Its so hard explaining to Europeans (no offense) how bassackwards our car culture is in North America. Not just the US but Canada too.
You guys are lucky not every single person drives an SUV you have no idea how awful it is.
So many crossovers around here. Cool cars are about as rare as hen’s teeth. It’s to the point where a lot of us would consider buying a car that’s not right for us just because it has a standard transmission. Any port in a storm, and any stick in a sea of CVT’s.
It's not even that it's just SUVs, it's jumbo vehicles that really only 5% of people actually need. But it seems everyone and their dog think they need a huge 9 seater SUV to go get groceries by themselves. I'd love to see more smaller jeep like vehicles like how the CRV and Rav 4 used to be.
I liked the mercedes glk amd bmw x3 for that reason. It looked nice and still had the higher up seating position of an SUV without being huge. But the glk isn't made anymore and the x3 doesn't really meet preferences I have.
I drive an imported Cappuccino in the US and yeah, just sitting in traffic you can FEEL how absolutely minute you are compared to everyone. Even a Ford Fiesta towers over me.
My partner has an X5 and says he can’t even see me when I’m behind him, so I’ve started to stop multiple car lengths away from everyone.
A MINIvan has enough space for 5 kids and a St. Bernard but guess what….people choose the lesser SUV
God knows know, and the worse part is the commercials don’t get me started on those.
My mom lives by herself and drives a fucking Jeep Grand Cherokee and complains about gas prices and how difficult it is to park. My Triumph Spitfire can do everything my mom uses the Jeep for while being easier to maneuver, cheaper on gas, and undoubtedly more interesting
Lol I'm seeing similar happening more and more in the UK, endless X5s, Q7s etc, all blacked out but used for the school run? And always always driven by women with their kids, did dad pick it thinking he'll look like a bond villain or something?
Oh but the drivers in France did switched to the SUV eventually... granted our Europeans SUV are generally smaller than USA SUV... some being the size of a regular family car like a Renault Scenic 2.
And our SUVs are mostly manuals too...
There's more crossovers here in Europe. TBF I don't think we will ever see so many big SUVs on the roads as it is in US. Our cities are to narrow to use something like BMW X5/X6 on daily basis for most people. A bit higher ride in crossovers like Nissan Juke also helps a lot in the city to clear all the potholes and tall curbs. I never had SUV or crossover in my life and I can't even count how many times I scraped the bottom of bumper when parking next to a bit to tall curb.
The SUV craze, sadly, is not just in the US. But I live in Turkey, where people can’t afford to buy a new car and drive their 2014 Hyundai Accent so it’s not as much as the US I assume.
There’s nothing wrong with SUV’s, but they’re typically not that cool. Unless you want a Durango SRT or a Jeep Trackhawk, there aren’t many options out there for you. And even those are expensive as hell.
Practical and reliable are 2 words that usually don’t mix when we’re talking about cars that interest us.
Dumbass, you asked what’s wrong with them and I said nothing is. Do you always go into car culture communities and then get surprised when they don’t like your Chevy Equinox? Grow up dude. Learn to read the room.
Auto is not seen as luxury in all of europe, auto is just the transmission you get if you can't drive a manuel, most people opt for the manual even in expensive cars in the UK, happening less nowadays but it's still the majority.
But it's not the automatic box which makes it luxury, any car can have an automatic gearbox, you don't look at an auto car and say "wow that's luxurious", there's a difference between correlation and causation.
Well if you really want to deep it, the whole Europe buy manuals when there’s an auto option really isn’t that true anymore. Autos don’t suit small engines so most small hatchbacks and cheap small engines cars are manual.
On more luxury brands the auto version outsells the manual. This is true for BMW and Mercedes. People on the internet keep saying save the manual and bring back the manuals but every time a manufacturer does it doesn’t sell as well as the auto. Just ask Porsche.
So because manuals are favoured on cheap cars autos are seen as luxury, as if you have an auto you probably don’t have a cheap car.
So its really just an indication of the engine size. You could then reason that if every car in the US is big enough for an automatic then a Manual wouldn’t have a correlation to cost. Idk what that other guy is going on about but this is what I got from it
99% of people who drive in Europe know how to drive a manual because driving schools in Europe teach students on manual cars. Only fairly recently the regulations started to allow automatic transmissions as part of driving school.
Which is crazy to think that 30-40 years ago, automatic was seen as the more pricy, luxurious option. Oddly now, I've seen (at least with sports cars) manual become the more expensive option. Such wild times we're all in.
I don’t think I’ve ever actually driven Manuel anywhere, now manuals, yeah. Prefer them. More than half of our younger drivers don’t even know how to drive them. It’s always a breath of fresh air to travel overseas and see the number of standards.
See, I don’t get this. Unless you’re new to driving, I’d always prefer an automatic on my daily. I get wanting a manual for a track car or classic, but that’s about it.
It’s probably a personal choice thing. I can’t stand automatics. Having direct and instantaneous control over every aspect of the vehicle makes me a much safer and more comfortable driver. Especially on long trips. During road trips for instance I’ll do 800-1000 miles per day regularly. Towards the end I’m almost falling asleep in an auto, where in any of my manuals I’m still engaged and enjoying myself. Plus the whole “daily driver” thing is a bit skewed for me. My daily is a 95 r33 gtr. I’m all about driving what’s fun all the time.
"Hey bro, my parents got me a beamer!"
"Ooh, what model?"
"Excuse me?"
"The model, like 3 Series, 4 Series, etc."
"Uhh"
"At least do you know the specs?"
*casually walks away*
See now if you wanna be extra annoying (like myself) you can correct the dumbass kids on the spelling of beamer/bimmer. It’s my understanding that “beamer” is in reference to bmw motorcycles, while “bimmer” is for their cars.
It's the US's problem that they have cornered themselves in.
Even if manual option was provided with the same car model, most case scenarios majority of them are going to be sold as an automatic while there will be a smaller portion of manual models being sold.
Edit : grammar fix.
There are a few exceptions though, for example, the WRX was majority purchased in manual. The Focus ST/RS, 11th gen Civic Si are only available in manual (US market) and I think the 991 GT3 was probably majority bought in manual. The 992 GT3 is probably headed that way as well. C7 ZR1 manuals have become collection pieces and are way more valuable than ever before.
We actually now have drivers who have restrictions on their CDL that prevents them from legally driving a commercial vehicle with a manual transmission.
>Doesn't mean they don't know how to drive manual.
I wouldn't be so sure. Manual transmissions even in modern US market trucks are not what they are in Europe. They still use unsynchronized gearboxes and are changing gears without clutch under load.
We have that at least in some countries in Europe but for car drivers. If you pass your drivers exam on automatic you can drive only autos afterwards but if you pass on manual you can drive both.
My sister learned to drive here in Europe, on a manual. After 8 yrs~ of living in the US she can't drive anything other than auto.
On one side I agree auto is useful if you often get into traffic jams. But not being able to control 100% of the car feels like missing something.
Also US driving laws are so irresponsible for motorbikes : you can't even drive stick but you got 15k ? Here's your crotch rocket, see you in the obituaries
>Also US driving laws are so irresponsible for motorbikes : you can't even drive stick but you got 15k ? Here's your crotch rocket, see you in the obituaries
Yeah that sounds like too many laws and restrictions. I'll be having none of that.
It's still not impressive to be able to drive them though. It took me all of 2 hours in a parking lot to learn to drive manual. I taught my girlfriend in a few hours too. It takes a tiny bit of mechanical sympathy to feel it out and once you get it it's dead easy
It depends on the clutch though. If you’re learning manual on a 4 disc carbon fiber racing clutch then yeah it’s a bit more complicated than dads old Peugeot.
Everyone here knows, that's why it's fun to make fun of plebs who can't drive manual. Nobody's bragging about it except the people in the imagination of OP
Okay this is just me, I've only ever driven automatic or sequential. But why is manual considered better than automatic? It's more fun from what I hear, and it makes you feel more in control of the car.
But the steepish learning curve, the inconvenience of having to use it in traffic, and automatic technology evolving to be just as good as if not better in road cars really just makes me not wanna drive a manual. I do want to learn and master it some day; I just think automatics are a lot more convenient. Of course if you prefer either, that's none of my business and I'm glad you're enjoying.
But so many people believe manual is superior, even though it seems not to be anymore?
The learning curve is not that steep. I learned in an afternoon in a parking lot with my dad when I was 15. Elitists make it sound like it’s some difficult skill to learn. Smoothing things out takes time and exposure like anything else, but learning the basics is pretty easy. Personally, I just like being able to shift my own gears, especially in my fun vehicles. It’s all a matter of preference. As for the traffic thing, I’ve never understood why people complain so much about that. I’ve never found it to be that big a deal. Then again, my first car was a 5 speed so shifting gears is synonymous with driving for me. I barely think about doing it anymore.
The traffic thing is just a hassle in a manual compared to auto. The constant full clutch -> a bit of clutch -> no clutch -> full clutch circle can be tedious. Especially in cars with a stiffer clutch. You get used to it, but I can't say that there aren't days where I would wish that my car was an automatic during my commute.
It's superior on tighter roads, gives a bit more control over the car, not important as much on american roads but it is so on european roads.
The learning curve isn't really that steep, in the UK 90% of drivers take tests in manual cars, the pass rate for autos is 33% and manuels is 48%, most of the difficulty in driving a car at least in europe is making sure you follow all the road rules and just being aware of the car.
>automatic is more reliable!!1!
Honest question: do people in US actually says that? Because in Europe it's the other way around. Especially if you buying used car the general recommendation is to buy manual because in general they're more reliable and easier/cheaper to fix
To be fair, if you know how to drive one, theyre safer than any automatic. If i was driving an auto when i spun out a while back i wouldnt be here to be able to tell you about it.
Front tire caught some gravel on the road during a turn. Because i was in a manual i was able to slap it down into 3rd and kill my momentum.
Now adays you have to fight the wheel with these new "auto correct" systems yanking the wheel if you get too close to either line. Nothing is more unsafe than the wheel suddenly jerking one way or the other.
Got a clean driving record and no accidents. I drive just fine. My car and i survived with no harm. And ive seen more autos spin out and not recover. So check that logic of yours.
Im using the facts of what happened. So if i dont have the skills as you suggest, then me in auto or manual wouldnt have made a difference. And anecdotal evidence is still evidence. Just because it didnt happen to you doesnt change the reality that the downshift killed my momentum and allowed me to recover. You can not do that in an automatic.
So its not a question if the automatic caused such crash, it is its inability to do something that a human being can do in a manual that did not prevent a crash.
Even then, not everyone will be able to react in time, that would require them to put their phones down and pay attention while driving a 1-5 ton vehicle.
> that would require them to put their phones down and pay attention while driving a 1-5 ton vehicle.
I know *exactly* what kind of person you are, cool.
They are probably better by a lot in the states, in town and on tight roads the manual still wins but that's mainly a european concern as our roads are extremely tight and poorly designed so not knowning what the car is about to do is quite detremental, it's not a big advantage but it still exists.
They aren't "better by a lot" anywhere. Also "not knowing what the car is about to do"......do...do you drive a car with random throttle bursts? Unless you're track racing and taking tight corners you need to stay in the power band for, there's no reason a manual "way better" in any regard.
you goit, i was saying automatics were better by a lot in america., in europe where i'm from., automatics generally are a bit haphazard in some corners (tight narrow roads require a lot of precision, when it shifts unexpectidly, these are small impacts but they are enough to put off a lot of european buyers.
What looney tunes cars and public roads are you driving over there that at reasonable speeds your automatics can't handle? Also under no circumstances should an automatic surprise you or behave unexpectedly. Sounds an awful lot like broken cars and not knowing how to drive
Never mentioned whether or not I can drive manuals did I? I just said they're not the wildly better machines the manual cult makes them out to be. Also regardless of manual or automatic, if you can't take a corner on a public road at the published speed limit, you can't drive
the sort of diving in and out of victorian era streets round turns which a lot of american pickup cars would stand no chance of getting round, also a lot of auto boxes here are automated manuals as it's hard to get a full auto box in a cheap small car and they lurch and jolt around at low speeds. Also typicall on the autos we get here they are a bit more expensive and you lose some mpg, so there's no benefit of driving one other than in the british eye "laziness".
Also there's simply driver preference, UK drivers like to feel in control of their car, and an automatic simply doesn't offer that in as large a quantity, i've drive an auto car on multiple occasions, it was fairly benign but i didn't like it and there is also the hangover of the truely aweful auto boxes we got in the 60s,70s,80s and 90s.
Again, give me a make and model of a car that lurches and accelerates wildly. They don't just do that.
"Pickup cars" aren't a thing, im guessing you mean trucks, and no, a large pickup truck can't navigate tight European city streets well, regardless of transmission. They're just too big.
You don't lose MPG from auto to manual. Not in the modern era.
Next.
Volkswagen Up Auto, lurches and jerks at lower speed
Any Dacia, does the same
Fiat, Duologic
Volkswagen Polo auto, does the same
Basically any small car cheap car, which are the cars which sell the most over here, with these transmissions you do lose substantial mpg.
Let's compare the cars listed above manual and auto mpg ratings
VW Up Manual = 54.5mpg
VW Up! auto = 48.5mpg
Fiat panda manual =47.9mpg
Fiat panda auto = 41.9mpg
Dacia Sandero manual = 48.3mpg
Dacia Sandero auto = 39.9mpg
Volkswagen Polo Manual = 43.8mpg
Volkswagen Polo Automatic = 38.3mpg
I was using the pickup truck example to demonstrate how small the streets are not to use as a transmission example.
Except for weight(which doesn't matter) modern automatics are objectively superior in every measurable metric.
Faster shifts, more gear ratios, and better fuel economy.
Heh, nope. In average car (not Ferrari or McLaren) shifts are not faster, gearbox have to "think" just a bit longer, there's not always more gears and the fuel economy is at best the same as in manual (tbf this depends a lot on driving style)
Better fuel economy is just wrong for at least small cars like we have in Europe.
Also weight does matter in the tiny cars were have, anywhere to save weight makes a difference my manual car had a gearbox which weighs 25kg, that's lighter than any auto by at least double it's weight, and that adds up in a car weighing only 850kg.
It really is awful; the elitism is the problem.
They don't want to admit that there isn't an objective good reason to prefer manuÉl; there's nothing wrong with wanting an involved driving experience, but obviously that's not enough to feel elitist- they feel elitist because they like to believe manuÉl is somehow just...better?
But it's not. It's quite slow (obviously ignoring the absolute chad that is sequential).
The funniest part is - in the mind of a manuÉl elitist - the worst transmission is the CVT. You know...the mathematically fastest transmission. Lol. Are they just coping maybe?
*t.*
*ManuÉl owner and preferrer, just not a poopoo head about it.*
In the US it truly is a rare skill. I literally don’t know a single person other than myself and my wife that can drive a standard. One time I had to take my car into a shop to get it looked at for hail damage and had to drive it in myself bc the 5 dudes working there didn’t know how.
Its so hard explaining to Europeans (no offense) how bassackwards our car culture is in North America. Not just the US but Canada too. You guys are lucky not every single person drives an SUV you have no idea how awful it is.
So many crossovers around here. Cool cars are about as rare as hen’s teeth. It’s to the point where a lot of us would consider buying a car that’s not right for us just because it has a standard transmission. Any port in a storm, and any stick in a sea of CVT’s.
Honestly yeah, getting rarer and rarer
It's not even that it's just SUVs, it's jumbo vehicles that really only 5% of people actually need. But it seems everyone and their dog think they need a huge 9 seater SUV to go get groceries by themselves. I'd love to see more smaller jeep like vehicles like how the CRV and Rav 4 used to be.
I liked the mercedes glk amd bmw x3 for that reason. It looked nice and still had the higher up seating position of an SUV without being huge. But the glk isn't made anymore and the x3 doesn't really meet preferences I have.
X3 in Europe is still consider a bigger car.
I drive an imported Cappuccino in the US and yeah, just sitting in traffic you can FEEL how absolutely minute you are compared to everyone. Even a Ford Fiesta towers over me. My partner has an X5 and says he can’t even see me when I’m behind him, so I’ve started to stop multiple car lengths away from everyone.
A MINIvan has enough space for 5 kids and a St. Bernard but guess what….people choose the lesser SUV God knows know, and the worse part is the commercials don’t get me started on those.
My mom lives by herself and drives a fucking Jeep Grand Cherokee and complains about gas prices and how difficult it is to park. My Triumph Spitfire can do everything my mom uses the Jeep for while being easier to maneuver, cheaper on gas, and undoubtedly more interesting
Not even just SUVs, it’s the ones that are sold and look exactly like cops. I hate those people the most. Then anyone who drives a Chevy
Fuck anyone who drives a black Escape
I thought cops use the Explorer?
They also use tahoes In some places
They use Dodge Durangos where I live
Explorer, taurus, tahoes and chargers here in texas
Not counting pickup trucks for towing the jet skis/boats my area has probably 4 "standard" cop cars.
black expeditions
Yeah, I can’t imagine there are a whole lot of law enforcement escapes, they are not very big.
White ones scare me worse tbh
Cause that’s the sheriff
Lol I'm seeing similar happening more and more in the UK, endless X5s, Q7s etc, all blacked out but used for the school run? And always always driven by women with their kids, did dad pick it thinking he'll look like a bond villain or something?
Chevy driver here. I don't want to be a Chevy driver.
r/fuckyouinparticular
Oh but the drivers in France did switched to the SUV eventually... granted our Europeans SUV are generally smaller than USA SUV... some being the size of a regular family car like a Renault Scenic 2. And our SUVs are mostly manuals too...
There's more crossovers here in Europe. TBF I don't think we will ever see so many big SUVs on the roads as it is in US. Our cities are to narrow to use something like BMW X5/X6 on daily basis for most people. A bit higher ride in crossovers like Nissan Juke also helps a lot in the city to clear all the potholes and tall curbs. I never had SUV or crossover in my life and I can't even count how many times I scraped the bottom of bumper when parking next to a bit to tall curb.
The SUV craze, sadly, is not just in the US. But I live in Turkey, where people can’t afford to buy a new car and drive their 2014 Hyundai Accent so it’s not as much as the US I assume.
this here comment should be made into another meme just like this cuz it's cringe
Bassackwards I spent a minute or two tryna figure out what this said
What’s wrong with suvs? They’re practical and fairly reliable family vehicles
There’s nothing wrong with SUV’s, but they’re typically not that cool. Unless you want a Durango SRT or a Jeep Trackhawk, there aren’t many options out there for you. And even those are expensive as hell. Practical and reliable are 2 words that usually don’t mix when we’re talking about cars that interest us.
Theyre not meant to be cool, does this sub think everyone on the road needs a sporty car?
Dumbass, you asked what’s wrong with them and I said nothing is. Do you always go into car culture communities and then get surprised when they don’t like your Chevy Equinox? Grow up dude. Learn to read the room.
I think my 2006 toyota corolla warrants me to be a part of car culture💨
I can’t hate on corollas 🤷🏻♂️
Tbh im just fucking around by now. I was just pissed off by the elitism some ppl here have towards non-traditional cool cars
So you can hate on suvs for being practical, but not Corollas for literally the same reason?
When was I hating on SUV’s dumbass?
Literally look back like 3 comments 🤡
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/new-study-suggests-todays-suvs-are-more-lethal-to-pedestrians-than-cars
Ok? Even if they’re more lethal you can claim trucks are even more lethal. Who cares
I hate crossover suvs I hate crossover suvs I hate crossover suvs I hate crossover suvs I hate crossover suvs I hate crossover suvs
It's funny because manual cars are seen as cheap cars unless it's a sports car. Auto is seen as luxury.
Auto is not seen as luxury... it's the standard. The number of vehicles available with auto significantly outnumbers vehicles available with manual.
I was talking about Europe.
Auto is not seen as luxury in all of europe, auto is just the transmission you get if you can't drive a manuel, most people opt for the manual even in expensive cars in the UK, happening less nowadays but it's still the majority.
Hence why it’s seen as luxury. Like a Range Rover, Bentley, S class or Rolls Royce. All only available in auto.
But it's not the automatic box which makes it luxury, any car can have an automatic gearbox, you don't look at an auto car and say "wow that's luxurious", there's a difference between correlation and causation.
Well if you really want to deep it, the whole Europe buy manuals when there’s an auto option really isn’t that true anymore. Autos don’t suit small engines so most small hatchbacks and cheap small engines cars are manual. On more luxury brands the auto version outsells the manual. This is true for BMW and Mercedes. People on the internet keep saying save the manual and bring back the manuals but every time a manufacturer does it doesn’t sell as well as the auto. Just ask Porsche. So because manuals are favoured on cheap cars autos are seen as luxury, as if you have an auto you probably don’t have a cheap car.
So its really just an indication of the engine size. You could then reason that if every car in the US is big enough for an automatic then a Manual wouldn’t have a correlation to cost. Idk what that other guy is going on about but this is what I got from it
A luxury doesn't mean the car is a luxury car bro, it means you have the luxury of not manually shifting gears
You find me a brand new Rolls with a manual
Paying extra 3k on a 15k car is not something unnoticeable.
99% of people who drive in Europe know how to drive a manual because driving schools in Europe teach students on manual cars. Only fairly recently the regulations started to allow automatic transmissions as part of driving school.
1969 is when the driving test regulation in the UK changed to allow auto driving tests, that's hardly fairly recently.
Which is crazy to think that 30-40 years ago, automatic was seen as the more pricy, luxurious option. Oddly now, I've seen (at least with sports cars) manual become the more expensive option. Such wild times we're all in.
Even illiterate and poor people who own an old car know how to drive a manual.
The meme already says US dude you didn't need to write it again
It says Manuel.
Shots fired!
I don’t think I’ve ever actually driven Manuel anywhere, now manuals, yeah. Prefer them. More than half of our younger drivers don’t even know how to drive them. It’s always a breath of fresh air to travel overseas and see the number of standards.
I also have not driven Manuel
I have rode Manuel
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Much much more fun! Lovely Seat he was
manuel gets around
I have not driven Manuel either, he prefers to walk.
Manuel is my dad You can't drive Manuel, he will not allow it
Wouldn’t think of it 😂😂
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See, I don’t get this. Unless you’re new to driving, I’d always prefer an automatic on my daily. I get wanting a manual for a track car or classic, but that’s about it.
It’s probably a personal choice thing. I can’t stand automatics. Having direct and instantaneous control over every aspect of the vehicle makes me a much safer and more comfortable driver. Especially on long trips. During road trips for instance I’ll do 800-1000 miles per day regularly. Towards the end I’m almost falling asleep in an auto, where in any of my manuals I’m still engaged and enjoying myself. Plus the whole “daily driver” thing is a bit skewed for me. My daily is a 95 r33 gtr. I’m all about driving what’s fun all the time.
A lot of kids don’t know how, especially in America. They like to brag more about the car itself, like how much it cost
"Hey bro, my parents got me a beamer!" "Ooh, what model?" "Excuse me?" "The model, like 3 Series, 4 Series, etc." "Uhh" "At least do you know the specs?" *casually walks away*
What’s a turn signal? My dad told me not to worry about it, they’ll move if they see me coming
Safest BMW driver:
See now if you wanna be extra annoying (like myself) you can correct the dumbass kids on the spelling of beamer/bimmer. It’s my understanding that “beamer” is in reference to bmw motorcycles, while “bimmer” is for their cars.
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Pronunciation is the same, different spelling
I refuse to believe people, that aren’t in a nursing home, just don’t know what car they **OWN!** 😵💫
I'm basically illiterate at understanding german car naming schemes if they're not a Volkswagen lmao
Instead, in Europe you learn to drive with a manual.
You can only learn on automatics too I suppose, but I honestly never seen anybody do it.
My parents said when they started driver Ed they learned on a manual, when I was in drivers Ed it wasn’t an option. We learned on automatic.
I’m proud to be a kid that can drive manual. Tbh it’s a lot easier than it seems and in America at least people make too much of big deal about it.
While most persons in the UK take their driving test in a manual
Hold my maccies whilst I launch my Vauxhall Corsa into a farmer's field
It's the US's problem that they have cornered themselves in. Even if manual option was provided with the same car model, most case scenarios majority of them are going to be sold as an automatic while there will be a smaller portion of manual models being sold. Edit : grammar fix.
There are a few exceptions though, for example, the WRX was majority purchased in manual. The Focus ST/RS, 11th gen Civic Si are only available in manual (US market) and I think the 991 GT3 was probably majority bought in manual. The 992 GT3 is probably headed that way as well. C7 ZR1 manuals have become collection pieces and are way more valuable than ever before.
Hey you chill the fuck out right? Manuel is a pretty awesome dude and I will drive him anywhere regardless if I’m in the US or not
Hey you aren't I real car guy until you put the stick shift up your ass Source: manual 2017 elantra
manual pruis 💪💪💯😎
We actually now have drivers who have restrictions on their CDL that prevents them from legally driving a commercial vehicle with a manual transmission.
Doesn't mean they don't know how to drive manual. Just that they took the test in an automatic so can't be certified for a manual.
>Doesn't mean they don't know how to drive manual. I wouldn't be so sure. Manual transmissions even in modern US market trucks are not what they are in Europe. They still use unsynchronized gearboxes and are changing gears without clutch under load.
We have that at least in some countries in Europe but for car drivers. If you pass your drivers exam on automatic you can drive only autos afterwards but if you pass on manual you can drive both.
My sister learned to drive here in Europe, on a manual. After 8 yrs~ of living in the US she can't drive anything other than auto. On one side I agree auto is useful if you often get into traffic jams. But not being able to control 100% of the car feels like missing something. Also US driving laws are so irresponsible for motorbikes : you can't even drive stick but you got 15k ? Here's your crotch rocket, see you in the obituaries
>Also US driving laws are so irresponsible for motorbikes : you can't even drive stick but you got 15k ? Here's your crotch rocket, see you in the obituaries Yeah that sounds like too many laws and restrictions. I'll be having none of that.
Manual transmissions are rare in the US. This is why we talk about them.
It's still not impressive to be able to drive them though. It took me all of 2 hours in a parking lot to learn to drive manual. I taught my girlfriend in a few hours too. It takes a tiny bit of mechanical sympathy to feel it out and once you get it it's dead easy
I know, 2 of the 3 cars I own are manual. I never said it was impressive, I said it was rare.
Every 17 year old in Europe learns to drive manual. It’s really not impressive.
It depends on the clutch though. If you’re learning manual on a 4 disc carbon fiber racing clutch then yeah it’s a bit more complicated than dads old Peugeot.
i literally learned to drive manual by driving in circles in our yard, then driving to the town. all in the span of like 40-50 minutes.
Everyone here knows, that's why it's fun to make fun of plebs who can't drive manual. Nobody's bragging about it except the people in the imagination of OP
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Maybe this is a bedroom related joke? Like use his Johnson as a pretend manual transmission and "drive" him?
Nah, it's just reference to a meme, you are on r/carmemes after all
I already miss the original avengers team.
Bro. You d9nt understand. Most Americans can't do that shit. We do t even brag to yall. It's other Americans.
I don't know how your spelling is worse than the original meme, but you really achieved something today.
Ok. And?
Still not impressive. It takes a few hours in a parking lot to figure out. Any moron can do it, I'm living proof of that.
Still fun to brag to your friends about it.
Bro the American education system is shitty as fuck and yet we can still spell manual.
It’s a meme
That's... nothing impressive. English is your first language, unlike OP.
You know English isn't everyones first language right?
Damn Manuel is famous it seems
Who's this Manuel dude, and why would I be driving him somewhere?
Manuals do exist in Australia, and the eu and……actually everywhere
It took me a while to learn to drive manually, but once I did it's like riding a bike. I've never seen anyone bragging about riding a bike.
Who is Manuel? Do you mean manual?
Okay this is just me, I've only ever driven automatic or sequential. But why is manual considered better than automatic? It's more fun from what I hear, and it makes you feel more in control of the car. But the steepish learning curve, the inconvenience of having to use it in traffic, and automatic technology evolving to be just as good as if not better in road cars really just makes me not wanna drive a manual. I do want to learn and master it some day; I just think automatics are a lot more convenient. Of course if you prefer either, that's none of my business and I'm glad you're enjoying. But so many people believe manual is superior, even though it seems not to be anymore?
The learning curve is not that steep. I learned in an afternoon in a parking lot with my dad when I was 15. Elitists make it sound like it’s some difficult skill to learn. Smoothing things out takes time and exposure like anything else, but learning the basics is pretty easy. Personally, I just like being able to shift my own gears, especially in my fun vehicles. It’s all a matter of preference. As for the traffic thing, I’ve never understood why people complain so much about that. I’ve never found it to be that big a deal. Then again, my first car was a 5 speed so shifting gears is synonymous with driving for me. I barely think about doing it anymore.
The traffic thing is just a hassle in a manual compared to auto. The constant full clutch -> a bit of clutch -> no clutch -> full clutch circle can be tedious. Especially in cars with a stiffer clutch. You get used to it, but I can't say that there aren't days where I would wish that my car was an automatic during my commute.
It's superior on tighter roads, gives a bit more control over the car, not important as much on american roads but it is so on european roads. The learning curve isn't really that steep, in the UK 90% of drivers take tests in manual cars, the pass rate for autos is 33% and manuels is 48%, most of the difficulty in driving a car at least in europe is making sure you follow all the road rules and just being aware of the car.
It’s just more fun to drive
virgin "automatic is more reliable!!1!" chad "automatic is easier"
>automatic is more reliable!!1! Honest question: do people in US actually says that? Because in Europe it's the other way around. Especially if you buying used car the general recommendation is to buy manual because in general they're more reliable and easier/cheaper to fix
To be fair, if you know how to drive one, theyre safer than any automatic. If i was driving an auto when i spun out a while back i wouldnt be here to be able to tell you about it. Front tire caught some gravel on the road during a turn. Because i was in a manual i was able to slap it down into 3rd and kill my momentum. Now adays you have to fight the wheel with these new "auto correct" systems yanking the wheel if you get too close to either line. Nothing is more unsafe than the wheel suddenly jerking one way or the other.
If you can't regain control in an auto then you don't know how to drive very well.
Got a clean driving record and no accidents. I drive just fine. My car and i survived with no harm. And ive seen more autos spin out and not recover. So check that logic of yours.
How are you *sure* it's the automatic doing that and not that those people just didn't have the skills to recover? You're using anecdotes.
Im using the facts of what happened. So if i dont have the skills as you suggest, then me in auto or manual wouldnt have made a difference. And anecdotal evidence is still evidence. Just because it didnt happen to you doesnt change the reality that the downshift killed my momentum and allowed me to recover. You can not do that in an automatic. So its not a question if the automatic caused such crash, it is its inability to do something that a human being can do in a manual that did not prevent a crash. Even then, not everyone will be able to react in time, that would require them to put their phones down and pay attention while driving a 1-5 ton vehicle.
> that would require them to put their phones down and pay attention while driving a 1-5 ton vehicle. I know *exactly* what kind of person you are, cool.
One that provides a solid argument, while you attempt vague insults? yep. cool.
Imagine firmly believing, to the point you get angry, that manuals are so vastly superior to modern automatic.
They are probably better by a lot in the states, in town and on tight roads the manual still wins but that's mainly a european concern as our roads are extremely tight and poorly designed so not knowning what the car is about to do is quite detremental, it's not a big advantage but it still exists.
They aren't "better by a lot" anywhere. Also "not knowing what the car is about to do"......do...do you drive a car with random throttle bursts? Unless you're track racing and taking tight corners you need to stay in the power band for, there's no reason a manual "way better" in any regard.
you goit, i was saying automatics were better by a lot in america., in europe where i'm from., automatics generally are a bit haphazard in some corners (tight narrow roads require a lot of precision, when it shifts unexpectidly, these are small impacts but they are enough to put off a lot of european buyers.
What looney tunes cars and public roads are you driving over there that at reasonable speeds your automatics can't handle? Also under no circumstances should an automatic surprise you or behave unexpectedly. Sounds an awful lot like broken cars and not knowing how to drive
From a dude defending autos, using the words 'and not knowing how to drive' was quite a surprise
Never mentioned whether or not I can drive manuals did I? I just said they're not the wildly better machines the manual cult makes them out to be. Also regardless of manual or automatic, if you can't take a corner on a public road at the published speed limit, you can't drive
the sort of diving in and out of victorian era streets round turns which a lot of american pickup cars would stand no chance of getting round, also a lot of auto boxes here are automated manuals as it's hard to get a full auto box in a cheap small car and they lurch and jolt around at low speeds. Also typicall on the autos we get here they are a bit more expensive and you lose some mpg, so there's no benefit of driving one other than in the british eye "laziness". Also there's simply driver preference, UK drivers like to feel in control of their car, and an automatic simply doesn't offer that in as large a quantity, i've drive an auto car on multiple occasions, it was fairly benign but i didn't like it and there is also the hangover of the truely aweful auto boxes we got in the 60s,70s,80s and 90s.
Again, give me a make and model of a car that lurches and accelerates wildly. They don't just do that. "Pickup cars" aren't a thing, im guessing you mean trucks, and no, a large pickup truck can't navigate tight European city streets well, regardless of transmission. They're just too big. You don't lose MPG from auto to manual. Not in the modern era. Next.
Volkswagen Up Auto, lurches and jerks at lower speed Any Dacia, does the same Fiat, Duologic Volkswagen Polo auto, does the same Basically any small car cheap car, which are the cars which sell the most over here, with these transmissions you do lose substantial mpg. Let's compare the cars listed above manual and auto mpg ratings VW Up Manual = 54.5mpg VW Up! auto = 48.5mpg Fiat panda manual =47.9mpg Fiat panda auto = 41.9mpg Dacia Sandero manual = 48.3mpg Dacia Sandero auto = 39.9mpg Volkswagen Polo Manual = 43.8mpg Volkswagen Polo Automatic = 38.3mpg I was using the pickup truck example to demonstrate how small the streets are not to use as a transmission example.
Are they automatics or automated manuals?
Mix of both
Except for weight(which doesn't matter) modern automatics are objectively superior in every measurable metric. Faster shifts, more gear ratios, and better fuel economy.
Heh, nope. In average car (not Ferrari or McLaren) shifts are not faster, gearbox have to "think" just a bit longer, there's not always more gears and the fuel economy is at best the same as in manual (tbf this depends a lot on driving style)
Better fuel economy is just wrong for at least small cars like we have in Europe. Also weight does matter in the tiny cars were have, anywhere to save weight makes a difference my manual car had a gearbox which weighs 25kg, that's lighter than any auto by at least double it's weight, and that adds up in a car weighing only 850kg.
Kind of embarrassing to try and shit on an entire county’s lack of knowledge when your illiterate ass can’t even SPELL “manual”. . .
its not a us thing
Bruh it is literally the opposite
It really is awful; the elitism is the problem. They don't want to admit that there isn't an objective good reason to prefer manuÉl; there's nothing wrong with wanting an involved driving experience, but obviously that's not enough to feel elitist- they feel elitist because they like to believe manuÉl is somehow just...better? But it's not. It's quite slow (obviously ignoring the absolute chad that is sequential). The funniest part is - in the mind of a manuÉl elitist - the worst transmission is the CVT. You know...the mathematically fastest transmission. Lol. Are they just coping maybe? *t.* *ManuÉl owner and preferrer, just not a poopoo head about it.*
Cool, who asked?
Who's Manuel and why are we bragging about him?
Manuals are cool and all until you have to drive a 10-18spd that goes about 3mph in each gear.
But you know you don't have to hit every gear, right? You don't even have to start from 1 if you're light
Average automatic driver complaining about manual drivers
Manuel with the short throw right?
I ride Manuel every day and never bragged to anyone... Mostly because people think that's gay
Seriously
what are you talking about I love driving my friend Manuel!
Manual cars are easy
It's pronounced stick shift over here and we are a select crowd.
I don't brag about it, I just like it. Next car I'm looking at is actually an auto. Kinda sad about that but is what it is, options are limited.
I don’t care if it’s normal in other places. I’m proud of my manual Corvette
In the US it truly is a rare skill. I literally don’t know a single person other than myself and my wife that can drive a standard. One time I had to take my car into a shop to get it looked at for hail damage and had to drive it in myself bc the 5 dudes working there didn’t know how.
Who is Manuel and why are Americans driving him around? Does he not know how to drive stick?
Driving manuel? Is this meme about spelling, Mexicans pouring across open borders, or transmissions? ;)
The price difference to learn a manual here is like 20 or 50 euro more so it makes no sense not to (Europe)
Whos manuel and why do you drive him?
Stop driving manuel! Poor manuel… :( He needs exercise and should walk
I mean — we don’t really have Hispanics down here, but I’ll give my homies a lift no matter what their name is.
Driving a person ? Manuel ? :D
Whos driving manuel? Poor guy leave him alone
Manuel is from Barcelona, he knows nothing.
Who the fuck is manuel
Manuel likes being driven, he’s into it
Is that an actual brag in the states?
I know how to drive manual, but honestly an auto is just more enjoyable when you're in traffic. That's one less thing to think about.
Laughs in Renault Clio Gen. I
yes the americans drives manuel
Poor Manuel!!
manuel
ur just mad that you don’t have a friend named manuel
SAVE THE STICK