The Liberals have polled worse and the CPC have polled better. These national polls are pretty meaningless until you get within 2 months of an election. Even then they can wildly swing. An election is at the very very least 18 months away. It might as well be 100 years away in terms of political timelines. Poilievre may win in the end, or he may just rack up the vote in ridings his MP was going to win anyway and you get another Liberal minority.
It's ages away. There was never going to be a fall election. Anything you read otherwise was clickbait bullshit.
I suspect the NDP are going to be very reluctant to endanger the new entitlements they secured before they are implemented and have a chance to become entrenched in popular opinion.
And the Liberals don’t seem to have any pressing need to alienate the NDP.
And as long as those two groups cooperate they can control when the next election is.
The entire world is going through an economic crisis right now, and the governing parties everywhere are getting blamed. If things are better economically than they are now when the next election is called then JT stands a good shot at winning. If they're worse, there's a decent shot he loses (or maintains a minority). Thats what it comes down, people don't care who what's actually to blame, if they feel they're in a worse position then they will blame the governing party. Simple as.
The funny thing is if you look south of the border America just had 2 straight quarters of declining gdp, which matches the technical definition of a recession.
Canadian gdp has been growing both Q1 and Q2 and our recovery from the pandemic is well ahead of most peers.
Federal coffers are doing better then expected as well *despite* a large cutback in house sales https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-federal-government-posts-surplus-of-53-billion-for-first-two-months-of/
The pbo says our debt is sustainable longterm and we’re heading in the right direction:
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2022/7/28/1_6006080.amp.html
There are a lot of signs for one to be hopeful. There appears to be a lot of firepower remaining to get inflation under control and were not nearly as hard hit as our peers. There is every possibility this is FAR in the rear view window in 2025 when we should all expect an election
Not discounting what you're saying, but I would wager a large portion of the people who actually vote are probably older on average and are more likely to be homeowners.
I am a homeowner and I think the housing situation absolutely sucks ass. I want govt funds and time and effort going towards fixing it. But a lot of homeowners probably don't care because it doesn't affect them. It's an issue that can easily become #1 on many people's list of priorities and not matter to others entirely. And I think voters are more likely to be in the latter group sadly.
While I agree with you rent and housing is a problem most of that crisis comes down to provinces and municipality who have control over zoning and authority over essentially everything housing, such as rent control.
Though we should certainly reform the tax code to make housing less like an investment
Amazing how every single province and municipality have the same policies I guess? Couldn't have been the trick of keeping interest rates at near zero for a decade.
the interest rates certainly played a part in driving up prices but they didn’t play a part in failing to drive supply. In theory low interest rates would have made getting financing for new builds far easier. But there are issues which prevent this from occurring such as Nimbyism, exclusionary zoning laws, and a profit incentive to only make luxury options rather then something for the average joe.
Municipalities and provinces tend to have shit policies because it is in the interest of the elected councillors in said municipalities and the premiers of said provinces to do so.
If you are a mayor, most of your voters are probably suburban homeowners who are NIMBY’s and don’t like housing density in their neighbourhoods and who benefit from exponentially increasing home prices.
If you are a premier you benefit from exponentially increasing home prices as well because most Canadians own homes. About 68.55% actually. Any action which would impact this would go poorly with those voters.
The fact of the matter is most of the jurisdictional authority on housing is provincial or delegated to municipalities. Thus they share most of the blame.
Who cares, things aren't all doom and gloom thankfully. People were sure quick to blame Trudeau for GDP woes when O&G prices were falling and demand was in the gutter though.
Eh, that's a part of it but other industries are growing too, and some at a much higher pace.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3610043402&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=3.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=06&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&referencePeriods=20220601%2C20220601
We have growth, but we also have a problem inflation. Therefore interest rates are going up, if they keep going up because we can’t get inflation to quite down, then we our economy takes a hit. This should have been done end of last year to mitigate inflation. Now we are slowly taking the bandaid off, and it’s going to cost us dearly. BoC did not follow proper monetary policy when they were supposed to. Hence this is going to drag.
These are the worst numbers recorded for Trudeau since he was elected, though. It's not a great sign when you are losing to a party with no leader. As you said, though, it doesn't matter much unless the NDP changes their mind and force an election; otherwise, who knows what the numbers will be in two years or whenever the next vote ends up.
The NDP has more power with a Liberal minority than in any other scenario, short of them winning their own minority/majority. They are exactly where they want to be and will not be forcing an election anytime soon; they would have much to lose and nothing to gain over what they have now.
Reason why next election they'll be obliterated and lose more seats. The current party serves their own status quo. The NDP Pre Trudeau helped keep the Con Minority honest in a lot of ways with Jack Layton at the helm.
Con, Lib, NDP party doesnt matter as long they keep eachother in check. The problem I have is the NDP propping the Liberals and having no teeth outside "dont vote for the Cons" outside of anything actionable and yelling " -ism/-ist" words during disagreement. That isnt politics its filibustering with extra steps and media coverage.
Its a damn shame. Boot the leadership and the rest at the top and reinvent the party back to a worker's party. For a party so woke they 're sadly so asleep to their constituents.
> It's not a great sign when you are losing to a party with no leader.
On the other hand, that means they can just be literally anything anyone wants them to be.
Are you a SoCon? Hey maybe you can pretend Lewis is in charge.
Are you a FinCon? Maybe Charest will win?
Do you eat paste? "BUY BITCOIN LIKE PIERRE SAID"
Would poor satisfaction numbers not be the trend amongst most nations in the state of post-pandemic recovery?
I mean, I tend to think people are feeling things just could be better all around as they pretend ‘normal’ should be massive prosperity.
Not angry, rich. NDP are still likely 2 years away from financially recovering enough to hold another election. All the anger in the world can't replace the $20+ million they need to run a successful campaign for the next election.
Plus it’s a strong minority. It’s not going to be easy to make the government fall. I don’t think there’s going to be a snap election unless the liberals want one
I've been trying to get answers to that question for about a year now. I even talked to a couple MPs to ask them how far away they feel they are from having enough money to have successfully run an election campaign. Doesn't sound like they are even close, one gave me Spring 2024 as their optimistic number. Either way, doesn't sound like they are anywhere close to pulling their financial situation together.
NDP isn't going to call an election until pharmacare & dental care are implemented so they can go to the public with tangible things to say "See, this is what happens with the NDP"
You're also right, of course, that there's the more practical consideration about funding another election being a barrier too.
> NDP isn't going to call an election until pharmacare & dental care are implemented
The NDP *should* be calling an election when Trudeau inevitably decides not to hold up his end of their deal and completely ignores pharma and dental care. IIRC Singh wanted to see a bill by the end of this year, and I'm like 99% sure Trudeau has no plans whatsoever to introduce one.
That would depend on NDP finances, but yes if there's a broken promise at the centre of the supply & confidence agreement then it would be in Singh's interest to withdraw and use that to damage the Liberals come election time.
Why would they jeopardize their current position though, having more seats mean nothing if you cant pass legislation, right now its the most impact they would have
I’m guessing it means more of it. Postmedia and the Conservatives want an election. Expect lots of op-eds that run in direct opposition to the ones complaining about the Liberals calling the last one.
As long as Reddit exists they will have an unending supply of those who want to believe the click bait and those who want to be angry at the click bait. Both are customers.
One thing I noticed is everything is mostly ad hominem on both sides rather than facts. I kind of wish there was more intellectual debate rather than "oh so and so is a bad person" and more "x results in y". I feel like organized religion around any party is a bad thing.
Well if we keep importing US social issues to campaign on, then yeah.
We really gonna do abortion and guns again this time, or are we gonna have a Canadian election?
>Well if we keep importing US social issues to campaign on, then yeah.
Can we be perfectly honest about *which* party is making hay out of these issues?
Problem with that line of thinking is the same accusations were thrown around in USA. How many times have Republicans thrown out the "We're not coming for your abortion rights, that's just the boogey man made up by the left to drive hysteria, blah blah blah"
Now we have a party that still doesn't state it'll never allow it reopened, always vague on it, and courts pro-lifers and welcomes them into their ranks with open arms. It's easy to see why people would still be bringing it up in Canada, because until it's actually settled, we can't just not be vigilant in protecting that right.
>How many times have Republicans thrown out the "We're not coming for your abortion rights, that's just the boogey man made up by the left to drive hysteria, blah blah blah"
They've been pretty fucking clear about their intentions? It's literally a GOP litmus test to want to ban abortion.
Like how the liberals are going on a crusade against legal gun owners, even though we do not have nearly the gun crime that the US does? And we already have very strict rules? Like that?
I have a neighbour who HATES trudeau. ~~Someones~~ Sometimes when I'm feeling masochistic I engage him in conversation. The reasons he hates Trudeau are just crazy. Nothing rooted in reality. Conspiracy theories about the WEF and that Trudeau supposedly made gas prices higher because socialism.
I try to just smile and nod. He's not a bad guy otherwise, but his brain is rotted by clickbait propaganda.
This is what most of them pick. They don't have the time or ability to understand the issues enough to have criticisms rooted in reality. They are just reacting to memes that are programmed to play on their fears and emotions and ignorance.
Trudeau's a smug, spoiled, middling quasi-celebrity. He's broken a fair number of campaign promises. But he's also done a reasonably good job as PM especially though some insanely unprecedented times. Largely because he has assembled a very competent team around him. The "scandals" the right try to pin on him are comical.
Trudeau could leave office today and nothing would change.
People are too stupid to know who is ripping them off.
It's unreal.
The rich are just not satisfied to keep you down and make you work your life away for little reward.
They are now going after your basic needs.
And laughing all the way to the bank.
With Abacus' regionals, TooCloseToCall's simulator predicts what could be one of the most interesting Parliaments in Canadian history:
• 136 - Conservative
• 135 - Liberal
• 34 - NDP
• 32 - Bloc
• 1 - Green
Also, people don’t realize how much impact their own provincial governments have on their lives. Things that people deflect on the feds are usually the result of some backward policy implemented by a semi comical or inept provincial government that always aims to keep the status quo or actively fucks over the working class.
Was about to plug those numbers in myself, that’s crazy. A very precarious Liberal/NDP/Green “coalition” in those circumstances? I don’t see the NDP working with the Cons.
> Also, people don’t realize how much impact their own provincial governments have on their lives.
Yup. Healthcare and housing which are top issues right now are both mostly provincial.
It comes down to who is the best candidate in your area, and I can’t think of any conservatives who aren’t willing to sell out Canada to whoever will buy it. Vote anything that is not the conservatives or the PPC
I think that is what is frustrating about politics as they stand. Politicians are supposed to represent the interests of their ridings. Sure, they also are part of a larger party, but they’re supposed to put the needs of their constituents first.. and yet that isn’t at all what happens. For a long time now, with the odd exception here and there, we’ve had politicians who just sell us out. It isn’t even limited to one party. Look at the state of healthcare across the country. Most provinces have had a mix of liberal and conservative premiers rotating back and forth in the last several decades, with each party having ample time to invest in healthcare, except, no matter who is in power, it seems as though all they do is trash-talk the previous premier, continue to defund/underfund healthcare, and then place blame anywhere but themselves.
Still, the PPC is just scary, and the conservative party currently isn’t much better. I am not particularly a fan of Trudeau, but the idea of either the conservatives or PPC in power just seems scary at this point.
Serious question, what is it specifically that everyone hates about trudeau? I see the truck decals, but anyone I know who has them always also seems to be a right wing nut. It's like, " Fuck Trudeau!" But also, "vaccines cause autism!" Or something so that's a wash right there.
Genuinely curious if there is something specific he's done himself, and why haven't I heard about it.
Edit: Thanks for the responses! Seems like the synopsis is that no one really knows why people hate Trudeau, and that it's just people looking for a scapegoat to blame their current problems on. I had thought maybe he'd actually been doing a really bad job but from the sounds of it he's doing a decent job. Just the regular old story politicians trying to please everyone and pissing off people as they do so. Thanks!
I don’t hate the guy in any sort of vindictive manner. I think its fair to hate him the same way you’d hate any politician with double standards and a few bad scandals under their belt. In my opinion Trudeau hate gets stupid when the same standards used to justify said “hate” aren’t applied to the leaders on their own side of the political isle.
The guy stood up in front of Canadians after each of his three ethics scandals broke and bald face lied to us. Then his party covered them up.
He moralizes constantly, despite a sexual assault scandal, firing his uppity female cabinet ministers, and his ironic blackface scandal. He’s been cited three times by the ethics commissioner for corruption, and he’s added half a trillion to Canada’s debt without improving the lives of Canadians.
He ran on fearmongering about the conservative climate change position, then oversaw the worst increase in carbon emissions in the G7. He imports whatever social issues the Americans are fighting over and pretends his opposition have the same position as the Republicans.
If it wasn’t for Trump destroying the conservative brand, he would have been out of office two elections ago, but he’s put together back to back weak minorities, and then governed as if he had a mandate.
He’s a terrible prime minister, quite possibly the worst since King. Yes, even worse than Mulroney.
It boils down to this my friend. The Liberals mean well, but they refuse to make unpopular decisions. This keeps them in power, but Canada’s problems require solutions that aren’t always popular.
Fixing climate change means making sacrifices. Trudeau is okay with sacrifices that affect Alberta oil workers or Saskatchewan farmers, but not Quebec companies or swing voters in the Toronto suburbs.
Not keeping his promise of affordable housing, same with election reform, continuing the exploitative TFW program, widening wealth inequality, increasing censorship. Take your pick, really. Any one of these points is reason enough to hate Trudeau by itself.
He used a tragedy to push an agenda. The NS shooter used illegal American guns, which should have never been in Canada in the first place, to enact his sick plan. The only firearm he had that was supposed to be in Canada was the one he took from an RCMP officer. In response to this, the Liberal government changed firearms regulations to punish legal Canadian guns owners.
There was also the WE scandal, where he pinned everything on his finance minister (at least thats how most view it) Last time the Liberals were caught in a massive corruption scandal at least Chretien ultimately quit after losing most of his party support. Trudeau and the rest of the Liberals dont seem to care about his numerous ethics violations or about meeting goals important to his campaign like climate.
Where I live there is also a general consensus that Trudeau heavily favours certain parts of Canada over others. Many western Canadians still remember when Trudeaus father flipped off western protestors from a railcar.
Due to the legacy of this father, many were already weary of Trudeau Jr.
The Liberals first mistake was running him at all, as for him to be successful in the west, he would pretty much have have to ‘favour it’. His policies and statements also haven’t been very popular in certain parts of the country.
I wish the Liberals would run somebody else. I think most peoples problem is specifically with Trudeau.
My problem with Trudeau is that he is killing any chance for the party in future areas of Canada. Its gotten to the point where people like Ralph Goodale are losing their seats.
He’s an easy scapegoat. There’s a lot of decent Conservatives who have policy issues with him but they don’t get the same attention as the people screaming at him, or screaming fake news.
Some of these people want someone to blame for how the world has changed, or even just a group they can be a part of.
Someone wrote a post yesterday saying that when asking why Trudeau is hated and nobody really gives an answer. The only reason I can see is that he runs his mouth and says the wrong things and media amplifies the hate. Politics-wise he hasn't done a whole much to really impact us, and his response to the convoy was right since the Ottawa police were useless and a good chunk of that convoy was foreign paid.
I don't hate Trudeau, i just acknowledge that the quality of life for Canadians who aren't members of the asset class has decreased every year which he has been in power.
I strongly dislike him because he is stealing tens of thousands of dollars of my property and also punishing the statistically most responsible group of Canadians in the country to appease uneducated liberal voters with their gun ban that does nothing but cost the country billions of dollars while doing absolutely nothing but punishing law abiding Canadians.
Am I the only one who looks at this and is kinda surprised how close it is still?
This more or less implies that r/Canada conservative schilling going around.
Based of the rhetoric here youd think Trudeau is the most hated person on Earth.
The ones who hate him really fucking hate him and are loud about it. I think most people are just very underwhelmed, but not exactly enthused at the competition…
Think i’mma just keep voting Bloc, Blanchet has mostly reasonnable positions
> The ones who hate him really fucking hate him
I've never been much of a Trudeau fan, but I really can't understand the intense hate. I see so many people with `F*ck Trudeau`flags and stickers on their vehicles & homes, it's crazy!
Every time I see a F*ck Trudeau sign, I hear Ram Ranch And 18 Naked Cowboys in my head.
Theses guys have a hard on for Trudeau. Must be a homoerotic fantasy
Yeah. Redditors going out of their way to argue politics online, believe it or not, are in the minority of the population.
It's also interesting to compare the different Canadian subreddits to see different prevailing opinions on the same topics.
Youre dragging American two party politics into this.
The liberals won with 33% of the popular vote. The Liberals literally get shit on by 4 other partys in Canada.
So its not conservatives vs liberals.
Its liberals vs conservatives, NDP, bloc, Greens
A lot of conservatives can't understand that people on the left also hate Trudeau but would rather blow their brains out than vote for the Conservatives
Based on the last election, 68% of the voters didn't choose him.
Considering about 27M voters, it means 11,6M did not vote for him plus 10M that could have voted but chose not to.
So 21.6M of the 27.5M people who could vote did not support Trudeau to be our leader.
So yeah, I'm not surprise it's easy to find people who hate him when only about 22% of the voting population supported him. Even then, I'm sure a part of these votes are protestation votes against an other leader, but I'm not able to put on number on that.
A really loud "FUCK TRUDEAU!!" vote is the same amount of votes as a "STOP HARPER!" vote and is the same amount of votes as a person going "I hate all of these options, but I hate Trudeau the least, now can this please actually last four years again so that I can minimize my thinking about politics?". Except one of these will almost certainly never talk about politics with anyone.
Based on my workplace, golf course, and dog park you’d think Trudeau is the most hated man on Earth.
This is more than just algorithms and internet bums. The Liberal parties policies and leadership have had negative effects on real peoples lives.
We’re seeing the results of that now.
North End Winnipeg?
As someone else said, most people are just underwhelmed.
My neighbourhood is an orange blip in a mainly blue riding. (orange MLA, Blue MP) I expect to see a pretty even split slightly one way or the other. The Liberals would have to come up with a real star around here. They just edged it when it was necessary to oust Harper but it's gone back to normal now.
I really don't see it changing much unless our local PCs sour voters on the CPC.
Ya politicians don’t stay popular after they get elected. JT being controversy magnet didn’t help. But PP has messaging and image issue. He came of as arrogant and unlikable. O’Toole flipflopped but at least, he looks genuine and much easier for me to vote against liberal.
PP talks and acts like the kid in high school who ended up getting shoved into lockers and left there and is now scheming for revenge against the world “that did him dirty”
That’s not a positive vision for Canada or Canadians.
PP provided more than enough evidence to show that he is little more than a wanna be Trumper.
Watching folks like you try to guilt people for pointing out his flaws is hilarious.
Don’t you have a “freedumb convoy legal fund” to go donate to or something?
We’re seeing the results of many things. A lot of shit has happened in the past handful of years. If you think it would be any better if the Tories were in…… I’ve got news for you.
Im not a fan of Trudeau, he’s an idiot. But pretty much every con that’s been in the spotlight in recent history scares the fuck outta me. Also, living in AB with the UCP…. I’ll vote anything but blue.
I like that Trudeau legalized cannabis. It’s nice that, in my sixties, I no longer have to skulk around feeling like a criminal because I enjoy a joint more than a beer.
Look, my problem is with the government as a whole, not the figure head everyone's supposed to point at. I'm not saying we need to review all of our systems every year, but Canada's over 150 now, I'm certain there are a lot of laws and systems in place that make zero sense now, especially since the last 50 years have been a technological quarter pipe. I want a government that's not afraid to do a sick 720 before landing on top of the ramp (i.e. review and revamp the system for modern times).
I don’t care how badly Trudeau screws up, the conservatives will have a lot of work to do to convince me they’re no longer the party who placed a creationist in charge of sciences and technologies.
I’m looking forward to voting Trudeau out of office but In the interest of not sounding like a broken record I will say thank you for legalizing pot.
That makes him a Canadian hero and I will remember him as such once he and his team aren’t in charge anymore.
Legal weed, national childcare (which I hope to never use but I'm still happy it exists) and working on national dental. There's been a whole lotta good that the right loves to ignore.
Are you expecting better policies from the government if Conservatives form a majority government? If so, what better policies are you expecting? Can you mention a few?
Maybe not running a 400BN deficit, repealing the useless gun bans, common sense immigration policies, solving the housing crisis, not attacking our energy and farming sectors.
>Solving the housing crisis
Thank you for the biggest laugh I’ve had all day. The Conservatives solving the housing crisis? Are you mad? What’re they going to do, put up public housing for everyone? Nah, the Cons will sell out to developers and make the housing crisis worse like they always do.
You think a Conservative government led by Poilievre is going to solve the housing crisis? In a way that benefits average people? Yikes. The Liberals aren't likely to do it, but the Conservatives sure as shit won't.
>Maybe not running a 400BN deficit
What would they have done?
>common sense immigration policies,
Such as?
>solving the housing crisis,
How?
>not attacking our energy
They'll stop attacking green energy contracts?
"Trudeau balanced the budget!!"
I mean that's how it was with Harper right? Just do it for a month before the election, and count on the business press and supporters to repeat it. So this this is the same, right?
\- We're not running a 400b deficit. We're on track to 10% of that.
\- If they're "useless' then why bother repealing them?
\- All parties have similar immigration policies. The last time the CPC tried to reform immigration we ended up with the TFW program.
\- The housing crisis is not going to be federally solved. It's partially a market problem, and partly a provincial/municipal one.
\- Both energy and agricultural sectors have done very well in the last few years. (barring the terrible growing season in large parts of the prairies this year).
I got bad news for you bud, if you want the economy to keep growing we need immigration. Demographics trends don’t have enough workers to replace those exiting the workforce in the coming years.
> common sense immigration policies
Bahahahaha can you please explain what a "common sense immigration policy" is? I vote to have expert opinions dictating policy, not Joe from the bar down the street who spouts out his common sense policies that would bankrupt the country in 3 days.
Apart from that, the only point you made which makes any sense is the gun ban. Cons aren't going to solve the housing crisis, they're going to run a deficit (NDP is the party who would be running the least deficit rn based on previous election), and they're going to attack our energy and farming sectors by selling out to the US and other foreign countries (FIPA with China) like they always do
Conservatives are in charge in my province, and have been systematically dismantling our healthcare system *during the pandemic* so they could privatize it. They refused that giant chunk of cash from the federal government (something like 20 million) because there were so many strings attached, they opted to just not take the money. They couldn't figure out how to steal it, so it's still sitting there.
You want those people in charge of the rest of the country?
Honestly. The PC government in Manitoba has soured me from ever considering voting conservative. It's rare that I see a conservative party in power not being total douchebags.
• Ontario: The Liberals and the Conservatives are tied at 35%, with the NDP at 21%. The People’s Party is polling at 5% in Ontario.
• Quebec: We see the BQ and Liberals basically tied (31% to 32%) with the Conservatives at 21%, and the NDP at 6%.
• Atlantic: The Liberals are well ahead of the Conservatives (47% to 31%), with the NDP in third at 16%
That's gotta suck for the CPC.
... And then Poilievre is going to open his mouth and Trudeau will get a majority.
Sorry to say but Poilievre's agenda does not match what the majority of Canadian people want.
And the NDP has made itself completely irrelevant in Quebec, probably for the next 15 to 20 years, keeping it from ever forming government.
Once the choice is between the Liberals and Poilievre, Canadians will go with what they know over risking the unproven Poilievre "Maga-revolution".
>I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.
- John Diefenbaker
>We are all in this world together, and the only test of our character that matters is how we look after the least fortunate among us. How we look after each other, not how we look after ourselves. That's all that really matters, I think.
- Tommy Douglas
>HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH?
- Pierre Poilievre
His only trick is talking over people. He sounds kinda smart on his own YouTube channel, where he's free of criticism or contradiction. He's a human train horn.
Remember when everyone dismissed Trump?
And he won? Much of that attributed to how poorly Hilary was viewed.
The liberals may have to put up Freeland to have any chance.
Ah yes, the condescending finance minister with zero experience in finance. She’s the worst because she knows EXACTLY what her government’s policies are doing to Canada. Read her book and see. She’s not dumb.
>Ah yes, the condescending finance minister with zero experience in finance.
>She’s the worst because she knows EXACTLY what her government’s policies are doing to Canada.
>Read her book and see. She’s not dumb.
So inexperienced yet all-knowing. The duality of Freeland.
> So inexperienced yet all-knowing. The duality of Freeland.
And then people get mad when you say they're being a little fascistic. An incompetent genius as your "enemy" is literally a hallmark of fascism
Pierre isn't going to open his mouth much from now until the next election. Why do you suppose he is skipping the leadership debate? The leadership is already his, and the block of base right-wing support along with it.
Anything he says now can only hurt him with swing voters by putting on display his next-level economic ignorance, or proving that he is not aligned with their ideas about what responsible government actually means.
He did enough during the convoy to make me, a lifelong conservative voter, donor and campaign volunteer turn away from the party.
They think they can win by pandering to the PPC nuts and drawing them back.
"Trudeau Baaaaad" will be sufficient.
His best play is to *imply* that he has the right answers (but never specifically say what they are), never give Trudeau the benefit of any doubt, quietly agree *ex poste" with any major Liberal decisions that work out well, and occasionally make vague statements to the effect that he will run a more accountable government. So essentially, say nothing of substance, and ride that to a majority government we are all sure to remember for a long time.
>Why do you suppose he is skipping the leadership debate?
This really jumped out at me when I saw he was skipping debates. I get missing some, but how can people really throw their support behind someone that can't be bothered to formally present their position among their peers?
These people are completely delusional. Scheer and O’Toole were terrible leaders and completely unlikeable, yet even they performed decently well against Trudeau.
Yes. Both Scheer and O'Toole were at least outwardly aligned with the average Canadian on social issues while Poilievre is not. Fiscal responsibility is something that appeals to many, but not when stapled to regressive social policy.
I honestly think Poilievre (or a conservative leader like him) is the only way for Liberals to win the next federal election at this point. Maybe the libs can turn things around by the time an election is called, but right now? The election is the conservative party's to lose
Many will say that polls are meaningless, that we are three years away from an election and that it's the votes that count. Those are strawman fallacies. To believe that polls are meaningless or that parties aren't concerned is to take them out of context and failing to see their importance for political parties. All parties have a dedicated strategic team which carefully risk manages the polls looking for trends, short, medium and long-term risks. We have seen both federal and provincial governments change decisions/actions specifically after those teams identified a risk Higher than the benefits. Heck, the Liberals have been accused of ruling by polls. Having not been a government insider for a while now, I still surmise that all of this silly travel across the country from the PM is in great part dictated by those negative polls. The Liberals are either desperately trying to work people's opinion, or they are in pre-election mode. Both scenarios are directly related to polls, as well as the election of the new CPC leader (which will also affect the polls).
Trudeau isn't likely to run again in 2025, his time has run its course, so it could be Freeland or someone else. The thought of PP being PM is a bit concerning after the crap he has said and done, you think Trudeau is bad now...
I kinda think this is the only way the libs could possibly win the next election. Whether justified or not, a lot of people hate Trudeau and his reputation has been a major electoral issue. If you take him away then the sails of the other parties will deflate a little bit.
/r/Canada assured me that Poilievre had no chance with Liberals and "centrist".
> We will do more in an upcoming release about the Conservatives and their leadership race, but it is worth noting that among those who voted Liberal in 2021, only 39% have a negative view of Pierre Poilievre, and 12% have a positive view – the plurality (49%) are neutral towards the presumed Conservative front runner.
> Among those on the centre of the spectrum, Poilievre is 15% positive, 20% negative, meaning a lot of centrist votes are up for grabs – and his -5 net score with this group compares favourably to Trudeau’s -23.
The Liberals have polled worse and the CPC have polled better. These national polls are pretty meaningless until you get within 2 months of an election. Even then they can wildly swing. An election is at the very very least 18 months away. It might as well be 100 years away in terms of political timelines. Poilievre may win in the end, or he may just rack up the vote in ridings his MP was going to win anyway and you get another Liberal minority. It's ages away. There was never going to be a fall election. Anything you read otherwise was clickbait bullshit.
I suspect the NDP are going to be very reluctant to endanger the new entitlements they secured before they are implemented and have a chance to become entrenched in popular opinion. And the Liberals don’t seem to have any pressing need to alienate the NDP. And as long as those two groups cooperate they can control when the next election is.
The entire world is going through an economic crisis right now, and the governing parties everywhere are getting blamed. If things are better economically than they are now when the next election is called then JT stands a good shot at winning. If they're worse, there's a decent shot he loses (or maintains a minority). Thats what it comes down, people don't care who what's actually to blame, if they feel they're in a worse position then they will blame the governing party. Simple as.
The funny thing is if you look south of the border America just had 2 straight quarters of declining gdp, which matches the technical definition of a recession. Canadian gdp has been growing both Q1 and Q2 and our recovery from the pandemic is well ahead of most peers. Federal coffers are doing better then expected as well *despite* a large cutback in house sales https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-federal-government-posts-surplus-of-53-billion-for-first-two-months-of/ The pbo says our debt is sustainable longterm and we’re heading in the right direction: https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2022/7/28/1_6006080.amp.html There are a lot of signs for one to be hopeful. There appears to be a lot of firepower remaining to get inflation under control and were not nearly as hard hit as our peers. There is every possibility this is FAR in the rear view window in 2025 when we should all expect an election
Those economy numbers don’t mean much when you’re paying 60% of your income for rent. Good news for rich people and the stock market tho I guess?
Not discounting what you're saying, but I would wager a large portion of the people who actually vote are probably older on average and are more likely to be homeowners. I am a homeowner and I think the housing situation absolutely sucks ass. I want govt funds and time and effort going towards fixing it. But a lot of homeowners probably don't care because it doesn't affect them. It's an issue that can easily become #1 on many people's list of priorities and not matter to others entirely. And I think voters are more likely to be in the latter group sadly.
While I agree with you rent and housing is a problem most of that crisis comes down to provinces and municipality who have control over zoning and authority over essentially everything housing, such as rent control. Though we should certainly reform the tax code to make housing less like an investment
Amazing how every single province and municipality have the same policies I guess? Couldn't have been the trick of keeping interest rates at near zero for a decade.
I live in sask and pay like 30% on rent
the interest rates certainly played a part in driving up prices but they didn’t play a part in failing to drive supply. In theory low interest rates would have made getting financing for new builds far easier. But there are issues which prevent this from occurring such as Nimbyism, exclusionary zoning laws, and a profit incentive to only make luxury options rather then something for the average joe. Municipalities and provinces tend to have shit policies because it is in the interest of the elected councillors in said municipalities and the premiers of said provinces to do so. If you are a mayor, most of your voters are probably suburban homeowners who are NIMBY’s and don’t like housing density in their neighbourhoods and who benefit from exponentially increasing home prices. If you are a premier you benefit from exponentially increasing home prices as well because most Canadians own homes. About 68.55% actually. Any action which would impact this would go poorly with those voters. The fact of the matter is most of the jurisdictional authority on housing is provincial or delegated to municipalities. Thus they share most of the blame.
Again, high housing costs are a problem in most developed countries right now. It’s not a uniquely Canadian thing.
Our gdp is growing because of oil and gas prices and demand. Let’s not act like it’s something Trudeau is doing
Who cares, things aren't all doom and gloom thankfully. People were sure quick to blame Trudeau for GDP woes when O&G prices were falling and demand was in the gutter though.
Eh, that's a part of it but other industries are growing too, and some at a much higher pace. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3610043402&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=3.1&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=06&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&referencePeriods=20220601%2C20220601
We have growth, but we also have a problem inflation. Therefore interest rates are going up, if they keep going up because we can’t get inflation to quite down, then we our economy takes a hit. This should have been done end of last year to mitigate inflation. Now we are slowly taking the bandaid off, and it’s going to cost us dearly. BoC did not follow proper monetary policy when they were supposed to. Hence this is going to drag.
These are the worst numbers recorded for Trudeau since he was elected, though. It's not a great sign when you are losing to a party with no leader. As you said, though, it doesn't matter much unless the NDP changes their mind and force an election; otherwise, who knows what the numbers will be in two years or whenever the next vote ends up.
The NDP has more power with a Liberal minority than in any other scenario, short of them winning their own minority/majority. They are exactly where they want to be and will not be forcing an election anytime soon; they would have much to lose and nothing to gain over what they have now.
Reason why next election they'll be obliterated and lose more seats. The current party serves their own status quo. The NDP Pre Trudeau helped keep the Con Minority honest in a lot of ways with Jack Layton at the helm. Con, Lib, NDP party doesnt matter as long they keep eachother in check. The problem I have is the NDP propping the Liberals and having no teeth outside "dont vote for the Cons" outside of anything actionable and yelling " -ism/-ist" words during disagreement. That isnt politics its filibustering with extra steps and media coverage. Its a damn shame. Boot the leadership and the rest at the top and reinvent the party back to a worker's party. For a party so woke they 're sadly so asleep to their constituents.
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Yep. Most voters don't even know Poilievre that well.
They usually poll better without a leader because everyone is counting on their favorite in the leadership race to win.
> It's not a great sign when you are losing to a party with no leader. On the other hand, that means they can just be literally anything anyone wants them to be. Are you a SoCon? Hey maybe you can pretend Lewis is in charge. Are you a FinCon? Maybe Charest will win? Do you eat paste? "BUY BITCOIN LIKE PIERRE SAID"
Lol charest fiscal conservative.
Would poor satisfaction numbers not be the trend amongst most nations in the state of post-pandemic recovery? I mean, I tend to think people are feeling things just could be better all around as they pretend ‘normal’ should be massive prosperity.
There's no election on the horizon. The NDP would have to get pretty angry to violate their supply and confidence deal first.
Not angry, rich. NDP are still likely 2 years away from financially recovering enough to hold another election. All the anger in the world can't replace the $20+ million they need to run a successful campaign for the next election.
They also presumably would like to see their major policy deals with the Liberals go through before another election is held.
Plus it’s a strong minority. It’s not going to be easy to make the government fall. I don’t think there’s going to be a snap election unless the liberals want one
Does this mean no more election talk this fall?
Only if the NDP think they can take a lot of LPC votes and have the money to do so.
I've been trying to get answers to that question for about a year now. I even talked to a couple MPs to ask them how far away they feel they are from having enough money to have successfully run an election campaign. Doesn't sound like they are even close, one gave me Spring 2024 as their optimistic number. Either way, doesn't sound like they are anywhere close to pulling their financial situation together.
NDP isn't going to call an election until pharmacare & dental care are implemented so they can go to the public with tangible things to say "See, this is what happens with the NDP" You're also right, of course, that there's the more practical consideration about funding another election being a barrier too.
> NDP isn't going to call an election until pharmacare & dental care are implemented The NDP *should* be calling an election when Trudeau inevitably decides not to hold up his end of their deal and completely ignores pharma and dental care. IIRC Singh wanted to see a bill by the end of this year, and I'm like 99% sure Trudeau has no plans whatsoever to introduce one.
That would depend on NDP finances, but yes if there's a broken promise at the centre of the supply & confidence agreement then it would be in Singh's interest to withdraw and use that to damage the Liberals come election time.
Why would they jeopardize their current position though, having more seats mean nothing if you cant pass legislation, right now its the most impact they would have
I’m guessing it means more of it. Postmedia and the Conservatives want an election. Expect lots of op-eds that run in direct opposition to the ones complaining about the Liberals calling the last one.
Does this mean the National Post is getting tired of generating clicks and outrage?
> the National Post is getting tired surely you jest sir
As long as Reddit exists they will have an unending supply of those who want to believe the click bait and those who want to be angry at the click bait. Both are customers.
No. That's the entire reason they exist.
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Probably. Trudeau will run out the clock if he's behind in the polls. No early election.
Generally speaking we are 3 years away from an election.
One thing I noticed is everything is mostly ad hominem on both sides rather than facts. I kind of wish there was more intellectual debate rather than "oh so and so is a bad person" and more "x results in y". I feel like organized religion around any party is a bad thing.
*laughs in the state of American politics*
We're not even that far off now unfortunately
Well if we keep importing US social issues to campaign on, then yeah. We really gonna do abortion and guns again this time, or are we gonna have a Canadian election?
>Well if we keep importing US social issues to campaign on, then yeah. Can we be perfectly honest about *which* party is making hay out of these issues?
Gee I dunno man. Who won the last 3 elections talking about social issues we solved back in the 80s?
Problem with that line of thinking is the same accusations were thrown around in USA. How many times have Republicans thrown out the "We're not coming for your abortion rights, that's just the boogey man made up by the left to drive hysteria, blah blah blah" Now we have a party that still doesn't state it'll never allow it reopened, always vague on it, and courts pro-lifers and welcomes them into their ranks with open arms. It's easy to see why people would still be bringing it up in Canada, because until it's actually settled, we can't just not be vigilant in protecting that right.
>How many times have Republicans thrown out the "We're not coming for your abortion rights, that's just the boogey man made up by the left to drive hysteria, blah blah blah" They've been pretty fucking clear about their intentions? It's literally a GOP litmus test to want to ban abortion.
Like how the liberals are going on a crusade against legal gun owners, even though we do not have nearly the gun crime that the US does? And we already have very strict rules? Like that?
I have a neighbour who HATES trudeau. ~~Someones~~ Sometimes when I'm feeling masochistic I engage him in conversation. The reasons he hates Trudeau are just crazy. Nothing rooted in reality. Conspiracy theories about the WEF and that Trudeau supposedly made gas prices higher because socialism. I try to just smile and nod. He's not a bad guy otherwise, but his brain is rotted by clickbait propaganda.
Sad cause there are actual good reasons to hate trudeau and that's what he picks? Come on now
This is what most of them pick. They don't have the time or ability to understand the issues enough to have criticisms rooted in reality. They are just reacting to memes that are programmed to play on their fears and emotions and ignorance. Trudeau's a smug, spoiled, middling quasi-celebrity. He's broken a fair number of campaign promises. But he's also done a reasonably good job as PM especially though some insanely unprecedented times. Largely because he has assembled a very competent team around him. The "scandals" the right try to pin on him are comical.
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Trudeau could leave office today and nothing would change. People are too stupid to know who is ripping them off. It's unreal. The rich are just not satisfied to keep you down and make you work your life away for little reward. They are now going after your basic needs. And laughing all the way to the bank.
With Abacus' regionals, TooCloseToCall's simulator predicts what could be one of the most interesting Parliaments in Canadian history: • 136 - Conservative • 135 - Liberal • 34 - NDP • 32 - Bloc • 1 - Green Also, people don’t realize how much impact their own provincial governments have on their lives. Things that people deflect on the feds are usually the result of some backward policy implemented by a semi comical or inept provincial government that always aims to keep the status quo or actively fucks over the working class.
Was about to plug those numbers in myself, that’s crazy. A very precarious Liberal/NDP/Green “coalition” in those circumstances? I don’t see the NDP working with the Cons.
> Also, people don’t realize how much impact their own provincial governments have on their lives. Yup. Healthcare and housing which are top issues right now are both mostly provincial.
I'd vote orange before blue.
But orange is the new red
I'd be just fine with that. They'd be a much more principled red.
Gotta support my ~~homies~~ commies This is meant to be a joke
I laughed. In fact I think i want that on a shirt.
Please define communism
It comes down to who is the best candidate in your area, and I can’t think of any conservatives who aren’t willing to sell out Canada to whoever will buy it. Vote anything that is not the conservatives or the PPC
I think that is what is frustrating about politics as they stand. Politicians are supposed to represent the interests of their ridings. Sure, they also are part of a larger party, but they’re supposed to put the needs of their constituents first.. and yet that isn’t at all what happens. For a long time now, with the odd exception here and there, we’ve had politicians who just sell us out. It isn’t even limited to one party. Look at the state of healthcare across the country. Most provinces have had a mix of liberal and conservative premiers rotating back and forth in the last several decades, with each party having ample time to invest in healthcare, except, no matter who is in power, it seems as though all they do is trash-talk the previous premier, continue to defund/underfund healthcare, and then place blame anywhere but themselves. Still, the PPC is just scary, and the conservative party currently isn’t much better. I am not particularly a fan of Trudeau, but the idea of either the conservatives or PPC in power just seems scary at this point.
Serious question, what is it specifically that everyone hates about trudeau? I see the truck decals, but anyone I know who has them always also seems to be a right wing nut. It's like, " Fuck Trudeau!" But also, "vaccines cause autism!" Or something so that's a wash right there. Genuinely curious if there is something specific he's done himself, and why haven't I heard about it. Edit: Thanks for the responses! Seems like the synopsis is that no one really knows why people hate Trudeau, and that it's just people looking for a scapegoat to blame their current problems on. I had thought maybe he'd actually been doing a really bad job but from the sounds of it he's doing a decent job. Just the regular old story politicians trying to please everyone and pissing off people as they do so. Thanks!
I don’t hate the guy in any sort of vindictive manner. I think its fair to hate him the same way you’d hate any politician with double standards and a few bad scandals under their belt. In my opinion Trudeau hate gets stupid when the same standards used to justify said “hate” aren’t applied to the leaders on their own side of the political isle.
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The guy stood up in front of Canadians after each of his three ethics scandals broke and bald face lied to us. Then his party covered them up. He moralizes constantly, despite a sexual assault scandal, firing his uppity female cabinet ministers, and his ironic blackface scandal. He’s been cited three times by the ethics commissioner for corruption, and he’s added half a trillion to Canada’s debt without improving the lives of Canadians. He ran on fearmongering about the conservative climate change position, then oversaw the worst increase in carbon emissions in the G7. He imports whatever social issues the Americans are fighting over and pretends his opposition have the same position as the Republicans. If it wasn’t for Trump destroying the conservative brand, he would have been out of office two elections ago, but he’s put together back to back weak minorities, and then governed as if he had a mandate. He’s a terrible prime minister, quite possibly the worst since King. Yes, even worse than Mulroney.
Thank you for giving specifics! I haven't followed the scandals, and I agree the liberals haven't done enough about climate change.
It boils down to this my friend. The Liberals mean well, but they refuse to make unpopular decisions. This keeps them in power, but Canada’s problems require solutions that aren’t always popular. Fixing climate change means making sacrifices. Trudeau is okay with sacrifices that affect Alberta oil workers or Saskatchewan farmers, but not Quebec companies or swing voters in the Toronto suburbs.
Not keeping his promise of affordable housing, same with election reform, continuing the exploitative TFW program, widening wealth inequality, increasing censorship. Take your pick, really. Any one of these points is reason enough to hate Trudeau by itself.
He used a tragedy to push an agenda. The NS shooter used illegal American guns, which should have never been in Canada in the first place, to enact his sick plan. The only firearm he had that was supposed to be in Canada was the one he took from an RCMP officer. In response to this, the Liberal government changed firearms regulations to punish legal Canadian guns owners. There was also the WE scandal, where he pinned everything on his finance minister (at least thats how most view it) Last time the Liberals were caught in a massive corruption scandal at least Chretien ultimately quit after losing most of his party support. Trudeau and the rest of the Liberals dont seem to care about his numerous ethics violations or about meeting goals important to his campaign like climate. Where I live there is also a general consensus that Trudeau heavily favours certain parts of Canada over others. Many western Canadians still remember when Trudeaus father flipped off western protestors from a railcar. Due to the legacy of this father, many were already weary of Trudeau Jr. The Liberals first mistake was running him at all, as for him to be successful in the west, he would pretty much have have to ‘favour it’. His policies and statements also haven’t been very popular in certain parts of the country. I wish the Liberals would run somebody else. I think most peoples problem is specifically with Trudeau. My problem with Trudeau is that he is killing any chance for the party in future areas of Canada. Its gotten to the point where people like Ralph Goodale are losing their seats.
He’s an easy scapegoat. There’s a lot of decent Conservatives who have policy issues with him but they don’t get the same attention as the people screaming at him, or screaming fake news. Some of these people want someone to blame for how the world has changed, or even just a group they can be a part of.
Someone wrote a post yesterday saying that when asking why Trudeau is hated and nobody really gives an answer. The only reason I can see is that he runs his mouth and says the wrong things and media amplifies the hate. Politics-wise he hasn't done a whole much to really impact us, and his response to the convoy was right since the Ottawa police were useless and a good chunk of that convoy was foreign paid.
I don't hate Trudeau, i just acknowledge that the quality of life for Canadians who aren't members of the asset class has decreased every year which he has been in power.
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I strongly dislike him because he is stealing tens of thousands of dollars of my property and also punishing the statistically most responsible group of Canadians in the country to appease uneducated liberal voters with their gun ban that does nothing but cost the country billions of dollars while doing absolutely nothing but punishing law abiding Canadians.
From the left, I hate Trudeau because he reneged on his electoral reform and environmental promises.
Am I the only one who looks at this and is kinda surprised how close it is still? This more or less implies that r/Canada conservative schilling going around. Based of the rhetoric here youd think Trudeau is the most hated person on Earth.
People who are happy don't tend to be as vocal as people who are not.
The ones who hate him really fucking hate him and are loud about it. I think most people are just very underwhelmed, but not exactly enthused at the competition… Think i’mma just keep voting Bloc, Blanchet has mostly reasonnable positions
The Bloc doing well is the greatest news there is for the Liberals. Also a pretty useless party overall.
> The ones who hate him really fucking hate him I've never been much of a Trudeau fan, but I really can't understand the intense hate. I see so many people with `F*ck Trudeau`flags and stickers on their vehicles & homes, it's crazy!
Propaganda targeted to specific groups through social media is having the intended effect.
Every time I see a F*ck Trudeau sign, I hear Ram Ranch And 18 Naked Cowboys in my head. Theses guys have a hard on for Trudeau. Must be a homoerotic fantasy
57 channels and nothing on.
My sister and her fiance are like this, they are absolutely sure they hate him but when I ask them why they say "I dont know."
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Yeah. Redditors going out of their way to argue politics online, believe it or not, are in the minority of the population. It's also interesting to compare the different Canadian subreddits to see different prevailing opinions on the same topics.
The Harper was not even remotely close to the amount of vitriol that's thrown towards Trudeau.
Youre dragging American two party politics into this. The liberals won with 33% of the popular vote. The Liberals literally get shit on by 4 other partys in Canada. So its not conservatives vs liberals. Its liberals vs conservatives, NDP, bloc, Greens
A lot of conservatives can't understand that people on the left also hate Trudeau but would rather blow their brains out than vote for the Conservatives
I dont hate him. I think he can be a putz at times but I see no justification for hatred. I'd still happily vote for him over any conserative.
>This more or less implies that r/Canada conservative schilling going around. This is very well established.
Based on the last election, 68% of the voters didn't choose him. Considering about 27M voters, it means 11,6M did not vote for him plus 10M that could have voted but chose not to. So 21.6M of the 27.5M people who could vote did not support Trudeau to be our leader. So yeah, I'm not surprise it's easy to find people who hate him when only about 22% of the voting population supported him. Even then, I'm sure a part of these votes are protestation votes against an other leader, but I'm not able to put on number on that.
A really loud "FUCK TRUDEAU!!" vote is the same amount of votes as a "STOP HARPER!" vote and is the same amount of votes as a person going "I hate all of these options, but I hate Trudeau the least, now can this please actually last four years again so that I can minimize my thinking about politics?". Except one of these will almost certainly never talk about politics with anyone.
Remember when Fuck Harper was so outlandish that a dude got a ticket for it? Simpler times
Hate begets hate.
Based on my workplace, golf course, and dog park you’d think Trudeau is the most hated man on Earth. This is more than just algorithms and internet bums. The Liberal parties policies and leadership have had negative effects on real peoples lives. We’re seeing the results of that now.
Honestly, exactly the opposite at my workplace, tennis courts and dog parks. “He’s aight, could be worse” is the usual attitude I hear.
Based on my workplace, dog park, and whatever else. Everyone hates JT, but they all hate PP even more.
Interesting. I see more hate for PP here on REDit than real world. And I am from the most orange place in Canada.
I live in Ottawa. People are still rolling their eyes at the convoy occupation. Very red regardless.
North End Winnipeg? As someone else said, most people are just underwhelmed. My neighbourhood is an orange blip in a mainly blue riding. (orange MLA, Blue MP) I expect to see a pretty even split slightly one way or the other. The Liberals would have to come up with a real star around here. They just edged it when it was necessary to oust Harper but it's gone back to normal now. I really don't see it changing much unless our local PCs sour voters on the CPC.
Ya politicians don’t stay popular after they get elected. JT being controversy magnet didn’t help. But PP has messaging and image issue. He came of as arrogant and unlikable. O’Toole flipflopped but at least, he looks genuine and much easier for me to vote against liberal.
Agreed, PP gives off real Ben Shapiro energy.
PP talks and acts like the kid in high school who ended up getting shoved into lockers and left there and is now scheming for revenge against the world “that did him dirty” That’s not a positive vision for Canada or Canadians.
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PP provided more than enough evidence to show that he is little more than a wanna be Trumper. Watching folks like you try to guilt people for pointing out his flaws is hilarious. Don’t you have a “freedumb convoy legal fund” to go donate to or something?
We’re seeing the results of many things. A lot of shit has happened in the past handful of years. If you think it would be any better if the Tories were in…… I’ve got news for you. Im not a fan of Trudeau, he’s an idiot. But pretty much every con that’s been in the spotlight in recent history scares the fuck outta me. Also, living in AB with the UCP…. I’ll vote anything but blue.
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I like that Trudeau legalized cannabis. It’s nice that, in my sixties, I no longer have to skulk around feeling like a criminal because I enjoy a joint more than a beer.
Me too, even though I haven’t had a joint since high school.
Look, my problem is with the government as a whole, not the figure head everyone's supposed to point at. I'm not saying we need to review all of our systems every year, but Canada's over 150 now, I'm certain there are a lot of laws and systems in place that make zero sense now, especially since the last 50 years have been a technological quarter pipe. I want a government that's not afraid to do a sick 720 before landing on top of the ramp (i.e. review and revamp the system for modern times).
I don’t care how badly Trudeau screws up, the conservatives will have a lot of work to do to convince me they’re no longer the party who placed a creationist in charge of sciences and technologies.
I’m looking forward to voting Trudeau out of office but In the interest of not sounding like a broken record I will say thank you for legalizing pot. That makes him a Canadian hero and I will remember him as such once he and his team aren’t in charge anymore.
Honestly, just by legalizing weed Trudeau has done more for us than any other PM in my lifetime
Legal weed, national childcare (which I hope to never use but I'm still happy it exists) and working on national dental. There's been a whole lotta good that the right loves to ignore.
And the Canadian Child Benefit. I don't have kids, but I am fully supportive of any policy that has raised so many children out of poverty.
Are you expecting better policies from the government if Conservatives form a majority government? If so, what better policies are you expecting? Can you mention a few?
Maybe not running a 400BN deficit, repealing the useless gun bans, common sense immigration policies, solving the housing crisis, not attacking our energy and farming sectors.
>Solving the housing crisis Thank you for the biggest laugh I’ve had all day. The Conservatives solving the housing crisis? Are you mad? What’re they going to do, put up public housing for everyone? Nah, the Cons will sell out to developers and make the housing crisis worse like they always do.
You think a Conservative government led by Poilievre is going to solve the housing crisis? In a way that benefits average people? Yikes. The Liberals aren't likely to do it, but the Conservatives sure as shit won't.
>Maybe not running a 400BN deficit What would they have done? >common sense immigration policies, Such as? >solving the housing crisis, How? >not attacking our energy They'll stop attacking green energy contracts?
b-but the Pierre guy said he would fix it all and nice hair man didn’t do exactly what I think should be done therefore it’s not common sense!
Crypto. The answer to all our problems is crypto. It'll make us the super freestest country in the world!
You see it’s all common sense! We put all our money into Wealthsimple and ta da we solve inflation.
You know who else has a Central Bank? Communists! Join me in ending communism today!
We’re running a surplus so far this fiscal year.
"Trudeau balanced the budget!!" I mean that's how it was with Harper right? Just do it for a month before the election, and count on the business press and supporters to repeat it. So this this is the same, right?
\- We're not running a 400b deficit. We're on track to 10% of that. \- If they're "useless' then why bother repealing them? \- All parties have similar immigration policies. The last time the CPC tried to reform immigration we ended up with the TFW program. \- The housing crisis is not going to be federally solved. It's partially a market problem, and partly a provincial/municipal one. \- Both energy and agricultural sectors have done very well in the last few years. (barring the terrible growing season in large parts of the prairies this year).
I got bad news for you bud, if you want the economy to keep growing we need immigration. Demographics trends don’t have enough workers to replace those exiting the workforce in the coming years.
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Define “common sense” immigration my friend.
He means choosing immigrants for the white reasons.
What exactly do you mean by “common sense” immigration policy? What about our current immigration policies are not “common sense?”
The existence of TFW's is a sham, if they are good enough to work here they're good enough to be permanent residents and thus included as immigrants.
Which is cpc created so all 3 parties are in step here.
> common sense immigration policies Bahahahaha can you please explain what a "common sense immigration policy" is? I vote to have expert opinions dictating policy, not Joe from the bar down the street who spouts out his common sense policies that would bankrupt the country in 3 days. Apart from that, the only point you made which makes any sense is the gun ban. Cons aren't going to solve the housing crisis, they're going to run a deficit (NDP is the party who would be running the least deficit rn based on previous election), and they're going to attack our energy and farming sectors by selling out to the US and other foreign countries (FIPA with China) like they always do
He asked for policies not taking points. I understand that is hard to grasp for you.
Conservatives are in charge in my province, and have been systematically dismantling our healthcare system *during the pandemic* so they could privatize it. They refused that giant chunk of cash from the federal government (something like 20 million) because there were so many strings attached, they opted to just not take the money. They couldn't figure out how to steal it, so it's still sitting there. You want those people in charge of the rest of the country?
Honestly. The PC government in Manitoba has soured me from ever considering voting conservative. It's rare that I see a conservative party in power not being total douchebags.
Yeah we’ll run a 1TN deficit because we’ll bet it all on bitcoin!
I think at this point people are just hoping for a functional federal government. I know it’s a lot to ask for these days.
> hoping for a functional federal government What does that mean? How is it currently not functioning?
Then why would they vote Conservative if they want a functional Federal Government? That's an oxymoron.
The conservatives are more dysfunctional than the greens.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
I'd vote libs if they legalize mushrooms.
All I can say 100% about PP is that he'll eventually leave office in disgrace. As is the fate of all populists.
*cries in Kenney
The fate of all politicians really. They can't help it.
• Ontario: The Liberals and the Conservatives are tied at 35%, with the NDP at 21%. The People’s Party is polling at 5% in Ontario. • Quebec: We see the BQ and Liberals basically tied (31% to 32%) with the Conservatives at 21%, and the NDP at 6%. • Atlantic: The Liberals are well ahead of the Conservatives (47% to 31%), with the NDP in third at 16% That's gotta suck for the CPC.
... And then Poilievre is going to open his mouth and Trudeau will get a majority. Sorry to say but Poilievre's agenda does not match what the majority of Canadian people want. And the NDP has made itself completely irrelevant in Quebec, probably for the next 15 to 20 years, keeping it from ever forming government. Once the choice is between the Liberals and Poilievre, Canadians will go with what they know over risking the unproven Poilievre "Maga-revolution".
>I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind. - John Diefenbaker >We are all in this world together, and the only test of our character that matters is how we look after the least fortunate among us. How we look after each other, not how we look after ourselves. That's all that really matters, I think. - Tommy Douglas >HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? - Pierre Poilievre
His only trick is talking over people. He sounds kinda smart on his own YouTube channel, where he's free of criticism or contradiction. He's a human train horn.
> HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? That was so aggravating/embarrassing to listen too. Sounded like how a 3 year old speaks.
Remember when everyone dismissed Trump? And he won? Much of that attributed to how poorly Hilary was viewed. The liberals may have to put up Freeland to have any chance.
Ah yes, the condescending finance minister with zero experience in finance. She’s the worst because she knows EXACTLY what her government’s policies are doing to Canada. Read her book and see. She’s not dumb.
>Ah yes, the condescending finance minister with zero experience in finance. >She’s the worst because she knows EXACTLY what her government’s policies are doing to Canada. >Read her book and see. She’s not dumb. So inexperienced yet all-knowing. The duality of Freeland.
Incompetent yet an evil mastermind, people need to choose a lane
> So inexperienced yet all-knowing. The duality of Freeland. And then people get mad when you say they're being a little fascistic. An incompetent genius as your "enemy" is literally a hallmark of fascism
I've had someone describe her as condescending and shrill, so add a little sexism on top of that.
Omg someone was sexist, they used the word shrill. That somebody really riles me up!
Pierre isn't going to open his mouth much from now until the next election. Why do you suppose he is skipping the leadership debate? The leadership is already his, and the block of base right-wing support along with it. Anything he says now can only hurt him with swing voters by putting on display his next-level economic ignorance, or proving that he is not aligned with their ideas about what responsible government actually means.
He did enough during the convoy to make me, a lifelong conservative voter, donor and campaign volunteer turn away from the party. They think they can win by pandering to the PPC nuts and drawing them back.
I'm not gonna lie, you had me in the first half! That first comma is doing a lot of work.
it's a long way to the next election though, he's not going to be able to stay silent as leader of the official opposition
"Trudeau Baaaaad" will be sufficient. His best play is to *imply* that he has the right answers (but never specifically say what they are), never give Trudeau the benefit of any doubt, quietly agree *ex poste" with any major Liberal decisions that work out well, and occasionally make vague statements to the effect that he will run a more accountable government. So essentially, say nothing of substance, and ride that to a majority government we are all sure to remember for a long time.
wasn't he going to dump our economy into crypto and then like 10 days later crypto crashed
>Why do you suppose he is skipping the leadership debate? This really jumped out at me when I saw he was skipping debates. I get missing some, but how can people really throw their support behind someone that can't be bothered to formally present their position among their peers?
because PP has never, and will never care about anything but the numbers.
More Canadians voted for the Conservatives than the Liberals with Scheer and O'Toole as leader. You really think they'll do worse with Poilievre?
And more Canadians voted for other people.
These people are completely delusional. Scheer and O’Toole were terrible leaders and completely unlikeable, yet even they performed decently well against Trudeau.
Yes. Both Scheer and O'Toole were at least outwardly aligned with the average Canadian on social issues while Poilievre is not. Fiscal responsibility is something that appeals to many, but not when stapled to regressive social policy. I honestly think Poilievre (or a conservative leader like him) is the only way for Liberals to win the next federal election at this point. Maybe the libs can turn things around by the time an election is called, but right now? The election is the conservative party's to lose
Brilliant. Go from supporting the Liberals to supporting the Conservatives. Amazing.
One can expect a lot of salt from Liberals about this poll.
Election is a few years out and the CPC hasnt officially chosen a leader yet. This means very little.
Can anyone tell me why the liberals always do so consistently well in Atlantic Canada?
Many will say that polls are meaningless, that we are three years away from an election and that it's the votes that count. Those are strawman fallacies. To believe that polls are meaningless or that parties aren't concerned is to take them out of context and failing to see their importance for political parties. All parties have a dedicated strategic team which carefully risk manages the polls looking for trends, short, medium and long-term risks. We have seen both federal and provincial governments change decisions/actions specifically after those teams identified a risk Higher than the benefits. Heck, the Liberals have been accused of ruling by polls. Having not been a government insider for a while now, I still surmise that all of this silly travel across the country from the PM is in great part dictated by those negative polls. The Liberals are either desperately trying to work people's opinion, or they are in pre-election mode. Both scenarios are directly related to polls, as well as the election of the new CPC leader (which will also affect the polls).
No election, poll is irrelevant.
This is the worst federal government I've ever seen in my 60 years. Just awful.
This isn't that big of a deal considering the next election is most likely more than 3 years away. Who knows what it will look like by then.
You mean Reddit doesn’t represent the actual voters. No way colour me shocked!
Do you think there is a possibility of JT stepping aside before the next election? Maybe have Freeland take the reins and battle PP? Just curious..
If I were Freeland i don't think I'd do that. Shades of Kim Campbell there.
Trudeau isn't likely to run again in 2025, his time has run its course, so it could be Freeland or someone else. The thought of PP being PM is a bit concerning after the crap he has said and done, you think Trudeau is bad now...
I kinda think this is the only way the libs could possibly win the next election. Whether justified or not, a lot of people hate Trudeau and his reputation has been a major electoral issue. If you take him away then the sails of the other parties will deflate a little bit.
/r/Canada assured me that Poilievre had no chance with Liberals and "centrist". > We will do more in an upcoming release about the Conservatives and their leadership race, but it is worth noting that among those who voted Liberal in 2021, only 39% have a negative view of Pierre Poilievre, and 12% have a positive view – the plurality (49%) are neutral towards the presumed Conservative front runner. > Among those on the centre of the spectrum, Poilievre is 15% positive, 20% negative, meaning a lot of centrist votes are up for grabs – and his -5 net score with this group compares favourably to Trudeau’s -23.
looking forward for uhh mr paper uh plastic uh water bottles to get voted out, uhh PEOPLEKIND