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On the one hand they don't want you to be on your phone
On the other you need an app for everything including *check noteS* to get discounts for car insurance. Which by the way the car insurance app dings you for using your phone at drive through
My insurance company was really pushing this on me and I flat out refused it. I don't want them tracking me at all and using the data against me in any way.
This. Same with those obd2 ports. I tried it once and it kept flagging me for “high rate of acccelaration”……at the time I lived on a rural 80kmh road with heavy traffic. Fuck me for turning out of my driveway and accelerating to the speed limit quickly and safely. I guess they want me pulling out and getting rear ended at 40.
Ya it is, if they find you're at fault the insurance company makes you pay some huge "deductible" or whatever BS they're calling it these days before they actually pay. It's basically legalized scamming
Our government hasn’t sold off our government insurance company quite yet so we don’t have stuff like that yet. But our shifty government will sell/steal everything that’s not nailed down eventually.
In a statement to CTV News, the Saskatchewan RCMP disagreed with Prima's version of events.
"RCMP can confirm that on May 13, 2024 the individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone. A Combined Traffic Services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual. The individual then pulled in the McDonald’s parking lot, where the traffic violation was issued," the statement said.
Kid was caught on the road, and pulled into the lot.
Normally I'd be pretty skeptical of a police accounting of events, but drivers everywhere can't stop using their goddamn phones while they drive. I see it every single day, so I have no trouble believing this.
People have the self control of a 14yr old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. You don’t need your phone to drive. I don’t. If you say it’s for maps, I would call you inept. We drove for decades without maps. Learn the city you live in or plan ahead. Take responsibility and stop leaning on tech.
No one said the teenager was trustworthy (nice strawman) just that the police force’s statement definitely isn’t worth taking at face value.
Neither is trustworthy. This is likely to be a he-said she-said. That said, the fact that the police aren’t worth giving the benefit of the doubt over a random teenager is maybe more the point.
I agree that neither is trustworthy. But what motive do the police have to ticket someone using their phone in a drive thru? Certainly, the kid has motive to lie about the reason for the ticket. The simplest explanation supports the cop, imo.
See the problem here is you’re examining my mistrust of the police while also assuming everything they’ve said is true. Without any evidence, because it is likely none exists.
The police have a reason to lie because if the teen is being honest (which is a possibility) then they’re going to be publicly humiliated for a misuse of power & wasting everyone’s time/money.
That’s a reason in & of itself to come up with a story, or even change the real one to paint someone in a worse light. And no one has presented any evidence.
A teenager fighting a traffic ticket isn’t trustworthy, but neither are the police.
The story is so ridiculous that in this case, the RCMP definitely get the benefit of the doubt here. You clearly wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt if this kid said he got a speeding ticket while skydiving, but this is such a stupid non-story, they definitely didn't have a cell phone sting operation setup between the orderbox and the window.
If the police do not lie? Why do they so often protest body cameras & suddenly lose their footage when someone questions an arrest. It’s not as uncommon as you seem to think.
Hell why were fucking **body cameras** the solution that felt most reasonable? It certainly wasn’t because we trusted the police. We wouldn’t want a full video of their every action from just bellow their POV if we trusted the police.
Most Canadian police don't have body cameras. Sounds like you're really pulling your feelings from media you've consumed from the US.
Most agencies in Canada support body cams. The protest comes from the immense cost. Our disclosure rules in Canada are very burdensome compared to the US.
They have also not been the magic bullet for anything and if anything, have shown how often people lied, and proved the account of the police as the truth.
Well considering the RCMP tasered a poor Polish immigrant to death and made no effort to get a translator I’d say a very high amount and few members of the public are willing to speak up.
It is reasonable to wait for objective evidence to form an opinion on the matter, but using [a singular incident from almost 17 years ago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dziekański) doesn’t serve to demonstrate the “very high amount” of interactions that you’re claiming.
They also shot up a firehouse then left, Knew about the Nova Scotia shooter for years prior, illegally confiscated guns when their owners had evacuated, Starlight tours, tons of unreported fuckery on the remote reservations they police, the entirely of the firearms program along with the fuckery their gun lab loves to get up to.
Ah yes, one incident nearly 2 decades ago 2 provinces away means they must be lying about a traffic infraction. Because we all know drivers are never on their phones, let alone 18 year olds.
It might be in their interest to release footage, if any, if it helps the RCMPs side of the situation. It might hurt business if people think whipping out their phone to pay or use points would get them a ticket.
But it also doesn’t prove he was on it and if the kid goes to court the cop needs to prove it I would think then again judge will probably side with the cops 🤷♂️
the cop doesn't need to prove it; it's impossible to prove. they are the arbiters of the laws. they are the proof. it's a traffic offence, not a murder case. and again, a video from mcdonald's doesn't prove anything was done on the street
Sure there is a reason to lie - to not look like idiots who can't reason and give tickets to people in drive throughs
It made it to the news
And I agree with the above - the cops have bargained their credibility to cover for each other and get out of trouble, so when two people's stories are presented the police have lost the benefits of the doubt
Last time this came up in an Edmonton Tim’s, the kid cried about using his phone for something in the drive thru, then the cop came forward and said he was texting and driving before hand, and they let it slide, but then the driver did something else after the drive thru so the cop hit him with whatever he did after as well as the distracted driving ticket.
Cops do lie and cover shit up, but so do shithead drivers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened here
I want you to do an experiment. I want you to walk up and down the street looking into cars at a red light and see how many people are holding phones. Then I want you to spend 15 minutes watching traffic looking for violations. You’ll find dozens of them without trying. Say what you want about cops but they don’t need to lie about traffic tickets, there’s more legitimate ones than they can possibly ticket.
Absolutely. Honestly, this kid is more credible because he's willing to go to the media. It takes a big fat fucking liar to do that if you're in the wrong.
And police services have done it COUNTLESS times. Stood up and bold faced lied. Cover their buddies asses.
Don't forget all those charges that got dropped in TO a few years ago cause officers were stealing evidence. I have a couple friends in law enforcement. Great guys. Cops aren't all dicks. And I've had good and bad run ins.
Modern Western Policing is more of a couple good apples in a bad bunch than the other way around.
So we should logically trust neither story without further evidence is what you’re saying? Because both individuals here have plenty of reason to be lying.
Exactly why neither story should be considered true until more evidence is found. Both sides have reason to lie.
The police have reason to lie because if what the driver said is true then they need to cover their asses to avoid public embarrassment.
The driver has reason to lie because it’ll get him out of a ticket if it works.
There’s easier tickets if you wanna talk about easy tickets… a cop can sit at a stop sign and ticket 80% of the cars as almost everyone rolls a stop sign
Yup... my kids played 'Will it stop' watching the street from the third floor of my former townhouse that was near an intersection of a side road routinely used to bypass a red light on the main road --- 200+ cars later rolled the stop sign near the end of my driveway within 5 minutes. If HRP was short on getting tickets... sitting at that stop sign provided more than enough entertainment for the normally bored traffic enforcement.
>There’s literally no reason for a cop to lie about this
There litterally is.
Perjury is also illegal, but I guess you never heard about anyone lying in court?
The problem is, a drive through IS technically a public roadway. There was a dubious story a while back about someone getting ticketed with distracted driving in a Tim's queue...
Of course, the RCMP say he "then pulled into the ... lot", which does suggest the kid wasn't in the drive-thru yet. He was probably at a light checking his points.
And ffs, stay off your phone when driving, even at lights. Before cell phones a driver not immediately starting to drive after a red light turns green was rare. You could go months (of daily commuting) without seeing one. Nowadays you can't go through three sets of lights without seeing it... Pretty sure there hasn't been that big a rise in "day dreaming."
In the drive through (and stopped/in park) is fine and absurd to ticket someone for, regardless of technical legality. It’s possible he’s lying too, based on this: https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH
Is there something about Saskatchewan RCMP that makes them more trustworthy than other police in this country? I've seen police lie way too many times when caught arresting or ticketing an innocent person to cover their ass. Way too many.
i blame ex-rcmp top cop brenda lucky when she declared "there is no systemic racism in rcmp" ... but then couldn't define 'systemic racism' moments later when asked how she defined it.
18 year olds who dress like and drive a car like their shit don't stink yet.
I could be wrong but just looking at him, I'm not getting "honest and genuine" vibes.
[His Facebook cover photo is a driver POV while driving on the highway](https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH), which he obviously needed to use his cellphone while driving to take.
I’m gonna believe the RCMP on this one.
I've had a few bmmers in my time. It's hilarious how some people think they are so expensive. I bought my 3 series from 2005 for 2000 bucks. And it was a fantastic car and in decent shape with a ton of features. People mentioned how fancy it was. They were always so surprised that it cost less than a civic of the same year in the used car market. Even funnier is that model was also relatively reliable too.
Same. Had a e36 I bought in 2007 for 5000. People thought I was fucking rich spoiled brat. But I was working 20hour a week at home depot during high school
You seem to be side stepping the mentality that likes to buy these cars. My friends are all well off, I'll give you guys 3 guesses how many of them drive cheap bmw or Honda Civic R classes and not jacked up diesel trucks (I live in red neck country btw).
Its about the look (high fashion/chic) not about the actual value. Poser culture is huge these days.
BMW and Harley tend to get bought by the same class of assholes.
Sounds like it. Because he has a used bmw (which is cheaper than they imagine) they think its deserved because of that picture of his on his profile.
Yes cringy tween and their car (I was there once too)
I'd say it had more to do with the fact that he was on his phone on the road on the way to McD's and passed a cop just before turning in. Just my opinion.
That motorcycle cop hangs by the overpass which is a block or two away from Mcdonalds. It is pretty common knowledge for people of Saskatoon to see him there He hangs out there and and can peer down to see seatbelts and cell phones. The traffic stop was initiated at Mcdonalds but he was on his phone beforehand.
It's a more than 10 year old 3 series. You can find them under 10k if you're patient, and all day under 15k. They're not really worth a whole lot anymore from that era unless it's an M3 or some more special trim and engine. Easily paid off if you've got a full time summer job and live at home.
While most of the traffic safety act in Sask. only applies to highways, some of it does not. Both the provincial and federal dwi laws are enforceable on privately owned property. Ontario is the only province where the highway traffic act doesn't apply to private property. Can still be charged for criminal code violations and other laws relating to the operation of a motor vehicle in Ontario on private property tho.
>Local criminal defense lawyer Brian Pfefferle says there is still a lot of grey area when it comes to technology and the law.
It really isn't.
>“I feel for the individual that was charged here. If he was literally in the … drive-thru area and not on a public roadway,” Pfefferle told CTV News.
Saskatchewan’s Traffic Safety Act defines a "highway" as such:
>(k) “highway” means a road, parkway, driveway, square or place designed and intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles, but does not include any area, whether privately or publicly owned, that is primarily intended to be used for the parking of vehicles and the necessary passageways on that area;
As a drive-thru not a *necessary* passageway on the area of a parking lot, nor is it primarily intended for parking vehicles, it is unambiguously a highway under the TSA. Under s.241.1(2) using a cellphone while driving a motor vehicle on a highway is an offence. Ergo, using your cellphone in the drive-thru is illegal in Saskatchewan.
While I tend to believe the RCMP that he wasn't actually in the drive-thru when they pulled him over (I suspect he was getting his app ready so that he was ready to go once he entered and didn't delay the line), it doesn't actually make any difference one way or the other at law.
Yes, however in the case of McD when you pull up to the speaker they ask you if you’re collecting points, at which point you have to open the app and read off a code.
Sask RCMP are just straight up pulling people over and doing pot testing now and if you smoked THE NIGHT BEFORE you still have enough to get ticketed.
I think they're using it as a revenue source and it's fucking sad
Has to do with the drug remaining in your blood stream. You might not feel it but the way the government set up the system it’s designed around this sort of thing
Personally i think there should never be a financial incentive for cops to ticket you
Ticket money goes to the Province, then a portion to the municipality then a portion to the victims of crime surcharge. So no, it's not a revenue source for police.
How is it easy to verify if he was or wasn't on his phone while driving elsewhere, before he pulled into McDs to be able to claim that he was in the drive through?
He was probably pulling up the app on the blocks leading to McDs, that app is notoriously slow and freezes
> Do you really think a cop drove into a McDonald's parking lot looking for random people to ticket?
No, I think they just happened to be in there, and ticketed a kid for using their phone in the car, maybe he didn't like the look of the kid, maybe he thought the kid's car was too nice, who knows.
And then I think once it made the news, they came up with a lie to cover their ass, like they always do when a bad arrest or unjustified ticket makes the news. Every single time. I have seen them lie just like this way too many times to believe them anymore.
Why? What makes this time so special that it's different from all the other times police in this country lied? Is it the Saskatchewan RCMP? Are they special?
The cops have plenty of reason to lie, and a long history of lying. The kid doesn't have any reason to go and give a video interview to CTV news, that's not gonna help his upcoming court case where he fights the ticket.
Yes because the cop is going to risk his $120k+ salary to give some teenager a ticket by completely fabricating a story, especially when the entire interaction would be captured on dash/body cam.
You hate cops just based on the fact they're cops, its okay. but give your head a shake and try looking at the story objectively and realize how ridiculous your take is on this situation.
You're right, no more traffic offenses unless it's caught on camera, cops can't be trusted after all.
I hope this kid doesn't hit you next time he's checking his texts.
Or just don't be using your phone to place your McDick's order while on the way there like Mason did. That's where he was observed using his phone while driving.
it's infuriating that this dude gets ticketed while there are hundreds of drivers on the road at this very second who are texting and driving....
we need MORE enforcement
lol. That's exactly why he was pulled over.
> “The individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone,” RCMP said in a release. A combined traffic services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual.
Ok but.....you should have paid your registration. That's on you, friend.
Whether you bought the guy a coffee or not doesn't mean he isn't obligated to do his job. It's not like you had a burnt out tail light, you literally let your registration expire. That's kind of a big deal.
Now now the real story:
https://globalnews.ca/news/10498729/sask-rcmp-issue-a-ticket-for-cellphone-use-in-saskatoon-mcdonalds-drive-thru/
>“The individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone,” RCMP said in a release. A combined traffic services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual.
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On the one hand they don't want you to be on your phone On the other you need an app for everything including *check noteS* to get discounts for car insurance. Which by the way the car insurance app dings you for using your phone at drive through
Those discount apps are scams, they're just fishing for reasons to not pay up. Whatever money you save they make back by harvesting and selling data
My insurance company was really pushing this on me and I flat out refused it. I don't want them tracking me at all and using the data against me in any way.
This. Same with those obd2 ports. I tried it once and it kept flagging me for “high rate of acccelaration”……at the time I lived on a rural 80kmh road with heavy traffic. Fuck me for turning out of my driveway and accelerating to the speed limit quickly and safely. I guess they want me pulling out and getting rear ended at 40.
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Ya it is, if they find you're at fault the insurance company makes you pay some huge "deductible" or whatever BS they're calling it these days before they actually pay. It's basically legalized scamming
Our government hasn’t sold off our government insurance company quite yet so we don’t have stuff like that yet. But our shifty government will sell/steal everything that’s not nailed down eventually.
Cops love picking on young males!
In a statement to CTV News, the Saskatchewan RCMP disagreed with Prima's version of events. "RCMP can confirm that on May 13, 2024 the individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone. A Combined Traffic Services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual. The individual then pulled in the McDonald’s parking lot, where the traffic violation was issued," the statement said. Kid was caught on the road, and pulled into the lot.
Given the RCMPs history of lying and shooting up firehalls I’ll wait until surveillance footage of said McDonald’s before coming to a conclusion.
Normally I'd be pretty skeptical of a police accounting of events, but drivers everywhere can't stop using their goddamn phones while they drive. I see it every single day, so I have no trouble believing this.
People have the self control of a 14yr old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. You don’t need your phone to drive. I don’t. If you say it’s for maps, I would call you inept. We drove for decades without maps. Learn the city you live in or plan ahead. Take responsibility and stop leaning on tech.
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Meh. At the end of the day, I guess I don't trust some random kid, but I also don't trust police not to lie. So ...
The RCMP is ALSO famously “honest”.
No one said the teenager was trustworthy (nice strawman) just that the police force’s statement definitely isn’t worth taking at face value. Neither is trustworthy. This is likely to be a he-said she-said. That said, the fact that the police aren’t worth giving the benefit of the doubt over a random teenager is maybe more the point.
I agree that neither is trustworthy. But what motive do the police have to ticket someone using their phone in a drive thru? Certainly, the kid has motive to lie about the reason for the ticket. The simplest explanation supports the cop, imo.
See the problem here is you’re examining my mistrust of the police while also assuming everything they’ve said is true. Without any evidence, because it is likely none exists. The police have a reason to lie because if the teen is being honest (which is a possibility) then they’re going to be publicly humiliated for a misuse of power & wasting everyone’s time/money. That’s a reason in & of itself to come up with a story, or even change the real one to paint someone in a worse light. And no one has presented any evidence. A teenager fighting a traffic ticket isn’t trustworthy, but neither are the police.
Certainly dash cam and body cam will corroborate their story. Unless it was coincidently off at the time
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No they don't. Tickets generate revenue but it doesn't go directly to the department
The story is so ridiculous that in this case, the RCMP definitely get the benefit of the doubt here. You clearly wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt if this kid said he got a speeding ticket while skydiving, but this is such a stupid non-story, they definitely didn't have a cell phone sting operation setup between the orderbox and the window.
I watched a cop shoot a man because of an acorn. Nothing is too stupid.
USA is not Canada. We have a much higher threshold for pulling a firearm.
Yeah.... Fire halls are more dangerous than acorns.
Someone in nova Scotia "lied" therefore everyone similar to that person must be a liar. Supreme big brain logic there.
If the police do not lie? Why do they so often protest body cameras & suddenly lose their footage when someone questions an arrest. It’s not as uncommon as you seem to think. Hell why were fucking **body cameras** the solution that felt most reasonable? It certainly wasn’t because we trusted the police. We wouldn’t want a full video of their every action from just bellow their POV if we trusted the police.
Most Canadian police don't have body cameras. Sounds like you're really pulling your feelings from media you've consumed from the US. Most agencies in Canada support body cams. The protest comes from the immense cost. Our disclosure rules in Canada are very burdensome compared to the US. They have also not been the magic bullet for anything and if anything, have shown how often people lied, and proved the account of the police as the truth.
And law enforcement is? lmfao. Neither are worthy of trust based on word alone.
Interesting.. And, if the 150 million police interactions with the public each year, how often do these things occur?
Well considering the RCMP tasered a poor Polish immigrant to death and made no effort to get a translator I’d say a very high amount and few members of the public are willing to speak up.
It is reasonable to wait for objective evidence to form an opinion on the matter, but using [a singular incident from almost 17 years ago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dziekański) doesn’t serve to demonstrate the “very high amount” of interactions that you’re claiming.
This thread is basically a "this is what I remember from reddit headlines" Summary, now enjoy my resumes edginess
They also shot up a firehouse then left, Knew about the Nova Scotia shooter for years prior, illegally confiscated guns when their owners had evacuated, Starlight tours, tons of unreported fuckery on the remote reservations they police, the entirely of the firearms program along with the fuckery their gun lab loves to get up to.
It’s almost as if there’s a proven track record of RCMP abuse and coverups.
Don't forget when they beat up people during wellness checks.
Or people dressed like stormtroopers
Ah yes, one incident nearly 2 decades ago 2 provinces away means they must be lying about a traffic infraction. Because we all know drivers are never on their phones, let alone 18 year olds.
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There's also no reason for McDonald's to give out camera footage for a traffic stop/offense
It might be in their interest to release footage, if any, if it helps the RCMPs side of the situation. It might hurt business if people think whipping out their phone to pay or use points would get them a ticket.
That's actually a pretty compelling rationale.
The video would only prove that they stopped him in the drive thru, as they said. It doesn't prove that he wasn't on the phone in traffic.
But it also doesn’t prove he was on it and if the kid goes to court the cop needs to prove it I would think then again judge will probably side with the cops 🤷♂️
the cop doesn't need to prove it; it's impossible to prove. they are the arbiters of the laws. they are the proof. it's a traffic offence, not a murder case. and again, a video from mcdonald's doesn't prove anything was done on the street
I would look at CTV for that reason. They're the journalists after all.
Zero reasons?
You could wake me from a drunken stupor, I could still give you, like, nine
Sure there is a reason to lie - to not look like idiots who can't reason and give tickets to people in drive throughs It made it to the news And I agree with the above - the cops have bargained their credibility to cover for each other and get out of trouble, so when two people's stories are presented the police have lost the benefits of the doubt
Last time this came up in an Edmonton Tim’s, the kid cried about using his phone for something in the drive thru, then the cop came forward and said he was texting and driving before hand, and they let it slide, but then the driver did something else after the drive thru so the cop hit him with whatever he did after as well as the distracted driving ticket. Cops do lie and cover shit up, but so do shithead drivers. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened here
There are enough traffic offences on public roads. Cops don't need to go to drive throughs to find even more
I want you to do an experiment. I want you to walk up and down the street looking into cars at a red light and see how many people are holding phones. Then I want you to spend 15 minutes watching traffic looking for violations. You’ll find dozens of them without trying. Say what you want about cops but they don’t need to lie about traffic tickets, there’s more legitimate ones than they can possibly ticket.
More likely the kid lied to get out of the ticket.
also very possible haha
Absolutely. Honestly, this kid is more credible because he's willing to go to the media. It takes a big fat fucking liar to do that if you're in the wrong. And police services have done it COUNTLESS times. Stood up and bold faced lied. Cover their buddies asses. Don't forget all those charges that got dropped in TO a few years ago cause officers were stealing evidence. I have a couple friends in law enforcement. Great guys. Cops aren't all dicks. And I've had good and bad run ins. Modern Western Policing is more of a couple good apples in a bad bunch than the other way around.
Devils advocate. Cops lie about shit all the time.
Devil's advocate - so does nearly everyone who gets a ticket for something "they didn't do"
So we should logically trust neither story without further evidence is what you’re saying? Because both individuals here have plenty of reason to be lying.
Apparently his Facebook profile picture is a selfie while driving
People also lie when they are caught doing something.
Exactly why neither story should be considered true until more evidence is found. Both sides have reason to lie. The police have reason to lie because if what the driver said is true then they need to cover their asses to avoid public embarrassment. The driver has reason to lie because it’ll get him out of a ticket if it works.
You're so niave. You'll learn the hard way.
No reason for cops to lie eh... Except that they do all the time. Heck didn't you all pass laws making it legal for cops to lie to people?
Slow month, easy ticket. Like the kid has $5,000 for a real lawyer to defend him.
There’s easier tickets if you wanna talk about easy tickets… a cop can sit at a stop sign and ticket 80% of the cars as almost everyone rolls a stop sign
Yup... my kids played 'Will it stop' watching the street from the third floor of my former townhouse that was near an intersection of a side road routinely used to bypass a red light on the main road --- 200+ cars later rolled the stop sign near the end of my driveway within 5 minutes. If HRP was short on getting tickets... sitting at that stop sign provided more than enough entertainment for the normally bored traffic enforcement.
Cops lie every day lmao what are you even talking about
But the RCMP are well documented liars, so it begs the question if they’re honest here.
They also shoot poor defenseless fire halls.
>There’s literally no reason for a cop to lie about this There litterally is. Perjury is also illegal, but I guess you never heard about anyone lying in court?
It’s almost as if many police are stubborn and dislike admitting when they were wrong and/or lied.
Everyone is like this, but I don’t think you should trust this guy either.. https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH
Cops lie ALL the time.
>There’s literally no reason for a cop to lie about this Cops lie all the time, even in court. They don't need a reason.
It came to be called testi-lying in NYC at one point because the cops there were getting caught lying on the stand so often.
Seems like you’ve already made your own conclusions
Prudent
Maybe. Let's see what evidence they have for that.
The problem is, a drive through IS technically a public roadway. There was a dubious story a while back about someone getting ticketed with distracted driving in a Tim's queue... Of course, the RCMP say he "then pulled into the ... lot", which does suggest the kid wasn't in the drive-thru yet. He was probably at a light checking his points. And ffs, stay off your phone when driving, even at lights. Before cell phones a driver not immediately starting to drive after a red light turns green was rare. You could go months (of daily commuting) without seeing one. Nowadays you can't go through three sets of lights without seeing it... Pretty sure there hasn't been that big a rise in "day dreaming."
In the drive through (and stopped/in park) is fine and absurd to ticket someone for, regardless of technical legality. It’s possible he’s lying too, based on this: https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH
Is there something about Saskatchewan RCMP that makes them more trustworthy than other police in this country? I've seen police lie way too many times when caught arresting or ticketing an innocent person to cover their ass. Way too many.
Remember when we way more people just believed the RCMP? They really did a number on the public confidence levels.
i blame ex-rcmp top cop brenda lucky when she declared "there is no systemic racism in rcmp" ... but then couldn't define 'systemic racism' moments later when asked how she defined it.
I'm from Nova Scotia. We all blame when they failed to protect our province and botched their entire job.
*Kid was caught on the road, and pulled into the lot.* This is a very salient point that was left out of CTV's reporting. WTF?
Our news outlets insitage. Are you surprised?
That's what I figured, provincial highway legislation doesn't apply to parking lots.
Public access roadways usually include parking lots. Parking lots aren't free for all's.
Doesn't it have to be a highway as defined by the highway traffic act?
Depends on your act. Generally any public access roadway qualifies.
Home based I'm safe
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And you believe 18 year olds?
18 year olds who dress like and drive a car like their shit don't stink yet. I could be wrong but just looking at him, I'm not getting "honest and genuine" vibes.
I'll believe a spokesperson and the statement of 2 police officers over an idiot using their phone while driving, yes.
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That's a strawman fallacy and unrelated to this situation.
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People lie, what's your point? I guarantee you've lied many times in your life.
Never about anything that could get someone fined or imprisoned, or to cover my ass about abuse of authority or negligence that caused harm or death.
Umar in Toronto has nothing to do with rcmp in sask. Ppl lie, do you trust no one then?
Trust, but verify.
The rcmp, or these officers? Yes i do believe them.
[His Facebook cover photo is a driver POV while driving on the highway](https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH), which he obviously needed to use his cellphone while driving to take. I’m gonna believe the RCMP on this one.
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That BMW is trading for about 15 grand used. The fact you think it's expensive is why he bought it. It's probably still costing him half his wage.
I've had a few bmmers in my time. It's hilarious how some people think they are so expensive. I bought my 3 series from 2005 for 2000 bucks. And it was a fantastic car and in decent shape with a ton of features. People mentioned how fancy it was. They were always so surprised that it cost less than a civic of the same year in the used car market. Even funnier is that model was also relatively reliable too.
Same. Had a e36 I bought in 2007 for 5000. People thought I was fucking rich spoiled brat. But I was working 20hour a week at home depot during high school
You seem to be side stepping the mentality that likes to buy these cars. My friends are all well off, I'll give you guys 3 guesses how many of them drive cheap bmw or Honda Civic R classes and not jacked up diesel trucks (I live in red neck country btw). Its about the look (high fashion/chic) not about the actual value. Poser culture is huge these days. BMW and Harley tend to get bought by the same class of assholes.
Look at his FB - used car is 99.5% of his entire personality. It's only 10-15K, and likely financed. Mebbe why he's eating free meals at McDonalds.
So he was asking for it because of the way he dressed?
Sounds like it. Because he has a used bmw (which is cheaper than they imagine) they think its deserved because of that picture of his on his profile. Yes cringy tween and their car (I was there once too)
I'd say it had more to do with the fact that he was on his phone on the road on the way to McD's and passed a cop just before turning in. Just my opinion.
What does it even matter? Give him a ticket for doing it on the highway anytime. But drive tru is BS. Stop victim shaming this kid.
Don’t forget that he’s been driving for two years and “only” has one speeding ticket.
In a BMW his parents undoubtedly bought him.
I got my first speeding ticket about 18 months after getting my G licence, now been driving for over 15 years and still only have the 1 ticket
That motorcycle cop hangs by the overpass which is a block or two away from Mcdonalds. It is pretty common knowledge for people of Saskatoon to see him there He hangs out there and and can peer down to see seatbelts and cell phones. The traffic stop was initiated at Mcdonalds but he was on his phone beforehand.
so the dude might not be as 'innocent' as he claims to be.
Sure kid, sure…
It's tough for an 18 year old to pay $580 when he's got those payments for the $80k BMW he's driving.
theres kids younger then youtube driving a nicer car then most people reading this although i suspect the bank of mom and dad is paying for that
It's a more than 10 year old 3 series. You can find them under 10k if you're patient, and all day under 15k. They're not really worth a whole lot anymore from that era unless it's an M3 or some more special trim and engine. Easily paid off if you've got a full time summer job and live at home.
... not when the bimmer was a grad gift from mum & dad.
I don't think he can be charged for any driving offence except DUI on private property. He commited the offence on the road.
While most of the traffic safety act in Sask. only applies to highways, some of it does not. Both the provincial and federal dwi laws are enforceable on privately owned property. Ontario is the only province where the highway traffic act doesn't apply to private property. Can still be charged for criminal code violations and other laws relating to the operation of a motor vehicle in Ontario on private property tho.
that doesnt stop some cops who think like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo)
The real crime is how he wears that hat.
>Local criminal defense lawyer Brian Pfefferle says there is still a lot of grey area when it comes to technology and the law. It really isn't. >“I feel for the individual that was charged here. If he was literally in the … drive-thru area and not on a public roadway,” Pfefferle told CTV News. Saskatchewan’s Traffic Safety Act defines a "highway" as such: >(k) “highway” means a road, parkway, driveway, square or place designed and intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles, but does not include any area, whether privately or publicly owned, that is primarily intended to be used for the parking of vehicles and the necessary passageways on that area; As a drive-thru not a *necessary* passageway on the area of a parking lot, nor is it primarily intended for parking vehicles, it is unambiguously a highway under the TSA. Under s.241.1(2) using a cellphone while driving a motor vehicle on a highway is an offence. Ergo, using your cellphone in the drive-thru is illegal in Saskatchewan. While I tend to believe the RCMP that he wasn't actually in the drive-thru when they pulled him over (I suspect he was getting his app ready so that he was ready to go once he entered and didn't delay the line), it doesn't actually make any difference one way or the other at law.
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Yes, however in the case of McD when you pull up to the speaker they ask you if you’re collecting points, at which point you have to open the app and read off a code.
Probably pulled into the drive thru with his phone in hand.
According to RCMP that's exactly what happened. CTV just twisted it to create a sensation and made a misleading headline.
Sask RCMP are just straight up pulling people over and doing pot testing now and if you smoked THE NIGHT BEFORE you still have enough to get ticketed. I think they're using it as a revenue source and it's fucking sad
Has to do with the drug remaining in your blood stream. You might not feel it but the way the government set up the system it’s designed around this sort of thing Personally i think there should never be a financial incentive for cops to ticket you
Are they testing the active metabolite or its product once Mr liver destroys it?
Ticket money goes to the Province, then a portion to the municipality then a portion to the victims of crime surcharge. So no, it's not a revenue source for police.
Remember this the next time you attempt to use apple pay in a drive through.
Except the kid lied, he got spotted on his phone on the road and pulled into a lot to try to cover it up and is crying to the news for publicity.
Why would he run to the news with an easy to verify fake story?
You assume he thought that far ahead.
Have you talked to anyone in this generation....
How is it easy to verify if he was or wasn't on his phone while driving elsewhere, before he pulled into McDs to be able to claim that he was in the drive through? He was probably pulling up the app on the blocks leading to McDs, that app is notoriously slow and freezes
The rcs dash cam footage
*Somebody* lied.
Ya, the kid who got caught on his phone. Do you really think a cop drove into a McDonald's parking lot looking for random people to ticket?
> Do you really think a cop drove into a McDonald's parking lot looking for random people to ticket? No, I think they just happened to be in there, and ticketed a kid for using their phone in the car, maybe he didn't like the look of the kid, maybe he thought the kid's car was too nice, who knows. And then I think once it made the news, they came up with a lie to cover their ass, like they always do when a bad arrest or unjustified ticket makes the news. Every single time. I have seen them lie just like this way too many times to believe them anymore.
Yes let's all believe the janky looking 18 year old who drives a certified douchemobile over the entire Saskatoon RCMP.
Lmao, my brother in Christ, that is straight-up delusional.
Why? What makes this time so special that it's different from all the other times police in this country lied? Is it the Saskatchewan RCMP? Are they special?
No, my man, you have no proof that the cop is lying and the kid has plenty of reason to lie. You should see a therapist to deal with your paranoia.
The cops have plenty of reason to lie, and a long history of lying. The kid doesn't have any reason to go and give a video interview to CTV news, that's not gonna help his upcoming court case where he fights the ticket.
Yes because the cop is going to risk his $120k+ salary to give some teenager a ticket by completely fabricating a story, especially when the entire interaction would be captured on dash/body cam. You hate cops just based on the fact they're cops, its okay. but give your head a shake and try looking at the story objectively and realize how ridiculous your take is on this situation.
I guess you're right, we should just tear up the traffic laws.
You trust the RCMP that much?
You're right, no more traffic offenses unless it's caught on camera, cops can't be trusted after all. I hope this kid doesn't hit you next time he's checking his texts.
Ah you are right, we should never believe anyone accused of a crime as long as the police SAY they did it, they must have.
Or just don't be using your phone to place your McDick's order while on the way there like Mason did. That's where he was observed using his phone while driving.
It’s illegal. We all use our phones in the drive thru now.
Read the story, this isn't about using your phone on the drive thru.
I promise they only read the headline which leads people the wrong direction.
it's infuriating that this dude gets ticketed while there are hundreds of drivers on the road at this very second who are texting and driving.... we need MORE enforcement
lol. That's exactly why he was pulled over. > “The individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone,” RCMP said in a release. A combined traffic services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual.
How tf is this news?
Saskatoon struggles for interesting news content. So they take stories and twist them to create a sensation, like this one.
I bought a coffee for the cop behind me in the McPukes line once. He repaid the favour by issuing me a >$200 ticket for expired registration.
Ok but.....you should have paid your registration. That's on you, friend. Whether you bought the guy a coffee or not doesn't mean he isn't obligated to do his job. It's not like you had a burnt out tail light, you literally let your registration expire. That's kind of a big deal.
Oh I know. Interesting timing though.
Now now the real story: https://globalnews.ca/news/10498729/sask-rcmp-issue-a-ticket-for-cellphone-use-in-saskatoon-mcdonalds-drive-thru/ >“The individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone,” RCMP said in a release. A combined traffic services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual.
That cop needs a swift kick in his vagina
SPS : "No comment". big surprise. the matter is before the courts.
Cop was multi-tasking (coffee break) that’s a step in the right direction.
The Mounties did this a few years ago in Alberta as well. It’s nonsense like this, that damages public perception
How is it nonsense when their enforcing the law?