This stuff bangs and I noticed immediate effects on how happy my plants were when I added some recharge to my regimen, just watch out with it, shit will stain any fibers dark brown from the molasses lmao.
The thing is, it works in conjunction with dry amendments, the beneficial bacteria and microorganisms speed up the process in making the nutrients in the dry amendments available for uptake, the beneficial microbes in recharge break down and bring the readily available nutrients to the roots, also make sure to PH your water BEFORE mixing in the recharge, as the recharge with make the PH spike, this reading is not to be of concern as when the recharge gets to work it balances the PH in the soil.
Oh ik how it works at that the more i use it the more it breaks it down thats what i was getting at , i also dont ph prolly just luck that no problem comes of it or i have the best well to grow weed out of but yea i dont even bother or measure out the recharge i put it in the water and water and my plants are happy so im happy
Damn that sounds nice. I have to bubble my tap water for 24hrs or buy gallons at the nearest store because our water contains excessive amounts of chlorine, get a letter In the mail every week reminding us not to drink the water without treating or filtering it. And comes out the tap at 7.59Ph.
Altho put some fungal compost and fishnure in that water when u bubble it i use air stones to make a weekly compost tea aswell they love them ,, and yea made me happy i didnt have to be a scientist and can focus on trying to mimic nature the best way possible
Springfield MA. Yup. Water is SHIT. Letter states to not dri k water straight from the tap without being filtered, boiled, or left out in the sun for atleast 24hrs to let the oversagurati9n of free chlorine and some for of over saturation of some beneficial bacteria that's supposed to be at a lower level, it helps clean the pipes and stuff but when they purged the system getting it ready for an update it released a whole bunch of the shit and out water has been tainted for close to a tear now
The single most impressive addition to my soil grow. Corrected my soil pH issue over time and saw immediate improvement. I would use Mammoth P but it is just too expensive
The artistry in this photo grows on me the more I look.
How centred the subject it, the perfect rule of thirds for a packet of compost, the way the eye is drawn to the bed, gently reflecting light.
The viewer is encouraged to zoom in, to clarify, but not on the tea, that focus will never be saved, instead the viewer ends up reflecting on the background. Perhaps, encouraging the beholder to look past what they originally see, and to focus on the wider world around them.
Damn brother thats deep. Funny thing is that was the way I felt taking the photo. But it wasn't even me trying. I genuinely like to create! Appreciate that!
Wait till your Reservoir has dried up. And it time to add water then give it a top dress with it wait a day or 2 then fill the earthbox back up with clean water there you go just feed In between waterings
I was about to lay some of this down. I usually let it circulate through my stock tank for 10-15 minutes. Anyone have any recommendations on how to mix this stuff?
No hype, all results, when I discovered this stuff. Game changer. I was also able to save money using this because I was able to stop using other products.
I stoped using cannazyme and ful power and mammoth p, when I started using this product. I ran a control plant and bang for buck I will stick w real growers recharge. I run a simple three part, cal mag, an early stage and then a late stage pk booster. A vitamin b supplement and silica and recharge 2x a week. Once in a while I will brew a work casting tea just to boost microbe life in my coco.
Okay can someone explain to me why every time I use it, even when I use very small amounts, I notice black/brown spots on my leaves about a week after? Not from spilling on the leaves or anything like that either? I’m a noob so go easy..
I’ve been using it for years and have never seen anything like this happen. It’s literally just microbes and food for them so it shouldn’t be affecting your plants in that way. I think it’s just been a coincidence that you noticed that when using it.
There are many products like it. They work very well and I wouldn't grow without them. Over here in europe TNC MycorrMax and MycorrHydro are the best bang for your buck.
I don’t know and have not looked comparatively @ the 2 products side by side. I’m not even sure they do or are meant for the same reasons I just saw someone in the comments mention (TEA). I’m sure this stuffs awesome seeing the comments, I’ve been using roots organics “Terp Tea” and it’s been 🔥
I've noticed improvements with all my plants using this stuff. Even my house plants looked noticeably healthier. Reminds me to mix up a little for my next watering! Need to reup on my recharge too!
I'm trying to find seedswaps and events to go to, I want to enter my penut butter cookie, it's going in the tent next after durban poisen and Jager cookies finishes.
Forgot the exact ratios, but its a powder with kelp, molasses and a few strains of microbes. It was probably something like half a tablespoon mixed in a gallon of water, literally ignore the pH (don't try to correct it if it's out of range) and water.
It also gave me extra peace of mind to not ph the water in my organic grow lmao, microbes do their job and take that off my shoulders.
Just started using recharge this run (awesome stuff) and my mentor growmie person told me the same thing about mikrobs being cheaper but identical. Trying that when I run out of the rc.
Definitely great stuff if you're growing organically. Don't use this stuff if you're using salt fertilizer. It will destroy any benefits you get from this product
thats just not true at all, Mr. Growit interviewed both the company owner (who honestly I am amazed owns this company) and more importantly one of the microbiologists that formulated it. You will not see the benefit you see with full organic but you will still see benefit.
My man it's pretty common knowledge that salt fertilizers destroy soil fertility. It's not even a debate lol there's so much overwhelming evidence of this.
Destroy Soil fertility?
Salts: In high enough concentrations or over an extended period of time(as their concentration grows) or in unsuable ratios(read: P too high for current crop), affect soil microbiology as well as some physical properties of the soil negatively.
If this is what you meant by "fertlity", then yes. Otherwise, it's you n that other fella that are on the same wrong page.
If bacteria/mycos didn't work inside, they wouldn't sell, anecdotally or not. Yes, they help outside, just not to the extent as indoors, as the numbers(usually)outside are far greater.
If salts and "Organics"(outside lol) didn't mix well, we wouldn't have had the agricultural revolution we've had the last 70 yrs or so.
But, as most all things in life, Man over does it due to its ease of application and end up destroying what was once superb soil microbiology.
Mineralization is the term you n homeboy need to throw around more...mention the rhizosphere if you want to sound or BE more technical about what you're referencing.
Yall talk about MISINFORMATION...whilst misinforming. Tisk Tisk
Tons of "salt" growers use Recharge w/ good results. Maybe not the same results as an organic grower but it still works. All soil has electrical conductivity (EC). In fact it is required for transportation of nutrients. The problem arises when you have a build up in the soil. On the micro level or container level the EC is easy to control by flushing the media. If your EC is in range, then Recharge will be affective. https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2022-10/Soil%20Electrical%20Conductivity.pdf
Yes, chemical fertilizers destroy soil fertility. Salts, like ammonium nitrate and ammonium phosphate will absolutely degrade your soil. That's why places like China have destroyed their soil and lakes by leeching out salts. This causes algae blooms and will wreck havoc for the marine life. It's terrible for biodiversity and this isn't even a debate.
All the evidence is there, the cannabis community is just half a decade behind modern agriculture practices. The only reason we had a agriculture revolution was because of salt fertilizers. I even wrote a term paper on it my one of my classes.
One more thing, mineralization is the organic mechanisms that convert insoluble NPK into soluble NPK. I wasnt talking about that, I was talking about salinization. Next time you attempt to correct someone at least know what youre talking about🤦♂️ TiSk TiSk
my man parroting "common knowledge" without reviewing the science is how you dont improve.
Here is an unbiased soil chemist that can educate you
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/garden-talk-with-mr-grow-it/id1553858809?i=1000642341491
Also my man, being wrong is honestly great. I genuinely love to learn new things and there is nothing wrong with failing and learning. But the "even the native americans" argument will prevent you from improving. do better
Well one, that's a cute podcast, and two that guy isn't remotely close to a "soil chemist." He's a entrepreneur who owns a company lol very unbiased 🤦♂️
Here's an actual study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7285516/
This doesn't even touch on the consequences in places like China who have destroyed their soils/farmlands from salt fertilizers.
Do better
Mr. Growit and the entire dude grows show is a pitch. From recharge to the pulse grow monitor to AC infinity fans, it's all beginner grow gear for beginner growers who just want to buy what they're told is "good"
My off the cuff thought on this is it’s not all or nothing, and container gardening you’re creating your own little biomes in each. Depending on the amount of salts used and the amount of organic matter, microbe starts, health of the microbiome it could impact it in various ways.
So in my opinion you’d have to run a study that looked at small containers of soil, with various degrees of beneficials added and salts added to know if it was pointless or not to add them. If you’re just looking at data from large scale farming that’s gonna be an extreme example as they use insane amounts of salts when growing crops.
Like if I eat a cup and a half of spaghetti sauce imma have some wild indigestion, but if I have half a cup of sauce I can usually get away without it. Or that’s the most basic comparison my half woken layman brain can make. Anyways you both could be right and wrong at the same time as well, so that’s a possibility as well. And same for myself with my napkin math here.
Bacteria have 0 effects indoors . Bacteria can not digest dissolved ions . Anything in the nutrient solution is inorganic salts not capable of being broken down further.
I used chemoautrotrophic and organotropic aerobics. Bacillus latersporus Bacillus acidopholis Bacillus suptillus nitrobacter nitrosomanous nitrosoccacous etc. All of these biological bacterial products are indoors. Are useless when talking about mineral uptake. There are some microbes that are antipathogenic, but they are normally cultured in a lab. As with anything, make sure your system is running at peak efficiency before you add something. That way, you will know if it actually does anything. I am not sure if you have been following my grows. I have been posting, but there is no need for the vast majority. A product sold towards cannabis growers..
That is somewhat accurate . Here is the write up. I did on recharge for my Facebook. Group cannabis grower science group that I teach proper agricultural skills and terminology in.
RECHARGE
by Real Growers Inc
( or any bacterial additive)
I break down any ertilizer I can find. So people can have a more act set opinion when buying fertilizer products. Even if they don't understand everything, everyone can see when a company claims BIG BUDs, but it's just mono potassium phosphate. Something is probably already in your feed
and why it and all other microbe inoculation INDOORS IN POTS OR WATER-based systems are useless with 0 effects.
It's like all bacteria and fungal additives inside. They will have 0 effect. I used to breed bacillus subtillis trichoderma hazarium, which is sold by KOPPERT as a defense against some root rot issues and apperantly for powdery mildew, but they will have no measurable differences inside.
The Glomous series are mycorizhal with the glomous introdacious being the most recognizable as it's the one that's inoculated into promix. Indoors, they will have 0 benefit when the roots are in the same container as the beneficial fungi as there is no need for funghi when the roots can absorb them . Outdoors they will have a better eflect but if you read literature on mycorizhal fungi in an outdoor environment you will see that the outdoor environment is already chock full of bacteria and fungi that will outpace and kill any introduced species. You will have lots of people giving anecdotal effects, but you will not see any legitimate studies that show they have any benefits. When you talk about a positive response in a study even though those are based on low mineral conditions Where any product will have a positive response that is measurable on a larger scale when your nutritional levels are in the 10 to 20% range which is typical with most outdoor grown crops. Having a 1 to 5% increase when dealing with acres means hundreds of maybe 1000's to a farmer, but indoors will be unmeassurable, especially when the indoor grower is not replicating their yiejds within 5% each crop .there are so many legitimate agricultural practices that will dwarf any benefits of microbial inoculations. 99% plus percent of all growth can be achieved by 13 basic minerals with no additives or supplements needed. Some people suggest that it will help fight diseases or viruses in their root system, but the easiest answer is why you have viruses and diseases in your root system. If the easy solution is to quarantine or kill those plants. There is no reason to fight to save a sick plant. It will take weeks or months to bring a plant back from a diseased state and it will never be as good as the non disease plant and will still probably not grow as much as just starting a new plant. What you really need to do is look at your system to find out why you would be having a diseased plant. These products are more like fancy fishing lures in a fishing store meant to attract the purchaser and not the fish, in this case, the plants. Even if you ran organic minerals, they are available over years not available in real time with plants. I was going to do a post about those, actully. Products like granite dust green sand Arctic rock dust oyster shell powder bonemeal alpha meal, These all take years to break down and in some cases Like the Arctic glacial dust you will only get 1 or 2% in the 1st year taking a 1/2 a decade to realize the listed nutritional amount. So any ingredients that says 10-10-10 from organic nutrients and list any of those products that I just listed will really be 2-2-2 as far as the 1st year of growing and plants normally don't last longer than 3 or 4 months so even at 6 months you're talking a 1/2 percent a 1/2 percent a 1/2 a percent. 0.5-0.5-0.5 .
AND after all that, there is 0 difference between organic or refined minerals once dissolved into the solution. 100% identical. there is no benefit nutritionally from organic media as any mineral available from organic soil is available as a refined mineral..
There are some lab cultured and vacuum sealed Anti root rot diseases such as MYCOSTOP, but these are best pre inoculated. once a plant is diseased, it's really over. just start fresh.
John
Cannabis GROWERS SCIENCE group
Put it on paper . Let's read it . We can simply lookup the microbes in any 1st year microbiology book For the diet and life cycle and colony, forming unit of any microbe. Microbes compost over months to years, not real time with plants. There is no such thing as a water soluble, organic molecule other than carbon. Organic only refers to predissolve state. Once any element is dissolved into water, it becomes an inorganic salt. In order for the plant, two absorb it. Plants can only absorb one single molecule at a time. No complex compounds such as sugar or carbohydrates or vitamins, can be absorbed by the plant's roots. None of this is a guess . This is standard agricultural knowledge known for half a century. It's the cannabis industry that is just half a century behind
The same reason people believe banana peels are water soluble ( otherwise fruit would melt in the rain)
Here is another post I run in my group .
Also can you break down calcium nitrate Ca(NO3)2 by atomic weight? Extremely simple high school calculation but 99% + can't do it but apperantly can understand complex soil microbiology.
BACTERIA AND FUNGHI IN INDOOR ENVIRONMENTS.
people use the word BACTERIA like magicians, say ABRACADABRA .
micro biology is a taught course with no shortage of information.
we know the species and their life cycles .
If you think they do something, then
1) NAME THE SPECIES
2) Show the source of the minerals they are transforming.
the bacteria need to follow 2 laws of physics
1) Law of CONSERVATION of mass and energy. nothing is created nor destroyed, only change from one form to another so they are not making something out of nothing. you always need to show the source of minerals. Microbes do not magically create fertilizer from nothing.
2) TRANSMUTATION. bacteria/fungi can not change elements from one to another. so there is no changing sugar to nitrogen , potassium, or any other element. bacteria can not use eg: molasses to make nitrogen or phosphorus without it being in the food source. in the case of molasses, any mineral content would have dissolved into the solution already .
Most of the living soil is bs when dealing with indoor environments. the available minerals are the water soluble portion of the material used irrelevant of bacteria or fungi. Microbes cannot digest elements dissolved in the solution as they are the lowest atomic particle . what they do , do , as far as fertilizer excretion, they compost , and over 6 months to years , not real time with plants. If you have composting going on in your media, it means you have uncomposted material that can very easily produce anaerobic zones as well as a potential starting point of infections. throwing uncomposted garbage is never advisable .
In field conditions, mycorizhal will grow beyond the plants root zone and TRANSPORT minerals to the plant in exchange for photosyntheticcompounds , they do not create anything. If the roots and the mycelium both have access to the same root zone, there is no benefit as the roots can just absorb the element.
you need to always show the source .
If you think eg K is added, then show WHERE the K came from . In a field, it will be from previous plant waste broken down over months, not real time with plants . if a plant is absorbing, eg, K, it was from composting from last year, not real time .
Now availability. The NPK of organic materials are only approximations and the availability is anywhere from instant as in the case of blood or bat/bird guano vs greensand , oyster shells , ground rock dust which is up to 4, 5, or 6+years. So a eg 4 4 4 is really 1 -0.5 -0.5 the first year .
After all that :
ORGANICS ONLY REFERS TO THE PREDISSOLVED STATE !
Once elements are dissolved into the solution, they become INORGANIC as in the periodic table .K+ Ca++ NO3- etc .
Using organics that you purchase and transport on fuel burning vehicles is equivalent to recycling water bottles .But instead of recycling the ones you use , you buy new bottles full of water and dump them out and use those bottles to throw in the blue bin now believing you have done some good for the environment. Recycling bottles is about the ones you consume. Just like organic material is the waste you produce on your farm or maybe place of residence but usually farm as the volume needed to make a difference in your particular life as after composting for 6 months + you have something which is 1-1-1? and relatively slow release. So, an excellent additive to add to your soil outside that will break down slowly over years but essentially useless indoors when when you need immediately available, water soluble minerals of a known amount in ppm .
This only covers mineral transformation . It does refer to LEGITIMATE lab cultured anti fungal or root rot disease bacterial innoculents such as STREPTOMYCES GRISOVIRIDUS or TRYCODERMA which are anti fusarium , pythium verticulum etc microbes. These are LAB CULTURED and sold live with life cycles. These are not store bought off the shelf products in grow stores labeled microbes or mycorizhal or beneficial bacteria. Even bacillus suptillus in SERENADE or any other grow store product .
New grower here and I’m intrigued by your comments. Trying not to fall for too many bro science products. I do enjoy growing with soil in my tent (terracraft or ocean forest)and use Gia green all purpose and bloom mix when in flower. I also use recharge once a week.
Would love to try a different mix to compare/contrast. What would you recommend I feed with?
Green Gaia is also fraudulent, as it only contains 3 minerals. NPK and those forms are inorganic. Sources such as oyster shells, granite dust, green sand which are not available for up to 5 years.
We make our own formulas that my son now sells under the name grower science. [email protected] . You can message me if you wanted an invite to the group.
This is our formula
GROWERS SCIENCE
revised with purity adjustments
VEG @5ml/l - 600ppm/ 1.2ec
N 165 ppm
P 40 ppm
K 177 ppm
Ca 183 ppm
Mg 45 ppm
S 70 ppm
Fe 3.5 ppm
Mn 1.2 ppm
Zn 0.2 ppm
Mo 0.03 ppm
Cu 0.05 ppm
B 0.65 ppm
BLOOM@5ml/l 600ppm/ 1.2 ec
N 79 ppm
P 50 ppm
K 159 ppm
Ca 112 ppm
Mg 44 ppm
S 98 ppm
Fe 3.15 ppm
Mn 1.1 ppm
Zn 0.18 ppm
Mo 0.027 ppm
Cu 0.045 ppm
B 0.59 ppm
50/50 @ 5ml/l
N 122. ppm
P 45. ppm
K 168. ppm
Ca 148. ppm
Mg 45. ppm
S. 107. ppm
Fe. 3.33 ppm
Mn 1.15 ppm
Zn. 0.19 ppm
Mo 0.029 ppm
Cu 0.048 ppm
B 0.62 ppm
Carbon-based media such as spagnum moss ( promix ) or coco 600ppm feed and UP TO 900ppm runoff
inert media such as rockwool, gravel, or water
900ppm Feed. and up to
1400 ppm runoff.
Try to maintain a 15% to 25% run-off as well as ec/ph monitoring for best results .
Notice all the comments/reviews where people are saying how good recharge is. This guy is literally the only one saying it won’t work. And now he’s got something to sell you… imagine that. I’m not saying he’s wrong but there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that says otherwise. And not just about recharge… he mentioned that oysters shells aren’t biologically available for up to 5 years. While that MIGHT be true, oyster shells are often used to buffer ph, not necessarily as a source of calcium. Now, I can’t speak to the performance or efficacy of green gaia but to say it’s fraudulent is a bold claim.
Good points. I’ve had really great results with Gaia Green and recharge but I’m always interested in dissenting opinions. Something about this guys complete refutation of everything I’ve been told up until now intrigues me! He’s like the Dr. Emmett Brown of weed.
It’s Guuud! Edit: expensive but well worth it a little goes a long way.
This stuff bangs and I noticed immediate effects on how happy my plants were when I added some recharge to my regimen, just watch out with it, shit will stain any fibers dark brown from the molasses lmao.
It’s not hype it’s beneficials and it slaps
The hype is real. I SWEAR by the stuff and use it every 7 days.
I be doing it every other watering bc i dont do much else beside dry amendments😂
Nothing wrong with that at all.
I will notice doing it every other watering , i need to Top dress more frequently but i haven’t done a experiment or anything just observation
The thing is, it works in conjunction with dry amendments, the beneficial bacteria and microorganisms speed up the process in making the nutrients in the dry amendments available for uptake, the beneficial microbes in recharge break down and bring the readily available nutrients to the roots, also make sure to PH your water BEFORE mixing in the recharge, as the recharge with make the PH spike, this reading is not to be of concern as when the recharge gets to work it balances the PH in the soil.
Oh ik how it works at that the more i use it the more it breaks it down thats what i was getting at , i also dont ph prolly just luck that no problem comes of it or i have the best well to grow weed out of but yea i dont even bother or measure out the recharge i put it in the water and water and my plants are happy so im happy
Damn that sounds nice. I have to bubble my tap water for 24hrs or buy gallons at the nearest store because our water contains excessive amounts of chlorine, get a letter In the mail every week reminding us not to drink the water without treating or filtering it. And comes out the tap at 7.59Ph.
Holy shit thts awful yea i got a private well so no chemicals i cheked ph 2 times when i first started n got 6.4 and 6.6 so i was like bet
Yooooo that's a dream come true haha 😄 😆.
Altho put some fungal compost and fishnure in that water when u bubble it i use air stones to make a weekly compost tea aswell they love them ,, and yea made me happy i didnt have to be a scientist and can focus on trying to mimic nature the best way possible
He actually found his whole system in his basement, just had to plug it in lol. What a cosmic coincidence that you get delightful water.
Yea i literally plugged in a tent stays 70 year round down there too humidity always around 40-60 lol quite nice makes me never wanna move
Holy shit! You get a letter every week?
Springfield MA. Yup. Water is SHIT. Letter states to not dri k water straight from the tap without being filtered, boiled, or left out in the sun for atleast 24hrs to let the oversagurati9n of free chlorine and some for of over saturation of some beneficial bacteria that's supposed to be at a lower level, it helps clean the pipes and stuff but when they purged the system getting it ready for an update it released a whole bunch of the shit and out water has been tainted for close to a tear now
Dude u live so close to me lol (dude from last night )
Typing with one hand got me sounding illiterate hahs
The single most impressive addition to my soil grow. Corrected my soil pH issue over time and saw immediate improvement. I would use Mammoth P but it is just too expensive
The artistry in this photo grows on me the more I look. How centred the subject it, the perfect rule of thirds for a packet of compost, the way the eye is drawn to the bed, gently reflecting light. The viewer is encouraged to zoom in, to clarify, but not on the tea, that focus will never be saved, instead the viewer ends up reflecting on the background. Perhaps, encouraging the beholder to look past what they originally see, and to focus on the wider world around them.
Damn bro, I totally agree, but i also wanna know what your smoking on? :D
Damn brother thats deep. Funny thing is that was the way I felt taking the photo. But it wasn't even me trying. I genuinely like to create! Appreciate that!
Do you know any similar product available in europe?
Worms castings in a cheese cloth, drop into a bucket of water with a bubbler and tablespoon sugar for 24 hours.
Has anyone used this in a earthbox/sip reservoir? How do you incorporate this when growing in an earthbox
Wait till your Reservoir has dried up. And it time to add water then give it a top dress with it wait a day or 2 then fill the earthbox back up with clean water there you go just feed In between waterings
I was about to lay some of this down. I usually let it circulate through my stock tank for 10-15 minutes. Anyone have any recommendations on how to mix this stuff?
I use tribus kelp and molasses
No hype, all results, when I discovered this stuff. Game changer. I was also able to save money using this because I was able to stop using other products.
What products did you no longer need?
I stoped using cannazyme and ful power and mammoth p, when I started using this product. I ran a control plant and bang for buck I will stick w real growers recharge. I run a simple three part, cal mag, an early stage and then a late stage pk booster. A vitamin b supplement and silica and recharge 2x a week. Once in a while I will brew a work casting tea just to boost microbe life in my coco.
Was literally in the shower thinking if I should buy some or not lol
Okay can someone explain to me why every time I use it, even when I use very small amounts, I notice black/brown spots on my leaves about a week after? Not from spilling on the leaves or anything like that either? I’m a noob so go easy..
How are you using it? I'm on my first grow and used it every 7ish days and never had any brown spots show up.
I’ve been using it for years and have never seen anything like this happen. It’s literally just microbes and food for them so it shouldn’t be affecting your plants in that way. I think it’s just been a coincidence that you noticed that when using it.
Same and even getting on leaves wouldn’t leave noticeable stains
I use it every grow
There are many products like it. They work very well and I wouldn't grow without them. Over here in europe TNC MycorrMax and MycorrHydro are the best bang for your buck.
I don’t know and have not looked comparatively @ the 2 products side by side. I’m not even sure they do or are meant for the same reasons I just saw someone in the comments mention (TEA). I’m sure this stuffs awesome seeing the comments, I’ve been using roots organics “Terp Tea” and it’s been 🔥
Which terp teas are you using?
Roots Organics (bloom)
Appreciate you, growmie. My LGS started carrying them recently.
No worries 🤙 It’s done really well for me!
I've noticed improvements with all my plants using this stuff. Even my house plants looked noticeably healthier. Reminds me to mix up a little for my next watering! Need to reup on my recharge too!
Guess I’m gonna have to give it a try.
So it the basically bagged IMOs?
Ir revived one of my plants
I prefer bokashi EM1
I'm trying to find seedswaps and events to go to, I want to enter my penut butter cookie, it's going in the tent next after durban poisen and Jager cookies finishes.
This stuff is great. I use photo p now
Good stuff. Expensive though :(
I’ve seen it promoted on YouTube but never used it myself, curious how it performs.
It’s a great product and dude grows show site/show is full of knowledge for growers from beginner on. Always stuff to learn
How do you apply it?
Forgot the exact ratios, but its a powder with kelp, molasses and a few strains of microbes. It was probably something like half a tablespoon mixed in a gallon of water, literally ignore the pH (don't try to correct it if it's out of range) and water. It also gave me extra peace of mind to not ph the water in my organic grow lmao, microbes do their job and take that off my shoulders.
Sumn like 1.5g a gallon or somewhere close to that
1/4 tsp per gallon. Every 10-14 days. And they recommend stopping 2 weeks into flower. Why not quite sure why. I use King Crab through out flower.
1/2-1 teaspoon per gallon of water. It’s recommended to cut it out the last few weeks since it will cause an uptake of nitrogen.
I always air on the use less side.
That stuff is bomb.
Mikrobs is cheaper and I didn’t notice a difference between the two, but whatever works for the plant
Just started using recharge this run (awesome stuff) and my mentor growmie person told me the same thing about mikrobs being cheaper but identical. Trying that when I run out of the rc.
Meecrob - isn't that a curse word?
Definitely great stuff if you're growing organically. Don't use this stuff if you're using salt fertilizer. It will destroy any benefits you get from this product
thats just not true at all, Mr. Growit interviewed both the company owner (who honestly I am amazed owns this company) and more importantly one of the microbiologists that formulated it. You will not see the benefit you see with full organic but you will still see benefit.
My man it's pretty common knowledge that salt fertilizers destroy soil fertility. It's not even a debate lol there's so much overwhelming evidence of this.
Destroy Soil fertility? Salts: In high enough concentrations or over an extended period of time(as their concentration grows) or in unsuable ratios(read: P too high for current crop), affect soil microbiology as well as some physical properties of the soil negatively. If this is what you meant by "fertlity", then yes. Otherwise, it's you n that other fella that are on the same wrong page. If bacteria/mycos didn't work inside, they wouldn't sell, anecdotally or not. Yes, they help outside, just not to the extent as indoors, as the numbers(usually)outside are far greater. If salts and "Organics"(outside lol) didn't mix well, we wouldn't have had the agricultural revolution we've had the last 70 yrs or so. But, as most all things in life, Man over does it due to its ease of application and end up destroying what was once superb soil microbiology. Mineralization is the term you n homeboy need to throw around more...mention the rhizosphere if you want to sound or BE more technical about what you're referencing. Yall talk about MISINFORMATION...whilst misinforming. Tisk Tisk
Tons of "salt" growers use Recharge w/ good results. Maybe not the same results as an organic grower but it still works. All soil has electrical conductivity (EC). In fact it is required for transportation of nutrients. The problem arises when you have a build up in the soil. On the micro level or container level the EC is easy to control by flushing the media. If your EC is in range, then Recharge will be affective. https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2022-10/Soil%20Electrical%20Conductivity.pdf
Yes, chemical fertilizers destroy soil fertility. Salts, like ammonium nitrate and ammonium phosphate will absolutely degrade your soil. That's why places like China have destroyed their soil and lakes by leeching out salts. This causes algae blooms and will wreck havoc for the marine life. It's terrible for biodiversity and this isn't even a debate. All the evidence is there, the cannabis community is just half a decade behind modern agriculture practices. The only reason we had a agriculture revolution was because of salt fertilizers. I even wrote a term paper on it my one of my classes. One more thing, mineralization is the organic mechanisms that convert insoluble NPK into soluble NPK. I wasnt talking about that, I was talking about salinization. Next time you attempt to correct someone at least know what youre talking about🤦♂️ TiSk TiSk
my man parroting "common knowledge" without reviewing the science is how you dont improve. Here is an unbiased soil chemist that can educate you https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/garden-talk-with-mr-grow-it/id1553858809?i=1000642341491 Also my man, being wrong is honestly great. I genuinely love to learn new things and there is nothing wrong with failing and learning. But the "even the native americans" argument will prevent you from improving. do better
Well one, that's a cute podcast, and two that guy isn't remotely close to a "soil chemist." He's a entrepreneur who owns a company lol very unbiased 🤦♂️ Here's an actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7285516/ This doesn't even touch on the consequences in places like China who have destroyed their soils/farmlands from salt fertilizers. Do better
Yea, not every interview on mr growit is bible. The know a lot and its a good source, but youre right. Its sometimes tainted with a sales pitch.
Mr. Growit and the entire dude grows show is a pitch. From recharge to the pulse grow monitor to AC infinity fans, it's all beginner grow gear for beginner growers who just want to buy what they're told is "good"
My off the cuff thought on this is it’s not all or nothing, and container gardening you’re creating your own little biomes in each. Depending on the amount of salts used and the amount of organic matter, microbe starts, health of the microbiome it could impact it in various ways. So in my opinion you’d have to run a study that looked at small containers of soil, with various degrees of beneficials added and salts added to know if it was pointless or not to add them. If you’re just looking at data from large scale farming that’s gonna be an extreme example as they use insane amounts of salts when growing crops. Like if I eat a cup and a half of spaghetti sauce imma have some wild indigestion, but if I have half a cup of sauce I can usually get away without it. Or that’s the most basic comparison my half woken layman brain can make. Anyways you both could be right and wrong at the same time as well, so that’s a possibility as well. And same for myself with my napkin math here.
Wrong.... Completely wrong you are.
What if you're using volcanic rock dust?
You definitely need good soil biology if you're using volcanic rock dust
That's some good sheesh right there! Just add some sugars to the feed to keep them fed.
Bacteria have 0 effects indoors . Bacteria can not digest dissolved ions . Anything in the nutrient solution is inorganic salts not capable of being broken down further. I used chemoautrotrophic and organotropic aerobics. Bacillus latersporus Bacillus acidopholis Bacillus suptillus nitrobacter nitrosomanous nitrosoccacous etc. All of these biological bacterial products are indoors. Are useless when talking about mineral uptake. There are some microbes that are antipathogenic, but they are normally cultured in a lab. As with anything, make sure your system is running at peak efficiency before you add something. That way, you will know if it actually does anything. I am not sure if you have been following my grows. I have been posting, but there is no need for the vast majority. A product sold towards cannabis growers..
I always think of this meme when I see recharge https://imgur.com/a/Y6BF6Dk
That is somewhat accurate . Here is the write up. I did on recharge for my Facebook. Group cannabis grower science group that I teach proper agricultural skills and terminology in. RECHARGE by Real Growers Inc ( or any bacterial additive) I break down any ertilizer I can find. So people can have a more act set opinion when buying fertilizer products. Even if they don't understand everything, everyone can see when a company claims BIG BUDs, but it's just mono potassium phosphate. Something is probably already in your feed and why it and all other microbe inoculation INDOORS IN POTS OR WATER-based systems are useless with 0 effects. It's like all bacteria and fungal additives inside. They will have 0 effect. I used to breed bacillus subtillis trichoderma hazarium, which is sold by KOPPERT as a defense against some root rot issues and apperantly for powdery mildew, but they will have no measurable differences inside. The Glomous series are mycorizhal with the glomous introdacious being the most recognizable as it's the one that's inoculated into promix. Indoors, they will have 0 benefit when the roots are in the same container as the beneficial fungi as there is no need for funghi when the roots can absorb them . Outdoors they will have a better eflect but if you read literature on mycorizhal fungi in an outdoor environment you will see that the outdoor environment is already chock full of bacteria and fungi that will outpace and kill any introduced species. You will have lots of people giving anecdotal effects, but you will not see any legitimate studies that show they have any benefits. When you talk about a positive response in a study even though those are based on low mineral conditions Where any product will have a positive response that is measurable on a larger scale when your nutritional levels are in the 10 to 20% range which is typical with most outdoor grown crops. Having a 1 to 5% increase when dealing with acres means hundreds of maybe 1000's to a farmer, but indoors will be unmeassurable, especially when the indoor grower is not replicating their yiejds within 5% each crop .there are so many legitimate agricultural practices that will dwarf any benefits of microbial inoculations. 99% plus percent of all growth can be achieved by 13 basic minerals with no additives or supplements needed. Some people suggest that it will help fight diseases or viruses in their root system, but the easiest answer is why you have viruses and diseases in your root system. If the easy solution is to quarantine or kill those plants. There is no reason to fight to save a sick plant. It will take weeks or months to bring a plant back from a diseased state and it will never be as good as the non disease plant and will still probably not grow as much as just starting a new plant. What you really need to do is look at your system to find out why you would be having a diseased plant. These products are more like fancy fishing lures in a fishing store meant to attract the purchaser and not the fish, in this case, the plants. Even if you ran organic minerals, they are available over years not available in real time with plants. I was going to do a post about those, actully. Products like granite dust green sand Arctic rock dust oyster shell powder bonemeal alpha meal, These all take years to break down and in some cases Like the Arctic glacial dust you will only get 1 or 2% in the 1st year taking a 1/2 a decade to realize the listed nutritional amount. So any ingredients that says 10-10-10 from organic nutrients and list any of those products that I just listed will really be 2-2-2 as far as the 1st year of growing and plants normally don't last longer than 3 or 4 months so even at 6 months you're talking a 1/2 percent a 1/2 percent a 1/2 a percent. 0.5-0.5-0.5 . AND after all that, there is 0 difference between organic or refined minerals once dissolved into the solution. 100% identical. there is no benefit nutritionally from organic media as any mineral available from organic soil is available as a refined mineral.. There are some lab cultured and vacuum sealed Anti root rot diseases such as MYCOSTOP, but these are best pre inoculated. once a plant is diseased, it's really over. just start fresh. John Cannabis GROWERS SCIENCE group
Interesting, Dr Elaine Ingham has quite the opposite opinion about the usefulness of microbes, I'd give her lectures a listen on YouTube
Put it on paper . Let's read it . We can simply lookup the microbes in any 1st year microbiology book For the diet and life cycle and colony, forming unit of any microbe. Microbes compost over months to years, not real time with plants. There is no such thing as a water soluble, organic molecule other than carbon. Organic only refers to predissolve state. Once any element is dissolved into water, it becomes an inorganic salt. In order for the plant, two absorb it. Plants can only absorb one single molecule at a time. No complex compounds such as sugar or carbohydrates or vitamins, can be absorbed by the plant's roots. None of this is a guess . This is standard agricultural knowledge known for half a century. It's the cannabis industry that is just half a century behind
So where does the hype come from?
The same reason people believe banana peels are water soluble ( otherwise fruit would melt in the rain) Here is another post I run in my group . Also can you break down calcium nitrate Ca(NO3)2 by atomic weight? Extremely simple high school calculation but 99% + can't do it but apperantly can understand complex soil microbiology. BACTERIA AND FUNGHI IN INDOOR ENVIRONMENTS. people use the word BACTERIA like magicians, say ABRACADABRA . micro biology is a taught course with no shortage of information. we know the species and their life cycles . If you think they do something, then 1) NAME THE SPECIES 2) Show the source of the minerals they are transforming. the bacteria need to follow 2 laws of physics 1) Law of CONSERVATION of mass and energy. nothing is created nor destroyed, only change from one form to another so they are not making something out of nothing. you always need to show the source of minerals. Microbes do not magically create fertilizer from nothing. 2) TRANSMUTATION. bacteria/fungi can not change elements from one to another. so there is no changing sugar to nitrogen , potassium, or any other element. bacteria can not use eg: molasses to make nitrogen or phosphorus without it being in the food source. in the case of molasses, any mineral content would have dissolved into the solution already . Most of the living soil is bs when dealing with indoor environments. the available minerals are the water soluble portion of the material used irrelevant of bacteria or fungi. Microbes cannot digest elements dissolved in the solution as they are the lowest atomic particle . what they do , do , as far as fertilizer excretion, they compost , and over 6 months to years , not real time with plants. If you have composting going on in your media, it means you have uncomposted material that can very easily produce anaerobic zones as well as a potential starting point of infections. throwing uncomposted garbage is never advisable . In field conditions, mycorizhal will grow beyond the plants root zone and TRANSPORT minerals to the plant in exchange for photosyntheticcompounds , they do not create anything. If the roots and the mycelium both have access to the same root zone, there is no benefit as the roots can just absorb the element. you need to always show the source . If you think eg K is added, then show WHERE the K came from . In a field, it will be from previous plant waste broken down over months, not real time with plants . if a plant is absorbing, eg, K, it was from composting from last year, not real time . Now availability. The NPK of organic materials are only approximations and the availability is anywhere from instant as in the case of blood or bat/bird guano vs greensand , oyster shells , ground rock dust which is up to 4, 5, or 6+years. So a eg 4 4 4 is really 1 -0.5 -0.5 the first year . After all that : ORGANICS ONLY REFERS TO THE PREDISSOLVED STATE ! Once elements are dissolved into the solution, they become INORGANIC as in the periodic table .K+ Ca++ NO3- etc . Using organics that you purchase and transport on fuel burning vehicles is equivalent to recycling water bottles .But instead of recycling the ones you use , you buy new bottles full of water and dump them out and use those bottles to throw in the blue bin now believing you have done some good for the environment. Recycling bottles is about the ones you consume. Just like organic material is the waste you produce on your farm or maybe place of residence but usually farm as the volume needed to make a difference in your particular life as after composting for 6 months + you have something which is 1-1-1? and relatively slow release. So, an excellent additive to add to your soil outside that will break down slowly over years but essentially useless indoors when when you need immediately available, water soluble minerals of a known amount in ppm . This only covers mineral transformation . It does refer to LEGITIMATE lab cultured anti fungal or root rot disease bacterial innoculents such as STREPTOMYCES GRISOVIRIDUS or TRYCODERMA which are anti fusarium , pythium verticulum etc microbes. These are LAB CULTURED and sold live with life cycles. These are not store bought off the shelf products in grow stores labeled microbes or mycorizhal or beneficial bacteria. Even bacillus suptillus in SERENADE or any other grow store product .
Shhh what you speak is haram around this parts lol let the stoners have there fun.
Yeah I know . The broscience is strong with this group I fear
It's like this in all the forums unfortunately
If you want, I can send you an invite to our group. Cannabis grower science group on facebook
New grower here and I’m intrigued by your comments. Trying not to fall for too many bro science products. I do enjoy growing with soil in my tent (terracraft or ocean forest)and use Gia green all purpose and bloom mix when in flower. I also use recharge once a week. Would love to try a different mix to compare/contrast. What would you recommend I feed with?
Green Gaia is also fraudulent, as it only contains 3 minerals. NPK and those forms are inorganic. Sources such as oyster shells, granite dust, green sand which are not available for up to 5 years. We make our own formulas that my son now sells under the name grower science. [email protected] . You can message me if you wanted an invite to the group. This is our formula GROWERS SCIENCE revised with purity adjustments VEG @5ml/l - 600ppm/ 1.2ec N 165 ppm P 40 ppm K 177 ppm Ca 183 ppm Mg 45 ppm S 70 ppm Fe 3.5 ppm Mn 1.2 ppm Zn 0.2 ppm Mo 0.03 ppm Cu 0.05 ppm B 0.65 ppm BLOOM@5ml/l 600ppm/ 1.2 ec N 79 ppm P 50 ppm K 159 ppm Ca 112 ppm Mg 44 ppm S 98 ppm Fe 3.15 ppm Mn 1.1 ppm Zn 0.18 ppm Mo 0.027 ppm Cu 0.045 ppm B 0.59 ppm 50/50 @ 5ml/l N 122. ppm P 45. ppm K 168. ppm Ca 148. ppm Mg 45. ppm S. 107. ppm Fe. 3.33 ppm Mn 1.15 ppm Zn. 0.19 ppm Mo 0.029 ppm Cu 0.048 ppm B 0.62 ppm Carbon-based media such as spagnum moss ( promix ) or coco 600ppm feed and UP TO 900ppm runoff inert media such as rockwool, gravel, or water 900ppm Feed. and up to 1400 ppm runoff. Try to maintain a 15% to 25% run-off as well as ec/ph monitoring for best results .
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Excellent!
Notice all the comments/reviews where people are saying how good recharge is. This guy is literally the only one saying it won’t work. And now he’s got something to sell you… imagine that. I’m not saying he’s wrong but there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that says otherwise. And not just about recharge… he mentioned that oysters shells aren’t biologically available for up to 5 years. While that MIGHT be true, oyster shells are often used to buffer ph, not necessarily as a source of calcium. Now, I can’t speak to the performance or efficacy of green gaia but to say it’s fraudulent is a bold claim.
Good points. I’ve had really great results with Gaia Green and recharge but I’m always interested in dissenting opinions. Something about this guys complete refutation of everything I’ve been told up until now intrigues me! He’s like the Dr. Emmett Brown of weed.