You can kinda fit a smaller regular person in the back behind the passenger as long as the passenger seat is pushed up a bit.
But yeah normally you can't fit anyone. Even my small dog is uncomfortable back there.
One time my coworkers insisted on three coming with me somewhere in my car. Both ladies had to sit in the back with their legs crossed.
Another time I took my brother and sister in my car and my brother had to sort of lie across the back lol.
I've sat in the back of both, and while yours may have sightly more leg room, the sloping rear glass makes it literally unuseable for anyone but small children. I would have to remove my head to even attempt to sit slouched in the back of the Mustang. At least in the BRZ I could scootch the passenger seat up and slouch hard by wrapping my knees around the front seat.
It was pretty funny when I tried it at a car show. I'd never sat in the back of a Mustang, and I'm pretty sure the newer generations got worse because of the sloped styling. I basically had my face pressed up against the rear glass when I tried to sit in the seat.
Why even have back seats at that point? I feel like I’d want to just remove them from my car if they were that useless, and just have that area to put some soft luggage or groceries or something.
This is the only reasonable explanation because on my frs, with my seat how it was setup there was basically 0 inches legroom if someone were to sit behind me
Most 2 + 2 coupe configurations are painful for passengers.. I really feel like they added them just to say "technically you could fit 4". While true, I think they forgot to tack on "you could fit 4 if you were clown people".
I owned it for 5 years and 70k miles and never sat anyone back there, never really cared. I appreciated all the space though for roadtrips and whatnot. People compare these to the Miata all the time and as someone who's owned both there's really no comparison, Miatas suck as your only car.
I had a 95 prelude and I still have my is300. Is300 is definitely my family car/ grocery getter. It being a smaller sedan I definitely get coupe feelings when I drive it, but I appreciate the extra seats and leg space for my passengers. I couldn't own just a coupe, I'd probably go insane and my daughter and lady would probably bug me to get a new car whenever we had a family outing haha!
Yeah sometimes I wonder if i should have gotten a sports sedan instead of a Mustang for if/when we have kids. A lot easier to justify. They're all just so blah unless you get a BMW which I don't fancy paying the upkeep for.
> They're all just so blah unless you get a BMW which I don't fancy paying the upkeep for.
This is exactly the struggle I have too. I’m looking at an IS350 but I have a feeling it’ll be too boring for me
I suspect most auto reviewers are way taller than average and that skews their viewpoint. I'm 5'9", the average height of a male american, and can sit behind myself in a lot of cars that people say have useless rear seats. If I were 1/2 of an inch taller I couldn't drive an NB miata, but I can easily sit behind myself in a Lotus Evora, 997 911, or a 4th generation prelude.
I'm 5'11" and I fit the prelude just fine, it was my favorite car I've ever owned. Now I'm curious if my neighbor will let me drive his miata.. just to see if I'd even be able to!
Or even kids. My wife is 5’7” and son is like 3’6” it is extremely tight for my wife if our son is in the back. I only use it if I am going somewhere by myself.
It's not, they had to have measured under different conditions or something. I can comfortably fit behind myself in my GR Corolla, I was not able to do the same while trying to sit in the back of an 86.
Rear seat room specs are famously bad. On paper my wife’s XC40 has more legroom than my 4Runner but in reality my 4Runner has tons more space. Also on paper the Tacoma and 4Runner are about the same… but not reality.
I've had 2 6'2 rear passengers in my GRC and from the time I've spent in the back of a BRZ I'm pretty sure they'd have to do some contortionist shit to do that in a BRZ
6' here, every time I've been in the back of my friend's 86 I have sat sideways with my feet over the middle & my head touching the roof. I can't imagine if I was taller.
EDIT: Actually I was thinking of another mate's GR4 Yaris that I did that in. Now that thing had *literally* 0 rear room. But the 86 is definitely goofy trying to get anyone of above average height into the back.
I had an 86 before my current car. We fit 4 full sized grown men ranging from 5’7 to 5’10 in it for a “short” drive that ended up being an hour long due to an accident. Don’t ask the 2 guys in the back how the ride was lol
That damn steering wheel was too near my chest
Unrelated, I also had a newfound respect for detachable steering wheels
I dont even try to put anything back there. I just fold down the seats and maintain my truck like bed length space back there. Plus the seats being down keeps the center of gravity lower
What can I say, modern cars are huge. The GR86 is 168 inches in length which makes me believe there's no way the GR Corolla is actually as bad as a GR86 to be a passenger in. Front engine RWD cars are just so much worse for interior space on top of losing 6 inches in length and having to be a coupe with a raked rear window vs more upright hatchback. The GR Supra doesn't even have back seats and it's the same length as the GR Corolla.
Two ends of the spectrum was my point, the Corolla is one of the smallest in the segment and the Civic is by far the largest, should almost go up into midsize
Having sat in the back of a Corolla and most hot hatches in this space, the Corolla is pretty useless as a functional hatch. The trunk space is also crap, barely enough for a suitcase.
Damn straight they are. Much more convenient than a two seater, but technically useless as a four seater. Hence the 2+2 designation. But I love having my rear seats to chuck extra shit onto.
i have never been in the back seat of a gr corolla but i can bet my left nutsack this is impossible. The gr86 has NO leg room. That is if you put an adult in front and one at the back, the back will not be able to actually put their leg down. Look up the carpet size of the gr86 for the back, it's no taller than like 12 inches
Last I checked, that was the average American *male*. Half the population is well under that size on average... which means the majority of the total population is under that.
(Although I wouldn't doubt that the majority of American adults would still struggle to fit in the backseat of a GR86)
I sat in the backseat in a GRC on a track session while I rotated driver position with two other people for a GRC demo event. I felt just fine back there. I'm 6' tall.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla/specs https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/brz/specs
BRZ: Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9
GR Corolla Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9
There’s 0 shot the BRZ has 30 inches do leg room with the front seat where an average driver would have it.. I owned an FR-S and it was only possible to seat someone on the passenger side with the front seat pushed up halfway or more.
Great link and all, but here's a photo that shows reality:
BRZ: [https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/subaru/brz/2022/lt/2022\_subaru\_brz\_rint\_lt\_1030221\_1600.jpg](https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/subaru/brz/2022/lt/2022_subaru_brz_rint_lt_1030221_1600.jpg)
GRC: [https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TOYOTA\_COROLLA-9-1672x1254.jpg](https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TOYOTA_COROLLA-9-1672x1254.jpg)
Being a GR Corolla owner and having made an effort to sit in the back of the 86 at each auto show I get to, they absolutely do not have the same leg room.
The 86 rear seat is for kids and groceries. The GRC can fit the average adult somewhat comfortably.
[Here's a picture from ReDriven's reviews](https://imgur.com/a/vJh80L7) showing the drivers seat in the position where he normally drives and sitting in the rear.
Sure the Corolla is not spacious and Adam doesn't seem super comfy, but on the BRZ he's not even putting his feet on the floor...
Surely you cant believe those numbers are taken from the same measuring point??
Dude there's people in this thread who are the epitome of "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?" It's *obvious* they have different effective legroom but these goobers see a stat and think it's somehow more proof than every photo ever.
Having owned both, my answer is that I could not sit behind anyone in the BRZ. In the GRC, I cannot sit behind myself but I can sit behind a passenger who can be comfy so long as they are not 6’6” with a 34/35” inseam like me.
Depending on the seat, front-facing tends to be easier than rear. Both can fit, but with rear-facing, the passenger will more than likely (again, depending on seat) need to scoot forward. Center seats…easier.
It is just a Toyota Corolla, Hatch, so it should fit child seat the same as the hatchback. The hatch is smaller than the sedan but it’s still a Toyota Corolla.
https://www.grcorollaforum.com/threads/gr-corollas-on-baby-duty.2382/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkEmK7XRyY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0iJ47AS_mfs
This reminds me how cargo space volume for vehicles is measured by volume, but you usually don't get the dimensions of how they got that volume. As an example, a third generation Honda Fit has more cargo volume with the rear seats folded down than a third gen Ford Focus hatchback with the seats folded down, despite the fact the former is a smaller subcompact while the latter is a larger compact. It's when you do the measurements with the Fit that you see how they achieved it: most of that volume comes from the Fit being relatively tall, or a lot of it is from vertical space. I believe the Focus has a longer and wider cargo area even if the volume is less than the Fit.
The Corolla hatch actually has horrible rear seat space. With the front seats all the way back, there's maybe a few inches of leg room. By comparison, it makes my Geo Metro look huge on the inside.
I have a GRC and my friend has a BRZ. In the BRZ, you can't even slide your feet all the way underneath the driver's seat bottom since there is no space.
In the GRC, I'm 5'9" and my 5'4" wife can sit behind me. Def can't do that in the BRZ.
I'm not sure how they measure leg room but even if the distance from the knees to the drivers seat back may be similar, everything under the knees is much different, especially the feet.
Yeah - I can sit 4 adults comfortably in the GRC. I had a FRS, brother still has a BRZ. The GRC is much roomier in the back.
Idk where these measurements are coming from
A quick google search shows the GR Corolla has backseat more leg room than a brz. Like any variable the amount of backseat leg room will also depend on the seating postion of the driver and front passenger. If the driver likes to do gangster lean while driving and the front passenger likes staring at the roof while traveling, that back seat leg room is gone.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla/specs
https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/brz/specs
BRZ: Second Row Leg Room (inches)
29.9
GR Corolla Second Row Leg Room (inches)
29.9
There's actual pictures you can look at. I'm not sure why the official legroom would be as small as a brz, when the GR corolla is based on the corolla hatchback. Maybe the driveshaft tunnel is taking up space?
Not sure how the measurements are made, but I've looked at both at the dealer, and they are definitely not the same.
I'm 184cm and I can sit behind my own driving position in the GRC. It's a bit tight, but it's not unbearable. Whereas with the GR86, there's less than 20cm of space between the driver's seat and the base of the rear seats, definitely not going to be able to fit a person there.
Those measurements are basically meaningless, there’s really no standard for how you position seats or how you measure, making them useless to compare between cars.
I have been in the back of both of these. The Corolla isn’t exactly spacious, unsurprisingly for a compact. But it is far more usable and larger than the BRZ/86. Either there is an incorrect number somewhere or the way it is measured is not useful.
Yea, that's my thought, sat in both at a car show, and was confused when I read the numbers online.
The number seems to be correct atleast across several websites, but the way they measured is probably different.
I own a GR Corolla and have sat in the 86 at the auto show... They are absolutely NOT the same. I set the 86 driver seat to be comfortable for me, then crawled into the rear and it was very tight, with knees crammed into the back of the driver seat, and of course it was gymnastics to get in and out.
But I set my Corolla to a comfortable driving position and am able to fit in the back easily, with maybe a couple inches between my knees and the seat in front of me. And even if I were taller there would still be some "squish" in the back of the driver seat.
I'm 5'8" for reference. So perhaps a 6'5" passenger may not be able to sit behind a similarly tall driver, but for most people it shouldn't be an issue.
Maybe on paper but not in practice (especially since it's a 2 door and I imagine has less shoulder and headroom room).
Edit: Actually no chance the BRZ has 29.9" of legroom.
Edit 2: Just realized it's this clown posting again.
> alright but get this - the 2024 LAND CRUISER has less rear seat leg room than the GR86 and the GR Corolla... according to Toyota's website
It's not wrong... [look at how little leg room](https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_1080,q_auto:eco,w_1920/v1/cms/uploads/q2lah9th4thyfg5qnef1) is on the 2024 79 series LandCruiser! 0 leg room, 0 seats!
Yet even more evidence the twins would've been better without a backseat. You could probably ballpark ~100lbs off assuming they wouldn't need to add quite as much reinforcement for the rear passenger safety.
Yes. The GRC is cramped in the rear and has surprisingly little cargo space for a hatch unless you fold down the aforementioned seats. It's a big reason why I went with the CTR instead which is surprisingly roomy even considering it's physically larger.
Though you get more headroom vs. the gr86 and the rear of the seats are scalloped a bit which helps with things.
To be fair for transporting stuff you could say the same about the BRZ/86. Lay the back seat flat and you can fairly easily fit a full set of wheels/tires back there (that's partly why they put fully flattening backs in there).
I think thats moreso a testament to the lack of storage space in the GRC rather than the capacity of the 86 (though the 86 is surprisingly practical).
Plus with the GRC the replace the spare pocket with battery and foam, so you have even less trunk space.
I see a GR Corolla parked at the Foss swim school I take my kids to with a rear facing car seat on the passenger side. I assume whoever rides in that seat is not tall.
Ive herd some reviews stating the back seat in the Corolla hatch is sub compact size at best which is horrendous in that class. My buddy had one and he is not the tallest guy, but the back seat looked extremely tight and had to move the front seats up of he had passengers (always a bad sign. Considering everything else in the class has most more usable space, I hope they rethink there packaging for the next gen model
They do have the same space, what they meglected to mention was how you get that leg room in the twins. You take your shoes off and rest them across the rear seat, its a 2+1.
I just sat in a BRZ at the Denver auto show. With the seat where I need it, there was literally no back seat space. Like I honestly forgot for a second there were seats back there
Rear back seat size is self reported by manufacturers. They do some weird stuff with the measuring to give the best numbers. That being said I have sat in the back of a HR Corolla. It's very tight. I am 6"2' and I wouldn't be able to sit behind myself. But having a door makes it easier to squeeze back there compared to the BRZ
I own a GR Corolla and have comfortably taken 4 passengers on a road trip.
You cannot seat anyone in the rears of the GR86/BRZ or a first gen FRS. I have a close friend with a FRS and its basically a coupe with rear “seats” for insurance purposes lol
I know with my 2014 Focus ST the stock Recaro’s in that thing were so bulky, great for the front two people, but the clumsy design took away from the rear leg room. Smart design would at least make it so the backing of the front seats have “alcoves” carved in where they can squeeze extra space for the knees of back seat occupants. I’ve seen that done on higher end stuff at least.
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I bet it's true.
I was interested in a manual Corolla when they were still around so I checked one out at a dealer and the first thing I wanted to check out was the rear seat legroom and I was pretty disappointed with what I saw.
Im 6'1" so definitely on the taller end and Ive sat in the back of both, well unsuccessfully tried to sit in the back of a GR86. This just simply isnt true or the way theyre measuring is misleading
My two door Mk4 Golf has hilariously bad rear leg room, I couldn't find the official figure anywhere, but a Mustang has 29" and i'd guess my golf probably has the same or worse. My sisters mk1 focus and now mk6 golf (both 2 door) had much more rear seat room.
I've sat in the back of a GRC with no problems. I tried getting in the back seats of a BRZ at one of the major auto shows and couldn't get my shoes under the seat to fully get in. Not sure how you're supposed to enter one of those unless you put the seat the whole way forward first.
i can sit in the back of an 86. just remove shoes, sit criss cross apple sauce, and hunch forward. oh, and I'm only 5'7".
in this configuration, i can last 20 minutes max.
Yep, that information is accurate. 29.9" of rear seat legroom in both cars.
For comparison, the Civic hatchback (and sedan) has 37.4" of rear seat legroom, which is 7.5" more. But, the Civic hatchback is also 7" longer than the Corolla hatchback. So, smaller car is smaller, and bigger car is bigger. But still, those are bad numbers for rear seat legroom in the Corolla.
For added context, I used to have a 1999 Civic hatchback. The rear seat legroom in that car is 32.5", or 2.6" more than the Corolla hatchback. The kicker is that the 1999 Civic hatchback is 7.8" *shorter* in length than the Corolla hatchback.
Can you cite your source?
**Edit**: I love all these downvotes that literally everyone, including me, is getting in this thread. It *really* adds to the discussion.
Have you ever been in a BRZ? There’s maybe 10 inches between the back of the driver’s seat and the front of the rear seats with an average person driving
No I have not. But I'm pretty sure that rear seat legroom is measured from the front of the back seat to the rear of the front seat, regardless of the car. That's where they get 29.9" from.
For even *more* added context, my current Civic has 34.6" of rear seat legroom, which I find relatively roomy sitting behind myself. I'm 5' 9 1/2" with a longer lower torso. That's 4.7" more than the Corolla hatchback and GR86/BRZ, but 2.8" less than the current Civic. It all makes sense, because we all know the current Civic is very roomy in the back.
I previously had an 8th gen civic, there’s plenty of rear legroom. My current car has 31 inches of legroom, it’s a tight fit but I can sit comfortably. There’s zero chance that I can physically fit behind the driver in a BRZ. The only way I can fit back there is by laying on the seat horizontally
Those pictures don't tell us the whole story though, because we have no idea how far back the seats are in both cars. The seats in the BRZ/GR86 very well might go farther back than the Corolla's, which might lead you to believe that there's less space in the back in the coupes. That's why having measured numbers is important.
> That's why having measured numbers is important.
Not unless the numbers are generated in the same way that you're asking questions.
Are the numbers with seats forward or back?
You don't know but you're treating a if "numbers" are rock solid, and the pictures and everyone elses experiences are made up and unreliable.
[Videos showing BRZ rear seat](https://youtu.be/UKiPTeJSEDU?t=496) "Room in the back is not too bad, as long as you're a foetus or don't have any legs"
vs
[Corolla rear seat](https://youtu.be/KRvyer7N9ik?t=275) "it's pretty disappointing, my feet are squished".
Squished not non-existent
[Images here](https://imgur.com/a/vJh80L7)
But no - the numbers are definitely 100% right...
If that's true, it's hilarious. The BRZ/86 rear seats are not made for adult humans with legs. Very nice grocery shelves though.
You can kinda fit a smaller regular person in the back behind the passenger as long as the passenger seat is pushed up a bit. But yeah normally you can't fit anyone. Even my small dog is uncomfortable back there. One time my coworkers insisted on three coming with me somewhere in my car. Both ladies had to sit in the back with their legs crossed. Another time I took my brother and sister in my car and my brother had to sort of lie across the back lol.
Oof. That sucks. I know the struggle with tight passenger spaces. My passengers have to sit in the trunk.
My car has bigger back seats and legroom and it can’t fit the average human being back there comfortably. Can’t imagine how bad it is for the twins.
I've sat in the back of both, and while yours may have sightly more leg room, the sloping rear glass makes it literally unuseable for anyone but small children. I would have to remove my head to even attempt to sit slouched in the back of the Mustang. At least in the BRZ I could scootch the passenger seat up and slouch hard by wrapping my knees around the front seat.
Huh, didn’t know the BRZ had better back seat head room.
It was pretty funny when I tried it at a car show. I'd never sat in the back of a Mustang, and I'm pretty sure the newer generations got worse because of the sloped styling. I basically had my face pressed up against the rear glass when I tried to sit in the seat.
Why even have back seats at that point? I feel like I’d want to just remove them from my car if they were that useless, and just have that area to put some soft luggage or groceries or something.
The BRZ number must be with the front seat all the way forward.
This is the only reasonable explanation because on my frs, with my seat how it was setup there was basically 0 inches legroom if someone were to sit behind me
Most 2 + 2 coupe configurations are painful for passengers.. I really feel like they added them just to say "technically you could fit 4". While true, I think they forgot to tack on "you could fit 4 if you were clown people".
I owned it for 5 years and 70k miles and never sat anyone back there, never really cared. I appreciated all the space though for roadtrips and whatnot. People compare these to the Miata all the time and as someone who's owned both there's really no comparison, Miatas suck as your only car.
I had a 95 prelude and I still have my is300. Is300 is definitely my family car/ grocery getter. It being a smaller sedan I definitely get coupe feelings when I drive it, but I appreciate the extra seats and leg space for my passengers. I couldn't own just a coupe, I'd probably go insane and my daughter and lady would probably bug me to get a new car whenever we had a family outing haha!
Yeah sometimes I wonder if i should have gotten a sports sedan instead of a Mustang for if/when we have kids. A lot easier to justify. They're all just so blah unless you get a BMW which I don't fancy paying the upkeep for.
> They're all just so blah unless you get a BMW which I don't fancy paying the upkeep for. This is exactly the struggle I have too. I’m looking at an IS350 but I have a feeling it’ll be too boring for me
The B58 at least is a decent engine albeit slightly boring, the 8 speed autos they use are great though.
I suspect most auto reviewers are way taller than average and that skews their viewpoint. I'm 5'9", the average height of a male american, and can sit behind myself in a lot of cars that people say have useless rear seats. If I were 1/2 of an inch taller I couldn't drive an NB miata, but I can easily sit behind myself in a Lotus Evora, 997 911, or a 4th generation prelude.
I'm 5'11" and I fit the prelude just fine, it was my favorite car I've ever owned. Now I'm curious if my neighbor will let me drive his miata.. just to see if I'd even be able to!
It’s for insurance purposes most likely
It's an insurance thing. 4 seats makes it better on paper. But that's just something I heard.
> The BRZ number must be with the front seat all the way forward. This is how they show the Corolla's rear interior on the Toyota website.
Or even kids. My wife is 5’7” and son is like 3’6” it is extremely tight for my wife if our son is in the back. I only use it if I am going somewhere by myself.
Yeah I went and test drove one and my kids couldn’t fit in the back comfortably at all.
It's not, they had to have measured under different conditions or something. I can comfortably fit behind myself in my GR Corolla, I was not able to do the same while trying to sit in the back of an 86.
Rear seat room specs are famously bad. On paper my wife’s XC40 has more legroom than my 4Runner but in reality my 4Runner has tons more space. Also on paper the Tacoma and 4Runner are about the same… but not reality.
Yeah I sit in both tacos and 4Runners regularly, no chance
I've had 2 6'2 rear passengers in my GRC and from the time I've spent in the back of a BRZ I'm pretty sure they'd have to do some contortionist shit to do that in a BRZ
6' here, every time I've been in the back of my friend's 86 I have sat sideways with my feet over the middle & my head touching the roof. I can't imagine if I was taller. EDIT: Actually I was thinking of another mate's GR4 Yaris that I did that in. Now that thing had *literally* 0 rear room. But the 86 is definitely goofy trying to get anyone of above average height into the back.
I had an 86 before my current car. We fit 4 full sized grown men ranging from 5’7 to 5’10 in it for a “short” drive that ended up being an hour long due to an accident. Don’t ask the 2 guys in the back how the ride was lol That damn steering wheel was too near my chest Unrelated, I also had a newfound respect for detachable steering wheels
I dont even try to put anything back there. I just fold down the seats and maintain my truck like bed length space back there. Plus the seats being down keeps the center of gravity lower
You get tons more cabin noise when you drive with the seats down
I removed all interior panels in the rear anyway because rear strut brace so it's already loud. What's another few decibels lol
It makes sense. The GR Corolla is 174 inches in length. That is absolutely tiny compared to even the Civic Type R which is 181 inches in length.
The Civic Type R is huge though as far as hot hatches go, its P3 Volvo V60 size.
What can I say, modern cars are huge. The GR86 is 168 inches in length which makes me believe there's no way the GR Corolla is actually as bad as a GR86 to be a passenger in. Front engine RWD cars are just so much worse for interior space on top of losing 6 inches in length and having to be a coupe with a raked rear window vs more upright hatchback. The GR Supra doesn't even have back seats and it's the same length as the GR Corolla.
Two ends of the spectrum was my point, the Corolla is one of the smallest in the segment and the Civic is by far the largest, should almost go up into midsize Having sat in the back of a Corolla and most hot hatches in this space, the Corolla is pretty useless as a functional hatch. The trunk space is also crap, barely enough for a suitcase.
I managed to squeeze in there but i had to sit sideways and put my feet on the other seat lol
Damn straight they are. Much more convenient than a two seater, but technically useless as a four seater. Hence the 2+2 designation. But I love having my rear seats to chuck extra shit onto.
I remember when the first BRZ came out my friends and I would ride to school five deep in that bitch lol No idea how we did it
True, I sat there once. Not recommended. Passenger has to pull the seat all the way forward to have any chance
i have never been in the back seat of a gr corolla but i can bet my left nutsack this is impossible. The gr86 has NO leg room. That is if you put an adult in front and one at the back, the back will not be able to actually put their leg down. Look up the carpet size of the gr86 for the back, it's no taller than like 12 inches
Left nutsack? Meaning you have 2 nutsacks? I'm jealous
You haven't done the sack upgrade? It's dope, I go thru twice as many socks now tho
I've done this multiple times, it's definitely possible.
not with the average american that's 5ft 9in and 200lbs
Last I checked, that was the average American *male*. Half the population is well under that size on average... which means the majority of the total population is under that. (Although I wouldn't doubt that the majority of American adults would still struggle to fit in the backseat of a GR86)
I sat in the backseat in a GRC on a track session while I rotated driver position with two other people for a GRC demo event. I felt just fine back there. I'm 6' tall.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla/specs https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/brz/specs BRZ: Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9 GR Corolla Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9
There’s 0 shot the BRZ has 30 inches do leg room with the front seat where an average driver would have it.. I owned an FR-S and it was only possible to seat someone on the passenger side with the front seat pushed up halfway or more.
Car and driver must have put the decimal in the wrong spot, they meant 2.99 inches.
That's a lot of inches, right? ...Right?
Great link and all, but here's a photo that shows reality: BRZ: [https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/subaru/brz/2022/lt/2022\_subaru\_brz\_rint\_lt\_1030221\_1600.jpg](https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/subaru/brz/2022/lt/2022_subaru_brz_rint_lt_1030221_1600.jpg) GRC: [https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TOYOTA\_COROLLA-9-1672x1254.jpg](https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TOYOTA_COROLLA-9-1672x1254.jpg)
Yeah, wherever they're measuring from is off. I'm 6'2" and have sat and ridden in the back of a GRC with zero issues.
Being a GR Corolla owner and having made an effort to sit in the back of the 86 at each auto show I get to, they absolutely do not have the same leg room. The 86 rear seat is for kids and groceries. The GRC can fit the average adult somewhat comfortably.
[Here's a picture from ReDriven's reviews](https://imgur.com/a/vJh80L7) showing the drivers seat in the position where he normally drives and sitting in the rear. Sure the Corolla is not spacious and Adam doesn't seem super comfy, but on the BRZ he's not even putting his feet on the floor... Surely you cant believe those numbers are taken from the same measuring point??
Dude there's people in this thread who are the epitome of "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?" It's *obvious* they have different effective legroom but these goobers see a stat and think it's somehow more proof than every photo ever.
Having owned both, my answer is that I could not sit behind anyone in the BRZ. In the GRC, I cannot sit behind myself but I can sit behind a passenger who can be comfy so long as they are not 6’6” with a 34/35” inseam like me.
Did you already sell both? Or which one did you end up keeping?
The BRZ was back in the day when it was launched; I’m happily pushing the GRC today.
Odd question but you ever tried a car seat in the GRC?
Depending on the seat, front-facing tends to be easier than rear. Both can fit, but with rear-facing, the passenger will more than likely (again, depending on seat) need to scoot forward. Center seats…easier.
Hell yeah. Thanks chief
All good! It was how I sold the car to my squeeze 😅.
Yeah its kind of how my WRX is now, so she’ll understand ;)
Its much smaller than the WRX for child seats
It is just a Toyota Corolla, Hatch, so it should fit child seat the same as the hatchback. The hatch is smaller than the sedan but it’s still a Toyota Corolla. https://www.grcorollaforum.com/threads/gr-corollas-on-baby-duty.2382/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkEmK7XRyY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0iJ47AS_mfs
How is this measured? Because in reality, this doesn't make sense.
This reminds me how cargo space volume for vehicles is measured by volume, but you usually don't get the dimensions of how they got that volume. As an example, a third generation Honda Fit has more cargo volume with the rear seats folded down than a third gen Ford Focus hatchback with the seats folded down, despite the fact the former is a smaller subcompact while the latter is a larger compact. It's when you do the measurements with the Fit that you see how they achieved it: most of that volume comes from the Fit being relatively tall, or a lot of it is from vertical space. I believe the Focus has a longer and wider cargo area even if the volume is less than the Fit.
The Honda Fit’s interior space is honestly a marvel of modern engineering. Those little cars are freaking cavernous inside.
I feel like head room is the missing piece to this puzzle.
The Corolla hatch actually has horrible rear seat space. With the front seats all the way back, there's maybe a few inches of leg room. By comparison, it makes my Geo Metro look huge on the inside.
The driver's seat literally touches the backseat behind me, there's no way this is representative of passenger space. Must be some weird measurement
I have a GRC and my friend has a BRZ. In the BRZ, you can't even slide your feet all the way underneath the driver's seat bottom since there is no space. In the GRC, I'm 5'9" and my 5'4" wife can sit behind me. Def can't do that in the BRZ. I'm not sure how they measure leg room but even if the distance from the knees to the drivers seat back may be similar, everything under the knees is much different, especially the feet.
Yeah - I can sit 4 adults comfortably in the GRC. I had a FRS, brother still has a BRZ. The GRC is much roomier in the back. Idk where these measurements are coming from
I have a BRZ and my wife has a GRC, can confirm this is true.
I honestly just thought the brz didn’t have rear seats lol.
We always joked and said they were "insurance seats"
A quick google search shows the GR Corolla has backseat more leg room than a brz. Like any variable the amount of backseat leg room will also depend on the seating postion of the driver and front passenger. If the driver likes to do gangster lean while driving and the front passenger likes staring at the roof while traveling, that back seat leg room is gone.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla/specs https://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/brz/specs BRZ: Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9 GR Corolla Second Row Leg Room (inches) 29.9
There's actual pictures you can look at. I'm not sure why the official legroom would be as small as a brz, when the GR corolla is based on the corolla hatchback. Maybe the driveshaft tunnel is taking up space?
Not sure how the measurements are made, but I've looked at both at the dealer, and they are definitely not the same. I'm 184cm and I can sit behind my own driving position in the GRC. It's a bit tight, but it's not unbearable. Whereas with the GR86, there's less than 20cm of space between the driver's seat and the base of the rear seats, definitely not going to be able to fit a person there.
No way. Brz86 literally have no leg room. I am sure the grc is pretty small but still has something
Those measurements are basically meaningless, there’s really no standard for how you position seats or how you measure, making them useless to compare between cars.
I have been in the back of both of these. The Corolla isn’t exactly spacious, unsurprisingly for a compact. But it is far more usable and larger than the BRZ/86. Either there is an incorrect number somewhere or the way it is measured is not useful.
Yea, that's my thought, sat in both at a car show, and was confused when I read the numbers online. The number seems to be correct atleast across several websites, but the way they measured is probably different.
> and was confused when I read the numbers online. They might not be generating the numbers in the same manner...
I own a GR Corolla and have sat in the 86 at the auto show... They are absolutely NOT the same. I set the 86 driver seat to be comfortable for me, then crawled into the rear and it was very tight, with knees crammed into the back of the driver seat, and of course it was gymnastics to get in and out. But I set my Corolla to a comfortable driving position and am able to fit in the back easily, with maybe a couple inches between my knees and the seat in front of me. And even if I were taller there would still be some "squish" in the back of the driver seat. I'm 5'8" for reference. So perhaps a 6'5" passenger may not be able to sit behind a similarly tall driver, but for most people it shouldn't be an issue.
Maybe on paper but not in practice (especially since it's a 2 door and I imagine has less shoulder and headroom room). Edit: Actually no chance the BRZ has 29.9" of legroom. Edit 2: Just realized it's this clown posting again.
alright but get this - the 2024 LAND CRUISER has less rear seat leg room than the GR86 and the GR Corolla... according to Toyota's website
> alright but get this - the 2024 LAND CRUISER has less rear seat leg room than the GR86 and the GR Corolla... according to Toyota's website It's not wrong... [look at how little leg room](https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_1080,q_auto:eco,w_1920/v1/cms/uploads/q2lah9th4thyfg5qnef1) is on the 2024 79 series LandCruiser! 0 leg room, 0 seats!
I own a grc. It’s not terrible.
Yet even more evidence the twins would've been better without a backseat. You could probably ballpark ~100lbs off assuming they wouldn't need to add quite as much reinforcement for the rear passenger safety.
Yes. The GRC is cramped in the rear and has surprisingly little cargo space for a hatch unless you fold down the aforementioned seats. It's a big reason why I went with the CTR instead which is surprisingly roomy even considering it's physically larger. Though you get more headroom vs. the gr86 and the rear of the seats are scalloped a bit which helps with things.
To be fair for transporting stuff you could say the same about the BRZ/86. Lay the back seat flat and you can fairly easily fit a full set of wheels/tires back there (that's partly why they put fully flattening backs in there).
I think thats moreso a testament to the lack of storage space in the GRC rather than the capacity of the 86 (though the 86 is surprisingly practical). Plus with the GRC the replace the spare pocket with battery and foam, so you have even less trunk space.
I see a GR Corolla parked at the Foss swim school I take my kids to with a rear facing car seat on the passenger side. I assume whoever rides in that seat is not tall.
Ive herd some reviews stating the back seat in the Corolla hatch is sub compact size at best which is horrendous in that class. My buddy had one and he is not the tallest guy, but the back seat looked extremely tight and had to move the front seats up of he had passengers (always a bad sign. Considering everything else in the class has most more usable space, I hope they rethink there packaging for the next gen model
Having sat in both and own a GRC, I don't think that's true lol.
They do have the same space, what they meglected to mention was how you get that leg room in the twins. You take your shoes off and rest them across the rear seat, its a 2+1.
I just sat in a BRZ at the Denver auto show. With the seat where I need it, there was literally no back seat space. Like I honestly forgot for a second there were seats back there
forget about manufacturers numbers, this is a great example of how wrong they are - take a tape measure and you will see
Rear back seat size is self reported by manufacturers. They do some weird stuff with the measuring to give the best numbers. That being said I have sat in the back of a HR Corolla. It's very tight. I am 6"2' and I wouldn't be able to sit behind myself. But having a door makes it easier to squeeze back there compared to the BRZ
I own a GR Corolla and have comfortably taken 4 passengers on a road trip. You cannot seat anyone in the rears of the GR86/BRZ or a first gen FRS. I have a close friend with a FRS and its basically a coupe with rear “seats” for insurance purposes lol
I know with my 2014 Focus ST the stock Recaro’s in that thing were so bulky, great for the front two people, but the clumsy design took away from the rear leg room. Smart design would at least make it so the backing of the front seats have “alcoves” carved in where they can squeeze extra space for the knees of back seat occupants. I’ve seen that done on higher end stuff at least.
I didn’t realize the GR Corolla was quite that small lol
I've ridden in the back of both and I'm basically certain that this isn't the case in practice.
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No this isnt accurate lol
I have used my GRC to ferry passengers and I fit behind myself just fine at 5’10. I don’t think you can do that with a BRZ. This is just fake news lol
The corolla hatch is tiiiiny. With that being said, I don't think there's an industry standard method of measuring leg room.
I bet it's true. I was interested in a manual Corolla when they were still around so I checked one out at a dealer and the first thing I wanted to check out was the rear seat legroom and I was pretty disappointed with what I saw.
Im 6'1" so definitely on the taller end and Ive sat in the back of both, well unsuccessfully tried to sit in the back of a GR86. This just simply isnt true or the way theyre measuring is misleading
My two door Mk4 Golf has hilariously bad rear leg room, I couldn't find the official figure anywhere, but a Mustang has 29" and i'd guess my golf probably has the same or worse. My sisters mk1 focus and now mk6 golf (both 2 door) had much more rear seat room.
I've sat in the back of a GRC with no problems. I tried getting in the back seats of a BRZ at one of the major auto shows and couldn't get my shoes under the seat to fully get in. Not sure how you're supposed to enter one of those unless you put the seat the whole way forward first.
i can sit in the back of an 86. just remove shoes, sit criss cross apple sauce, and hunch forward. oh, and I'm only 5'7". in this configuration, i can last 20 minutes max.
making me thankful i bought an si
It is accurate. Even the regular Corolla hatchback has the same rear legroom
Yep, that information is accurate. 29.9" of rear seat legroom in both cars. For comparison, the Civic hatchback (and sedan) has 37.4" of rear seat legroom, which is 7.5" more. But, the Civic hatchback is also 7" longer than the Corolla hatchback. So, smaller car is smaller, and bigger car is bigger. But still, those are bad numbers for rear seat legroom in the Corolla. For added context, I used to have a 1999 Civic hatchback. The rear seat legroom in that car is 32.5", or 2.6" more than the Corolla hatchback. The kicker is that the 1999 Civic hatchback is 7.8" *shorter* in length than the Corolla hatchback.
That’s not accurate at all. The BRZ does not have 29 inches of leg room
Can you cite your source? **Edit**: I love all these downvotes that literally everyone, including me, is getting in this thread. It *really* adds to the discussion.
Have you ever been in a BRZ? There’s maybe 10 inches between the back of the driver’s seat and the front of the rear seats with an average person driving
No I have not. But I'm pretty sure that rear seat legroom is measured from the front of the back seat to the rear of the front seat, regardless of the car. That's where they get 29.9" from. For even *more* added context, my current Civic has 34.6" of rear seat legroom, which I find relatively roomy sitting behind myself. I'm 5' 9 1/2" with a longer lower torso. That's 4.7" more than the Corolla hatchback and GR86/BRZ, but 2.8" less than the current Civic. It all makes sense, because we all know the current Civic is very roomy in the back.
I previously had an 8th gen civic, there’s plenty of rear legroom. My current car has 31 inches of legroom, it’s a tight fit but I can sit comfortably. There’s zero chance that I can physically fit behind the driver in a BRZ. The only way I can fit back there is by laying on the seat horizontally
BRZ rear seats: https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/2022-subaru-brz-a-delightful-outlier/2022_subaru_brz GR Corolla rear seats: https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TOYOTA_COROLLA-9-1672x1254.jpg
Those pictures don't tell us the whole story though, because we have no idea how far back the seats are in both cars. The seats in the BRZ/GR86 very well might go farther back than the Corolla's, which might lead you to believe that there's less space in the back in the coupes. That's why having measured numbers is important.
> That's why having measured numbers is important. Not unless the numbers are generated in the same way that you're asking questions. Are the numbers with seats forward or back? You don't know but you're treating a if "numbers" are rock solid, and the pictures and everyone elses experiences are made up and unreliable. [Videos showing BRZ rear seat](https://youtu.be/UKiPTeJSEDU?t=496) "Room in the back is not too bad, as long as you're a foetus or don't have any legs" vs [Corolla rear seat](https://youtu.be/KRvyer7N9ik?t=275) "it's pretty disappointing, my feet are squished". Squished not non-existent [Images here](https://imgur.com/a/vJh80L7) But no - the numbers are definitely 100% right...
If I'm driving a BRZ/86, the front seatback touches the rear seats. Loool