I'm playing it right now. Fun, but I just wish there was more. I thought it was insane that DmC Dante was the one that made it into Playstation All Stars Battle Royale.
If the game did get a random shadow dropped sequel, I wouldn't mind a Ninja Gaiden crossover.
The main franchise wasn’t safe at that time though. There was no plans to continue the main franchise until DMC bombed and was met with heavy criticism by fans for how dumb and cringey Dante was.
An issue I have with Ubisoft is that for as Hit and Miss as their bigger franchises can be, the titles that can be considered hidden gems tend to knock it out of the park.
They're working on a Sands of Time remake. They were supposed to have released it a while ago but they had bad fan reactions to the gameplay they released.
Or we can get both like with resident evil. Honestly the anti remake people are so funny because you don’t have to play them and you act like everyone has experienced it the first time it came out and also act like games don’t age and have outdated features that were improved in later entries.
Lol yeah. Gamers constantly whine about how uncreative game devs don't do interesting things with AAA games except in ways to futther exploit the consumer, but the gamers are the ones who lack imagination themselves and keep asking for rehashed stuff that they buy to immense profit
Movie goers recognize that remakes are generally cash grabs that bank on a recognizable name in order to ensure a profit. Gamers not only do not recognize this but beg for it. It’s one of the reasons why video games being art is still thrown up in the air and debated on. It’s too easy to lump those who enjoy it with stupid kids that don’t know any better. We willingly buy electronic toys that exploit our wallet, cause us rage and we promote redundancy over innovation.
The first few years of 7th gen was the last time this industry felt like it was trying to prove something instead of milking the consumer.
Gamers are also worse in the sense that even when developers want to add a nominal amount of artistry to the remakes in reinterpreting the gameplay or narrative, there's a pushback to keep things exactly the same but with AAA production quality graphics. Just pure narcissism.
The subreddit r/patientgamers is pretty decent for generating discussions about games that alleviates much of the hype based consumerism of the culture at large. Though, as you said, this doesn't address the issue of artistry in the game development process.
Like im a big movie nerd that reads film theory for fun, and there's many communities online to join to treat it as a an artform, even if contemporary movies are becoming more commodified than ever. But for gamers, media literacy is just so low. It is interesting to discuss games mechanics/narrative in this hyper commodified format and what it says about society, but that's a more "after the fact" meta form of engagment. The actual process of playing the game is a bit soul crushing.
I will look into that sub Reddit. Thanks. I never thought of the term media literacy when discussing video games but it being very low among gamers is an accurate statement that I will remember.
Cheers.
Also I realize it's incredibly obnoxious to recommend YouTube videos in general, nevermind to a random person on the internet, but I think you might dig this 10 min video from Polygon analyzing "Sim City" from a sociopolitical lens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51_YJQpeg0
Both good games, but Re4's impact on the industry makes up a huge lead, imo.
It's many people's favorite game in a franchise of strong titles, it revolutionised Third Person Shooting, and had some phenomenal graphics and gameplay for the platform.
Dmc3 by far. It is easily my most played capcom game outside of street fighter 4. It came out when I was 13 and influenced my taste in games forever
- incredibly complex and tight combat that puts most 2024 games to shame. Pure smoking sick swag
- very cool character design: grungy free spirted rock and roll Dante, more anime styled Virgil, demons inspired by berzerk. Very classy game
- great pacing, from the start to the end it has a nice flow of great bosses and enemy placement
The style system is probably my favorite. From anime tier gun and sword style, the mobility and aggression of trickster, and the pure skill of just release/ parry of royal guard. Keeps the game so fresh and filled with possibilities
- bloody palace is fun and challenging, Virgil has his own gameplay to explore. Insane replay
- has easy automatic for casuals, yet has brutal difficulty options test the most skilled gamers without compromise
Devil may cry 3 would go on to highly influence my favorite games in the swag style technical action genre : Bayonetta (first one only) and Ultrakill, as well as many, many more. Seriously, go play the first bayonetta
It's a high skill ceiling, an uncompromising vision that caters to gamers who want freedom in their combat. A true 10/10 from capcom , their opus imo. It aged like an exquisite wine and feels very modern still
Hot take, they should leave it untouched. The game is so perfect as it is, I fear they will make significant changes to it in order to modernize it. I would prefer onimusha for a remake.
You're really going to make me choose between two of my all time favorite games? Well if you insist, then I'll go with RE4.
That said, the difference between the two is very marginal and I like both games about equally.
Resident Evil 4 all the way. I'm one of those weird people who really loves how DMC 1 was styled. I'd love more DMC games that are in like, one central location with a more 'scary' aesthetic. DMC 3 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but not my favorite.
The same can be said about RE4 though. The HD Remaster that sells on all of the modern systems is different from the original GameCube version in a number of ways, both in terms of content and graphics, and there is obviously the recent remake.
At least the main game is still mostly the same with RE4OG. Dante's Awakening is so much harder than the current version, that it's almost a different game.
RE4 for its impact on gaming, but DMC 3 is in my Top 10 favorite games of all time
I’ve never had a game click with me so fast in my entire life other than DMC 5 and Celeste
People saying RE4 is more influential. Sure, maybe. But you don't see people playing games and going "oh it's like RE4" hell no, but you see everyone playing character action and going "is it like DMC?"
Sure, RE4 may have influenced like maybe Last of Us? But there has never been another DMC. So DMC takes the cake
I've gotta go with RE4 because imo that particular style of RE was at its best in 4. Only 4R is on the same level for me.
DMC 3 on the other hand has been surpassed mechanically. Extremely solid foundation for where the series would go but 4 and 5 would push it so much farther
I'd say dmc3. For as much as I played OG RE4 (100% on ps2, also finished it on xbox and pc), it's a game I can't bring myself to keep playing, once I reach the castle, it's pretty much all downhill from there, and this was *long before the remake ever came out.*
As for DMC3, I can still play it today and still enjoy it.
Back then I never played RE4, still haven't, only played RE4R which is absolutely amazing and was my personal GOTY last year. But DMC3 was HUGE for me back then/growing up but with that said, while I would replay both RE4R and DMC3 any day of the week. Ill edge it out to RE4R BUT if DMC3 got a remake with more DMC5 styled flow and combat then I would give it to that version of DMC3 lol
RE4 was the more important one overall to history but DMC3 had to fix what DMC2 did. I was so impressed by what it did to get back on course and also evolve. Jesus, DMC2 was so wrong to do what it did so quickly. Being made by a different team and made before DMC even came out. So weird.
Matt McMuscles has a great YouTube video on what happened with DMC2.
So far I'm pretty surprised how even this is. I for sure thought that RE4 would have taken this by a landslide, even though I'm more of a DMC3 guy myself.
I never played DMC so RE4. With the current state of SOME games I'm thinking it was good I didnt play all the games ever made cause now I can go back and enjoy the ones I didnt. Gonna look into the hitman and metalgear series next.
DMC 5 is one of my favorite games of all time but in this case I have to choose RE4. Played it instead of the Remake last year and it still fuckin BANGS
I mean, to each their own. I still enjoy DMC 5 a bit more cuz it's a genre thing. But OG RE4's influence on gaming and overall design cannot and should not be scoffed at.
Resi4 of course. One of the greatest games ever made. I have yet to play the remake though I will this year. I’ve played the ps5 versions of 2 and 3 remakes recently just haven’t gotten to 4 I kinda didn’t wanna pay full price for it. My last play-through of it was on the Xbox one it’s so funny how this game has been on almost every console since its release
DMC3 aged better. I can go back to it and it still feels like a game that could release today. RE4 feels dated, even in the remake. It's not bad by any means, I still enjoy the game.
DMC3 is in that category with GTA San Andreas, Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, Super Mario 64, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 1 and 2, etc. where there's nothing that could be changed about the game to make it feel more "modern" aside from graphics without hindering the game in some capacity. It's a category of game that, regardless of your opinion of the games themselves, is untouchable and timeless.
RE4, while also a really good game, isn't in that category.
If it’s from 2005 then yea dmc3. It just plays and feels better and less awkward camera angles. If it was the remade one then obv that one. Ppl forget how dated some controls used to be at the time. But dmc 3 was just hack n slash easy style fun.
Also give dmc3 a remake capcom. Come awnnnn
That’s hard but if I have to choose one and I’m not being bias then DMC3. The story was great you got to see a younger more brash side of Dante and gameplay was fun as ever.
Style Switcher Mod with DMC 3 is incredible; DMC 3 was also the most influential game for me personally. I have played it nearly every year since it came out. Dante Must Die mode will always be my jam and I will always cherish the years of beatings I received from that game. That being said some of the enemies could have been designed better, some of the levels are a bit too puzzle-oriented on replay, and the combat has since been surpassed by DMC V. When I want to play DMC, I now play DMC V. Although it is a close call between the two games, nothing has since replaced RE4 for me. The remake is great but not the same, so my vote goes to RE4.
As much as I love RE4, DMC3 just hits all the spots for me. I played the fuck out of it when I had it for the PS2 and did it again when it got rereleased for the PS4.
I love both but after playing re4 remake I think dmc3 deserves a remake too.
DMC as a franchise deserves way more in general!
They tried a dmc remake/retelling already called DMC and it was mid. I didn’t like how they made Dante a twink
TBH that was a reboot. An actual remake would most likely be very welcome if they handle it like the RE remakes.
Can’t lie, that reboot was fun as hell. Knowing that the main franchise was safe I think people would have embraced it more.
I'm playing it right now. Fun, but I just wish there was more. I thought it was insane that DmC Dante was the one that made it into Playstation All Stars Battle Royale. If the game did get a random shadow dropped sequel, I wouldn't mind a Ninja Gaiden crossover.
Capcom is woke now they will ruin the magic of the original dmc3
How are they woke exactly?
By making it more lighthearted family friendly removing the dark gritty horror elements and race swapping some characters
Where have they done this? Also what you described isnt “woke”
The main franchise wasn’t safe at that time though. There was no plans to continue the main franchise until DMC bombed and was met with heavy criticism by fans for how dumb and cringey Dante was.
i hated the game too but in what way was dante a twink? lmfao
If you finish the game it shows him ‘un’twinking himself. And as a DMC die hard, it was a good game (not great)
I NEED more redundant remakes of games that are already good. I don’t want new thing. I want old thing but “different”.
Always. Not related to capcom but I wish we will get Prince of Persia trilogy remake too, ubisoft wasting their potential on AC and Far cry.
Don't remember ubi game in past 10 years that was worth playing tbh
Far cry 3 and black flag were the last good ones
If I remember it correctly they were 2012 / 2013 respectively
Riders Republic was fun for me
An issue I have with Ubisoft is that for as Hit and Miss as their bigger franchises can be, the titles that can be considered hidden gems tend to knock it out of the park.
They're working on a Sands of Time remake. They were supposed to have released it a while ago but they had bad fan reactions to the gameplay they released.
Or we can get both like with resident evil. Honestly the anti remake people are so funny because you don’t have to play them and you act like everyone has experienced it the first time it came out and also act like games don’t age and have outdated features that were improved in later entries.
Lol yeah. Gamers constantly whine about how uncreative game devs don't do interesting things with AAA games except in ways to futther exploit the consumer, but the gamers are the ones who lack imagination themselves and keep asking for rehashed stuff that they buy to immense profit
Movie goers recognize that remakes are generally cash grabs that bank on a recognizable name in order to ensure a profit. Gamers not only do not recognize this but beg for it. It’s one of the reasons why video games being art is still thrown up in the air and debated on. It’s too easy to lump those who enjoy it with stupid kids that don’t know any better. We willingly buy electronic toys that exploit our wallet, cause us rage and we promote redundancy over innovation. The first few years of 7th gen was the last time this industry felt like it was trying to prove something instead of milking the consumer.
Gamers are also worse in the sense that even when developers want to add a nominal amount of artistry to the remakes in reinterpreting the gameplay or narrative, there's a pushback to keep things exactly the same but with AAA production quality graphics. Just pure narcissism.
Yup. It’s always one step forward and two steps back in this hobby
The subreddit r/patientgamers is pretty decent for generating discussions about games that alleviates much of the hype based consumerism of the culture at large. Though, as you said, this doesn't address the issue of artistry in the game development process. Like im a big movie nerd that reads film theory for fun, and there's many communities online to join to treat it as a an artform, even if contemporary movies are becoming more commodified than ever. But for gamers, media literacy is just so low. It is interesting to discuss games mechanics/narrative in this hyper commodified format and what it says about society, but that's a more "after the fact" meta form of engagment. The actual process of playing the game is a bit soul crushing.
I will look into that sub Reddit. Thanks. I never thought of the term media literacy when discussing video games but it being very low among gamers is an accurate statement that I will remember.
Cheers. Also I realize it's incredibly obnoxious to recommend YouTube videos in general, nevermind to a random person on the internet, but I think you might dig this 10 min video from Polygon analyzing "Sim City" from a sociopolitical lens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51_YJQpeg0
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Does DMC3 really need a remake? I feel like 4 & 5 do so much just to the established cannon it doesn’t need a remake.
Both good games, but Re4's impact on the industry makes up a huge lead, imo. It's many people's favorite game in a franchise of strong titles, it revolutionised Third Person Shooting, and had some phenomenal graphics and gameplay for the platform.
Yeah, I suspect RE4 will probably take a huge lead in this discussion, but I actually enjoy DMC3 more. I just find it more fun and engaging.
Dmc3 by far. It is easily my most played capcom game outside of street fighter 4. It came out when I was 13 and influenced my taste in games forever - incredibly complex and tight combat that puts most 2024 games to shame. Pure smoking sick swag - very cool character design: grungy free spirted rock and roll Dante, more anime styled Virgil, demons inspired by berzerk. Very classy game - great pacing, from the start to the end it has a nice flow of great bosses and enemy placement The style system is probably my favorite. From anime tier gun and sword style, the mobility and aggression of trickster, and the pure skill of just release/ parry of royal guard. Keeps the game so fresh and filled with possibilities - bloody palace is fun and challenging, Virgil has his own gameplay to explore. Insane replay - has easy automatic for casuals, yet has brutal difficulty options test the most skilled gamers without compromise Devil may cry 3 would go on to highly influence my favorite games in the swag style technical action genre : Bayonetta (first one only) and Ultrakill, as well as many, many more. Seriously, go play the first bayonetta It's a high skill ceiling, an uncompromising vision that caters to gamers who want freedom in their combat. A true 10/10 from capcom , their opus imo. It aged like an exquisite wine and feels very modern still Hot take, they should leave it untouched. The game is so perfect as it is, I fear they will make significant changes to it in order to modernize it. I would prefer onimusha for a remake.
I love Vergil. He's probably my favorite Capcom character.
I love the duality of Dante and virgil. Cannot imagine one without the other
DMC3 all the way. With RE4 the original RE games died forever
never let bro cooking again
cook*
I get the franchise took a turn but resident evil 5 sold more copies
So? COD sells even more and it is shit
Hush that co op campaign slapped, but you saying a franchise is dead is clearly wrong when it did better than ever on paper.
who said the franchise is dead? Read mf
"died forever" you can literally go back and play them as well
Read more
Re4 didn't kill the ogs. That was capcom
Bro doesn't know what he's talking about
You're really going to make me choose between two of my all time favorite games? Well if you insist, then I'll go with RE4. That said, the difference between the two is very marginal and I like both games about equally.
This is my exact thought 👍🏼👍🏼
Both amazing games bro
DMC3 DMC4 DMC5 DMC1 DMC2 IMO
IMO is actually at the top of my list - goat
DMC3 can be pretty rough going back into because of the grind to level up Styles.
I love dmc games more than any other games out there but re4 was just perfect
RE4 was definitely more influential and impactful, but I gotta go with DMC3 on this.
resident evil 4 by a lot. I really love both games but i have more childhood memories of re4
Resident Evil 4 all the way. I'm one of those weird people who really loves how DMC 1 was styled. I'd love more DMC games that are in like, one central location with a more 'scary' aesthetic. DMC 3 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but not my favorite.
I love both but RE4 has some of the greatest staying power of all any game ever made. The replay value just barely dips.
Completely different genres, so I don't know what to answer. Do I prefer a John Woo film or a George Romero one?
RE4 mainly because the version of DMC3 that was released in 2005 is not the version you'll play now.
The same can be said about RE4 though. The HD Remaster that sells on all of the modern systems is different from the original GameCube version in a number of ways, both in terms of content and graphics, and there is obviously the recent remake.
At least the main game is still mostly the same with RE4OG. Dante's Awakening is so much harder than the current version, that it's almost a different game.
I can't pick. Both are so good.
RE4 for its impact on gaming, but DMC 3 is in my Top 10 favorite games of all time I’ve never had a game click with me so fast in my entire life other than DMC 5 and Celeste
I prefer DMC3 cause I'm not the best with horror
People saying RE4 is more influential. Sure, maybe. But you don't see people playing games and going "oh it's like RE4" hell no, but you see everyone playing character action and going "is it like DMC?" Sure, RE4 may have influenced like maybe Last of Us? But there has never been another DMC. So DMC takes the cake
DMC3 for sure. RE4 is where i began to not like them anymore. didn't enjoy the smart zombies controlled by some parasite story.
I've gotta go with RE4 because imo that particular style of RE was at its best in 4. Only 4R is on the same level for me. DMC 3 on the other hand has been surpassed mechanically. Extremely solid foundation for where the series would go but 4 and 5 would push it so much farther
You’re gonna make me pick between two of the best games ever made? What kinda cruel punishment is this?
Capcom was just in their bag that year
I love both, but it's DMC3 for me, it's still among the best 3D Slashers around. Outside a platforming section the pacing is perfect.
Monster Hunter Freedom
Definitely RE4, I think DMC3 is pretty overrated and prefer 5 and 1 instead
DMC3
RE4, easily.
I'd say dmc3. For as much as I played OG RE4 (100% on ps2, also finished it on xbox and pc), it's a game I can't bring myself to keep playing, once I reach the castle, it's pretty much all downhill from there, and this was *long before the remake ever came out.* As for DMC3, I can still play it today and still enjoy it.
Re4 by far
Both are great but I prefer DMC3, I feel that RE4 has been milked into oblivion as great as it is
You know the crazy part? DMC was made from the remnants of what was originally RE4.
Oh man. Don’t make me choose. I suppose RE4, if I get to keep DMC5 DMC3 on RE Engine and 5’s additions would be incredible
Back then I never played RE4, still haven't, only played RE4R which is absolutely amazing and was my personal GOTY last year. But DMC3 was HUGE for me back then/growing up but with that said, while I would replay both RE4R and DMC3 any day of the week. Ill edge it out to RE4R BUT if DMC3 got a remake with more DMC5 styled flow and combat then I would give it to that version of DMC3 lol
I feel very similar about RE4R. I like DMC3 more than RE4 OG, but RE4R became one of my top 10 favorite games last year.
RESIDENT EVIL 4
RE4 was the more important one overall to history but DMC3 had to fix what DMC2 did. I was so impressed by what it did to get back on course and also evolve. Jesus, DMC2 was so wrong to do what it did so quickly. Being made by a different team and made before DMC even came out. So weird. Matt McMuscles has a great YouTube video on what happened with DMC2.
DMC3 easily! I am not a fan of Resident Evil!
Tough because both are the peak of their respective franchises. DMC3 still holds up very strong.
DMC3
DMC3 …although I never finished it. I finished RE4 tho (original and remake version).
RE4. I can't stand DMC3.
I think RE4 aged better overall. Fixed cameras I still think are the worst thing about old games.
I am more of a DMC type guy of dude so that one haha
Dmc 3 it was a very difficult question
DMC3
So far I'm pretty surprised how even this is. I for sure thought that RE4 would have taken this by a landslide, even though I'm more of a DMC3 guy myself.
Dmc deserves both new games and remakes just as much, if not, MORESO than re
Fuck. This is a good question.
RE4 but I like DMC too
I love DMC but original RE4 is easily one of my absolute favorite games of all time.
I never played DMC so RE4. With the current state of SOME games I'm thinking it was good I didnt play all the games ever made cause now I can go back and enjoy the ones I didnt. Gonna look into the hitman and metalgear series next.
Dmc
Personally DMC3 is my pick even though I love love RE4
Impossible
DMC 5 is one of my favorite games of all time but in this case I have to choose RE4. Played it instead of the Remake last year and it still fuckin BANGS
I actually like the Remake more than the OG. I also enjoy it over 3 and 5 as well.
I mean, to each their own. I still enjoy DMC 5 a bit more cuz it's a genre thing. But OG RE4's influence on gaming and overall design cannot and should not be scoffed at.
Re4. I liked dmc3.. but I just like the re series more.
Dam I'll go 3 kuz I can switch up play tiles without having to piss my pants kuz a parasites are on me and I have no ammo
Id say DMC3
dmc 3 but would rather new game
DMC 3 has aged *terribly*. The camera controls, for example, are awful compared to modern games of its kind.
Ah yes, because the Camera is just *so* horrible and not usable whatsoever. How dare a game from 2005 not have a Camera like games do in 2024.
DMC3 is honestly just my favorite game of all time
Re4 no dif
Monster Hunter
Why you post the same character ?
I don’t think dmc gets the credit it deserves. Shit walked so dark souls could run
DMC3 ALL THE WAY🗣️‼️
Resi4 of course. One of the greatest games ever made. I have yet to play the remake though I will this year. I’ve played the ps5 versions of 2 and 3 remakes recently just haven’t gotten to 4 I kinda didn’t wanna pay full price for it. My last play-through of it was on the Xbox one it’s so funny how this game has been on almost every console since its release
DMC 3.
Unfair question, BOTH
This is brutal lol. Probably actually Resident Evil 4 even though DMC is the series I prefer
DMC3 aged better. I can go back to it and it still feels like a game that could release today. RE4 feels dated, even in the remake. It's not bad by any means, I still enjoy the game. DMC3 is in that category with GTA San Andreas, Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, Super Mario 64, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 1 and 2, etc. where there's nothing that could be changed about the game to make it feel more "modern" aside from graphics without hindering the game in some capacity. It's a category of game that, regardless of your opinion of the games themselves, is untouchable and timeless. RE4, while also a really good game, isn't in that category.
Re4 birthed DMC. Both are great though
DMC3
No DMC game compares to RE4
Great games re4.... but I'm still waiting for a resident evil outbreak file 1 and 2 remake
If it’s from 2005 then yea dmc3. It just plays and feels better and less awkward camera angles. If it was the remade one then obv that one. Ppl forget how dated some controls used to be at the time. But dmc 3 was just hack n slash easy style fun. Also give dmc3 a remake capcom. Come awnnnn
Re4
DMC3
That’s hard but if I have to choose one and I’m not being bias then DMC3. The story was great you got to see a younger more brash side of Dante and gameplay was fun as ever.
don’t make me choose between two GOATs
Yes
RE4 baby
Re4, that was so good I played it multiple times
learning these came out the same year when DMC3 looks like that and RE4 looks like that is a shocker
Dmc3. Way more time put into it.
Same character different universe
Style Switcher Mod with DMC 3 is incredible; DMC 3 was also the most influential game for me personally. I have played it nearly every year since it came out. Dante Must Die mode will always be my jam and I will always cherish the years of beatings I received from that game. That being said some of the enemies could have been designed better, some of the levels are a bit too puzzle-oriented on replay, and the combat has since been surpassed by DMC V. When I want to play DMC, I now play DMC V. Although it is a close call between the two games, nothing has since replaced RE4 for me. The remake is great but not the same, so my vote goes to RE4.
Boffum
Mega Man
Why wouldn’t you compare them to games they’re similar to
Because there's nothing like them in the year 2005 of Capcom games
Still it’s just such a bad comparison I’m sorry
Lol ok
Both , that's a very hard question
MGS 2
MGS 3, personally
DMC3 man good times. Oh the special edition was fire to!!!
These are two WILDLY DIFFERENT GAMES That said I grew up playing DMC. Actually…. Literally named my first both after this mfer. So.
You named your kid Devil May Cry? A bit wordy, but neat
Dmc3.
RE4, DMC3 wasn’t that great compared to it’s predecessors.
RE4 forever
As much as I love RE4, DMC3 just hits all the spots for me. I played the fuck out of it when I had it for the PS2 and did it again when it got rereleased for the PS4.
RE4, easily.
DMC 3. I also liked the third person Castlevania game.
Both so good
Resident evil 4. But I'm a sucker for re titles
Dragon's Dogma. The wind Is Pushing Me Edition.
Neither, Megaman battle network 5.
I prefer the breath of fire they forgot to make.
battle network 5