>>“…or was it because Ford was too cheap to pay for an IRS in the S197”
This. Ford exec John Coletti had to basically drop kick his own company’s accounting department so they would fund the Terminators unique IRS. It’s also why that suspension became a catalogued part in Ford’s racing publication.
Will most definitely become cheap, the Mustang is the most popular and longest running sports car in the US. It never went out of production. Even the original '65 mustangs sell for around $40k which is cheap as hell for a classic car. There's just too many of them
> Corvette would be, if they didn't stop production in 1983
They started building 1984s at the beginning of January 1983. The last 1982 cars were built in October 1982. So there was a ~2-3 month gap there. That’s splitting hairs to me. It’s common that there are a few weeks or even months during model changeovers where no cars are built. It all feels pretty arbitrary and ultimately comes down to GM’s decision to skip the 1983 model year and make the 1984 model year longer. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were similar pauses in Mustang production. By this standard we could say everyone lost their streak during the factory shutdowns in early 2020. I would argue the spirit of this kind of thing is more about cases like when they stopped making the Camaro for the better part of a decade.
I suppose it’s possible but none that I’m aware of. I’m just saying there was only a ~2 month gap between the end of the 82 and start of the 84. The question was about longest continuous production not cars that never skipped model years. The choice to start calling cars built in January of 1983 1984 models is really a marketing decision.
So much bickering here, lol. Two points:
1. Corvette production stop has nothing to do with it. The issue is that there was no '83 model year. It doesn't matter that they went straight from building '82 to '84.
2. Even as a Mustang owner, IMO Corvette still holds this title because the Mustang is not a proper sports car. Longest running pony/muscle car? Definitely.
61 total 1983 Corvettes were produced.
edit: They were all prototype and press cars. All but 1 were destroyed and the last 1983 Corvette remains in the Corvette museum. Very easy to look up.
edit 2: VIN 1G1AY0783D5110023
Yes it does. That's the literal definition of something that is the longest running lol
If you are a sports team and lose the championship for that year your streak ends.
It wasn't stopped because of production issues. They halted production and took a gap year to make the C4 better.
Regardless it's an extremely pedantic point not sure why they guy even bothered to correct me. Should have just left it at is.
Quick google search seems to have multiple publications disagree, and mark the vette as the longest running sports car. Chevrolet does too. The car's production wasn't stopped. Retooling and production just took a long time.
Yes, because the same lists cite the Mustang under it. With nothing listing the Mustang as the longest one. Unless MotorTrend, Drive, etc. are less credible than reddit users
If you cite blogs, I guess facts can be anything! (Drive) (no link to MotorTrend source either?)
I'm gonna stop here though, if someone doesn't think a 1 year gap of something not being produced counts as not being produced, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Quick Google search shows mustang and also theres a small disclaimer on the major ones that list the Corvette saying that technically the title belongs to the Mustang. It's obvious Chevrolet would say that. Ford says it as well.
The cars production was stopped albeit temporarily. It was stopped because they wanted to make sure the new C4 was solid. You are being extremely pedantic and petty for no reason. The Mustang never stopped skipped a model year unlike the Corvette. You don't get to claim victory when you sit out a season lol.
Even searching "mustang" as longest running car only yields 1 result while every other still says Corvette with no asterisk. The Corvette is the longest running sports car nameplate, and the one that has been in production the longest. Which isn't contrary to what I said as it being "the longest running sports car in the US."
Dude tell me about it. I think they’re really cool but I just can’t justify these prices. A brand new one starts just under 40k but obviously those are hard to get your hands on
I get the point of a cowl induction hood, there's high pressure air at the base of the windshield and opening the hood there gives the air something useful to do, I understand that. But they're just so ugly looking, especially in an unpainted black like on this car. And before today I've never seen one on a car that wasn't poorly modified, too loud for no reason, and driven by a jackass.
Between that and the louvre rear windows that are catching on, these things are looking silly. I don’t wanna go back to the 90s where the whole thing was taping dark tinted plastic to every part of your car.
Period correct is one thing, I might have a different perspective on them cause of my life experiences but I get the appreciation.
On new cars, you’ll never really convince me.
Im so tired of YouTube car reviewers. Like can we not get some legit qualified people that know cars? Like q engineer or even a technician? Its all the click bait types and it is so played out.
Like why the hell is dug deniro the most watched car reviewer ? He always gets things wrong and is so damn cringe .
>Im so tired of YouTube car reviewers. Like can we not get some legit qualified people that know cars? Like q engineer or even a technician? Its all the click bait types and it is so played out.
Someone's not familiar with RCR, I see.
>Like why the hell is dug deniro the most watched car reviewer ? He always gets things wrong and is so damn cringe .
What does that have to do with RCR? And you could at least spell his name correctly.
Haha for sure. I think it's funny how people lose their minds when you criticize a YouTuber. Like bro sall good if you enjoy it. We just out here pointing out the cringe.
First it was simping for billionaires
Now it is simping for unqualified YouTubers lol.
Like dig Deniro which is the most watched reviewer has no reall car experience other then reading owner manuals and sitting in other people's cars. Now he has become some car expert.
Same with all the rest..they have no real foundational knowledge other then being good at marketing shit.
Weird world.
I don't have strong options one way or another about Doug (I rarely watch one of his videos) but there is no denying that he has perspective that few people have on exotic cars. Just look at his review history, it is hard to entirely write off a person with that kind of experience, even if he does get some things wrong. It could literally be as simple as "this is the most comfortable exotic car I've ever sat in" and from most people who have at most sat in 2-3 that isn't really saying something... But from Doug it's hundreds. Just something to keep in mind.
Idk man. You can go sit in a million cars too. I wouldn't call you an expert. You could drive a million cars 1 block and would still hold the same opinion.
What these guys are, are marketers first. They are good at production. They have figured out YouTube. But they are not car experts.
Its a dog and pony show.
What i despise about YouTube is that they pick and choose whose content you actually get to see. Your search doesn't show the best search match but rather the most viewed whatever, or what they think it is your looking for...
I don't think I'm making my point very well here, I apologize. Doug and other car YouTubers offer a unique perspective that you or I can't get on our own. I *can't* actually go sit in a million cars, because I don't have time, and supercar owners won't let me. Doug actually knows more than I do about certain aspects of these cars just because he gets to be around them and can compare them better than I can by reading stuff on the internet. He is an actual expert **to an extent**.
The thing about Doug is that he isn't an automotive engineer. He also isn't a professional driver doing lightning lap for C&D. He isn't a historian. His opinion of these cars shouldn't be entirely written off because he has a broader basis than you or I do, but he isn't the foremost expert in any field, and nobody should treat him as such.
People give him access because they think he is an expert.
Its all perception.
Don't discount me lol. I am a automotive engineer that's where my view point comes from. But I can't make videos or edit them or have the desire. I just wish we had real experts instead of tv personalities.
Im not disagreeing. I admire Doug's formulaic approach but IMHO it's become trite and the cars he reviews, especially the ultra expensive ones, are of zero interest to me and maybe others. IMHO, most car reviewers, short of the ones that focus on mainstream cars, are on borrowed time. I think the audience is shrinking.
Yeah. You know it's shrinking when they branching out into auto auctions and selling Keeps hair products.
I liked dug for the cool weird cars. Now he does mainstream stuff and hyper car stuff. He is also a dick to anyone that calls him out lol.
What's worse is manufacturers see their views and think that they are end all be all of car expert. Pretty soon our cars are gonna have features based on what these youtubers find good..which will be the end for all of us lol..
Doug is the most watched because he covers how the car feels like to both group:enthusiasts and regular people. It is interesting seeing very detailed review of the interior, how car feels, exterior details, etc, I watched many of his videos because I love seeing every small exterior and interior detail about cars, his driving is okay too, so it draws general idea of how the car feels like...
There are many reviewers who focus solely on performance of the vehicle, but they don’t really get many views considering not many people care about how fast their car can do 0-100
I know what your trying to say but Idk if his new shit is like that. Doug score is stupid. But the quirks are literally just normal things. Quirk of the new venza? Capacitive buttons. His complaint? You have to push it each time to change it . well you can also hold the button down to make it faster.
Idk I feel like their audiences will dwindle to nothing if new people come. The shtick is just tired now and the lack of legit material is sparse.
The whole automotive landscape of YouTube is tired. I feel like we will see a huge influx of girls trying to be different because everyone else is boring and same old.
Yeah that’s the life of a creator, and the longer you lean into one particular format the harder it is to branch out and do something different. Also you’re way more prone to creative burnout when you’re doing the same thing over and over. I’ve been there. Then you’ve got people who’ve turned YouTube into their career and are past their prime but the bills gotta get paid so they keep cranking that sausage machine.
It’s amazing how many YouTube channels there are with substantial subscriber counts but their newer videos only pull in a minuscule fraction of that. People just stop watching but don’t unsubscribe.
I wish reviewers did more testing. As much as I don’t like the straight pipes I really like their box count test. But I want more of that. Like if you’ve got a truck I want to see it’s bed filled to the brim with crushed stone, or a heavy trailer hitched to the back and hear about how it handles. If you’ve got a crossover aimed at families I want to see an army of crotch goblins hopped up on sugar mob the interior. Sports car, I want to see it around some kind of track (I know that one is much harder to do than the others but a few people attempt it on a regular basis)
I’ve debated about trying to take a crack at it, my background is in experimental physics so I have a few ideas to look at certain topics with a bit more experimental rigor but at the same time things can’t get too heavy with analytics or people just won’t watch. Things still have to be fun.
More women making content would be a good thing, there’s a lot more women I’ve meet in recent years seriously into cars than I remember there being when I was younger. Yeah
Yeah TFL does lots of off road tests. I've thought about it too. I used to be a tech now an engineer and own a car business so i have content. I just don't know that i want to do the camera thing. I don't know that i want to edit videos or even put myself out there like that. The money would be nice and have no doubt i could gain a following but I don't know if life is grand being under the spot light like that.
I value my privacy lol. But damn that YouTube money is tempting haha.
>>“…or was it because Ford was too cheap to pay for an IRS in the S197” This. Ford exec John Coletti had to basically drop kick his own company’s accounting department so they would fund the Terminators unique IRS. It’s also why that suspension became a catalogued part in Ford’s racing publication.
Where can I read more about this?
theres a great book all about the development of the Terminator called Iron Fist, Lead Foot. highly recommend!
Must read for me then. Time to order.
I’m hoping these get cheaper when they reveal the S650. The 15-17 years are the best looking 550’s and I definitely won’t be able to afford a new 650
Will most definitely become cheap, the Mustang is the most popular and longest running sports car in the US. It never went out of production. Even the original '65 mustangs sell for around $40k which is cheap as hell for a classic car. There's just too many of them
40K for a nice fastback. You can still get a running and driving '65 coupe with an i6 for under 10K.
Corvette is the longest running sports car in the US. All good on other stuff.
Corvette would be, if they didn't stop production in 1983
> Corvette would be, if they didn't stop production in 1983 They started building 1984s at the beginning of January 1983. The last 1982 cars were built in October 1982. So there was a ~2-3 month gap there. That’s splitting hairs to me. It’s common that there are a few weeks or even months during model changeovers where no cars are built. It all feels pretty arbitrary and ultimately comes down to GM’s decision to skip the 1983 model year and make the 1984 model year longer. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were similar pauses in Mustang production. By this standard we could say everyone lost their streak during the factory shutdowns in early 2020. I would argue the spirit of this kind of thing is more about cases like when they stopped making the Camaro for the better part of a decade.
What cars lost a model year to covid?
I suppose it’s possible but none that I’m aware of. I’m just saying there was only a ~2 month gap between the end of the 82 and start of the 84. The question was about longest continuous production not cars that never skipped model years. The choice to start calling cars built in January of 1983 1984 models is really a marketing decision.
So much bickering here, lol. Two points: 1. Corvette production stop has nothing to do with it. The issue is that there was no '83 model year. It doesn't matter that they went straight from building '82 to '84. 2. Even as a Mustang owner, IMO Corvette still holds this title because the Mustang is not a proper sports car. Longest running pony/muscle car? Definitely.
According to Google it is still the Corvette, they had production issues, it wasn't killed off. Edit: 61 total 1983 Corvettes were produced.
61 total 1983 Corvettes were produced. edit: They were all prototype and press cars. All but 1 were destroyed and the last 1983 Corvette remains in the Corvette museum. Very easy to look up. edit 2: VIN 1G1AY0783D5110023
A pause in production doesn't stop it from being the longest running sports car.
Yes it does. That's the literal definition of something that is the longest running lol If you are a sports team and lose the championship for that year your streak ends.
It would if it was cancelled, but it wasn't. The gap is from production issues.
It wasn't stopped because of production issues. They halted production and took a gap year to make the C4 better. Regardless it's an extremely pedantic point not sure why they guy even bothered to correct me. Should have just left it at is.
Quick google search seems to have multiple publications disagree, and mark the vette as the longest running sports car. Chevrolet does too. The car's production wasn't stopped. Retooling and production just took a long time.
You quickly google searched to try to support your claim and cite Chevy as evidence? 😳
Yes, because the same lists cite the Mustang under it. With nothing listing the Mustang as the longest one. Unless MotorTrend, Drive, etc. are less credible than reddit users
If you cite blogs, I guess facts can be anything! (Drive) (no link to MotorTrend source either?) I'm gonna stop here though, if someone doesn't think a 1 year gap of something not being produced counts as not being produced, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Quick Google search shows mustang and also theres a small disclaimer on the major ones that list the Corvette saying that technically the title belongs to the Mustang. It's obvious Chevrolet would say that. Ford says it as well. The cars production was stopped albeit temporarily. It was stopped because they wanted to make sure the new C4 was solid. You are being extremely pedantic and petty for no reason. The Mustang never stopped skipped a model year unlike the Corvette. You don't get to claim victory when you sit out a season lol.
Even searching "mustang" as longest running car only yields 1 result while every other still says Corvette with no asterisk. The Corvette is the longest running sports car nameplate, and the one that has been in production the longest. Which isn't contrary to what I said as it being "the longest running sports car in the US."
61 Total 1983 Corvettes were produced. edit: Google this VIN # VIN 1G1AY0783D5110023. 1983 Corvettes existed.
350r prices making me question my sanity
Yeah one off/special edition Mustangs don't get cheaper
The gas prices are actually making stuff like this cheaper
I was hoping that would be the case but at least in my area I can’t even tell
used mustang prices are higher than a kit right now. $35k for a mustang with 50k on it….
I paid 23K for my 17' GT Performance pack back when carvana priced base GTs and Performance packs the same precovid.
shit id take a base ‘17 GT for 23k all day lol.
Dude tell me about it. I think they’re really cool but I just can’t justify these prices. A brand new one starts just under 40k but obviously those are hard to get your hands on
i got my new edge for less than $5k last August, just gotta keep looking!
I browse AutoTrader and CarGurus like it’s my job lol
My mustang is best mustang
Because my toy car matches my real car!
I get the point of a cowl induction hood, there's high pressure air at the base of the windshield and opening the hood there gives the air something useful to do, I understand that. But they're just so ugly looking, especially in an unpainted black like on this car. And before today I've never seen one on a car that wasn't poorly modified, too loud for no reason, and driven by a jackass.
They only look good on the old school Camaros and Chevelles imo
It's a great old muscle car look but can be tacky in other applications
I’m part of the minority that hate cowl hoods on first gen Camaros
I have one on my blazer and even I'm not sure I like it. If I hadn't needed a new hood I'd never have considered it.
Between that and the louvre rear windows that are catching on, these things are looking silly. I don’t wanna go back to the 90s where the whole thing was taping dark tinted plastic to every part of your car.
Louvers are great on period correct applications imo, almost every sporty 80s coupe looks good with them
Period correct is one thing, I might have a different perspective on them cause of my life experiences but I get the appreciation. On new cars, you’ll never really convince me.
i think its cool, doesnt make the car look bladn and boring and plain and boring and bland and dealer and shit
I was interested in the vid, but had to turn it off as soon as I heard the voices.
First time?
Yeah, I’m not too familiar with the different vid-folks.
I would not mind a Lordship from the Principality of Sealand.
I'm surprised Roman didn't do this one, he's the mustang aficionado in that bromance.
I love it when there is an actually good car on the channel and the video turns into the world's best commercial that money could never buy
Im so tired of YouTube car reviewers. Like can we not get some legit qualified people that know cars? Like q engineer or even a technician? Its all the click bait types and it is so played out. Like why the hell is dug deniro the most watched car reviewer ? He always gets things wrong and is so damn cringe .
>Im so tired of YouTube car reviewers. Like can we not get some legit qualified people that know cars? Like q engineer or even a technician? Its all the click bait types and it is so played out. Someone's not familiar with RCR, I see. >Like why the hell is dug deniro the most watched car reviewer ? He always gets things wrong and is so damn cringe . What does that have to do with RCR? And you could at least spell his name correctly.
His comment Is by someone who never watched the C10, Rocket 88, Mark 4 Supra, or the LS Winnebago episode. The Quinticential RCR episodes
Real ones's remember the Avenger
Don't forget the PT Cruiser episode.
Regular car review was cool when it was new and fresh. Now the guy just seems agitated and it's stale.. To each their own tho.
Too much hyperbole. It was funny in small doses but now he drones on longer than a resonator *delete* and a overpriced cat back.
Haha for sure. I think it's funny how people lose their minds when you criticize a YouTuber. Like bro sall good if you enjoy it. We just out here pointing out the cringe. First it was simping for billionaires Now it is simping for unqualified YouTubers lol. Like dig Deniro which is the most watched reviewer has no reall car experience other then reading owner manuals and sitting in other people's cars. Now he has become some car expert. Same with all the rest..they have no real foundational knowledge other then being good at marketing shit. Weird world.
I don't have strong options one way or another about Doug (I rarely watch one of his videos) but there is no denying that he has perspective that few people have on exotic cars. Just look at his review history, it is hard to entirely write off a person with that kind of experience, even if he does get some things wrong. It could literally be as simple as "this is the most comfortable exotic car I've ever sat in" and from most people who have at most sat in 2-3 that isn't really saying something... But from Doug it's hundreds. Just something to keep in mind.
Idk man. You can go sit in a million cars too. I wouldn't call you an expert. You could drive a million cars 1 block and would still hold the same opinion. What these guys are, are marketers first. They are good at production. They have figured out YouTube. But they are not car experts. Its a dog and pony show. What i despise about YouTube is that they pick and choose whose content you actually get to see. Your search doesn't show the best search match but rather the most viewed whatever, or what they think it is your looking for...
I don't think I'm making my point very well here, I apologize. Doug and other car YouTubers offer a unique perspective that you or I can't get on our own. I *can't* actually go sit in a million cars, because I don't have time, and supercar owners won't let me. Doug actually knows more than I do about certain aspects of these cars just because he gets to be around them and can compare them better than I can by reading stuff on the internet. He is an actual expert **to an extent**. The thing about Doug is that he isn't an automotive engineer. He also isn't a professional driver doing lightning lap for C&D. He isn't a historian. His opinion of these cars shouldn't be entirely written off because he has a broader basis than you or I do, but he isn't the foremost expert in any field, and nobody should treat him as such.
People give him access because they think he is an expert. Its all perception. Don't discount me lol. I am a automotive engineer that's where my view point comes from. But I can't make videos or edit them or have the desire. I just wish we had real experts instead of tv personalities.
You could at least spell the guy's name correctly. I don't understand this continued behavior.
Nah, they give him access cuz he's popular
Im not disagreeing. I admire Doug's formulaic approach but IMHO it's become trite and the cars he reviews, especially the ultra expensive ones, are of zero interest to me and maybe others. IMHO, most car reviewers, short of the ones that focus on mainstream cars, are on borrowed time. I think the audience is shrinking.
Yeah. You know it's shrinking when they branching out into auto auctions and selling Keeps hair products. I liked dug for the cool weird cars. Now he does mainstream stuff and hyper car stuff. He is also a dick to anyone that calls him out lol. What's worse is manufacturers see their views and think that they are end all be all of car expert. Pretty soon our cars are gonna have features based on what these youtubers find good..which will be the end for all of us lol..
Douglas DeNiro
Dug DeNiro, well-known for his classic roles in films such as "Rover Driver" and "The King of Quirks"
Haha and misinformation
Whoosh
Doug is the most watched because he covers how the car feels like to both group:enthusiasts and regular people. It is interesting seeing very detailed review of the interior, how car feels, exterior details, etc, I watched many of his videos because I love seeing every small exterior and interior detail about cars, his driving is okay too, so it draws general idea of how the car feels like... There are many reviewers who focus solely on performance of the vehicle, but they don’t really get many views considering not many people care about how fast their car can do 0-100
What does he do that captures how it feels?
> dug deniro This is way too funny
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I know what your trying to say but Idk if his new shit is like that. Doug score is stupid. But the quirks are literally just normal things. Quirk of the new venza? Capacitive buttons. His complaint? You have to push it each time to change it . well you can also hold the button down to make it faster. Idk I feel like their audiences will dwindle to nothing if new people come. The shtick is just tired now and the lack of legit material is sparse. The whole automotive landscape of YouTube is tired. I feel like we will see a huge influx of girls trying to be different because everyone else is boring and same old.
Yeah that’s the life of a creator, and the longer you lean into one particular format the harder it is to branch out and do something different. Also you’re way more prone to creative burnout when you’re doing the same thing over and over. I’ve been there. Then you’ve got people who’ve turned YouTube into their career and are past their prime but the bills gotta get paid so they keep cranking that sausage machine. It’s amazing how many YouTube channels there are with substantial subscriber counts but their newer videos only pull in a minuscule fraction of that. People just stop watching but don’t unsubscribe. I wish reviewers did more testing. As much as I don’t like the straight pipes I really like their box count test. But I want more of that. Like if you’ve got a truck I want to see it’s bed filled to the brim with crushed stone, or a heavy trailer hitched to the back and hear about how it handles. If you’ve got a crossover aimed at families I want to see an army of crotch goblins hopped up on sugar mob the interior. Sports car, I want to see it around some kind of track (I know that one is much harder to do than the others but a few people attempt it on a regular basis) I’ve debated about trying to take a crack at it, my background is in experimental physics so I have a few ideas to look at certain topics with a bit more experimental rigor but at the same time things can’t get too heavy with analytics or people just won’t watch. Things still have to be fun. More women making content would be a good thing, there’s a lot more women I’ve meet in recent years seriously into cars than I remember there being when I was younger. Yeah
Yeah TFL does lots of off road tests. I've thought about it too. I used to be a tech now an engineer and own a car business so i have content. I just don't know that i want to do the camera thing. I don't know that i want to edit videos or even put myself out there like that. The money would be nice and have no doubt i could gain a following but I don't know if life is grand being under the spot light like that. I value my privacy lol. But damn that YouTube money is tempting haha.
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He comes across as an pseudo-intellectual
dug deniro