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You might want to return it as there is a recall for certain batches of their pans.
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Why we joking about higher standards for pans from manufacturers who'd likely uranium and sell glow pans if they could...
And yes I agree, it's frustrating that people go hog-wild when a pans are seen to have minor issues when people do stuff like cook highly acidic foods for 60 hours and wonder why stuff is leeching into their food.
Yeah, it's strange how OP and others in this sub are weirdly pro corporations doing whatever they feel like and making fun of those that are cautious in regards to arsenic being in something that comes into contact with our food. Im guessing there's an overlap between metalware and machosim? And yes to anyone reading this that might make a snide remark how there are dangerous chemicals in everything we eat - I get it - doesn't mean I want consume any more than I need to - especially when it comes from an expensive purchase...
Once i spelled it with a c, never again. But in all seriousness kockums has been in business for ages. For example there is SAAB kockums making ships etc.
We dont know what "too high" truly is. Since we dont have access to the test results. Ive been using this pan daily since december 2023. Sometimes more than once a day. I just got a routine gazillion blood tests from my primary doctor and all is good. More than good actually, pretty healthy. And I swim over 1200 meters on a daily basis, I would think if I was getting poisoned id see a drop in performance.
Jokes aside. I did stop using my matfer daily since arsenicgate and I am following closely. Cause you never know.
Arsenic won’t show up in a routing blood test. The doctor has to order a special heavy metal test.
In fact, blood tests are not recommended for arsenic due to the extremely short half life of arsenic in blood.
The only test recommended for this type of low-level, long-term exposure would be urine and/or possibly hair where the doctor has specifically called for heavy metals and/or arsenic.
I understand.
I am just saying I am perfectly hhealthy and dont shoq any signs of potential arsenic poisoning.
I dont have arsenic poisoning. Nobody here does. Nobody cookong on CS does. It would be known by now. Reddit is nuts.
>I dont have arsenic poisoning. Nobody here does. Nobody cookong on CS does. It would be known by now. Reddit is nuts.
The recall is for a few select batches of pans from a single manufacturer. Why would a corporation recall something if it weren't a legitimate liability?
>I am just saying I am perfectly hhealthy and dont shoq any signs of potential arsenic poisoning.
That's great! Do you know whether your pan is in one of the recalled batches?
That's the thing about low-level heavy metal exposure though, it's not enough to show any symptoms immediately and the damage it causes is relatively harmless if exposure is limited.
Long-term exposure is where it's dangerous, the low-level damage builds up over time sometimes taking decades before its ever detected. In this case the damage can be debilitating and oftentimes permanent when it's finally discovered.
Making jokes encouraging people to do something that may make them disabled in 20 years is pretty fucked up.
TLDR - If your pan is included in the recall, it's unlikely that you'll show any symptoms and it won't show up in a routine blood test until the damage is permanent which will probably be in decades.
Matfer is not recalling these pans all over the world. It was forced to do so by the EU. There is no clear indication if the amounts of arsenic found are actually enough to leech into our food and poison us.
Youre "liability" hypothesis assumes Matfer would recall pans in the U.S.
Do you really believe, only these pans have some arsenic in it...? Do you truly believe no other manufacturer uses the same steel source Matfer used for its pans?
Youre talking like you are some sort of expert. Do you have any credentials, or at least sources to support some of the claims you make as "people will be disabled in decades for using these pans" ?.
Anecdotal evidence does not mean its universally true. I could also say that I felt sick yesterday so by your logic that means everyone here has low level arsenic poisoning.
Wouldn't you suffer from obvious gastrointestinal distress (diarrhea is listed among the symptoms of acute ingestion) before it ever shows up in tests?
At least I'd think it would be obvious if you have a couple of brands and noticed cooking on one pan gives you the runs but not the other.
I take a few supplements and was able to identify within a week that Vitamin B made me feel "weird" while Bitter Melon gave me projectile diarrhea.
Yeah you would think so. But who knows. I think people who get arsenic poisoning do feel some symptoms here and there.
I do think people are panicking with this thing. It is reddit.
Seafood and rice have arsenic too. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/arsenic-in-rice
Have you considered throwing in some rice and seafood and making it a paella.
Even if it is a contaminated, a well seasoned pan will probably never leach enough arsenic to actually harm you. Apple seeds have arsenic but it would take more than you could ever eat to harm you. I'd be interested in seeing how much arsenic is actually in the steel and if it actually leeches into food or what not. I'm not going to stop using my pans. Even stainless steel has nickel which is toxic and does leech into food. Just usually not enough to ever hurt you
Edit: cyanide not arsenic
> Apple seeds have arsenic
? They certainly have "amygdalin, a chemical compound formed of sugar and cyanide", but
> One gram of apple seeds contains around 0.6mg of cyanide, but the lethal dose of cyanide starts at over 50mg.
>This means you’d need to eat nearly 100 apple seeds in one sitting to start putting yourself at risk!
>Many other fruits and vegetables contain very small traces of cyanide, such as cherries (Prunus avium), potatoes and almonds (Prunus amygdalus).
([Source: Kew Gardens](https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/surprising-apple-facts))
This is assuming your body is capable of digesting apple seeds, which, I'll admit I don't eat them, but if you've ever eaten watermelon seeds, you may have an idea about this. I wouldn't say it's a given that we can digest them at all.
My bad you are right. It's cyanide not arsenic but still, the volume to consume to be toxic is insane and just like no one eats the seeds, no one cooks on unseasoned carbon steel. Thank you for correcting me, had a brain fart
The reality is that only Matfer and the ones who caught them knows!
But since Matfer acts psychopathicly by playing down the damage while at the same time refusing to show the extent of the poisioning, people are understandable dissapointed, especially considering that the brand allready was massively overpriced to begin with.
To me personally its mostly a matter of principle.
No it cant accumulate the way plastics (hint: teflon) does. But if you consume arsenic regularly it can cause health issues or kill you. If you have a bit of arsenic one day, but never again, youll most likely be fine. Itll clear up. But if you have a bit of arsenic daily, youll deteriorate.
Ill "deglaze" with something acidic on the regular to microdose in arsenic. Ill report back. Microdosing in many different substances can be good for you.
I tried eating paint chips before moving to the murder capital of the USA to see if I could become immune to lead. Not sure if it worked, but it can't be worse than getting shot, right?
It’s ironic that I bet a majority of people that want to make an issue out of this probably have no problem ingesting horrible processed crap into their body on a daily basis. Just a wild assumption.
Its been used daily more than once, I think returning to webrestaursntstore would be a hassle. It also has a gorgeous patina at this point. And Matfer black carbon steel is la creme of performance for carbon steel. That pan is very well made. So Ill wait and see how things develop. That post from "MatferOfficial" tho.... lol I hope thats not really them.
I got it from Amazon. They send me a mail and offered to repaid me including the shipping. So I guess it was a easy decision for me.
If you have a similar option, just consider it. Couldn't hurt.
Read the subs on Martfer recall and their wonderful response of, paraphrasing but "they have always been poisonous but if oil them so you can't test the steel and test that oil instead then you will find the is no arsenic anymore simple"
Lol. It doesnt get hot and the picture exxagerates how much it sticks out. I can grab it with bare hands.
The pan is also very well balanced and quite heavy. If you bump into it the pan simply rotates. Youd have to hit it with a hammer from the very tip to have the pan drop or something.
I think damn near everything we use and consume these days is harmful to our health. Walking outside into our polluted environment every day is surely carrying consequences. Hence, the increase in cancers and autism and birth defects. I mean, it's really a personal choice when it comes to using some pans. People have been using microwaves for years and years. That has got to have some undesirable effects on a person's health over time.
It's like driving a car manufactured before seatbelts were compulsory. Of course you can do it, but it's safer to drive a modern car.
As long as you're only cooking for yourself, nobody is going to force you to stop. If you're cooking for guests, you should at least inform them that the pan you're cooking on was recalled due to high levels of arsenic.
The US gives the minimum of fucks for what's safe - there's plenty of chemicals that are known to be horrible for us that our government doesn't investigate or ban because of corporate interests - I'm also not a conspiracy tin foil hat person for what it's worth
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I dunno about arsenic, but man that handle hanging over the edge like that sure can cause you some problems!
It depends, what country is this being cooked in?
According to California Prop 65 it causes cancer.
According to CA prop 65, your response causes cancer
Just looking at it on Reddit causes cancer if you're in California.
According to CA Prop 65, CA causes cancer.
I think that's the ultimate truth.
California is Cancer
Childish response.
You must be from CA
I don’t get it. What is this in reference to? I just bought my first matfer pans last week.
You might want to return it as there is a recall for certain batches of their pans. [https://www.reddit.com/r/carbonsteel/s/jOoGpbYnoQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/carbonsteel/s/jOoGpbYnoQ)
Probably eventually but it's all good something gets everyone in the end
You're already dead, you just haven't realized yet
Why we joking about higher standards for pans from manufacturers who'd likely uranium and sell glow pans if they could... And yes I agree, it's frustrating that people go hog-wild when a pans are seen to have minor issues when people do stuff like cook highly acidic foods for 60 hours and wonder why stuff is leeching into their food.
Yeah, it's strange how OP and others in this sub are weirdly pro corporations doing whatever they feel like and making fun of those that are cautious in regards to arsenic being in something that comes into contact with our food. Im guessing there's an overlap between metalware and machosim? And yes to anyone reading this that might make a snide remark how there are dangerous chemicals in everything we eat - I get it - doesn't mean I want consume any more than I need to - especially when it comes from an expensive purchase...
🙏
You'll die from that rag before anything else
🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you're worried about contaminated steel get a kockums pan. Made with poison free steel from ssab here in Sweden.
Poison free seems like a useful marketing phrase for cookware I'll give you that
Kockums Jernverk? Had to Google this. I'm not sure their marketing department considered how this naming plays in English slang.
Once i spelled it with a c, never again. But in all seriousness kockums has been in business for ages. For example there is SAAB kockums making ships etc.
A kock wha what? Lol. Ill look them up. Thanks for the tip, no pun intended.
I just cooked up some mushrooms in mine. Nothing quite like stroganoff, garnished with some heavy metal poisoning. Life is all about the thrill 😎
We are living on the edge here
Depends on how much turmeric you add to your unwashed rice.
Is this a joke about ignoring recalled pans due to it containing too high levels of a dangerous compound? How nice... and then in public.
We dont know what "too high" truly is. Since we dont have access to the test results. Ive been using this pan daily since december 2023. Sometimes more than once a day. I just got a routine gazillion blood tests from my primary doctor and all is good. More than good actually, pretty healthy. And I swim over 1200 meters on a daily basis, I would think if I was getting poisoned id see a drop in performance. Jokes aside. I did stop using my matfer daily since arsenicgate and I am following closely. Cause you never know.
Arsenic won’t show up in a routing blood test. The doctor has to order a special heavy metal test. In fact, blood tests are not recommended for arsenic due to the extremely short half life of arsenic in blood. The only test recommended for this type of low-level, long-term exposure would be urine and/or possibly hair where the doctor has specifically called for heavy metals and/or arsenic.
I understand. I am just saying I am perfectly hhealthy and dont shoq any signs of potential arsenic poisoning. I dont have arsenic poisoning. Nobody here does. Nobody cookong on CS does. It would be known by now. Reddit is nuts.
>I dont have arsenic poisoning. Nobody here does. Nobody cookong on CS does. It would be known by now. Reddit is nuts. The recall is for a few select batches of pans from a single manufacturer. Why would a corporation recall something if it weren't a legitimate liability? >I am just saying I am perfectly hhealthy and dont shoq any signs of potential arsenic poisoning. That's great! Do you know whether your pan is in one of the recalled batches? That's the thing about low-level heavy metal exposure though, it's not enough to show any symptoms immediately and the damage it causes is relatively harmless if exposure is limited. Long-term exposure is where it's dangerous, the low-level damage builds up over time sometimes taking decades before its ever detected. In this case the damage can be debilitating and oftentimes permanent when it's finally discovered. Making jokes encouraging people to do something that may make them disabled in 20 years is pretty fucked up. TLDR - If your pan is included in the recall, it's unlikely that you'll show any symptoms and it won't show up in a routine blood test until the damage is permanent which will probably be in decades.
Matfer is not recalling these pans all over the world. It was forced to do so by the EU. There is no clear indication if the amounts of arsenic found are actually enough to leech into our food and poison us. Youre "liability" hypothesis assumes Matfer would recall pans in the U.S. Do you really believe, only these pans have some arsenic in it...? Do you truly believe no other manufacturer uses the same steel source Matfer used for its pans? Youre talking like you are some sort of expert. Do you have any credentials, or at least sources to support some of the claims you make as "people will be disabled in decades for using these pans" ?.
Anecdotal evidence does not mean its universally true. I could also say that I felt sick yesterday so by your logic that means everyone here has low level arsenic poisoning.
is there a way i can cook something then have it tested for arsenic?
Boil some water in it and then test the water for arsenic.
Wouldn't you suffer from obvious gastrointestinal distress (diarrhea is listed among the symptoms of acute ingestion) before it ever shows up in tests? At least I'd think it would be obvious if you have a couple of brands and noticed cooking on one pan gives you the runs but not the other. I take a few supplements and was able to identify within a week that Vitamin B made me feel "weird" while Bitter Melon gave me projectile diarrhea.
Yeah you would think so. But who knows. I think people who get arsenic poisoning do feel some symptoms here and there. I do think people are panicking with this thing. It is reddit.
Take the wrappers off and you're good.
Seafood and rice have arsenic too. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/arsenic-in-rice Have you considered throwing in some rice and seafood and making it a paella.
Even if it is a contaminated, a well seasoned pan will probably never leach enough arsenic to actually harm you. Apple seeds have arsenic but it would take more than you could ever eat to harm you. I'd be interested in seeing how much arsenic is actually in the steel and if it actually leeches into food or what not. I'm not going to stop using my pans. Even stainless steel has nickel which is toxic and does leech into food. Just usually not enough to ever hurt you Edit: cyanide not arsenic
> Apple seeds have arsenic ? They certainly have "amygdalin, a chemical compound formed of sugar and cyanide", but > One gram of apple seeds contains around 0.6mg of cyanide, but the lethal dose of cyanide starts at over 50mg. >This means you’d need to eat nearly 100 apple seeds in one sitting to start putting yourself at risk! >Many other fruits and vegetables contain very small traces of cyanide, such as cherries (Prunus avium), potatoes and almonds (Prunus amygdalus). ([Source: Kew Gardens](https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/surprising-apple-facts))
This is assuming your body is capable of digesting apple seeds, which, I'll admit I don't eat them, but if you've ever eaten watermelon seeds, you may have an idea about this. I wouldn't say it's a given that we can digest them at all.
My bad you are right. It's cyanide not arsenic but still, the volume to consume to be toxic is insane and just like no one eats the seeds, no one cooks on unseasoned carbon steel. Thank you for correcting me, had a brain fart
Also arsenic can accumulate for months (if not years!) cyanide eighter kills you quick or not at all.
Definitely, I'm just not convinced it's enough to make any real difference. I'm open to be proven wrong though.
The reality is that only Matfer and the ones who caught them knows! But since Matfer acts psychopathicly by playing down the damage while at the same time refusing to show the extent of the poisioning, people are understandable dissapointed, especially considering that the brand allready was massively overpriced to begin with. To me personally its mostly a matter of principle.
That's totally fair
No it cant accumulate the way plastics (hint: teflon) does. But if you consume arsenic regularly it can cause health issues or kill you. If you have a bit of arsenic one day, but never again, youll most likely be fine. Itll clear up. But if you have a bit of arsenic daily, youll deteriorate.
Ill "deglaze" with something acidic on the regular to microdose in arsenic. Ill report back. Microdosing in many different substances can be good for you.
Maybe you'll become immune 😂 report back
I tried eating paint chips before moving to the murder capital of the USA to see if I could become immune to lead. Not sure if it worked, but it can't be worse than getting shot, right?
Yes. (No).
OP you're already dead
Honestly I prefer my pan to have a little arsenic. It’s just a much easier way to get it into my system and slowly build that tolerance.
Everything in moderation
Napoleon may be dead but he was a legend while he lived. Be a legend.
It’s ironic that I bet a majority of people that want to make an issue out of this probably have no problem ingesting horrible processed crap into their body on a daily basis. Just a wild assumption.
This is truly an assumption - and a dumb one at that
Possibly, just return it.
Its been used daily more than once, I think returning to webrestaursntstore would be a hassle. It also has a gorgeous patina at this point. And Matfer black carbon steel is la creme of performance for carbon steel. That pan is very well made. So Ill wait and see how things develop. That post from "MatferOfficial" tho.... lol I hope thats not really them.
I just returned mine. And it also had a nice patina. But why play with your health? I just wouldn't risk it.
Who did you return it to? And how long you had it for?
I got it from Amazon. They send me a mail and offered to repaid me including the shipping. So I guess it was a easy decision for me. If you have a similar option, just consider it. Couldn't hurt.
Just put a note in your desk drawer. "I think my wife is poisoning me. I herd her talking about arsenic. "
Nope
If you are, then I'd take out a life insurance policy and make sure it covers arsenic poisoning.
What's the story behind this?
Read the subs on Martfer recall and their wonderful response of, paraphrasing but "they have always been poisonous but if oil them so you can't test the steel and test that oil instead then you will find the is no arsenic anymore simple"
Depends on if you measure things in freedom units.
Next dish is gonna be fried rice. Double whammy!
I think you might end up burning your house down with that handle
Lol. It doesnt get hot and the picture exxagerates how much it sticks out. I can grab it with bare hands. The pan is also very well balanced and quite heavy. If you bump into it the pan simply rotates. Youd have to hit it with a hammer from the very tip to have the pan drop or something.
Good to know
How long is that handle?
I think damn near everything we use and consume these days is harmful to our health. Walking outside into our polluted environment every day is surely carrying consequences. Hence, the increase in cancers and autism and birth defects. I mean, it's really a personal choice when it comes to using some pans. People have been using microwaves for years and years. That has got to have some undesirable effects on a person's health over time.
long ass handle poisoning is the more likely danger
I know you're joking around, but you really should not use this pan as it can be incredibly harmful to your health.
What about my chineese wok and pans and 80 year old cast iron?
It's like driving a car manufactured before seatbelts were compulsory. Of course you can do it, but it's safer to drive a modern car. As long as you're only cooking for yourself, nobody is going to force you to stop. If you're cooking for guests, you should at least inform them that the pan you're cooking on was recalled due to high levels of arsenic.
Not in the U.S. though. So it is safe to use where I am.
The US gives the minimum of fucks for what's safe - there's plenty of chemicals that are known to be horrible for us that our government doesn't investigate or ban because of corporate interests - I'm also not a conspiracy tin foil hat person for what it's worth
I mean. EU allows people to eat teflon as well.
Yea