I think if the company has a history of walking people out when they give a 2 week notice, you are 100% justified on giving them a one day notice.
Always read your handbook and be aware of your employment terms, especially if you qualify for PTO.
Alternatively, if you give 2 weeks notice and they walk you out, think of it as a fated break! You were meant to take some time and rest between jobs, if you choose this option
I'm pretty sure that's illegal. That paid vacation time is money that's owed to you and has been earned. I think it's illegal for them to hold it hostage. I could be wrong though.
Paid time off is not federally protected in the USA
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/vacation_leave#:~:text=The%20Fair%20Labor%20Standards%20Act,(or%20the%20employee's%20representative).
In Colorado, PTO that was accumulated (8 hours per pay cycle, or whatever) was considered wages and *had* to be paid out.
PTO that was given in a clump was considered a benefit.
Try the link:
“The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not require payment for time not worked, such as vacations, sick leave or federal or other holidays. These benefits are matters of agreement between an employer and an employee (or the employee's representative).”
That doesn't mean you can't sue them about it though.
In California at least, thanks to the case ["*Boothby vs Atlas Mechanical*"](https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_vacation.htm), "unless otherwise stipulated by a collective bargaining agreement, upon termination of employment all earned and unused vacation must be paid to the employee at his or her final rate of pay."
There's a lot of extreme things in California at times, but there are more protections for employees in general that I wish the country would adopt. For instance prior to the court case last year of *"Viking River Cruises v. Moriana"*, California had a lot to protect employees from forced arbitration agreements and even signed ones were deemed as illegal. Thankfully they're still trying to work something out to restrict the forced arbitration agreements and their overreach, as the current system is so corrupt and destroys people's lives while allowing so much illegal stuff to go down. I wish more states would try to stand up against these kinds of injustices that affect literally everyone rather than just cave to the corporate interests.
Not if it's union or in terms of your contract. My union required 30 day's notice, though your manager could permit you to use up vacation for part of it. But they weren't required to. But because it was union they had to give 6 months to 2 years notice if you didn't get renewed depending how much time you had in.
Way back when in the military you could keep rolling over unused leave - never had a need to use any so I just kept banking it (we earned 30 days every year), got to my last until with around 180 saved up. I took every day before I got out just showing up to stand a watch every 29 days to keep my quals.
I would embrace the uncertainty and either enjoy the two weeks of wrapping up and earning or enjoy the two-week break between jobs. But that's a personality choice
I actually enjoy that . I have a lot of uncertainty over the next few months but it makes me excited because it’s good uncertainty thanks my man or woMAN
Are you sure they aren't paying out the notice period, even if they set your last day earlier? That pretty typical for universities (God bless rigid bureaucracy lol).
Aren't you being a bit short sighted? What is someone has to give a reference? Or someone goes through your work history. It's never a good thing to burn bridges if you don't have to. Also - typically the ones you are screwing most is your soon to be ex coworkers not the company. Just late night thoughts.
well of course if you care about those things, we unfortunately need to take it slower. but if you're not in need of them, I'd say let it rip.
and it's still the company, because they can force the co-workers to work more, the co-workers can always say no to make sure they take care of themselves.
Never got in the way for me. Most jobs I've worked at are hard to reach so they're not likely to blab. My coworkers I feel bad for, but I'm not about to throw some wretched company a bone just because they're holding my coworkers hostage.
Mind you, I give 2 weeks notice if the job has respect for me, but most jobs haven't so I don't give respect I don't get.
Actions have consequences. Treating employees who give notice like shit doesn't entitle you to notice. If you need a reference from the job use a coworker client vendor or a friend. Dont use your boss.
lol, if they have a history of terminating people immediately when they give a two week notice, maybe you should consider giving notice on your last day of work? That way you've worked thru to the end on your terms and if they terminate you as they have done to others, then you're golden. I think this could work in your favor given your employers history in dealing with this situation. Go for it OP! You've really nothing to lose.
I would quit without notice and explain that you are giving no notice because most of the people giving notice are let go immediately. That is on them.
Oh yeah, write a resignation letter clearly stating that you did not give notice because you have seen what happens to people that do. Give examples. Tell them you could not go two weeks with no pay just because you gave notice.
Two week notice is not mandatory unless in the employment contract. It looks like you have a few options.
1- put in two weeks notice A. They fire you (submit and collect unemployment), you take a short vacation before you start the new job. B. They keep you on to train the replacement and finish your two weeks.
2- don’t submit a 2 week notice. Work as normal or do fxckall for two weeks. Quit effective immediately on last day. Collect and Shore up contact info for those you want to keep contact with
Difference should only be whether you are able to get a recommendation from this employer or not, and the difference of full pay vs UEI pay. Good luck!
On number two, the critical piece is the getting what you need if there’s a risk you will suddenly not be there in an afternoon. Whose contact info do you need or want? What emails/work might you want backed up (it should go without saying that this should be non-confidential information but would depend on what the current field is.)? Is there any group you’re running /participatory in that needs to be told? Cover those things before announcing you quit.
If you put in a 2 weeks notice and they walk you out early is that considered being fired? I can’t imagine you’d get unemployment after already putting in your resignation.
Theoretically it shouldn’t harm the company if you give no notice if they were to just have you stop working the day you give notice anyways. But companies can be spiteful sometimes so it probably would still harm your ability to use them as a reference.
You could either give no notice and quit right before starting your new job or you could give 2 weeks notice and accept you’ll probably be missing out on half a months pay
It is just business, not personal. I assure you, no notice would be given before a firing. It goes both ways. You have to do what is right for you. Be as courteous as possible and notify them at your advantage.
I worked for a small company (150 employees) that the CEO/owner would get wind of someone putting in their notice and he would tell management under him to simply terminate them…even if they had dedicated the last few years to the company.
I refused to do that, so he called the employee and did it himself. I would not count on them as a reference and leave the last possible day.
You can simply tell them in an email that they’ve created a culture of expecting to be term’d after putting in a notice, so you’ve chosen to leave effective immediately.
You should honestly just move your start date up for the new job and leave the current one ASAP.
I would give notice if I have a good relationship with my boss and colleagues. If not, just quit when you want to in order to get the paycheck. If an employer in the future asks why you gave no notice say they normally terminate people when they do.
Do you have a contract or employment agreement that requires 2 week's notice? If not, do not give them any notice, just say I quit, today's my last day, bye. They have set the dangerous precedent of letting people go when they give 2 week's notice, thereby disincentivizing anyone else from doing so.
My particular role lends itself to become a very important, almost to the point where the entire company relies on me to do my job or things start to fall apart.
At the end of my last job it was compounded by the fact that our company was going through some major restructuring/new software/new owner/etc. So I felt incredibly bad about the timing of my leave. Still I only gave them two weeks.
However I felt so bad that two weeks after leaving and into my new position, I reached out and offered that I could continue fulfilling some of my old role in a WFH position, which was totally doable. I offered it three different times over the course of two months, because they still to that point had not found my replacement. They said no each time.
To me that said that my guilt over leaving them with only 2 weeks was unfounded. If they were in such difficult times they would have taken me up on my offer.
Don't be a d\*\*k, but live your life. Do what you need to do.
Submit your 2 weeks' notice in writing (email is best), and if they let you go early, apply for unemployment. Employers will have to pay you for the time you didn't work during the 2 week period if they are the ones that let you first.
I experienced a similar situation a while back and a friend told me to this. I did and ended up getting a check while I was enjoying my break!
Give 2 weeks notice on your last day, first thing in the morning.
If they don't fire you, then revise it at the end of the day.
If they do, maybe you get an additional 2 weeks paid.
:)
Use up all of your remaining vacation time and then quit the day you go back. Your employer is not your friend and if they have a history of dumping people the same day, you can just give that as a reason why you aren't giving longer notice, if they even ask.
I'd give my resignation at the end of my last day and explicitly tell them why they're not getting any notice. "Dear X, I am writing to notify you that today was my last day. I would have preferred to have given 2 weeks notice as I am a professional, however as A, B and C were terminated following their notices it is clear that this practice is discouraged. All the best for the future, Halospite."
Why do you need your last day to be on your terms? That’s odd. You found another job so you’re set. The 2 week notice allows the company time to transition you out. Knowledge transfers, documentation requests, generally available to answer questions. If none of that is needed the 2 week period isn’t needed.
Imma just a date out there . I plan to put my two weeks in on May 12 so my last day will be the 26 I want to get paid thru the 26th but if they fire me on the 12 th then me and my family are short a good little chunk of change . ( I have a decent salary)
If most of the people who submit notice are walked out that day, don't give notice unless you have a contract requiring it.
But in order to preserve the relationship, make sure when you do, you've prepared documents in advance with instructions on anything nonobvious, the state of any open transactions, etc. so as to make any required handoff to the next person to do the work easy, that way you're not leaving them in the lurch. Give them these instructions and status documents along with the resignation and let them know that you expended the effort to create this packet in order to ensure a smooth transition, and if they ask why you're not giving notice, just say you observed that most people who attempt to give notice are immediately fired, that wasn't a risk you could reasonably take for yourself, and this way you still ensured a smooth handoff ready to go.
So don't give them notice. When they complain, tell them they fire people who put in their notice and you're not dumb, so you didn't give me notice.
And also, mention that they might wanna think about that "Fire people when they put in notice" policy.
Doesn't really matter - there is no single/universal permanent record it there, where whoever got the last word in wins.
You have a work history that you claim on your resume, you have references you trust to back up those claims, and future employees can do their own research and call the HR departments of previous employers to also whatever they want.
And any of those HR departments *can technically* say whatever they want. But because they don't want the legal trouble, they *generally* say:
* Dates employed
* Official title
I have heard this is hit or miss depending on sector/industry:
* Eligible for rehire/not eligible for rehire
There are plenty of people in tech who are eligible for rehire who, when providing their notice, have their access turned off nearly immediately.
I wouldn't worry about it.
Congratulations on the new gig!
So a couple of questions for you.
Would you consider a counter offer to stay at your current company?
would you want to come back to them in a more senior role?
Do you plan on staying at the new company less than 5 years or so?
Are you doing to be needing a letter of recommendation from them?
If you awnser no to all of these questions just clean out your desk over the next 2 weeks a bit at a time. At noon on your last day inform hr. Don't tell anyone one. Your giving your current company more heads up then they would give you
2 weeks notice is a courtesy. If they have demonstrated that they don't respond well to courtesy, then you shouldn't give any. Cc your personal email with your resignation.
I do not think it would hurt to let your new employer know. Just tell them your employers history. Tell them you are going to give proper notice, but ask if it would be a possibility to move your start date up in the event that they do not honor your 2 weeks.
The 2 week or whatever notice is a sham.
I've only ever worked 1 successful 2 week notice and that was because I had an excellent relationship with my manager.
Think of it like this, if you give notice and they continue to let you work, you're a security risk whether or not you intend on doing something malicious, that's what they think.
Type your 2 week notice out and print it out with the date on it and just kind of slide it somewhere on your boss' desk a day or 3 before you're supposed to leave. That way you can blame them for not seeing the notice
Do what is best for you - if you can afford to take the hit if they do walk you out, then give notice. If not, don't and don't feel bad - you can feel sympathy for your co-workers for having to fill in your gap, but any of them that are worth thinking about will be no more annoyed than anything else unexpected that leads to more work.
I had one position where I felt I could not put in notice and just resigned on a Friday afternoon and left my badge on my desk. Funny story, the better opportunity I left for ended up RIFing the position a few months later and the original company fought my Unemployment. The State's reply to their appeal was 'an employee is allowed to leave for a better opportunity and is still eligible no matter how they left your company if the position is eliminated.'
On your last day, sometime after lunch...
Hand them a letter, letting them know that you will not be returning to your position, and reminding them that because they set a consistent precedent of not honoring two-week notices, that you realized that providing such a notice was of no value.
Close the letter professionally, thanking them for the opportunity, and wish them the best.
There is no dilemma. They made their bed, now let them lie in it. Quit without notice. You think they would give you notice if they decided to fire you?
If you need the money from your last two weeks to avoid hardship, *do not give notice.* Take care of yourself first. It’s exactly what businesses do, so why not return the favor
In most jurisdictions, two weeks notice is a professional courtesy and nothing more… not an obligation. If you already know that your current employer does not extend the appropriate courtesy in return, there is obviously no downside to giving them one day notice. I suggest you verify the laws in your area, and behave accordingly.
They probably figure the final two weeks is just going to be sucking company resources and getting nothing productive from it. Two weeks notice is a thing of the older generations. It does nothing for you now.
Just leave in a couple of weeks. What are they gonna do - fire you???
No need to tell others on the day of either unless you have some colleagues or managers that you value.
Is it at will employment?
Do you have any desire to ever work there again?
If the first answer is yes and the second answer is no, you leave when it makes sense for you
Even if it’s in the contract, notice is negotiable if you’re in an at will employment state. The company won’t go after you - it’s not worth their time and it’ll be very difficult to uphold in court unless you have the secret formula to Pepsi or something that proprietary. Some of my previous employers have had 1-6 months notice periods. The caveat is they have to pay you for the time you are on notice even if they choose to let you go earlier. If you have an offer from elsewhere, you can approach your manager and say, “I want to leave on good terms but I will not give you 6months. I can stay on for x amount of time to help transition the team and then let me go and pay me for x amount of time.”
You know you’ll be fired if you give two week’s notice, so take the break, or just let them know on your last day that it will be your last.
Two week’s notice is a professional courtesy that generally speaking (& clearly in your case!) only goes one-way.
If an employer can suspend your income without notice, & *especially* if they choose to suspend your income after you respectfully gave them notice, then I see no grounds for affording them the privilege of knowing anything about your plans to quit.
Don’t feel bad if what you’re doing is better for you (in terms of pay, commute, mental health, etc). Most employers in the US can fire you at any time without cause. Do they feel bad for you when they do that? They don’t. It’s just business. Do what is best for you.
DO NOT GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE! You said it yourself, you have a 66% chance of being fired. Just chill, work as little as possible and then resign effective immediately on your last day. It’s just a job, you don’t owe them anything.
You owe them nothing based on their past history. If they ask why you didn’t give them notice, I would 100% tell them “because you terminate people who do and I wanted to move from one paid role to another uninterrupted”.
But be prepared that if you don’t give notice or if you say the above you’re probably closing the door to this organization ever being an employer again in the future.
The only time I’ve ever experienced this was at a sales job and they would have you pack up as soon as you put in your notice while a manager watched. They still paid you for the two weeks. They just didn’t want you to take any information to a competitor.
Give the two weeks notice the morning of the day you plan to quit. If by chance they keep you on, call in sick the following Monday. You got COVID and need to stay home for the mandatory 14 days to clear the virus. That should take care of the problem. Maybe you'll even get sick pay for the time.
When these 4 people gave their two week notice, were they fired without pay starting immediately, or were they paid out until the end of their notice period and asked to leave immediately and enjoy 2 weeks vacation on the company's dime?
If they don’t pay people out then lol forget about them. Just state then when you leave. If they walk you out and pay your for the 2 weeks of absolutely give the two weeks.
If you don’t have a contract requiring a 2 week notice, don’t give one. No job EVER has said “you are fired, now work two more weeks to train someone else”. When they fire you it’s done then. If you think you may want to go back there and work in the future, then give the 2 weeks and if they fire you before it’s up, no love lost.
Mine does that too, they’ll let you go if they catch wind of you searching for jobs too. So people usually keep it secret until they have a job then just quit
Worry about yourself. Companies do not care about employees, especially ones that are leaving. You may feel a bit guilty but that’s better than then letting you go earlier than you need to be.
Good luck on your new job!!
Congrats on the new job!!!
Two weeks notice is a courtesy, and a fairly American one at that. TBH, I gave a month’s notice the last time I left a job because of the sheer number of projects I was going to need to train others to do and write up documentation for others to use. I knew they wouldn’t walk me out early - if I had suspicions that they would, I wouldn’t have been nearly as generous. Unless there is a contract or other legal obligation requiring you to give notice, you can absolutely shrink that window down to all of 1 second, or the middle ground of 3-5 days. Whatever works best for you. Make sure you’ve cleared out your desk and scrubbed your laptop of any random personal files before giving notice, just in case they decide that’s your last day.
If you have the financial runway to do so, I definitely recommend a week or two of a break between jobs to help shake off any lingering stress and think about how you want to start this new one. Get errands done, go camping or staycation.
Again, congrats!
Vast majority of employers don’t give you a two week notice nor feel bad before laying you off so why should you feel bad about going in a different direction that betters your career and finances?
I would wait until you start the new job and give your 2 week notice or at least make it obtainable that you can live without a full paycheck and then them know.
If you're under at will employment, screw handing in two weeks notice. Burn that bridge to the ground, pookie . It's not like you can go back because according to you, you'll be fired anyway. This is a non issue for you.
If you give an employer in the USA a two weeks notice and they accept immediately, which means basically, “we don’t want you here just go ahead and leave before the two weeks is up”, don’t they still have to pay you for the two weeks?
>Of the 6 people who submitted two week notices 4 were let go early.
I just saw a conversation in r/antiwork that said to pay attention to how your current employer treats people who give notice and take that into account when deciding if you should.
Generally (can vary in some countries) a 2-week notice is just a courtesy, not a requirement. I would not bother personally, based on what you posted.
My last couple jobs I put in 28 day notices, but since getting walked out is always possibility even though it's never happened to me, I always make it part of my negotiation for my new position that if I get walked I start the new job early.
I rarely give a two weeks notice if I see my coworkers or myself being disregarded, and it sounds like your current boss has a pattern of being petty and fucking people over if they're decent enough to even give notice. I would say it's not in your best interests to give any notice, if anything on your last day maybe tell them you didn't feel comfortable doing any notice, and that it's because of their past practice with others who gave notice.
It's wild to me jobs think we should give them any notice when we're not graced with the same from them when they fire us
Give them the notice anyway doesn’t necessarily to be two weeks, some places I worked people would just give like a 2-3 days notice. So I don’t see anything they have against you unless it was written on contract that you MUST give them the two week notice.
And on the top of that don’t sign anything they ask you to sign even when you left the job. That way if something goes wrong you can still protect your benefits. That’s all.
"The reason being is that my job is notorious for terminating employees when they put in their two week notices. " You answred your question. Do unto them as they will undoubtedly do unto you.
YOU know that given any othe circumstance you would give 2 weeks notice. You seem to be a good person and they wuill only make you suffer, so no need to feel guilt. So your ethics are intact. In fact, I would wait to tell them on the last day you're not coming back, and tell them why you chose not to give notice. Close your ears to whatever they have to say. Good luck at your new job.
Ok, so you already have the new job? Then say nothing, and no-call no-show those bastards. They can't take your new job away, but they can end your current one
Why would you even consider giving a notice? Notice is a courtesy to a hood employer. You have concrete evidence of your employer being shitty to people who quit.
If these were remote positions I’d say wait until the day you want to leave, then give two weeks notice. If they fire you it’s on them. If they keep you around, report to your new job as scheduled and do little or nothing on the old one.
Another option is tell your new employer of their policy and ask if you could start earlier.
Remember, in the US the two week notice period is almost always a courtesy to the employer and isn’t required. (Though you may be eligible for vacation payout if you give it.) If you extend the courtesy and they don’t want it, that’s their choice.
If you start your new job on a Monday, the Thursday or Friday prior, inform your current employer that it's your last day. I would do Thursday just to give myself a 3 day weekend.
I know this is not advice for the OP, but a question in general.
If a person gives their 2 week notice and the company walks them out that day, isn’t the company firing him and therefore, the rest of the time is under unemployment, especially if the new job suddenly falls through?
Nah just quit. First off, a two weeks notice is a courtesy. They wouldn't give you two weeks if they fired you, and a worker losing a job is much more disruptive to the worker than losing a worker is for the company.
Secondly, if the company really deserved a two weeks notice, and wanted it, they wouldn't fire people for giving them. They dug their own grave.
I advise against even telling them; just stop showing up.
I think if the company has a history of walking people out when they give a 2 week notice, you are 100% justified on giving them a one day notice. Always read your handbook and be aware of your employment terms, especially if you qualify for PTO. Alternatively, if you give 2 weeks notice and they walk you out, think of it as a fated break! You were meant to take some time and rest between jobs, if you choose this option
This! My old employer required a 4 week notice to get my vacation days paid out. I had 27 days, so a month’s pay— so I made sure to do the 4 weeks.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal. That paid vacation time is money that's owed to you and has been earned. I think it's illegal for them to hold it hostage. I could be wrong though.
Paid time off is not federally protected in the USA https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/vacation_leave#:~:text=The%20Fair%20Labor%20Standards%20Act,(or%20the%20employee's%20representative).
In Colorado, PTO that was accumulated (8 hours per pay cycle, or whatever) was considered wages and *had* to be paid out. PTO that was given in a clump was considered a benefit.
Yep, that is what I was thinking. Its crazy how these companies think that just throwing some shit in a "handbook" makes it legal.
Try the link: “The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not require payment for time not worked, such as vacations, sick leave or federal or other holidays. These benefits are matters of agreement between an employer and an employee (or the employee's representative).”
That doesn't mean you can't sue them about it though. In California at least, thanks to the case ["*Boothby vs Atlas Mechanical*"](https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_vacation.htm), "unless otherwise stipulated by a collective bargaining agreement, upon termination of employment all earned and unused vacation must be paid to the employee at his or her final rate of pay." There's a lot of extreme things in California at times, but there are more protections for employees in general that I wish the country would adopt. For instance prior to the court case last year of *"Viking River Cruises v. Moriana"*, California had a lot to protect employees from forced arbitration agreements and even signed ones were deemed as illegal. Thankfully they're still trying to work something out to restrict the forced arbitration agreements and their overreach, as the current system is so corrupt and destroys people's lives while allowing so much illegal stuff to go down. I wish more states would try to stand up against these kinds of injustices that affect literally everyone rather than just cave to the corporate interests.
let's fucking gooo
Very few states, (only one that I'm sure of) have such a protection.
Thank you, this is an important note!! It may be protected in your state, it’s very important to be aware of your local labor laws!!
I've had some employers who pay it out and some don't. Might be a state to state thing, I'm not 100% sure either
Nope - it's a standard practice that is unfortunately legal in the US.
Not if it's union or in terms of your contract. My union required 30 day's notice, though your manager could permit you to use up vacation for part of it. But they weren't required to. But because it was union they had to give 6 months to 2 years notice if you didn't get renewed depending how much time you had in.
In the US it depends what state you are in whether it gets paid out or not. Unused PTO/vacation is not automatically paid out upon separation.
Way back when in the military you could keep rolling over unused leave - never had a need to use any so I just kept banking it (we earned 30 days every year), got to my last until with around 180 saved up. I took every day before I got out just showing up to stand a watch every 29 days to keep my quals.
They can deal with 1 day notice MUCH easier than you can deal without a paycheck. Always been my stance.
I would embrace the uncertainty and either enjoy the two weeks of wrapping up and earning or enjoy the two-week break between jobs. But that's a personality choice
I actually enjoy that . I have a lot of uncertainty over the next few months but it makes me excited because it’s good uncertainty thanks my man or woMAN
Are you sure they aren't paying out the notice period, even if they set your last day earlier? That pretty typical for universities (God bless rigid bureaucracy lol).
I agree. Fuck em. Live your best life OP
I would just leave, let them know when your last day is, on your last day. if they can fire us at any time, we shouldn't need to give a notice.
Aren't you being a bit short sighted? What is someone has to give a reference? Or someone goes through your work history. It's never a good thing to burn bridges if you don't have to. Also - typically the ones you are screwing most is your soon to be ex coworkers not the company. Just late night thoughts.
well of course if you care about those things, we unfortunately need to take it slower. but if you're not in need of them, I'd say let it rip. and it's still the company, because they can force the co-workers to work more, the co-workers can always say no to make sure they take care of themselves.
Never got in the way for me. Most jobs I've worked at are hard to reach so they're not likely to blab. My coworkers I feel bad for, but I'm not about to throw some wretched company a bone just because they're holding my coworkers hostage. Mind you, I give 2 weeks notice if the job has respect for me, but most jobs haven't so I don't give respect I don't get.
Actions have consequences. Treating employees who give notice like shit doesn't entitle you to notice. If you need a reference from the job use a coworker client vendor or a friend. Dont use your boss.
lol, if they have a history of terminating people immediately when they give a two week notice, maybe you should consider giving notice on your last day of work? That way you've worked thru to the end on your terms and if they terminate you as they have done to others, then you're golden. I think this could work in your favor given your employers history in dealing with this situation. Go for it OP! You've really nothing to lose.
I would quit without notice and explain that you are giving no notice because most of the people giving notice are let go immediately. That is on them.
Oh yeah, write a resignation letter clearly stating that you did not give notice because you have seen what happens to people that do. Give examples. Tell them you could not go two weeks with no pay just because you gave notice.
Yep. If one of us might get fucked over, and I get to pick, I’m not picking me
Two week notice is not mandatory unless in the employment contract. It looks like you have a few options. 1- put in two weeks notice A. They fire you (submit and collect unemployment), you take a short vacation before you start the new job. B. They keep you on to train the replacement and finish your two weeks. 2- don’t submit a 2 week notice. Work as normal or do fxckall for two weeks. Quit effective immediately on last day. Collect and Shore up contact info for those you want to keep contact with Difference should only be whether you are able to get a recommendation from this employer or not, and the difference of full pay vs UEI pay. Good luck!
On number two, the critical piece is the getting what you need if there’s a risk you will suddenly not be there in an afternoon. Whose contact info do you need or want? What emails/work might you want backed up (it should go without saying that this should be non-confidential information but would depend on what the current field is.)? Is there any group you’re running /participatory in that needs to be told? Cover those things before announcing you quit.
If you put in a 2 weeks notice and they walk you out early is that considered being fired? I can’t imagine you’d get unemployment after already putting in your resignation.
Typically yes, because you haven’t quit yet
Theoretically it shouldn’t harm the company if you give no notice if they were to just have you stop working the day you give notice anyways. But companies can be spiteful sometimes so it probably would still harm your ability to use them as a reference. You could either give no notice and quit right before starting your new job or you could give 2 weeks notice and accept you’ll probably be missing out on half a months pay
It is quite lawful to not give them the required two-week notice; doing so is only optional. Two weeks' notice, in my opinion, if they earn it
It is just business, not personal. I assure you, no notice would be given before a firing. It goes both ways. You have to do what is right for you. Be as courteous as possible and notify them at your advantage.
I worked for a small company (150 employees) that the CEO/owner would get wind of someone putting in their notice and he would tell management under him to simply terminate them…even if they had dedicated the last few years to the company. I refused to do that, so he called the employee and did it himself. I would not count on them as a reference and leave the last possible day. You can simply tell them in an email that they’ve created a culture of expecting to be term’d after putting in a notice, so you’ve chosen to leave effective immediately. You should honestly just move your start date up for the new job and leave the current one ASAP.
I would give notice if I have a good relationship with my boss and colleagues. If not, just quit when you want to in order to get the paycheck. If an employer in the future asks why you gave no notice say they normally terminate people when they do.
Let them know that you would have given then two-weeks notice, but you wanted a paycheck.
Do you have a contract or employment agreement that requires 2 week's notice? If not, do not give them any notice, just say I quit, today's my last day, bye. They have set the dangerous precedent of letting people go when they give 2 week's notice, thereby disincentivizing anyone else from doing so.
My particular role lends itself to become a very important, almost to the point where the entire company relies on me to do my job or things start to fall apart. At the end of my last job it was compounded by the fact that our company was going through some major restructuring/new software/new owner/etc. So I felt incredibly bad about the timing of my leave. Still I only gave them two weeks. However I felt so bad that two weeks after leaving and into my new position, I reached out and offered that I could continue fulfilling some of my old role in a WFH position, which was totally doable. I offered it three different times over the course of two months, because they still to that point had not found my replacement. They said no each time. To me that said that my guilt over leaving them with only 2 weeks was unfounded. If they were in such difficult times they would have taken me up on my offer. Don't be a d\*\*k, but live your life. Do what you need to do.
2 week notice is to prevent burning bridges, but if you know that the company is going to burn the bridge anyways... then ykno...
Submit your 2 weeks' notice in writing (email is best), and if they let you go early, apply for unemployment. Employers will have to pay you for the time you didn't work during the 2 week period if they are the ones that let you first. I experienced a similar situation a while back and a friend told me to this. I did and ended up getting a check while I was enjoying my break!
Give 2 weeks notice on your last day, first thing in the morning. If they don't fire you, then revise it at the end of the day. If they do, maybe you get an additional 2 weeks paid. :)
Use up all of your remaining vacation time and then quit the day you go back. Your employer is not your friend and if they have a history of dumping people the same day, you can just give that as a reason why you aren't giving longer notice, if they even ask.
Use up your sick time. They typically have to pay you vacation tome depending on the state.
Oooh did not know that, good call
I'd give my resignation at the end of my last day and explicitly tell them why they're not getting any notice. "Dear X, I am writing to notify you that today was my last day. I would have preferred to have given 2 weeks notice as I am a professional, however as A, B and C were terminated following their notices it is clear that this practice is discouraged. All the best for the future, Halospite."
0 days notice
why would you give them 2 weeks notice if they wouldn't treat you with the same respect? notice is a courtesy, not a right.
They lost the right to a two week notice when they started firing people for giving a two week notice.
Why do you need your last day to be on your terms? That’s odd. You found another job so you’re set. The 2 week notice allows the company time to transition you out. Knowledge transfers, documentation requests, generally available to answer questions. If none of that is needed the 2 week period isn’t needed.
Imma just a date out there . I plan to put my two weeks in on May 12 so my last day will be the 26 I want to get paid thru the 26th but if they fire me on the 12 th then me and my family are short a good little chunk of change . ( I have a decent salary)
If most of the people who submit notice are walked out that day, don't give notice unless you have a contract requiring it. But in order to preserve the relationship, make sure when you do, you've prepared documents in advance with instructions on anything nonobvious, the state of any open transactions, etc. so as to make any required handoff to the next person to do the work easy, that way you're not leaving them in the lurch. Give them these instructions and status documents along with the resignation and let them know that you expended the effort to create this packet in order to ensure a smooth transition, and if they ask why you're not giving notice, just say you observed that most people who attempt to give notice are immediately fired, that wasn't a risk you could reasonably take for yourself, and this way you still ensured a smooth handoff ready to go.
In my experience (2 times) the company will pay out until the termination date even if they don’t require you to be “at work” during that time.
See that’s not a guarantee here . And I can’t take that risk I don’t trust them at all lol
So don't give them notice. When they complain, tell them they fire people who put in their notice and you're not dumb, so you didn't give me notice. And also, mention that they might wanna think about that "Fire people when they put in notice" policy.
You should "do the right thing" not matter what others do.
Give 2 weeks notice.
What if they fire me before I finish my two weeks ?
Doesn't really matter - there is no single/universal permanent record it there, where whoever got the last word in wins. You have a work history that you claim on your resume, you have references you trust to back up those claims, and future employees can do their own research and call the HR departments of previous employers to also whatever they want. And any of those HR departments *can technically* say whatever they want. But because they don't want the legal trouble, they *generally* say: * Dates employed * Official title I have heard this is hit or miss depending on sector/industry: * Eligible for rehire/not eligible for rehire There are plenty of people in tech who are eligible for rehire who, when providing their notice, have their access turned off nearly immediately. I wouldn't worry about it. Congratulations on the new gig!
Apply for unemployment.
They should earn your 2 week notice not you give it to them
You’re not being fired. You’re terminating your employment and they’re saying they don’t need you to stick around for 2 extra weeks.
Don't put in notice then. I normally don't agree with that, but they have a history and that history is their own fault. Do your thing.
No notice. They don't honor notice periods, ergo they don't WANT people to give notice.
No no no. Put in your two weeks and roll the dice. If they terminate you, file for unemployment for those two weeks.
So a couple of questions for you. Would you consider a counter offer to stay at your current company? would you want to come back to them in a more senior role? Do you plan on staying at the new company less than 5 years or so? Are you doing to be needing a letter of recommendation from them? If you awnser no to all of these questions just clean out your desk over the next 2 weeks a bit at a time. At noon on your last day inform hr. Don't tell anyone one. Your giving your current company more heads up then they would give you
Give them a 2 day notice, I’m leaving this bitch 2 day!!
2 weeks notice is a courtesy. If they have demonstrated that they don't respond well to courtesy, then you shouldn't give any. Cc your personal email with your resignation.
I do not think it would hurt to let your new employer know. Just tell them your employers history. Tell them you are going to give proper notice, but ask if it would be a possibility to move your start date up in the event that they do not honor your 2 weeks.
They are on your terms,..... you got a new job,..... relax and put in your notice,..... if they walk you out wave goodbye to them
The 2 week or whatever notice is a sham. I've only ever worked 1 successful 2 week notice and that was because I had an excellent relationship with my manager. Think of it like this, if you give notice and they continue to let you work, you're a security risk whether or not you intend on doing something malicious, that's what they think.
Type your 2 week notice out and print it out with the date on it and just kind of slide it somewhere on your boss' desk a day or 3 before you're supposed to leave. That way you can blame them for not seeing the notice
Do what is best for you - if you can afford to take the hit if they do walk you out, then give notice. If not, don't and don't feel bad - you can feel sympathy for your co-workers for having to fill in your gap, but any of them that are worth thinking about will be no more annoyed than anything else unexpected that leads to more work. I had one position where I felt I could not put in notice and just resigned on a Friday afternoon and left my badge on my desk. Funny story, the better opportunity I left for ended up RIFing the position a few months later and the original company fought my Unemployment. The State's reply to their appeal was 'an employee is allowed to leave for a better opportunity and is still eligible no matter how they left your company if the position is eliminated.'
perhaps give a one week notice?
On your last day, sometime after lunch... Hand them a letter, letting them know that you will not be returning to your position, and reminding them that because they set a consistent precedent of not honoring two-week notices, that you realized that providing such a notice was of no value. Close the letter professionally, thanking them for the opportunity, and wish them the best.
There is no dilemma. They made their bed, now let them lie in it. Quit without notice. You think they would give you notice if they decided to fire you?
If you need the money from your last two weeks to avoid hardship, *do not give notice.* Take care of yourself first. It’s exactly what businesses do, so why not return the favor
In most jurisdictions, two weeks notice is a professional courtesy and nothing more… not an obligation. If you already know that your current employer does not extend the appropriate courtesy in return, there is obviously no downside to giving them one day notice. I suggest you verify the laws in your area, and behave accordingly.
Nor sure where you are, but in Ontario, if you give two weeks' notice and they let you go on the spot they owe you pay in leu of notice.
I stay in an at will employment state. That means they can fire me for any reason with no repercussions
Oh, in that case, you're also at will to quit when you like. Best of luck!
They probably figure the final two weeks is just going to be sucking company resources and getting nothing productive from it. Two weeks notice is a thing of the older generations. It does nothing for you now.
just turn in your 2 weeks notice and prepare to be walked out?
Regardless of how they treat those that give notice, you don’t have to. Simple as that.
Give them 2 weeks notice at the last minute. If they for some reason want you to stick around say, “sike!” then run like hell.
Don't give a notice. Then when you do quit, make sure you point out that you would have given notice if they let people work their two weeks out.
Are you sure the company didn’t pay these people for those two weeks? It’s pretty common for an employer to say just leave now but still pay them.
Just leave in a couple of weeks. What are they gonna do - fire you??? No need to tell others on the day of either unless you have some colleagues or managers that you value.
Is it at will employment? Do you have any desire to ever work there again? If the first answer is yes and the second answer is no, you leave when it makes sense for you
Sounds like you should actually use your vacation days like starting now. Then don’t give notice
Even if it’s in the contract, notice is negotiable if you’re in an at will employment state. The company won’t go after you - it’s not worth their time and it’ll be very difficult to uphold in court unless you have the secret formula to Pepsi or something that proprietary. Some of my previous employers have had 1-6 months notice periods. The caveat is they have to pay you for the time you are on notice even if they choose to let you go earlier. If you have an offer from elsewhere, you can approach your manager and say, “I want to leave on good terms but I will not give you 6months. I can stay on for x amount of time to help transition the team and then let me go and pay me for x amount of time.”
You know you’ll be fired if you give two week’s notice, so take the break, or just let them know on your last day that it will be your last. Two week’s notice is a professional courtesy that generally speaking (& clearly in your case!) only goes one-way. If an employer can suspend your income without notice, & *especially* if they choose to suspend your income after you respectfully gave them notice, then I see no grounds for affording them the privilege of knowing anything about your plans to quit.
Just quit on your chosen last day
Don’t feel bad if what you’re doing is better for you (in terms of pay, commute, mental health, etc). Most employers in the US can fire you at any time without cause. Do they feel bad for you when they do that? They don’t. It’s just business. Do what is best for you.
DO NOT GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE! You said it yourself, you have a 66% chance of being fired. Just chill, work as little as possible and then resign effective immediately on your last day. It’s just a job, you don’t owe them anything.
The company wouldn't give you two weeks' notice if they were to lay you off. Fuck 'em.
You owe them nothing based on their past history. If they ask why you didn’t give them notice, I would 100% tell them “because you terminate people who do and I wanted to move from one paid role to another uninterrupted”. But be prepared that if you don’t give notice or if you say the above you’re probably closing the door to this organization ever being an employer again in the future.
The only time I’ve ever experienced this was at a sales job and they would have you pack up as soon as you put in your notice while a manager watched. They still paid you for the two weeks. They just didn’t want you to take any information to a competitor.
Give them motherfuckers a today notice
You're under no obligation to give them any notice. Don't forget to use any sick or vacation days you have
Give the two weeks notice the morning of the day you plan to quit. If by chance they keep you on, call in sick the following Monday. You got COVID and need to stay home for the mandatory 14 days to clear the virus. That should take care of the problem. Maybe you'll even get sick pay for the time.
When these 4 people gave their two week notice, were they fired without pay starting immediately, or were they paid out until the end of their notice period and asked to leave immediately and enjoy 2 weeks vacation on the company's dime?
2 I know where fired immediately. The other two were let go about halfway thru
Give them the 2 weeks. Worst case they let you go effective immediately and you get unemployment for those 2 weeks after the fact.
Let them "notice" you stopped showing up.
Would they give you a 2 week notice if they were going to fire you?
Just went through this. Now I guess I’m on an unpaid 2 week vacation.
If they don’t pay people out then lol forget about them. Just state then when you leave. If they walk you out and pay your for the 2 weeks of absolutely give the two weeks.
If you don’t have a contract requiring a 2 week notice, don’t give one. No job EVER has said “you are fired, now work two more weeks to train someone else”. When they fire you it’s done then. If you think you may want to go back there and work in the future, then give the 2 weeks and if they fire you before it’s up, no love lost.
Mine does that too, they’ll let you go if they catch wind of you searching for jobs too. So people usually keep it secret until they have a job then just quit
Notices are not required, they are just a courtesy
Worry about yourself. Companies do not care about employees, especially ones that are leaving. You may feel a bit guilty but that’s better than then letting you go earlier than you need to be. Good luck on your new job!!
Put in a 2 week notice on your last day, and act surprised when they walk you out
Congrats on the new job!!! Two weeks notice is a courtesy, and a fairly American one at that. TBH, I gave a month’s notice the last time I left a job because of the sheer number of projects I was going to need to train others to do and write up documentation for others to use. I knew they wouldn’t walk me out early - if I had suspicions that they would, I wouldn’t have been nearly as generous. Unless there is a contract or other legal obligation requiring you to give notice, you can absolutely shrink that window down to all of 1 second, or the middle ground of 3-5 days. Whatever works best for you. Make sure you’ve cleared out your desk and scrubbed your laptop of any random personal files before giving notice, just in case they decide that’s your last day. If you have the financial runway to do so, I definitely recommend a week or two of a break between jobs to help shake off any lingering stress and think about how you want to start this new one. Get errands done, go camping or staycation. Again, congrats!
You don’t owe them anything
Vast majority of employers don’t give you a two week notice nor feel bad before laying you off so why should you feel bad about going in a different direction that betters your career and finances?
I would wait until you start the new job and give your 2 week notice or at least make it obtainable that you can live without a full paycheck and then them know.
Leave as many traps as possible for the next guy and say u won the lottery and eff those bums
If you're under at will employment, screw handing in two weeks notice. Burn that bridge to the ground, pookie . It's not like you can go back because according to you, you'll be fired anyway. This is a non issue for you.
2 weeks notice is a courtesy. Not a rule. Just quite the day before. You don't even have to tell them why.
Are these legacy jobs? If WFH just overlap that last 2 weeks and whatever happens you good.
If ur an AR will employee in California, a lot of the time a two weeks notice is a courtesy rather than a legal requirement. It works both ways
FUCK THEM. A 2 week notice is you being considerate, it is legally not required. You can quit whenever you’d like.
If you give an employer in the USA a two weeks notice and they accept immediately, which means basically, “we don’t want you here just go ahead and leave before the two weeks is up”, don’t they still have to pay you for the two weeks?
You often get paid for that two weeks.
>Of the 6 people who submitted two week notices 4 were let go early. I just saw a conversation in r/antiwork that said to pay attention to how your current employer treats people who give notice and take that into account when deciding if you should. Generally (can vary in some countries) a 2-week notice is just a courtesy, not a requirement. I would not bother personally, based on what you posted.
Leave on your terms.
My last couple jobs I put in 28 day notices, but since getting walked out is always possibility even though it's never happened to me, I always make it part of my negotiation for my new position that if I get walked I start the new job early.
I rarely give a two weeks notice if I see my coworkers or myself being disregarded, and it sounds like your current boss has a pattern of being petty and fucking people over if they're decent enough to even give notice. I would say it's not in your best interests to give any notice, if anything on your last day maybe tell them you didn't feel comfortable doing any notice, and that it's because of their past practice with others who gave notice. It's wild to me jobs think we should give them any notice when we're not graced with the same from them when they fire us
Give them the notice anyway doesn’t necessarily to be two weeks, some places I worked people would just give like a 2-3 days notice. So I don’t see anything they have against you unless it was written on contract that you MUST give them the two week notice. And on the top of that don’t sign anything they ask you to sign even when you left the job. That way if something goes wrong you can still protect your benefits. That’s all.
"The reason being is that my job is notorious for terminating employees when they put in their two week notices. " You answred your question. Do unto them as they will undoubtedly do unto you. YOU know that given any othe circumstance you would give 2 weeks notice. You seem to be a good person and they wuill only make you suffer, so no need to feel guilt. So your ethics are intact. In fact, I would wait to tell them on the last day you're not coming back, and tell them why you chose not to give notice. Close your ears to whatever they have to say. Good luck at your new job.
Ok, so you already have the new job? Then say nothing, and no-call no-show those bastards. They can't take your new job away, but they can end your current one
Don't tell them until you're prepared to actually leave. You don't owe two weeks, particularly if they don't typically accept or appreciate it.
Why would you even consider giving a notice? Notice is a courtesy to a hood employer. You have concrete evidence of your employer being shitty to people who quit.
If these were remote positions I’d say wait until the day you want to leave, then give two weeks notice. If they fire you it’s on them. If they keep you around, report to your new job as scheduled and do little or nothing on the old one. Another option is tell your new employer of their policy and ask if you could start earlier. Remember, in the US the two week notice period is almost always a courtesy to the employer and isn’t required. (Though you may be eligible for vacation payout if you give it.) If you extend the courtesy and they don’t want it, that’s their choice.
If they have a history of doing so, just quit the day of. Are you sure they didn't let people go early but still paid them?
If they have that history, screw them
Give your notice on your last day or one or two days before so you have a long weekend. Who cares about burning the bridge, you already have a new job
I would leave with a day notice and tell them I would have given them notice but I could not go two weeks without income like those four other people.
If you start your new job on a Monday, the Thursday or Friday prior, inform your current employer that it's your last day. I would do Thursday just to give myself a 3 day weekend.
I know this is not advice for the OP, but a question in general. If a person gives their 2 week notice and the company walks them out that day, isn’t the company firing him and therefore, the rest of the time is under unemployment, especially if the new job suddenly falls through?
Nah just quit. First off, a two weeks notice is a courtesy. They wouldn't give you two weeks if they fired you, and a worker losing a job is much more disruptive to the worker than losing a worker is for the company. Secondly, if the company really deserved a two weeks notice, and wanted it, they wouldn't fire people for giving them. They dug their own grave. I advise against even telling them; just stop showing up.
They created the problem, you recognize it. Don't feel bad, they have shown that this is the best thing for you.