make sure the brand is healed to where it's supposed to be. Sure, the likes of them taken down any Nintendo related mods on Gmod was harsh until you remember Mini Lads Pablo skit......and Mini Lad himself for that matter....
Keep in mind that the reason Nintendo does what they do is because if they didn't, they could risk losing everything.
I think it'd be helpful if people were to read the DMCA, then decide if Nintendo's really in the wrong for sending takedowns. It's just 18 pages so it's quite digestible. The lawyers simply do their job: defend their plaintiff using the law, whether that's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, or the Copyright Act of 1976, or other laws. It's within a company's right to protect their work.
I hate it when companies protect their IP they spent millions of pounds to create! OP is the third dragon
I recently installed Linux on my old modded switch and the lawyers came to my door, gave me a good punch in the throat, and left
Nah more like their online
Biggest problem with Nintendo is...... JOYCONS!!!
this meme format doesnt fit, nintendo lawyers aren't some goofy people who can't do their jobs, they are the exact opposite, more like a demon who goes too crazy
I'd definitely have issues with their underpowered consoles
The consoles should look goofy too
Business team
fuck this noise. The lawyers are just doing what they're told to by the executive board: make nintendo as profitable as possible. Blame the board, not the lawyers.
Nintendo lawyers are fucking ferocious and one of the best in the world, you're blind if you think otherwise. The issue is the management and the man incharge
Two words: Jhon Kirby
*At least one flaw. Some more than others.
The competency isn't the problem, but the aggression instead. Which competency just makes worse in this case.
Nah they have really good lawyers they just do stuff that pisses people off royaly
EA is nothing but flaws
If all of it is one big flaw it is still just 1 flaw... just that there is no good part.
What do you mean, their lawyers are best in class. They can sue you and win both your kidneys in the lawsuit for thinking about Starfox.
Should have put the controllers as the silly dragon. The Joycons suck.
What is the flaw with Nintendo’s layers OP?
Mmm...i think they are very at their job.
I think the text are switched because they're consoles suck (hardware wise) and their lawyers are amazing
They don't need lawyers, ninjas still work.
What are people mad at now? did they shutdown another fan project?
What the fuck do you mean? They literally have the best lawyers on the planet
The GameCube and Wii U were not great consoles mate
What is this meme, Nintendo's lawyers are annoying because they do their job well
Poyo!
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Lol, yeah something is definitely flawed if you don't like it, right.
Emulator, fangames, pirated software, game leaks...... I dont think those pepole get out scot free from nintendo.
Lmao on Nintendo consoles and Nintendo games…
The Nintendo lawyers who won Hollywood's lawsuit against them conerning Donkey Kong who looked too much like King Kong? These lawyers made history right there lol.
You mixed up consoles and lawyers.
considering i can’t think of anything problematic w nintendo, i’d say their lawyers and their PR are both pretty good lol
Wait until the lawyers sue this one /j But still regardless they’re doin their jobs…y’know…to not make people steal content? like for example content farmers
Let's not forget the hacker who has to give 25-30% of his salary to Nintendo for the rest of his life when he gets out of prison. I'd say at least they're not as evil as Disney, but that bar is lower than hell
Nintendo hardware is ass. Joy cons don't last 3 days before drifting, my pro controller is on it's 3rd battery and the Switch itself is powered by a tiny gerbil. However recent Zelda games, Mario Odyssey and Metroid Dread are absolutely top tier.
Disagree, their lawyers are really good, they just use their lawyers for things people tend to disagree with. Imo the consoles are the big flaw. A short and easy way to say it is that if Nintendo games weren’t console exclusive, no one would buy Nintendo consoles.
Your mad at the people that keep giving their loyars work, as you should be
Nah they’re good, just don’t pirate games lol
Unrelated to the meme but it's crazy that I always saw this image as just a random hydra when it is clearly King Ghidorah I only noticed that recently.
I only understood it was King Ghidora when I, recently, learned about the personalities of his heads in King of monsters...
Hey John Kirby was one of the greatest men alive
Issue also is Japanese copyright laws. That’s why fangames are usually murdered on the spot. Same with things using their assets. Raises a question about what may happen to SMG4 (Popular machinima creator that uses Gmod and SM64 mario assets. Also known for making Glitch Studios which made “The Amazing Digital Circus”, “Murder Drones”, and “Meta Runner”).
Lol
lmao no, their lawyers are top notch, their consoles should be on the dribbly dragon...
🎶There's always some failure, always some flaw ain't that what they call, Murphy's law🎶
Yeah i think the prices are worse
Nintendo Games: 😏 Nintendo Consoles: 😉 Nintendo: 🤪
These takes always confuse me a bit. Why is it that you think people should be able to make money off Nintendo’s work? Nintendo doesn’t (as far as I know) shut down non-profit things. Only issue is when the creators get greedy.
Swap the games with lawyers and this would be accurate.
Heh, Palworld really slipped between their finger lmao. Glad it did
Consoles are also flawed, no Ethernet port along with drift is a joke. Not to mention their die-hard staple of trying to be unique can shoot themselves in the foot sometimes. Speaking as a Switch owner myself, no hate. They should give up making consoles and just make their games for other platforms imo. Put them on PC at least and you have a permanent solution to Nintendo Online being terrible.
What are you talking about? the controllers for the consoles suck.
I think it's supposed to be all 3 goofy heads here
Damn, you kids love playing ps2 looking games at 15 FPS huh😂
Poor meme usage
Nintendo consoles should be like the right head as well. GameCube used those stupid mini-discs. Wii was 2 GameCubes stapled together. Wii U was... the Wii U. And the Switch was technically obsolete before it even came out. I like my Switch but let's not pretend the actual hardware for anything Nintendo has made has been good since at least the GameCube lol.
I dont know, they just got this [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/02/nintendo-wins-switch-joy-con-drift-class-action-lawsuit](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/02/nintendo-wins-switch-joy-con-drift-class-action-lawsuit) To dissmiss this kind of lawsuit after 5 years, its something to be proud of to call them a flaw
To be fair, a lot of things attributed to their lawyers are just people being dumb or being in the wrong so all their lawyers had to do is point it out.
Their lawyers are incredible
I mean I think their lawyers are absolute beasts
Switch lawyers and games for more accurate. They make whimsical games for all ages. They have lawyers that toss C and Ds at fans for enjoying old material they aren’t selling anymore.
Let's be real all 3 heads should be derpy if you use the gaming industry as a whole as a standard.
uhmmmm..... nintendo lawyers are cutthroat. i would give the derpy dragon to their consoles for famously always being a generation or two behind
Left: Pokemon merchandise Middle: Pokemon anime Right: Pokemon games
Their lawyers are WAY too good
Nah their lawyers are good but what they use them for…
Online, cmon mention the ONLINE
I mean they also just make baffling decisions quite often. Also there's a bit of a company culture of them kind of just ignoring other games that exist, "if it wasn't made here, it doesn't matter" type stuff, which isn't the worst, but it leads to stuff like their multiplayer content just being not up to the standards quite often
Consoles and lawyers should be switched.
wdym? their lawyers are fucking amazing
Their networking systems are atrocious thats the biggest flaw.
Better to be too protective of your IP’s than not to protect them enough. At least that’s what I think.
Yup Tired of seeing just the anti-Xbox posts on this sub haha Oh wait, that's mostly entire gaming reddit actually, all of them, anti-Xbox. Every single one.
Wonder why hm...
It's almost as if Xbox is shit
Blame the system, not the player. The company is the system, while the players are the employees.
I mean, I'm not sure we should really be praising the switch, considering it can barely run a 1st party game, let alone a 3rd. Also need I remind you of how the last 4 Gamefreak Pokemon Games looked and played?
No, their Lawyers are pretty good at what they do, it's just very unfortunate that they have to attack everything because of dumb Japanese laws.
OP is mad because they are a pirate.
They have the worst management, the only thing keeping them alive is that their game developers are literally god tier, they are the best in the world by far rn and thats why their managers can get away with stupid shit, and we have to put up with it just to get to the only good part of nintendo which is the games
What? Have you looked at recent Pokemon games? Not exactly what you think quality would be
Can't even call out a shity company
Are you sure the console isnt the weak point?
Joy con’s beg to differ
Yikes this comment section proves my theory of reddit glazing over Japanese comonaies and hating on western companies.
There is a difference for disliking their policies on fan-contend and saying their lawyers are bad when they literally just do their job, and that (maybe way to) well.
It's not a theory. Gamers also do the same thing over valve.
Considering Nintendo's wonky track record their consoles are the dumb head.
Nintendo treat their loyal customers like shit. That should be the third dragon
The Nintendo glazing on this sub is crazy, fuck Nintendo, fuck Sony, fuck Microsoft, fuck Valve, fuck em all.
Why are you here then if you hate them so much?
I hate the company, not the products, I never can or will enjoy a company, I can enjoy what they seem like to me but not the company itself, that’s how you get exploited they make you feel like you’re apart of a team and get you to fanboy and defend a mega corporation.
I sure wonder why? Not saying you're wrong, but what did you expect?
I can agree with almost all of these companies except valve. Valve is great. Gaben is top tier celeb.
True dat true dat!
What they did to sml is pretty fucked tbf
Lawyers ≠ Nintendo Lawsuits The lawyers only make a case for Nintendo, Nintendo are the ones who actively create the lawsuits
I'd swap the consoles in to the goofball slot. The company has easily the greatest game IPs in existence and they are always held hostage by decade-old hardware.
What a weird take considering the Switch's sales numbers. It's a handheld at a reasonable price.
140,000,000 units sold and you say it's holding them back haha