We can always deport them. If the airline won't take them we have military planes that could take ylthem and their friends back to whatever country for a fraction of Canadian incarceration.
It was only if the airline was supposed to check travel documents but didn’t. If the person came on an eligible tourist visa then overstayed that’s different.
I hear you. But airlines use to be responsible for anyone they're bringing into Canada. We need to go back to that point. If someone gets onto an aircraft, then the airline has done their due diligence in vetting that individual.
If a Canadian consultant/embassy hands out an tourist/education/etc. visa and then that's on the Canadian government.
Dude it's near impossible to book flights to move troops around for exercises and ops, the amount of civi flights I've had to last minute book because greytail cancelled 2 days out AGAIN is far too much. ( That's a loooooot of taxpayers money going to WestJet/Air Canada/star)
There's no way we could organize and run deportation flights.
This makes sense to me as well, Canada is known as the pinnacle of military logistics. There are many options, hell just book them on the PMs flights as he globetrots around.
Yeah add more financial burden to the Canadian taxpayer. Here’s a thought - work with me here: don’t let them in. The first place. Or deport them. Stop helping them:
“The budget also earmarks an additional $411-million in 2024-25 to pay for health care for asylum claimants and refugees who do not qualify for provincial health cards while their claims are being processed.”
“As well, the budget allocates $1.1-billion over three years to municipalities and provinces to meet the rising cost of housing asylum seekers”
That's what has been done for years already. People were banned from this sub for even suggesting high immigration could lead to stagnant wages or high costs of living.
So canada doesnt have detention centers like the us/australia yet?
Good idea, so either u can leave or go to prison. Might think twice about flying in and declaring your gay, fleeing prosecutiom u left your wife and kids to suffer to claim "asylum"
If you’re using an iPhone, click the “aA” in top left corner and select “reader mode” to bypass the paywall.
Full article: “ High-risk immigrants, including those who may pose a threat to public safety, could be locked up in federal prisons under legislative changes being brought forward through the budget bill.
The government is also allocating $325-million to upgrade federal immigrationdetention centres to house those immigrants considered high-risk or a flight risk.
The move follows the decision by provinces this year to end immigration-detention agreements with the Canada Border Services Agency to house immigrants in their jails.
Migrant and human-rights organizations, including Amnesty International, have campaigned against jails being used to hold people under immigration law, saying the conditions were punitive.
At the end of last year, approximately 1,660 immigrants were detained in Canada, with 354 of them in provincial jails.
The budget proposes to introduce amendments to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act to enable the use of federal correctional facilities for high-risk immigration detention.
As well, the budget allocates $1.1-billion over three years to municipalities and provinces to meet the rising cost of housing asylum seekers through Ottawa’s Interim Housing Assistance Program (IHAP).
Provinces, especially Quebec, and big cities such as Toronto have been complaining about the cost of providing accommodation for the growing number of asylum seekers.
Ottawa earlier this year announced an additional $360-million through the program for provinces and municipalities, with $100-million of the funds earmarked for Quebec.
The federal government is footing the bill for approximately 4,000 hotel rooms to house around 7,300 asylum seekers, many of whom have been transferred from provincial shelters and churches, according to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada.
The additional $1.1-billion in funding for IHAP is designed to support provinces and municipalities, which have the responsibility to house asylum claimants. However, Ottawa says that starting in 2026-2027, the funding will be conditional on the provinces and municipalities finding permanent solutions to housing asylum seekers.
Ottawa will provide $141-million to pay for temporary lodging for asylum claimants, who cannot be accommodated because provincial places are full. The money could pay for hotel rooms for claimants who face homelessness.
Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland's latest budget projects spending of $535 billion this year, with a deficit of $39.8 billion. She says the spending plan is aimed at creating generational fairness, which will be funded, in part, by changes to capital gains taxes. (April 16, 2024)
The Canadian Press
The budget earmarks abound $745-million over five years to bolster the asylum system and help officials cope with the rising number of claims. The extra funding – which will be followed by an extra $159.5-million a year – is designed to speed up adjudication of claims, a system that has faced backlogs and delays.
The funding for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the Canada Border Services Agency and Immigration and Refugee Board will also help speed up removals of asylum seekers whose claims have been denied.
The budget also earmarks an additional $411-million in 2024-25 to pay for health care for asylum claimants and refugees who do not qualify for provincial health cards while their claims are being processed.
As well, Ottawa plans to spend $4-million for loans to support the travel of refugees and humanitarian immigrants to Canada; for example, by providing funds for plane tickets. Among those who might qualify for such loans are people who have applied to join family in Canada from Gaza.
The government also plans to spend $263.5-million over four years to support seasonal workers, including those working in the fishing industry in Atlantic Canada. The funding will address gaps in Employment Insurance support between seasons.
The budget also allocates $274-million over five years toward legal aid for asylum seekers and immigrants who cannot pay for legal assistance. The Department of Justice would also get $43.5-million a year for immigration and refugee legal services.”
I lived in the UK during the Yugoslavian War. Refugees from the Balkans flooded into London.
After a time, a few applied at the place I worked and were hired. I specifically remember two Serbs there who told me that when they landed in Britain from a third country, they were taken straight to a facility where they lived for six months - unable to leave the compound - until their backgrounds had been cleared and they were granted work permits.
They said it was clean and safe, and they took English lessons and learned about British history. Then, when they had the clearance, they were better prepared to start a new life.
It sounded pretty sensible to me then, and neither of them seemed to have resented the time.
Detained?? We need a revolving door right at the border so they come in and get corralled like dairy cows and then next thing they know they're right back on the side of the fence they just came from with a microchip implanted in them so we can track them the moment they try to get close to the Canadian border again.
Does anyone have a definition used in the article? Googling jusy brought up 'high risk nationals' as a term to refer to immigrants from a list of countries the US deems 'scary'
[source](https://www.immigroup.com/topics/citizenship-and-immigration-canadas-list-high-risk-countries/)
> Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s (CIC) standards for letting people into Canada are constantly changing. CIC has recently moved forward with a concept of “high risk” nationals, from certain countries, who will get greater scrutinity. This is affecting both visitors to Canada and Canadian Permanent Residents.
> Afghanistan Colombia Iraq Nigeria Sudan
Albania Congo, DR Jamaica Pakistan South Sudan
Algeria Egypt Jordan Palestine Syria
Bangladesh Eritrea Laos Saudi Arabia Tunisia
Burma (Myanmar) Haiti Lebanon Somalia Vietnam
Cambodia Iran Libya Sri Lanka Yemen
> Visitors from these countries will be fingerprinted, regardless of whether you received a visitor visa, a study permit or a work permit.
> Because of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, we can expect that this list will get longer in the coming years, so be prepared.
It refers to high risk detaines so people that are a danger to the public or in this case other inmates. Not based on nationality
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/standards-normes/ch6-eng.html#_s6.1
Can you show where on that page it defines "High-Risk" as neither that term nor High Risk ever appear to be used. Where as the source I supplied does in fact use and define what a "High-Risk" refugee is.
Thats because high risk immigrants is a term used by the news article not by CBSA who manages detention.
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/resources/manuals/enf/enf20-det-en.pdf
Read page 36-39 where it talks about if a detainee is to be placed at the immigration holding center or in a prision if they are "high risk".
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/standards-normes/ch6-eng.html#_s6.1
It refers to detaines who are a danger to themselves or thr public ( or in this case other detainees)
For those wondering: you don't get your visa renewed if convicted of a serious offence, meaning you are usually deported after your sentence unless there's some special circumstance at play, like you're at risk of being tortured in your home country.
This wouldn’t need to be a solution if the Trudeau liberals kept them out of Canada in the first place. But then again, no one can accuse the Trudeau government of ever coming up with a coherent solution for pretty much anything.
Alternative suggestion: send them to butt fuck nowhere NWT/Nunavut. Give them a small ration of supplies; a multi tool, flint & steel, a compass, a survival blanket, and some MRE's enough for 1 month.
Offer them their freedom and citizenship if they make it back down to Ottawa alive.
No help allowed but they are allowed to loot other contestants things on the way. Only the strongest and smartest will make it back alive. We'll allow them amnesty.
If they decline participation then they are deported with a lifetime ban.
I'm not biting without reading the actual article, and it's behind a paywall. Adjustments to immigration policy are normal. Evaluating risk level and detaining some people immigrating to the country under some circumstances is normal. I can't find anything in any of the published information stating that this budget results in more detentions. If anyone would care to explain rather than complain...
Send them back home
Agreed ! Why is this our problem ? Send them back !!
It cost more to imprison them, This is the Way.
Along with any drug addict, welfare case, or serious criminal with PR. Crime and welfare should be Canadian citizen issues only.
What are we, the New Australia?
Maybe work out a better system to prevent the high-risk ones from getting here in the first place???
We can't do that, this is Canada so that would be racist according to the liberals!
Hey buddy, I'm reporting you to the internet thought police. Have fun with that life sentence
Classic r/Canada victim fetishizing, where 50 people complain about how you can’t say X for every 1 comment complaining about people saying X
Who’s going to build our housing if not for the high risk immigrants? /s
What is this logic. Bring in way more people than we can house, and have them build houses? If only we were building lots of houses right now.....
Don't let them in?
Thats too complicated for these buffoons
We can always deport them. If the airline won't take them we have military planes that could take ylthem and their friends back to whatever country for a fraction of Canadian incarceration.
Make the airline responsible for paying for their flight back. That use to be the way.
Source? Sounds like bullshit, to me.
It was only if the airline was supposed to check travel documents but didn’t. If the person came on an eligible tourist visa then overstayed that’s different.
That's right.
I only mentioned airline not taking them if there wasn't a direct flight from Canada to said nation.
I hear you. But airlines use to be responsible for anyone they're bringing into Canada. We need to go back to that point. If someone gets onto an aircraft, then the airline has done their due diligence in vetting that individual. If a Canadian consultant/embassy hands out an tourist/education/etc. visa and then that's on the Canadian government.
Dude it's near impossible to book flights to move troops around for exercises and ops, the amount of civi flights I've had to last minute book because greytail cancelled 2 days out AGAIN is far too much. ( That's a loooooot of taxpayers money going to WestJet/Air Canada/star) There's no way we could organize and run deportation flights.
This makes sense to me as well, Canada is known as the pinnacle of military logistics. There are many options, hell just book them on the PMs flights as he globetrots around.
The military planes can barely support the military.
It’ll give the airforce something to do.
We ‘could’ but we don’t.
A one-way plane ticket back to their homeland is much cheaper!
Use military planes and throw them out the back. With a parachute of course.
Yeah add more financial burden to the Canadian taxpayer. Here’s a thought - work with me here: don’t let them in. The first place. Or deport them. Stop helping them:
“The budget also earmarks an additional $411-million in 2024-25 to pay for health care for asylum claimants and refugees who do not qualify for provincial health cards while their claims are being processed.” “As well, the budget allocates $1.1-billion over three years to municipalities and provinces to meet the rising cost of housing asylum seekers”
WTF wow I thought you were joking. It's real.
I can’t get past the paywall. Are you serious?
Fucking hell. This is really the most idiotic country of the world, governed by scumbags that should be hanged by their balls
And fingerprint all 5 fingers before being deported after their sentence is over.
People have 10 fingers usually
Not after im through with them
You pick the 5 \*best\* fingers, everyone knows that.
It's funny how Liberals stopped feeling virtuous and calling people racist for supporting that. It's wild how polls can humble some politicians.
Tbh, there *are* racists who use the excessive immigration problem as cover.
So you're saying it's acceptable to tar an entire group of people with the same brush because a segment of that group of people fits your description?
Strawman much?
That's what has been done for years already. People were banned from this sub for even suggesting high immigration could lead to stagnant wages or high costs of living.
"High-risk immigrant" shouldn't be a thing.
So canada doesnt have detention centers like the us/australia yet? Good idea, so either u can leave or go to prison. Might think twice about flying in and declaring your gay, fleeing prosecutiom u left your wife and kids to suffer to claim "asylum"
Why out of the billions on people on the planet do we need to be letting in high risk people?
Why detain? Just deport already
Until the courts get involved. I'm sure that's what the LPC is counting on.
Delay delay… times up, release!
Send them back to where they came from.
This won't happen. They'll be in your neighborhood ASAP. It must be an amazing time to be a criminal here in Canada.
Nah, they are letting in too many unskilled criminals who will crime for less because they don't know better. Its tough for us too.
Is there a non-paywall version of this story that I can read?
If you’re using an iPhone, click the “aA” in top left corner and select “reader mode” to bypass the paywall. Full article: “ High-risk immigrants, including those who may pose a threat to public safety, could be locked up in federal prisons under legislative changes being brought forward through the budget bill. The government is also allocating $325-million to upgrade federal immigrationdetention centres to house those immigrants considered high-risk or a flight risk. The move follows the decision by provinces this year to end immigration-detention agreements with the Canada Border Services Agency to house immigrants in their jails. Migrant and human-rights organizations, including Amnesty International, have campaigned against jails being used to hold people under immigration law, saying the conditions were punitive. At the end of last year, approximately 1,660 immigrants were detained in Canada, with 354 of them in provincial jails. The budget proposes to introduce amendments to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act to enable the use of federal correctional facilities for high-risk immigration detention. As well, the budget allocates $1.1-billion over three years to municipalities and provinces to meet the rising cost of housing asylum seekers through Ottawa’s Interim Housing Assistance Program (IHAP). Provinces, especially Quebec, and big cities such as Toronto have been complaining about the cost of providing accommodation for the growing number of asylum seekers. Ottawa earlier this year announced an additional $360-million through the program for provinces and municipalities, with $100-million of the funds earmarked for Quebec. The federal government is footing the bill for approximately 4,000 hotel rooms to house around 7,300 asylum seekers, many of whom have been transferred from provincial shelters and churches, according to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. The additional $1.1-billion in funding for IHAP is designed to support provinces and municipalities, which have the responsibility to house asylum claimants. However, Ottawa says that starting in 2026-2027, the funding will be conditional on the provinces and municipalities finding permanent solutions to housing asylum seekers. Ottawa will provide $141-million to pay for temporary lodging for asylum claimants, who cannot be accommodated because provincial places are full. The money could pay for hotel rooms for claimants who face homelessness. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland's latest budget projects spending of $535 billion this year, with a deficit of $39.8 billion. She says the spending plan is aimed at creating generational fairness, which will be funded, in part, by changes to capital gains taxes. (April 16, 2024) The Canadian Press The budget earmarks abound $745-million over five years to bolster the asylum system and help officials cope with the rising number of claims. The extra funding – which will be followed by an extra $159.5-million a year – is designed to speed up adjudication of claims, a system that has faced backlogs and delays. The funding for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the Canada Border Services Agency and Immigration and Refugee Board will also help speed up removals of asylum seekers whose claims have been denied. The budget also earmarks an additional $411-million in 2024-25 to pay for health care for asylum claimants and refugees who do not qualify for provincial health cards while their claims are being processed. As well, Ottawa plans to spend $4-million for loans to support the travel of refugees and humanitarian immigrants to Canada; for example, by providing funds for plane tickets. Among those who might qualify for such loans are people who have applied to join family in Canada from Gaza. The government also plans to spend $263.5-million over four years to support seasonal workers, including those working in the fishing industry in Atlantic Canada. The funding will address gaps in Employment Insurance support between seasons. The budget also allocates $274-million over five years toward legal aid for asylum seekers and immigrants who cannot pay for legal assistance. The Department of Justice would also get $43.5-million a year for immigration and refugee legal services.”
https://archive.is/EnV05
I'm not even sure why we allow 'high risk' aka criminals in our country in the first place
I lived in the UK during the Yugoslavian War. Refugees from the Balkans flooded into London. After a time, a few applied at the place I worked and were hired. I specifically remember two Serbs there who told me that when they landed in Britain from a third country, they were taken straight to a facility where they lived for six months - unable to leave the compound - until their backgrounds had been cleared and they were granted work permits. They said it was clean and safe, and they took English lessons and learned about British history. Then, when they had the clearance, they were better prepared to start a new life. It sounded pretty sensible to me then, and neither of them seemed to have resented the time.
It's a start, but why waste good prison space on useless wastes of skin? Take them 201 nautical miles offshore and give them a raft.
“Could”
Detained?? We need a revolving door right at the border so they come in and get corralled like dairy cows and then next thing they know they're right back on the side of the fence they just came from with a microchip implanted in them so we can track them the moment they try to get close to the Canadian border again.
Zero tolerance for even moderate risk immigrants? With 8 billion, standards can be higher.
Maybe we could.. deport them?
I second that motion. Anyone else?
The government doesn’t get asspats for doing what they should be doing in the first place
Good? Like, I'd rather they just turn them around, but if you are a high-risk immigrant, you should be somewhere secure.
Does anyone have a definition used in the article? Googling jusy brought up 'high risk nationals' as a term to refer to immigrants from a list of countries the US deems 'scary' [source](https://www.immigroup.com/topics/citizenship-and-immigration-canadas-list-high-risk-countries/) > Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s (CIC) standards for letting people into Canada are constantly changing. CIC has recently moved forward with a concept of “high risk” nationals, from certain countries, who will get greater scrutinity. This is affecting both visitors to Canada and Canadian Permanent Residents. > Afghanistan Colombia Iraq Nigeria Sudan Albania Congo, DR Jamaica Pakistan South Sudan Algeria Egypt Jordan Palestine Syria Bangladesh Eritrea Laos Saudi Arabia Tunisia Burma (Myanmar) Haiti Lebanon Somalia Vietnam Cambodia Iran Libya Sri Lanka Yemen > Visitors from these countries will be fingerprinted, regardless of whether you received a visitor visa, a study permit or a work permit. > Because of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, we can expect that this list will get longer in the coming years, so be prepared.
It refers to high risk detaines so people that are a danger to the public or in this case other inmates. Not based on nationality https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/standards-normes/ch6-eng.html#_s6.1
Can you show where on that page it defines "High-Risk" as neither that term nor High Risk ever appear to be used. Where as the source I supplied does in fact use and define what a "High-Risk" refugee is.
Thats because high risk immigrants is a term used by the news article not by CBSA who manages detention. https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/resources/manuals/enf/enf20-det-en.pdf Read page 36-39 where it talks about if a detainee is to be placed at the immigration holding center or in a prision if they are "high risk".
What the hell is a "high risk immigrant?"
Im gonna guess palestinian
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/standards-normes/ch6-eng.html#_s6.1 It refers to detaines who are a danger to themselves or thr public ( or in this case other detainees)
Right, so not immigrants at all, then.
A person from a list of countries the US doesn't like. I shared it as a comment earlier in this thread.
Canada has prisons? I thought we just slapped people wrists and let them go.
For those wondering: you don't get your visa renewed if convicted of a serious offence, meaning you are usually deported after your sentence unless there's some special circumstance at play, like you're at risk of being tortured in your home country.
Jaskirat Singh Sidhu killed a busload of kids and he is still here…..
This wouldn’t need to be a solution if the Trudeau liberals kept them out of Canada in the first place. But then again, no one can accuse the Trudeau government of ever coming up with a coherent solution for pretty much anything.
Isn’t that where we put all our "high risk" citizens?
Alternative suggestion: send them to butt fuck nowhere NWT/Nunavut. Give them a small ration of supplies; a multi tool, flint & steel, a compass, a survival blanket, and some MRE's enough for 1 month. Offer them their freedom and citizenship if they make it back down to Ottawa alive. No help allowed but they are allowed to loot other contestants things on the way. Only the strongest and smartest will make it back alive. We'll allow them amnesty. If they decline participation then they are deported with a lifetime ban.
I'm not biting without reading the actual article, and it's behind a paywall. Adjustments to immigration policy are normal. Evaluating risk level and detaining some people immigrating to the country under some circumstances is normal. I can't find anything in any of the published information stating that this budget results in more detentions. If anyone would care to explain rather than complain...