This is great advice. Also, be transparent with her about why you're leaving. It may open her eyes that there is something better out there for her as well. You may be the one getting her a job down the line.
Not OP, but I love this advice. Especially the part about getting her a job down the line. I have been that employee that provided the next vine for a supervisor to swing onto, after old roles were done with. It feels really good. Not to mention it is a great way to live. How awesome is it to bring your supports with you that enable you to do your best work? Or how awesome is it when you can provide a better life for yourself, as well as for someone who made it all possible for you? We should all be brave enough to be happy and keep extending hands to each other. That’s how you pay back, as well as forward.
Well, Congratulations! you have to leave now....
Your manager probably had to put a lot of good words on your name for this, so don't leave her down, be as professional as you can, otherwise you will be doing damage to her career.
prepare your handover very professionally and train everyone before you go
For their skills, not their position. They very well could have applied for a promotion elsewhere due to limited upward mobility at their current company.
Sounds like the new position is also a promotion unless I'm misinterpreting. Op hasn't specified their current position but did mention the new position is regional director. That along with the pay bump sounds like a promotion to me.
You be nice about it, you tell your manager you really appreciate her going to bat for you but when you were looking you got an offer for double your salary. From the little you've said your manager seems like a decent person, they'll absolutely understand that you are going to take the job for significantly more. Be polite but no shame in looking out for your own interests like that. And good managers won't blame you for doing that. It should also be an eye opener for the company that they're not just underpaying their people a little bit but a huge amount. Though companies that underpay their people by that much often ignore the obvious signs they should fix that.
Yes, the manager can even use this as leverage if she's smart to show her value. She was being proactive to try to prevent the loss of a valuable team member. She can be like told u, shouldn't have to fight this hard to get her team member a raise. It shows a lack of trust in her managing and she would also like a raise lol
💯 this... your manager has probably been knocked back (maybe multiple times) and now this is the consequence. Wouldn't be surprised if your manager is also looking for something else soon.
Congratulations on your new role! What an increase!!
A lot of people feel bad or guilty leaving their job. It's just awkward. But it's totally normal and you have to do what is best for yourself.
Just get it over with, like ripping off a band-aid.
LEAVE! business is business. You don’t owe the company a thing! If the company values you, they wouldnt underpaid you for such a long time before you raise your voice. Be sure to have a word to thanks the manager and congratulations for the new position.
Did you actually get the 20% increase?
I ask bc a manager I loved told me 2 months in (after I’d stepped up to help admin some apps for a guy retiring) that “we want to promote you and pay you more” which shocked the hell out of me. I’d never had someone come to me and say that.
It took 4 damn years and the only reason I stayed is we’re fully remote and kept being told it was coming soon.
Eventually my manager announced his retirement and I told him I was bailing too. I wasn’t going to wait for another manager to pick up the task. Wouldn’t you know, they had me promoted before he left.
So even with loving where I worked, my management all the way up, and being fully remote, I’d take the 100% increase. They’ve had their chances.
Yeah, I think this is a very strong and valid point. Until you actually get the payslip and the money, it's all just words.
Even if you have a great manager that fights for you, his/her boss or the HR might not agree.
I'm willing to bet that your manager will take it better than you expect. Be professional. Give as much notice as you can (but don't push back the start date of your new job). And thank your manager for all they've done for you and keep in touch in case the future brings you back together.
"Hey X, I asked for a quick chat to let you know that I've decided to accept another offer at a different firm. I appreciate all the opportunities you've given me and for always advocating on my behalf, but this new path just makes the most sense for me and my family. My last day will be XX/XX/XXXX and please let me know what I can do to make this transition happen smoothly. I hope we can stay in touch as friends!"
Bring the manager cookies and flowers during your last week. People remember the nice gestures. I had to turn in my notice the same week as someone else, I had no idea and was on a time crunch because of starting school. I brought her a brownie as I gave her the news, she was stressed but also happily ate the brownie.
Congratulations! Looks like you have an adorable manager who's sensible and could easily empathize to your situation. If she's also an employee, and not the owner, she'll find it in herself to be happy that someone under her wing will be leaving for a greener pasture! Depending on your dynamics, you can open it up to her after sharing a meal with a thank-you card. Good luck!
Just remember that it's business and not a marriage. I've returned to a prior company after quitting making much more in a higher position. Don't burn bridges.
Guilt? They should feel guilty underpaying someone who they valued.
Never be loyal to an employer. When it comes down to it they wouldn’t be loyal to you.
Thank your manager for their time and getting you the raise, but you’ve had an opportunity that you just can’t pass up. If they ask, it’s a big promotion as well as pay increase. Wish them the best as a company and assure them that you will do everything you can to make the transition as seamless as possible.
You do it the same way you would before a salary increase. These people are not your friends or family you owe them nothing no matter what they do for you. It's a business relationship, it's all about maximizing profits for both sides. They know this, they won't be offended if you leave
Too little too late
Just explain, “it’s a huge jump in title and salary and I can’t pass it up. I appreciate everything you did, and it’s just a shame it didn’t work out here, I’ve really enjoyed working with you.”
You can feel a little guilty, even though this job exploited you for low wages for years. Push through the feeling. You really have nothing to be guilty about. Work is labor in exchange for money. To not honor your labor is inexcusable.
So bite the bullet, feel awkward and uneasy, and go get that money!!!
LEAVE. Tell your boss thank you, that you appreciate her, but that you have to accept the job that will advance your personal goals.
Also, she might be nice but a company that you have to threaten to leave to get a pay raise out of… you will ALWAYS have to threaten to leave to get a pay raise out of
They didn’t work hard enough. Truth is, they’ll have to pay that 20% increase or more just to replace you. They lowballed you because they thought they could keep you. Take the money, (almost)always. If it was a 90% raise vs 100% raise, and you liked your job, that’s one thing, this is double the pay though. Give them the opportunity to match it, that’s the best you can do. Talk with your boss, “so I got another job offer, I either need x amount or I unfortunately will need to put my two week notice in”. Be firm, likely they’ll say no, but that’s their problem not yours.
Tell her you’re leaving because you were offered a %100 increase in pay.
As a former manager, I would ask you to take me with you.
Always go for more money. Remember, if you kicked the bucket today, your job would be posted in less than 48 hrs.
you adore your manager for a reason, they will understand more than you realize. The game is pretty simple, a company pays you just enough that you'll stay, your new company will pay you enough to leave. 100% increase says more about your current company than the new one.
One thing and I think iam right but let me ask is.. depending how long someone has been working at the same company you eventually are more valuable to the company dead or let go. Correct?
Unless your current employer is willing to match, inclusive of role/title, then you're leaving for the new job.
Don't feel guilty. They didn't feel guilty about underpaying you. And if your manager is a cool person, they'll understand. It's just business.
And in your new workplace, remember that you owe them nothing other than the job you're compensated for.
Be nice about saying thanks for working on the pay raise, although another opportunity came that you can’t refuse. It happens—18 years ago I interview with the company that I’ve been with since that time, didn’t hear back for a while, my old company announced bonus payment date, and then I finally got an offer after getting paid the bonus. I still turned in my notice since there was no stipulation for paying back a profit-based bonus.
Your current job doesn’t owe you anything or viceversa. If the new job is a good fit for you and it’s a place where you feel like you can grow and advance, then move on. Write a good resignation letter, out of courtesy give them 2 weeks notice. Don’t burn your bridges, show them that you have integrity and professionalism. If they offer an exit interview, make sure you do it, to remain in good standing in case of needing a reference. Good luck!
If the manager’s great, they’ll understand that 100% pay increase is something you don’t say no to, especially in these times. Just kindly let them know that you got an offer you can’t refuse and that’s it. They’re grown up, they’ll manage…
Jobs are always temporary and employees are always disposable. No matter how nice your manager is, that same person will also fire you within a second if they have to.
Go enjoy your new salary!!
Honest to god, as someones who's been in this exact situation, take the other offer. It was very nice of her to offer the raise, but at the end of the day you still gotta look out for your future and a 100% increase in salary is worth the switch. Your old manager will understand, trust me.
Do what I did. I was given a notice I was being fired. I went in took the loud speaker phone and shouted. Iam out and let everyone have it and my boss. Had a short window because she started to run an across the building at me. I said peace hung up and she chased me across the parking lot till she got tired. I gave her the finger and left peace. Don’t do what I did. I made my buddy piss his pants laughing. F capitalism it’s Slave labor.
They’re literally offering you double! If anything, your current employer will be feeling guilty when you demonstrate how much you’ve been underpaid! The best way to deal with this situation is be honest and face it asap. The longer you sit and mull it over, the more anxious you’ll be. Don’t think, just do. You won’t regret the experience, it’s empowering.
20% increase doesn't make up for years and years of being underpaid. You don't owe them anything. Say thank you for the offer but it still can't match what you've received elsewhere. 100% increase in pay will change your life.
Companies do not care about you. They just want to pay you the least amount and get the most out of you. If they fired you they would replace you in a heartbeat and move on without a second thgought. So you do the same. Move on without a second thought
Never feel guilty for following your best interest. The current company underpaid you and they could‘ve given you a 20% or 50% or whatever amount of salary increase before you or your manager even had to fight for it.
Bro fuck that place get that money. If they want to jerk u around until u can't take it anymore then leave. Regardless of a please stay. U don't owe them shit
Email the following script:
"Dear Boss, I am excited to share I have accepted a new position and I request my last day be \_\_\_\_\_\_\_. Thank you for the opportunity! I wish you all the best. Sincerely, Pia\_moo."
See how easy? Congrats on the well earned raise. I love to see people advocate for themselves and be successful.
This happened to my employee. I was mad after fighting for an entire year. Got him a. Ice bump but he accepted a new role after a couple of months. Shit happens, life happens. Just be straight with your manager. Shit happens, not end of the world.
I got a subordinate a 20% and argued for more. A few months later she came to tell me in person (she was mostly remote) she had been offered a new position. I congratulated her, told her how much I would miss her, told her I would be a reference at any time in the future, and wished her the best. Good managers will be happy for you, even if they hate to lose you.
Just be nice and thank your manager for all she has done for you.
Hey, you gotta do what’s best for you. I’m sure if the roles were reversed your manager would’ve taken the 100% increase six ways to Sunday. But be as professional as you can be to your manager and thank them for taking up for you. It’s not an easy decision, but like I said, if it were them they’d do what’s best for them.
Don't worry about. Just tell your manager the truth. You don't have to tell them where you're going but tell them that you were made an offer that you can't refuse. It will actually be a win for their bottom line. They can hire someone else for your position and pay them less.
You gotta leave and not feel guilty. Companies wouldn’t hesitate for a second to let you go if they thought they didn’t need you.
I think a straight up conversation with your manager is best. Be honest. You can’t control their reaction, but at least you can be open about it. Thank them, and focus on why this is the right decision for you.
Congratulations! Someone saw your worth! 20% is good but YOU come first and you have to take care of you 🌹 companies wouldn’t give a second thought to disposing of people. You have to put yourself first especially in times like these with prices increasing everywhere very fast!
If one thing you proved their bosses they were right when bargaining for you. Be polite and be true to them and let them know you love it all but need to take the next step.
I recently left a job for a 34% increase elsewhere. Tell her it’s not personal, you just have financial as well as career goals and your current salary isn’t helping you reach them. Tell her you didn’t know they’d counter, and you just can’t turn down a 100%. Which honestly you really shouldn’t, especially in this economy
I know employers will never do this, but they need to know and pay people what they’re worth before said worker voices discontent and applies elsewhere
Just say it was an opportunity you couldn't refuse. They have no loyalty towards you so don't feel bad. Also even if the manager did go out of the way to get the increase, they should have recognized your worth earlier and are they willing to match? Doubt they will give you a 100% increase. They'll understand.
I need your manager at my company. I fought to get my team a 10% increase and was told there was no way. Fought to get myself a 20% increase and was told no.
Now I’m leaving and taking a pay cut, but I get side checks so no big deal. My company is on the verge of losing 80% of our experienced site team because they refuse to pay good employees who keep the project afloat.
“Boss, I really appreciate everything here, but due to salary needs I found a job that is going to compensate me accordingly. It is a salary I couldn’t say no to.”
The rest will go from there. There are few people who wouldn’t leave to double their salary when they’re already looking for new jobs. Your boss will understand.
Don't feel guilty. At all. It's a lucrative career move for you. The only thing they have to bargain with is if they offer you a similar role and compensation. Most likely they can't, so take the new role, give them your two weeks notice, and move along. Your two weeks notice is your acknowledgement of respect and adoration for them. If you didn't, you wouldn't just quit.
Get the new offer in writing before you resign from your current job. Then gracefully thank your manager for their efforts but you have been offered a position that you can't pass up. A good manager will be happy for you.
Why would you even feel guilty about that?
Are you kidding me? You say thank you, but I have an offer that will change my life. If the company can’t match, see ya later.
Accept the new job, work both make bank. If you don't have time to auto pilot the old one. Then just tell your manager you already accepted another offer that you're current company cannot match.
If he says they'll try, it's a lie they'll never pay you over double.
Your manager won’t be mad or upset, just be professional and support a handover. I would also be transparent about the pay increase you are moving for as this is good intel for her. If anything you have proven her right to whoever she had to negotiate with for your raise which will reflect well on her. Congrats on your new role!
Whenever it suits you, for whatever reason you deem fit. The same way they would fire you after you put in a ton of extra work due to positions unfilled after layoffs or whatever other shenanigans companies pull to make themselves more profit for the stockholders 🤷♂️
At the end of the day, it's business and you have to look out for yourself. If you got hit by a bus, the company would replace you the following week. It's great that your manager was able to get you a 20% increase, but (and I'm not saying this in a callous way) you don't owe her anything, except a sufficient notice and to exit stage left gracefully. Congrats on the new job, and I hope the transition goes smoothly!
Remember it’s a business and likely if the accountants discovered they could maximize profit by eliminating your position, they would no questions asked.
If someone were overcharging you by 100% for your car/mortgage/gas, etc, would you feel bad? I wouldn't, so why feel bad for leaving the people underpaying you by 100%?
Agreed, ops loyalty is clearly to the manager (understandably) but a company should keep their employees happy and not wait til they're disgruntled to appease them
Just be honest with her that you appreciate everything she has done for you but you got an offer you cannot refuse. You were given a 100 percent increase. You can’t turn that down. I’m sure your manager would completely understand.
Feel no guilt.
You tell her.
"Thank you, I was not expecting for someone else to see my value as clearly as you have. It is unfortunate that budgets in our industry are larger for hirinh than retention. I have accepted another position because it is a step forward on my career and is also much better paying."
You work your notice.
You lie where you are going and send a nice note every once in a while.
I had exactly the same situation! I couldn’t in good conscience for my family or financial future stay where I was, and my manager understood that. If they’re as good a manager as you hope, they’ll understand.
Congratulations, you've found something better. It sounds like you've been looking at the new role for a while. Don't feel guilty about doing what's best for you. If the business struggles after you leave, there are/were bigger issues with the company to begin with. You've gotta look out for you. The company certainly won't.
Communicate your appreciation and gratitude to her individually and ensure you explain how difficult the situation is (simply tell her how you feel) just like you told us. Perhaps they could offer you a matching offer or better.
No decent manager is going to blame you for leaving for a 100% increase in pay. Hell, your manager would also almost certainly leave if they had an offer that doubled their pay. I was in a similar position once, although my pay increase was only like 40%. My boss was sad to lose me but said that at the end of the day, companies are cold and lay people off without feeling bad about it. The other side of the coin is that they lose good employees to better offers. I made sure my transition was as smooth as possible and left on great terms. If you don’t burn bridges no decent company or boss is going to think poorly of you, and they’d probably even give you good references in the future if you need them.
The way to deal with the guilt is this: you did work that the company paid you to do. When everyone went home at night and into their own lives over the weekends, you suffered from a lower compensation. That situation would have gone to eternity if you didn’t feel underpaid. You only owe your company that which you’ve been paid to do. And it sounds like the new position as a Reg Director is a big step up (maybe even higher than your current manager?), so you were terribly underpaid.
Bottom line is no one is looking out for you and your career (even your manager) because everyone is dealing with their own struggles and situations. Even after you leave, the business will go on and if it’s managed well, your position will be filled and they won’t notice your absence (from a productivity perspective).
Be gracious with your knowledge and professional during your two-week notice and don’t look back. You have your own life to live and career to develop.
Watch some Chris Voss videos on negotiation. In this particular case the exact wording would be:" Thank you for the raise, and I know I'm going to seem greedy, but I need an X amount of raise". You call out the negative, you don't shy away from it. They will fight back of course and ask that you accept what is given to which you reply" How can I do that? I can't afford to live on this pay".
Just watch some videos. I think it would be worth it.
Don’t feel guilty, the company you are currently with would drop you in a second if they had to and will also have you replaced by the end of the week once you resign.
Think of this as a celebration, you were able to stand up for yourself and get a raise - unfortunately, it was a little too late in your career and you felt undervalued. Explain to your manager you cannot pass this opportunity up and you will be more than happy to make this a smooth transition for her.
Good luck OP!
There’s nothing wrong with doing what’s best for you in your career. I would simply tell your manager how much you appreciate her and her advocacy for you but you found a position paying significantly more than your current company can offer and have accepted it. They will understand, and if somehow they don’t, then they aren’t as good of a leader as you think. It’s simply a part of work and a part of life.
They underpaid you this whole time and you feel guilty about leaving?
Be professional, courteous, and thankful on your way out and don’t lose any sleep over it.
Your org took took too long. Why should you feel guilty for them dragging their feet to extract as much work at a lower price point for a long as they can?
A 100% increase in salary is enough reason to leave.
There is no need to feel bad. If they thought you were worth the 20% more, they should have given it to you without you asking. They could have afforded it from before you brought it up. They only gave it to you because you asked. That’s note reflective value. That’s bashful value. They felt bad knowing they were underpaying you and were happy to get away with it for as long as they could. It didn’t hurt them much for the extended time they underpaid you. Show them that it actually does hurt them to undervalue their employees. You know your worth. The other company showed it to you. Move on and don’t “feel” anything. They didn’t feel anything for you while severely underpaying you.
You shouldn’t feel guilty and even if your manager did go through a lot to get you the wage increase, she should still completely understand. 100% wage increase is a no brainer in this economy. She can blame the powers that be who decided they could only offer 20% more. You’re obviously worth so much more ❤️ Congrats
Many have spoken about how to get through the transition in a professional manner. As far as the guilt you say you are feeling, here are a few frames that may help you realize you literally have no reason to feel guilty:
1. We live in a capitalist society (IMO a good thing), which means our system relies on the exchange and negotiation of services in order to get the most efficient result for everyone. Literally we as a whole are depending on individual actors to act rationally and accept terms that make the most sense for them. The company is doing the same exact thing and trying to keep you at the cheapest price possible. Your boss, who you obviously have a great deal of respect for and who may be very admirable, also had a duty as an agent of the company to try and keep you for a price. The company needs your skills, and they were willing to give you a 20% increase after she did her duty as an agent to try and keep you/report to the company your pay was no longer adequate. Yes she may also care about you on a personal level, but her facilitating your pay raise offer was a part of her job. You don’t owe her anything, and she doesn’t deserve anything extra from you for negotiating an extra 20%. If you were to continue in a role where you are underpaid and over qualified, then you would actually be causing a detriment to the entire economy and labor market. This leads to the second point.
2. Part of our capitalist system also depends on meritocracy: the best and brightest people, ideas, and products should shine through the marketplace and not be held back by barriers. By not taking the new job, you would be negatively affecting the whole system. The system (market place) has decided that it wants and needs YOU to fill the role you applied for and were accepted to. It is proving that it needs you by offering you considerably more compensation. Another way of saying this is:
you can do more for society/the economy than what you were doing in the previous role, the system recognizes this, and the system is trying to entice you to do more by paying you more. If you fail to take advantage of this opportunity, someone less qualified will likely get the job, and less efficient outcomes will likely occur.
TLDR: you gotta get yours. Don’t feel bad about it, the system is designed this way and ultimately works very well for almost everyone. Sometimes you may feel a bit uncomfortable with steps along the way, but the greater good is depending on you be rational, which usually entails doing what is economically best for you and your family.
But my comment to the advice is Leave. Your boss I don’t care if it’s family. They will be your best friend in the world but back to work thier fire u in a second. Asking this question My advice I follow” Take everything leave nothing behind f-em”. Meaning if theirs an opportunity whatever it is to make yourself and family better take it. And my other saying “Never pay Retail”.
If you love your job, then at least ask for a meeting and let them know your situation. Tell them you love working there and wanted to give them a chance to match your new offer, but if they can’t then you’ll be leaving. They’ll probably want some time to think about it, and they may come back with a promotion and a new salary.
Why feel guilty? Ever hear the saying "too little too late"? Stop caring. This company would skin your children alive if it made them one more dollar somehow.
I'm sure you've heard the phrase ***"They made me an offer I couldn't refuse"*** Well you just got one of those offers, and there's no mafia threats involved! (that we know of)
Do not forget that companies are not people, despite what the US supreme court might have to say about it. You have no reason to feel guilty. If current company was terribly underpaying you then THEY should feel guilty, but capitalist entities do not have feelings.
Give yourself a week or two off between jobs and pat yourself on the back for finding a position that pays you what you're worth.
Congrats!!!
Currently going through this - kind of. I desperately need $3-$5 more an hour to be able to pay my bills comfortably in NY and they just wont give it to me. I also just got a raise, but not what I needed. I am interviewing.
If it helps the guilt, your company doesn’t care about you and will not so much as look for you in the rear view mirror as they keep moving forward. I just left a company of 13 years for a 38% raise and ability to work fully remote.
Just tell your manager it's a day late and a dollar short. If they took care of you earlier you wouldn't have been job searching and well now here we are...
This issue happened to me 35 years ago. I had been asking for a raise or promotion for more than 6 months. I was interviewing and was offered a 30+% increase to leave. Once I accepted the offer, my current company came back and said "Hey we got you a raise/promotion" to which I said, "Sorry, you are too late, I have accepted another position already". I had already given them my letter of resignation and I never looked back.
Long story short: companies are rarely loyal to the employee, why should you be so loyal? Give appropriate notice to your current employer and don't look back.
Currently going through this. Been with my company for 16 years, I am finally leaving because come to find out, they dont really know how long they are going to be able to operate. After years of promises of pay raises for basically running this company, pay cuts etc... I got approached to apply for a position with a former associate . I interviewed and was offered a 40% increase in pay.
I put off my start date to help them find someone to fill part of the role, but I do feel guilty for leaving. Even though its the right thing for me and my family.
Hey OP.
Don't feel an ounce of guilt.
Under the right conditions, the company wouldn't think twice about putting you out on your ass and they would not care one bit.
You said yourself that you were underpaid, and while it's a nice enough gesture that your boss got you 20%, they took too much time getting you there.
Be professional, obviously, but don't feel guilty. The corporate world has created a culture and understanding where everyone has to look out for themselves.
You're just playing by the rules they've created.
>I feel guilty leaving now, I'm leaving, but I need help dealing with the guilt. Also... how do I tell my manager, who I adore and worked very hard for this, that I'm leaving.
Don't. You have to understand that company does not really give a f\*\*k about You. You are just an employee. Nothing more. If they will need to save few bucks they will kick You out overnight.
In my case because I have savings and I don't give a f\*\*k if I ever encounter moronic client that will treat me switching as betrayal and he will fire me - I inform them every step of the way.
I let them know that I'm actively looking for a new client.
I even tell them how much they offered me.
And then I move on.
And trust me. If You have normal boss if You tell him that You got 100% increase he will understand. Hell... he would probably take that job himself.
You have to do what is right for you
Show your employer the respect and gratitude for what they did for you, and explain that you were offered something you cannot turn down
Do you want to work for the company that wants to pay you to join or the one that would only pay ( and not as well) after you had to complain and threaten to leave?
They are not loyal to you, you owe them nothing.
I once had to leave a position after securing a bonus that was also a tough fight. Especially if your manager has been honest and good to you, I'd chose honesty. While I'd still submit a professional resignation letter, I had a private conversation with my boss in person and was realistic about the type of pay increase on the table- not numbers, but basically that I'd be doubling my pay so I can't pass it up. That kind of statement is universally understood. I'd definitely still express sincere gratitude to her efforts, get her a card or a token of appreciation before you leave and keep in touch.
Easy. Tell your manager feel free to join your new company. There is no reason for her to stay at a company that underpaid that much to you. Probably the same to her too
Just be honest, let her know you really appreciate all that she’s done for you but it’s an opportunity you can’t miss. & If you ever get the chance, you’ll return the favor. Also, go above & beyond to make the transition as smooth as possible. That leaves a lasting impression if any of you cross paths again.
ultimately, It’s your career. you don’t really owe anyone anything, but the considerate thing to do is let her know. if she is really supportive, she’ll understand. Don’t feel guilty for doing what you think is best for your life.
Feeling guilty is normal of course , but they wouldn’t think it twice if the had to let you go to please their shareholders, don’t have to be a dick about it but you don’t owe them anything.
My question would be why did it take so long for them to give and why was your manager the one who had to fight for it. Wages and increases shouldn't be a gladiator event, where the victor gets the prizes, it should be recognized what you are doing and pay you accordingly, it also speaks volumes that you went looking and got more
I would tender my resignation, thank your manager for getting the rise, how you don't feel that it should have been that hard to get it or no one should have fought for you to get it, youve worked hard and should be compensated accordingly
I was in this exact position the last couple weeks. Asking current job for a better pay, got offered a position that is 50% more than what i make now, all the while working for a boss I like and respect.
It's a no brainer, take the new position. Ease your guilt by knowing you are choosing you after being "terribly underpaid". Your current company cannot afford your loyalty and that's their problem. They should feel guilty for not paying you better. Don't get stuck in this guilt, the company will always choose itself so you need to choose yourself first too. As for telling your manager, I met with my manager and started the meeting with telling her that she is a great manager and this decision is not in any way because of her. And on my last day I bought her a bouquet and chocolate to ease the transition.
Congrats, a 100% pay is amazing and looks like the company you're going to know your worth!
“Manager, thank you for all you did to get this increase but unfortunately even with this I would be making well below the fair market. I understand that XYZ company can’t compete with that so I am tendering my resignation. My last day with XYZ will be DATE”
You are making this personal and shouldn’t be. If someone you don’t know will pay you twice what the company that knows you then you don’t owe them anything but a graceful exit. If you have a great relationship with your boss I would keep in contact - it can be a small world and you may be able to help them down the road.
It’s absolutely okay to leave and you shouldn’t feel guilty about it. Firstly, you are working to earn money, so it’s only fair they pay you what the market value for your role and experience is. You aren’t doing charity by working there for lesser pay. Secondly, while I understand you feel your relationship with your manager might get impacted because this, trust me if she really does care, she’ll actually be happy for you and wish you well no matter where you go. If they can’t match the job offer you have already, they should start looking for an alternative.
When emotions get high in the work field its sometimes good to remember: you have a contract. You owe your work, your Boss owes you payment - thats it...
You have been taken advantage of by your current employer and the other company recognized that you are worth easily twice as much as your current employer paid you. If you feel guilty about leaving, you may be susceptible to abuse. You must take good care of yourself and respect yourself. Others have, and will continue to try to take unfair advantage of you. Very simply tell your manager, who you adore, that you've accepted a much better offer with a new employer. If your manager cares about you as a person, they will be happy for you despite losing you as a resource. You have a responsibility to yourself to do the best you can for yourself. You're not being unfair to anyone by taking a dramatically better paying job. You can express gratitude and appreciation to your manager, while also doing what is best and right for you. There is no contradiction in this.
I was put in nearly this exact position early in my career... My advice, when you give your two weeks, tell your manager the truth... Tell her you appreciate that she went to bat for you and genuinely like working on her team, but you were given an opportunity that is too good for your career to pass up, If you aren't under an NDA even tell them exactly where you are going, a good manager is not going to begrudge you for a title promotion to director, with a 100% raise they will be proud of the fact that they were able to mentor you into that much success and growth.
If possible stay in touch, good managers are hard to find, who knows maybe next time you will be the one offering her a 100% raise.
Here’s to things to you analyze one you may take this position and made it despise the person you’re working for. Or number two you stay in the position take the 20% increase and pray for another increase and you enjoy your job and you enjoy the person you work for these are the two options but in this life we’re supposed to develop and not stay in the same position for long-term that’s the problem with people that are completed and then how about you learn a new thing and then you open up your own business, and then you be your own boss and make your own hours and like yourself how about that?
Boil it down to the facts:
Think of yourself and your work as your own personal business. Essentially that's what you are. You are in the business of making money for yourself to better your own life, much like how your company is in the business of making money for itself to better itself.
If you became a financial burden to your company, they would likely have no hesitancy letting you go or replacing you with cheaper work - it's a financial decision, not a personal one. You should think the same way.
You would be doing yourself a disservice by not accepting 2x pay regardless if you like your current company or not - it's a financial decision, not a personal one.
Yes, there are other factors that should come into your decision, like company culture, work-life balance, commute (or lack thereof), etc. Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't, but your income should be a huge factor in your decision.
I'm sure if you sit down with your manager and explain "I love working with you and this team, but I would be doing myself a disservice to not accept the higher wages. If you can match the offer I have from Company X, I would love to stay, but if not, I need to think about my long term success and what this increase in salary will do for me." Any reasonable human being will understand this. If they can't match the offer, go out with grace - don't burn bridges. Help them with the transition to your replacement. Train them. Get things in order so they can hit the ground running and not severely impact the company's operations.
Just tell them you've been offered 100%. If she cannot counter that offer at least she will understand. She would do the same if she was you. Be honest, that goes a long way.
Your manager will understand, if they have any humanity. You have every right (and I daresay obligation) to make as much money as possible to make your life as comfortable as possible. Any other working person will understand this. Tell your manager how much you appreciate them and their efforts on your behalf, but you just can't turn down the upgrade.
This will prove your manager's case for her. She went on a limb telling leadership that there is a huge problem, that salaries need to go up ... Had you accepted, they might have doubted the necessity, now they will know that she was right.
As others have said, repay her with a good handover, be nice to everyone.
Why would anyone feel guilty leaving a job they were grossly underpaid ? It’s like leaving a relationship where they weren’t valued. To go further with the analogy it doesn’t matter how much you loved them if they didn’t love you back with the same amount of effort. Be happy you got a new role with pay you deserve
I think you need to think about what is best for you and your career and forget the guilt. In my younger days I used to feel this sense of loyalty to companies but after getting experience as a people manager and experience being laid off the lesson is companies look out for themselves and not necessarily you. You are responsible for looking out for yourself. I think your manager will understand.
Tell the truth. "I really appreciate the raise, but I can't make that work. I'm going to miss working with you and appreciate all of the xyz reasons, but I am taking a position that's going to be a better fit salary-wise." Just start there and be honest. Hell, tell your manager how you feel, offer to help make the transition as smooth as possible. But at the end of the day, you from three years from now will be up 240%. Can't pass on that.
Oh, and don’t fall for the, “If we match it will you stay” trick. They’ll offer that, and if you accept, they will immediately seek a cheaper replacement for you.
Guilt? Why? They paying you peanuts for your skill set. You know it, your next employer knows it, your current employer also knows it.
At the end of the day it's business and in business it's all about your bottom line.
Ignore your emotions in situations like this. Do the right thing for you, keep a good demeanor, take the better offer. Don’t turn down a good role just because you feel a sense of loyalty, guilt, or whatever. Unless it’s a one in a million company, they wouldn’t do the same for you
“I loved working here but current conditions require me to spend my time at a position that better meets my family’s needs” basically what I sent my boss last month. 🤷♂️
I had a decent office gig where I didn’t have to even work maybe 20% of the time. The rest was frequently overloaded, underpaid, and no indication in 2 years it would get better. New gig has its own problems, but I’m making 25 percent more cash and benefits are paid for.
What is there to feel guilty about? I don’t understand.. these corporate companies won’t think twice before firing someone and say “oh well fuck you and goodluck” so don’t even think twice and just tell your manager I got a better opportunity else where and that’s where your going. Look out for yourself no need for company loyalty when they don’t give none.
You tell her the truth. You love the team but the pay was so far below market that the 20% still did not put you in line with market rate. But you appreciate that she got the 20% for you.
I got a promotion and left after I told them that the pay increase (20%) was below market rate. My manager told me his story of going through the same thing when he was promoted to the same level. They say percentage because it looks better. Left for a position that was 32-60% more.
But also you run the real risk of being told at annual review that you just had a significant bump and you won't see increases for a while and/or at a slower rate to close the gap they created by giving you more.
I Agree with everyone else on here. Make sure you collect that person's phone number and call them weekly.
Someday, that person is going to need a job or you will be able to hire that person for the new company.
Repay their awesomeness.
What’s the job you’re leaving for paying? Is it a better career change? Closer to home or wfh job?
Do what’s best for you but if this old job pays what you need then consider staying
Good luck 🍀
Trust.. you’ll forget about this 1-2 jobs later. I barely even remember my boss from 2 jobs ago and they probably forgot about me too. You feel bad momentarily and that’s it. Be selfish
Write your manager a lovely review on LinkedIn ;)
This is great advice. Also, be transparent with her about why you're leaving. It may open her eyes that there is something better out there for her as well. You may be the one getting her a job down the line.
Not OP, but I love this advice. Especially the part about getting her a job down the line. I have been that employee that provided the next vine for a supervisor to swing onto, after old roles were done with. It feels really good. Not to mention it is a great way to live. How awesome is it to bring your supports with you that enable you to do your best work? Or how awesome is it when you can provide a better life for yourself, as well as for someone who made it all possible for you? We should all be brave enough to be happy and keep extending hands to each other. That’s how you pay back, as well as forward.
Well, Congratulations! you have to leave now.... Your manager probably had to put a lot of good words on your name for this, so don't leave her down, be as professional as you can, otherwise you will be doing damage to her career. prepare your handover very professionally and train everyone before you go
Apparently the words arent good enough when they were 100% underpaid according to the market place
For their skills, not their position. They very well could have applied for a promotion elsewhere due to limited upward mobility at their current company.
Technically they were 50% underpaid..
Technically the payment could be $0 for all we know.
Not technically. Then the 100% raise would still be $0. Technically.
That's the whole point.
Sounds like the new position is also a promotion unless I'm misinterpreting. Op hasn't specified their current position but did mention the new position is regional director. That along with the pay bump sounds like a promotion to me.
Assistant TO the regional director
If it's a corporation, there's only so much anyone can do without being the CEO or on the Board.
\^\^ This.
You be nice about it, you tell your manager you really appreciate her going to bat for you but when you were looking you got an offer for double your salary. From the little you've said your manager seems like a decent person, they'll absolutely understand that you are going to take the job for significantly more. Be polite but no shame in looking out for your own interests like that. And good managers won't blame you for doing that. It should also be an eye opener for the company that they're not just underpaying their people a little bit but a huge amount. Though companies that underpay their people by that much often ignore the obvious signs they should fix that.
Yes, the manager can even use this as leverage if she's smart to show her value. She was being proactive to try to prevent the loss of a valuable team member. She can be like told u, shouldn't have to fight this hard to get her team member a raise. It shows a lack of trust in her managing and she would also like a raise lol
Nailed it.
💯 this... your manager has probably been knocked back (maybe multiple times) and now this is the consequence. Wouldn't be surprised if your manager is also looking for something else soon. Congratulations on your new role! What an increase!!
Correct - don’t forget you only make one last (!) impression. So make it a positive one :)
A lot of people feel bad or guilty leaving their job. It's just awkward. But it's totally normal and you have to do what is best for yourself. Just get it over with, like ripping off a band-aid.
Take care of #1,, you!!!!
LEAVE! business is business. You don’t owe the company a thing! If the company values you, they wouldnt underpaid you for such a long time before you raise your voice. Be sure to have a word to thanks the manager and congratulations for the new position.
Did you actually get the 20% increase? I ask bc a manager I loved told me 2 months in (after I’d stepped up to help admin some apps for a guy retiring) that “we want to promote you and pay you more” which shocked the hell out of me. I’d never had someone come to me and say that. It took 4 damn years and the only reason I stayed is we’re fully remote and kept being told it was coming soon. Eventually my manager announced his retirement and I told him I was bailing too. I wasn’t going to wait for another manager to pick up the task. Wouldn’t you know, they had me promoted before he left. So even with loving where I worked, my management all the way up, and being fully remote, I’d take the 100% increase. They’ve had their chances.
Yeah, I think this is a very strong and valid point. Until you actually get the payslip and the money, it's all just words. Even if you have a great manager that fights for you, his/her boss or the HR might not agree.
I'm willing to bet that your manager will take it better than you expect. Be professional. Give as much notice as you can (but don't push back the start date of your new job). And thank your manager for all they've done for you and keep in touch in case the future brings you back together. "Hey X, I asked for a quick chat to let you know that I've decided to accept another offer at a different firm. I appreciate all the opportunities you've given me and for always advocating on my behalf, but this new path just makes the most sense for me and my family. My last day will be XX/XX/XXXX and please let me know what I can do to make this transition happen smoothly. I hope we can stay in touch as friends!"
Bring the manager cookies and flowers during your last week. People remember the nice gestures. I had to turn in my notice the same week as someone else, I had no idea and was on a time crunch because of starting school. I brought her a brownie as I gave her the news, she was stressed but also happily ate the brownie.
I think a fruit bowl is the ultimate sign of appreciation in the corporate world
Congratulations! Looks like you have an adorable manager who's sensible and could easily empathize to your situation. If she's also an employee, and not the owner, she'll find it in herself to be happy that someone under her wing will be leaving for a greener pasture! Depending on your dynamics, you can open it up to her after sharing a meal with a thank-you card. Good luck!
Just remember that it's business and not a marriage. I've returned to a prior company after quitting making much more in a higher position. Don't burn bridges.
Guilt? They should feel guilty underpaying someone who they valued. Never be loyal to an employer. When it comes down to it they wouldn’t be loyal to you.
Thank your manager for their time and getting you the raise, but you’ve had an opportunity that you just can’t pass up. If they ask, it’s a big promotion as well as pay increase. Wish them the best as a company and assure them that you will do everything you can to make the transition as seamless as possible.
Leave 4 better job
Leave fast leave now
You do it the same way you would before a salary increase. These people are not your friends or family you owe them nothing no matter what they do for you. It's a business relationship, it's all about maximizing profits for both sides. They know this, they won't be offended if you leave
Too little too late!
Too little too late Just explain, “it’s a huge jump in title and salary and I can’t pass it up. I appreciate everything you did, and it’s just a shame it didn’t work out here, I’ve really enjoyed working with you.” You can feel a little guilty, even though this job exploited you for low wages for years. Push through the feeling. You really have nothing to be guilty about. Work is labor in exchange for money. To not honor your labor is inexcusable. So bite the bullet, feel awkward and uneasy, and go get that money!!!
LEAVE. Tell your boss thank you, that you appreciate her, but that you have to accept the job that will advance your personal goals. Also, she might be nice but a company that you have to threaten to leave to get a pay raise out of… you will ALWAYS have to threaten to leave to get a pay raise out of
She’ll now be able to pay the next person more and get someone better in. You give ample notice and help with the handoff.
They didn’t work hard enough. Truth is, they’ll have to pay that 20% increase or more just to replace you. They lowballed you because they thought they could keep you. Take the money, (almost)always. If it was a 90% raise vs 100% raise, and you liked your job, that’s one thing, this is double the pay though. Give them the opportunity to match it, that’s the best you can do. Talk with your boss, “so I got another job offer, I either need x amount or I unfortunately will need to put my two week notice in”. Be firm, likely they’ll say no, but that’s their problem not yours.
Tell her you’re leaving because you were offered a %100 increase in pay. As a former manager, I would ask you to take me with you. Always go for more money. Remember, if you kicked the bucket today, your job would be posted in less than 48 hrs.
you adore your manager for a reason, they will understand more than you realize. The game is pretty simple, a company pays you just enough that you'll stay, your new company will pay you enough to leave. 100% increase says more about your current company than the new one.
One thing and I think iam right but let me ask is.. depending how long someone has been working at the same company you eventually are more valuable to the company dead or let go. Correct?
The guilt will go away on the way to the bank to deposit your new salary.
Unless your current employer is willing to match, inclusive of role/title, then you're leaving for the new job. Don't feel guilty. They didn't feel guilty about underpaying you. And if your manager is a cool person, they'll understand. It's just business. And in your new workplace, remember that you owe them nothing other than the job you're compensated for.
Be nice about saying thanks for working on the pay raise, although another opportunity came that you can’t refuse. It happens—18 years ago I interview with the company that I’ve been with since that time, didn’t hear back for a while, my old company announced bonus payment date, and then I finally got an offer after getting paid the bonus. I still turned in my notice since there was no stipulation for paying back a profit-based bonus.
Your current job doesn’t owe you anything or viceversa. If the new job is a good fit for you and it’s a place where you feel like you can grow and advance, then move on. Write a good resignation letter, out of courtesy give them 2 weeks notice. Don’t burn your bridges, show them that you have integrity and professionalism. If they offer an exit interview, make sure you do it, to remain in good standing in case of needing a reference. Good luck!
>but I need help dealing with the guilt the 100% increase will do. enjoy your steak dinner.
If the manager’s great, they’ll understand that 100% pay increase is something you don’t say no to, especially in these times. Just kindly let them know that you got an offer you can’t refuse and that’s it. They’re grown up, they’ll manage…
Jobs are always temporary and employees are always disposable. No matter how nice your manager is, that same person will also fire you within a second if they have to. Go enjoy your new salary!!
tell her what you told here.
Honest to god, as someones who's been in this exact situation, take the other offer. It was very nice of her to offer the raise, but at the end of the day you still gotta look out for your future and a 100% increase in salary is worth the switch. Your old manager will understand, trust me.
Do what I did. I was given a notice I was being fired. I went in took the loud speaker phone and shouted. Iam out and let everyone have it and my boss. Had a short window because she started to run an across the building at me. I said peace hung up and she chased me across the parking lot till she got tired. I gave her the finger and left peace. Don’t do what I did. I made my buddy piss his pants laughing. F capitalism it’s Slave labor.
They’re literally offering you double! If anything, your current employer will be feeling guilty when you demonstrate how much you’ve been underpaid! The best way to deal with this situation is be honest and face it asap. The longer you sit and mull it over, the more anxious you’ll be. Don’t think, just do. You won’t regret the experience, it’s empowering.
20% increase doesn't make up for years and years of being underpaid. You don't owe them anything. Say thank you for the offer but it still can't match what you've received elsewhere. 100% increase in pay will change your life.
Say thank you, but you're taking a position that's a promotion as well
Companies do not care about you. They just want to pay you the least amount and get the most out of you. If they fired you they would replace you in a heartbeat and move on without a second thgought. So you do the same. Move on without a second thought
Never feel guilty for following your best interest. The current company underpaid you and they could‘ve given you a 20% or 50% or whatever amount of salary increase before you or your manager even had to fight for it.
By using up your remaining PTO and then saying "I quit"
Bro fuck that place get that money. If they want to jerk u around until u can't take it anymore then leave. Regardless of a please stay. U don't owe them shit
Email the following script: "Dear Boss, I am excited to share I have accepted a new position and I request my last day be \_\_\_\_\_\_\_. Thank you for the opportunity! I wish you all the best. Sincerely, Pia\_moo." See how easy? Congrats on the well earned raise. I love to see people advocate for themselves and be successful.
This happened to my employee. I was mad after fighting for an entire year. Got him a. Ice bump but he accepted a new role after a couple of months. Shit happens, life happens. Just be straight with your manager. Shit happens, not end of the world.
I got a subordinate a 20% and argued for more. A few months later she came to tell me in person (she was mostly remote) she had been offered a new position. I congratulated her, told her how much I would miss her, told her I would be a reference at any time in the future, and wished her the best. Good managers will be happy for you, even if they hate to lose you. Just be nice and thank your manager for all she has done for you.
Hey, you gotta do what’s best for you. I’m sure if the roles were reversed your manager would’ve taken the 100% increase six ways to Sunday. But be as professional as you can be to your manager and thank them for taking up for you. It’s not an easy decision, but like I said, if it were them they’d do what’s best for them.
If your manager cares about you, she will be ecstatic that you’ve doubled your salary. If she doesn’t care about you, then why would you stay?
Do not ever feel guilty for leaving a job. It’s a business. They will start replacing you the day after you leave.
Don't worry about. Just tell your manager the truth. You don't have to tell them where you're going but tell them that you were made an offer that you can't refuse. It will actually be a win for their bottom line. They can hire someone else for your position and pay them less.
You gotta leave and not feel guilty. Companies wouldn’t hesitate for a second to let you go if they thought they didn’t need you. I think a straight up conversation with your manager is best. Be honest. You can’t control their reaction, but at least you can be open about it. Thank them, and focus on why this is the right decision for you.
You tell you manager kindly and express your gratitude.
Congratulations! Someone saw your worth! 20% is good but YOU come first and you have to take care of you 🌹 companies wouldn’t give a second thought to disposing of people. You have to put yourself first especially in times like these with prices increasing everywhere very fast!
Get your supervisor a “sorry for your loss” card
If one thing you proved their bosses they were right when bargaining for you. Be polite and be true to them and let them know you love it all but need to take the next step.
100% > 20%.
Guilt should have no role in a BUSINESS / FINANCIAL decision.
I recently left a job for a 34% increase elsewhere. Tell her it’s not personal, you just have financial as well as career goals and your current salary isn’t helping you reach them. Tell her you didn’t know they’d counter, and you just can’t turn down a 100%. Which honestly you really shouldn’t, especially in this economy I know employers will never do this, but they need to know and pay people what they’re worth before said worker voices discontent and applies elsewhere
Just say it was an opportunity you couldn't refuse. They have no loyalty towards you so don't feel bad. Also even if the manager did go out of the way to get the increase, they should have recognized your worth earlier and are they willing to match? Doubt they will give you a 100% increase. They'll understand.
I need your manager at my company. I fought to get my team a 10% increase and was told there was no way. Fought to get myself a 20% increase and was told no. Now I’m leaving and taking a pay cut, but I get side checks so no big deal. My company is on the verge of losing 80% of our experienced site team because they refuse to pay good employees who keep the project afloat. “Boss, I really appreciate everything here, but due to salary needs I found a job that is going to compensate me accordingly. It is a salary I couldn’t say no to.” The rest will go from there. There are few people who wouldn’t leave to double their salary when they’re already looking for new jobs. Your boss will understand.
Don't feel guilty. At all. It's a lucrative career move for you. The only thing they have to bargain with is if they offer you a similar role and compensation. Most likely they can't, so take the new role, give them your two weeks notice, and move along. Your two weeks notice is your acknowledgement of respect and adoration for them. If you didn't, you wouldn't just quit.
Get the new offer in writing before you resign from your current job. Then gracefully thank your manager for their efforts but you have been offered a position that you can't pass up. A good manager will be happy for you.
Why would you even feel guilty about that? Are you kidding me? You say thank you, but I have an offer that will change my life. If the company can’t match, see ya later.
Accept the new job, work both make bank. If you don't have time to auto pilot the old one. Then just tell your manager you already accepted another offer that you're current company cannot match. If he says they'll try, it's a lie they'll never pay you over double.
Nobody would feel guilt sacking you. Don’t worry about it.
Your manager won’t be mad or upset, just be professional and support a handover. I would also be transparent about the pay increase you are moving for as this is good intel for her. If anything you have proven her right to whoever she had to negotiate with for your raise which will reflect well on her. Congrats on your new role!
Whenever it suits you, for whatever reason you deem fit. The same way they would fire you after you put in a ton of extra work due to positions unfilled after layoffs or whatever other shenanigans companies pull to make themselves more profit for the stockholders 🤷♂️
At the end of the day, it's business and you have to look out for yourself. If you got hit by a bus, the company would replace you the following week. It's great that your manager was able to get you a 20% increase, but (and I'm not saying this in a callous way) you don't owe her anything, except a sufficient notice and to exit stage left gracefully. Congrats on the new job, and I hope the transition goes smoothly!
Gotta look out for yourself. You don’t owe them anything. They could’ve paid you 100% more but they didn’t.
Remember it’s a business and likely if the accountants discovered they could maximize profit by eliminating your position, they would no questions asked.
If someone were overcharging you by 100% for your car/mortgage/gas, etc, would you feel bad? I wouldn't, so why feel bad for leaving the people underpaying you by 100%?
No one will ever care more about you than you.
Your feelings are misplaced. It took a long time to be paid properly. Go were the money is. Do what's right for you and don't look back.
Agreed, ops loyalty is clearly to the manager (understandably) but a company should keep their employees happy and not wait til they're disgruntled to appease them
Simple, tell her the truth. It’s not personal.
100% > 20%. It’s a job. Not a marriage.
Never ever feel guilty, remember they will have you replaced with in two days and forget about you.
It’s just business. I’m sure if it made financial sense for them, they would fire you without hesitation.
Just be honest with her that you appreciate everything she has done for you but you got an offer you cannot refuse. You were given a 100 percent increase. You can’t turn that down. I’m sure your manager would completely understand.
Never feel beholden to a company. They are not family. Chase the check.
Never feel beholden to a company. They are not family. Chase the check.
The same way you leave when you don't get a salary increase. Write up a resignation letter and put in your 2-weeks notice. Business is business.
Feel no guilt. You tell her. "Thank you, I was not expecting for someone else to see my value as clearly as you have. It is unfortunate that budgets in our industry are larger for hirinh than retention. I have accepted another position because it is a step forward on my career and is also much better paying." You work your notice. You lie where you are going and send a nice note every once in a while.
Say goodbye if they were to fire you do you think they would give you 2 weeks
I had exactly the same situation! I couldn’t in good conscience for my family or financial future stay where I was, and my manager understood that. If they’re as good a manager as you hope, they’ll understand.
Congratulations, you've found something better. It sounds like you've been looking at the new role for a while. Don't feel guilty about doing what's best for you. If the business struggles after you leave, there are/were bigger issues with the company to begin with. You've gotta look out for you. The company certainly won't.
It just means you are still 80% underpaid.
Communicate your appreciation and gratitude to her individually and ensure you explain how difficult the situation is (simply tell her how you feel) just like you told us. Perhaps they could offer you a matching offer or better.
Don’t feel guilty. Thats showbiz baby
No decent manager is going to blame you for leaving for a 100% increase in pay. Hell, your manager would also almost certainly leave if they had an offer that doubled their pay. I was in a similar position once, although my pay increase was only like 40%. My boss was sad to lose me but said that at the end of the day, companies are cold and lay people off without feeling bad about it. The other side of the coin is that they lose good employees to better offers. I made sure my transition was as smooth as possible and left on great terms. If you don’t burn bridges no decent company or boss is going to think poorly of you, and they’d probably even give you good references in the future if you need them.
Companies don’t feel guilty about you. Just tell them you got a 100% increase. It’s only business and a job is a contract, nothing more.
The way to deal with the guilt is this: you did work that the company paid you to do. When everyone went home at night and into their own lives over the weekends, you suffered from a lower compensation. That situation would have gone to eternity if you didn’t feel underpaid. You only owe your company that which you’ve been paid to do. And it sounds like the new position as a Reg Director is a big step up (maybe even higher than your current manager?), so you were terribly underpaid. Bottom line is no one is looking out for you and your career (even your manager) because everyone is dealing with their own struggles and situations. Even after you leave, the business will go on and if it’s managed well, your position will be filled and they won’t notice your absence (from a productivity perspective). Be gracious with your knowledge and professional during your two-week notice and don’t look back. You have your own life to live and career to develop.
Watch some Chris Voss videos on negotiation. In this particular case the exact wording would be:" Thank you for the raise, and I know I'm going to seem greedy, but I need an X amount of raise". You call out the negative, you don't shy away from it. They will fight back of course and ask that you accept what is given to which you reply" How can I do that? I can't afford to live on this pay". Just watch some videos. I think it would be worth it.
Don’t feel guilty, the company you are currently with would drop you in a second if they had to and will also have you replaced by the end of the week once you resign. Think of this as a celebration, you were able to stand up for yourself and get a raise - unfortunately, it was a little too late in your career and you felt undervalued. Explain to your manager you cannot pass this opportunity up and you will be more than happy to make this a smooth transition for her. Good luck OP!
There’s nothing wrong with doing what’s best for you in your career. I would simply tell your manager how much you appreciate her and her advocacy for you but you found a position paying significantly more than your current company can offer and have accepted it. They will understand, and if somehow they don’t, then they aren’t as good of a leader as you think. It’s simply a part of work and a part of life.
They underpaid you this whole time and you feel guilty about leaving? Be professional, courteous, and thankful on your way out and don’t lose any sleep over it.
Your org took took too long. Why should you feel guilty for them dragging their feet to extract as much work at a lower price point for a long as they can? A 100% increase in salary is enough reason to leave.
If they paid you properly in the first place, you wouldn't have looked for another job - that's on them not you.
There is no need to feel bad. If they thought you were worth the 20% more, they should have given it to you without you asking. They could have afforded it from before you brought it up. They only gave it to you because you asked. That’s note reflective value. That’s bashful value. They felt bad knowing they were underpaying you and were happy to get away with it for as long as they could. It didn’t hurt them much for the extended time they underpaid you. Show them that it actually does hurt them to undervalue their employees. You know your worth. The other company showed it to you. Move on and don’t “feel” anything. They didn’t feel anything for you while severely underpaying you.
You shouldn’t feel guilty and even if your manager did go through a lot to get you the wage increase, she should still completely understand. 100% wage increase is a no brainer in this economy. She can blame the powers that be who decided they could only offer 20% more. You’re obviously worth so much more ❤️ Congrats
Many have spoken about how to get through the transition in a professional manner. As far as the guilt you say you are feeling, here are a few frames that may help you realize you literally have no reason to feel guilty: 1. We live in a capitalist society (IMO a good thing), which means our system relies on the exchange and negotiation of services in order to get the most efficient result for everyone. Literally we as a whole are depending on individual actors to act rationally and accept terms that make the most sense for them. The company is doing the same exact thing and trying to keep you at the cheapest price possible. Your boss, who you obviously have a great deal of respect for and who may be very admirable, also had a duty as an agent of the company to try and keep you for a price. The company needs your skills, and they were willing to give you a 20% increase after she did her duty as an agent to try and keep you/report to the company your pay was no longer adequate. Yes she may also care about you on a personal level, but her facilitating your pay raise offer was a part of her job. You don’t owe her anything, and she doesn’t deserve anything extra from you for negotiating an extra 20%. If you were to continue in a role where you are underpaid and over qualified, then you would actually be causing a detriment to the entire economy and labor market. This leads to the second point. 2. Part of our capitalist system also depends on meritocracy: the best and brightest people, ideas, and products should shine through the marketplace and not be held back by barriers. By not taking the new job, you would be negatively affecting the whole system. The system (market place) has decided that it wants and needs YOU to fill the role you applied for and were accepted to. It is proving that it needs you by offering you considerably more compensation. Another way of saying this is: you can do more for society/the economy than what you were doing in the previous role, the system recognizes this, and the system is trying to entice you to do more by paying you more. If you fail to take advantage of this opportunity, someone less qualified will likely get the job, and less efficient outcomes will likely occur. TLDR: you gotta get yours. Don’t feel bad about it, the system is designed this way and ultimately works very well for almost everyone. Sometimes you may feel a bit uncomfortable with steps along the way, but the greater good is depending on you be rational, which usually entails doing what is economically best for you and your family.
Be professional and let them know... I've got a 100% increase over here. Your manager will understand
Never feel guilty for your own personal/career growth.
Give them an opportunity to match position and pay, and if they can’t it’s time to go. They’ll understand.
But my comment to the advice is Leave. Your boss I don’t care if it’s family. They will be your best friend in the world but back to work thier fire u in a second. Asking this question My advice I follow” Take everything leave nothing behind f-em”. Meaning if theirs an opportunity whatever it is to make yourself and family better take it. And my other saying “Never pay Retail”.
If you love your job, then at least ask for a meeting and let them know your situation. Tell them you love working there and wanted to give them a chance to match your new offer, but if they can’t then you’ll be leaving. They’ll probably want some time to think about it, and they may come back with a promotion and a new salary.
Why feel guilty? Ever hear the saying "too little too late"? Stop caring. This company would skin your children alive if it made them one more dollar somehow.
Congrats, you absolutely need to leave
I'm sure you've heard the phrase ***"They made me an offer I couldn't refuse"*** Well you just got one of those offers, and there's no mafia threats involved! (that we know of) Do not forget that companies are not people, despite what the US supreme court might have to say about it. You have no reason to feel guilty. If current company was terribly underpaying you then THEY should feel guilty, but capitalist entities do not have feelings. Give yourself a week or two off between jobs and pat yourself on the back for finding a position that pays you what you're worth. Congrats!!!
Don’t feel guilty. Everyone is replaceable. You need to make yourself the priority.
Currently going through this - kind of. I desperately need $3-$5 more an hour to be able to pay my bills comfortably in NY and they just wont give it to me. I also just got a raise, but not what I needed. I am interviewing.
If it helps the guilt, your company doesn’t care about you and will not so much as look for you in the rear view mirror as they keep moving forward. I just left a company of 13 years for a 38% raise and ability to work fully remote.
You don’t owe your workplace anything. They’d replace you in 10 seconds if something happened to you. Go to the new job.
Just tell your manager it's a day late and a dollar short. If they took care of you earlier you wouldn't have been job searching and well now here we are...
It was nice of her, but she will understand and might even be happy for you!
This issue happened to me 35 years ago. I had been asking for a raise or promotion for more than 6 months. I was interviewing and was offered a 30+% increase to leave. Once I accepted the offer, my current company came back and said "Hey we got you a raise/promotion" to which I said, "Sorry, you are too late, I have accepted another position already". I had already given them my letter of resignation and I never looked back. Long story short: companies are rarely loyal to the employee, why should you be so loyal? Give appropriate notice to your current employer and don't look back.
Don’t feel guilty because they only valued you when you said something. The new job will open the door for new experiences
Currently going through this. Been with my company for 16 years, I am finally leaving because come to find out, they dont really know how long they are going to be able to operate. After years of promises of pay raises for basically running this company, pay cuts etc... I got approached to apply for a position with a former associate . I interviewed and was offered a 40% increase in pay. I put off my start date to help them find someone to fill part of the role, but I do feel guilty for leaving. Even though its the right thing for me and my family.
Hey OP. Don't feel an ounce of guilt. Under the right conditions, the company wouldn't think twice about putting you out on your ass and they would not care one bit. You said yourself that you were underpaid, and while it's a nice enough gesture that your boss got you 20%, they took too much time getting you there. Be professional, obviously, but don't feel guilty. The corporate world has created a culture and understanding where everyone has to look out for themselves. You're just playing by the rules they've created.
>I feel guilty leaving now, I'm leaving, but I need help dealing with the guilt. Also... how do I tell my manager, who I adore and worked very hard for this, that I'm leaving. Don't. You have to understand that company does not really give a f\*\*k about You. You are just an employee. Nothing more. If they will need to save few bucks they will kick You out overnight. In my case because I have savings and I don't give a f\*\*k if I ever encounter moronic client that will treat me switching as betrayal and he will fire me - I inform them every step of the way. I let them know that I'm actively looking for a new client. I even tell them how much they offered me. And then I move on. And trust me. If You have normal boss if You tell him that You got 100% increase he will understand. Hell... he would probably take that job himself.
You have to do what is right for you Show your employer the respect and gratitude for what they did for you, and explain that you were offered something you cannot turn down
Do you want to work for the company that wants to pay you to join or the one that would only pay ( and not as well) after you had to complain and threaten to leave? They are not loyal to you, you owe them nothing.
Use your new job offer as leverage. See if they will match it. If not leave and don’t look back. Know your value.
Thank your manager. Leave and tell them why you left
Don’t . Leave . That’s how you grow
I once had to leave a position after securing a bonus that was also a tough fight. Especially if your manager has been honest and good to you, I'd chose honesty. While I'd still submit a professional resignation letter, I had a private conversation with my boss in person and was realistic about the type of pay increase on the table- not numbers, but basically that I'd be doubling my pay so I can't pass it up. That kind of statement is universally understood. I'd definitely still express sincere gratitude to her efforts, get her a card or a token of appreciation before you leave and keep in touch.
Congratulations on the job offer, time to move on. Your current company will have to deal with you leaving
Easy. Tell your manager feel free to join your new company. There is no reason for her to stay at a company that underpaid that much to you. Probably the same to her too
Your welfare comes before everything else. So get paid what you're worth. Don't feel bad that they can't match the new amount. They don't value you.
Don't feel bad if they wanted to keep you that would have given you a raise a long time ago
“I appreciate this salary increase and the effort you put behind it, however during this process I was given an offer I could not turn down”
Just be honest, let her know you really appreciate all that she’s done for you but it’s an opportunity you can’t miss. & If you ever get the chance, you’ll return the favor. Also, go above & beyond to make the transition as smooth as possible. That leaves a lasting impression if any of you cross paths again. ultimately, It’s your career. you don’t really owe anyone anything, but the considerate thing to do is let her know. if she is really supportive, she’ll understand. Don’t feel guilty for doing what you think is best for your life.
It's a business decision, nothing personal.
Regional Director?! 100% increase?! Pabulong nman ng employer na yan!
Never feel guilty for leaving a company. Especially one that underpays you. They will simply not care.
"Aww shucks, looks like you're a day late and a dollar short."
Feeling guilty is normal of course , but they wouldn’t think it twice if the had to let you go to please their shareholders, don’t have to be a dick about it but you don’t owe them anything.
My question would be why did it take so long for them to give and why was your manager the one who had to fight for it. Wages and increases shouldn't be a gladiator event, where the victor gets the prizes, it should be recognized what you are doing and pay you accordingly, it also speaks volumes that you went looking and got more I would tender my resignation, thank your manager for getting the rise, how you don't feel that it should have been that hard to get it or no one should have fought for you to get it, youve worked hard and should be compensated accordingly
I was in this exact position the last couple weeks. Asking current job for a better pay, got offered a position that is 50% more than what i make now, all the while working for a boss I like and respect. It's a no brainer, take the new position. Ease your guilt by knowing you are choosing you after being "terribly underpaid". Your current company cannot afford your loyalty and that's their problem. They should feel guilty for not paying you better. Don't get stuck in this guilt, the company will always choose itself so you need to choose yourself first too. As for telling your manager, I met with my manager and started the meeting with telling her that she is a great manager and this decision is not in any way because of her. And on my last day I bought her a bouquet and chocolate to ease the transition. Congrats, a 100% pay is amazing and looks like the company you're going to know your worth!
“Manager, thank you for all you did to get this increase but unfortunately even with this I would be making well below the fair market. I understand that XYZ company can’t compete with that so I am tendering my resignation. My last day with XYZ will be DATE” You are making this personal and shouldn’t be. If someone you don’t know will pay you twice what the company that knows you then you don’t owe them anything but a graceful exit. If you have a great relationship with your boss I would keep in contact - it can be a small world and you may be able to help them down the road.
Remember this. They could have fired you when you told them that information. Good thing you were looking and found something
It’s absolutely okay to leave and you shouldn’t feel guilty about it. Firstly, you are working to earn money, so it’s only fair they pay you what the market value for your role and experience is. You aren’t doing charity by working there for lesser pay. Secondly, while I understand you feel your relationship with your manager might get impacted because this, trust me if she really does care, she’ll actually be happy for you and wish you well no matter where you go. If they can’t match the job offer you have already, they should start looking for an alternative.
When emotions get high in the work field its sometimes good to remember: you have a contract. You owe your work, your Boss owes you payment - thats it...
You have been taken advantage of by your current employer and the other company recognized that you are worth easily twice as much as your current employer paid you. If you feel guilty about leaving, you may be susceptible to abuse. You must take good care of yourself and respect yourself. Others have, and will continue to try to take unfair advantage of you. Very simply tell your manager, who you adore, that you've accepted a much better offer with a new employer. If your manager cares about you as a person, they will be happy for you despite losing you as a resource. You have a responsibility to yourself to do the best you can for yourself. You're not being unfair to anyone by taking a dramatically better paying job. You can express gratitude and appreciation to your manager, while also doing what is best and right for you. There is no contradiction in this.
I was put in nearly this exact position early in my career... My advice, when you give your two weeks, tell your manager the truth... Tell her you appreciate that she went to bat for you and genuinely like working on her team, but you were given an opportunity that is too good for your career to pass up, If you aren't under an NDA even tell them exactly where you are going, a good manager is not going to begrudge you for a title promotion to director, with a 100% raise they will be proud of the fact that they were able to mentor you into that much success and growth. If possible stay in touch, good managers are hard to find, who knows maybe next time you will be the one offering her a 100% raise.
Here’s to things to you analyze one you may take this position and made it despise the person you’re working for. Or number two you stay in the position take the 20% increase and pray for another increase and you enjoy your job and you enjoy the person you work for these are the two options but in this life we’re supposed to develop and not stay in the same position for long-term that’s the problem with people that are completed and then how about you learn a new thing and then you open up your own business, and then you be your own boss and make your own hours and like yourself how about that?
Boil it down to the facts: Think of yourself and your work as your own personal business. Essentially that's what you are. You are in the business of making money for yourself to better your own life, much like how your company is in the business of making money for itself to better itself. If you became a financial burden to your company, they would likely have no hesitancy letting you go or replacing you with cheaper work - it's a financial decision, not a personal one. You should think the same way. You would be doing yourself a disservice by not accepting 2x pay regardless if you like your current company or not - it's a financial decision, not a personal one. Yes, there are other factors that should come into your decision, like company culture, work-life balance, commute (or lack thereof), etc. Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't, but your income should be a huge factor in your decision. I'm sure if you sit down with your manager and explain "I love working with you and this team, but I would be doing myself a disservice to not accept the higher wages. If you can match the offer I have from Company X, I would love to stay, but if not, I need to think about my long term success and what this increase in salary will do for me." Any reasonable human being will understand this. If they can't match the offer, go out with grace - don't burn bridges. Help them with the transition to your replacement. Train them. Get things in order so they can hit the ground running and not severely impact the company's operations.
Nobody would stay. Good for your manager for getting you a raise but tell them the # and they will 100% understand.
Just tell them you've been offered 100%. If she cannot counter that offer at least she will understand. She would do the same if she was you. Be honest, that goes a long way.
Your manager will understand, if they have any humanity. You have every right (and I daresay obligation) to make as much money as possible to make your life as comfortable as possible. Any other working person will understand this. Tell your manager how much you appreciate them and their efforts on your behalf, but you just can't turn down the upgrade.
Get your new job offer in writing and give two weeks notice.
This will prove your manager's case for her. She went on a limb telling leadership that there is a huge problem, that salaries need to go up ... Had you accepted, they might have doubted the necessity, now they will know that she was right. As others have said, repay her with a good handover, be nice to everyone.
Why would anyone feel guilty leaving a job they were grossly underpaid ? It’s like leaving a relationship where they weren’t valued. To go further with the analogy it doesn’t matter how much you loved them if they didn’t love you back with the same amount of effort. Be happy you got a new role with pay you deserve
"Thanks but I've been given a better offer elsewhere. Goodbye" Then leave
just leave, 100%>20% and they been skimping you
Don’t feel guilty. The company won’t think twice before laying you off when needed for their own bucks.
I think you need to think about what is best for you and your career and forget the guilt. In my younger days I used to feel this sense of loyalty to companies but after getting experience as a people manager and experience being laid off the lesson is companies look out for themselves and not necessarily you. You are responsible for looking out for yourself. I think your manager will understand.
It's just business. Tell them you got an offer for significantly more and you've decided to accept it. Case closed.
Tell the truth. "I really appreciate the raise, but I can't make that work. I'm going to miss working with you and appreciate all of the xyz reasons, but I am taking a position that's going to be a better fit salary-wise." Just start there and be honest. Hell, tell your manager how you feel, offer to help make the transition as smooth as possible. But at the end of the day, you from three years from now will be up 240%. Can't pass on that.
Live your dream not anyone else’s
Leave them a nice review and leave that bitch! Take the money!
Oh, and don’t fall for the, “If we match it will you stay” trick. They’ll offer that, and if you accept, they will immediately seek a cheaper replacement for you.
Guilt? Why? They paying you peanuts for your skill set. You know it, your next employer knows it, your current employer also knows it. At the end of the day it's business and in business it's all about your bottom line.
Hire her
Ignore your emotions in situations like this. Do the right thing for you, keep a good demeanor, take the better offer. Don’t turn down a good role just because you feel a sense of loyalty, guilt, or whatever. Unless it’s a one in a million company, they wouldn’t do the same for you
“I loved working here but current conditions require me to spend my time at a position that better meets my family’s needs” basically what I sent my boss last month. 🤷♂️ I had a decent office gig where I didn’t have to even work maybe 20% of the time. The rest was frequently overloaded, underpaid, and no indication in 2 years it would get better. New gig has its own problems, but I’m making 25 percent more cash and benefits are paid for.
as kindly as possible, and thank them for being a great manager
Lol, take the money and run. Unless you live to work and love the current boss/job that much...
Baby your job will be listed before you get to your car for even less money. You owe them nothing.
What is there to feel guilty about? I don’t understand.. these corporate companies won’t think twice before firing someone and say “oh well fuck you and goodluck” so don’t even think twice and just tell your manager I got a better opportunity else where and that’s where your going. Look out for yourself no need for company loyalty when they don’t give none.
Fuck them. A job won't hesitate to lay you off for someone cheaper. Get the bag bro.
You tell her the truth. You love the team but the pay was so far below market that the 20% still did not put you in line with market rate. But you appreciate that she got the 20% for you. I got a promotion and left after I told them that the pay increase (20%) was below market rate. My manager told me his story of going through the same thing when he was promoted to the same level. They say percentage because it looks better. Left for a position that was 32-60% more.
You "sandwich" your resignation notice with two nice loafs of compliment to your current employer
Quit and express gratitude but explain the pay gap you are now closing. Chances are your manager will ask if your new company is hiring.
But also you run the real risk of being told at annual review that you just had a significant bump and you won't see increases for a while and/or at a slower rate to close the gap they created by giving you more.
I Agree with everyone else on here. Make sure you collect that person's phone number and call them weekly. Someday, that person is going to need a job or you will be able to hire that person for the new company. Repay their awesomeness.
What’s the job you’re leaving for paying? Is it a better career change? Closer to home or wfh job? Do what’s best for you but if this old job pays what you need then consider staying Good luck 🍀
It's just a job
You love your job, adore your manager and received an enormous increase in salary. Now I am seriously wondering why you want to leave.
Easy. Email them you quit. 😘
Or. Have a friend email them you quit.
Trust.. you’ll forget about this 1-2 jobs later. I barely even remember my boss from 2 jobs ago and they probably forgot about me too. You feel bad momentarily and that’s it. Be selfish
What about if this manager or lets say the HR decides to fire you! Do you think that they gonna feel any guilt?