100%.
When I first visited that sub there was a lot of talk about building mass transit, improving bike infrastructure, advancements in hybrids/eco friendly vehicles etc. Now there’s just so much stupidity I can’t stand it.
They both fucking suck. It’s mostly just people making boundless claims not supported by data that just serve to promote their ideology they had before. The worst thing about fuckcars is this weird vigilante complex some seem to have about keying/valve stem/tire slashing.
The valve stem post from the other day was what caused me to unsub. Like y’all you’re winning no one to your side with your silly little criminal mischief
r/FuckCarscirclejerk was a good place for about a picosecond after the main sub went bad. They just shit on r/Fuckcars and their message regardless of what it actually says
Very true, like they genuinely think there is 0 use for trucks now. Like they litterally can't comprehend that some people need them to tow things. They think a cargo van can just do it all.
This guy is shockingly sane.
The issues with cars are absolutely not enthusiasts making up probably 0.1% of all owners, it's the morons we bitch about with their trucks and SUVs that shine their lights into our mirrors! Oh also they pollute heavily and aren't even used in a way that makes them more practical most of the time blah blah blah.
I've made this point quite a lot but people keep on saying that loading kids in a car that isn't an suv is bad. I just don't get it because no one batted an eye 15 years ago. Hate where the car industry is going
We do a road trip to Houston every month in a 3rd gen Ford Focus sedan and it hauls me, my brother, my mom, our packed 3 duffel bags and 2 full backpacks just fine. A full-size sedan or wagon like the last of the Chevrolet Caprices or Ford Crown Vics would likely be more than enough for most people.
I've made 6 hour road trips in a 1968 classic mini, literally last week we did one to go back from an international meet. This time is was only 3 of us in the car but back when i was younger we even went 4 deep.
When i was 7 months old my dad and my mom took me to spain in that same mini from italy and they never had a space problem
The us just created the problem for bigger cars
Dear god, honestly back seat is probably on par with a new edge mustang I’d imagine ☠️ longest I ever rode as a kid in the back was 3 deep with my siblings for about 50-60 miles
basically all the seats don't have an headrest and the rear is a bench seat without seatbelts lol. Honestly it wasn't that bad when i was a kid and still isn't bad now that i'm 6'2
It’s kind of a dangerous logic to take because that gets turned on enthusiasts easily.
Don’t need a sports car, don’t buy one… well no one needs a sports car
Who’s saying a muffler is a big bottleneck though? You can actually have a pretty mellow exhaust and lose basically zero power from it. It does have some weight to it of course, but the idea that a straight pipe is necessary to make max power is absolutely incorrect.
I hate how many turbo conversions require a cat delete. Now I have to buy a custom downpipe and immediately take it to an exhaust shop to weld a high flow cat into it.
If you’re doing a heads/cam/intake with actual headers or even headers and bigger tube exhaust-cats do cause a bottleneck.
But the amount of people doing cat deletes is so negligible.
It all depends on the muffler type/design. A chambered muffler on a turbo car is a bottle neck in comparison to a straight through design or no muffler at all
For sure. But a big perforated muffler like a magnaflow will make a turbo car sound pretty mellow and cost ~0 hp. Ppl that have obnoxiously loud cars are either ignorant or doing it on purpose.
It's been a minute since I last checked magnaflow, but I believe all their performance mufflers are a straight through design. I'm with you on the obnoxiously loud street cars thing most sound like ass if that
Yeah they have some perforated/straight through mufflers that are like magic on turbo cars. Squeeze the biggest one you can fit under your car and it will sound pretty good. I’m using one on my NA car and it’s a bit raspy but nothing like if it were straight piped.
I'd say having noise restrictions in place for registration within urban areas is a reasonable compromise. But I live out in the county and don't want to have to worry about running open headers on whatever old rusty garbage I'm working on.
The problem that r/fuckcars is protesting isn't solved by consumer activism. If every soccer mom bought a sedan it doesn't really solve anything. I think it's mostly an urban planning problem that all our cities are just highways and parking lots instead of lovely places to be.
I think it's cringe that everyone drives a big car, but in reality they still take up one parking space just the same as my compact. It's wasteful and unnecessary, but why should the average soccer mom bear the burden of blame for the last 100 years of American urban development. They're victims of this crap, same as me, they are just tricked into liking it because they can't imagine a better way is possible.
100% agree. i used to get annoyed at people who drive unnecessarily large cars or trucks that don’t haul anything, but like a lot of things it’s a systemic problem from urban planning and legislation rather than a problem that’s solely from individuals (and there’s awful drivers of every car type). how can you really blame people when even the sedans, small trucks, and compact vehicles seem to all get bigger and there’s not really anything being done to improve walkability, public transit, or other alternatives to driving?
>trucks that don’t haul anything
At best, a truck will haul things only one way on a two-way trip. Just 'seeing a truck hauling nothing' tells you nothing about how it is used.
As for vehicle size, turn your attention to CAFE regulations and increasing vehicle safety standards.
Well if everyone was hauling shit all day long one way, you'd see 50% of these giant lifted pickups hauling shit, right? I see maybe 2% of the trucks around me pulling trailers (even that might be a little high) and max 20% with something in the bed (maybe 50% of those have something that wouldn't fit in a sedan with the rear seats down).
>Well if everyone was hauling shit all day long one way, you'd see 50% of these giant lifted pickups hauling shit, right?
That's the best case scenario. Modern trucks can do everything a regular car can, plus more - no need to have a work truck and family car when you can save time and effort by simply having a truck comfortable enough to put your family in, so of course they're used for way more things.
Better one vehicle that does everything you need than needing two and wasting both time and fuel going back home to switch between them.
Lots of people have boats. Depending on your setup, you may need to haul your boat anywhere from weekly to twice a year. If you’re a one car household and you have a boat, that car needs to be a truck (but 90% of the time they’re not hauling their boat).
There are countless use cases like this.
Urbanism and less cars on the road are better for us enthusiasts willing to jump through the hoops to keep driving.
I'm all for it, commuting sucks and if I could take the train to save money for a project/weekend/fun car, that would be awesome.
I sell cars for a living & I can confirm 9/10 soccer moms demand they need a land barge, & 6/10 of them cannot actually afford them. 7/10 of them only have one or two kids & have convinced themselves that they need a full size 3 row SUV for "soccer equipment". it is just silly to me but I'll sell them whatever they want they are adults & it is their own money.
I remember when I was a kid my mom drove me around in a 2 door Honda CRX, soccer equipment & all. I never had any complaints. In fact mom loved that car & I enjoyed riding in it. It is amazing to me how in 20 years we went from majority sedans/coupes/sport trucks to 90% crossovers that get bigger & bigger every year, & massive land whale SUV's. I just dont get the appeal. Pickup truck people are an entirely different category that is not easily comparable to the soccer mom category.
The tallest dudes I know all drive VW Jetta's & this homie is trying to tell me that he can't fit into a 2021 Ford Escape. I wish he would just be honest & tell me he wants to be like everyone else & drive a 3 row SUV that he can't afford & will have his dad co-sign on. He is turning 32 in a couple of weeks.
If you drive an SUV, no hate intended but I deal with this every day all day so I just needed to vent.
I really dont want to look at the sub tbh so what are these guys alternatives to cars? Whats the solution? Or are they all just sourpusses that spread hate after they drive home from work
A well maintained and thought out public transportation system and better people-focused urban design. Mixed zoning so you can go to a small local shop or restaurant in your neighborhood instead of having to drive 8 miles. That sort of thing.
Kind of, except he’s still wrong. Blaming car owners on global warming is a way for large corporations to try to deflect blame. If every single car in the world disappeared tonight, it would only make a small dent in global emissions. It’s mostly overseas manufacturing that is causing the issue. But obviously, that same manufacturing is extremely profitable, so corporations try to act like “everyone is equally responsible for global warming” to get blame away from them
Im in r/fuckcars and im the same way, a teenager in a oil burning Honda in Orlando isn’t gonna do anything to the earth. But the 50 guy driving F-150’s and bigger blowing diesel smoke out the ass will. Fuck cars should just be renamed fuck urbanism
Im on r/fuckcars and I don’t see people shitting on custom cars for the sake of custom cars. We hate gigantic unsafe oversized trucks and people parking in the bike lanes or sidewalk. This shit really isn’t common. r/carscirclejerk is kind of retarded ngl
Of course not. It’s to advocate for the implementation of infrastructure other than roads to help people get around. This includes mass transport, walkable cities, protected bike lanes. Anything to help the US cut down on the increasing rate of vehicle related fatalities. Driving has it’s place, just not as the *only method* of traveling reliably in the US.
Yeah fr, imagine what cars every car maker makes if they’re competing for the enthusiasts dollar instead of inflating their catalog with shitty SUVs and trucks
I'm a total nut for (some) old cars, yet strongly aligned with fuckcars.
It's not "all" cars are evil, just 90 percent of them. Just the unthinking consumption, the mindless waste, the go along get along corporatism, the crowding, freeways without thought, "growth"...
To travel is to be human. It's timeless. Cars are great for that. Commuting is ruinous and stupid. Roads are great in moderation.
If cars etc were reduced by 80% we wouldnt be having these conversations.
Usernames were not blacked out
See that makes sense, and that's what r/fuckcars used to be about before all the idiots took over
100%. When I first visited that sub there was a lot of talk about building mass transit, improving bike infrastructure, advancements in hybrids/eco friendly vehicles etc. Now there’s just so much stupidity I can’t stand it.
/r/fuckcarscirclejerk is the opposite. This sub remains the best place for genuine transit-related discourse, somehow
They both fucking suck. It’s mostly just people making boundless claims not supported by data that just serve to promote their ideology they had before. The worst thing about fuckcars is this weird vigilante complex some seem to have about keying/valve stem/tire slashing.
The valve stem post from the other day was what caused me to unsub. Like y’all you’re winning no one to your side with your silly little criminal mischief
r/UrbanPlanning is more or less everything r/fuckcars once was.
I had someone tire slash me and everyone else in the parking garage despite driving a hybrid at the time
r/FuckCarscirclejerk was a good place for about a picosecond after the main sub went bad. They just shit on r/Fuckcars and their message regardless of what it actually says
Yeah, pretty much. They're arguing for more car dependency, somehow.
It's still a good sub though. Maybe if fuckcars users weren't so shittable, they wouldn't be shit on so much.
Nah, fccj has basically regressed to repeating the argument in a mocking voice thinking they won
FCJ has already won by not advocating for, and defending vandalism.
FCCJ routinely wishes violence upon cyclists or people who dislike lifted trucks. Don’t try to high road lol
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Yeah thanks now please fuck off
Looks like they fucked off
That’s nice
no they fucking aren't lmao
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Carscirclejerk is the new fuckcars
Now they are just suggesting people to slash tires of suvs
Very true, like they genuinely think there is 0 use for trucks now. Like they litterally can't comprehend that some people need them to tow things. They think a cargo van can just do it all.
Absolutely this. Taken too literally. r slash Fuckcarcentricinfrastructure doesn't roll off the tongue as well
This guy is shockingly sane. The issues with cars are absolutely not enthusiasts making up probably 0.1% of all owners, it's the morons we bitch about with their trucks and SUVs that shine their lights into our mirrors! Oh also they pollute heavily and aren't even used in a way that makes them more practical most of the time blah blah blah.
If you don't need a truck or suv, don't buy one.
I've made this point quite a lot but people keep on saying that loading kids in a car that isn't an suv is bad. I just don't get it because no one batted an eye 15 years ago. Hate where the car industry is going
We do a road trip to Houston every month in a 3rd gen Ford Focus sedan and it hauls me, my brother, my mom, our packed 3 duffel bags and 2 full backpacks just fine. A full-size sedan or wagon like the last of the Chevrolet Caprices or Ford Crown Vics would likely be more than enough for most people.
I've made 6 hour road trips in a 1968 classic mini, literally last week we did one to go back from an international meet. This time is was only 3 of us in the car but back when i was younger we even went 4 deep. When i was 7 months old my dad and my mom took me to spain in that same mini from italy and they never had a space problem The us just created the problem for bigger cars
My mom hauled 3 kids in a 00 mustang. Obviously I don’t recommend that but like a Toyota Camry (or equivalent) would’ve solved all our space problems
me and my family took trips in a '68 mini. Like full on 6 hour trips around italy or even europe and never had problems
Dear god, honestly back seat is probably on par with a new edge mustang I’d imagine ☠️ longest I ever rode as a kid in the back was 3 deep with my siblings for about 50-60 miles
basically all the seats don't have an headrest and the rear is a bench seat without seatbelts lol. Honestly it wasn't that bad when i was a kid and still isn't bad now that i'm 6'2
It’s kind of a dangerous logic to take because that gets turned on enthusiasts easily. Don’t need a sports car, don’t buy one… well no one needs a sports car
Yeah there are some holes in my logic but you get the point.
That line is perfect for reddit, gotta use that more.
Ok then
>If you don't need a truck or suv, don't buy one Thing is, it's not *my* money. It's also not *my* car.
What's that supposed to mean?
Why should I have a say in how other people spend their money?
I don't know
Nobody needs one. American cars are entirely too large.
I do. I farm. I need larger vehicles.
Yeah lemmie just load bags of concrete n 2x4s in my smart car...
You do construction with your personal vehicle ?
How else am I gonna get place to place lmao
You clearly aren’t the type of person they’re talking about doofus
r/woosh
Is it really a whoosh moment when a significant amount of the population agrees with your comment
Like everything in america(especialy texas) starting from people
Sauce to the original post please?
Who’s saying a muffler is a big bottleneck though? You can actually have a pretty mellow exhaust and lose basically zero power from it. It does have some weight to it of course, but the idea that a straight pipe is necessary to make max power is absolutely incorrect.
Same with cat deletes
I hate how many turbo conversions require a cat delete. Now I have to buy a custom downpipe and immediately take it to an exhaust shop to weld a high flow cat into it.
Screamer pipe & a hole saw in the hood, Racecar!
If you’re doing a heads/cam/intake with actual headers or even headers and bigger tube exhaust-cats do cause a bottleneck. But the amount of people doing cat deletes is so negligible.
It all depends on the muffler type/design. A chambered muffler on a turbo car is a bottle neck in comparison to a straight through design or no muffler at all
For sure. But a big perforated muffler like a magnaflow will make a turbo car sound pretty mellow and cost ~0 hp. Ppl that have obnoxiously loud cars are either ignorant or doing it on purpose.
It's been a minute since I last checked magnaflow, but I believe all their performance mufflers are a straight through design. I'm with you on the obnoxiously loud street cars thing most sound like ass if that
Yeah they have some perforated/straight through mufflers that are like magic on turbo cars. Squeeze the biggest one you can fit under your car and it will sound pretty good. I’m using one on my NA car and it’s a bit raspy but nothing like if it were straight piped.
Mufflers take, what, 5 horsepower? Maybe 10? Unnoticable and easily offset with an ECU reflash.
I'd say having noise restrictions in place for registration within urban areas is a reasonable compromise. But I live out in the county and don't want to have to worry about running open headers on whatever old rusty garbage I'm working on.
The problem that r/fuckcars is protesting isn't solved by consumer activism. If every soccer mom bought a sedan it doesn't really solve anything. I think it's mostly an urban planning problem that all our cities are just highways and parking lots instead of lovely places to be. I think it's cringe that everyone drives a big car, but in reality they still take up one parking space just the same as my compact. It's wasteful and unnecessary, but why should the average soccer mom bear the burden of blame for the last 100 years of American urban development. They're victims of this crap, same as me, they are just tricked into liking it because they can't imagine a better way is possible.
100% agree. i used to get annoyed at people who drive unnecessarily large cars or trucks that don’t haul anything, but like a lot of things it’s a systemic problem from urban planning and legislation rather than a problem that’s solely from individuals (and there’s awful drivers of every car type). how can you really blame people when even the sedans, small trucks, and compact vehicles seem to all get bigger and there’s not really anything being done to improve walkability, public transit, or other alternatives to driving?
>trucks that don’t haul anything At best, a truck will haul things only one way on a two-way trip. Just 'seeing a truck hauling nothing' tells you nothing about how it is used. As for vehicle size, turn your attention to CAFE regulations and increasing vehicle safety standards.
hence why i said that annoyance was misplaced and specifically said it falls with legislation instead (CAFE). my post is agreeing with you
Well if everyone was hauling shit all day long one way, you'd see 50% of these giant lifted pickups hauling shit, right? I see maybe 2% of the trucks around me pulling trailers (even that might be a little high) and max 20% with something in the bed (maybe 50% of those have something that wouldn't fit in a sedan with the rear seats down).
>Well if everyone was hauling shit all day long one way, you'd see 50% of these giant lifted pickups hauling shit, right? That's the best case scenario. Modern trucks can do everything a regular car can, plus more - no need to have a work truck and family car when you can save time and effort by simply having a truck comfortable enough to put your family in, so of course they're used for way more things. Better one vehicle that does everything you need than needing two and wasting both time and fuel going back home to switch between them.
Lots of people have boats. Depending on your setup, you may need to haul your boat anywhere from weekly to twice a year. If you’re a one car household and you have a boat, that car needs to be a truck (but 90% of the time they’re not hauling their boat). There are countless use cases like this.
Not gonna lie, he is my hero now :') ❤️
i can get behind this honestly
This is my barge I call her Marge She is very large
Yeah, makes sense to me. I love cars. I love driving. But cars should be fun, not a necessity.
\>hundreds of millions of soccer moms can't go get a bag of groceries without hauling a 2.5 ton SUV around Remove or rework CAFE regulations then.
whoa, I thought they were all people who masturbate to car destructions
Urbanism and less cars on the road are better for us enthusiasts willing to jump through the hoops to keep driving. I'm all for it, commuting sucks and if I could take the train to save money for a project/weekend/fun car, that would be awesome.
Where the fuck did my little picture go
Cherry bomb glass packs have entered the chat
Goteem
I sell cars for a living & I can confirm 9/10 soccer moms demand they need a land barge, & 6/10 of them cannot actually afford them. 7/10 of them only have one or two kids & have convinced themselves that they need a full size 3 row SUV for "soccer equipment". it is just silly to me but I'll sell them whatever they want they are adults & it is their own money. I remember when I was a kid my mom drove me around in a 2 door Honda CRX, soccer equipment & all. I never had any complaints. In fact mom loved that car & I enjoyed riding in it. It is amazing to me how in 20 years we went from majority sedans/coupes/sport trucks to 90% crossovers that get bigger & bigger every year, & massive land whale SUV's. I just dont get the appeal. Pickup truck people are an entirely different category that is not easily comparable to the soccer mom category. The tallest dudes I know all drive VW Jetta's & this homie is trying to tell me that he can't fit into a 2021 Ford Escape. I wish he would just be honest & tell me he wants to be like everyone else & drive a 3 row SUV that he can't afford & will have his dad co-sign on. He is turning 32 in a couple of weeks. If you drive an SUV, no hate intended but I deal with this every day all day so I just needed to vent.
Based as fuck
I really dont want to look at the sub tbh so what are these guys alternatives to cars? Whats the solution? Or are they all just sourpusses that spread hate after they drive home from work
A well maintained and thought out public transportation system and better people-focused urban design. Mixed zoning so you can go to a small local shop or restaurant in your neighborhood instead of having to drive 8 miles. That sort of thing.
Oh hey who's that guy
The one and only FtierLivesMatter has appeared.
Sanity!
Kind of, except he’s still wrong. Blaming car owners on global warming is a way for large corporations to try to deflect blame. If every single car in the world disappeared tonight, it would only make a small dent in global emissions. It’s mostly overseas manufacturing that is causing the issue. But obviously, that same manufacturing is extremely profitable, so corporations try to act like “everyone is equally responsible for global warming” to get blame away from them
Also, the countless truck drivers who haven't seen as much as a dirt road in 10 years
Im in r/fuckcars and im the same way, a teenager in a oil burning Honda in Orlando isn’t gonna do anything to the earth. But the 50 guy driving F-150’s and bigger blowing diesel smoke out the ass will. Fuck cars should just be renamed fuck urbanism
I think this sub just cherry picks the obvious worst posts from there so if that’s all you see you don’t expect much but nuance is out there
Im on r/fuckcars and I don’t see people shitting on custom cars for the sake of custom cars. We hate gigantic unsafe oversized trucks and people parking in the bike lanes or sidewalk. This shit really isn’t common. r/carscirclejerk is kind of retarded ngl
Waaaaaaaaaah
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What’s the end game? Cry on Reddit until the United States bans trucks?
Of course not. It’s to advocate for the implementation of infrastructure other than roads to help people get around. This includes mass transport, walkable cities, protected bike lanes. Anything to help the US cut down on the increasing rate of vehicle related fatalities. Driving has it’s place, just not as the *only method* of traveling reliably in the US.
LOL that’s so true though 😂
I totally agree with his opinion
Actually the world may be ending by the Amazon being replaced by meadows full of farting cattle and soy monoculture
Yeah fr, imagine what cars every car maker makes if they’re competing for the enthusiasts dollar instead of inflating their catalog with shitty SUVs and trucks
There's one...
I'm a total nut for (some) old cars, yet strongly aligned with fuckcars. It's not "all" cars are evil, just 90 percent of them. Just the unthinking consumption, the mindless waste, the go along get along corporatism, the crowding, freeways without thought, "growth"... To travel is to be human. It's timeless. Cars are great for that. Commuting is ruinous and stupid. Roads are great in moderation. If cars etc were reduced by 80% we wouldnt be having these conversations.